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Speaker 1: Revere Reveale dalks.

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Speaker 2: Look at us now, tip to tip.

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Speaker 3: This is our life, this is.

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Speaker 4: Our passion, that's the spirit we bring.

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Speaker 1: To this show.

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Speaker 2: I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this morning, Combat.

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Speaker 5: Three sleeps away from UFC two to eighty one, and

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Speaker 5: Brian Campbell's got gummyes.

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Speaker 1: It is dummy.

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Speaker 5: Hi everyone, let's talk about UFC two eighty one on

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Speaker 5: today's live edition of our pregame preview series, joined as

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Speaker 5: always by the iceman.

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Speaker 1: Sir Charles One. He's not yeah, true, except for.

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Speaker 5: When he wasn't here in Arizona, right, and then of

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Speaker 5: course Brian Campbell'm.

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Speaker 1: We'll get that in fight boys. Uh.

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Speaker 5: We are here in the swamps of Jersey City, as

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Speaker 5: we always are. We haven't been on the roof in

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Speaker 5: a while. The vision of the show is being shamed.

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Speaker 1: We know.

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Speaker 4: To us it's very lot of nose, like you know,

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Speaker 4: I mean at a certain point, no stop meaning yes, right.

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Speaker 1: You don't get better weather than this, guys, don't. I

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Speaker 1: don't think. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I only have one caveat though for how we do this. Actually,

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Speaker 4: Jesus one, I may have to leave early to defecate,

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Speaker 4: but just.

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Speaker 1: Go in your pants like normal.

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Speaker 4: The only thing I asked you guys to be fair

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Speaker 4: is obviously not to interrupt each other, which is, you know,

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Speaker 4: usually a big part.

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right about that, But you.

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Speaker 2: Know, I would hope that people know.

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Speaker 4: I can get a lot of bullshit takes about UFC

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Speaker 4: two eighty one this week, but if I want the

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Speaker 4: real talk, like like the men do, they're.

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Speaker 1: Coming to m K.

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Speaker 4: They're coming right here to the pregame previews. So Chuck,

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Speaker 4: you're gonna have to You're gonna have tona have to

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Speaker 4: take those and take that rod and that bait and

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Speaker 4: tackle out, and you're gonna have to use it right.

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Speaker 3: Get my line wet? All right, I'm ready. How you doing, Chuck?

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Speaker 3: I'm well, man, I well. I was an enjoy I

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Speaker 3: was enjoying all of your activities in Phoenix, and I'm

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Speaker 3: glad that you guys made it back one piece.

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Speaker 2: You see the damn horse that bit that guy.

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Speaker 1: I only learned that you bit you when I you

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Speaker 1: talked about it. I didn't know it actually did it.

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Speaker 1: I didn't see it more of a nibble.

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Speaker 5: But I want to claim a traumatic experience for stories

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was all right. BC was a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a hoe the whole time you all come on.

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Speaker 1: You were hoeing it up.

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Speaker 2: Oh how was I hoeing it up?

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Speaker 1: Every time we got in the car. Every time we

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Speaker 1: got in the car.

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Speaker 5: Here's what VC did I mean when I say every time,

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Speaker 5: I mean Chuck, every time.

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Speaker 1: This trip is very long. It's like Karen settled down.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's a pardem.

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Speaker 1: Did you not complain about every time we took it?

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Speaker 2: I mean our hotel was forty minutes away.

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Speaker 1: From the it wasn't close. I agree.

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Speaker 5: But that's over with and now we have shifted to

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Speaker 5: one of the biggest fight weeks of the year.

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Speaker 1: Here we are. It's going to be in New York City,

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Speaker 1: just across the river.

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Speaker 2: Can I start right here? Can I just jump in

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Speaker 2: and cut you off?

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Speaker 1: Chuck? Yeah, I guess you can. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: When you hear MSG, brother, it matters.

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Speaker 1: It does matter.

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Speaker 3: And I feel like it's we haven't been there enough,

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Speaker 4: So four last year sucked.

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Speaker 2: DC versus Lewis sucked.

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Speaker 4: But there's something about that building, that air, that space,

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Speaker 4: journalistic area. So there's like a desk and we were

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Speaker 2: No one cares.

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Speaker 1: That sounds about right.

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Speaker 2: It was a guy in a wheelchair sitting like right

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, how many crimes are you going to

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Speaker 3: The whole point is this Chuck learned so much already

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Speaker 4: I regularly argue of UFC needing to have majors, meaning

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Speaker 4: majors a year, like tennis and golf, and we knew it.

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Speaker 4: So on the screen you just knew that's a major UFC.

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Speaker 4: At MSG in NYC with the BDE that the BBC

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Speaker 2: It's this is this is the big time.

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Speaker 4: And this year they did give us the names the

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Speaker 3: Soon would the APEX shows be then under this new hierarchy,

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Speaker 3: Like if there's majors, and what.

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Speaker 4: Its like triple A, like like when you get called

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Speaker 4: down to the minors. No, no, no, seriously, though, have

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Speaker 4: you been how many of the five have you been

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Speaker 1: Four? I was at the first few.

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Speaker 3: that was Okay, it was.

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Speaker 4: A year ago this year, and yeah we were at

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Speaker 3: You guys remember the very first one and there were

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Speaker 3: But I think that's because the partition was down they

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Speaker 4: New Amsterdam is like the Amsterdam now of combat sports,

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Speaker 4: because remember when you turned eighteen, like, man, I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: It's like coming to the new Amsterdam, we can we

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Speaker 4: two of five two seventeen. Don't forget the rock and

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Speaker 4: trump at two forty four, but two eighty one as

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Speaker 4: constituted on paper, what should we expect?

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Speaker 2: How good is this fight car going to be?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm hoping it delivers, but there are a

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Speaker 3: Chandler and Porya. I hate to see it's a slam

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Speaker 3: how they've treated Madison Square Garden in the past, I

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Speaker 1: I just feel like they're going to come out and

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Speaker 4: You did say that before, Rose Waaley two and Woodley

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Speaker 1: Come on, I never did say that. Yeah, Tito Chuck

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Speaker 3: Now I think it's a good card man. I mean,

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Speaker 3: All right, let's start here with the fights themselves.

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Speaker 5: So in the main event, as we all know know,

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Speaker 5: Israel adis Sonia taking on Alex Paeda.

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, what's your take on his attempts

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Speaker 5: I would say in general, I would say in general

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Speaker 5: There are too many languages to get good right, and

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Speaker 5: there's too many names. You pronounced Israel's name Addisonia, Is

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Speaker 5: That's neither here nor there. Thank you for that family

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Speaker 3: They have the backstory, and they've been able to use

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Speaker 3: If you have a guy coming out up that is supposedly,

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Speaker 3: you know, the Kryptonites, what he's been doing, I always

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Speaker 3: he's got his number. This is a very intriguing fight.

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Speaker 3: far as is he it's It's funny. I was watching

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Speaker 3: your interview with him, and he still seems to me like.

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Speaker 1: This magnetic personality.

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Speaker 3: He's just very natural handling questions and telling you what's

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Speaker 4: Your thoughts on his parda padata perita pronunciation was a

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Speaker 2: Well, because he's even gave.

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Speaker 4: This fight against Parrera, is because I think Pereira is

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Speaker 2: It's situational, it's matchup wise.

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Speaker 4: This matchup has the storyline and I think the styles where.

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Speaker 2: Well sometimes atis Sonia teases in that area.

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Speaker 4: So even though Tyson Fury is a bigger star and

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Speaker 2: He'll be retiring tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: The next day he'll be making you know anti it's

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Speaker 2: And then the next day after that he'll be like

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Speaker 4: So tyson fury to me is all over the place

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Speaker 4: I think Audustini is just so himself. He's not trying

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Speaker 4: can't figure out who he is, is he the trash

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Speaker 3: Therefore they can't care enough. That's what I was trying

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Speaker 4: I was like, they can't identify completely enough with one.

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Speaker 3: sure there would be like this outcrap people dancing on

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Speaker 1: Enough about him yet, you know what I mean. Damn well,

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Speaker 3: I mean I I if he lost this fight, if

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Speaker 3: But I don't feel like it would be some kind

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Speaker 5: Undefeated at middleweight. His fifth or sixth title defense. I mean,

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Speaker 4: On the flip side of stops his rival in Madison

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Speaker 3: Here, I think, well, then we're talking about the thing

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Speaker 5: They've done a good job promoting it. Storyline is two

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Speaker 1: Yeh, fuck it up.

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Speaker 3: So it's like it's I feel like this is the moment.

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Speaker 3: The other ones it was always like it. I don't

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Speaker 3: the meritocracy of the woodwork figures that were coming up,

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Speaker 3: This is the one that's casting doubt with the backstory

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Speaker 1: It's a big event.

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Speaker 3: I just I think this could be the moment if

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Speaker 3: we're going to see it, it would be now okay, But.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's the moment that changes his career.

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Speaker 4: I think it's he's going to swing where sometimes he'll

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Speaker 4: he's never consistently enough one thing that people can't classify him,

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Speaker 4: like I said, as hero and villain or I love

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Speaker 4: that guy, or he's a killer or destroyer, because tomorrow

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Speaker 4: he may be a defensive point mayven and when to

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Speaker 4: fight that way. He's just he's just to do him

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Speaker 2: But it only takes one more.

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Speaker 5: I mean the enthusiasm after he beat Costa was real. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 5: Was the first Destroyer to come and yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: And obviously he played out very much in.

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Speaker 3: Is he favor, But you enjoyed his last three performances

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Speaker 1: At two five.

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Speaker 5: Here's what I told him yesterday, and I do stand

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Speaker 5: by this, which is that are the fights themselves like

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Speaker 5: And what it looks like has happened is that these

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Speaker 5: the fans aren't loving to me. Blaming Izzy for that

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Speaker 5: solely seems insane, seems completely fucking insane. Does he bear

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Speaker 5: is trying to catch up. They've made inroads, but only

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Speaker 5: this friction. That's not that fun. That's is his fault.

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Speaker 5: How full the fuck is that is his fault?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 4: I know it's not, but it happens to every long

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Speaker 2: On the tail end of.

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Speaker 4: Those runs where they're smarter than everybody else, they prepare harder,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna do that.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna stick with that, And it's but at the

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Speaker 4: out of that mode, will.

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Speaker 2: You excitingly knock you out and engage with you.

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Speaker 4: He will, But cannon Air got up a certain point

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Speaker 2: Some of these other guys the same thing, right, So

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Speaker 4: It's going to be dependent on the situation in the

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Speaker 2: What is he at worse the.

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Speaker 4: Second or third upon best fighter in the world at

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Speaker 4: the moment, he's twelve and oh at middleweight, he's been out,

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Speaker 2: I mean, no.

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Speaker 3: Value to the argument though he's fighting safer basically a.

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Speaker 1: Countip and just not yes, but he is.

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Speaker 5: Yes, he is fighting safe more efficient, Yes, yes, And

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Speaker 5: it's no doubt about that because he can't quite get

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Speaker 5: At this point, it was like what we want and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but in the two to tango theory, his opponents

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Speaker 4: You know, I may have won three or four in

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Speaker 4: a row to get to this point by knocking people out,

445
00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,640
Speaker 4: but those were different circumstances. I don't know if I'm

446
00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,600
Speaker 4: willing to pay that potential risk. People also realize quickly

447
00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,000
Speaker 4: that they can get knocked out by this guy, and

448
00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,520
Speaker 4: that plays into it. But if you're the champion, I

449
00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,439
Speaker 4: almost would side with is he even if people are

450
00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,040
Speaker 4: booing like they did were in the cannon air fight

451
00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:30,879
Speaker 4: and say, it's up to you guys to come take

452
00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:32,720
Speaker 4: it from me. So if you're not, and I know

453
00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,160
Speaker 4: I'm beating you this way. Look look, the only time

454
00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:36,919
Speaker 4: I ripped it, The only time I Rippedzzy was the

455
00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,800
Speaker 4: Romero fight because I thought that he took the unnecessary

456
00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,640
Speaker 4: gamble that the judges might see it differently. Since then,

457
00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,600
Speaker 4: I feel like anytime that it's been boring quote unquote boring,

458
00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:47,960
Speaker 4: I've appreciated the master work. And I felt like he's

459
00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,040
Speaker 4: just drawn that line and saying, if you're not going

460
00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:51,800
Speaker 4: to cross this line, I'm gonna win this fight.

