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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is known. They called

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Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our superproducer Alexis

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Speaker 1: code named Dot Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 1: You are here. That makes this the stuff they don't

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Speaker 1: want you to know. Uh, folks. As we said before,

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Speaker 1: August is always a busy month for your pals over

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Speaker 1: we're all officially back ish in the States. We're going

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Speaker 1: to be back in Atlanta altogether pretty soon. But the

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Speaker 1: show goes on. So we're returning to you with were

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Speaker 1: Strange News and Matt Well. I think you guys both

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Speaker 1: had run ins before with the experience I described in

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Speaker 1: the in the original Strange News, which is it can

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Speaker 1: be so devilish lee difficult to find just one story sometimes.

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Speaker 1: And we've got we've got a backlog right because we

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Speaker 1: had some classic episodes last week in place of Strange

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Speaker 1: News and listener mail segments. But we're coming with some

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Speaker 1: fire today. Well, yeah, yeah, we're super kind to you know,

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Speaker 1: get started. Then mine is a little bit stale, if

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Speaker 1: And then you went somewhere completely different with that, and

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Speaker 1: I respect you for it. Man, Well, thank you. Uh,

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Speaker 1: we're jumping to some news from July eight two comes

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Speaker 1: from AP News, written by Samantha Hendrickson. Title of the

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Speaker 1: story is feces mailed to Ohio GOP lawmakers Post Office Investigates. Well,

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Speaker 1: we've we've talked about things that have been sent through

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Speaker 1: old Ted Kazinski, probably the most dangerous of the people

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Speaker 1: and events that we've spoken about when it comes to

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Speaker 1: what happens with our our mail and the heroic people

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Speaker 1: Thank you to everybody out there listening that does that

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Speaker 1: or is doing it now right. Some of our folks

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Speaker 1: are on deliveries that is correct from Amazon to what

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Speaker 1: dhl uspsd X know your neighborhood corner guy even might

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Speaker 1: Even then you might not be aware because it could

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Speaker 1: just be contaminated with fecal matter and not you know,

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Speaker 1: smell like the full thing. In this story, it discusses

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Speaker 1: how twenty five individual state Republican senators in one week

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Speaker 1: Here's the deal too. It wasn't like it was some

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Speaker 1: the lead here again. The fact of the matter is

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Speaker 1: in the big part of the story is that Facebook

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Speaker 1: gave over these direct messages, these private messages between these

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Speaker 1: two users, you know. Um, and they did it in

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Speaker 1: response to a warrant. Metas did come out with a

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Speaker 1: statement to Motherboard to do the initial reporting on this thing.

433
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Speaker 1: Nothing in the valid warrant through received from local law

434
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Speaker 1: enforcement in early June prior to the Supreme Court decision

435
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Speaker 1: mentioned abortion. The warrants concerned charges related to a criminal investigation,

436
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Speaker 1: and court documents indicate that police at the time were

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Speaker 1: investigating the case of a stillborn baby who was burned

438
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Speaker 1: and buried, not a decision to have an abortion. Both

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Speaker 1: of these warrants were originally accompanied by non disclosure orders,

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Speaker 1: which prevented us from sharing any information about them. The

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Speaker 1: orders have now been lifted. Another Metas Books person tweeted

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Speaker 1: this is from the Motherboard article and identical statement, shortly

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Speaker 1: before the company contacted Motherboard with this comment. Um, So

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Speaker 1: I don't know. This is really messy on so many levels.

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Speaker 1: I really want to hear you guys, thoughts, because it

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Speaker 1: does appear that the warrants were served before the Supreme

447
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Speaker 1: Court decision it was handed down, but that they handed

448
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Speaker 1: over the messages after the timeline is a little a

449
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Speaker 1: little tricky yet honestly metas position in this case is

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Speaker 1: that they are legally required to comply with those sorts

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Speaker 1: of warrants, and that part, unfortunately, is true. I agree

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Speaker 1: with you that the timeline is messy, and their their

453
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Speaker 1: statement regarding this has triggered this conversation about whether or

454
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Speaker 1: not they knew they were talking. They were giving police

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Speaker 1: information about an alleged illegal abortion. But still with that,

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Speaker 1: you have to wonder did they get the warrant and

457
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Speaker 1: then just say, Okay, we're giving profile info, we're giving

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Speaker 1: d M info, but we're not reading it ourselves. Like,

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Speaker 1: what what's the process there? Because the argument seems to

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Speaker 1: say that they themselves did not connect the dots between

461
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Speaker 1: condemning this person right and just complying with a warrant.

