WEBVTT - Chapter 4 | Cemetery for the Living Man 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:05.160 This series includes sensitive and potentially distressing topics, including sexual 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:14.880 assault and abuse involving children. Listener discretion is advised. Prison 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:18.279 is like a cemetery for a living man. It's like 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:22.320 everybody is a shadow of themselves, a shell ghost. 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:25.000 Some of those people with life. You look in their 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:28.880 eyes and there is nothing, nothing good to say, nothing 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:30.080 good to feel. 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:36.080 A couple of months after his conviction for the murder 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:41.000 of Josette Wright, Anthony was transferred to Downstate Correctional. It's 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:43.519 where they process new inmates into the system. 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:50.159 I went in young, unprepared, not as tough as I 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:53.840 thought I was. When I got to Downstate, the counselor 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:56.560 threatened me. The counselor, he says, you're going to have 0:00:56.600 --> 0:00:58.600 a really bad time. Only how do you mean on 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:01.360 sign indoors. It's like, yeah, sure, you're not going to 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:02.520 have a good, good life. 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:07.160 His first day at Downstay corroborated that counselor. 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:12.360 It's two hours in and there's I don't know one 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:15.759 hundred of us, and you know they're doing the spread 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:18.959 your cheeks and then it shaved your hair, your eyebrows, 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:22.240 all facial hair off. The next thing they did is 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:24.960 they made us, all undressed, all naked in one line, 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:29.240 and they threw the shit they call lie the lauser. 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:31.800 They're taking a picture and now here I look like 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:37.120 freaking mini me. So it's like you're being processed, you 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:40.080 as a human being and a factory of other human beings. 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:43.840 You're you're moving the way they tell you. They put 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:46.480 you on a line, they give you your clothes, you're 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:50.640 giving an inmate ID number. Mine was nine seven eight 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:54.760 five six three nine. You had to walk in two rows, 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:58.960 paired off side by side in groups of forty. If 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:01.720 you felt back a little bit, they would say something 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:06.000 like patch it up on the left retard or if 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:07.960 somebody was talking to me, like what part of no 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:12.040 talking in my hallway do you not understand? And so 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:16.160 I started hearing these direct orders from this foul place. 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:21.280 Somebody says sim laughs about something that unacceptable. There will 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:24.000 be quiet, and there would be water, and they would 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:26.440 take guys that did these things, and then you would 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:30.520 hear them beaten in screen. Well, I'm not gonna say nothing. 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:39.880 It was in places like downstate pens built to terrorize 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:44.320 entry level felon into a life of learned submission that 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:56.560 Anthony would have to learn how to save his own life. 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:05.680 My man left my fears. 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:12.120 Narrow Depth r Nless. 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:16.120 Valley. 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:46.400 This is the Devil's Quarry. In the fall of nineteen 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:50.320 ninety seven, Anthony was sent up top That's what inmates 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:53.400 called the Max Security Pens in northern New York State. 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:57.960 His new address, SHAWANNGA Correctional was where they kept the 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:01.840 worst of the worst. David Berkowitz, better known as the 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:07.480 son of Sam Robert Chambers, the Central Park strangler Larry Davis, 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:09.840 who shot six cops in the Bronx and lived to 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:13.280 tell the tale. In a crowd like that, you keep 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:17.040 yourself to yourself, and if anyone asks what you're in for, 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:19.359 you lie your full head off. 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:23.400 I was like for the first six or eight months 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:27.040 it was a robbery and murder, So I kind of 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:31.359 altered the story to kind of protect myself from like 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:35.200 having to explain it. But eventually your case comes out 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:38.400 in a lot of books and people find out and 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:39.359 people talk. 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:43.279 He didn't have to guess what happened to the untouchables. 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:45.799 You had a front row seat for that stuff. 