Speaker 1: This series includes sensitive and potentially distressing topics, including sexual
Speaker 1: assault and abuse involving children. Listener discretion is advised. Prison
Speaker 1: is like a cemetery for a living man. It's like
Speaker 1: everybody is a shadow of themselves, a shell ghost.
Speaker 2: Some of those people with life. You look in their
Speaker 2: eyes and there is nothing, nothing good to say, nothing
Speaker 2: good to feel.
Speaker 1: A couple of months after his conviction for the murder
Speaker 1: of Josette Wright, Anthony was transferred to Downstate Correctional. It's
Speaker 1: where they process new inmates into the system.
Speaker 2: I went in young, unprepared, not as tough as I
Speaker 2: thought I was. When I got to Downstate, the counselor
Speaker 2: threatened me. The counselor, he says, you're going to have
Speaker 2: a really bad time. Only how do you mean on
Speaker 2: sign indoors. It's like, yeah, sure, you're not going to
Speaker 2: have a good, good life.
Speaker 1: His first day at Downstay corroborated that counselor.
Speaker 2: It's two hours in and there's I don't know one
Speaker 2: hundred of us, and you know they're doing the spread
Speaker 2: your cheeks and then it shaved your hair, your eyebrows,
Speaker 2: all facial hair off. The next thing they did is
Speaker 2: they made us, all undressed, all naked in one line,
Speaker 2: and they threw the shit they call lie the lauser.
Speaker 2: They're taking a picture and now here I look like
Speaker 2: freaking mini me. So it's like you're being processed, you
Speaker 2: as a human being and a factory of other human beings.
Speaker 2: You're you're moving the way they tell you. They put
Speaker 2: you on a line, they give you your clothes, you're
Speaker 2: giving an inmate ID number. Mine was nine seven eight
Speaker 2: five six three nine. You had to walk in two rows,
Speaker 2: paired off side by side in groups of forty. If
Speaker 2: you felt back a little bit, they would say something
Speaker 2: like patch it up on the left retard or if
Speaker 2: somebody was talking to me, like what part of no
Speaker 2: talking in my hallway do you not understand? And so
Speaker 2: I started hearing these direct orders from this foul place.
Speaker 2: Somebody says sim laughs about something that unacceptable. There will
Speaker 2: be quiet, and there would be water, and they would
Speaker 2: take guys that did these things, and then you would
Speaker 2: hear them beaten in screen. Well, I'm not gonna say nothing.
Speaker 1: It was in places like downstate pens built to terrorize
Speaker 1: entry level felon into a life of learned submission that
Speaker 1: Anthony would have to learn how to save his own life.
Speaker 1: My man left my fears.
Speaker 2: Narrow Depth r Nless.
Speaker 3: Valley.
Speaker 1: This is the Devil's Quarry. In the fall of nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety seven, Anthony was sent up top That's what inmates
Speaker 1: called the Max Security Pens in northern New York State.
Speaker 1: His new address, SHAWANNGA Correctional was where they kept the
Speaker 1: worst of the worst. David Berkowitz, better known as the
Speaker 1: son of Sam Robert Chambers, the Central Park strangler Larry Davis,
Speaker 1: who shot six cops in the Bronx and lived to
Speaker 1: tell the tale. In a crowd like that, you keep
Speaker 1: yourself to yourself, and if anyone asks what you're in for,
Speaker 1: you lie your full head off.
Speaker 2: I was like for the first six or eight months
Speaker 2: it was a robbery and murder, So I kind of
Speaker 2: altered the story to kind of protect myself from like
Speaker 2: having to explain it. But eventually your case comes out
Speaker 2: in a lot of books and people find out and
Speaker 2: people talk.
Speaker 1: He didn't have to guess what happened to the untouchables.
Speaker 1: You had a front row seat for that stuff.
Speaker 2: Like, I seen a lot of stuff happening, like a
Speaker 2: violent stuff. I seen a guy pick a guy up
Speaker 2: out of a wheelchair, start fighting him and put them
Speaker 2: back in a wheelchair. I seen two guys fighting over
Speaker 2: a state burrito upstairs, slamming each other into the cages.
Speaker 2: I see a guy on a weight bench cut what
Speaker 2: made a Nike sign on the kid's face while he
Speaker 2: was under about two twenty five. Yeah, I mean, I've
Speaker 2: seen enough blood to fill a bathtub.