462
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Speaker 1: And and again, you know, it's a it's an interesting

463
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Speaker 1: argument because as far as I can tell, they would

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Speaker 1: be required right to comply with a warrant. You can't

465
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Speaker 1: just say no, that was a question that I had

466
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Speaker 1: and Matt, you know, I know you've brought stories to

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Speaker 1: the table in the past, or you've definitely been something

468
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Speaker 1: that I know has been on your radar UM involving

469
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Speaker 1: Apple and there end to end encryption UM when it

470
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Speaker 1: comes to eye message and you know, like text messages

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Speaker 1: between iPhone users UM, and they have what's called end

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Speaker 1: to end encryption, and there was that whole story, Uh,

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Speaker 1: I think you brought I can't remember exactly, but I

474
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Speaker 1: know them we've talked about where there was that shooter

475
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Speaker 1: UM and the government was trying to petition Apple to

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Speaker 1: like write like a back door, UH, so they could

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Speaker 1: get access to the the guy's phone UM because like

478
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Speaker 1: Apple even can't do it if they don't have the password,

479
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Speaker 1: and they were saying they wouldn't do it because it

480
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Speaker 1: would like it we could potentially, like you know, be

481
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Speaker 1: a vulnerability for like all of their users. I think

482
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Speaker 1: that one was specifically about getting into his phone. UM.

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Speaker 1: But also like Facebook, I just found this page that

484
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Speaker 1: says describes what does intend encryption? How does it work?

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Speaker 1: And Facebook on their own website describes it as uh,

486
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Speaker 1: it has extra security and protection to your messages and

487
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Speaker 1: calls and uh, and calls in a conversation so that

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Speaker 1: only you and whoever you're talking to you can see it.

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Speaker 1: And then it says no one can read your messages

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Speaker 1: or hear your calls. Accept the people who have these

491
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Speaker 1: special keys, because that's what the encryption key. Not even Facebook,

492
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Speaker 1: We couldn't even if we wanted to. Has something changed

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Speaker 1: since this fact was written. I don't understand how they're

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Speaker 1: able to say that they use end in encryption and

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Speaker 1: messenger and then give over specific d M s like

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Speaker 1: that when they say that they don't have the key.

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Speaker 1: That's a good question, but unfortunately I don't have the answer.

498
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Speaker 1: I've watched some really helpful videos on how end and

499
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Speaker 1: encryption works, and it is fascinating and theoretically that is correct.

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Speaker 1: What what you just read where it would be physically

501
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Speaker 1: impossible for someone to read those secured messages unless they

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Speaker 1: had the specific keys, right, because you need two keys

503
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Speaker 1: to to send it and read it to you need

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00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: two keys to read it on either end. Right. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's really cool the way messages get sent. I think

506
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Speaker 1: it's a lock box example that you can find on

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Speaker 1: YouTube right now, where I think we mentioned this on

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Speaker 1: the show before you can watch online. It's it shows

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Speaker 1: how if you put certain locks in a like you've

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Speaker 1: got three, three or four keys, I think that actually

511
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Speaker 1: are required to send a secure end end message like that.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a feature. I think it's sort of

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Speaker 1: like you know, having like private browsing in your Chrome,

514
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Speaker 1: you know tabs. I think you have to like specifically said,

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Speaker 1: I don't think all Facebook messages are end to end

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Speaker 1: encrypted because there's a section on this help center for

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Speaker 1: a messenger this says secret conversations, and then it goes

518
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Speaker 1: into all this stuff, and I think it's like a

519
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: like I like, I like a teacher. Here's what I'll add.