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:51.240 Like, I seen a lot of stuff happening, like a 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:55.719 violent stuff. I seen a guy pick a guy up 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:57.720 out of a wheelchair, start fighting him and put them 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:01.200 back in a wheelchair. I seen two guys fighting over 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:05.160 a state burrito upstairs, slamming each other into the cages. 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:08.920 I see a guy on a weight bench cut what 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:11.200 made a Nike sign on the kid's face while he 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:18.039 was under about two twenty five. Yeah, I mean, I've 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:19.920 seen enough blood to fill a bathtub. 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:25.440 Anthony knew his day was coming, the day he'd have 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:28.880 to fight three gangsters in the shower or someone would 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:31.800 slip behind him with a straight edge. He lived in 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:35.160 a state of low level terror. It's one thing to 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:39.280 hulk slam your backyard buddies, it's another to fend off 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:42.880 lifers who squat four fifty and who conspire with the 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:46.880 guards to get at you. In short, you don't survive 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:49.240 up top without a break or two coming your way. 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:52.640 Anthony's break came to him out of the clear blue. 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:55.200 He met some guys who knew the guy and the 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:58.760 mafia there. And what was Anthony's calling card to the 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:04.520 crime boss at Schewana his stepdad, Big Larry. 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:08.280 There was a couple people and I knew my stepfather, 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:12.000 And then there was this guy. His name was Angelo, 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:16.919 and he was high up in Cazies. He knew some 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:21.480 people that knew some people right, and those people knew 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:22.120 my people. 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:25.440 Anthony put out word that he wanted to sit down 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:29.520 with Angelo. That request went up the chain and Anthony 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:32.760 got to sit down. He went with every scrap of 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:35.960 proof he had that the cops had stitched him up. 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:40.080 Like I brought out the dominic recantation Adam taking his 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:40.880 story back. 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:44.880 He told him how Andy was tricked into a false confession, 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:48.960 how his buddy said they were beaten into testifying against him, 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:56.080 and they believed. After hearing him out, the Italians made 0:06:56.080 --> 0:07:00.400 their ruling. This kid gets a pass, so hands off. 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:05.560 When you got to pass with. 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:10.960 Your own kind, that kind things falling water. It didn't 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:12.840 mean it put me at the top of the food chain. 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:16.360 But no longer am I at the bottom. And so 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:19.720 now not only are they like giving me a pass, 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:22.320 they're like they're calling me to the table. They're breaking 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:25.160 bread with me now. And so it's like I feel 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:27.760 a little safer, like when it was happy birthday, some 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:31.400 happy birthday, when it was Christmas, they brought out buffets 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:32.960 of chips and cookkies. 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:36.640 It surely didn't hurt that every couple of weeks you'd 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:40.040 get a big care package from home, a cart and 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:43.760 crame with goodies. He'd chair with a crew h salams 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:48.240 and soprisadas, tubs of dried fruits. Then there was the 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:53.080 stuff that really opened doors, crisp copies of penthouse and hustler. 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:55.960 Those are the kinds of goods that make you a 0:07:56.040 --> 0:08:03.400 vip in D block Able to finally let it bread out, 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:07.520 Anthony got back to the job of living, started training 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:10.559 in the jail yard every day, building a brick house, 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:11.760 chest and quads. 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:14.320 It's where he met some of the other guys on 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:17.360 his tier. I had a friend of mine. His name 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:20.480 was muk Mehan and he was his big Muslim guy. 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:22.640 But he was in a wheelchair. He just lost the 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:26.520 body function from the waist down. He was military police 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:29.600 Vietnam VET. And believe me, he looked like he walked 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:32.840 right out of a Black Expectation film. If he had 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:35.800 a soundtrack, it would be like Dan and Dan then 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:39.280 and then and then. 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:41.400 And he was so cool. 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.000 Mook was one of my best friends I ever met 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:44.559 in jail. 