Speaker 1: Anthony knew his day was coming, the day he'd have
Speaker 1: to fight three gangsters in the shower or someone would
Speaker 1: slip behind him with a straight edge. He lived in
Speaker 1: a state of low level terror. It's one thing to
Speaker 1: hulk slam your backyard buddies, it's another to fend off
Speaker 1: lifers who squat four fifty and who conspire with the
Speaker 1: guards to get at you. In short, you don't survive
Speaker 1: up top without a break or two coming your way.
Speaker 1: Anthony's break came to him out of the clear blue.
Speaker 1: He met some guys who knew the guy and the
Speaker 1: mafia there. And what was Anthony's calling card to the
Speaker 1: crime boss at Schewana his stepdad, Big Larry.
Speaker 2: There was a couple people and I knew my stepfather,
Speaker 2: And then there was this guy. His name was Angelo,
Speaker 2: and he was high up in Cazies. He knew some
Speaker 2: people that knew some people right, and those people knew
Speaker 2: my people.
Speaker 1: Anthony put out word that he wanted to sit down
Speaker 1: with Angelo. That request went up the chain and Anthony
Speaker 1: got to sit down. He went with every scrap of
Speaker 1: proof he had that the cops had stitched him up.
Speaker 2: Like I brought out the dominic recantation Adam taking his
Speaker 2: story back.
Speaker 1: He told him how Andy was tricked into a false confession,
Speaker 1: how his buddy said they were beaten into testifying against him,
Speaker 1: and they believed. After hearing him out, the Italians made
Speaker 1: their ruling. This kid gets a pass, so hands off.
Speaker 1: When you got to pass with.
Speaker 2: Your own kind, that kind things falling water. It didn't
Speaker 2: mean it put me at the top of the food chain.
Speaker 2: But no longer am I at the bottom. And so
Speaker 2: now not only are they like giving me a pass,
Speaker 2: they're like they're calling me to the table. They're breaking
Speaker 2: bread with me now. And so it's like I feel
Speaker 2: a little safer, like when it was happy birthday, some
Speaker 2: happy birthday, when it was Christmas, they brought out buffets
Speaker 2: of chips and cookkies.
Speaker 1: It surely didn't hurt that every couple of weeks you'd
Speaker 1: get a big care package from home, a cart and
Speaker 1: crame with goodies. He'd chair with a crew h salams
Speaker 1: and soprisadas, tubs of dried fruits. Then there was the
Speaker 1: stuff that really opened doors, crisp copies of penthouse and hustler.
Speaker 1: Those are the kinds of goods that make you a
Speaker 1: vip in D block Able to finally let it bread out,
Speaker 1: Anthony got back to the job of living, started training
Speaker 1: in the jail yard every day, building a brick house,
Speaker 1: chest and quads.
Speaker 2: It's where he met some of the other guys on
Speaker 2: his tier. I had a friend of mine. His name
Speaker 2: was muk Mehan and he was his big Muslim guy.
Speaker 2: But he was in a wheelchair. He just lost the
Speaker 2: body function from the waist down. He was military police
Speaker 2: Vietnam VET. And believe me, he looked like he walked
Speaker 2: right out of a Black Expectation film. If he had
Speaker 2: a soundtrack, it would be like Dan and Dan then
Speaker 2: and then and then.
Speaker 1: And he was so cool.
Speaker 2: Mook was one of my best friends I ever met
Speaker 2: in jail.
Speaker 1: Anthony got good and tight with Mook enough so that
Speaker 1: Mook shared a secret with him. He had a little
Speaker 1: helper that got him through the day. Nothing illegal, mind you.
Speaker 1: It was actually prescribed by the prison doctors. A muscle
Speaker 1: relied some called backlaffin for his muscle spasms.
Speaker 2: So he had like they would give him like ninety
Speaker 2: a month, and he'd be like, Yo, you should try
Speaker 2: to I I'll try it. We should try. I'm telling
Speaker 2: you you feel better. Finally like, yeah, I'm gonna take him.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was like you know what
Speaker 2: like beta blockers do for college kids, but if you
Speaker 2: take ten of them with two heaping spoons of Folger's
Speaker 2: crystals down the throat, you're gonna be When I was
Speaker 2: doing with the backlaffins, I mix it with the coffee.
