WEBVTT - ITS Home Edition: JoJo 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:04.800 Welcome to Inside the Studio presented by I Heart Radio. 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:16.680 I'm your host, Joe Leaving. Okay, so this time on 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:19.960 the home edition of the show, we've got an exceptionally 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:25.800 personal and fascinating interview with Jojo about her exceptionally personal 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:30.960 and truly raw album Good to Know. And Jojo talks 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:35.400 about her career, her bad habits, the relationship that inspired 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:37.960 Good to Know, what it was like to have a 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:41.800 number one song with her first single when she was thirteen, 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:45.520 what it's like to still be getting to know herself 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:50.440 at twenty nine. There's also some talk about chakras. You know. 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:52.839 There's a track on Good to Know called pet a 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:56.160 Light that has one of my favorite lyrics in recent memory, 0:00:56.240 --> 0:01:01.200 which is good afternoon feeling bad still, I need a 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:06.360 prayer and an advil, And of course that's really about 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:11.680 recovering after a night out, but during Lockdown, a lot 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:16.520 of pretty sober afternoons felt exactly that way. And we 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:19.119 started the home edition of Inside the Studio to let 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:22.200 you know how the pandemic has impacted the lives of 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:25.240 artists and how it's affecting the way they make music. 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:29.200 And Jojo, who released an acoustic version of Good to 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:33.320 Know in July that was recorded entirely during Lockdown really 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:36.120 gets into all of this with our quarantine correspondent, Jordan 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:39.680 Runt Talk. So if you enjoy this episode, be sure 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:43.320 to check out the I Heart Radio podcast that Jordan's hosts. 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:48.360 It's called Rivals, Music's Greatest Feuds, and it is available 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:58.960 wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, everybody, My name is 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:02.360 Jordan Runt. Talk. Enough about me. My guest today has 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:05.560 one of the biggest, baddest voices on the planet. She 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:07.920 always did, even when she was just a teenager. She 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:10.160 had her first hit at age thirteen with two thousand 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:13.000 four's Leave Get Out, making her the youngest person at 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:16.160 that point to score number one. Her highly publicized battle 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:17.880 with a record label kept her out of the spotlight 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:19.880 for far too long, but now she's back with a 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:23.959 new album, Good to Know. The soulful Sensual collection is 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:27.000 her most personal work to date, detailing her journey from 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:30.399 self medication to self love. The music is born out 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:33.399 of her own trials, tribulations and uh, I think I've 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:35.880 read trips to strip clubs near the recording studio. I 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:39.200 believe I'm so thrilled to welcome Jojo. Thank you so 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:41.800 much for taking the time. I'm so happy to be 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:44.800 with you. Jordan. Oh my god, so many questions, But 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:46.520 I gotta say, the first time I listened to your 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:49.320 new record, it was the streaming version, I hit play 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:51.239 and the first words I heard you sing on so 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:54.480 bad We're look at Me Now, and I just thought, hell, yeah, 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:56.760 I mean, you know you can say that again. It's 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:59.679 an album with three acts, three chapters. Can you walk 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:03.799 me through each one? How you structured it? Yeah, And 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:07.640 and it was definitely intentional that that first lyric, that 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:12.079 that kind of opened up the album, because the U 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:16.760 when I came into this process of putting the album 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:21.000 together and starting writing for it, I was deeply uncomfortable 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:22.880 with myself, wanting to get out of my own skin, 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:26.000 feeling a lot of shame, feeling a lot of guilt, 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:31.640 regret about the way I handled things in my relationship life, 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:35.480 and just feeling like I was a bad woman, like 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:38.680 a bad girl, and I was just again ashamed. So 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:41.720 I could kind of chronicle the ways in which I 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:46.320 manifested that feeling, which is like, you know, kind of uh, 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:49.720 drinking too much and going out and just kind of 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:52.880 not I'm not showing myself that the most love, And 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:58.200 then also like busying myself with with just different distractions, 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:00.680 pretty much wanting to get distracted from my self. The 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:03.760 middle of the album finds me realizing