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:48.880 Anthony got good and tight with Mook enough so that 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:51.840 Mook shared a secret with him. He had a little 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:55.560 helper that got him through the day. Nothing illegal, mind you. 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:59.680 It was actually prescribed by the prison doctors. A muscle 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:03.240 relied some called backlaffin for his muscle spasms. 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:06.600 So he had like they would give him like ninety 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:09.240 a month, and he'd be like, Yo, you should try 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:11.839 to I I'll try it. We should try. I'm telling 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:15.200 you you feel better. Finally like, yeah, I'm gonna take him. 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:17.800 I don't know if it was like you know what 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:21.920 like beta blockers do for college kids, but if you 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:25.280 take ten of them with two heaping spoons of Folger's 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:31.000 crystals down the throat, you're gonna be When I was 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:33.640 doing with the backlaffins, I mix it with the coffee. 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:36.520 I would take like Folgers, and I would put just 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:38.600 a little bit of water in a lot of the 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:42.680 crystals to get like a super dose of caffeine late 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:45.440 at night, and that would kind of counterbalance the down 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:49.200 effect of the backliffin. So I was like high and 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:54.120 feeling good, but focus. And with that focus came a 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:58.600 Russian agency. They urged to fight back to clear his name. 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:02.640 A kid he'd had no shot against the Putnam cops, 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:05.400 but now with a clear head, and this day is 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:08.000 free to work. He was ready to take them on 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:11.240 to get hold of his case file and read every 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:15.040 work twice, then dig for the facts that weren't in 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:20.560 that file. I stopped waiting, lifting so much, I could 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:22.480 only do one in the other. I was either going 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:25.600 to be the best looking, most macho man in history 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:28.840 or I was going home. Because I only had that 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:32.880 much time, and so I dedicated my focus on my freedom. 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:36.920 What the drugs did was kind of like re resurrect 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:40.839 like my will. It gave me a passion to do 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:44.480 the research late at night, and I took them and 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:48.640 I became a freaking genius. 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:52.960 For all its reputation, there's a dumb site for psychos. 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:57.319 Shwangong had a library he was proud of. There, Anthony, 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:00.840 a guy who'd failed the ninth grade twice, found a 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:05.040 full set of texts called the Case Law Reporters. Curious, 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:07.560 he pulled a volume off the shelf and started on 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:10.880 page one. By the time he looked up again, it 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:15.760 was dark outside and Anthony was bewitched. Here in his 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:19.840 hands was a starter kit for aspiring self taught lawyers. 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:22.839 In a matter of months, he went from ninth grade 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:25.320 kickout to dep Lock's legal eagle. 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:28.800 I started sleeping all day like the hurricane. 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:32.760 That would be Reuben Hurricane Carter, the great middleweight frame 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:36.160 for murder in New Jersey. He'd famously written his way 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:38.600 out of prison by becoming a jail house lawyer. 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:42.080 And I would stay up at night and I would study, 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:45.400 and I would print all these papers out from the 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:47.959 law library. I would just love to learn the law. 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:50.720 I had little highlighters, and I had little notebooks, and 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:54.199 I started thinking. And when I started connecting the facts 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:57.280 and the hope and the law as it applies, as 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:59.960 it should be applied, and I see a way out, 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:04.920 I get very hopeful and very dreamy, and I kind 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:08.440 of create my own kind of euphoria. And you know, 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:11.640 it wasn't a fantasy. It drove me, It inspired me. 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:13.680 It was part of a chain of things in my 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:16.320 life that led me to learn this law. 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:20.000 As a fixture in those stacks, he found his tribe 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:21.720 of jail house lawyers. 