Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily. We're always happy to see Bill
Speaker 1: Barnwell on the other side of a computer screen, although
Speaker 1: it makes us wonder why I didn't see Bill Barnwell
Speaker 1: at all in real life in New Orleans. Bill, What
Speaker 1: does that say about the state of our friendship and
Speaker 1: about kind of older male friendships in general.
Speaker 2: I think it speaks to the impact of AI on
Speaker 2: those relationships. There say a chance it may not have
Speaker 2: been me in New Orleans at all. It might have
Speaker 2: just been a hologram or a facade of myself recording
Speaker 2: with Nate Tice and Charles McDonald of Yahoo in front
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, so you're doing other people's podcast too. That
Speaker 1: makes me feel even worse.
Speaker 2: I did my own podcast, the Bill Barnwell Show, and
Speaker 2: I had guests on the Bill Barnwell Show. I not
Speaker 2: do anyone else's podcast during my time at Radio Row,
Speaker 2: which I did not see you at.
Speaker 1: Uh No, that was That's what I'm getting.
Speaker 2: Who does not factor into the older male relationship conversation here?
Speaker 2: But certainly I feel like Greg, all that would have
Speaker 2: happened had we met up is you would have just
Speaker 2: made me feel old. You would have called me no
Speaker 2: sportswriter from the nineties.
Speaker 1: As you know, we won't do that, but we're I
Speaker 1: consider you a friend, Bill. Now, I guess it's like
Speaker 1: it's like work friends. But I feel like if you
Speaker 1: lived in Los Angeles we would get dinners sometimes, and
Speaker 1: yet there we were in New Orleans and we're just
Speaker 1: too busy for each other. I take the blame there.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about there are a few people like that.
Speaker 1: Phoebe Schechter from Sky Sports I consider a friend. I
Speaker 1: didn't see her all week.
Speaker 2: Somehow I forgot you were Also, Yeah, you were probably
Speaker 2: just plotting your global domination. That is not just the
Speaker 2: voice of NFL Network podcast but also for for Sky
Speaker 2: with Sky.
Speaker 1: Just Talk Sport on this weekend. You know they would
Speaker 1: They won't give me the Super Bowl gig anymore. Back
Speaker 1: in the day they would hook us up. But yes,
Speaker 1: we did the radio and shout out to Will Gavin,
Speaker 1: who has a radio call of that Cooper Disine touchdown
Speaker 1: that's kind of gone viral among Eagles fans. I love that.
Speaker 1: Will Gavin is awesome. He's going to be on the
Speaker 1: show coming up in the next few weeks. He doesn't
Speaker 1: know this yet, but I want him on the show.
Speaker 1: Hopefully we can.
Speaker 2: I bet you saw him during Super Bowl Week?
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 2: I did you? Did you enjoy the game itself? Did
Speaker 2: you enjoy it more being in the stadium, because I
Speaker 2: think the general, you know, perception was it's kind of
Speaker 2: a boring game for us, those of us watching it
Speaker 2: at home.
Speaker 1: No, we are. We're moving off the Super Bowl here.
Speaker 1: Now we're late in the week. We're talking about most
Speaker 1: intriguing trade candidates. But No, to answer your question, I
Speaker 1: just wanted to let the listener know what the show
Speaker 1: is all about in case they didn't see the title.
Speaker 1: Because I'm very excited for this show. This to me
Speaker 1: is a is a cornerstone show of this offseason because
Speaker 1: I think it'll define this offseason. But I thought that
Speaker 1: was extremely entertaining. It was surprise. It was I mean,
Speaker 1: I picked them to win, but I didn't think it
Speaker 1: would be like that. It was excellence. Give me a
Speaker 1: good blowout in person. I thought it was amazing. Now,
Speaker 1: if the Chiefs said blown the Eagles out by that
Speaker 1: much in similar fashion, would I have been saying this. No,
Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't. But I thought it was cool. I
Speaker 1: thought it was cool to just see a team hitting
Speaker 1: on all cylinders like that. Just in person, it was
Speaker 1: kind of overwhelming, certainly affected.
Speaker 2: It was mostly Eagles fans in New Orleans and in
Speaker 2: the stadium. I think played a big role here. I
Speaker 2: think in front of a I mean, just hearing the
Speaker 2: reaction to that aj Brown penalty early in the game
Speaker 2: was like, uh, oh, this is going to be all
Speaker 2: bad calls against the Eagles. This could be a very dangerous,
Speaker 2: very dangerous super Bowl. But certainly you felt like an
Speaker 2: Eagles home game, or at least a quasi Eagles home game.
Speaker 2: Sure in a lot of ways, it just sort of
Speaker 2: felt like the why are you hitting yourself? Super Bowl?
Speaker 2: Because it felt like the Chiefs just hitting themselves over
Speaker 2: and over and over again. Had taken control of the
Speaker 2: Chiefs by force and weren't smacking themselves over and over
Speaker 2: and over again.
Speaker 1: But it's certainly fair we.
Speaker 2: Have seen a lot of that. I think it's fair
Speaker 2: to say, ask someone who just wrote a like seven
Speaker 2: thousand word column about one of these players we're going
Speaker 2: to talk about today and the potential trademarker for one
Speaker 2: of those players for ESPN dot com. I feel like
Speaker 2: there's a lot to discuss when it comes to trade candidate.
Speaker 1: OK, just transitioning me into that, and yeah, like it was.
Speaker 1: The game was essentially over mid third quarter. The DeVante
Speaker 1: Smith touchdown was the last exciting moment, but that it
Speaker 1: was enough for me. There There were certainly many Super
Speaker 1: Bowls I can think of that didn't provide nearly the
Speaker 1: fireworks and just the juice that the first half of
Speaker 1: that game had, And so I I enjoyed the hell
Speaker 1: out of it. I'm, like I said, got enjoy the
Speaker 1: hell out of this. Here's here's the format, very simple.
Speaker 1: We are breaking down the most intriguing trade candidates of
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five off season. We're going in order.
Speaker 1: We'll go back and forth, kind of like a draft,
Speaker 1: except there can't be any bad pick trade we'll see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not really a draft. We're just going back and forth.
Speaker 1: And I did a show yesterday with Nick Schook where
Speaker 1: we went through all the potential franchise tag guys and
Speaker 1: I'm getting ready for my top one oh one free agents.
Speaker 1: And my takeaways from both of those exercises, like where
Speaker 1: are the big names? Where are the good players? And
Speaker 1: you know where they are? Bill, They're all in this show.
Speaker 1: There's so many it's absolutely outrageous. So I will give
Speaker 1: you the first pick. I guess, who do you think
Speaker 1: is the most intriguing trade candidate of the offseason?
Speaker 2: Okay, so how are we doing this by intrigue or
Speaker 2: likelihood of being traded?
Speaker 1: I went intrigued. I went just to what gets what
Speaker 1: would be the most impact?
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, that I'm going to have to reformulate this list.
Speaker 1: Then in real time, you want meeting guy?
Speaker 2: No, No, I will throw the guy out there who
Speaker 2: I just wrote this seven thousand word call about, because
Speaker 2: he is the most intriguing player on the market to me,
Speaker 2: and that is Brown's edge rusher Miles Garrett, who, depending
Speaker 2: on what you think, he may not be available via
Speaker 2: trade at all. He may not be a player who
Speaker 2: gets the sort of value that I think there is
Speaker 2: the public perception about Miles Garrett, given how league treats
Speaker 2: older players. But Greg, I mean the sort of one
Speaker 2: of the cruxes on my column was how many times
Speaker 2: do you see a Hall of Fame player, a guy
Speaker 2: who has already established a Hall of Fame caliber resume
Speaker 2: before thirty, get traded in the NFL? And that is
Speaker 2: a extremely rare proposition.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know of any off the top of
Speaker 1: my head.
Speaker 2: I had six, okay, in my column, so six guys
Speaker 2: who were at least on the All Pro list three
Speaker 2: times before being dealt. You have Tyreek Hill, Eric Dickerson
Speaker 2: is the most famous one or the most prominent one.
Speaker 2: Jandre Hopkins came up for me. It's that caliber of player.
