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Speaker 3: not cover Donald Trump's now apparently current decision to reschedule

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Speaker 3: marijuana from one to three. He confirmed it recently in

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Speaker 3: a press conference.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a lesson.

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Speaker 4: There is reporting that the administration is going to reclassify marijuana.

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Speaker 5: With that send mixed messages that if marijuana's okay, drugs

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Speaker 5: are some drugs are.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but we're trying to clean up crime.

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Speaker 5: How do they go hand in hand.

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Speaker 6: We're only looking at that. That's early, but you know,

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Speaker 6: somebody reported it which is fine. We're looking at it.

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Speaker 6: Some people like it, some people hate it. Some people

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Speaker 6: hate the whole concept of marijuana because if it does

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Speaker 6: bad for the children, it does bad for people that

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Speaker 6: are older than children. But we're looking at reclassification and

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Speaker 6: we'll make a determination over the next i would say,

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Speaker 6: over the next few weeks, and that determination hopefully will

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Speaker 6: be the right. One very complicated subject, that is, you know,

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Speaker 6: the subject of marijuana. I've heard great things having to

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Speaker 6: do with medical, and I've had bad things having to

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Speaker 6: do with just about everything else but medical. And you know,

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Speaker 6: for pain and various things, I've heard some pretty good things,

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Speaker 6: but for other things, I've heard some pretty bad things.

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Speaker 3: Now you may be wondering who he's been hearing these

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Speaker 3: great things from, and the answer would be the big

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Speaker 3: pot companies, which are massively lobbying him to reschedule marijuana.

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Speaker 1: So let's all talk about the issue, shall we. Look,

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Speaker 1: I know everybody hears show.

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Speaker 7: We don't have a choice.

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Speaker 3: People may know my views, but just stick with me.

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Speaker 3: At the very least, let's go and put what is

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Speaker 3: it the next element? Please up on the screen. This

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Speaker 3: is from the Wall Street report about reclassifying marijuana as dangerous.

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Speaker 1: Quote. This is how this has all come about. Just

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Speaker 1: so people understand.

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Speaker 3: At a one million dollars a plate fundraiser earlier this month,

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Speaker 3: Trump told attendees he was interested in such a change.

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Speaker 1: Why.

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Speaker 3: Well, the guests included the chief executive of one of

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Speaker 3: the largest marijuana companies in America, who is encouraging Trump

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Speaker 3: to pursue the change and quote expand medical marijuana research.

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Speaker 1: Apparently.

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Speaker 3: Other executives there were the CEO of Pfizer, of Crypto,

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Speaker 3: you may be asking, you know, why would the pharma

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Speaker 3: and these companies, why do they care so much? It's

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Speaker 3: just about the research. No, it's none of it has

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Speaker 3: Schedule one status as it is right now, it means

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Speaker 3: they don't have as much access to the legitimate banking

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Speaker 3: system as they would like. So this is pure pay

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Speaker 3: for play corruption. They don't care one iota about quote

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Speaker 3: studying weed millions of people use weed every single day.

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Speaker 3: We know everything we need to know, and I will

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Speaker 3: is entirely about expanding access to the banking system and

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Speaker 3: turning the marijuana companies of today, which are already massive,

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Speaker 3: A lah big tobacco this time around is the exact

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Speaker 3: same playbook you have capture every single one of these

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Speaker 3: licensed pot shops and all these that are springing up

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Speaker 3: venture capital, from big pharma, and from others, and the

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Speaker 3: amount of daily use has now surpassed alcohol. In the

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Speaker 3: your THC soda unregulated by the way, THHC lollipop THHC

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Speaker 3: getting high on a daily basis. None of it factors

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Speaker 3: in any of the proven deleterious effects of daily marijuana

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Speaker 3: use or marijuana use in general.

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Speaker 7: So I'm just.

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Speaker 3: Laying it all out here in terms of this is

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Speaker 3: a corrupt deal because the pot companies are bribing a

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Speaker 3: bunch of conservative influencers to talk about rescheduling and research.

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Speaker 3: They are going after the Trump administration because they think

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Speaker 3: that this is this will expand their access to the

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Speaker 3: banking system. And again, even if you use weed, I

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Speaker 3: genuinely ask everybody to ask whether it is acceptable that

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Speaker 3: right now you have daily use which is not in

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Speaker 3: any way treated the way that we look at somebody

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Speaker 3: who's anybody who smokes cigarettes every day. They know that

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Speaker 3: they're massively increasing their risk of cancer, and all of

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Speaker 3: us socially are like, yeah, come on, man, what are

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Speaker 3: we doing here? Say if you drink every day, you're

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Speaker 3: a fucking alcoholic. Okay, you are an alcoholic. If you

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Speaker 3: drink every single day, everybody knows that if you.