520
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: You should assume that anything you do on the internet

521
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Speaker 1: will one day become public knowledge. There is no real

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Speaker 1: secrecy that you can safely assume, even honestly. Yes, if

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Speaker 1: you look at the nuts and bolts technically of a

524
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: lot of end to end encryption. UM, I'm a big fan,

525
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: as you guys know. I'm always trying to get us

526
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: to move our group chat to things like signal or telegram,

527
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: uh for these reasons. But you cannot assume, you just

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Speaker 1: you simply cannot safely assume at this point that anything

529
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: you do online is private, okay to put a to

530
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: put a fine point on a conspiracy realist, all the

531
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: stuff you don't want people to know you're clicking on

532
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: at three am. Someone knows whether it's your I s P,

533
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: whether it's five Eyes, whether it's your pal interned Steve

534
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: as we're gonna learn later this week. Everybody's got one.

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00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: So I don't know. It's terrible though, that this applies

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Speaker 1: to people who are at some of the most vulnerable

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Speaker 1: positions in their lives, you know. And and the problem

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00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: with some of these statements is just like we were

539
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: talking about with the reasoning about invading the Hague, we're

540
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: seeing authorities, in this case, secular tech authorities, kind of

541
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: picking the story that's convenient for them, you know, And

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00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: it looks us I'm not saying their lying. I'm just

543
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: saying it feels very convenient. Guys. Can you just answer

544
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: me this. Why was there an investigation in the first place? Here?

545
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: I haven't found that that's the price. It has to

546
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: do with the disposing of the remains, um, but that

547
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: I'm not in any of this reporting. And again I

548
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: haven't read the full document seeing like why they were

549
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: suspected in the first place, to the point where they

550
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: sought this warrant um and also ultimately the warrant allowed

551
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: them to get access to their phone and stuff too.

552
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: So Nebraska has a, like I said, a very tight

553
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: um abortion law. Like even before this this overturning of Rev. Wade,

554
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: it's twenty weeks, I believe that's what it's been. Um.

555
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: So they were already, you know, with they were already

556
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Speaker 1: in reach of that law despite what happened with the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court. But and but it was reported as a miscarriage, right,

558
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: they reported it that way, that's right. But then there

559
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: was something that didn't look right in the investigation. Perhaps

560
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: did you catch any of this? I just don't understand it.

561
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Speaker 1: I don't. I just don't understand how that that it

562
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: was a miscarriage, which is a terrible, horrific thing that

563
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: happens all the time to to families, couples, individuals, and

564
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Speaker 1: somehow someone decided it was time to investigate this miscarriage.

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00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: I just like that blows my mind. The line in

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Speaker 1: the n p R. Pieces police in Norfolk, Nebraska had

567
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 1: been investigating the woman Jessica Burgess and her daughter's a

568
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Speaker 1: Less Burns for allegedly mishandling the fetal remains of what

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00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: they've told police was celest still birth. So maybe like

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00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: they buried it in the first place, and they weren't

571
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Speaker 1: supposed to do that, and then they like to legal

572
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Speaker 1: burning imburial. Illegal burning imburial is what the that's what

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Speaker 1: it warrant was regarding. So they kind of told and

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Speaker 1: if you are complying with a warrant and you're met up, Uh,

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00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: the thing here is that I did. You can find

576
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 1: the requests online. You can find the Madison County, Nebraska stuff.

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00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: It's linked out, and reading over it this the accounts

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00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: of this warrant, you would almost have to be willfully

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Speaker 1: ignoring the crux of the investigation. They never used the

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Speaker 1: A word. They never say abortion in these docs, but

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Speaker 1: they do talk about like they heavily imply it is

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Speaker 1: a fetus. Um. You know, without speaking to someone directly

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00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 1: met up and we probably won't hear from them outside

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00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 1: the public statements they made, But without speaking to them,

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00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of hard to guess how they're internal

586
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: logic was working here. But one of the reason I'm

587
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: really glad we're talking about the story is we do

588
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: live in a surveillance state and stuff like this when

589
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: it happens, this is not going to be the last. Sadly,

590
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: it's heartbreaking and it's frightening. It should frighten everybody. There

591
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: has bigger ramifications to beyond just what we're talking about here.

592
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: Like again, this is a complicated one because it involves

593
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Speaker 1: two massive zeitgeisty topics in terms of like the abortion laws,

594
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: availability to safety and all of that and the privacy stuff.