Speaker 2: It's guys who you know, certainly extremely impressive players, no
Speaker 2: doubt about their But even those guys outside of Dickerson
Speaker 2: not locks to be Hall of famers. I think Tyreek
Speaker 2: Kill Deandrew Hopkins will eventually make it. But Miles Garrett
Speaker 2: feels like a lock. He's a four time first team
Speaker 2: All Pro before he turns thirty. A guy like that
Speaker 2: has never been traded this early in his career. And
Speaker 2: so that makes this such a fascinating proposition, because if
Speaker 2: you're the Browns and you're even considering Miles Garrett trade,
Speaker 2: which they say they're not publicly, you kind of have
Speaker 2: to ask for the moon. And I certainly think there
Speaker 2: might be a team out there willing to do that.
Speaker 2: But for a player who is turning thirty, who's going
Speaker 2: to get a massive contract as part of this deal,
Speaker 2: that resume, even given what he has done so far,
Speaker 2: the league has gotten very careful about paying players this
Speaker 2: and trading for players this late in their careers. I mean,
Speaker 2: remember what Jalen Ramsey got a couple of years ago
Speaker 2: in trade a third round pick and Hunter along for
Speaker 2: a player who, admittedly I think Miles Garrett is a
Speaker 2: better player, but Jonn Ramsay was a little younger, had
Speaker 2: been playing at a really high level, and there was
Speaker 2: not a significant market for Jalen Ramsey.
Speaker 1: That's a great point and that's going to be a
Speaker 1: recurring theme with all these guys. How much does the
Speaker 1: new huge contract that you have to sign hurt the
Speaker 1: trade value. I have a couple of strong thoughts on Garrett.
Speaker 1: Number one is I really believe that he will get
Speaker 1: traded really and I believe they're fine with that. I
Speaker 1: feel less strong about that, but I'm taking there Neil
Speaker 1: Jeremiah's take. But I have a feeling he knows things.
Speaker 1: This guy knows things. This is this is the ultimate
Speaker 1: guy who pretends like I'm just saying my opinion, and
Speaker 1: he knows a lot of things. I think they'll think
Speaker 1: it makes sense that if they can get fair compensation
Speaker 1: for Miles Garrett, which is, you know, starting with a
Speaker 1: first plus or it's multiple day one and day two
Speaker 1: picks that actually for them where they are. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's doing them a favor, but they would have
Speaker 1: to pay him now anyways, and I don't know if
Speaker 1: they think it makes sense to give Garrett this contract.
Speaker 1: And I think it's just a perfect combination of he's
Speaker 1: playing so well that he will have a market. If
Speaker 1: Khalil Matck could have a market his second trade round
Speaker 1: to the Chargers, Miles Garrett absolutely can now the record
Speaker 1: of guys over thirty at edge making all Pro staying
Speaker 1: among elite pass rushers is not incredibly great. And yet
Speaker 1: I do think Miles Garrett is such a freak in
Speaker 1: such an outlier, and it's coming off back to back
Speaker 1: years where he won the Defensive Player of the Year
Speaker 1: and then he was a finalist that teams will give
Speaker 1: up picks plus a contract and if it takes till
Speaker 1: April when it's draft, like, so be it. I think
Speaker 1: the Browns actually will welcome this opportunity in the end
Speaker 1: because I think there will be more than enough of
Speaker 1: a market for him because all it takes is two
Speaker 1: or three teams and look, he's your most intriguing Canada.
Speaker 1: He's actually not mine, so you didn't. But I think
Speaker 1: there was a clear top two and he was number two.
Speaker 2: Is there a line, like a line of demarcation where
Speaker 2: if the Browns get this kind overturn, do you feel
Speaker 2: good about it? I guess the first question I ask
Speaker 2: number two is do you think they should prioritize draft
Speaker 2: picks over trying to get players who are going to
Speaker 2: help their roster right now?
Speaker 1: Yes, ideally you would prioritize draft picks. But if you
Speaker 1: can get second or third year players that you really
Speaker 1: believe in, that's great too. I think it just has
Speaker 1: to be one or the other, you know. If Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you can get a second or third year player
Speaker 1: with an established, you know, track record already with some potential,
Speaker 1: then that fits into I think a younger timeline and
Speaker 1: that makes sense and maybe that is what makes the
Speaker 1: Browns do it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I thought about someone like Rashaun Slater with
Speaker 2: the Chargers, where the Browns are gonna need a left tackle.
Speaker 2: I think that's a tough whow for Chargers. They have
Speaker 2: probably not, but they have Joe Alt who could play
Speaker 2: left tackle, at a high level, and they're probably moving
Speaker 2: on from Joey Bosa this offseason, which you have truly
Speaker 2: two below to at one edge spot. I don't think
Speaker 2: Bud Dupree is your starting edge rusher and an ideal world,
Speaker 2: Miles Garrett is Miles Garrett. I mean, Rashon Slator is
Speaker 2: a good player. But you know, would you trade a
Speaker 2: guy you're probably about to pay at left tackle for
Speaker 2: a franchise Hall of Fame caliber edge rusher. I don't
Speaker 2: think so, but at least that's the that's the sort
Speaker 2: of conversation I think about players you're having. I don't
Speaker 2: think Rashawn Slater's on the Block's not on my list here,
Speaker 2: but I think if you're the Browns in lieu of
Speaker 2: draft capital, if you can get a really talented young
Speaker 2: player at a position of need, I think you have
Speaker 2: to have that conversation.
Speaker 1: Totally agree. I also think Garrett going on every show possible.
Speaker 1: He literally went on the ESPN show after your Countdown show,
Speaker 1: after leaving New Orleans and going on everyone's show just
Speaker 1: like in his closet at his house on Zoom or
Speaker 1: whatever and was like trade me please. Like aggression I
Speaker 1: think does matter him being one of the greatest players
Speaker 1: in franchise history matters. I think they'll now look at
Speaker 1: it like, hey, almost I don't know if he did
Speaker 1: them a favorite, but they're not going to take any
Speaker 1: grief for trading such a popular player. If anything, they'll
Speaker 1: get a little credit for, like, hey, let's make Miles happy.
Speaker 1: We got to go. I got like twenty guys on
Speaker 1: my list, so let's go too. Though, we'll spend more
Speaker 1: time with the top guns. There are so many interesting names.
Speaker 1: This is where I'll and I think it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be a lot of trades. Number
Speaker 1: two to me is Matthew Stafford. I don't know. Well, wow,
Speaker 1: well he's a he's a starting quarterback. He was number
Speaker 1: one on my list. I take it back, I mean
Speaker 1: he's number two in this draft. Well, to me, I
Speaker 1: think Matthew Stafford impacts your team more even than Miles Garrett.
Speaker 1: That's just how quarterbacks go. If you put if you
Speaker 1: put Matthew Stafford on one of these teams, like your Giants,
Speaker 1: let's say, I think he raises their wins ceiling significantly
Speaker 1: in a way that even Miles Garrett would not so
Speaker 1: to me, he's the most intriguing for that reason and
Speaker 1: for the other reason that I really think this is happening.
Speaker 1: I think there's something going on there. I'm not a reporter,
Speaker 1: but there's something there. Kelly Stafford, his wife, was on
Speaker 1: air essentially daring the Rams to do it. These things
Speaker 1: don't happen in a vacuum. Bill that there is something
Speaker 1: going on there, and the way that the Rams have
Speaker 1: answered questions, I at this point would be surprised if
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford doesn't get traded. I think they are basically
Speaker 1: gonna have an auction, and I think because he's a
Speaker 1: good starting quarterback, they'll they'll get some picks back. Like
Speaker 1: would the Giants give up a second and a third
Speaker 1: for Matthew Stafford? I could see it, Like, I don't
Speaker 1: think no, I don't think they would do that. But
Speaker 1: would they take this year's second, which is thirty four
Speaker 1: it's almost like a first and like next year's third
Speaker 1: or something? Would the Rams take that? I kind of
Speaker 1: think the Rams would. It really seems like the Rams
Speaker 1: are getting out of the Stafford business, which makes him
Speaker 1: by far to me, the most valuable quarterback that's available,
Speaker 1: because I would put him a tier above Sam Darnold.
Speaker 1: And as far as I know, there's no other great
Speaker 1: quarterbacks available.
Speaker 2: I agree, we'll talk about some quarterbacks who are not great,
Speaker 2: who are going to be available. I'm very a treat
Speaker 2: to hear that you are so confident he is going
Speaker 2: to be dealt. And I don't think that's wrong necessarily,
Speaker 2: but it just, like you said, it makes sense that
Speaker 2: something is a mishere in a way that we can't
Speaker 2: see because from both sides. Why would a trade make sense?