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Speaker 1: Smoke weed, it's chill. There's no problems, there's no addiction.

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Speaker 3: It's like this, there's no social stigma on public weed use,

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Speaker 1: Everybody is just acting.

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Speaker 3: Like there's no health risks or any of that whatsoever.

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Speaker 3: And these pod companies don't have come anywhere close to

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Speaker 3: the level of scrutiny that alcohol and tobacco companies.

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Speaker 1: And everyone's like, oh, what about alcoholic?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, tax them, you know, did you know alcohol taxes

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Speaker 3: are down fifty percent from the nineteen eighties. They should

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Speaker 3: be way higher. Alcoholic should be way more expensive. It's

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Speaker 3: horrible for you. I don't drink alcohol. There's a reason

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Speaker 3: for it. This is the problem, though, is that socially

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Speaker 3: There's in fact, doctors have had to invent new names

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Speaker 3: for the problems. When teenagers in particular use extremely high

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Speaker 3: levels of THHC and then it causes vomiting.

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Speaker 1: You can end up in the hospital.

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Speaker 3: It actually gets stored in your fat cells. It's craziness.

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Speaker 3: And this happens to you know, to babies as well,

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Speaker 3: from mothers who use cannabis their favorite word instead of

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Speaker 3: weed for their while they're pregnant.

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Speaker 1: And it's the same thing.

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Speaker 3: Everybody knows about fetal alcohol syndrome, but cannabis, Oh, it's

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Speaker 3: got health properties or anything. Because one person with glycoma

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Speaker 3: is using it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, that's the end of my ram's.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you were like Woody, like I can just keep

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Speaker 7: it all.

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Speaker 1: You can't come on, ye.

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Speaker 8: So, but I actually had a question you were You

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Speaker 8: were saying that the rescheduling here is about access to banking. Banking,

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Speaker 8: tell us more about that, because that's so what happens

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Speaker 8: when you reschedule and then with the as it pretends

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Speaker 8: to the money.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, so right now this is crazy, by

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Speaker 3: the way, is right now weed is federally illegal Schedule

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Speaker 3: one status.

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Speaker 8: But I didn't remember people working in the Biden White

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Speaker 1: Is good legal in DC. And then you really want

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Speaker 1: potheads running our government? I don't, Okay, I don't want

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Speaker 1: to deal with drinkers running our government either.

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Speaker 3: All right, so drug trust. Everybody be fine with me.

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Speaker 3: So let's think about this. The schedule one status means

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Speaker 3: that the big banks in particular do want not want

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Speaker 3: to accept your business. It's also much more difficult for

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Speaker 3: let's say, venture capital rounds, et cetera. People a lot

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Speaker 3: of uh called LPs and funds. They have vice clauses

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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's the main problem.

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Speaker 3: Now, this has caused issues because banking is access to

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Speaker 3: credit markets and basically the ability to borrow. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: It's all crazy, and they have to use that.

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Speaker 3: Basically, it's like a shadow banking system, even though absolute

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Speaker 3: Access to is the ability to basically become big tobacco.

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Speaker 3: They want zero regulation, which again currently they don't have.

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Speaker 1: That's already part of the problem.

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Speaker 3: These people have become so filthy rich that they're hiring

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Speaker 3: all these conservative influencers and others. They're paying them hundreds

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Speaker 8: Let's get into this, okay. So let's put D three

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Speaker 8: on the screen. This is Alex bruce Wits. So if

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Speaker 8: Alex bruce Witz. But the headline here in the drug

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Speaker 8: report is Alex bruce Wwitz's company took three hundred thousand

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Speaker 8: dollars from a pro weed pack days before he said

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Speaker 8: he had quote unquote no personal stake in rescheduling in

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Speaker 8: the rescheduling fight basically, So that's what bruce Witz said

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Speaker 8: on July eleventh. It turns out his company, according to

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Speaker 8: the American Rights and Reform Pack, which has been, as

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Speaker 8: Josh Dossi put it in the Wall Street Journal, seeded

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Speaker 8: also gave a million dollars to Trump's inaugural pack or

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Speaker 7: I'll look it up all you.

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Speaker 3: I have nothing personal against Alex These may be his views,

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Speaker 3: but the fact is is that he and many others

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Speaker 3: And by the way, that fits with Matt Gatz, who

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Speaker 1: I'll give him credit.

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Speaker 3: He actually has mostly held these views for quite a.