461
00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:52,920
Speaker 2: So it's up to you.

462
00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:54,960
Speaker 4: Isn't that some point it's up to these guys to

463
00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,360
Speaker 4: go for it.

464
00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,679
Speaker 3: It's crazy when you think back to Anderson Silva, right, like,

465
00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:00,879
Speaker 3: you think of a guy who could turn it on

466
00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,880
Speaker 3: at some point, like he'd start to he would start

467
00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:04,720
Speaker 3: to get into this mojo and then he would feel

468
00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:06,000
Speaker 3: it out, and then he would start to take over

469
00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:07,840
Speaker 3: a fight, and he was able to be exciting and

470
00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:09,639
Speaker 3: win a lot of fights in a row, and you

471
00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,480
Speaker 3: realize just how difficult that is. We didn't really criticize

472
00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,520
Speaker 3: GSP in the end for like as much as we

473
00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,760
Speaker 3: do nowadays for just kind of cerebrally going about game

474
00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,120
Speaker 3: planning and exploiting weaknesses and having things like that and

475
00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:23,639
Speaker 3: making it a boring fight if he needed to.

476
00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:25,280
Speaker 1: We didn't really get onto him because he.

477
00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,120
Speaker 4: Was still done a little bit, but a little bit

478
00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,000
Speaker 4: a little bit, But I think it was favor with

479
00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,399
Speaker 4: the general crowd of people not wanting to boo him

480
00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:32,439
Speaker 4: or or criticize that. Right.

481
00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,760
Speaker 3: It's a tough thing, though, man, because I feel like

482
00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,080
Speaker 3: he's got an audacious kind of personality.

483
00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:39,199
Speaker 1: He tells you what it is.

484
00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,320
Speaker 3: It's sets a high expectation, it really does, and I

485
00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,639
Speaker 3: think that that's we're not We don't level those two

486
00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,240
Speaker 3: things so far with the Sack like some of these.

487
00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,119
Speaker 5: Also, Like I think there's a lot of things I

488
00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:49,639
Speaker 5: want to bring up I didn't have time for. But

489
00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:51,639
Speaker 5: you know, if you're going to walk out with the

490
00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,040
Speaker 5: Undertaker's music in this earn exactly that you're setting a

491
00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,440
Speaker 5: certain expectator, you have to know, you have to know

492
00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,879
Speaker 5: like you're setting a certain expectation with that. And so

493
00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:01,520
Speaker 5: that's why I think this fight is so important and

494
00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,080
Speaker 5: so many other for many reasons, one of which is,

495
00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,719
Speaker 5: while he's facing a unique threat in Podata, it's incumbent

496
00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,640
Speaker 5: upon him, and he alluded to this in the interview,

497
00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:10,280
Speaker 5: that he's got a new set of skills, a new

498
00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,439
Speaker 5: new way of looking at things, and new approaches, some

499
00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,399
Speaker 5: new strategies. We'll see what it all turns out to.

500
00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:16,560
Speaker 5: I want to talk about put it in just a second,

501
00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:18,080
Speaker 5: because he has a crazy story we have to get

502
00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,040
Speaker 5: to as well. But of course, the other element here is,

503
00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,160
Speaker 5: as he said yesterday to me, he didn't know who

504
00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:24,719
Speaker 5: was next. He hadn't even looked at the division. He

505
00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,520
Speaker 5: was just focused on this. And then we'll see. And

506
00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,600
Speaker 5: the answer is, I mean, Whittaker's down there. Well, I

507
00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,600
Speaker 5: guess the thing is, if Whittaker beats Costa. Oh, sorry

508
00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,040
Speaker 5: for protesting your mic. If Whittaker beats Costa, I guess

509
00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:37,320
Speaker 5: you could do a third Whittaker fight.

510
00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:38,879
Speaker 1: I'd be interested in it. But I bet if youre

511
00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,520
Speaker 1: is A, you have zero interest in that. So is it.

512
00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,119
Speaker 5: If he wins, it's two to five, right, Like, what

513
00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:45,280
Speaker 5: the fuck else is it gonna be?

514
00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,080
Speaker 3: I mean, he's mentioned that he wouldn't mind putting hands

515
00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:52,080
Speaker 3: on Sean Strickland. Yes, doesn't really make sense yet, you

516
00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,200
Speaker 3: know what I mean. It's Strickland beats Cannon, that's true.

517
00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,520
Speaker 3: I guess you could then make I guess an argument.

518
00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,200
Speaker 1: That's I mean, after getting crushed by Podata.

519
00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,480
Speaker 2: And we it seems right now, so there is no

520
00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:02,760
Speaker 2: one The answer is that there's no one.

521
00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,359
Speaker 3: Choke oh Man Hamza would be It would be great

522
00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,000
Speaker 3: if that could happen. But yeah, I think two of

523
00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,240
Speaker 3: five would be the one. I mean, I feel like

524
00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,680
Speaker 3: he's unresolved too. Nobody wants to go take that one

525
00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,720
Speaker 3: l and then not return to I feel like he's

526
00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:15,919
Speaker 3: that kind of competitor, So I think that that would be.

527
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:17,800
Speaker 1: I was looking at the rankings. I mean, he's already

528
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:18,960
Speaker 1: I mean, the.

529
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,879
Speaker 3: Top five besides Peretra, Like he's beat once or twice

530
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,480
Speaker 3: every one of them, you know, so it's kind.

531
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,159
Speaker 4: Of Leacin Bowneckle get into a title shot there not

532
00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:27,679
Speaker 4: that quickly.

533
00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:31,359
Speaker 5: But here's what's interesting. If I he wins, would be

534
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,399
Speaker 5: fun right away. If is he wins and he actually

535
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,240
Speaker 5: just kind of like you know, jabs and Low kicks

536
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,440
Speaker 5: him for five rounds and the fans fucking hate him.

537
00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:38,000
Speaker 1: I got win.

538
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:40,679
Speaker 5: I think the call to the UFC hate him at

539
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,080
Speaker 5: that point, well maybe, but they at that point. A

540
00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,720
Speaker 5: third Whittaker fight I think becomes much more likely but

541
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,640
Speaker 5: if he goes in there and like polishes off Pareta,

542
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 5: there might be some calls for a Whitaker fight, but

543
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:56,160
Speaker 5: I don't think it's as urgent. Yeah, if it were

544
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,359
Speaker 5: a decision, that seems reasonable, right, Yes.

545
00:20:58,280 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 3: If he goes in and blows the doors off it,

546
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:01,959
Speaker 3: but though like where do you what do you think happens?

547
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:03,000
Speaker 1: Then just two o five?

548
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I could see this being the fight

549
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,520
Speaker 5: they give him another title shot at two o five.

550
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,679
Speaker 5: Maybe they should maybe hard he would have to go

551
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 5: in there and really stunt.

552
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 3: That'd be crazy if it was his uh it was Glover,

553
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 3: his uh pana, his training partner.

554
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 5: Although Glover fucking old Glover wrestle. Dude, that's a tough

555
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,679
Speaker 5: fight too. Yeah, that's a wild to fight. Let's talk

556
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,359
Speaker 5: about Patata for just a second. History is fucking bananas.

557
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 5: So if my math is right, it's three hundred and

558
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 5: seventy one days between his first UFC fight and his

559
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 5: title shot.

560
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 1: Dude, that's like a.

561
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 3: Brock Lesnar timeline. We thought that they kind of expedited.

562
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 3: Is there a lot of song you remember? Like, but

563
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 3: he had five fights before it was a sixth fight

564
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 3: that was for the interim title. This is only his

565
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 3: what fourth fourth in the UFC, fourth in UFC more

566
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 3: expedited than even a.

567
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 2: Crazy sixth and one is a pro mm A fighter.

568
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean since really turning and becoming a

569
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,160
Speaker 3: real mix training in full time, only.

570
00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:59,680
Speaker 1: This fourth fully converted. Yeah.

571
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so he's only had three fights in the UC.

572
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 3: I mean this is as expedite as it gets, right,

573
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,160
Speaker 3: I mean like you're throwing him into the fire right now.

574
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,920
Speaker 3: He's thirty four. True, it makes sense, right, it makes

575
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 3: sense given everything to like what we just mentioned that

576
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,639
Speaker 3: there's not a lot of options at the top of

577
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 3: that division. You have the backstory. I think this is

578
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 3: the most compelling fight. I know that you like the

579
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 3: Whittaker some of them were really fun to think about,

580
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 3: but compelling in storylines too, and just psychological interplay like

581
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 3: how much is he in is he's head?

582
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 1: You know, things like that. I think that it's fascinating

583
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 1: on those levels too, you know.

584
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 5: I mean, you can't in any way say that you

585
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 5: don't take Padata's chances seriously because he's fought the guy

586
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 5: twice in kickboxing and once viciously stopped him. On the

587
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 5: other hand, you also have to acknowledge there's just no

588
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 5: getting around this. Not only was the timeline expedite them,

589
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 5: but like, just look around. If you're in the UFC,

590
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 5: you're in the entertainment business, you're in the product business.

591
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 5: There was no other fight they were going to make

592
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 5: with half as interesting as a storyline. And you could

593
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 5: say that the Whittaker third fight would have an interesting storyline,

594
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 5: but I think people would be fucking bored with it

595
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 5: a little bit.

596
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 2: I don't think there's as much customer want for that.

597
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's my point.

598
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 5: It's like, of all your possible choices, the Potato one

599
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 5: was by far the best story to sell, and that, indeed,

600
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 5: in addition to his own very impressive performances, played a

601
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 5: role here how we got to this one hundred percent.

602
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 3: I heard him say, I don't know if it was

603
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 3: maybe in your interview where, uh, you know, he's that

604
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 3: Puteta is only here because of him, and I mean

605
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 3: he said that in a few players. Yeah, I mean

606
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 3: it's just it's it's true. It is true. But you

607
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 3: could also make the opposite point that Izzy's only in

608
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 3: the USC because he lost, you know, he got kind

609
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 3: of kicked out the right way it's it's just a uh,

610
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 3: the psychological interplay like and you know, I love that

611
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 3: sort of thing because we've seen guys losings for some

612
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 3: reason if it beats him up inside, and I think

613
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 3: I do feel like that. Izz he is one of

614
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 3: those guys who's mentally strong. But there's something about like

615
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 3: when you see a guy again who's already beat you

616
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 3: or whatever. You know, a team you see it all

617
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 3: the time in team sports. Some of them are inexplicable

618
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 3: where they just they just have a mental numb Yeah

619
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 3: they have the number, and then the other team, even

620
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 3: though they may be superior, they just don't know how

621
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 3: to get over it.

622
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 4: Like running into an next girlfriend and you're sort of like,

623
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 4: and I'm pastor look at me, I'm better off, but

624
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 4: you know you can catch that eye and you and

625
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 4: you know it's the same.

626
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: It does happen when you go to Denny's often, Uh.

627
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 2: He sod once that camera turns on, he's so dismissive

628
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 2: of me.

629
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 4: But once the camera's off, he's like always like, how

630
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 4: do I do like touch and stuff is like it's such,

631
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 4: it's so weird.

632
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 1: I do to Yeah, dude, Yeah that's great.

633
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 2: But no to this to this point here.

634
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 4: Luke and I debated this on MK the idea of okay,

635
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 4: it has to mean something that Padeta beat him twice

636
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 4: and once by knockout, it doesn't mean it's impossible for

637
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 4: it not to mean anything, even though they are completely

638
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 4: different fighters. I feel like from what I heard from

639
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 4: Luke talking to Izzy, that Izzy is using this the

640
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 4: best possible way as fuel. Is there any scenario in

641
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 4: which Izzy could get in trouble, whether it's not being

642
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 4: afraid of him, but maybe being too overconfident and trying

643
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 4: to make a point. I think it He's going in

644
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 4: here wanting to stop this guy. I mean, of course

645
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 4: you want to stop everybody. But is do you feel

646
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 4: like he's harnessing this power, which is this backstory and

647
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 4: this for all the right ways against this opponent. Does

648
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 4: he need to be aware, offensive, aggressive and ready to

649
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 4: go against him or is it better off for is

650
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 4: he to do a Cannoneer like performance.