Speaker 2: From Matthew Stafford's side when he said he was coming back,
Speaker 2: the reporting was simultaneously, Oh, he has a contract situation.
Speaker 2: And it's like Matthew Stafford has made three hundred plus
Speaker 2: million dollars to say pro is really you know, it's
Speaker 2: an extra fifteen million dollars in his age five hundred
Speaker 2: and seventeen.
Speaker 1: He ever left a dollar on the table? Ever left
Speaker 1: on the table?
Speaker 2: Is he's part of the bag Hall of Fame or
Speaker 2: an he got to another bag Hall of Famer later
Speaker 2: on in this show. It just seems like like that
Speaker 2: would be a really easy fix if it was just money,
Speaker 2: Like the Rams are not gonna blow up their team
Speaker 2: or blow up their chances of competing next year for
Speaker 2: ten million dollars. But Greg, the part that he seems
Speaker 2: even harder to me is why would you feel confident
Speaker 2: about this if you're the Rams, because you know, yes,
Speaker 2: you can get a second or third arm pick form
Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford. I don't think that's a crazy return in
Speaker 2: a vacuum. But you have a coach and Sean McVay
Speaker 2: who has flirted with going to the media pretty much
Speaker 2: every offseason except for this last one after they sort
Speaker 2: of got back on track and made the playoffs. Who
Speaker 2: doesn't have a great option under center on this roster,
Speaker 2: like sets in Ben and it's not you know, I
Speaker 2: know lest loves sets In Bennett. I don't think that
Speaker 2: is the solution.
Speaker 1: No, if there's anyone, it's Jimmy g I think they
Speaker 1: like Jimmy g but he's a free agent for what
Speaker 1: it's worth. But bringing bring back Jimmy g as has
Speaker 1: been floated as a like and then plus a draft
Speaker 1: pick has been floated as a realistic possibility here.
Speaker 2: But it's not really. Maybe they signed Sam Dartle, that's
Speaker 2: not out of the realm of possibility. It's just do
Speaker 2: you really end up in a place where you are
Speaker 2: more competitive over the next three years. If you trade
Speaker 2: Atthew Stafford, my instinct is no. But if that relationship
Speaker 2: has been so torn apart that there's just no alternative,
Speaker 2: then maybe you do it. But it just seems like
Speaker 2: it would be easier to fix this then make a trade,
Speaker 2: eat the cap hit, move on, try to find a
Speaker 2: new starter. It just doesn't seem to make sense for
Speaker 2: the Rams unless this is the point of no return,
Speaker 2: which is not out of the realm of possibility.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. That was my take right after
Speaker 1: the playoffs, that it makes no sense to me. I
Speaker 1: just think it's I just think it's gonna happen there.
Speaker 1: I just think it's gonna happen. I think the Rams's
Speaker 1: answer would be, this isn't Stafford's offense, it's Sean McVay.
Speaker 1: That there's so much belief in Sean mcvagh from himself
Speaker 1: and the organization. That Stafford's thirty eight has been fighting
Speaker 1: through injuries, maybe plays hurt quite a bit, plays through it.
Speaker 1: This year was certainly his worst year in Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: that now just might be the time, and yeah, that
Speaker 1: there might there might be some personal stuff here. In
Speaker 1: terms of, like Sean McVay is a certain way he
Speaker 1: wants to run his offense, and he's adapted towards Stafford,
Speaker 1: but maybe he's ready to go back to the way
Speaker 1: he wants to do it. You go with the next
Speaker 1: player that you think is the most intriguing.
Speaker 2: I have a question. Now we'll move on Giants. Anyone
Speaker 2: else come to mind for you? As like the Matthew
Speaker 2: Stafford landing spot.
Speaker 1: That raiders Jets tight? I mean really anyone but any
Speaker 1: one who stakes basically well, that's the teams that need
Speaker 1: quarterbacks right now are generally the teams that stink. Is
Speaker 1: there a decent team that doesn't need a quarterback? I
Speaker 1: can't think of one.
Speaker 2: Colts.
Speaker 1: Colts, Yeah, I think the New York I think I
Speaker 1: actually think the Jets and the Giants for the New
Speaker 1: York market. I think the Kelly Stafford thing of it
Speaker 1: all is maybe a thing in Vegas. Are the places
Speaker 1: like oh yeah, they just sort of make sense to me.
Speaker 1: And I think the Jets and Giants are a little
Speaker 1: more turnkey in terms of like they could compete with
Speaker 1: If Matthew Stafford is playing well, then then the outside
Speaker 1: would think because there's actually good players on those teams,
Speaker 1: whereas some of these teams, Titans Raiders, like, I don't
Speaker 1: see a lot of good players, all right, I mean,
Speaker 1: Browns could be in the mix, but I can't see
Speaker 1: that happening. You go for most intriguing.
Speaker 2: Next, I will throw a non quarterback into the mix.
Speaker 2: I will throw a wide receiver from Pittsburgh by the
Speaker 2: name of George Pickens into interesting, a twenty three year
Speaker 2: old wide receiver with impressive production over the last few years.
Speaker 2: And this is a how much are you willing to
Speaker 2: consider the right flags trade? Right? Because I mean, Mike
Speaker 2: Tomlin has done a great job of taking wide receivers
Speaker 2: who are drafted in the middle of the draft and
Speaker 2: developing them at the starters with some questionable behavioral attribute
Speaker 2: and then it's pretty much gone south the moment theayth
Speaker 2: left Pittsburgh in most cases, not all, but in most cases.
Speaker 2: And with George Pickens, he's younger than most of those guys,
Speaker 2: he's more athletic than most of those guys. He's been
Speaker 2: very productive went on the field, even in a run
Speaker 2: first offense, even in with terrible quarterback play. I mean,
Speaker 2: how many opportunities do you get to trade for a
Speaker 2: potential the true wide receiver one at twenty three years
Speaker 2: old and not have to give up multiple first round
Speaker 2: picks to get that done. That is a rare opportunity.
Speaker 2: And I think there are going to be teams if
Speaker 2: George Pickens really is available, who say to themselves, this
Speaker 2: is assume we have to take because our alternatives are
Speaker 2: paying T. Higgins. So I don't think. I think is
Speaker 2: a good player, but not as good of a player
Speaker 2: and has significant injury.
Speaker 1: Well, George Pickens over T Higgins.
Speaker 2: I think if you can get the George Pickens that
Speaker 2: we believe George Pickens can be. Yeah, but there's a
Speaker 2: real question of you know, is George Pickens that guy.
Speaker 2: He still has some rookie eligibility left, He's still not
Speaker 2: very expensive. And I think with Higgins you're paying full freight,
Speaker 2: you know, and for a guy who has been pretty
Speaker 2: much injured for you know, a whole season of the
Speaker 2: last two years. And that's a real concern. And we
Speaker 2: don't even know if Tigins is going to be out there.
Speaker 2: Ti Higgins might be franchised for all we know, And
Speaker 2: so I think you're going to have franchises who feel like,
Speaker 2: our culture is great, we're great coaching. It's the juice
Speaker 2: is worth the squeeze for George Pickens, and the Steelers
Speaker 2: might say to themselves, we can get the next George
Speaker 2: Pickens in the draft and not have to deal with
Speaker 2: maybe as many of the headaches as we've dealt with
Speaker 2: in these last few weeks.
Speaker 1: They're a rare franchise. You can actually see doing this
Speaker 1: because most would be afraid to. I would be afraid
Speaker 1: of trading for the guy that Mike Tomlin couldn't. Oh sure,
Speaker 1: get on board. Yeah, Antonio Brown post Pittsburgh, a little rough, sure,
Speaker 1: Deontay Johnson post Pittsburgh. Just at the wide receiver position,
Speaker 1: your guy Plexico there there's an exception, total pro and got.
Speaker 2: It well, was fine?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there are. There are accept but two recent
Speaker 1: ones where the only reason they're trading hum is because
Speaker 1: of his focus and anything like that off the field,
Speaker 1: because he's been excellent. And it's tricky. You mentioned he's
Speaker 1: on the rookie contract, So if you're trading for him,
Speaker 1: you're thinking, we get him extremely cheap this year. Worst case,
Speaker 1: we franchise him next year. We have George Pickens two
Speaker 1: years like twenty eight million. That that's quite reasonable, and
Speaker 1: then we see where we're at after that, that that's
Speaker 1: fair enough. That was a great pick. I wrote down
Speaker 1: so many names Bill and he wasn't even on my list,
Speaker 1: and yet that was he should have been. I'm going
Speaker 1: to change around him.