Speaker 2: I would take like Folgers, and I would put just
Speaker 2: a little bit of water in a lot of the
Speaker 2: crystals to get like a super dose of caffeine late
Speaker 2: at night, and that would kind of counterbalance the down
Speaker 2: effect of the backliffin. So I was like high and
Speaker 2: feeling good, but focus. And with that focus came a
Speaker 2: Russian agency. They urged to fight back to clear his name.
Speaker 2: A kid he'd had no shot against the Putnam cops,
Speaker 2: but now with a clear head, and this day is
Speaker 2: free to work. He was ready to take them on
Speaker 2: to get hold of his case file and read every
Speaker 2: work twice, then dig for the facts that weren't in
Speaker 2: that file. I stopped waiting, lifting so much, I could
Speaker 2: only do one in the other. I was either going
Speaker 2: to be the best looking, most macho man in history
Speaker 2: or I was going home. Because I only had that
Speaker 2: much time, and so I dedicated my focus on my freedom.
Speaker 2: What the drugs did was kind of like re resurrect
Speaker 2: like my will. It gave me a passion to do
Speaker 2: the research late at night, and I took them and
Speaker 2: I became a freaking genius.
Speaker 1: For all its reputation, there's a dumb site for psychos.
Speaker 1: Shwangong had a library he was proud of. There, Anthony,
Speaker 1: a guy who'd failed the ninth grade twice, found a
Speaker 1: full set of texts called the Case Law Reporters. Curious,
Speaker 1: he pulled a volume off the shelf and started on
Speaker 1: page one. By the time he looked up again, it
Speaker 1: was dark outside and Anthony was bewitched. Here in his
Speaker 1: hands was a starter kit for aspiring self taught lawyers.
Speaker 1: In a matter of months, he went from ninth grade
Speaker 1: kickout to dep Lock's legal eagle.
Speaker 2: I started sleeping all day like the hurricane.
Speaker 1: That would be Reuben Hurricane Carter, the great middleweight frame
Speaker 1: for murder in New Jersey. He'd famously written his way
Speaker 1: out of prison by becoming a jail house lawyer.
Speaker 2: And I would stay up at night and I would study,
Speaker 2: and I would print all these papers out from the
Speaker 2: law library. I would just love to learn the law.
Speaker 2: I had little highlighters, and I had little notebooks, and
Speaker 2: I started thinking. And when I started connecting the facts
Speaker 2: and the hope and the law as it applies, as
Speaker 2: it should be applied, and I see a way out,
Speaker 2: I get very hopeful and very dreamy, and I kind
Speaker 2: of create my own kind of euphoria. And you know,
Speaker 2: it wasn't a fantasy. It drove me, It inspired me.
Speaker 2: It was part of a chain of things in my
Speaker 2: life that led me to learn this law.
Speaker 1: As a fixture in those stacks, he found his tribe
Speaker 1: of jail house lawyers.
Speaker 2: And so like, in prison, it's like a cemetery for
Speaker 2: a living man. But the people that are innocent, the
Speaker 2: people that are fighting, the people that had hope, had
Speaker 2: a different level of energy. These are the people that
Speaker 2: I need to be around. These are the people that
Speaker 2: are focused. And they were all learning together and something
Speaker 2: new came out and we all had ways of sharing
Speaker 2: the knowledge. Everybody followed the new laws, the advance sheets,
Speaker 2: the law journals, anything that came out, and they just
Speaker 2: had the heart and that was the only way out.
Speaker 1: He spent the first couple of years there framing an appeal.
Speaker 1: Big Larry had hired him new lawyers.
Speaker 2: So in ninety eight we hired Joel Brenner, and Joel
Speaker 2: was just this legendary old appeal monster whose name is
Speaker 2: all over these books. I mean, you guys might know
Speaker 2: too much about him on the street, but in the
Speaker 2: jailhouse he's a legend. You know, you want to go
Speaker 2: to like the guy that is going to get the
Speaker 2: job done. So Larry hires him.
Speaker 1: From his jail cell. Anthony work morning and night writing
Speaker 1: and revising that petition.
Speaker 2: There's about twelve to thirteen points. A couple of those
Speaker 2: points are broken, and we argue when you say points,
Speaker 2: you're talking about, well, when you file an appeal, you
Speaker 2: raise points of law. So these points of law, or
Speaker 2: you know, you want to break it down and give
Speaker 2: the court. You know the basis of your claim and
Speaker 2: how that law supports you, and how you didn't have
Speaker 2: a fair trial.