651
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 1: Again, there's a lot of factors into this.

652
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 3: I feel like he does understand the pressure of this

653
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 3: hurdle because people are talking about it, you know, the

654
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 3: general perception is, well, there's there's this guy out here

655
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 3: who can beat him, you know, And I don't think

656
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 3: that he particularly wanted to fight, you know what I mean,

657
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 3: Like I think if he had his brothers, he's fighting

658
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 3: somebody else.

659
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: But this is the situation he's handling it.

660
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I mean, I do think that

661
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 3: he's going to do and this will be something.

662
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: I believe they're going to engage.

663
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 3: I feel like something's going to happen and you're going

664
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 3: to see that happ that moment where it's going to

665
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 3: get real, and that's that's when it's just I mean,

666
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 3: I'm getting goosebumps think about it, because it's just it's

667
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 3: an awesome, like real hanity, right man, I mean from

668
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 3: what we've seen, and you might you probably because you

669
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 3: were working with Glory for a while, like you may

670
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 3: have seen him put out a fight more than I

671
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 3: left just before he got okay, because I've seen him

672
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 3: fight a couple of times and obviously watched the Izzy fights.

673
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 3: But I just you know, just his the way he fights,

674
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 3: his aggressiveness, his precision, you know what I mean, Like

675
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 3: it's the power he's people.

676
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just dude, I just yeah, I love

677
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: the idea.

678
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 2: Seriously, I was.

679
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: In I was in the gym.

680
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 3: Uh he trains out really close to where I'm at

681
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 3: in Danbury, and I was in the gym dominic. Grays

682
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 3: was in there, and there's a bunch of dudes what's

683
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 3: his name for, Nelly Feelings, all those cats, those but

684
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 3: the junior and senior. So he's he's just rotating through

685
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 3: these guys, and I mean, he's just such a machine.

686
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 3: And you see him going, He's throwing off his headgear

687
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 3: and just like, you know, I mean, just a machine.

688
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 3: I'm talking to him afterwards, and I know there's a

689
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 3: language bearrier, but he just seems like just this cold,

690
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 3: no expression on his face, just a killer. And I'm like,

691
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 3: you're trying to figure out where the the emotional temperature

692
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 3: is or whatever, and you can't get it. I mean,

693
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 3: it's just I don't feel like he's uh, he's bothered

694
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 3: by any Here's what's weird rock.

695
00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, So the best part about this fight to me

696
00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 4: is obviously the unknown about Pea as an MMA fighter,

697
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 4: And obviously you add in the backstory and it's even better.

698
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 4: But what we don't know is also so exciting because

699
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 4: he could be way better than we think.

700
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: True.

701
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 4: He could go in there and get handled in a

702
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 4: technical match. He also could be just way more mentally,

703
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 4: sound tough in every possible way. But because he puts

704
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 4: out a demeanor that's so foreign villains with no personality,

705
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 4: it really ramps up the what cards hiding? You got

706
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 4: to see his package? What is he hiding? I mean,

707
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 4: what what is?

708
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 1: He's a fine package. It's a but you both get

709
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 1: the fuck out. Uh, you know what I was.

710
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 3: You know what I was thinking is you're a Star

711
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 3: Wars guy, Like you watched the first movie.

712
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 1: I used to be a Star Wars right, Well, so

713
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: the first the first.

714
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 3: Three movies, you know, like the original movies. You know,

715
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 3: you think it's Luke Skywalker's story, right, like you're you're

716
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 3: watching Luke's Skywalker's story unfold, that he's a fucking bitch.

717
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 3: But by the third movie you realize it's really Darth.

718
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 3: It's Anakin. It's Darth Vader's story. That's a bigger bitch.

719
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 3: This is kind of the set up here because if

720
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 3: Alexa goes in there and beats is he at a Sonya,

721
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 3: suddenly he owns his life rights like he he like

722
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 3: he takes everything. It's his story being told now, like

723
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 3: he takes the whole story, and then we realize it's

724
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 3: always been his story.

725
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 1: It's a weird thing.

726
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 4: Oh, I just my mind just got blown by that.

727
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 5: I thought you'd appreciate it. I don't know if he

728
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 5: takes the whole story. I mean, the guy's been an

729
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 5: undefeated middle got his life rights, he's got his soul

730
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 5: in a jar life.

731
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 4: That means Eugene Barriman is watto right from episode Onenakin,

732
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 4: what are you gonna always bring the Jedi.

733
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 5: The guy who had slaves casually flying slave?

734
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 2: Any real question here?

735
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 4: Chuck all right, because Qui gon In in the sixth

736
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 4: in the Nine Movies is incredibly overrat considering like, look,

737
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 4: Lookpi Gon bitch episode six, Luke is the coolest will

738
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 4: ever be dressed in black Jedi Vicious.

739
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: He was cool.

740
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 2: He's a bitch the rest of his life.

741
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 4: His dad's Anakin is all bitch except for when he

742
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 4: put on the black. Do you think Qui gon banged

743
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 4: Schmie Skywalker Anakin's mother when he was like spending all

744
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 4: that time in their house checking the Midichlorians? Yo, he

745
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 4: daf checking. Qui gon definitely hit that.

746
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 3: Okay, Eventually we'll get to that level ajoing the adult features,

747
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 3: Am I right?

748
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 2: And b would you have as well?

749
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: Uh? Correct?

750
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 5: And yes, of course he would have banged half the

751
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 5: things moseying through the moss, iicley canteen.

752
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 2: Lights, saber in your.

753
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what. He's just trying to get up beer.

754
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: I mean, that's talking about sorry, talking about.

755
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 5: Podata and taking his whole life. That's an interesting one.

756
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 5: That seems a little aggressive.

757
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 4: That would be, by the way, which is in play

758
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 4: if you look at the odds.

759
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: Obviously this is a close odds.

760
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 3: You know, like he's taking his his life rights. In

761
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 3: terms of artistically, you took everything I worked.

762
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:57,719
Speaker 1: No, I know what you mean.

763
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 5: What I mean is like, ultimately you you're just a

764
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 5: character in his story.

765
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,959
Speaker 3: That's what I'm trying to say. But but I mean,

766
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 3: obviously that's okay.

767
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: What if it's competitive.

768
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 5: What if it actually looks a like the second fight again,

769
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 5: where is he's like whooping his ass for two rounds

770
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 5: or something and then the third round just gets the

771
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 5: doors blown off and stopped.

772
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: What if they do that, because then you're going to

773
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: get immediate rematch. Ter.

774
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 4: So that's what I was trying for the last like

775
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 4: minute I've been trying to grab throw that.

776
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: One time when Luke was on Tatoine, he was jacketing off.

777
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,959
Speaker 4: I have reset though and come at you, you know,

778
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 4: in the right way. But my whole point was this

779
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 4: is in the weird backwards way. But no one would

780
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 4: ever want this is the best thing to happen Isy

781
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 4: in his marketing to lose this by stoppage, because this

782
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 4: rematch would be if Alex Pata comes in there and

783
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 4: takes his story, he takes his title, taxes everything. That

784
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 4: rematch would not only offer Isy the like ultimate redemption angle,

785
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 4: it would be a massive fight.

786
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 3: Sometimes, Uh, you know, you need the jail sun to

787
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 3: come in and kind of lift Silva off the ground, right,

788
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 3: Like you got to kind of give him something more

789
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 3: than just whatever he had going on that time, Like

790
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 3: sometimes you need the foil.

791
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: And I could see that working too. I could see

792
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: where is he.

793
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 3: Might actually get, especially if it's just a really good

794
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 3: fight and then he loses, Yeah, and they have that rematch.

795
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 3: I could see the rematch being very big and people

796
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 3: having a fondness for is he maybe that isn't there

797
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 3: yet or maybe a sense of caring we were talking about

798
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 3: earlier that wasn't there yet because.

799
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 4: Look, people I think, look at it, is he like

800
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 4: I said, and they feel like they can't officially identify

801
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 4: because they're like, it's kind of a bad ass, but

802
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 4: not really.

803
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 2: He's kind of a trash talker, but he's also this

804
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: anime nerd.

805
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 4: If he does the American way, which is climb through adversity,

806
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 4: whether it's through losing and coming back or just being

807
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 4: in a crazy fight here and winning it. That's the

808
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 4: ultimate way to shut up all the haters and to

809
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 4: win all the people is by handling your business and

810
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 4: walking through hell to do that. That is in play

811
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 4: in this fight is he has a lot of ways

812
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 4: to win this beyond just winning it right, Like this

813
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 4: could be I think I am getting fired up for this.

814
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 4: I kind of wish I would in the building Saturday

815
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 4: rather than sitting right here and just I love.

816
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: The analytical stuff, like what do you think is he from.

817
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 5: A clitical standpoint, Here's the simplest way I can put that.

818
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 5: And I feel very confident in saying it's okay again

819
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 5: because there's a YouTube channel out there that's taking clips

820
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 5: of what people say. Yeah, and then like if you

821
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 5: he picked Makachev to win ended up being right. But

822
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 5: we said nice things, Like one thing I said was

823
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 5: I said that old Evera has better striking than Makachev.

824
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 5: Prior to eighty. The evidence was very much in favor

825
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,479
Speaker 5: of that claim. It just turns out through to you,

826
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 5: to idiot, it's not. But what I.

827
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: Would say is this the best way to understand it.

828
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: From what I can.

829
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 5: Tell is he is the more skilled of the two.

830
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 5: He is the more skilled, he's the more technical of

831
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 5: the two. He's more skilled. The real big X factor

832
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 5: is that Pareta is more lethal. He has one punch

833
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 5: ko power or you know, just one one strike fight

834
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 5: changing power in a way that is he does not

835
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 5: typically now is he has had to put guys out

836
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 5: with single shots before, like with Costa basically, and that

837
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 5: wasn't quite single shot, but you know, the one behind

838
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 5: the the ear got him down. So to me, it's

839
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 5: like you know, we all say in boxing, when someone

840
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 5: fights Floyd Mayweather, they're like, he's got to be perfect

841
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 5: for twelve rounds. I have to be perfect for one instant.

842
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 5: With the Deontay Wilder thing, it's not quite like Deontay Wilder.

843
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 5: That's not quite right, I know what you're saying, but

844
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 5: is he has to be more dialed in and he

845
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 5: has more ways to do it. But Jesus Christ Pereira, however,

846
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 5: want to say, it is very, very fucking danger.

847
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: We should unify our pronunciation of we should we should unifor.

848
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: Just go with three different ones. All right, let's talk

849
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: about the comin event here for a second.

850
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 5: Geez, Louise, is there a two time UFC champion who

851
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 5: has less identity as a champion? Carla's sparsa and I

852
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 5: really hate to introduce it this way. She fights Jong Wiley,

853
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 5: everyone and their brothers do. We had Dean Thomas on

854
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 5: the show on Friday and he's like, yeah, I'm not

855
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 5: even worried.

856
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: About this fight.

857
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 5: Uh, Carlo's gonna get her head cut off.

858
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: It is what it is.

859
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 5: We're like, Jesus, like, no one shit about this one.

860
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: Are they wrong? Are they right? I mean no, no,

861
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: listen listen.

862
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 3: Like they showed they showed I forget which event was

863
00:33:59,000 --> 00:33:59,959
Speaker 3: it just happened recently.

864
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: It was it was one of It wasn't an a picture.

865
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: It was at an arena.

866
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 3: I forget which one it was, but they had they

867
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 3: were showing the celebrities, you know how they do this

868
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 3: on the the JumboTron they're showing it and the telecast

869
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 3: and they showed I think it was Brandon Morano and

870
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 3: there's a big pop you could hear it, and then

871
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 3: they flashed over to Carlos Sparza and I don't even

872
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 3: want to say it was crickets because crickets are allowed

873
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 3: obnoxious little insects like it was pin drop stuff.

874
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: It was like you couldn't hear anything.

875
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 3: And I was like, man, I've never seen them flashed

876
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 3: or a champion who just got nothing in the live environment,

877
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 3: you know, like nothing.

878
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: So I mean, if you just look at that alone.

879
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 5: Here's the thing I've seen it where it's like, who's

880
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 5: the least you know, heralded UFC champion of all time?