Speaker 2: So interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I'm going to change around my order then,
Speaker 1: just because I like it when there's thematic elements to
Speaker 1: the show. And I'm going to go with Tyreek Hill
Speaker 1: because to me, he's similar to Pickens in the way
Speaker 1: that it doesn't really make football sense. But the only
Speaker 1: reason that the main reason that he would be traded
Speaker 1: is it's just time that the course of the relation
Speaker 1: between the Dolphins and Tyreek Hill, much like the one
Speaker 1: with Pickins and you know the Steelers, has run out.
Speaker 1: The difference being, of course, Tyreek Hill makes a lot
Speaker 1: of money. They just gave him a big new contract,
Speaker 1: so it's not really saving them money, which absolutely complicates it.
Speaker 1: But it seems very possible that Tyreek Hill could be
Speaker 1: out based on the way last season ended. The way
Speaker 1: last season went throughout, like he didn't quite seem like
Speaker 1: the same player. It didn't seem like he was quite
Speaker 1: on the same page he pulled himself out of the
Speaker 1: Week eighteen game. That's the type of thing that happens
Speaker 1: right before you get traded.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and certainly I mean pulling yourself out of the game.
Speaker 2: He claimed afterwards, any risk injury that should have been
Speaker 2: required season ending surgery over the summer that he played through,
Speaker 2: which I mean, again, don't doubt that he had an injury.
Speaker 2: I'm skeptical it would have been requiring surgery if he
Speaker 2: played through it the entire year. Like Tyryk Kill is
Speaker 2: still a good player, and he's one year removed from
Speaker 2: one of the best wide receiver seasons we've ever seen
Speaker 2: in back to back years with a quarterback into a
Speaker 2: tongue of Ioloa who we think is good but isn't
Speaker 2: exactly Patrick Mahomes. But again, I think the question is
Speaker 2: the risk you're taking on and the price you're taking on.
Speaker 2: For George Pickens, like if it doesn't work out, that's
Speaker 2: a bummer. The Chase Claypool, by the way, another guy
Speaker 2: we didn't mention, did not work out with the Bears.
Speaker 2: But like you're you're paying draft capital, you're second chap
Speaker 2: they did right. It turned into Joey Porter Jr.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And do you know who the Montes sweat pick turned into,
Speaker 2: no Cooper Degene.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wait, because because the Eagles traded up, the Commander
Speaker 2: has got Mike Sayer still, who's also a very good
Speaker 2: young cornerback, and the Eagles traded up into that Bear's
Speaker 2: pick and got Cooper Degene. But with Harry Kill, not
Speaker 2: only are you paying the draft capital and I think
Speaker 2: it'd probably be a similar price to what you pay
Speaker 2: for pickens, but you're also paying in a significant salary
Speaker 2: as well, So you're now complicating that. Maybe you're impacting
Speaker 2: your wide receiver om maybe those guys are going to
Speaker 2: want to get paid more. You have a guy who
Speaker 2: has been certainly difficult to deal with at times in
Speaker 2: the past. You're you're training for a guy who just
Speaker 2: you know, asked his way out of a game in
Speaker 2: week eighteen. I think that has to be similar to pickings.
Speaker 2: The perfect scenario. It has to be a situation where
Speaker 2: you're confident you're going to be competitive all year. You
Speaker 2: can get him the ball a lot, He's not going
Speaker 2: to be complaining, and there's not really many places where
Speaker 2: that makes sense. So I think he's going to stay
Speaker 2: in my own it's certainly intriguing.
Speaker 1: Give me to you too, your old boss, Bill Simmons
Speaker 1: throughout some one liner. As I was researching this, it
Speaker 1: was not aware that he said this, but it had
Speaker 1: been aggregated that at some Super Bowl party, someone connected
Speaker 1: to Tyreek Hill told him to keep an eye on
Speaker 1: the Chargers. Just the fact that people connected Tyreek Hill
Speaker 1: are telling Bill Simmons to keep an eye on possible teams,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a pretty good sign that you might
Speaker 1: be getting traded. That's interesting. And then back to the Chiefs,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think he'll cost much. I actually
Speaker 1: think he would be more of a salary dump in
Speaker 1: that it would be like a third round pick. I
Speaker 1: think Pickens would be more valuable because of his salary
Speaker 1: and because of his age and the only way the
Speaker 1: Dolphins do this. And it might not happen. This is
Speaker 1: not the highest on my list of most likely to happen,
Speaker 1: but I think there's a pretty reasonable chance, like fifty
Speaker 1: to fifty. If his people are telling like journalists like
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on teams, it's possible. But I
Speaker 1: think the Chiefs might be like, yeah, like, if you
Speaker 1: want to if we can give you like a late
Speaker 1: third and we feel like we can get a great
Speaker 1: year or two out of Tyreek Hill, I could see that,
Speaker 1: And the Chargers make a little bit of sense to
Speaker 1: me too.
Speaker 2: Just there's other people for the Chargers I think make
Speaker 2: more sense schematically stylistically. Do you want to talk about
Speaker 2: one of those players, please go? I would throw Cooper
Speaker 2: Cup the Rams wide receiver, okay out there in the
Speaker 2: mix where Cooper Cup is thirty one years old. He
Speaker 2: might be a cut candidate. Frankly, as opposed to a
Speaker 2: trade candidate. I'd be shocked if he was able to
Speaker 2: get everything he has coming in his contract. But if
Speaker 2: you're Cooper Cup, the Chargers to me make total sense.
Speaker 2: You don't have to move play in the same building
Speaker 2: right now. Cooper Cup's strengths are his blocking, his ability
Speaker 2: after the catch, his ability to you know, work over
Speaker 2: the middle of the field. He's not going to be
Speaker 2: someone who threatens you down feel very often, and the
Speaker 2: Chargers have a guy who works out of that in
Speaker 2: the slot and the McConkey. But I think Cup can
Speaker 2: do that from the outside. I think his blocking plays
Speaker 2: up in a run heavy scheme. His you know, certainly
Speaker 2: his energy, certainly his motor play up. I think there's
Speaker 2: a injury risk here, certainly with Cooper Cup, that would
Speaker 2: dramatically reduce his trade value. But I think you can
Speaker 2: get Cooper Cup if you're willing to eat most of
Speaker 2: his salary, not even all the salur If you can
Speaker 2: get the Rams to eat some of it, and you're
Speaker 2: paying him on a one year deal for I don't know,
Speaker 2: ten million, and you're giving him a seventh round pick,
Speaker 2: I think that's a pretty appealing opportunity as opposed to
Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill, who also took a major step backwards last year,
Speaker 2: also played the rd injury, and it's going to cost
Speaker 2: you a lot more in terms of draft capital and
Speaker 2: in terms of cash.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's gonna be a little up to
Speaker 1: Cup about how he wants to handle the contract situation.
Speaker 1: If there's a team out there willing to pay his salary,
Speaker 1: or if the Rams, if it's worth it for them
Speaker 1: to pay ten million dollars of his salary to get
Speaker 1: like a fourth or whatever, it would be almost buying it,
Speaker 1: that's true a draft pick. But other than that, you're right,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a ton of trade value. And yet
Speaker 1: there's so few good free agent wide receivers available. He
Speaker 1: certainly might have like a late pickswap type of value.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that the Chargers make some sense that on
Speaker 1: that front, I'm going to go back to the top
Speaker 1: of my list. This guy was third overall and we
Speaker 1: still haven't even gotten to him. Michael Parsons. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is like the best pass rusher I've ever seen
Speaker 1: enter the league, just in pure pass rushing skills, I
Speaker 1: would say he is the best. Since I'm using.
Speaker 2: You have Stafford ahead of him in your potential impact.
Speaker 1: Yes, because he's a quarterback. I had Stafford Garrett Parsons,
Speaker 1: but maybe Parsons should be even higher. You're right, you
Speaker 1: know this is not science here, Bill. We're just having fun.
Speaker 1: Our guy, Ian Rappaport my guy at least, I guess
Speaker 1: you have your own guy, Adam Schefter. But they pretend
Speaker 1: to be friends. They pretend to be friendly. I like
Speaker 1: them both.