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Speaker 8: because she's very very anti Israel in this episode and

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Speaker 8: throughout her whole career.

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Speaker 1: She's her Yeah, look her.

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Speaker 3: The episode consistently I found valuable because she's like, look,

445
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Speaker 3: I'm a nun.

446
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Speaker 1: I live in the Holy Land.

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Speaker 3: Here is my daily interaction with the Muslim population. Here

448
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Speaker 3: is what it's like being a nun in my Orthodox

449
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Speaker 3: Christian community, in doing ministry and going to these churches

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Speaker 3: in Gaza and generally observing what things are like and

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Speaker 3: what she is talking about. The main criticism I've seen

452
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Speaker 3: is that it's preposterous for Tucker to interview her about

453
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Speaker 3: Christian destruction because Christianity is growing in Israel. But everyone

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Speaker 3: then ignored that she's talking about the West Bank and

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Speaker 3: what she's talking about is thea and she's talking about

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Speaker 3: the separate system and the war on these settlers, on

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Speaker 3: many of these communities, many of which are also Christian,

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Speaker 3: and of the two tiered not even two tiered system

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Speaker 3: of justice, there's justice for one and then there's not

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Speaker 3: for other. And that's the part that is so annoying

461
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Speaker 3: is everybody, the Israeli defenders will say in one breath

462
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Speaker 3: that the West Bank is in Israel, but that then

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Speaker 3: they will cite the policies of the officially recognized Israel,

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Speaker 3: and it's like, well, if you combine the two things.

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Speaker 1: Are a little bit different.

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Speaker 3: Now it's like, yeah, Arab Israelis can vote in Israel,

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Speaker 3: how does it work when she's talking about the yellow

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Speaker 3: license plate?

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Speaker 1: And also the settler thing is a.

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Speaker 3: Much more urgent question today because it used to actually

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Speaker 3: be controversial in Israel.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of Israelis are against it.

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Speaker 3: There might still be, but it's part of the governing

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Speaker 3: coalition now to not just support them, to arm them

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Speaker 3: and to protect them with military forces almost certainly coming

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Speaker 3: to Gaza very soon. So then the question of how

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Speaker 3: do they act outside of currently recognize Israel or what

478
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Speaker 3: Israel calls itself Israel and in greater Israel, Well that

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Speaker 3: becomes the urgent question of that treatment, which she has

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Speaker 3: now lived through for many years, and why I thought

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Speaker 3: her perspective was very valuable.

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Speaker 1: She also, yeah, go ahead, well no.

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Speaker 8: I mean, it's just super interesting stuff. It was a

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Speaker 8: long conversation. So we have a selection of highlights. Do

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Speaker 8: you want to get to this mainstream media?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is well, this is important because she talks

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Speaker 3: about her brother who works at George Stephanopoulos.

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Speaker 1: But more importantly what she talks about.

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Speaker 3: Is the way that mass media in the US frames

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Speaker 3: the issue. In the conversation, let's take a listen.

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Speaker 9: It's certainly a great problem right now. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 9: and even with this we're dealing now, it's becoming a

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Speaker 9: lot of publicity on the start, even though it is

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Speaker 9: being distorted. I actually watched the news this morning and

495
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Speaker 9: the James Tavritiz is on and he's talking about it's

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Speaker 9: all Hamasa and they show the emaciated hostage and as

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Speaker 9: if you know, we would everything would be okay if

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Speaker 9: only Hamas would release the hostage. And and that's the

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Speaker 9: starvation when it's taking place. Millions of people are being starved,

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Speaker 9: Babies are dying there, and we're focused. God, I hope

501
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Speaker 9: the hostage gets freed. He should get freed, and he

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Speaker 9: should get freed, and Israel should remove themselves from Gaza

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Speaker 9: and allow the food to get in. And that's and

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Speaker 9: Christians should be pushing for that, and I think we

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Speaker 9: are seeing that to some degree now, but it's still

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Speaker 9: obscuring the main point. Like I said that, the great,

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Speaker 9: the unspoken thing when I talk to all my friends

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Speaker 9: on the West Bank now is that because that they

509
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Speaker 9: know we're next, that it's going to happen, and it

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Speaker 9: will happen. Maybe we'll go back to that time where

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Speaker 9: it'll be more like they they play a long game,

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Speaker 9: you know, even with this settlement building, we'll build and

513
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Speaker 9: then if America gives a little bit of pushback. Okay,

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Speaker 9: we stopped for a while and then we start again,

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Speaker 9: so maybe even in the West Bank for now.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, I think that that perspective is

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Speaker 3: very valuable from her, again as somebody who currently experiences

518
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Speaker 3: so much of this stuff, and where she really kicked

519
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Speaker 3: I think the hornous nest was by claiming that Christian fundamentalist.