881
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: And it's like with the answer, but.

882
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 5: Like to Carla is a that's Carlo's a two time champ, right,

883
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 5: two times great?

884
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 4: Not like she's the two times featherweight champions, like the

885
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 4: greatest division of women's ever moved.

886
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's she has no You asked me about

887
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 5: her as a fighter, you could tell me like what's

888
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 5: what what? Like what what has her championship? Reign been like,

889
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 5: it's just I have nothing to say about it. She's

890
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 5: she's looking for a title defense, that's the point. But

891
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 5: she's been here twice now and we have no real

892
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 5: claim to like what identity she has?

893
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 4: I chuck the question is this? Is it because of

894
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 4: the rosary match? Is it because carl is always in

895
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 4: split her majority decisions?

896
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: Yeah?

897
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 4: Is it because people just hate her and people love

898
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 4: Wayy so much? What's going on right now? Because nobody

899
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 4: cares about this fight. They're not I like this fight.

900
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: Oh it's a good fight.

901
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 3: But if you're looking at her as a champion, I

902
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 3: mean I sort of feel like she's a nightmare. And

903
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 3: I hate saying this stuff, but you know, the UFC

904
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 3: had something in rose Nam Units. They had somebody who

905
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 3: had a compelling something going on. They really tried to

906
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 3: get behind that too, and like really put that out.

907
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 3: What do you actually market with somebody like Carlos Sparza,

908
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 3: who you know, sucks the life out of somebody and

909
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 3: sometimes in a fight and just kind of nullifies offense

910
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 3: and then dominates in ways that aren't spectacular, you know

911
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, And then she wins, like you said,

912
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 3: split decisions throughout her last four I think are split decisions.

913
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 3: She beats Rose Numus, who I think that a lot

914
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 3: of people were emotionally tied to, you know, I think

915
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 3: the UFC really loves her, so she beats her in

916
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 3: a very non descript way.

917
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 4: In a real talk Chuck to say that that fight

918
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 4: fucking it did?

919
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: It sucked? Man?

920
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 2: So I think the worst title fight of all time.

921
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 3: Man, There's been a few, but I feel like that

922
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 3: was definitely there's definitely up there. It's definitely up there.

923
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 3: And I just none of this does are any favors.

924
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 3: None of this does are any favors. So it's just

925
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 3: I don't know. The needle is in't movie. It might

926
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 3: benefit her to be on this card, you know, kind

927
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 3: of as the co Maine. I don't know how this

928
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 3: will play out, but uh no, I mean I just

929
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 3: feel like she doesn't She just doesn't move the needle, man.

930
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: I don't know.

931
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 3: It's a combination of all those things you just said, though.

932
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 3: I think it's everything.

933
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 4: People want Rose to be champion. Her documentary is coming

934
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 4: out tomorrow. If carsn't that funny. It's like they're running

935
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 4: a documentary on Rosea. If Whaley beats her on Saturday.

936
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 4: I'm telling you they're running back Whaley Rose three. It's

937
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 4: like this historical matchup between all time greats. Yet none

938
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 4: of you know how many people are two time champions.

939
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 4: Rose happens to be. But Carla is here. So let's

940
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 4: look at this matchup with young Wayley. I get when

941
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 4: you look at recent history, a lot of things why

942
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 4: Whaley would be a favorite.

943
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 2: But she's a massive favorite in this.

944
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 5: What she's four like minus three hundred po that's higher

945
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 5: than I would have.

946
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's basically a you know, three and a half

947
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 4: to four to one favorite here. So now, just to

948
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 4: put them into context, Carla has been the underdog in

949
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 4: six of her last seven fights. The only one that

950
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 4: she wasn't was the Vernad Gander. Yeah, which, by the way,

951
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 4: she's won five in a row.

952
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 2: She went six in a row, four by majority or

953
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 2: split decision.

954
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 4: But when you look at the matchup, I don't look

955
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 4: I think Waley's gonna win.

956
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pick her. I think she should be the favorite.

957
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 2: She should be a four to one over somebody like

958
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 2: a Sparsa. I don't see that. I just don't see that.

959
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 3: I think Whaley's going to win, but I think it's

960
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 3: really because she's she is packing power too right, and

961
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 3: I think Tank and she would both of them like

962
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 3: the kind of you you know this stuff better than me,

963
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 3: But it seems to me they like to make it

964
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 3: a little clinch, you know, get in closer.

965
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: You know.

966
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 3: I don't know where it takes place, but I just

967
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 3: feel like that power will translate, and it'll translate early

968
00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 3: enough where Carla.

969
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: Will not be able to do her game play.

970
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 3: I still remember when, you know, when when it was

971
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 3: na check at UFC one eighty five started to just

972
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 3: light up Carlos Sparza and you saw that moment where

973
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 3: she was like, I don't know what to I'm done,

974
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 3: And it happened early. It was existential vertigo on that point.

975
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 5: Once she's going to go, Once it dawned on her, yeah,

976
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 5: that the takedown wasn't gonna happen.

977
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: Actually, that's what I mean. It was like, what, yeah,

978
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: fuck do I do?

979
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 3: So I can envision a scenario like that, you know,

980
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 3: And I think that this is the right matchup for

981
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 3: Wailey to get her belt back.

982
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 5: I do like her relistically on the specie brought up

983
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 5: a great point today on sometimes right. No, No, I

984
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 5: get dude, I am partnered with you. I obviously think

985
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 5: highly of you, but I also know you and you're

986
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 5: a fucking dirtbag loser.

987
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 4: Wow, truck, I mean as a fellow Connecticut right.

988
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: There, What was going to say at this point?

989
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 6: I brought up a great point today about Yeah, he

990
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 6: brought a great point which was, dude, remember when she

991
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 6: was getting booed, when when Rose made like the anti

992
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 6: communist comments and everyone was like mad at why Whaley

993
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 6: is young because a government she has no control.

994
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: Over whatsoever, has a certain system in place that she

995
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: has no ability to change. Then they got really mad

996
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: at her for that. All they want to do the

997
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: same thing. Yeah.

998
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 5: So anyway, but the point was that they were booming

999
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 5: her not too long ago, and here they are now

1000
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 5: there she's Yeah, she's the people's champion, to be very

1001
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 5: clear about that in that way, Class.

1002
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 2: Tea Rose, Republic of China Champion.

1003
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, I.

1004
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: Mean it's also it was just unnecessary.

1005
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 3: The UFC is obviously I think that they it's an

1006
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 3: untapped sort of thing, right, Like you're sort of like

1007
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 3: if she's really has a reign as a champion I

1008
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 3: feel like they believe the end roads into China become

1009
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 3: that much more. It's just a massive thing. So from

1010
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:46,959
Speaker 3: a UFC perspective, I mean i U perspective. They want

1011
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 3: her really badly for.

1012
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: Sure, But let's be fair about the fans.

1013
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 4: What is what is? What are the fans love the best?

1014
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 4: Same thing we're talking about with Izzy, Like what if

1015
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 4: Padata beat them in MMA and then they ran that

1016
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 4: back and that was huge? They loved the comeback. Whaley

1017
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 4: was on top of the mountain, lost it, my head

1018
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 4: kicked first round knockout, changed her body and her style

1019
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 4: around for that rematch. I just watched the Rose rematch yesterday.

1020
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 4: It was a good ass fight. You could argue Waaley

1021
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 4: I liked what I was worried about it since she

1022
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 4: came off that war too. Before that, Absolutely you could

1023
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 4: argue that as a win for Whaley. And then what

1024
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 4: she did to that version of Yoanna who came in

1025
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 4: their guns blazing, best shape of her career. Given everything

1026
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 4: I have left, I think people have embraced the fighting

1027
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 4: spirit of Jong Way Lee, which is impressive. She has

1028
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 4: a fun character in this game, a great addition to

1029
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 4: this division's history that when you like, I mean, is

1030
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 4: it a power five?

1031
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 2: What are we calling them? They're not the mount Rushmore.

1032
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 4: But there are what five women that have really headlined

1033
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 4: been the face of this division since it started. Carla's

1034
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 4: the inaugural champ, Yo Wanna was the longest ragning champ.

1035
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 4: Rose is a two time champion, kind of won everybody's hearts.

1036
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 4: Androge always makes great fights and was the champion. Who

1037
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 4: am I missing here? Jong Way Lee. I mean, the

1038
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 4: six of them have just except for that last fight Rose,

1039
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 4: Carla to five or six of them have made magic

1040
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 4: together and Carlos the Innaull girl champ and the champ

1041
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 4: right now.

1042
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 1: It should be a bigger deal. Yeah, this is a seriously,

1043
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 1: this is a testament.

1044
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 5: Like the two Yo Wanna fights that Jong had one

1045
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 5: was the best women's fight maybe you've ever seen, and

1046
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 5: the second one was Jong Way leave letting everyone know

1047
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 5: what fucking time it was, and you were like, oh, okay,

1048
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 5: the worm has the worm has turned.

1049
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: Here, the worm has turned here.

1050
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 5: And so I think also like that was such a powerful,

1051
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 5: impressive performance and that you know, Cookie monsters up there

1052
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 5: kind of like she's getting through every time, but it's

1053
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 5: just never except for the Deyong Sha non fight, but

1054
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 5: that was a stylistic advantage. She has really quite fucking

1055
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 5: put her stamp on it, dude, Jeong Wi Lee put

1056
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 5: her fucking stamp on That is true, and so that

1057
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 5: there's a big difference there, but it's just kind of funny.

1058
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: Well as far as those path the victory though, that's

1059
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: the thing.

1060
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 2: It's not fair.

1061
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: It's like it would be the same, right.

1062
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 5: This is why getting back to the conversation about like

1063
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 5: champion versus non champion. This is necessarily for example, but

1064
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 5: it just goes to show you if your conversation about

1065
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 5: what makes them make great is trictly folk as to

1066
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 5: who is a champion, you miss a little bit about

1067
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 5: like what the people on the outside are actually.

1068
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 4: If you're a focused on Hall of famers, you'll miss

1069
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 4: Neil Magnie.

1070
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: That's what Luke was breaking down this week.

1071
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 5: You say that like it's a jokey insult. That's it's

1072
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 5: not a joking insult. You're a jokey insult.

1073
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 2: Who's insulted? You wedded your career to this piece of

1074
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 2: trash ore.

1075
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 5: I know that's why, dude, people don't understand anything about

1076
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 5: this kind of job It's like, dude, look at the

1077
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 5: obvious reality of how I have partnered with Brian Campbell.

1078
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 5: How could you do this unless you had a great opinion.

1079
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 5: That is what gives me latitude to call you a

1080
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 5: ship bag.

1081
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: Do you understand that? That's the whole bit. So that's

1082
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: why it works.

1083
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 4: It's the bit, Chuck. Thank you for being like the

1084
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 4: step dad in this relationship. You know what I mean

1085
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 4: between two old I love when you guys come back

1086
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 4: from a trip. It's always a little feisty.

1087
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 3: You've spent too much time together and I always catch

1088
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 3: you in the aftermath.

1089
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, we're fine. I'm just I'm doing a bit

1090
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 5: for the cameras, all right. I mean, I'm not sure

1091
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 5: what else to say about this fight.

1092
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 3: To be quite honest with you, Well, what I was

1093
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 3: just going to ask, I'm the last thing about this.

1094
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 3: Like Carlos Sparza wins, split decision, it's not the greatest

1095
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what.

1096
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: Man, what happened?

1097
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 7: You beat an opponent that quality. You got a hook

1098
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 7: by So that's okay, that's the right question. Because I

1099
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 7: do believe Rose walks in. If Waley wins and we

1100
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 7: do that trilogy, If Carla wins. I Actually, the more

1101
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 7: I think about it, I don't think the UFC necessarily

1102
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 7: wants to do Rose Carla three. Who would be an

1103
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 7: next for Carla?

1104
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 2: Is it?

1105
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: Is it?

1106
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 2: H Amanda Limos?

1107
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 1: Is it might be one? Yeah? There there's I bet

1108
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: they're better. DRN didn't win. I bet you.

1109
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I bet they wanted that one. I'm sure

1110
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 5: they've done They're gonna have done something with that.

1111
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 4: Genia Wanna comes out of retirement just parachutes in to

1112
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 4: rematch Carla for the belt.