Speaker 2: Let's not have me cash fillis in terms of who's
Speaker 2: my guy and who's not my guy. I don't think
Speaker 2: that's an appropriate conversation for us to have on this show.
Speaker 1: I like them both. They've both been very nice to me. Parsons,
Speaker 1: according to Ian Rappaport and Tom Pelsaro at NFL Network,
Speaker 1: was mentioned as a guy whose future is up in
Speaker 1: the air and that they've at least had internal discussions
Speaker 1: about potentially trading hum whether it would be the right
Speaker 1: time now. The internal discussions report came before we even
Speaker 1: had Brian Schottenheimer as the coach. But as we know,
Speaker 1: Brian Schottenheimer is not making these decisions. It's the joneses.
Speaker 1: If Miles Garrett could bring a lot back, just in
Speaker 1: terms of all the people I wrote down, there's no
Speaker 1: question of all the people that I wrote down, Michael
Speaker 1: Parsons I think would get the most in return, because
Speaker 1: just for obvious reasons, because he's a future Hall of
Speaker 1: Famer just about to enter his prime. You know, he's
Speaker 1: five years younger, four years younger than Garrett.
Speaker 2: Right, you're looking at the klu Mac trade and you're
Speaker 2: adding more that. That is the micro Parsons discussion for me,
Speaker 2: and that's fine. I think it's totally logical to have
Speaker 2: a at least an internal I don't know what difference
Speaker 2: between an internal discussion and an external discussion. You can't
Speaker 2: call anybody, I guess, but a micro Parsons discussion, whether
Speaker 2: internal or external, given that you have this sort of
Speaker 2: intractable problem with the Cowboys roster, right, I mean they
Speaker 2: had I think I've said this some million times this year,
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott, CD Lamb, and Micah Parsons combining to make
Speaker 2: about sixty million dollars a year, and they did not
Speaker 2: get out of the Division round. And now you've paid
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott, You've paid CD Lamb, Michaeh Parsons is probably
Speaker 2: about to get paid either by the Cowboys or somebody else.
Speaker 2: That's the interest is fifty year option. Those guys will
Speaker 2: be making one hundred and thirty million dollars a year
Speaker 2: for the three of them. So even given the salary
Speaker 2: cap increase, how do you make that math work where
Speaker 2: you're more competitive with those three guys taking up more
Speaker 2: than twice what they were on your cap previously. That
Speaker 2: is a difficult situation for anyone to deal with, let
Speaker 2: alone the Cowboys, who as m as well as they draft,
Speaker 2: have a habit of handing out some very bad contracts
Speaker 2: to the players they want to keep around. And so
Speaker 2: you've already committed to Dak, You've already committed to Lamb. Certainly,
Speaker 2: Micah Parsons would make sense as a viable trade candidate
Speaker 2: if you decide that that roster philosophy does not work.
Speaker 2: But that is such a difficult conundrum because you have
Speaker 2: you're going to get a lot, but it's not going
Speaker 2: to be instant impact. You're going to have to wait
Speaker 2: a couple of years. And with Dak you're kind of
Speaker 2: in the wind now mode. No, so it sort of
Speaker 2: feels like you end up in this weird space where again,
Speaker 2: if they can get young players, if they can get
Speaker 2: you know, guys who are difference makers for them, who
Speaker 2: are immediate impact players, sure go for it. But I
Speaker 2: think if you're adding you know, twenty twenty six and
Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven first round picks for Mica Parsons, I
Speaker 2: don't think that really helps your big picture right now
Speaker 2: if you're the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it's an interesting point because it's sort of
Speaker 1: a thought discussion, and we're having it. Is any defensive
Speaker 1: player who is making thirty five million dollars a year
Speaker 1: or whatever Michael Parsons will cost, and you're right, he's
Speaker 1: entering his fifth year option and he's not going to
Speaker 1: be pleasant with the Cowboys if he doesn't get an
Speaker 1: exchange in this offseason, is literally any player worth that
Speaker 1: money versus let's just say two first and a third
Speaker 1: and to fourth. I'm just trying to just do some
Speaker 1: medium Would you always rather have those picks, let's say
Speaker 1: they're medium to good picks. I don't know the answer
Speaker 1: to that, but I think it's reasonable to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: I might rather have the picks no matter what. And
Speaker 1: in that case, if Parsons can get you that. There
Speaker 1: are some teams out there, like there just aren't many
Speaker 1: good players in free agency. And the Patriots have one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty million dollars in cap space, the Raiders
Speaker 1: have ninety, the Commanders have seventy five, the Cardinals have seventy,
Speaker 1: the Chargers have sixty, Bears have sixty. There's a whole
Speaker 1: bunch more. And this is before some of the cuts
Speaker 1: and the restructures. Like someone could go out there and
Speaker 1: afford it. They just want to find They just want
Speaker 1: to have to decide if if they would give up
Speaker 1: all those picks that obviously for the Patriots and the
Speaker 1: Raiders like that would not make sense to them. But
Speaker 1: maybe there's a I don't think it would make sense
Speaker 1: to them, but uh, like all it takes is one, right,
Speaker 1: all it takes is one.
Speaker 2: All it takes is one. And I think the difference
Speaker 2: between him and Garrett, for example, is you could draft
Speaker 2: you could get Micae Parsons and think, Okay, he's gonna
Speaker 2: be here playing well in five years given what history
Speaker 2: tells us about agent curse or defensive ends. And Miles Garrett.
Speaker 2: You hope he's an experts smith. You hope he's an
Speaker 2: ext Archie White. But it's no guarantee to me. If
Speaker 2: you're the Patriots, yes, you could justify Mica Parsons. It's
Speaker 2: obviously much tougher given that you're potentially trading two top
Speaker 2: five You don't want to do that.
Speaker 1: You need some picks. Yeah, they're just so high in
Speaker 1: the draft. But you're right, maybe like the Raiders add
Speaker 1: him to Max Crosby, trade Max for Micah.
Speaker 2: Trade Garrett, trade trade Miles Garrett for Maca Parsons. Is
Speaker 2: that we should be talking about here.
Speaker 1: This is insane. This is what's happening in the offseason.
Speaker 1: I tell you there's no big need names. This is
Speaker 1: the new NFL free agency, and look at it so far,
Speaker 1: we've done future Hall of Famer Miles Garrett, who a
Speaker 1: guy who I think will eventually have a Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame career persons. I think Tyreek's basically in already. Stafford's
Speaker 1: got a chance. Although it's getting harder these days. It's
Speaker 1: hard out here for great players and some fun other
Speaker 1: players like Cooper cup who was a triple Crown winner.
Speaker 1: Your pickets, We're gonna do even more good names after
Speaker 1: the break. The most intriguing trade candates with Bill Barney.
Speaker 1: But Bill, like if we were in that close friends,
Speaker 1: we would have made it time. That's I think what
Speaker 1: bothers me? And that's okay. Everyone can't be your best friend.
Speaker 1: But like it was like that one person you haven't
Speaker 1: seen him in a long time, You just you just
Speaker 1: make it happened. And we're we're not at that level yet,
Speaker 1: maybe we can get.
Speaker 2: Do you think it's the spirit of competition some time?
Speaker 1: Do you think, you know, although people should be listening
Speaker 1: to the Bill Barnwell Show, I don't. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's that. I think we're all friends here NFL, in
Speaker 1: the ESPN, and and you and I there's only so
Speaker 1: many of these little seats at the table, and.
Speaker 2: Like, I was only there for three days. To be fair,
Speaker 2: you were there for a whole week.
Speaker 1: I was. I got there on Wednesday. I don't know
Speaker 1: what I got. You know, I was there for.
Speaker 2: Story you did? You did? You did? Our friend Mina
Speaker 2: Kimes's benefit show.
Speaker 1: For LAS Yes, that was earlier in the week. So
Speaker 1: I got there late late Tuesday night.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was there Tuesday afternoon till Friday morning. So
Speaker 2: we only crossed over for two days.
Speaker 1: Okay, are you going to the combine?
Speaker 2: No, I'm not going to the combine this year because
Speaker 2: I think I mentioned this publicly, but I am expecting
Speaker 2: a child right around. That's right up.
Speaker 1: Congratulations Bill Barnwell. What a reason not to go to
Speaker 1: a combine. What a great reason.