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:26.079 And so like, in prison, it's like a cemetery for 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:30.000 a living man. But the people that are innocent, the 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:33.199 people that are fighting, the people that had hope, had 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:36.960 a different level of energy. These are the people that 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:38.720 I need to be around. These are the people that 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:44.920 are focused. And they were all learning together and something 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:47.320 new came out and we all had ways of sharing 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:50.720 the knowledge. Everybody followed the new laws, the advance sheets, 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:54.360 the law journals, anything that came out, and they just 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:59.720 had the heart and that was the only way out. 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:04.800 He spent the first couple of years there framing an appeal. 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:08.400 Big Larry had hired him new lawyers. 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:14.320 So in ninety eight we hired Joel Brenner, and Joel 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:19.480 was just this legendary old appeal monster whose name is 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:22.800 all over these books. I mean, you guys might know 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:25.120 too much about him on the street, but in the 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:28.160 jailhouse he's a legend. You know, you want to go 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:31.280 to like the guy that is going to get the 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:34.920 job done. So Larry hires him. 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:38.720 From his jail cell. Anthony work morning and night writing 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:40.240 and revising that petition. 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:44.840 There's about twelve to thirteen points. A couple of those 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:48.520 points are broken, and we argue when you say points, 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:51.160 you're talking about, well, when you file an appeal, you 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.599 raise points of law. So these points of law, or 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:57.199 you know, you want to break it down and give 0:13:57.280 --> 0:14:00.920 the court. You know the basis of your claim and 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:04.400 how that law supports you, and how you didn't have 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:05.600 a fair trial. 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:09.720 There's a format to follow in a post conviction relief appeal. 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:13.280 Even if you find clear proof of your innocence, you 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:15.760 still have to show the court that your conviction broke 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:16.280 the law. 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:22.200 So our first it's a statement of facts, basically summarizing 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:25.760 the trial. And then our point one is the evidence 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:30.080 was legally insufficient and Denise rose. The weight of the 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:32.240 evidence goes into the verdict as a matter of law. 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:36.200 Second point is the erroneous decision of the trial court 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:38.240 to preclude dominic neglia. 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:42.160 Domin neglia, your recall was kept off the stand by 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:46.360 the judge at Anthony's trial. This despite the fact that 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:50.120 he'd invented the story to put the cops on Anthony's trail. 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:55.080 The impact of that story was immense. Domb didn't just 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:58.400 put Anthony and Andy in the frame. He also gave 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:01.680 those cops the names of their Stone Her friends kids 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:05.160 like Adam Wilson and Bill McGregor, whom the cops then 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:10.320 stalked and coerced. Wilson at least had recanted at trial. 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:13.640 He told the jury the story of those cops coercion, 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:17.720 but MacGregor at grudging we played along. He signed a 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:21.840 statement that the Putnam cops wrote out and testified against 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:26.240 Anthony at his trial, but his testimony would haunt McGregor 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:29.520 for a decade. In two thousand and five, a pair 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:33.320 of investigators hired by Big Larry tracked him down in Florida. 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:37.680 When they did, Bill told him he had a confession 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:38.080 to make. 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:41.600 Bill is like, I've been waiting to say this for 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:44.520 quite some time. I have a lot on my chest, 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:48.760 and you know, first of all, I wasn't there. I 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:51.960 first time I met Denise Rose was when the cops 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:55.240 introduced her to me and tried to have her convince 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:57.920 me of this story. I never met Josette right a 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:00.120 day in my life. I wasn't in that vain and 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:01.400 I did not see nothing. 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:06.840 He said that those cops coerced him, dragged him up 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:11.560 to Putnam County from Manhattan, detained and questioned him, and 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:15.200 flipped between threatening him with a murder count and offering 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:17.480 to a RaSE a pending drug charge he had in 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:17.960 New York. 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:21.200 He's like, he told me that he threatened me with 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:22.760 accomplished to murder. 