1113
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 2: I mean, what would it take to get you on

1114
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: on this couch.

1115
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: Bred Alkamono? That takes?

1116
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's like, hey, Brett, we don't really want to

1117
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 4: we like you, we don't really want to hang out

1118
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 4: with you, but the hot chicks come around.

1119
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: We're going to use you as a decoy listen to.

1120
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: We don't really give a ship what you have to say,

1121
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: but can you just sit here please.

1122
00:43:58,239 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: As a JJ magnet please?

1123
00:43:59,680 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1124
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 5: All right, So then we takes us to the fight

1125
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 5: that I think good looking. Yeah, of course, I mean

1126
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 5: that's what I'm saying, Like, that's the I had I

1127
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 5: told you about this boar. I had a for trained

1128
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 5: brother who was like the son of a bitch. He

1129
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 5: was like a ten out of ten, This fucking guy

1130
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 5: I'd never seen life.

1131
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 2: Dude.

1132
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 1: We one time, this is a true story. We one

1133
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: time when this bar.

1134
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 5: It was me, him and two other guys and the

1135
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 5: three of us were might as well have been and

1136
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 5: I was like, just the math team, pieces of shit

1137
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 5: and I was We get there and I'm like, yeah,

1138
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 5: get me a beard. I went to the bathroom and

1139
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 5: I came back and I'm not doing a bit. Dude,

1140
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 5: been in the bar one hundred and twenty seconds at most.

1141
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 5: And I came back and he was making out with some.

1142
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: Girl wow at the bar, and I was like, I

1143
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 1: was like, dude, what is that like? What is that

1144
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: like to be that attractive where that kind of thing

1145
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: happens to you?

1146
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 4: What the very reminiscent of that time? Your favor was

1147
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 4: on our couch And he was.

1148
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: Like, did you hear this?

1149
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 5: We asked favors like yo, dude, when you got famous, bro, like,

1150
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 5: it must have been better for you with the women

1151
00:44:58,360 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 5: and shit.

1152
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: Right, And he was like, uh, it's always been good.

1153
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I watched that episode and I can I

1154
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 3: can actually attest to that through his career. I've seen

1155
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 3: him in multiple situations that you probably have too. But

1156
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 3: I've been at I've been at pool parties where he's

1157
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 3: at like things like this, and it's like that, trust me, man,

1158
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 3: every time I see him in Vegas, like whatever is

1159
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 3: going on?

1160
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 5: I mean, he's probably has no trouble. Here's what I

1161
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 5: hate about your rayahs so much. He's impossible to hate.

1162
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 4: He's a really nice, business minded gentleman. Yeah, just slanging

1163
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 4: his wife's kind of hot.

1164
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, what are you doing? All right? With

1165
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 1: that in mind? Let's talk about the third Maybe Carlos

1166
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: Sparza chases us too. We go down these rabbit.

1167
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 4: Holes and let's go to the third Fighter run on

1168
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 4: this show until they canceled it.

1169
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, I proceed, Yeah before the ads.

1170
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 5: I mean, by the way, some person who's some person

1171
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 5: who's twenty one is going to tune in and look

1172
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 5: at this and he's like, look at these three washed

1173
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 5: pieces of shit, all wearing hoodies, uncoordinated, all wearing hoodies

1174
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 5: and jeans, just looking like absolute bags of fucking feasts.

1175
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: Yes, why do you guys listen to these morons? I

1176
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: mean you don't have to, No, you definitely don't have to.

1177
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 5: Dustin Parier taken on Michael Chandler. This is the big one. Now,

1178
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 5: we made this conversation before about the main event in

1179
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 5: a different way.

1180
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: Let's circle back here.

1181
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 5: We talked on this very show about we thought when

1182
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 5: we were talking about Islam and Charles that that was

1183
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 5: potentially this changing of the guard moment about not only

1184
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 5: who was the leader of that division, but this new class.

1185
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: Right. We talked about this a little bit today on MK.

1186
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 5: Do you agree that here we have Chandler versus Pariy

1187
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 5: And to be clear, it does appear that the winner

1188
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 5: could be could be could be in a number one

1189
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 5: contender's position. We don't know that officially, but it seems probable.

1190
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 5: This is perhaps the last gasp of that older twenty

1191
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 5: sixteen ish class kind of yesterday action heroes. All those

1192
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 5: guys who gave us so many wonderful fights, their time

1193
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 5: is almost up.

1194
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 3: I agree, one hundred percent, and as especially when you

1195
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 3: look down the rain. So some of those guys, man,

1196
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 3: I mean, they're just coming into what they're capable of,

1197
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 3: and they're already there. I mean, they're going to be

1198
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 3: very hard to beat.

1199
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: Some of these guys that.

1200
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 2: Are coming up rookie and camera.

1201
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, all all the I mean, all these all these

1202
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 3: cats that are down there. I mean, I mean, it's

1203
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 3: just a murder's row. But if you look, I mean,

1204
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 3: I think Chandler is what thirty six years old something

1205
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 3: like that. Like he's he's getting up there too, and

1206
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 3: he's had some wars man. The guy's been at it forever.

1207
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 3: And you look at Dustin Poyer, he seems older than

1208
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 3: he is because he's been around since he was so young,

1209
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 3: and so he's in fighter years.

1210
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: He's getting up there too.

1211
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 3: But if you're just looking at the guys coming up

1212
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 3: and you're looking where these guys are, Yes, I think

1213
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 3: that the winner of this this is their last chance

1214
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 3: to maybe get that title, and the loser is going

1215
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 3: to be a very hard rollback man.

1216
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this is the.

1217
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 2: Last chance for that era. So is there is there

1218
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 2: a way this has to go? For Charles.

1219
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 4: I'm sorry for Alexander Volkanowski to not get the next

1220
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 4: title shot. What has to happen here on Saturday for

1221
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 4: that not to happen.

1222
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 1: I feel like that's going to happen, don't you though,

1223
00:47:58,880 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: I Mean I feel.

1224
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 2: I feel like a Chandler Poier too.

1225
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 4: The name is star Power, but Chandler fluff for the

1226
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 4: title once and was was pretty damn close to winning. Yeah,

1227
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 4: if he knocks Poorier out early doing the Chandler bit

1228
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 4: of just coming out fucking throwing, well do you think.

1229
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:14,919
Speaker 1: That's gonna happen? I mean, I feel like he's going

1230
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: to do that. Man. I just feel like they're gonna

1231
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: go out there and guns of plays and but.

1232
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 4: Marketing wise, wouldn't you rather put him in there against

1233
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 4: a kind of reckless slugger who Islam. When I say

1234
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 4: put him in there, I mean put Islam in with

1235
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 4: a reckless slugger American who can sell and people be excited,

1236
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 4: and Islam will probably railroad him or put him in

1237
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 4: there with a Volcanosky who might be able to say that.

1238
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 3: The other thing is Chandler does have the wrestling right like,

1239
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 3: so it's like he can't actually he can't show up

1240
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 3: as a wrestler if he really wants to.

1241
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: He can. He has those shops, but.

1242
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 4: I don't know, he might get He might be on

1243
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 4: his back in that fight Chandler against Islam, even with those.

1244
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: Ruling I think so.

1245
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 3: I think so, But I mean, I'm just saying, like you,

1246
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 3: it would be compelling if it happens. There's no real

1247
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 3: bad scenario there. I mean, either one of those would

1248
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 3: be great. I think I'm already around to the Volkanovski

1249
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 3: thing though. I'm like, if that happens, I'm I'm pretty

1250
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 3: good with that. It's a It's a fairy core.

1251
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 2: Banil Day surely does his win win win, right.

1252
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: Right, Like at this point, all right, so let's talk.

1253
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: Let's talk about my Did.

1254
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 2: You say Charles Oliver versus Beaniel Darius?

1255
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: You do that?

1256
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 5: But the thing is, uh, olivera said that he is

1257
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 5: going to take a break.

1258
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: Oh that he did say that.

1259
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 4: Okay, Then how about Max Holloway versus banil Der us

1260
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 4: that lightweight.

1261
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: That's a tough fight for Max. Yeah, that is tough

1262
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: win a bowl, but tough. Okay. I believe in Max still,

1263
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: thank you.

1264
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 5: Uh, congratulations, I still do. But that's a tough fight.

1265
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 2: Did you think Darius was going to make it out

1266
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: of Abu Dhabi.

1267
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: Trying to convert everyone to Christianity. I was here for it.

1268
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 1: I was like, hell, yeah, that's right.

1269
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 3: I didn't really Maybe.

1270
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: He's racism, racism.

1271
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 8: You I'm not allowed to Jesus not not not in

1272
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 8: a way where you're then proselytizing to Muslims and you're

1273
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 8: saying Jesus Christ can have I think, really, I didn't

1274
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 8: really think about that and real time.

1275
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 3: But that is a good point. I didn't, you know,

1276
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 3: I just it's always a little bit of a it's.

1277
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: Not a good point. BC. He's just bringing up nonsense.

1278
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 5: All right, Okay, let's talk about let's talk about let's

1279
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 5: talk about the reality of this. Let's imagine Mike Chandler

1280
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 5: on a Sunday morning, having freshly knocked out dustin Ploorie.

1281
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: All right, okay, what is his story? Now? God, that's

1282
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: tough man. I don't know.

1283
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 5: I don't not Where is he going? What does that

1284
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 5: mean up to that point? Does it mean?

1285
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, I know it's like here Black History Month,

1286
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: here's Michael Channer.

1287
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 5: I'm like, I don't think that's the best candidate. I

1288
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 5: don't know that. I don't think that's the best can

1289
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 5: Perry at least milk Yeah, yeah, yes, I'm.

1290
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 2: Just on fire or setting myself on fire.

1291
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: You're on fire in the same way that you know,

1292
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: my crotch was full of.

1293
00:50:55,960 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 5: Where are we going to do this every fucking all?

1294
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: Right?

1295
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 3: You were just saying, if Chandler wins is a Sunday.

1296
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 5: Morning, it is obvious that already he has proven a

1297
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 5: valuable great signing by ufcure. But if you got a

1298
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 5: look at the two wins he's got right to this point,

1299
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 5: I would, yes, Ferguson is the last one Hooker and Hooker.

1300
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: Hooker, which were phenomenal wins.

1301
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 5: But then he's got a couple of losses to against

1302
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 5: better opposition, and then ola Vera. It's like, okay, great signing,

1303
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 5: no matter what, already worth it. But if he beats

1304
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 5: party A, that's a credible that would be his best win.

1305
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: Mace something like that.

1306
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 2: I think it would be as ever, that would be

1307
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 2: a great win.

1308
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 5: It might be the al It honestly might be. Yeah,

1309
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 5: the Edda the first a overs was good. You know,

1310
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 5: they don't really count it. But the gucciuci win was good.

1311
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 5: Beating Benson Henderson on his way out the door was good.

1312
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: There's been a few good. Rick Hallen was a good one. Yeah,

1313
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: but that's not on this level.

1314
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 5: No, that's the point that's the party would be. It

1315
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 5: would be a level of valid he beat Ferguson. But

1316
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 5: I guess the point is this, This would be the

1317
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 5: second guy he beat who had an interim title run

1318
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 5: his waist at the UFC, and at that point, it's like,

1319
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 5: you beat two of those guys, that's actually pretty fucking

1320
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 5: hard to do. It would be I think, the most

1321
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 5: credibility estat. It's not like he needs it because I

1322
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 5: think the fans think he's of this level, but to

1323
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 5: actually get it done, I agree with it would be

1324
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 5: a real feather in his cap.

1325
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: It is true.

1326
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 3: I didn't really thought about that, but there is a

1327
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 3: little bit of a feel to him that he'll stand

1328
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 3: and give the fans a show and win or lose.

1329
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 3: You know, we'll appreciate Michael Chandler, but we don't really

1330
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 3: think of him as the guy who should win or

1331
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 3: if he does get that win, what does that mean?

1332
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

1333
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 3: Like, I feel like he's always in that position where

1334
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 3: it's he's going to be a tough out and he's

1335
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 3: going to drag that guy through hell, you know, whoever

1336
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 3: he's fighting.

1337
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: This would be that one. I think.