Speaker 2: If it were in Hawaii, maybe I would say, you
Speaker 2: know what, we'll We'll seek it out for a couple
Speaker 2: of days. No, did I love India. I'm happy to
Speaker 2: combats in India every year. I feel like I don't
Speaker 2: want to miss the birth of my first child.
Speaker 1: I think that's a good move. In February, I skipped it.
Speaker 1: I went to the Super Bowl to watch Malcolm Butler
Speaker 1: make that interception. Just a couple of weeks after my
Speaker 1: son was born and then skip the Combine that year
Speaker 1: as part of paternity leave. I thought that was a
Speaker 1: good reason not to go to Indianapolis. But I will
Speaker 1: be there. I'm sad I won't see you there either.
Speaker 1: Maybe just move to LA then we can have those dinners,
Speaker 1: like can you do that for me? It's a good
Speaker 1: group out here.
Speaker 2: I would love to move to LA. That is a
Speaker 2: that is a off off conversation. We can have the podcast.
Speaker 1: Yes, I love who throughout the last one. I think
Speaker 1: it was me with Parsons. So you are up next,
Speaker 1: You're up next?
Speaker 2: Who will I throw at next? I have so many
Speaker 2: good names to hit a bunch of wide receivers. I
Speaker 2: will throw out a guy who tormented micro Parsons in
Speaker 2: years past. I'll throw out Deebo Samuel. Where certainly the
Speaker 2: Cooper Cup conversation, I think factors in here where you
Speaker 2: have some veteran whiteouts who are certainly available for cap reasons.
Speaker 2: I don't think Deebo Samuel will be on the Niners
Speaker 2: one way or another in twenty twenty five. I would
Speaker 2: expect he'll be cut if he's not traded, which whoa uh,
Speaker 2: look at their roster. They need to find money for
Speaker 2: brock Purty. They're going to cut him on hardgrave. Once
Speaker 2: they signed Juwan Jennings to a small extension, once they
Speaker 2: drafted Ricky Pearson in the first round, and once they
Speaker 2: signed Brandon Ayuk to an enormous extension. Writing was on
Speaker 2: the wall, and I think Deebo Samuel coming off of
Speaker 2: a disappointing season, a player who's certainly very physical at
Speaker 2: twenty nine now almost in his thirties, there's only so
Speaker 2: many guys you can move for the Niners to make
Speaker 2: the math work for a brock Purty extension, even if
Speaker 2: you structure it in a team friendly way, and so
Speaker 2: I would imagine Deebo will not be back, whether it
Speaker 2: be via cut or via trade. I expect they'll find
Speaker 2: a trade market for him. But that's such a difficult
Speaker 2: player because he's not a plug and play wide receiver.
Speaker 2: He's the best yards after catch guy in the league still,
Speaker 2: but you have to find a role that.
Speaker 1: Since I will push back on that, I am, I.
Speaker 2: Believe if you go to the NFL's next Gen stats,
Speaker 2: which you are familiar with this an NFL employee, you
Speaker 2: will find that the best expected yards after catch guy
Speaker 2: year after year is Deebo Samuel. He gets more out
Speaker 2: of what is expected than anybody else in the league
Speaker 2: by a significant margin. I think he's like two to
Speaker 2: one over the second place guy over the last five
Speaker 2: years and might still be number one even this past season. Now.
Speaker 2: He has a litley of injuries in his past, he's
Speaker 2: almost thirty, he is expensive, and he is probably going
Speaker 2: to want some new money on a deal, and so
Speaker 2: all of that makes is very complicated because you have
Speaker 2: to have a team that's really willing to use him
Speaker 2: in a role that makes the most sense for him.
Speaker 2: You have to be willing to endure the injuries, and
Speaker 2: you have to be willing to pay. I think the
Speaker 2: Chargers would make sense in a unique role given that
Speaker 2: they do run the ball so much and he is
Speaker 2: a physical player, but I think he's not just a
Speaker 2: plug and play guy, and the way that even a
Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill might be on the field, at least for
Speaker 2: NFL teams.
Speaker 1: I agree. I think he's a much more attractive option
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup. I think there's a lot of similarities that
Speaker 1: they aren't the same physically because of how they've played
Speaker 1: such a physical brand of football. Deebo hasn't had a
Speaker 1: great year since twenty twenty one before he got this
Speaker 1: contract though. I mean, he hasn't broken a thousand yards.
Speaker 1: Just the eye test tells you the juice comes and
Speaker 1: goes a little bit. I think he plays through things
Speaker 1: at times and then he'll look great another day. I
Speaker 1: thought the Canary and the coal mine this year were
Speaker 1: his rushing attempts. He suddenly was averaging three yards per
Speaker 1: attempt and he usually is five to six. You know,
Speaker 1: his first year he was like eleven. And I know
Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers offensive line in the forty nine
Speaker 1: Ers offense in general is not as good. But just
Speaker 1: the eye test says he's not the same player, and
Speaker 1: he's similar to Cup in the same way that he
Speaker 1: will have to decide how he wants to handle the
Speaker 1: contract situation, because on the contract he's currently on, it's
Speaker 1: actually a huge bonus. I would give more for Deebo
Speaker 1: Samuel if he said I'm cool with this. All he's
Speaker 1: doing is like six million and then another million and
Speaker 1: some bonuses. He's doing like seven million dollars this year
Speaker 1: and then his contract's voided. If he was willing to
Speaker 1: do to have like a prove it year. You know,
Speaker 1: I'd give up a third round pick for that. But
Speaker 1: if he needed a new, big contract, which is probably
Speaker 1: what he'll be looking for, I would say that that
Speaker 1: complicates it. Yeah, he's a good one. I really liked him.
Speaker 1: I'm going to throw out Max Crosby, who I mentioned earlier.
Speaker 1: He was mentioned alongside Parsons in this up in the
Speaker 1: air and the whole thought was Pete Carroll comes in.
Speaker 1: He was at the press conference. The organization is more stable, Okay,
Speaker 1: Crosby is more likely to be here. But they don't,
Speaker 1: you know, Rapaport and Pellisierra don't mention it on Super
Speaker 1: Bowl Sunday from nothing, and they might look at it
Speaker 1: like we're even though we're not rebuilding, they want to
Speaker 1: win with with Pete Carroll that they're interested in, just
Speaker 1: like what what it would cost to get Max Crosby.
Speaker 1: And you do wonder is the fact that he gets
Speaker 1: sit down meetings regularly with the owner like a positive
Speaker 1: or a negative for the new GM and coach like
Speaker 1: it's weird. He has an incredible amount of power, it
Speaker 1: seems for a player, and sometimes that runs its course,
Speaker 1: and his value is sky high still, so if they
Speaker 1: were ever going to trade him now actually would be
Speaker 1: the time. I agree, And so Ian throwing that out
Speaker 1: there makes me think they're probably not looking to but
Speaker 1: they're seeing like they're seeing if someone was going to
Speaker 1: give us two first for Max Crosby, we'd do it.
Speaker 1: That that type of thing.
Speaker 2: Have you been to the Las Vegas Airport anytime recently, Greg.
Speaker 1: Not since the Super Bowl, but I was there, And there.
Speaker 2: Is an ad for Max Crosby's like cigar bar with
Speaker 2: him smoking a cigar and he smokes a lot of
Speaker 2: cigars for an NFL player, And again, nothing wrong with
Speaker 2: that if he's obviously a super great athlete, but just
Speaker 2: one of those things where you're like, this is really
Speaker 2: the best, the best thing for you, you know as a player.
Speaker 1: Well you don't inhale it. I guess they convince themselves
Speaker 1: it's not that bad for you. I don't. I mean,
Speaker 1: it is bad for you maybe, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, I think that's just an example of like Max Crosby,
Speaker 2: who I think is a phenomenal football player and someone
Speaker 2: who I think is has been one of the three
Speaker 2: or four best defensive players in football over the last
Speaker 2: five years. Like he does whatever he wants and because
Speaker 2: he's the only one of the few people there who
Speaker 2: has had any sign of relationship to winning. Over the
Speaker 2: last three or four years, he's carried terrible defenses to
Speaker 2: vaguely competent at times. They were tenth in scoring defense
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three because of Max Crosby, and so
Speaker 2: as a rational thing, it makes total sense to trade
Speaker 2: Max Crosby. Like you said, he's at his peak, he
Speaker 2: plays a key position, He's on a very comfortable deal
Speaker 2: that would be a huge market for him. The Raiders
Speaker 2: would get multiple first round picks in the logic of
Speaker 2: he's not going to be a great player for the
Speaker 2: time at the point we are competitive, which is three
Speaker 2: or four years from now, that he's not going to
Speaker 2: be the Max Crosby we see right now, and he's
Speaker 2: you know, three or four years and another contract down
Speaker 2: the line when the Raiders might have a shot at
Speaker 2: being competent given how much they have to invest in
Speaker 2: the draft and knows where around their roster, then yes,
Speaker 2: it would make total sense. It's to trade Max Crosby.