595
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: But I found this really great right up on a

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Speaker 1: reporter's committee h for a Free Press, I think it's

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Speaker 1: what it's called, UM Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press. Uh,

598
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Speaker 1: And they identify two massive wrinkles that this creates in

599
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: the ability the press to report on stuff like this. Uh.

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00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: And they this is what they say. It's gonna read

601
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: it because I think it does such a good job. One,

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Speaker 1: the availability of medication abortions creates a new wrinkle in

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Speaker 1: how the law treats the procedure. Historically, it was exceedingly

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Speaker 1: rare for abortion patients versus providers to be targeted by

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00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: law enforcement. Rather, providers would be identified through decoys and informants,

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Speaker 1: and abortions were often identified after complications prompted a trip

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Speaker 1: to the emergency room. Today, however, medication abortions are quite

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00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: safe and the pills can be obtained online. As a consequence,

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00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: investigators have an incentive to both target the suspected patient

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00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: with investigative tools and to use highly invasive means to

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00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 1: do so, as they did here. And one of those

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Speaker 1: would be going after like specifically going after whistleblowers or

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00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: or anonymous sources. Um and and that is going to

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Speaker 1: create almost like a witch hunt kind of atmosphere here

615
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: that I think has really scary long term ramifications. So

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Speaker 1: I did really think about that aspect of it, but

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00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: it could potentially create that, I don't know, so scary

618
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: stuff here, much more to impact than we can in

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Speaker 1: this uh this strange news section. So let's take a

620
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: break and digest some of the stuff and then come

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Speaker 1: back with one more piece of strange news. And we

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Speaker 1: have returned, Fellow conspiracy realists. It feels so good to

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Speaker 1: be back. What do we miss well, Donald Trump's in

624
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Speaker 1: the news, Elon Musk and a Twitter whistleblower in the news.

625
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Speaker 1: Cambodia is getting some of its history back. Check out

626
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Speaker 1: our episode on Museums and the providence of the things

627
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: they take. Uh, Steven Seagal going hard on the paint

628
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Speaker 1: for Russia in a move that will surprise nobody. And

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Speaker 1: I've got to get back on daily see guys at

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Speaker 1: some point just to talk trash about Steven Seagal. But

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Speaker 1: you'll see you'll see some of ours guys, guys coming

632
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Speaker 1: to hang out with us. Maybe no spoilers the last

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Speaker 1: speak story. We have rumbas. Anybody got a roomba play

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Speaker 1: along at home? I hope your room is going now.

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Speaker 1: and we put big giant Google shoes on it. No,

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Speaker 1: it's not even a shark. It's like it's a It's

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Speaker 1: it's one I can't even I can't even pronounce his name.

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Speaker 1: It's it's real dumb guys is banging in the walls

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Speaker 1: getting stuck on stuff. Uh. Adding a big dumb Google

641
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: I just made it even more delightful. But yeah, I

642
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: don't know if Rumba was much smarter. Um, but this

643
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: is about as dumb of a smart vacuum as you

644
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: could possibly get. And that I know. Uh, you and

645
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: I are very much of the same mind on a

646
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: lot of things. So I'm gonna take a wild guess

647
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: and say that you do not have a rumba. There

648
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: was one in this house for quite a time. There

649
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: is no longer one in this house. Yes, okay, very

650
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: careful answer. I respected, I respect you, bro. For the record,

651
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: my mind is not Internet connected. Just for the record,

652
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: mine is not Internet connected. This one is just strictly

653
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: a remote, controllable little widget. It does not, you know,

654
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: have any access to That's what makes it smart. The

655
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: Internet is what smarts it up exactly. So here's the thing.

656
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: So Roomba. Roomba made quite a splash and they're very successful.

657
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: Rumba has a parent company called I Robots. Uh, And

658
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: there you know, there's a They're part of the fad

659
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: where you put a little eye in front of everything,

660
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: started by Apple and propagated out through numerous companies, included

661
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: our corporate overlords, I Heart Media, the Clear Channel. So

662
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: so Rumba got in the news for a while. And

663
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: this is a little older story about when it cover

664
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: it because it's not getting the attention it needs. I

665
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 1: Robot was purchased by Amazon, which been Amazon bought Roomba.