that I've never 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:07.160 really been alone, never truly been single, and I need 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:10.560 that that time. It's really important that as uncomfortable as 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:14.320 it may be, that it's a necessary experience. And then 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:20.840 at the end kind of realizing that I might make 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:24.200 this journey more than once, make the same rotation more 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:27.640 than once, but I'm more than capable. A matter of fact, 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:31.520 I love myself, I'm strong, I'm resilient, and and just 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:34.279 feeling empowered towards the end of it. So this journey 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:35.840 you go through on the album, you were going through 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:37.839 that in real time as you were writing these, like 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:39.960 when you were started with bad habits and things like that, 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:42.120 you really felt that way in that moment when you're 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:47.320 writing it totally because I just wanted to stay busy 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:50.719 so I wouldn't have to really think about what I 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:53.480 was feeling. You know, sometimes we run from our feelings 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:56.720 by whatever it may be, by just more and more 0:04:56.720 --> 0:05:01.200 and more and more stimulation. And what's been so interesting 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:04.600 about this pandemic that we're all living through is that 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:11.120 there's no opportunity for distraction. You know, really, we we 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:15.800 like are forced to take a look inside and at 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:19.680 what's around us. We just can't look away. Has made 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:22.360 our vision so clear, And it's just interesting that I 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:24.800 was I was kind of already on a journey inward 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:29.080 and just um taking a lot of accountability within myself. 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:31.240 I think there was a quote, uh that you said, Well, 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:33.279 you said you were looking at yourself instead of reckoning 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:37.279 needed to happen. What prompted that reckoning in your life? Honestly, 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:41.040 I cheated on my best friend like we were in 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:46.440 a relationship, and I I used a lot of the 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:50.880 same like coping mechanisms of distraction and attention and all 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:55.320 these things, and I just I really messed up. And 0:05:55.760 --> 0:06:00.359 it was like a catastrophic personal change in my life. 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.279 When this person totally cut me off. There was no 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:06.159 talking about it. I was just like, Wow, I can't 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:10.120 just be out here doing whatever reckless with my heart 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:12.440 and other people's. And I was just like, I have 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:16.840 to grow up. I have to really look and be like, 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:18.600 what kind of person do you want to be? Like? 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:20.880 I know I'm a great friend. I know I can 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:23.279 be reliable, but like, what type of woman do you 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:25.360 really want to be? One of my favorite tracks on 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:28.080 the album, I think relations think about You. It's such 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:29.880 a raw song. I think is my favorite track on 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:33.159 the album. What does that song means to you? Where 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:36.760 did that come from? That came from that the end 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:40.919 of that relationship that I was mentioning, um, And it 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:46.080 is super raw and like very almost desperately vulnerable. And 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:48.600 that's that's just it was kind of like a journal excerpt. 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:51.359 And that was my first time working with my producer 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:54.000 Leto and I had been a big fan of what 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:56.359 I had heard him do with Paulsy and with his 0:06:56.400 --> 0:07:00.000 own material, and he's just I think he's a genie 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:04.000 is And we connected instantly because I just like had 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:09.360 these metaphorical like open wounds, um, because I was just like, 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:12.520 how am I ever gonna move on? Like I keep 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:15.080 just beating myself up about this. I was still very 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:21.520 much in that shame spiral and um, and I hadn't 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:23.720 forgiven myself even if he had forgiven me, you know, 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:26.600 the the other person on the other side of the relationship. Oh. 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:29.080 And I listened to Small Things, which sort of a 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:31.520 follow on from that too, about all the little things 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:33.800 that that you know remind you of this other person. 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:36.480 That song is incredible because it's just is so relatable. 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:38.520 We've all been there, Like you, you can't even sit 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:41.720 up straight because you're thinking of this other person. It's 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:47.200 it's so visceral and and sometimes it's just what I 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:49.640 love about music in general is that everybody will listen 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:53.640 to one song and like relate their own life to it. 