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Speaker 1: Support for Israel is heresy.

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Speaker 3: Now I am not Christian and I'm not going to

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Speaker 3: get engaged in theological debates, but you tell me what

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Speaker 3: the response to that was.

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Speaker 7: Well, let's ull a clip.

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Speaker 8: This is going to be E three and it's not

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Speaker 8: surprising at all of her Russian Orthodox none today at

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Speaker 8: this point. Let's we'll get into it on the back end.

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Speaker 7: This is E three.

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Speaker 9: Just like many Jews are protesting and saying not in

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Speaker 9: our name, there has to be much more done by

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Speaker 9: the Christians in America because these Christian Zionists are speaking

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Speaker 9: in our name. Someone like Ted Cruz is saying and

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Speaker 9: doing what he's doing because he's following a Christianity that

534
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Speaker 9: is not the Christianity of the Holy Land.

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Speaker 1: We are commanded as Christians support the government of Israel.

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Speaker 1: We are commanded to support Israel.

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Speaker 9: Heretical belief.

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Speaker 1: What is Christian Zionism.

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Speaker 9: It's sort of this cruel bargain they have going with

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Speaker 9: Israel because basically what they say that they're going to

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Speaker 9: be swooped up into heaven, right, and then there's going

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Speaker 9: to be a thousand year kingdom, and then there'll be

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Speaker 9: the end of the world and the judgment by Christ

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Speaker 9: and he'll come back. This is a false It was

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Speaker 9: condemned as a heresy in three eighty one because basically

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Speaker 9: there is no thousand year millennium to come those thousand

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Speaker 9: year period we are in that time period now, it's

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Speaker 9: a false belief there.

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Speaker 1: So basically they're arguing, is that Jesus coming the first

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Speaker 1: time wasn't enough?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, And it's like, in a way, it's denying the Messiah.

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Speaker 1: So all right, tell me, tell me what's going on.

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Speaker 8: So we don't have to get into the whole premillennial

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Speaker 8: dispensation listening again, But that's basically what she's talking about.

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Speaker 8: Ryan and I talked about extensively in our Red Heifer

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Speaker 8: segment that Ryan reported out last week, and we're talking

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Speaker 8: about before too, But the idea that there's a rapture

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Speaker 8: and then the it's mostly evangelicals now and evangelical. You

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Speaker 8: hear sometimes those arguments made, and I would say it

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Speaker 8: was probably the case in that interview that comes across

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Speaker 8: as just anti Protestants, but just still sensitive. I don't

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Speaker 8: take any offense to that. I think it did sound

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Speaker 8: sort of anti Protestant. But to say it's a heresy

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Speaker 8: to me is as much as I disagree with it

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Speaker 8: and think it is dangerous, this is a semantic conversation.

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Speaker 8: It's just a bad interpretation, and it's a bad It's

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Speaker 8: it's a I think, a thin interpretation to base your

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Speaker 8: foreign policy on. It's not a crazy interpretation of scripture.

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Speaker 8: It's just in many cases a very literal interpretation of scripture.

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Speaker 8: So I wouldn't go so far as to call it

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Speaker 8: a heresy. But she did God a heresy, which.

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Speaker 3: Of course, again this is like you know, my experience

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Speaker 3: with this is like the da Vinci Code, but like

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Speaker 3: talking about she was like in three fifty eight they

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Speaker 3: declared it on like sure, whatever, I'll take your word

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Speaker 3: for it.

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Speaker 8: She's roughen orthodoxy. She's not Protestant, so it's it's not offensive.

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Speaker 8: But I think most people would say it's it's not

579
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Speaker 8: so much heretical, it's not gnosticism, but it's a very

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Speaker 8: literal interpretation and it's thin gruel for your foreign policy,

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Speaker 8: which is a very fair point. Like the red halfer

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Speaker 8: segment we had last week, it's to base your foreign

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Speaker 8: policy around this as ostensibly my cocka being Mike Johnson

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Speaker 8: and Ted Kruz do.

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Speaker 7: That's really a serious problem.

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Speaker 8: And I think that's probably what's most offensive is not

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Speaker 8: calling it a heresy, because that's more stemantic.

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Speaker 7: I mean, pre.

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Speaker 8: Millennial dispensations know that they're kind of a lot of

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Speaker 8: people disagree.

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Speaker 7: With them and think that they're bananas.