666
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: When you think of the Humble little Roomba looks like

667
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: a Pixar character in many ways. You probably don't think

668
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 1: of a company or a product that's worth one point

669
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: seven bill in dollars, which is what Amazon paid for it.

670
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: You know, do you know how far like this is

671
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 1: hurting Jeff's plan to kind of sort of get into

672
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: space again for eleven minutes, and that's very important to him.

673
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: His eleven minutes kind of sort of in space, not

674
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: really space whatever. So this is on the heels of

675
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,919
Speaker 1: some very troubling things that Amazon has been doing. They

676
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: recently acquired a company called One Medical, US healthcare company,

677
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:33,479
Speaker 1: and then right on the heels of that, they made

678
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: this offer to buy I Robot. Why why are they

679
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: doing these things? Well, they're not buying the little vacuums.

680
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 1: They're not super gas about the real estate that One

681
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 1: Medical has. They're super gas about the information it has

682
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: about you. We're talking about you made a great point, Matt,

683
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: wh We're talking about the smart aspect Rumba learns. That's

684
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: the thing people love about it, right, They're like, Oh,

685
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 1: it's kind of dumb and it's kind of bump bump

686
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: bump for a while, but eventually it figures out where

687
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: your furniture is, figures out the rooms, it figures out

688
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: the hallways, it maps them. And what a lot of

689
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: people didn't realize was that because this is connected to

690
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: the Internet, it shares that map, just like uh, just

691
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: like Amazon, Alexa and Google Home are so suspect to me.

692
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: That's why Nolan very glad that you're you're moving vacuum

693
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: cleaner is not Internet connected. This is not about products.

694
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call it doubt. It's about the data. Because

695
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: now there is a If this all works out, Amazon

696
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: will have direct access to with no intermediary by the way,

697
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: no middleman, no gatekeeping, It will have direct access to

698
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: a full map of people's homes if they have room

699
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: bus For a lot of us, some people might be saying,

700
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: you know, what's the big deal, What's what's the big deal? Uh? I,

701
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: it doesn't bother me that people know where my laundry

702
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: room is, but consider that nothing again exists in a vacuum.

703
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: I've got to stop saying that so often. But it's

704
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: really bothering me these days. Because now if you are

705
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: part of one medical there will be medical information about you.

706
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: If you remember of Amazon Prime, then there's a lot

707
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: of stuff out there about you, and a lot of

708
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: conclusions that are drawn that you probably are not aware of.

709
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: You will be you will be flummixed a lot of

710
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 1: us listening today when you realize just how much info

711
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: there is on you to the point where I can

712
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: predict your behavior, which is something a lot of social

713
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: scientists have been looking for for decades. And what I

714
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 1: and what I say scientists too, I mean like DARPA

715
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: has been looking to do this for decades and they

716
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: got closer than you think a long time ago. So

717
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: now private companies are doing this and they're saying, look,

718
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: only I robot can check out these room bug maps.

719
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: But now if, like with Amazon at the helm of this,

720
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 1: then we don't know who would have access to that data. Um,

721
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 1: Amazon said they don't have any details to share, right.

722
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: Amazon is saying, no, it's not gonna Amazon is basically saying,

723
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. You know what I mean, like, hey, guys, chill,

724
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: just be chill. So, uh, this announcement came on August five,

725
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: so later this month, as we record just last month

726
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: that you hear this, and it's crazy because they're not

727
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: the way these things work, doesn't It doesn't mean that

728
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: they're gonna get data from room BA homes going forward.

729
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: It means they're gonna get data ever since I robot

730
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: figured out how to do this. And if you talk

731
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: to people like Maurice Stuck, a former d o J

732
00:43:55,280 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 1: prosecutor and antitrust expert, you'll see that Amazon's like they're

733
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: assumed focus for this is more targeted advertising. The Amazon Alexe.

734
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: Here's when something breaks the room but knows you're it's

735
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 1: in the kitchen, you know what I mean? How how

736
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: how much more regular and specific can they get? And

737
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: this is also again this is a a concern of aggregation. Uh,

738
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: Matt off Air, Uh, we were talking a little bit

739
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: about the Amazon astro. I don't know if anybody has um.