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:57.040 So it might not be a romantic relationship, but it 0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:00.240 might be just that you're not over something and you're 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:02.800 acting like everything is okay. You know, maybe you had 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:06.360 some type of experience that that shook you or changed 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:10.280 you and you're just trying to move on from it. 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:13.600 But maybe you hadn't fully dealt with it, and that 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:16.640 can be and sometimes something can trigger you out of 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:19.320 nowhere and just really make you realize, WHOA this is 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.680 still very much present in my in my body and 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:26.080 my in my heart. You move through it and if 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:30.000 the first single from the album man I love especially. 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:33.359 I love that the title because it's not really about 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:35.719 another man at all. It's about you and what you 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:42.800 want exactly. It's me taking a moment and feeling like, okay, yo, 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:47.280 I'm live. I really dig myself right now, I have 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:51.080 I'm in process. I'm certainly not perfect, but I do 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:54.880 recognize everything that I bring to my own table and 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:57.640 if it's more than enough, and I'm saying, I'm really 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:00.319 enjoying this time with myself. So if I'm going to 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:04.200 break out of this very delicious self partnership that I 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:08.040 have going on, then it's gonna really take somebody incredibly special, strong, 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:11.640 powerful too to move me. You know, I really enjoy 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:13.559 stretching out and having my whole bed right now. So 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:17.400 that's that's it. I was listening to the album and 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:19.240 I was trying to figure out and maybe it's both. 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:22.560 Is this album more about moving beyond bad habits or 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:25.040 is it about accepting yourself laws and all? Or is 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:29.280 it both? I think it's both, um because for people 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:32.920 with like addictive personalities or people that can just have 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:36.119 this tendency to want more or to get really obsessed 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:39.480 over things, this is probably a lifelong struggle. Like whether 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:43.240 it's but I think we just find healthier ways of 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:47.080 focusing that attention. And so am I going to be 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:50.440 like have I removed all bad habits from my life. 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:53.320 Hell no, Like I'm still you know, I still be 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:56.839 messing up all the time. But um, I just don't 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:00.000 I think this this album is just about getting better. 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:02.280 It's a beautiful way to put it. You know. I 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:05.880 was thinking, just having a career in entertainment has got 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:08.439 to be so tough, because I feel like that, more 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:10.240 than almost any other career I can think of, you 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:14.520 get so much to yourself worth from external sources fans 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:17.600 or critics or label executives. That has to be really 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:20.160 tough to deal with. How do you combat something like that? Oh, 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:23.640 I don't know. I think you just have to think 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:28.240 about yourself as multifaceted and build up those other facets 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:30.800 of yourself. And that was something that I had to 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:33.880 grow through as well, and it was like really uncomfortable 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:40.200 because when you get the messaging that your self worth 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:44.040 is predicated on, it's just it's it's crazy. My first 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:46.560 single went number one, you know, it was a number 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:48.640 one pop record when I was thirteen, and you can't 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:51.960 get any higher than that. So it's it's interesting to 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:54.440 kind of like adjust. Okay, so what is success, what 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:57.439 is happiness? What is sustainable? Like, who are you when 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:02.320 nobody's looking? What are people going to say at your 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:05.240 intimate birthday dinner? What are they gonna stay at your funeral? 