1338
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 3: I think that if he'd have beaten Gaiechee or something like that,

1339
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,439
Speaker 3: Like but I think this would be the guy that

1340
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 3: maybe you would change that a little bit, and it

1341
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 3: would have to be his because he's, like I said,

1342
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 3: he's thirty six. I think that this is the moment

1343
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 3: if he doesn't do it now, I don't know. I

1344
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 3: think he's relegated to whatever he's doing now, but on

1345
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 3: this on a lower level where there's no title talk

1346
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 3: involved with him anymore, you know, But this would be

1347
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 3: his moment.

1348
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 5: If he if he viciously KOs or stops Poirier in

1349
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 5: any kind of way. Do you think that's the best

1350
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 5: possible next fight for Islamakachev? You seem to think that

1351
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 5: Hopanovski is the inevitable one. What's the Yeah, what's the

1352
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 5: best one?

1353
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: Connor McGregor, Oh my god, I want fifty five? No,

1354
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: I hope not. I got to hope not. Please guess

1355
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:28,879
Speaker 1: to get in that pool again.

1356
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I think that that's the most compelling of

1357
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 3: the of the fifty five ors who were right at

1358
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 3: the top. I think that that would be very compelling,

1359
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 3: like I said, because I do think that he has

1360
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 3: a he has a wrestling pedigree, and he does throw

1361
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 3: those I just think that he's you know, and scrambles

1362
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 3: and stuff like that too. He's very good. I just

1363
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 3: I think that that would be a really good fight,

1364
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 3: you know. I don't think he'd win, and I think

1365
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 3: it'd be a good fight.

1366
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: S flip the tables here.

1367
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 5: So if you're Poorier and you wake up on Sunday

1368
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 5: morning fresh off a vicious ko of Michael Chandler, what

1369
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 5: does that do for your career?

1370
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: What does that mean? What's the significance?

1371
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 3: I think that they I don't believe that they would

1372
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 3: put Dustin Poirier into that Mack Joe fight for whatever reason.

1373
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 1: I don't know why.

1374
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 4: Why do you think Chandler would but Pooria wouldn't. Isn't

1375
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 4: Poia a bigger star?

1376
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 3: I think he's much bigger. He's a much bigger star.

1377
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 3: But he just fought for the time.

1378
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1379
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 3: It's the UFC is so strange on these things. But

1380
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 3: he just fought for the title.

1381
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 4: Twice for the time, just to be fair, right him

1382
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 4: and Gategee both especially.

1383
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: Fights with McGregor. I just I don't know.

1384
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 3: I don't I don't think I think they would probably.

1385
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,399
Speaker 4: Opt Do you subscribe to myn Is there any part

1386
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 4: of you that's wondering about my theory, and I don't

1387
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 4: want it to be true because I love Poorrier and

1388
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 4: there's I mean, he's an American hero.

1389
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 2: I African loved Pourier.

1390
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 4: But when somebody loses at a certain point, and if

1391
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 4: they do it in one side of fashion, then we go, oh,

1392
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 4: we should have seen this coming.

1393
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:48,240
Speaker 2: Let's look back and.

1394
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 4: Reconfigure history and re sort of is there a way

1395
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 4: to look back on Sorrier's run post Habib and wonder

1396
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 4: if some of it is fools gold?

1397
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 2: And he maybe closer to gone than we.

1398
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 4: Realized because he went five hard ass rounds with Hooker

1399
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 4: in a great fight. But we had Dean Thomas on

1400
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,879
Speaker 4: here going, look, I feel like, you know, Hooker wasn't

1401
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 4: you know who we should have been in that fight,

1402
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 4: and Porier kind of looked better than he should have.

1403
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 4: And then you got two Connor fights where you could argue,

1404
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 4: based on Connor's condition at this bet that Poorier looked

1405
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 4: better than he should have and he did get hurt

1406
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 4: in that first fight, to be fair in this the

1407
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 4: rematchter we're talking about, to be fair, and then you

1408
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 4: see him against Olivera in which it was just I mean,

1409
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 4: I picked Pooria to win. I thought he's gonna be

1410
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,760
Speaker 4: Oliver in a war. And there were some lifeless moments.

1411
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 4: Charles was great on the ground on top, covered his mouth,

1412
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 4: kind of was grinding.

1413
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: Me to him.

1414
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 4: I got fears, not just that Poorier is a slow

1415
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 4: starter and can be hit early. I got fears that,

1416
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,439
Speaker 4: even though we're looking at this as two all time

1417
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 4: great action heroes, future Hall of famers, whether they ever

1418
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,720
Speaker 4: touch a championship or not, maybe maybe Chandler Poorier. Definitely,

1419
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 4: maybe Chandler too, because he's so beloved and he had

1420
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 4: a great run in Bellatur. Either way, for two old guys,

1421
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 4: I feel like Chandler has more gas at the moment,

1422
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 4: a little nervous for Poitier.

1423
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 2: Does that make any sense to you, because I'm.

1424
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 3: Saying I mean, I think so you would be reading

1425
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 3: the tea leaves a little bit and if it happens,

1426
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 3: and I'd be like, of course, you were right, you know,

1427
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 3: But he.

1428
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 2: Put deeper into fight. But the thing is damage.

1429
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 3: But the thing is he has been in a lot

1430
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 3: of fights already and he's already kind of hit. So

1431
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 3: he didn't have like a title run or something like that,

1432
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 3: but he had magnitude wise some big fights already, and

1433
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 3: sometimes guys, once they've already had that, it's harder and

1434
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 3: harder to get up for the fights that you should

1435
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 3: win and things like that.

1436
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 4: Fights he wanted to get the bee fight. Those wars

1437
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 4: with Eddie, he had of two of them.

1438
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 2: The fight with Max was insane. I mean, I mean

1439
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:38,439
Speaker 2: he got war.

1440
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 4: He goes through five round wars, whereas Chandler has evolved

1441
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 4: into this part this this party figure, this this firework

1442
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 4: that you light off and either you get him or

1443
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 4: he gets you until it burns out.

1444
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 3: It's a little bit of that too, because I don't

1445
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,760
Speaker 3: know if you guys remember like his sort of demeanor

1446
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 3: coming out of his last fight. I mean he didn't

1447
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 3: even know for a little bit. He was like, I

1448
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 3: don't even know if I want to tu. Yeah, I

1449
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 3: mean there's some there's some of that. There's some of

1450
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 3: that sauce. He made good money on Luke.

1451
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 4: There's a setup here for Chandler to win by first

1452
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 4: round knockout, and not enough people are feeling it or

1453
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 4: seeing it.

1454
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 5: The thing is, Michael Bisping said something, and I think

1455
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 5: he's right. They you know, I bet he was not

1456
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 5: pleased with the way that the it was handled, but

1457
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 5: with how the media.

1458
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: Clipped it out. But he basically made.

1459
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 5: A point that like Chandler is a little bit chinny. Okay, Yeah,

1460
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 5: here's the truth. Parrier has been in enough wars where

1461
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 5: we don't know when the bottom is going to drop out.

1462
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: But it could definitely be that Saturday.

1463
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 5: You can't say it couldn't, not just in any kind

1464
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 5: of like, oh it's the next fight. No, the accumulation

1465
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 5: to this point has been extraordinary. The fact that he's

1466
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 5: even as durable as he is is remarkable. So the

1467
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 5: bottom could drop out. Chandler, we know, I don't think

1468
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 5: has a batch, and I don't think that's quite right.

1469
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 5: It's but I don't think it's a good chin either.

1470
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 5: It's just kind of it. It's fine.

1471
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 2: He's so close to danger at all times that I

1472
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 2: don't even think it matters.

1473
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 5: Change doesn't even to the point where the way which

1474
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 5: he courts danger it mayn't even really even fucking matter.

1475
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 5: And he can scramble his ass off too, so he's

1476
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 5: got that. But you know, I that durability does play

1477
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 5: a role, and to this point, dude, is durability is

1478
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 5: fucking unbelievable.

1479
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 2: Over the long haul.

1480
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 4: But Connor in the first fight and Michael Johnson both

1481
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 4: proved that if you get there quick enough, you can

1482
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,479
Speaker 4: have a flashchin. You can get him out of there

1483
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 4: if you get there.

1484
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 5: Michael Johnson when he threw a lead upper cut with

1485
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 5: no setup and he got countered by it, and it's

1486
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 5: like he ate that one completely. I'm not going to

1487
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 5: say that. I mean, yes, that's it's a thing that happened.

1488
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 5: It's real, it counts. But that's not the Poirier of today. Sorry,

1489
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 5: I don't buy that.

1490
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 4: And I'm wondering whether the Poitier today is not the

1491
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 4: poorrier you think he is.

1492
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: And that's my fear.

1493
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 4: But I love the guy, and I know it makes

1494
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 4: people like CBS Sports as Brandon Wise really mad when

1495
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 4: I say Chandler's gonna win.

1496
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 2: By first round, knocko out.

1497
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: He gets mad about that. Yeah, but I love it.

1498
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 2: I love this bet.

1499
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: The poorrier of yesterday is going to be the pourrier

1500
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: of tomorrow.

1501
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, the new boss.

1502
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: For their own.

1503
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 5: Health's sake, I mean, I'm not glad it's not five rounds,

1504
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 5: but like for their health, I am glad it is

1505
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 5: not five rounds. They true kill each other I mean,

1506
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 5: this reminds me a little bit of the well toweight

1507
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 5: division when Lawler, you know, and I just felt like

1508
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 5: all those dudes are just reconfiguring all of their their psychees.

1509
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: You know.

1510
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 3: It's like they're going in there just taking years off

1511
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 3: each other's lives.

1512
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 1: They're all wars.

1513
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 3: And I feel like that that right now, in that

1514
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 3: top five space of the lightweight you have some of

1515
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 3: those guys, they're just taking years out of each other.

1516
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 4: Post GSP exit in twenty thirteen, they were all wars

1517
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 4: at the highest level.

1518
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: That's what I mean.

1519
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 3: He and they were all altered slowly, all of them,

1520
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 3: all of a sudden started to fade out. They ground

1521
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 3: each other, That's what I mean. And I feel like

1522
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 3: that's kind of going on a little bit with these guys.

1523
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 3: I mean, they're having crazy fights from Gaetchi in there

1524
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 3: and stuff.

1525
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: It's just a lot of think.

1526
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 4: That Johnny Hendrix was quick, but it was fun then.

1527
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 4: I love prime Johnny Hendrix. I love him.

1528
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: It was amazing since.

1529
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 5: But the one thing that was always amazing to me

1530
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 5: about him was that for folks who never paid attention

1531
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 5: when he was wrestling in college, he was the number

1532
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 5: one villain in college wrestling.

1533
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: People fucking hated Johnny hendrix On.

1534
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 4: Like a Pat Downey level worst due he was a

1535
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 4: two time national chance.

1536
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 5: They hat like that motherfucker could wrestle. And uh, and

1537
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 5: he was you know, big and bold and brash and

1538
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 5: and was overder in Oklahoma State, which had, you know,

1539
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 5: just this very prestigious program at the time and still

1540
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 5: does obviously.

1541
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: And uh, they.

1542
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 5: Hated and they got to UFC and he just didn't

1543
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 5: have the same vibe with the crowd at all, like

1544
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 5: it was. It wasn't that he didn't have big or

1545
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 5: important fights, but the thing he was in college never

1546
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 5: returned in MMA.

1547
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: That was always kind of strange for me. I thought

1548
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: he beat him. I think we all agree.

1549
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 2: I didn't think he beat Robbie in that one fight though.

1550
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: You don't think who beat Robbie.

1551
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 2: In their first meeting hendricks Yes.

1552
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 3: I just remember seeing him get pieced up by Wonder

1553
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 3: Boy Thompson, and I was sitting at the cage side

1554
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 3: and just being like that, how can this be happening?

1555
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: You remember that fight? Oh vaguely?

1556
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 3: I mean, wonder Boy Thompson was almost like I remember.

1557
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: The boy piecing up Jake. What's his face? Ellen Burger? Yah?

1558
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah that one too, but he just pieced him up.

1559
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 3: I mean, go back and watch it. Sometimes it's it's crazy.

1560
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 3: I mean, just like the perfect, the perfect.

1561
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:05,959
Speaker 2: To reset the record straight.