740
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: I don't know how much experience do you think people

741
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: have with the Amazon astro. I think we've all we've

742
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: seen the commercial. Right, It's like you were talking about, Yeah,

743
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,959
Speaker 1: tell me about the astro. I don't This is Yeah,

744
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: it's a tiny little robot that is way more expensive

745
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: than we can afford. But you know you've just got

746
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: an extra thousand dollars chilling, then hey, maybe you want

747
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: this Alexa on wheels that has a lot of cameras

748
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 1: and sensors and collects even more data on you what

749
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: you do and in this case kind of like room

750
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: but where you do it in your house. Uh, It's

751
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 1: just it's just super creepy. It's another one of these

752
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: things that if you add in the I robot info

753
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: with this Amazon, you know, if you happen to have

754
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: one of these robots, you basically just have all information

755
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: twenty pounds. It looks like a little Pixar cartoon. Uh.

756
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: It has voice commands, so of course you can hear YouTube.

757
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: It'll follow you around. It's got wheels if you I

758
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: put a little link in the in our chat here

759
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: and you can see that right now. Also, this thing

760
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: is kind of like a PS five. You have to

761
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: request and invite to buy it. As you said, Matt,

762
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: it's a thousand dollars right now. It's very cute, you know.

763
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure it triggers some warm cuddly feelings for people. Um.

764
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: And it Also this is interesting Amazon is aware of

765
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: the concerns here because one of the big features advertised

766
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: for this also include this in the chat, is that

767
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: Amazon astro can can have its camera and microphone and

768
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 1: motion turned off with one button per Amazon. Per Jeff.

769
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: Also it uh, it can function as security. I don't

770
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: know if you guys had heard that part. It will

771
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: link up with your Ring subscription and Astro will patrol

772
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: and it will get this investigate activity. So so the

773
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: dog is where it's not supposed to be. Someone's breaking

774
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: into your house and then all of a sudden, which

775
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 1: is my Amazon Astro noise, Yeah, Danny is masturbating again.

776
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: Did you guys see that uh love Death in Robots piece?

777
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: That was kind of pick Sarry. It was kind of

778
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,720
Speaker 1: like yeah with like it had like a them but type,

779
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: you know, Helper robot. They like it goes nuts and

780
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: it starts murdering everything. Uh, it goes somewhere more creative

781
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: than that eventually. No spoilers, but I did think that

782
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: one did a pretty good job of looking at the

783
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: like big picture dystopia that we are heading for. I

784
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: think it was partially inspired by things like the Astro. Uh.

785
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: And you know remember years back when we're talking about

786
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 1: the dog drones and I called it, man, it was

787
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: no hard thing to call, said, someone's gonna put a

788
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: gun on these, because that's how humans are. They're just

789
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: going to figure out the recoil and I got they

790
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: did it. So how far are these astro attachment's gonna go?

791
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 1: I mean businesses always seek to uh consolidate uh profits

792
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 1: while diversifying products. Right, not to be too Harvard business

793
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: about it, but this means that your astro in the

794
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: future might also have a room by included on it.

795
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: Maybe uh your room bow will becoming increasing way can

796
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: astro Uh they want to add these surveillance capabilities, and

797
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: then what happens when they start sort of mesh networking? Right?

798
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: What happens when you are at the secret Wizard of

799
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: Oz control room in Amazon and you can map an

800
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: entire neighborhood and maybe during times of domestic unrest, you

801
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: get warrant and you have to supply the information that

802
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: you have about that entire neighborhood where protests just happened

803
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: to be taking place. God, I just connect that that

804
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: old sidewalk app up right, It's just it's everything, It's

805
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: already there. They're just not all in one body yet.