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Speaker 8: But I think what's more offensive is this idea that

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Speaker 8: your lifelong support for the Israeli state, the Israeli government,

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Speaker 8: political israel I think it's it's a more sensitive topic

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Speaker 8: because it hits a live wire for a lot of

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Speaker 8: people that you kind of look around and you realize,

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Speaker 8: h guess some of this maybe was wrong.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's why it's so sensitive.

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Speaker 1: I would hope so do E four as well.

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Speaker 7: I think this is what was most This seemed to

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Speaker 7: be the most contraus.

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Speaker 1: This is what people got upset about. Yeah, le's take

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Speaker 1: a lisson. I mean, I'm sure you've dealt with Hamah

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Speaker 1: or no. People who are they religious fanatics? Are they jihatis?

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Speaker 9: Not the people that I know. Like I said, I

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Speaker 9: when I was again at the school, we had a

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Speaker 9: couple teachers Meslim men and there were some elections going

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Speaker 9: on and it wasn't Hamas then it was the social

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Speaker 9: party or somebody was definitely a religious Muslim religious party.

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Speaker 9: I would have voted for those guys because they weren't corrupt.

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Speaker 9: They wanted to serve their people, and that's what it

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Speaker 9: was about. So I'm not saying it doesn't happen anywhere.

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Speaker 9: I'm not totally ingrained in the community, but I don't

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Speaker 9: it doesn't. The vibe there isn't one of wanting everybody

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Speaker 9: to convert to Islam and forcing it upon them at

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Speaker 9: all at all. And the purpose of Hamas is primarily

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Speaker 9: to resist and to protect their people in their land.

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Speaker 8: And she's a bit kaj when talkers if you can proselytize,

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Speaker 8: and she says, you know, we don't really.

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Speaker 7: Do that because we're Orthodox. It's not part of our faith.

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Speaker 8: But Sager again important point that a lot of people

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Speaker 8: do want to gloss over Hamas is not exactly the

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Speaker 8: same as isis right, like there are distinctions between the otherization. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: it's a political organization. They're very I mean, I guess

625
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Speaker 8: you can call Isis one too, but they're very meaningful distinctions.

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Speaker 8: It doesn't mean one is great, it means that it's different.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 3: The the take I saw was that she's reluctant to

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Speaker 3: say it because then she couldn't be able to go back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, at the end of the day, I guess

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Speaker 3: I'll take a word for it, Like I would probably

633
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Speaker 3: want to say, we should you get ask like other

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Speaker 3: people who are Christian in let's say, Gaza and or

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Speaker 3: in the West Bank about their general experience, because those

636
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Speaker 3: are the ones ultimately you have to deal, you know,

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Speaker 3: with the population. I did think what was kind of

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Speaker 3: interesting talking or listening to her was just about the

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Speaker 3: Islamic and Christian communities who live side by side there. Yes,

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Speaker 3: And she did not make it seem as if it

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Speaker 3: was the Muslim population that was driving them out. She

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Speaker 3: much more laid the blame at Israel. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if that is to be true. It is just interesting

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Speaker 3: though to hear her say that, And I was like, well,

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Speaker 3: you know, I mean, I'm assuming there's I mean, what

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Speaker 3: incentive do you have for a Christian leader not to

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Speaker 3: say the otherwise?

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Speaker 8: Well, so I think it's very obviously true when you're

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Speaker 8: talking about some of these sites, and she makes a

650
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Speaker 8: really interesting argument about Jacob's Well and other sites in

651
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Speaker 8: the West Bank where for Muslims these sites were actually

652
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Speaker 8: here's an even better example, some of the sites where

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Speaker 8: Jesus's birthplace.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, those are really those.

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Speaker 8: Are actually also important sites to Muslims because obviously they

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Speaker 8: incorporate Jesus into Islam and always have, and so they

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Speaker 8: have incentives to protect these holy sites for Christians in

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Speaker 8: the same way that Christians have incentives to protect their

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Speaker 8: holy sites. But if you are is what incentive do

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Speaker 8: you have to protect a site that has to do

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Speaker 8: with Jesus, who you believe was a false Messiah. So

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Speaker 8: from that perspective of just purely preserving the history, there's obviously,

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Speaker 8: like the ven diagram has an overlap on the question

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Speaker 8: of like holy sites for people who believe in Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 8: So I thought that point was interesting. She's basically saying

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Speaker 8: there's a real risk with settlements and such of these

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Speaker 8: holy sites being completely obliterated because the Israelis may have

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Speaker 8: reason to preserve Jacob's well, but what reason do they

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Speaker 8: have to preserve Christian like christ centered holy sites?