Speaker 1: There's a format to follow in a post conviction relief appeal.
Speaker 1: Even if you find clear proof of your innocence, you
Speaker 1: still have to show the court that your conviction broke
Speaker 1: the law.
Speaker 2: So our first it's a statement of facts, basically summarizing
Speaker 2: the trial. And then our point one is the evidence
Speaker 2: was legally insufficient and Denise rose. The weight of the
Speaker 2: evidence goes into the verdict as a matter of law.
Speaker 2: Second point is the erroneous decision of the trial court
Speaker 2: to preclude dominic neglia.
Speaker 1: Domin neglia, your recall was kept off the stand by
Speaker 1: the judge at Anthony's trial. This despite the fact that
Speaker 1: he'd invented the story to put the cops on Anthony's trail.
Speaker 1: The impact of that story was immense. Domb didn't just
Speaker 1: put Anthony and Andy in the frame. He also gave
Speaker 1: those cops the names of their Stone Her friends kids
Speaker 1: like Adam Wilson and Bill McGregor, whom the cops then
Speaker 1: stalked and coerced. Wilson at least had recanted at trial.
Speaker 1: He told the jury the story of those cops coercion,
Speaker 1: but MacGregor at grudging we played along. He signed a
Speaker 1: statement that the Putnam cops wrote out and testified against
Speaker 1: Anthony at his trial, but his testimony would haunt McGregor
Speaker 1: for a decade. In two thousand and five, a pair
Speaker 1: of investigators hired by Big Larry tracked him down in Florida.
Speaker 1: When they did, Bill told him he had a confession
Speaker 1: to make.
Speaker 2: Bill is like, I've been waiting to say this for
Speaker 2: quite some time. I have a lot on my chest,
Speaker 2: and you know, first of all, I wasn't there. I
Speaker 2: first time I met Denise Rose was when the cops
Speaker 2: introduced her to me and tried to have her convince
Speaker 2: me of this story. I never met Josette right a
Speaker 2: day in my life. I wasn't in that vain and
Speaker 2: I did not see nothing.
Speaker 1: He said that those cops coerced him, dragged him up
Speaker 1: to Putnam County from Manhattan, detained and questioned him, and
Speaker 1: flipped between threatening him with a murder count and offering
Speaker 1: to a RaSE a pending drug charge he had in
Speaker 1: New York.
Speaker 2: He's like, he told me that he threatened me with
Speaker 2: accomplished to murder.
Speaker 1: McGregor signed and swore out of full recantation. So now
Speaker 1: three of the four witnesses allegedly I'm that fan, Andy Krevak,
Speaker 1: Bill McGregor Adam Wilson had recanted their coerce statements.
Speaker 2: I got three in the four. Yeah, I got three
Speaker 2: out of four.
Speaker 1: That left one last witness, Denise Rose, standing by your
Speaker 1: testimony in court. Alas, at this point in two thousand
Speaker 1: and five, Big Larry ran out of money. He'd been
Speaker 1: fed Anthony's defense for nine long years, paying expensive lawyers
Speaker 1: and private eyes, but his business had run aground and
Speaker 1: he had to tap out for a while.
Speaker 2: Big Larry is like, I can't pay. I'm having money problems.
Speaker 2: I can't pay for warriors anymore. So I it's me.
Speaker 2: I'm on my own here.
Speaker 1: So Anthony filed the next motion based on McGregor's recantation,
Speaker 1: and then he filed another motion setting all the cops'
Speaker 1: missteps and the many omissions from his case file. After
Speaker 1: months of drafting and redrafting motions for an appeal, Anthony
Speaker 1: wound up nowhere with the courts. Each rejection left him gutted,
Speaker 1: but never out of gas. His rage against those cops
Speaker 1: was high test jet fuel.
Speaker 2: I would be based in my cell and I would
Speaker 2: just put Costyledo in that steel cage and I would
Speaker 2: light the whole thing on fire. I put barbarier on
Speaker 2: the top, and I would have steel bats with barbier
Speaker 2: around him. And in my head, yeah, and it would
Speaker 2: help me feel better.