Speaker 2: But that relationship with the ownership, that like the fact
Speaker 2: that he is the one player where if you go
Speaker 2: to a Raiders game, He's the one guy you see
Speaker 2: on jerseys, in the stands, He's the one guy in
Speaker 2: the billboards in Las Vegas. That's the reason I think
Speaker 2: the Raiders don't trade him rational or not fair.
Speaker 1: I do wonder though, if he wants to be traded,
Speaker 1: and he.
Speaker 2: Has said publicly every single time, I do not want
Speaker 2: to be traded most privately.
Speaker 1: But he opened the door a little bit this offseason
Speaker 1: a little bit, and then Pete Carroll came in. If
Speaker 1: both he was open to a trade, and I think
Speaker 1: the new GM and coach would be open to it,
Speaker 1: then maybe like they could convince Mark Davis. I mean,
Speaker 1: I Ian went as far as to suggest the team
Speaker 1: that he knows a lot of people in Green Bay.
Speaker 1: He knows a lot of players there. I was like, really,
Speaker 1: the fact that like Josh Jacobs and I think it
Speaker 1: was Keishaw Nixon or on the team, is there is
Speaker 1: there more than that? Maybe there's a defensive line coach
Speaker 1: I don't know about. I was like, really, that's that's
Speaker 1: the connection.
Speaker 2: First, the construct me use the Troit Lions.
Speaker 1: That would be good. Detroit needs to get in on
Speaker 1: one of these trades. It won't be Matthew Stafford. It
Speaker 1: won't be Deebo Samuel, but if they would be a
Speaker 1: great team for any of these pass rushers. While we're
Speaker 1: talking pass rushers, I'm just gonna throw out I'm taking
Speaker 1: a turn. I don't care unless you do. You have
Speaker 1: a pass rusher on yours sort of.
Speaker 2: If I have a couple, but go go for it.
Speaker 2: I want to hear.
Speaker 1: Yours because there's another at this level. And it's amazing
Speaker 1: to me that we might be entering an offseason where
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett, Michael Parsons, Max Crosby, and Trey Hendrickson are
Speaker 1: all available at the same time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but why do you That's the one I'm most
Speaker 2: skeptical of because it feels like they're trying to compete
Speaker 2: and in the most hopeless situation if they do trade
Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 1: Because A he asked for it, it was the softest
Speaker 1: trade request ever last offseason. Sure, and then b yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be over thirty and they have so many
Speaker 1: people to pay between Jamar Chase and possibly t Higgins.
Speaker 1: And again, his value is quite high after seventeen point
Speaker 1: five sacks, and he deserves and wants a new contract.
Speaker 1: Their GM Duke Tobin was on the record saying he
Speaker 1: has earned a raise in a new contract, and we
Speaker 1: will offer him a raise and a new contract. The
Speaker 1: problem is whether we can agree on what that raise
Speaker 1: in new contract will be. And even that one quote
Speaker 1: said to me, like, Okay, maybe maybe he's a little
Speaker 1: open to if they could get a second for Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 1: They might just they might just do it because it's
Speaker 1: they don't make a lot of trades. But it seems
Speaker 1: kind of bengalsy to me.
Speaker 2: It just feels like so just self defeating, like, Okay,
Speaker 2: you got a second round pick for your best maybe
Speaker 2: really only great defensive player unless I'm forgetting someone on
Speaker 2: the Bengals roster, and you're you have a quarterback where
Speaker 2: you can win right now with Joe Burrow, and you
Speaker 2: have a wide receiver and Jim R. Chasey went with
Speaker 2: right now, You've invested a lot on the offense and
Speaker 2: you have hope that you can develop players on defense.
Speaker 2: It has not worked so far. I thought Joe Burrow's
Speaker 2: comments recently about how looking at the Eagles saying, hey,
Speaker 2: they pay everybody, Like, well, Joe, you discovered the difference
Speaker 2: between the Eagles ownership and the Bengals ownership and what
Speaker 2: they're willing to do to make their players and their
Speaker 2: organization happy. And I just it feels like such an
Speaker 2: easier thing to do to just pay Trey Hendrickson and
Speaker 2: figure out how to save money elsewhere, even if that
Speaker 2: means moving on from t Higgins.
Speaker 1: Bengals fans will all point out they have been quite
Speaker 1: high on cash spending the last couple of years. They
Speaker 1: have not spent well, no, that's the problem. It's been
Speaker 1: in free some of it's been free agency, some of
Speaker 1: it's been on you know, those tackles Orlando Brown. And
Speaker 1: I actually I read Paul Danner's article about this in
Speaker 1: the in the Athletic, and I don't think it'd be
Speaker 1: that crazy to treat I actually disagree a little bit
Speaker 1: that if as long as they spent the money pretty
Speaker 1: well on t Higgins and Chase and a decent return,
Speaker 1: it's not crazy to trade training and more important, Bill,
Speaker 1: what side are you on here, like Bengals fans or
Speaker 1: content creators, like we need more of these. Let's push
Speaker 1: these out into the ether. Okay, it's not just like
Speaker 1: BS like coming up with nonsense trades. These actually all
Speaker 1: seem pretty realistic. So far, we have not come up
Speaker 1: with like one that we're just throwing out for fun.
Speaker 1: These are all realistic.
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know, we will see I want to
Speaker 2: throw out. I have a couple of defensive linemen I
Speaker 2: can throw out here. Uh, both of them I think
Speaker 2: are not anywhere near a prominent as the players you mentioned,
Speaker 2: but makes sense for me just because of roster construction reasons.
Speaker 2: I will throw Jonathan Allen, the Commander's defensive tackle out
Speaker 2: there where you have drawn pain and you have Dreshn Newton,
Speaker 2: who has been really impressive as a rookie. Allen final
Speaker 2: year of his deal, now he's thirty. Commanders have deeds
Speaker 2: elsewhere at defensive end. For example, could you consider swapping
Speaker 2: Jonathan Allen for one of these edge rushers we mentioned
Speaker 2: in a trade where you figure, Okayilan's still a very
Speaker 2: impactful interior defensive lineman, but probably not. The Commanders don't
Speaker 2: need three of those when they have very little on
Speaker 2: the outside of Dorian's Armstrong with with Dumpey Fowler being
Speaker 2: a free agent, you have needs on the offensive line.
Speaker 2: You have needs a receiver that would make sense to
Speaker 2: me as a surplus position for them, and then Jalen
Speaker 2: Phillips for the Miami Dolphins, where coming off of another
Speaker 2: sadly another injury on his fift their options, so it
Speaker 2: would be a one year flyer. Basically, Dolphins might need
Speaker 2: to eat some money. But Chop Robinson was a superstar
Speaker 2: when he was in the field second half of last season.
Speaker 2: Bradley Chubb's coming back from his injury that cost him
Speaker 2: all a twenty twenty four Jalen Phillips his future is
Speaker 2: not here. His future somewhere else, probably going to be
Speaker 2: at best a situational pass rusher. Dolphins need to save
Speaker 2: some money here and there. I think Jalen Films would
Speaker 2: make sense for a team that wants to kind of
Speaker 2: buy low on a guy who looked really good before
Speaker 2: the injuries over the past couple of years.
Speaker 1: Those are two really fascinating ones. Dron payin you could
Speaker 1: throw in with Alan like it just could be an
Speaker 1: either or sure the one of these is intriguing. The
Speaker 1: Dolphins have a really interesting offseason. I'll just put it
Speaker 1: out there, so Tyreek, the Jalen Phillips decision I think
Speaker 1: is interesting. I would think they want to like, he
Speaker 1: looks so good in the when he's been out there,
Speaker 1: but these are two big injuries. I think they want
Speaker 1: to keep their guy, but you're right they could. They
Speaker 1: could look to trade him. Bradley Chubb is probably more
Speaker 1: of a cap casualty type of guy, but who knows,
Speaker 1: maybe they would take him. He also Jalen Ramsey like
Speaker 1: he's usually had expiration dates. I looked at the money
Speaker 1: though with him and he probably have to be like
Speaker 1: a that might be like a training camp one. It's
Speaker 1: a little.