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Speaker 7: Not really much at all, and that is a legitimate risk.

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Speaker 7: But yeah, the Humas stuff, did it sound like she

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Speaker 7: maybe was a little a little tense. Yeah, she was

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Speaker 7: like she.

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Speaker 1: Was like, they're you know, they're defending their people.

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Speaker 3: I was like, wow, I mean, you know, theoretically, I

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Speaker 3: guess technically true, maybe she has her own incentive. She probably,

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Speaker 3: if I had to guess, is just one who's so

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Speaker 3: horrified by Israel that she doesn't want to fall any trap.

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Speaker 3: Which I actually think that's I do understand that she.

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Speaker 8: Did not want to make it sound like by criticizing

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Speaker 8: Hamas and she can take it shure with this argument,

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Speaker 8: yis exactly she didn't want to fall into.

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Speaker 7: You called it trap. I think it's exactly right. That

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Speaker 7: was my internal It's like.

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Speaker 3: There's Morgan, you know, like do you but do you condemn?

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Speaker 1: Do you condemn Hamas?

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Speaker 3: And by the way, she was like, yes, the hostage

688
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 3: should be released anyway.

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Speaker 1: Interesting Combo.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad that I at least got your perspective on it.

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Speaker 3: Let's get to Epstein.

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Speaker 7: Hashtag release the Quomo list. That is the new campaign

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Speaker 7: push from Zoron Mamdani, Democratic nominee, not Andrew Cuomo for

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Speaker 7: mayor of New York City. Obviously everyone is familiar with him.

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Speaker 7: But let's go.

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Speaker 8: Ahead and take a look at this ad that Zoron

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Speaker 8: dropped yesterday with hashtag release the Cuomo list, now tying

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Speaker 8: Andrew Cuomo, his opponent, whom he obviously defeated in the

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Speaker 8: Democratic I'm mary to the Epstein list.

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Speaker 7: Let's roll the clip.

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Speaker 5: Four years ago, Andrew Cuomo resigned in disgrace, and you

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Speaker 5: probably know.

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Speaker 6: Why Governor's office kept the nursing home death data secret.

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Speaker 1: Fomo aggressively growthed an aid, inappropriately touched a female d trooper,

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Speaker 1: use of state resources or COVID nineteen memoir.

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Speaker 5: Less well known is what he spent the last four

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Speaker 5: years doing, besides getting trounced in the Democratic primer. In

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty two, Cuomo started Innovation Strategies LLC to represent

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Speaker 5: individuals and corporations in a variety of matters definitely not vague.

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Speaker 5: Last year, it raked in more than half a million

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Speaker 5: dollars who paid for Cuomo's services, he refuses to say,

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Speaker 5: but what journalists have been able to piece together is troubling.

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Speaker 5: In April, Bloomberg revealed the Cuomo advised a cryptocurrency exchange

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Speaker 5: based in the Seychelles as it faced federal investigations. Then

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Speaker 5: in May, Politico reported that Cuomo failed to disclose two

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Speaker 5: point six million dollars in stock options to the New

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Speaker 5: York City Complex of Interest For his excuse, the stocks

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Speaker 5: were technically owned by Innovation Strategies LLC, of which is

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Speaker 5: the Finally, in June, the New York Times uncovered the

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Speaker 5: Cuomo had worked with his longtime friend Andrew Farcas on

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Speaker 5: a luxury marina project in Puerto Rico. Farcas's previous partner

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Speaker 5: on luxury murders in the Caribbean, Jeffrey Epstein, we had.

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Speaker 1: A finance chair like a Marcas.

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Speaker 5: That's the thing about Andrew Cloma. Once you think you

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Speaker 5: found out about all of us scandals, you find out

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Speaker 5: about a number, and then a number, and then probably another.

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Speaker 5: But if my friend, the disgraced former governor of the

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Speaker 5: State of New York, feels that's unfair, how do you

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Speaker 5: release your client list?

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Speaker 8: Lease the client list Okay, well, so let's put the

731
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Speaker 8: next element on the screen. This is a tweet that

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Speaker 8: went Megavirel and said breaking Andrew Cuomo was on the

733
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Speaker 8: Epstein list. But you know what that article links to,

734
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Speaker 8: saga is a story about the binders that Pam Bondi

735
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Speaker 8: released in late February, which all of this was already known,

736
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Speaker 8: has been known for a really long time. Another thing

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Speaker 8: I noted in the Cuomo video that Mom Donnie just

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Speaker 8: put out, Actually they're tying him more to COVID in

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Speaker 8: that as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you get I think that's COVID.