806
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: Oh well, here's the other thing you're gonna you're gonna

807
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: love for anybody's feeling to U two spooked about this? Well,

808
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: as long as you don't live in a ranch style house,

809
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: you may have a little bit of respite. Because right

810
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 1: now Astro and Rumba cannot go up or downstairs. So

811
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: so hide in the basement, hide on the second floor,

812
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And don't put the Amazon

813
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: Alexa up there. Now. Of course, we have to point

814
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: out a lot of this right now, A lot of

815
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: these concerns are proactive. I would say, there hasn't been

816
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: any proof yet of an obsessive, super sophisticated amount of

817
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: data being used against people, uh in yet at this point. Right,

818
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: but we have to remember that governments can still request

819
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: this stuff from different corporations, and in many cases those

820
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: corporations must comply. Also, data can be used predictively. The

821
00:49:54,719 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: predecessor for what happened with Meta recently is Target. You know,

822
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: and Target has hidden income stream selling surveillance equipment to

823
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: other businesses. Like next time you're in the target, look

824
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: up at the ceiling. See how many cameras there are.

825
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 1: There are a ton, They're very good at it. Well,

826
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: I just wanted to add, like we we we this

827
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: all kind of like meshes together. No point intended with

828
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: um the ring camera discussion that we've been having. And

829
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: I just found out that apparently Amazon is launching a

830
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: ring camera generated like like hidden camera show like in

831
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: America's stupidest criminals are like the funniest you know, front

832
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: yard goofs or whatever. And I need to look into

833
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 1: it further. I don't know you would think you would

834
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: have to be used or submitted because you know, like again,

835
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: I have the stupid app for Ring, and I know

836
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: there's a way that I can opt out of it,

837
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: but I get all these messages for this like neighborly whatever,

838
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: and and it comes with videos attachment be like creepy

839
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: prowler guy, what's that in his hand? And you look

840
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,879
Speaker 1: at the video? Um, so I under you know how

841
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: this submission would work or if it literally is just

842
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: like well we if you if you read the terms

843
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: of service close enough, you'd see that we own all

844
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: this footage. Uh Wanda Sykes isst hosting it by the

845
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: normalized surveillance while vilifying the disadvantaged. For sure, I want

846
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: to finish what I was saying though about Target, because

847
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: Target used their data to predict a pregnancy that a

848
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,240
Speaker 1: teenager and not told her parents about, and the parents

849
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: found out about it via target, So it's important to

850
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: remember that's the predecessor. Now, I didn't mean to roll

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Speaker 1: over you, man. Can I make one last point on

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Speaker 1: the rumor game show thing. I think you're right on there.

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Speaker 1: It feels like they're just increasing people's desire to keep

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Speaker 1: track of that ring footage and uploaded to neighbors. I

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Speaker 1: think this is a really great to a great way

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Speaker 1: to incentivize that, similar to America's funny sol videos where

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Speaker 1: if you offer people maybe just two hundred dollars or

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Speaker 1: five dollars, if your submission gets onto the TV show,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna that means more people are going to be

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Speaker 1: uploading their own videos for sure. That's right. The show

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Speaker 1: is going to be called Ring Nation, and they do

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Speaker 1: claim that they will be securing permission and then the

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Speaker 1: videos could come from other sources too, But it's all

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Speaker 1: going to be a big giant incentive for uploading your

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Speaker 1: videos to like, you know, whatever cms that they set

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Speaker 1: up for this thing. And um, it's a big old

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Speaker 1: commercial for ring and to to sew this up, folks,

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Speaker 1: to put a frightening bow on it without sounding like

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Speaker 1: a broken record or a whistleblower who is suffering from

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Speaker 1: Alzheimer's and repetitive motion of thought. Uh, this stuff is happening,

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Speaker 1: It's there is precedent to it, but this is untrammeled territory,

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Speaker 1: which means that again, technology is outpacing legislation. And since

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Speaker 1: the passage of the Patriot Act in the United States,

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Speaker 1: your rights to privacy in this kind tree and abroad,

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Speaker 1: by the way, shout out five eyes have eroded and

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Speaker 1: far past what you may be comfortable thinking about or considering.

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Speaker 1: So this is a step further down that direction. And

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Speaker 1: we want to hear stories. I definitely want to know

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Speaker 1: any weird things that have happened to you in these

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Speaker 1: our days of absolute surveillance, which are you know, we're

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Speaker 1: in the nascent days, but it's happening your kids, your grandkids.

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Speaker 1: If this continues on a current trend, Uh, they're going

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Speaker 1: to look at privacy is something kind of anachronistic and

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Speaker 1: old fashioned, and they'll do so with good reason. So

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