Speaker 1: He kept filing motions, hoping that something, anything would stick.
Speaker 2: I'm just motion proliferation and dilatory tactics and I'm stolen,
Speaker 2: so all of this stuff, I know is like hail
Speaker 2: Mary stuff. But I'm not ready and i don't want
Speaker 2: my life to end.
Speaker 1: And then at some point Anthony changed directions. Instead of
Speaker 1: fixing on the cops, he turned to what those cops
Speaker 1: had missed, because if he didn't kill Josette, someone else
Speaker 1: certainly had get access to his case file from the
Speaker 1: Putnam Sheriff's office. Over and over, he read the cops
Speaker 1: notes and witness statements, parsing them for unexamined clues, and
Speaker 1: what he found this time through was a name he'd overlooked,
Speaker 1: the name of a man lurking in the margins, wired
Speaker 1: on Folger's crystals and backlaff and Anthony spread out in
Speaker 1: a cell at night. He stayed up so late reading
Speaker 1: his own case file that he slept through roll call
Speaker 1: many mornings and got written up by the guards. But
Speaker 1: he couldn't help himself. He kept finding clues that snapped together.
Speaker 1: The first of those clues was a witness statement from
Speaker 1: one of Josette's neighbors. Her name was Anita Albano, and
Speaker 1: she talked to the cops on November twenty fifth, nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety five, three days after Josette's bones were found.
Speaker 2: This lady, Anita Albanon. She's coming home from work on
Speaker 2: October third, nineteen ninety four, of.
Speaker 1: Course, was the day Josette went missing. Albano was driving
Speaker 1: home from work when she stopped at an intersection.
Speaker 2: This little corner Seminary Hill and Willow is a stone
Speaker 2: store away from the White House, maybe a six minute
Speaker 2: walk at best.
Speaker 1: There she saw Josette walking down the road. Suddenly, a
Speaker 1: sporty red car stopped beside her.
Speaker 2: Josette speaks to the driver for half a minute maybe
Speaker 2: a minute, and then runs around to the passenger side
Speaker 2: gets in. I guess they weren't getting in fast enough
Speaker 2: because it seemed like Albano drove around them. But as
Speaker 2: she's driving around them, she looks at the license plate
Speaker 2: because she's concerned.
Speaker 1: That little red car at Connecticut plate, said Albano, who
Speaker 1: paused to get a look at the driver get a
Speaker 1: full mustache and blonde hair. She said everything in her
Speaker 1: statement track what other witnesses said about the day Josette
Speaker 1: went missing. Her sisters and their friends eached all the
Speaker 1: cops that Josette left the aus at three forty five
Speaker 1: headed towards Seminary Hill Road. That's where Albana saw her
Speaker 1: a few minutes later, heading down that.
Speaker 2: Road at four pm. She's getting in a red car.
Speaker 2: There certainly wasn't a brown van with a six foot
Speaker 2: six anthony depitball.
Speaker 3: It was a red car with Connecticut plates. Albana was
Speaker 3: alarmed that Josette got into that car, but from the
Speaker 3: look of it, she said, Josette knew the driver and
Speaker 3: seemed happy to hop in with him. The cops taking
Speaker 3: her statement shown her a photo lineup.
Speaker 2: She is then brought a photo array of six individuals.
Speaker 1: The six loosely fitter description. Each was assigned to number
Speaker 1: one through six. Albana studied the mugshots she said the
Speaker 1: guy she saw driving that day look younger than his mugshot,
Speaker 1: but she pointed to his photo anyway.
Speaker 2: And in this photo ray she says, if anybody number two,
Speaker 2: she she picks number two, if anybody, and then number
Speaker 2: two was Howard Dombern.
Speaker 1: Reading through file, Anthony saw that other Putnam detectives not
Speaker 1: Castaldo and Quick picked up the Albano lead and ran
Speaker 1: with it. They brought in Gombert's girlfriend, a young woman
Speaker 1: will call Anne Marie, but I'm like Costaldo and Quick.
Speaker 1: Those detectives made a recording. If the take sounds a
Speaker 1: little fuzzy, remember it's been sitting in a drawer for
Speaker 1: decades to money soon get and Marie told those cops
Speaker 1: she met Gombert when she was just a teen, that
Speaker 1: she got pregnant by him when she was sixteen or so,
Speaker 1: that he was almost thirty at the time. She said
Speaker 1: they shared a little girl together, and then she started
Speaker 1: dropping bombs on those cops. He said he did whatever
Speaker 1: he wanted to answer her question was ask questions for years.