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:07.720 Like I just started thinking about all these things, like 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:14.240 because we are more than numbers and statistics and we're 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:17.440 people were I don't know. It took me so many 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:19.959 self help books and therapy and all this stuff to 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:22.080 really believe that. I think I read an interview where 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:23.800 you said, you're more spiritual at this point in your 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:25.600 life than you ever thought you would be, Like, well, 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:27.480 how did you get to that place? So many people 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:31.040 don't so many people knowing it close? Well, I grew 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:36.360 up Catholic, so I love like rituals and tradition. I 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:40.920 think that's really beautiful. But I, um so, I had 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:45.480 that that background of like knowing a higher power, and 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:50.960 I think just through yoga, meditation, I found that these 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:55.360 things really really helped me. And the books that I 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:58.320 was reading, the podcast I was listening to, the YouTube 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:03.040 clips or whatever, it was just really expanding my mind 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:05.000 to realize that not only is there not only am 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:07.280 I like feeling this and it's something I can't describe, 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:10.240 but there is science behind it. Um So, I think 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:15.640 that linking your breath to movement, and I just I 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:17.800 think I appreciate the little things more and I find 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:19.920 God and all those I try to be in the moment, 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:21.760 it just feels better. I want to ask you about 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:25.640 the your album cover. I don't like the colors on 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:28.280 the album cover. Orange has a great deal of significance 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:31.800 to you with chakra, as I believe, Oh God, I 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:34.320 am no chakra expert by any freaking means, but I 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:36.920 am very interested in the energetic centers of the body. 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:39.920 And I was absinent while I was writing this album, 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:42.000 and I really wanted to, like hone in on my 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:47.559 um my sensuality, my sexuality, and creativity, and that apparently 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:51.800 comes from the same energy center and it's represented by 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:56.880 the color orange, and that also represents you know, rebirth, 0:12:57.000 --> 0:13:00.640 regeneration and creativities. And I've just been really feeling the 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:03.880 color orange because I love seed in the sunsets and 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:08.280 the sunrises. It just makes me very happy. My step 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:10.280 mom's a raicky master, So I really wanted to ask 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:14.720 you about that. As fast a lot of chakra talker 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:19.680 on these parts. I bet so you you you drop 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:21.680 your album Good to Know in May and then in 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:24.640 mid July, you drop an acoustic version. How did that 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:26.920 come about? Was that all recorded in Lockdown or were 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:31.080 those early demos or the acoustic was recorded in Lockdown, 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:34.439 but the album was all done before that, so we 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:37.720 stuck to the plan of releasing it, you know in 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:45.960 uh in March, that's when it came out, right, Yeah, yeah, 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:48.120 So the the so Good to Know came out right 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:50.760 in the beginning of of Lockdown, and then and then 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:56.440 the the acoustic later. But I didn't want to. It 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:59.240 was really important to me that I could stay consistent 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:01.560 for my fans, Like I told him it was coming 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:03.120 out at this time. I wanted to put it out 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:05.880 at this time. I like, there's been so much that 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:09.280 I can't control within my career that I just I 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:12.960 felt like we're all hunkered down, and I know I 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:15.480 could use some music right now. But then the acoustic 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:19.360 came and I just felt like the songs can stand alone, 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:22.080 like just stripped down with a vocal in one instrument. 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:24.480 So I wanted to. I just wanted to express it 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:26.600 in a different way, especially since I can't go on 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:29.200 tour right now, like nobody can. You mentioned that Good 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:32.680 to Know? It was so much about your own relationship 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:34.880 with yourself and getting to know yourself and be alone 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:40.640 with yourself and quarantine happened. How what have you learned 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:44.280 about yourself in this period? What have I learned? I'm 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:47.560 much more nurturing than I thought I was, Like, I 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:55.840 really love making food for people, and like, uh, take 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:59.880 like keeping my home a certain way, or like dropping 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:02.240 cookies off to people. I'm like, I don't know when 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:04.120 I turned into this person, but like that brings me 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:06.840 so much joy. I realized. I guess that I'm creative 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:10.400 in other ways and that being board is actually maybe 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:13.040 good for us. Like we don't need to be constantly stimulated. 