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Speaker 7: Yeah it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're what they.

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Speaker 3: Were talking about with the Epstein list binder is, like

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Speaker 3: you said, of the contacts that were included in there.

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Speaker 3: By the way, we can put that on the screen

746
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Speaker 3: from the New York Post if we want to f

747
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Speaker 3: three please and it says, you know, the Epstein contact

748
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Speaker 3: list included such luminaries as Alec Baldwin, Michael Jackson, Mick Jagger,

749
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Speaker 3: and RFK Junior's mom. I will say, you know again,

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Speaker 3: to be fair, and this is what they always say,

751
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Speaker 3: there were people in the Black Book apparently who literally

752
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Speaker 3: had never corresponded with him. So in some cases like

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Speaker 3: he would keep their information but they didn't necessarily know it.

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Speaker 1: But the point beyond the.

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Speaker 3: Zoron ad is more about using it as a political vector,

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Speaker 3: and I think very effectively. I've seen some Democrats try

757
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Speaker 3: to do this in the past. Of course, the COVID

758
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 3: connection in general. What do you want to gin up

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00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 3: against Andrew Cuomo is this was a corrupt governor, his

760
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 3: sketchy ties in the past, and he literally his policies

761
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 3: killed people whenever he was the governor. Why would you

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Speaker 3: want somebody whos at is New York all that is.

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Speaker 8: True sexual misconduct application which the epstein putting gasoline on it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly exactly. So I think those two things together

765
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Speaker 3: are effective. And I mean Coomo himself just seems to

766
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 3: be going through some like mental crisis. Like in his

767
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 3: attacks on Zoran he's like, you know, I'm the son

768
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Speaker 3: of you know what He's saying, I'm a boxer, Like

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Speaker 3: I'll meet you in the ring.

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Speaker 7: He fly like a butterfly thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, it's like what are you doing here?

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Speaker 3: Like, you know, And I think what it all kind

773
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 3: of comes together with in his strategy is sending himself

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Speaker 3: as a tough guy that's that's what it seems to me.

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00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 3: But you know the problem is in the current split field,

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00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 3: I think all it's doing is consolidating the support right

777
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 3: now for Zarn because you have Silwa, you have Adams,

778
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 3: you have Cuomo. All of those together they're going to

779
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 3: split any so called moderate vote.

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Speaker 8: But you also, you don't look like a tough guy

781
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 8: when you lost, of course to an upstore thirty something

782
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 8: like state legislator. It just you can't come back from

783
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 8: that and look tough, even if you have all the

784
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 8: resources in the world, because you were just outgunned by

785
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 8: somebody with no resources, Like, there's just no way to

786
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 8: recover your tough reputation. Clearly, what he has is some

787
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 8: type of like teenager or with somebody with a teenage

788
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 8: mentality running his Twitter account and posting those things exactly

789
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 8: what you said you would hope so well, those quotes

790
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 8: that you just alluded to where he's he's referencing his

791
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 8: dad and fly like a butterflies thing, like, I mean,

792
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 8: it just crazy stuff. But he clearly hired somebody to

793
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Speaker 8: run his social media in a way that makes it

794
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Speaker 8: look like he's having a mental breakdown and is about

795
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Speaker 8: to you know, buy a red convertible and uh, do

796
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Speaker 8: some more adultery.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and keeping with the Epstein thing, the more that

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00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 3: there is like a cover up and mentality to it,

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Speaker 3: I think, the more this will resonate amongst the Democrats

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00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 3: and specifically you know, we've seen this, you know, all

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Speaker 3: of a sudden, some of the Democratic influencer accounts or whatever,

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00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 3: they're going crazy with epstin, which is fine with me.

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00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 3: Late anything that rea leads to the release of more information,

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00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 3: it's totally cool. Let's put the F four please up

805
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 3: on the screen, just to give everybody an update. The

806
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Speaker 3: judge will not unseal grand jury papers of Ghlaine Maxwell

807
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 3: or Gallaine Maxwell after Donald Trump and the administration asked

808
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 3: them to. So that kind of, you know, defeats the

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00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 3: alleged transparency that they were going for by saying that

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00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 3: they were going to ask the judge to release the

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Speaker 3: grand jury information. Both Maxwell, Maxwell's attorney and the government

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Speaker 3: previously had opposed the release of such documents, and so

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00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 3: now the judge has basically been like, yeah, no, we're

814
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Speaker 3: not going to do it. And Glaane is miraculously still

815
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Speaker 3: in the federal prison camp in my hometown Brian, Texas,

816
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 3: and yeah, I should when I go back, I should

817
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 3: go and survey because apparently in a federal prison camp,

818
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 3: so there was some story going around work release. Apparently

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Speaker 3: it's not true. Her lawyer denies that she has work release,

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00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 3: but you do have like more limited interaction like with

821
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Speaker 3: people in the community possibly, like especially because some people

822
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Speaker 3: do have work release there who would know her. So

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Speaker 3: I need to go and investigate the next time. Then

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Speaker 3: I go on, you do Apparently you can even go

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Speaker 3: take photos the Daily Mail as photos of Elizabeth Holmes daily.