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:29.320 McGregor signed and swore out of full recantation. So now 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:33.760 three of the four witnesses allegedly I'm that fan, Andy Krevak, 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:39.280 Bill McGregor Adam Wilson had recanted their coerce statements. 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:42.880 I got three in the four. Yeah, I got three 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:43.360 out of four. 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:48.560 That left one last witness, Denise Rose, standing by your 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:55.520 testimony in court. Alas, at this point in two thousand 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:59.800 and five, Big Larry ran out of money. He'd been 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:04.800 fed Anthony's defense for nine long years, paying expensive lawyers 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:08.800 and private eyes, but his business had run aground and 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:10.399 he had to tap out for a while. 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:14.040 Big Larry is like, I can't pay. I'm having money problems. 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:18.600 I can't pay for warriors anymore. So I it's me. 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:21.240 I'm on my own here. 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:26.680 So Anthony filed the next motion based on McGregor's recantation, 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:30.639 and then he filed another motion setting all the cops' 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:35.600 missteps and the many omissions from his case file. After 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:40.160 months of drafting and redrafting motions for an appeal, Anthony 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:44.920 wound up nowhere with the courts. Each rejection left him gutted, 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:50.200 but never out of gas. His rage against those cops 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:51.879 was high test jet fuel. 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:55.359 I would be based in my cell and I would 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:58.600 just put Costyledo in that steel cage and I would 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.040 light the whole thing on fire. I put barbarier on 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:04.960 the top, and I would have steel bats with barbier 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:08.160 around him. And in my head, yeah, and it would 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:09.040 help me feel better. 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:15.280 He kept filing motions, hoping that something, anything would stick. 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:21.040 I'm just motion proliferation and dilatory tactics and I'm stolen, 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:23.400 so all of this stuff, I know is like hail 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:26.200 Mary stuff. But I'm not ready and i don't want 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:27.000 my life to end. 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:32.800 And then at some point Anthony changed directions. Instead of 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:35.600 fixing on the cops, he turned to what those cops 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:39.240 had missed, because if he didn't kill Josette, someone else 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:43.080 certainly had get access to his case file from the 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:46.760 Putnam Sheriff's office. Over and over, he read the cops 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:52.480 notes and witness statements, parsing them for unexamined clues, and 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:56.400 what he found this time through was a name he'd overlooked, 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:16.679 the name of a man lurking in the margins, wired 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:20.280 on Folger's crystals and backlaff and Anthony spread out in 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:23.399 a cell at night. He stayed up so late reading 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:26.000 his own case file that he slept through roll call 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:29.560 many mornings and got written up by the guards. But 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:34.000 he couldn't help himself. He kept finding clues that snapped together. 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:37.640 The first of those clues was a witness statement from 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:42.159 one of Josette's neighbors. Her name was Anita Albano, and 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:45.120 she talked to the cops on November twenty fifth, nineteen 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:49.479 ninety five, three days after Josette's bones were found. 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:56.639 This lady, Anita Albanon. She's coming home from work on 0:19:56.760 --> 0:20:00.080 October third, nineteen ninety four, of. 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:03.919 Course, was the day Josette went missing. Albano was driving 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:06.480 home from work when she stopped at an intersection. 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:10.399 This little corner Seminary Hill and Willow is a stone 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:13.359 store away from the White House, maybe a six minute 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:14.200 walk at best. 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:19.200 There she saw Josette walking down the road. Suddenly, a 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:21.440 sporty red car stopped beside her. 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:26.359 Josette speaks to the driver for half a minute maybe 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:28.760 a minute, and then runs around to the passenger side 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:32.680 gets in. I guess they weren't getting in fast enough 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:36.480 because it seemed like Albano drove around them. But as 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:39.960 she's driving around them, she looks at the license plate 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:41.879 because she's concerned. 