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:15.240 We don't need to be on social media constantly. I 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:17.360 still need to learn that because I do spend too 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:21.600 much time to still scrolling. But yeah, there's there's nothing 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:24.040 to be afraid of in my own company. At someone 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:27.520 I've learned. And you're in California with your mom? What 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.200 do you what do you both like to do together? Yes, 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:32.960 it's been really cool. I try out new recipes on 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:36.560 her because I'm super passionate about being in cooking and baking, 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:41.600 and um, we walk my dog. Her name is Agathe. 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:55.680 So many people I mean yourself included are cooking, doing 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:59.120 puzzles during lockdown. You also filmed the music video which 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.040 I know, oh my gosh with with Zelda Williams. How 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:05.080 did that go down? Was that? I assume you had 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:08.640 to do like all of it yourselves, right, Yeah. Zelda 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:10.800 is one of my best friends. We met um when 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:14.840 I was fifteen and I played her dad's daughter in 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:18.000 r V and we met at the premier and she's 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:21.040 like my first l A friend and like kind of 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:23.240 taught me how to show me l A pretty much, 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:27.240 so even friends for what feels like forever, and I 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:31.720 love her. I she's she's a great creative all around, 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:34.320 and she had directed a music video for me um 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:39.120 on my like on a previous project called Save My Soul. 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:42.520 And because I know her so well and I know 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.960 how stringent she was being about COVID, I felt like 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:50.040 I could feel confident in going over to her house 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:51.880 and we literally shot at just me, her and one 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:56.720 other person, and we did everything outside. We used natural sunlight. 0:16:57.080 --> 0:17:01.040 It's just really amazing what you can do with very 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:04.320 very little and just a desire. It looked incredible. I Mean, 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:06.080 I I'd seen them and I had no idea. I 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:08.280 assumed you made them like months and months in advance 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:10.439 before all this went down, and then I like I 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:12.639 realized the backstory. It was just like three of you. 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:19.639 It's incredible, It's absolutely amazing. It feels nice to find 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:26.239 ways around things that are a little bit challenging, you know, 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:30.600 I mean, are very challenging, are very challenging. Yet have 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:32.359 you been writing a lot of music during this time? 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:36.399 I've been writing some Christmas songs. Actually interesting to be 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:42.000 you know, writing I see cozy fireplace songs when it's 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:48.639 like blazing outside Christmas in July action exactly. Um. So 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:51.000 I've been been doing that and it's been I've been 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:55.600 writing more poetry than full formed songs, and that's been 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:57.280 nice because I used to do that a lot as 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:02.280 a kid. And it's just a good exercise. Um and 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:06.480 kind of like a good brain purge. Do you consider 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:09.040 yourself a homebody? Like? Do you get more inspiration looking 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:16.400 inward or looking outward? Um? I I can find inspiration 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:20.760 almost anywhere, Like I could answer, I do like to 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:23.119 be around people, though I like to be in I 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:26.399 love traveling. I love being on the road. I missed that. 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:30.760 But I'm also not going to make an excuse as 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:34.760 if I can't be inspired unless i'm, you know, in 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:39.000 another place that I'm trying to trying to find the vibes. 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:42.560 I loved your special quarantine version of Leave Get Out 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:48.639 Chill Stay In that was inspired by UM. I was 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:51.679 doing a live stream and one of my fans like 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:54.359 wrote in the comments it was like, stay in right 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:58.280 now song to the UM, you know tune of Leave 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:00.359 Get Out, And I'm like, ah ha, that's so smart. 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:02.399 It's like, yeah, there's something there. So I just went 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:06.720 ahead and it wrote the rest of it, and it 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:10.240 just feels good to you know, to laugh. I'm glad 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:12.440 some people got to smile out of it. I feel 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:15.480 like your fans are more fiercely loyal than most because 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:19.800 you know everything you've been through. They're incredible. Like, what's 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:22.119 it been like staying connected to them throughout all of 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:28.000 this quarantine lockdown stuff? It's been, I mean freaking awesome. 