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Speaker 7: Workouts and Jenshaw from real house.

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Speaker 1: We shouldn't.

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Speaker 3: We shouldn't arrest her as well down in Club Fed.

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Speaker 3: So maybe I'll do that.

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Speaker 1: I'll do the paparazzi thing.

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Speaker 3: I'll go, I'll shout some questions at Gleane and see

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Speaker 3: if I can get an interview with her.

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Speaker 7: This judge's response was pretty annoying.

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Speaker 1: Why so what do you think?

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean, it's just like they're.

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Speaker 8: Saying there's nothing new public's not going to learn, and

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Speaker 8: obviously they don't want to breach the grand jury.

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Speaker 7: I get it. Yeah, but if that's the case, just

839
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Speaker 7: let us see it.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's complicated, because I think it was designed to fail.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 3: The point is not to point to these The point

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Speaker 3: is what's in the government's purview already if they wanted

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Speaker 3: to realise, which they fully have. They have one hundred

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Speaker 3: thousand documents compiled in the FBI, They have so many

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Speaker 3: doctor that, Treasury Bank reports, et cetera, all of which

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00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 3: are totally open and subpoenable by Congress, except which they

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Speaker 3: are blocking.

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Speaker 1: They're not allowing them to have it.

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Speaker 3: So I'm hoping that at least some of it, you know,

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Speaker 3: does come out at some point, because you know, even

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Speaker 3: these Republican politicians when they eventually come back to town

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Speaker 3: in two weeks, the Oversight Comedian others have subpoena Glean Maxwell,

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Speaker 3: They've subpoenas some of these records, right, So more information

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Speaker 3: actually could still be coming out.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so let's just pause. Just one more thing to

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Speaker 7: add on that.

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Speaker 8: A lot of people were following Thomas Massey's post yesterday

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Speaker 8: about how Trump can't do recess appointments to fill hundreds

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Speaker 8: of empty seats in his administration because gp House and

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Speaker 8: Senate I'm quoting here hold pro forma sessions to block him. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 8: bureaucrats carry on, is that they report to no one.

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Speaker 8: Here's the one they held today in an empty chamber,

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Speaker 8: And he posted a video of a pro forma session

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Speaker 8: happening in an empty chamber. Someone tagged us in response

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Speaker 8: to the Massy tweet and said, why can you find

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Speaker 8: out about this? So I asked a source. And this

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Speaker 8: is also Epstein related. The reason basically that you can

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Speaker 8: assume we can assume that they're doing these pro forma

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Speaker 8: sessions that blocked Trump's own recess appointments is because and

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Speaker 8: all like hood Trump agreed with Mike Johnson and John

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Speaker 8: Thune to do this to block the raci's appointments in

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Speaker 8: order to avoid a vote on the Epstein bill. So again,

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Speaker 8: all of these things that are like designed to fail.

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Speaker 8: That you just I think that was perfect description what

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Speaker 8: you just mentioned. That is what the Trump administration is

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Speaker 8: now pushing under the banner of trying to ascertain some

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Speaker 8: level of transparency and to get more information out into

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Speaker 8: the public.

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Speaker 7: There are all of these.

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Speaker 8: Like stall mechanisms that we're starting to see, I think

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Speaker 8: pop up, and that'll likely be the course of the

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Speaker 8: next three years the administration.

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Speaker 3: I agree with that, all right, Emily, thank you for

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Speaker 3: having me. I appreciate it. Thanks for letting me hijack

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Speaker 3: the show no no and rant about weed.

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Speaker 1: That's the only you would let me allow.

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Speaker 7: Let me do it, I learned.

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Speaker 1: I hope the audience.

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Speaker 7: I always do it. And my favorite thing is that

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Speaker 7: you had to drink out of a mug with my

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Speaker 7: Ryan's face.

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Speaker 3: Listen, I don't care. You know it's good for us,

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Speaker 3: it's good for the company. All right, guys, thank you

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Speaker 3: so much for watching. I'll be on with Crystal tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you.

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Speaker 9: Then pick