1562
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 4: This is obviously saying like, here's two hot chicks, which

1563
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:08,959
Speaker 4: one would you rather kiss?

1564
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 2: But I think you would agree.

1565
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 4: That Rory versus Robbie was better.

1566
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 2: Than Carlos versus Robbie.

1567
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 4: Just just comes clean, comes straight away on the record

1568
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 4: and just set it straight.

1569
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: Please, I agree. Yeah, Well, it's too stupid opinion.

1570
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,919
Speaker 3: You know you like the other one. I mean, there's

1571
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 3: not one I don't like it.

1572
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 5: It's like one of them changed their careers and it's

1573
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 5: the conduct one that changed their careers.

1574
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 3: I think I'm really in love with the other one

1575
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 3: because it was maybe Esther Lynn who caught that shot

1576
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 3: when they're starting each other before the fifth round. Yeah,

1577
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean stuff like that. It's just a

1578
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 3: legendary all.

1579
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 5: Right, before we got called a day here, there is

1580
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 5: a c KB angle to this card, Yes there is?

1581
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think about that? That parlay? You're

1582
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 2: going to go all four.

1583
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 5: Of them on the card you mentioned? Is he already,

1584
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 5: let's see Dan Hooker in a tough fight back at

1585
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 5: lightweight against what he needs it. Just what do you

1586
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 5: make of this contest? What do you make of where

1587
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 5: Hooker is at at all?

1588
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 3: I feel like, now you got to see it, right,

1589
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 3: He's in that moment where he needs it. Was it

1590
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 3: like four out of five and he lost. He's just

1591
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 3: he was somewhere here and it's like one of those plummets.

1592
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 3: But he's fighting guys who are just so good. I

1593
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 3: just it has to be seen.

1594
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: Now.

1595
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 4: Would you say a win here though, would be the

1596
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 4: biggest win for a hooker since Heidi Flies went mainstream.

1597
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 3: Yes, I think that would be about right. Yeah, we

1598
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 3: got a disagreement here. No, you don't have a disagree.

1599
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 5: That's that's like for him to like, dude, he's gonna

1600
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 5: start sil Joe, but jokes on here, that's.

1601
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: How washed you are. The silence thought. I mean, that's

1602
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 1: just that's wanted to show us that one eye.

1603
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 4: All right, chunk, you broke down the Hooker fight again.

1604
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 4: You know, depth in depth. I appreciate that, But I

1605
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 4: do have an an I on this meatball Molly versus

1606
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 4: Aaron's Molly. The biggest underdog on the card. But yet

1607
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 4: two spinning backfist Ko's David Shoulders, Her and Patty have

1608
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 4: a reality series. It's She's always on our frigging screen.

1609
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 4: Aaron Field will take you down your plans. I know,

1610
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 4: I know, and I.

1611
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 2: Think she's a coloradion.

1612
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: I believe she is.

1613
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that that resonates with you, and.

1614
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, altitude, you know what I mean. But uh,

1615
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 3: it's a tough, tough fight.

1616
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 2: It's a tough tough fight for uh, you want to

1617
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 2: make your prediction right.

1618
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 3: It's kind of crazy that they actually booked this fight

1619
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 3: for her, I mean, does not why not mapitalize on her?

1620
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 1: Tells me what to think about Aaron Blastfield, that's what.

1621
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, so they're using the star, the recent star power

1622
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 4: of Molly's crossover to to really give the rub to Aaron.

1623
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 1: We shall see, I mean, we shall see, but it

1624
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: looks that way.

1625
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 2: Does this remind you of Roxanne Matafari versus Macy Barbara?

1626
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 1: Oh not to me at all.

1627
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 5: No, it doesn't. I would agree with you, no way

1628
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 5: helpful whatsoever.

1629
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1630
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 5: Okay, so you've got you've got Dan Hooker, You've got

1631
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 5: Brad Riddell taking on her.

1632
01:03:58,760 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 2: That's a bang.

1633
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 1: It's a good fight. Yeah right, yeah, I love that one.

1634
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 4: You know how sick is meant to like he will,

1635
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 4: he will. He wants to get into a war every time. Now,

1636
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 4: that's what it's always about.

1637
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 5: Carlos Olberg taking on Nikolai. He kicked off the whole card,

1638
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 5: right like Hornible. We can't we can't close this without

1639
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 5: talking about Frankie Edgar. Oh yeah, this is the end.

1640
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 5: He's taken on Chris Gutierrez Factory X Mark Montoya train fighter.

1641
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: Very good.

1642
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 2: You go back a long time covering Frankie.

1643
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do well. Was the first fight you ever

1644
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: covered from Frankie? Oh Man?

1645
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 3: People joke because I talk about the Matt Veach, you know,

1646
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 3: way back at the day HG, way back in they

1647
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 3: but I mean I didn't know this, like I didn't

1648
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 3: know the guys that much. But right before he went

1649
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 3: into the USC, I think he fought Jim Miller in

1650
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 3: another promotion. I remember somebody was talking about it, so

1651
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 3: I kind of knew his I knew who he was

1652
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 3: even before he got.

1653
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 4: They fought on the pier and he said heights just

1654
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 4: like a regular Jersey City Friday.

1655
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 3: But they threw it on the record anyway, it's on

1656
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 3: his Wikipedia. But uh god, but man, it's I mean

1657
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 3: literally the whole way. It's pretty much the whole way,

1658
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like, so it's crazy. I

1659
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 3: think this is thirtieth UFC fight. If you look at

1660
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 3: his who he's fought nine times. Nine of those one

1661
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 3: third of his fights for championships. There for titles, three

1662
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 3: different weight classes. And if you look at all the

1663
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 3: guys he's fought, man, I mean, it's just and beat

1664
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 3: a lot of them, you know. YEAHI Rodriguez, he beats him.

1665
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I mean you could go down the list

1666
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 3: of guys he beat. But just who he stood in

1667
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 3: there against. It's just ridiculous that he lasted this long

1668
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 3: and he a kaind of gets it. He's going against

1669
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 3: a guy who's I got a seven fight under pres

1670
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 3: himself just never took an easy right.

1671
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 1: He never had that.

1672
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 3: Guy that was like a tune up fight or.

1673
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 5: Anything like that. Here's the one thing about his career

1674
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 5: that is so amazing to me. He's got everything to

1675
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 5: show for it. A title, a UFC title, He had

1676
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 5: rivalries that he won against BJ Penn, Gray Maynard, part

1677
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 5: of one of the most amazing trilogies in MMA history,

1678
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 5: certainly in the lightweight division. God travel all over the

1679
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 5: world beat big names. I will say this, though I

1680
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 5: don't know if he got big money. I'm not too

1681
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 5: sure if he got big money.

1682
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 3: I think that that came out more as he went

1683
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 3: to because he was the company guy a long time.

1684
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 3: He was just he was going to answer you and

1685
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 3: these bromides and stuff like. But then as time went on,

1686
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 3: you could tell he was carrying a chip on his

1687
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 3: shoulder about his pay and stuff like that.

1688
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 1: So I think you're absolutely I'm.

1689
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 5: Not sure what he got paid for the three Maynard fights,

1690
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 5: but I know this it probably was Oh my god.

1691
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 2: Would you say, like Connor, there was that there was

1692
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 2: that window where there was.

1693
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 5: A moment there where I remember he watched So remember

1694
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 5: that one night it was a twenty four hour span.

1695
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 5: And also remember the famous photo where Connor is watching

1696
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 5: standing on his feet for UFC two hundred watching Jose

1697
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 5: Yeah and Frankie have that rematch.

1698
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 1: It never came to fruition.

1699
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 5: He missed a big opportunity there, and he was a

1700
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 5: champion when they there were a pay per viewpoints. I'm

1701
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 5: sure he got some, but the purses aren't quite what

1702
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 5: they are now. They've certainly got a little bit better.

1703
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 5: And I don't know if he ever made the big

1704
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 5: money that he quite obviously deserved ten times over.

1705
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 1: But what can you say about his career. I mean

1706
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 1: it's so remarkable, so pure.

1707
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 5: I think that many folks would feel about it, quite

1708
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 5: authentic from where he comes from, very much identified by it.

1709
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 5: His identity is a function of being from Tom's River,

1710
01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 5: New Jersey. What else stands out to you?

1711
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 3: I mean he's the kind of Quintus central underdog, right,

1712
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 3: Like he was fighting at a weight class pick so

1713
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 3: he could be in the UFC A as a lightweight,

1714
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 3: and he held his not only held his own, but

1715
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 3: he held the title.

1716
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 4: And bjpen TWICEJP he put him, you know, to the

1717
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 4: glue factor.

1718
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 3: He's like sent them up. And then he basically did

1719
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 3: the same thing to Gray Maynard. Gray didn't have the

1720
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 3: longest career after that either. But if you just look

1721
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 3: at that man, I mean the size of his heart,

1722
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 3: you know, like what he brought in sounds funny, but

1723
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 3: like when you talk about guys like him, I really

1724
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 3: think it mattered. He just went in there like I

1725
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 3: used to always joke that he wasn't he wasn't in

1726
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 3: the fight. Un So he started bleeding, you know, like

1727
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 3: you get hit with something. As soon as he saw

1728
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 3: him bleeding, he's like, now he's going to come to life.

1729
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 3: And it was true for a long time. Benson Henderson

1730
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 3: out in Japan like it was like he had to

1731
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 3: get Yes, it was great second Ben and Herderson really

1732
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 3: and a lot of his fights were like that. Obviously,

1733
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 3: the second Gray Mayner fight is one of the best

1734
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 3: fights that that round where he's just surviving, it's like

1735
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 3: a ten to seven type of round. Yeah, he survives

1736
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 3: and then wins. I mean, his legacy will just be

1737
01:07:58,040 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 3: I think that, you know, he was a champion who

1738
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 3: who probably way out did himself and fighting especially at

1739
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 3: those weight classes, but just as that perennial underdog who

1740
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 3: just somehow made a career out of.

1741
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,439
Speaker 4: It, way out did himself through longevity and evolution, yet

1742
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 4: separate from the Artagotti side of him, where he's just

1743
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 4: a blood and guts warrior. I thought early on he

1744
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 4: was the first guy who really used boxing strategies and

1745
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 4: then they fight to win movement.

1746
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 1: Abdabi Man remember that his.

1747
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 4: Boxing at that point twenty eleven, Ish was so next

1748
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 4: level everybody else.

1749
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 5: He was the first guy him and well no really

1750
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 5: it was him fainting, movement, angles in and out, setups,

1751
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 5: changing levels, all that stuff. Frankie was one of the

1752
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 5: first guys, to your point, to really take it seriously

1753
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 5: and to have great success at the bar from borat

1754
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:46,480
Speaker 5: but to have great success.

1755
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 1: Time.

1756
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 5: But I will say this too, and we said this

1757
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:56,679
Speaker 5: on MK, so you know it's worth repeating. I feel

1758
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 5: like to me if you disagree, all right, I feel

1759
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 5: like he then Frankie Edgar supporters and I might dare

1760
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 5: I say, especially.

1761
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 1: Frankie Edgar supporters like Mikey.

1762
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 5: Like Mikey are glad that his run's coming to Oh yeah,

1763
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 5: it's all everyone recognizes. It's well timed. He did phenomenally well.

1764
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 5: Brian Campbell is a dumb ass.

1765
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 3: Well, you were just mentioning the pay and you're always like,

1766
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 3: what do these guys do?

1767
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 1: What is his identity? You know, who is this guy? Like?

1768
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 3: His identity is as a fighter. I mean he's been

1769
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 3: that for a long time. You want him to be

1770
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 3: taken care of. So taking these beatings down the line

1771
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 3: in which he has the last couple of fights. There's

1772
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 3: that picture where his face is just remember that.

1773
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 5: People shared that everywhere. I got to say that broke

1774
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 5: my heart. I know, That's what I mean. But that's

1775
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 5: what I think it's all coming from. Is you're like,

1776
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 5: I don't want to see him take that anymore. And

1777
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,800
Speaker 5: he's going against another dude who's like I would have

1778
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 5: liked here. That's what I mean. It could potentially happen again.

1779
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 5: The greatest thing of all is if he somehow gets

1780
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 5: this victory and he's able to say, like, see you like,

1781
01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:58,720
Speaker 5: that would be the greatest thing for his crew.