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:32.240 It's it's like how we've stayed connected through everything. We've 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:34.160 a lot of us have grown up together and we're 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:39.080 going through a lot of um the same things in 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:42.800 our respective places of where we live. And I'm just 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:45.119 trying to figure out life. I've been listening to and 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:47.520 watching some of the covers you've been posting on social media. 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:50.399 D'Angelo TLC. I think one time you just sang the 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:53.200 word hello, and it's still made my jaw drop. Uh 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:56.199 expects the question, what are you doing to keep your 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:59.160 voice that strong? It's amazing you're doing warm ups every day. 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:02.240 You're doing like zoom sessions with a vocal coach. Oh, 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:05.720 thank you so much. I have been getting back to 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:08.520 basics and kind of like doing scales at the piano. 0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:11.960 But I don't warm up every day before I record. 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:16.080 I do some vocalizations if you will, um. But I've 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:18.119 also just been going back and listening to some of 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:22.320 my favorite singers and trying to impersonate them. That's how 0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:24.000 I started. When I was a kid, I tried. I 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:26.800 tried to sound like Aretha Franklin or Whitney Houston and 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:31.520 Mariah Carey. And now I'm finding that same passion for like, 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:34.680 for recreating sounds. I saw that a couple of months back. 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:36.800 You spoke on a panel for the Grammy Museum about 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:39.760 any Winehouse, one of my all time favorite artists. What 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:41.200 does she mean to you? Did you ever get a 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:43.760 chance to meet her or perform with her. I never 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:47.320 got a chance to meet her. And I remember when 0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:50.840 I discovered her first album, Frank. It was after Back 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:52.359 to Black had already come out, and I think it 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:55.000 was after she passed away, and I was the same 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:58.120 age that she was when she wrote it and put 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:01.080 it out, and I was just like, Yo, this girl 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:06.399 is killing me softly with her words, like she is 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:09.840 drumming my pain right now, Like I just feel everything 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:13.359 that she was saying. Um, And she just had a 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:17.000 way of Uh. She was so vivid with her storytelling 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:21.639 and so raw, and I just love I loved everything 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:24.400 about how giving she was with her artistry. And it's 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:30.080 just so bringing unfair what fame can do to uh, 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:37.280 you know, a sensitive soul that is just pure and Yeah. 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:39.760 But but her music continues to just blow my mind 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:42.760 and it's something that can continue unraveled, like you know 0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:44.720 when you when you go back to it and listen 0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:47.400 to it at different years in your life, there's still 0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:49.680 so much to take from it. I think I haven't 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:51.600 thought about that with Frank and Good to Know. I 0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:53.399 see them as as very similar. I mean, some of 0:21:53.400 --> 0:21:56.719 her songs, like I've heard Love as Blinds or or 0:21:56.760 --> 0:21:59.320 take the Box. I mean, the lyrics are so funny, 0:21:59.480 --> 0:22:03.080 they're so brutal and bruising at points, but you just 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:04.760 want to you feel like you know, or you want 0:22:04.760 --> 0:22:06.760 to give her a hug. It's it's incredible. Yes, that's 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:09.600 such a good point. I mean, she's a type of 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:13.800 writer that I look up to. She's so inspirational and aspirational, 0:22:14.000 --> 0:22:17.280 and I think she kind of continues in a line 0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:22.600 of female songwriters like Joni Mitchell, who were never concerned 0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:27.760 about looking uh like the perfect woman whatever that you 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:32.000 know is thought to be, but like meaning, uh they 0:22:32.040 --> 0:22:41.080 were they mess up there, corny, They're hungry for more, 0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:45.600 they're dissatisfied, they're irrational there, you know, all these things 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:48.720 that we can be while we're also worthy, you know 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:52.119 what I mean. So I just loved I loved that 0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:55.280 all of those things existed within her writing. Was there 0:22:55.280 --> 0:22:57.320 a lightning bolt moment for you when you knew that 0:22:57.680 --> 0:23:00.159 you didn't want to just be a musical appreciator, you 0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:01.960 want to be somebody who made it yourself. I don't 0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:04.760 know if there was a lightning moment, but um, I 0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:08.439 just remember being in the living room and watching my 0:23:08.480 --> 0:23:11.439 favorite divas on the TV on like vach One, Diva's 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:15.040 Live or something like that, Like I want that, like 0:23:15.200 --> 0:23:17.600