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:46.560 That little red car at Connecticut plate, said Albano, who 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:49.639 paused to get a look at the driver get a 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:55.040 full mustache and blonde hair. She said everything in her 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:58.359 statement track what other witnesses said about the day Josette 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:02.080 went missing. Her sisters and their friends eached all the 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:05.399 cops that Josette left the aus at three forty five 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:10.800 headed towards Seminary Hill Road. That's where Albana saw her 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:13.520 a few minutes later, heading down that. 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:17.639 Road at four pm. She's getting in a red car. 0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:22.320 There certainly wasn't a brown van with a six foot 0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:25.200 six anthony depitball. 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:30.480 It was a red car with Connecticut plates. Albana was 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:33.840 alarmed that Josette got into that car, but from the 0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:36.399 look of it, she said, Josette knew the driver and 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:39.560 seemed happy to hop in with him. The cops taking 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:41.560 her statement shown her a photo lineup. 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:46.399 She is then brought a photo array of six individuals. 0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:51.639 The six loosely fitter description. Each was assigned to number 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:56.720 one through six. Albana studied the mugshots she said the 0:21:56.720 --> 0:21:59.960 guy she saw driving that day look younger than his mugshot, 0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:02.920 but she pointed to his photo anyway. 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:08.360 And in this photo ray she says, if anybody number two, 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:14.840 she she picks number two, if anybody, and then number 0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:16.680 two was Howard Dombern. 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:27.560 Reading through file, Anthony saw that other Putnam detectives not 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:31.080 Castaldo and Quick picked up the Albano lead and ran 0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:34.879 with it. They brought in Gombert's girlfriend, a young woman 0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:38.960 will call Anne Marie, but I'm like Costaldo and Quick. 0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:42.480 Those detectives made a recording. If the take sounds a 0:22:42.480 --> 0:22:45.520 little fuzzy, remember it's been sitting in a drawer for 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:53.119 decades to money soon get and Marie told those cops 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:56.280 she met Gombert when she was just a teen, that 0:22:56.359 --> 0:22:59.600 she got pregnant by him when she was sixteen or so, 0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:02.800 that he was almost thirty at the time. She said 0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:06.199 they shared a little girl together, and then she started 0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:15.680 dropping bombs on those cops. He said he did whatever 0:23:15.800 --> 0:23:26.879 he wanted to answer her question was ask questions for years. 0:23:26.880 --> 0:23:30.800 She said Gombert had raped her, then they were all beatings, 0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:33.680 and the times he choked her till she passed out. 0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:37.479 She said she'd left many times, and even had him 0:23:37.560 --> 0:23:41.320 arrested for rape. But he'd always wriggle out of those jams, 0:23:42.160 --> 0:23:45.720 and then he'd stalk her and hunter down again. When 0:23:45.840 --> 0:23:49.440 was the last time, cops asked her? Six months ago, 0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:52.879 She said she'd fled with their toddler to a shelter 0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:56.520 in Connecticut, but he tracked her there and attacked her 0:23:56.520 --> 0:23:59.639 in her car. What did he do to you, asked 0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:03.399 the cops. He put a knife to my throat, she said, 0:24:04.080 --> 0:24:08.439 and told me not to scream, and then then she 0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:11.680 laid the big one on them. She told them she 0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:15.440 drove a Pontiac's Sunbird, a red and black sports car 0:24:15.560 --> 0:24:22.520 with Connecticut plates. 0:24:18.680 --> 0:24:18.760 And. 0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:25.640 That he drove her car all the time. In fact, 0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:28.400 he'd been driving it the day they saw missing posters 0:24:28.440 --> 0:24:32.200 with Josette's name and face on them. And Marie saw 0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:34.680 that poster and the deli she went to every day. 0:24:35.840 --> 0:24:39.080 This was the first time I noticed the posters. They 0:24:39.280 --> 0:24:42.040 just put that poster up and to get picture she 0:24:42.200 --> 0:24:45.639 won the name again, he said. 0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:49.600 She told the cops that after seeing the missing poster, 0:24:49.960 --> 0:24:52.520 she went back to the car and told Howard about it. 0:24:53.520 --> 0:24:57.240 Well, I went back to the car. I told him 0:24:57.640 --> 0:25:00.840 and he was always driving. I went into the daylight 0:25:00.880 --> 0:25:03.760 to get a coffee and I'm looking and then sell 0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:06.960 the names. So that's missing, he said. 0:25:06.800 --> 0:25:12.879 What, and that she and Howard knew Josette and Anne 0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:16.639 Marie told the cops about this. One time before Josette 0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:20.160 went missing. She and Howard went driving one day when 0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:23.960 they saw Josette walking with some friends. She said, Howard 0:25:24.040 --> 0:25:27.040 hit the brakes, pulled over to chat her up. 0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:31.720 Buying me, stopped and we talked to him. 0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:32.479