Speaker 1: She said Gombert had raped her, then they were all beatings,
Speaker 1: and the times he choked her till she passed out.
Speaker 1: She said she'd left many times, and even had him
Speaker 1: arrested for rape. But he'd always wriggle out of those jams,
Speaker 1: and then he'd stalk her and hunter down again. When
Speaker 1: was the last time, cops asked her? Six months ago,
Speaker 1: She said she'd fled with their toddler to a shelter
Speaker 1: in Connecticut, but he tracked her there and attacked her
Speaker 1: in her car. What did he do to you, asked
Speaker 1: the cops. He put a knife to my throat, she said,
Speaker 1: and told me not to scream, and then then she
Speaker 1: laid the big one on them. She told them she
Speaker 1: drove a Pontiac's Sunbird, a red and black sports car
Speaker 1: with Connecticut plates.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 1: That he drove her car all the time. In fact,
Speaker 1: he'd been driving it the day they saw missing posters
Speaker 1: with Josette's name and face on them. And Marie saw
Speaker 1: that poster and the deli she went to every day.
Speaker 4: This was the first time I noticed the posters. They
Speaker 4: just put that poster up and to get picture she
Speaker 4: won the name again, he said.
Speaker 1: She told the cops that after seeing the missing poster,
Speaker 1: she went back to the car and told Howard about it.
Speaker 4: Well, I went back to the car. I told him
Speaker 4: and he was always driving. I went into the daylight
Speaker 4: to get a coffee and I'm looking and then sell
Speaker 4: the names. So that's missing, he said.
Speaker 1: What, and that she and Howard knew Josette and Anne
Speaker 1: Marie told the cops about this. One time before Josette
Speaker 1: went missing. She and Howard went driving one day when
Speaker 1: they saw Josette walking with some friends. She said, Howard
Speaker 1: hit the brakes, pulled over to chat her up.
Speaker 4: Buying me, stopped and we talked to him.
Speaker 2: Who who stopped?
Speaker 4: Howard stopped talking to drive.
Speaker 1: It was a reasonable stopped.
Speaker 4: He tasked off the card and jose Saws wanted to
Speaker 4: talk to her.
Speaker 1: She told them Howard asked Josette if she wanted a
Speaker 1: babysit for him.
Speaker 4: So that's when I actually remember conversing with her about
Speaker 4: being him.
Speaker 1: Oh and one last thing she said. That day they
Speaker 1: saw the missing posters, Howard told Anne Marie he'd given
Speaker 1: Joseph a ride.
Speaker 4: Was it last week?
Speaker 1: When did he give her that ride? Asked the cops.
Speaker 1: Em Marie paused a moment to think the week before
Speaker 1: she went missing. In his cell at Hwangong, Anthony read
Speaker 1: a Marie's statement, then stopped and read it again and again.
Speaker 1: He found photos in the case file of the red
Speaker 1: Sunbird with Connecticut plates the cargomber drove all the time.
Speaker 1: There was a statement from John Reese, the Putnam Sheriff's detective.
Speaker 1: He towed her red car in and dismantled it to
Speaker 1: hunt for evidence. When did he do that?
Speaker 2: Four days after Josette's body was found, taken apart, tires off,
Speaker 2: the seats out, vacuum, all the breeze are collected.
Speaker 1: A diagram showed he'd scrape the car for forensics. There
Speaker 1: was an note attached from Reese about collected and saved contents,
Speaker 1: but his list of those contents was nowhere to be found.
Speaker 1: And then Anthony found a statement from Josette's sister, Chloe.
Speaker 1: She told the cops that Josette was hanging around Gombert
Speaker 1: and that there were rumors flying around town about him,
Speaker 1: that he'd raped a young girl. And then Anthony found
Speaker 1: a statement that topped them all. It was scribbled by
Speaker 1: one of the cops who'd gone to the right household
Speaker 1: the day they found Josette's bones in the woods. Susan,
Speaker 1: Josette's mom, answered the door. They delivered the awful news
Speaker 1: to her and the very first words out of Susan
Speaker 1: Wright's mouth, oh my God, Howard Gombert killed my daughter.
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