1782
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 2: Madison Square, CA. He was here against cheetoh yeah, and.

1783
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 3: He wanted forever as he was training at Leaston's like

1784
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:05,720
Speaker 3: he was he would come in like I think that

1785
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 3: he wanted forever to fight at Madison Square Garden. For

1786
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 3: him to end it there would be perfect. If he

1787
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 3: gets a victory, you know. But I just hope it's

1788
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 3: not one of those things. I think when you start

1789
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 3: to watch your fingers with these guys, because you've seen

1790
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 3: him in so many wars, it's always a bad thing.

1791
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:20,719
Speaker 1: And I you know, I do think he's been around

1792
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: least hung around a little too long.

1793
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 2: They should have saved him for Connor.

1794
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 3: I wish he'd made more money. Bringing it back to

1795
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 3: your thing, you know, they should have saved him for dude.

1796
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 3: Can Connor even make one fifty five?

1797
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 1: Cant?

1798
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:34,679
Speaker 3: I don't think. Well, that'd be the first time Frankie

1799
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 3: went to one seventy. He would go from one thirty

1800
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 3: five to one.

1801
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 2: Fights first, Francis or Connor?

1802
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 1: Man, I'll say Francis, Yeah, agreed, Yeah, all right?

1803
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 2: Connor? Or John?

1804
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 1: Oh, I'll say John. But I don't know.

1805
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,640
Speaker 3: It's like I feel like with the Connor thing, it

1806
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:53,799
Speaker 3: just feels so abstract.

1807
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:55,599
Speaker 1: Still, I don't really understand his time, right.

1808
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 2: Connor or Jonathan Jonathan copp behav.

1809
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 1: A war machine? I think I have even had to

1810
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 1: put that together. Who the hell that was? Oh?

1811
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 2: Man, I'm sorry to ruin your time.

1812
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 1: I'm really sorry.

1813
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 2: You had a couple of good ones.

1814
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 1: Not gonna I'm not gonna say you had a couple

1815
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 1: of home runs. That's funny.

1816
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 3: I haven't heard that name and so long that I

1817
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 3: had to actually sit there thinking, who's I know?

1818
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 1: Do you remember remember when he changed his name? Yeah?

1819
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 1: Do you remember when he was doing pornography?

1820
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 5: At the same time he was, Yes, he was like

1821
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 5: fucking her fighting, it's all.

1822
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 3: He showed up on somebody showed up on air show

1823
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 3: with her like an a leash or something.

1824
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 1: Like he had her, Like, Uh, did you really like

1825
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 1: he had her? It was? It was great living a movie.

1826
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 2: Dog's the only way to stay sane.

1827
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 3: What free?

1828
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 4: It's the next line after the line you delivered from

1829
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:44,679
Speaker 4: sublimes what I got ninety six?

1830
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great. Great, Yere Chuck. Where do folks find

1831
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 1: your work? Uh?

1832
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 3: You can find my website the myth m I t

1833
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 3: h dot com and that's primarily it. But I do

1834
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,719
Speaker 3: stuff with The Ringer And what are you doing this week?

1835
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 3: I am doing it. So we're we're going to do

1836
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 3: a The Ringer mm A show will be on location

1837
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 3: in New York City, Uh Friday to do the way

1838
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 3: In show and then we're having a live event on

1839
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 3: Friday night.

1840
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: We got some fighters.

1841
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 3: Anthony Smith, your boy Anthony Smith will be there, Lauras

1842
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 3: Cenko and Morob will be there as part of our.

1843
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 5: Our working Folks. Can they attend live? They can attend live.

1844
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:21,519
Speaker 5: I think there are a few tickets left, and God

1845
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:23,720
Speaker 5: that keeps spattering this. It's like Hill Country barbecue. I

1846
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 5: should do this.

1847
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:27,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, a Hill Country barbecue is the best? Is

1848
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 1: it cool?

1849
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 3: Oh, it's really They were staying the venue. I guess

1850
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 3: snl I guess, I guess snl. Uh does their you know,

1851
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 3: their after parties after they taped. They do it at

1852
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:38,719
Speaker 3: that and so they do a lot of stuff.

1853
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 1: Do you like us? It's got like a yeah, they got

1854
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 1: a stage and all that.

1855
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 3: So so we'll be doing it over there and it

1856
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 3: should be fun.

1857
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 1: We've never done a live show before.

1858
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 3: There's whole I was with you guys during your live show,

1859
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 3: and I'm hoping it's half as fun.

1860
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 2: As a train wreck.

1861
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:54,599
Speaker 1: Uh, you'll probably get COVID just as long as we're

1862
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 1: able to hear. Though. Do you still work for fighting?

1863
01:12:57,640 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 1: Come on, man, are you doing a fucking bit?

1864
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 5: No?

1865
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 2: No, like, but not in any form, not not even like.

1866
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,720
Speaker 1: He has gone longer than I have, not even in

1867
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 1: any form I've been going. I was like, he's been

1868
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,679
Speaker 1: going longer than me. I've been going. I've even sat

1869
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 1: on your couch. We had a whole discussion.

1870
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 4: I thought you were like lingering in the stratosphere with him.

1871
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:15,599
Speaker 4: I thought you were that's but the.

1872
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:17,519
Speaker 1: Ringers, the ringers, right, Yeah, that's it.

1873
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 2: You and you and sim all hung out or what

1874
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 2: never hung out?

1875
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 1: But I mean talk you know, good guy.

1876
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 2: Would you welcome Bill Simmons to this couch?

1877
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 1: Sure he's got man takes, you can talk about them.

1878
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 1: He did?

1879
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 4: You see DC was on First Take with Stephen A

1880
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 4: Today ranking the five greatest fighters of all time.

1881
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 1: No, I didn't see that.

1882
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 2: Number five a man in newness.

1883
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 4: Really Number four gsp okay, go on, he was Mohammed Ali.

1884
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 4: Two was a Beabe and one with waiting fighters maybe

1885
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 4: General fun was Jake Hager.

1886
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 2: And number one fled one was Floyd.

1887
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 1: Wait, okay, I'm gonna have to go watch this.

1888
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:58,759
Speaker 3: That's like, that's a lot to that's a lot to process.

1889
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I very much respect for it's career, but no.

1890
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:04,320
Speaker 2: Wow, Floyd's a genius.

1891
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 4: He went so hard on the tbe branding and calling

1892
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 4: himself the best ever. That there's a new generation. And

1893
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 4: this is not like as if Floyd isn't one of

1894
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 4: the best.

1895
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 1: He is one of the best.

1896
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 4: But it's Floyd the best ever in boxing history. No,

1897
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 4: but there's a new generation that's just sort of like

1898
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:18,719
Speaker 4: matter effect like, yeah.

1899
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 2: He's the best, he's the best.

1900
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's the best we've ever seen. It's like, no,

1901
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 4: he's probably like the fourteenth best.

1902
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:24,639
Speaker 2: We've ever seen.

1903
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:25,879
Speaker 1: Was the best of our generation.

1904
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:27,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, he was.

1905
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 1: The best of our generation. Are you going to go

1906
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 1: on the road at all? Uh?

1907
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 3: We yes, I mean we went to Vegas. R Yeah,

1908
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 3: we went to Vegas and then I think what twice?

1909
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 3: Oh no, New York? This start second time in New York.

1910
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 3: So PiZZ you know, Pizzy Carroll, He's the one who's

1911
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:41,639
Speaker 3: really doing the traveling.

1912
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:43,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, is this fuck go in town? He

1913
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 1: is actually in town. We should get that son of

1914
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:45,720
Speaker 1: a bit.

1915
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 3: I actually was gonna recommend if we're going to do

1916
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 3: an MMA B type thing him getting here.

1917
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 1: But I believe he's flying in today. I don't think, well, we.

1918
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 4: Almost got Bronzetter and he had to cancel on us.

1919
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:54,799
Speaker 4: Although I have a lot of love for that Canadian.

1920
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:55,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1921
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 4: Do you believe Bronstetter when he says growing up in

1922
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 4: Greater Toronto that he was in high school athlete?

1923
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:02,720
Speaker 3: Absolutely not. But I mean he's a liar though, so

1924
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 3: why would I believe him?

1925
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 1: That's fair, that's fair.

1926
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 4: Very nice guy though, great records, A great guy, a

1927
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 4: family man, a guy you can trust. I'd give him

1928
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 4: my credit card information or a kid and even no questions.

1929
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 1: Ask would you do that for me? Not a chance.

1930
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 2: I'm saving this one for Tuki in case she never needs.

1931
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 1: Hey, my wife and my kid are going to be

1932
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 1: here this week and I'm pretty score.

1933
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:23,839
Speaker 2: Really can we do an RSD with Tuki?

1934
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 1: We can?

1935
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 3: Uh?

1936
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, we could try.

1937
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 4: Because I'll ask her all about that check who doesn't

1938
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 4: share and playtime?

1939
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 1: That you mean? My daughter got to go to restaurant

1940
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 1: in New York City for your family? Are you?

1941
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:37,719
Speaker 5: Uh? Here's a recommendation. My family hates it, but I

1942
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 5: love this place. I'm not doing a bit. It sounds impossible.

1943
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 5: It sounds like there's no way it could be good.

1944
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 5: In fact, when someone pitched it to me, I was like,

1945
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:46,600
Speaker 5: there's no fucking way I'm going to go to this.

1946
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 1: Oh please Taco Bell Jesus right next start No.

1947
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 5: Truthfully, so, in Spanish, the way you would say ha

1948
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 5: ha ha if you're laughing is j a j a

1949
01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 5: j a. Okay, that's just say the jays an h sound.

1950
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 5: There is a place. It's Mexican restaurant one Vegan. It'll

1951
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 5: be the best Mexican food now.

1952
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 1: You've had in your life. Will it will blow you away?

1953
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 5: I was like, dude, Mexican food is like built off

1954
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 5: of fucking cheese and meat and all that shit.

1955
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 1: They have figured it out. Wow. I could not believe

1956
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:21,599
Speaker 1: how good this place was. Jo Jo Jos.

1957
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:23,760
Speaker 4: They play the hits like dayla oh, but make you

1958
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 4: blow up the commode.

1959
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 5: A lot of fiber in that diet, a lot of

1960
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 5: fiber that die. All right, we're just talking about feces.

1961
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:33,320
Speaker 5: It's time to close this there. That's Brian Campbell, that's

1962
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:35,879
Speaker 5: Chuck bean in Hall. I'm Luke Thomas. Hopefully it gets.

1963
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:37,599
Speaker 1: Ready for UFC two eighty one, which of course takes

1964
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 1: place in three days.

1965
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 5: As a reminder. As a reminder, let's see, we have

1966
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:43,639
Speaker 5: stuff going on tomorrow. We're gonna record Friday Live eleven

1967
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 5: am in the East. What time is the Ringer Show?

1968
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 5: You guys are I'm sorry, the ring Show?

1969
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:48,560
Speaker 3: So we do the wig and show, but then the

1970
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:50,760
Speaker 3: latest show starts at seven pm. The doors are at

1971
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 3: seven pm. You can still get tickets. I think there's

1972
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 3: only a few left though, So if you're going to

1973
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:55,680
Speaker 3: do it. Pick up those tickets. Now there we go.

1974
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:57,959
Speaker 2: You have you like a backstage option where that people.

1975
01:16:57,760 --> 01:16:59,719
Speaker 1: Can come like a meet and greet all that's.

1976
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 5: Right, okay, so if you want to get involved with that,

1977
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:03,080
Speaker 5: that's how you got to do that. And then of

1978
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 5: course Saturday back here for the main card, we're going

1979
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:08,680
Speaker 5: to be doing a live companion show and then afterwards

1980
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 5: a post fight show.

1981
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 1: Stick with us all we.

1982
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 2: Got you covered, bumper to bumper, You sticking me? How

1983
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:19,680
Speaker 2: was that?

1984
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 1: I love?

1985
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 3: How awkward the ending of these shows always is.

1986
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 5: I just like that. That's Brian Campbell, that's Chuck Mindenhall.

1987
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:28,639
Speaker 5: I'm look Thomas. Until next time, we all have your gains.

1988
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 1: You think Joanna could still win the one fifteen to