Speaker 2: As well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he could retire like that. There's a lot going
Speaker 1: on there with the Dolphins. I love those two shoutouts,
Speaker 1: and the commanders have to me are up there in
Speaker 1: terms of fascinating offseasons because they have so much money,
Speaker 1: so much opportunity, and an attractive to.
Speaker 2: Me, they're they're the Miles Garrett team. Like if the
Speaker 2: Browns are really trading Miles Garrett, that is the team
Speaker 2: that makes the most sense on so many levels for me.
Speaker 1: I agree, that's a great one. I'm gonna mention the
Speaker 1: two tag candidates that could get traded, which are Tea
Speaker 1: in Darnold and Uh. I don't need to go on
Speaker 1: them on him too long. We talked about him a little.
Speaker 2: Bit on this show about save Donald the great length
Speaker 2: in the past.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tag primer, But those those two guys could could
Speaker 1: get tagged and dealt, and so the timing of that
Speaker 1: is a little open ended. You just have to have
Speaker 1: the room on your roster to be able to you know,
Speaker 1: fit them under the cap, and then you can hold
Speaker 1: onto them throughout the course of the off season, which
Speaker 1: means you could hold onto them even until Draft Day,
Speaker 1: which is kind of a soft deadline if you really want,
Speaker 1: or you could do it early. We haven't seen a
Speaker 1: ton of this over the years, but we have seen it,
Speaker 1: including last year with lugerious needs.
Speaker 2: So that another example as well, certainly makes sense to
Speaker 2: me that you would see those guys potential tag and
Speaker 2: trade candidates. Should we talk about Kirk? I feel like
Speaker 2: we talked about so many quarterballs and.
Speaker 1: We forgot about Kirk. Kirk, I like, did not. I looked,
Speaker 1: I looked at all the teams. I was like, there's
Speaker 1: no other. Actually, I wrote down Kyle Pitt's way at
Speaker 1: the end of my list as just like a fanciful one,
Speaker 1: I think. But you're right, that makes sense because I
Speaker 1: actually the more I thought about it, he could probably
Speaker 1: get like a six round pick or something. I don't
Speaker 1: think it would be much, but it'd be something.
Speaker 2: Well, if you don't believe the Falcons really want to
Speaker 2: have him as a twenty seven and a half million
Speaker 2: dollars back up next year, you would think there'd be
Speaker 2: a market. I certainly the Falcons will have to eat
Speaker 2: a good amount of money. I guess twenty million dollars
Speaker 2: at the bare minimum for Kirk. I think the report
Speaker 2: of his shoulder injury I think was designed to get
Speaker 2: a little bit of that market flowing for him, saying, oh, look,
Speaker 2: he was fine before he heard his shoulder and we
Speaker 2: didn't tell anybody about it and put that on the
Speaker 2: injury report. I think they're gonna eat a little fine
Speaker 2: for that, But I think if they can get some
Speaker 2: more in return for Kirk, I think they would like that.
Speaker 2: I mean, the Browns made total sense to me here
Speaker 2: as a team where Kevin Stefanski work with Kirk cousins
Speaker 2: in Minnesota, they are probably in a weird spot when
Speaker 2: it comes draftan quarterback. If they love a guy, they'll
Speaker 2: probably take one. But with the Shan Watson probably out
Speaker 2: for most, if not all, a twenty twenty five. This
Speaker 2: could be a let's give Kirk a shot at a
Speaker 2: much reduced salary and see what we get with him
Speaker 2: certainly going to be much more beloved than Watson was here,
Speaker 2: and that could be a you know, if they don't
Speaker 2: want to spend a lot of money at quarterback, if
Speaker 2: they don't want to make a significant bet right now,
Speaker 2: Kirk makes a lot of sense to me.
Speaker 1: So he's due twenty seven point five million dollars in
Speaker 1: base salary. It's fully guaranteed.
Speaker 2: Guaranteed bag Hall of Famer, Greg It's Kirk Stafford and
Speaker 2: Durel Revis. Yeahs, ballot bag Hall of Fame. Shout out to.
Speaker 1: Durel Revis in that twenty fourteen Patriots team. That's how
Speaker 1: I'll always remember him. I wonder with Kirk, though, that's
Speaker 1: that's a pretty onerous salary. I know quarterbacks cost more.
Speaker 2: You have to pay a good amount of it to
Speaker 2: get me stealed.
Speaker 1: Okay, But even then, I don't think you can be
Speaker 1: giving up legitimate draft capital in the year twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five for Kirk Cousins. So it has to be a
Speaker 1: tiny trade. If there's a trade, it has to be
Speaker 1: a tiny trade. It's more just we'll take them and
Speaker 1: you take some money and we'll give you like some
Speaker 1: day three pick swapper. Yeah, okay, okay, this is.
Speaker 2: Gonna be the Browns giving up a six round pick
Speaker 2: for Kirk Coussins and the Falcons et in twenty million.
Speaker 1: So I seem giving giving up capital for for quarterbacks
Speaker 1: coming off an injury. It just yeah, it's just it's
Speaker 1: just bad. It's all bad.
Speaker 2: But you have to do something.
Speaker 1: No, No, you're right. I've gotten on board that that trade,
Speaker 1: that alignment seems like it's gonna happen. We mentioned the
Speaker 1: Browns before I meant to mention. Denz Award actually came
Speaker 1: out publicly and said he sees himself as a tandem
Speaker 1: with Miles Garrett, which is interesting, like he he wants
Speaker 1: in on this trade. And he also said if Miles
Speaker 1: Garrett got traded, that would impact my desire in my future.
Speaker 1: So just a name I'm throwing out there. I'm just
Speaker 1: researching this. Yeah.
Speaker 2: He also plausible trade candidates this year as well, if
Speaker 2: they keep done some word.
Speaker 1: In a position that like isn't normally available. The only
Speaker 1: other person at cornerback I could even vaguely think of
Speaker 1: was Jay r Alexander, but him and Joey Moosa went
Speaker 1: into my category of guys who don't have trade value. Actually,
Speaker 1: even though they're kind of intriguing, they'll just get cut,
Speaker 1: I think, and be a good shot to take for
Speaker 1: some other team. But I don't think they have trade value.
Speaker 1: Do you have any other names you want out there
Speaker 1: before we finish this show?
Speaker 2: Oh, I have a couple.
Speaker 1: Okay, give me rapid Fire.
Speaker 2: Okay, Titus Howard, Texan's right tackle who's moved to guard
Speaker 2: two years in a row. Blake Fisher probably staying at
Speaker 2: right tackle, but there's always a market for tackles in
Speaker 2: the NFL. I will give you one. I'll give you
Speaker 2: one very franciful one that I think I have to
Speaker 2: explain the logic now it makes sense. Joe Toney, Chiefs
Speaker 2: Joe Slash left tackle. Joe Toney, thirty two years old,
Speaker 2: entering the final year of his deal. The Chiefs have
Speaker 2: Trey Smith coming up in free agency. It's going to
Speaker 2: be very tough to resign him in pay Joe Toney
Speaker 2: a ton of money. But what if you trade Joetuney.
Speaker 2: We're probably not giving him a big extension after this
Speaker 2: year anyway, So trade him a year early, keep Trace
Speaker 2: Smith draft left guard to replaced Joe Touney. Seems to
Speaker 2: be a lot more logical than me than let Tray
Speaker 2: Smith leave, let Joe Toney leave next year and have
Speaker 2: to replace two guards in the years to come.
Speaker 1: Well, you can just trade them to the Raiders. We
Speaker 1: already know their owner thinks so highly of Joe Tuney.
Speaker 1: He voted him fourth place for Offensive Rookie of the
Speaker 1: Year Offensive Player of the Year. It's outrageous.
Speaker 2: That's not the most outrageous thing we saw on this voting.
Speaker 1: Greg, Well, okay, just right, you're right. What happened Bobby
Speaker 1: Wagner got some all pro votes or something that was bad?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I got down down ballot defensive Player
Speaker 2: of the Year votes if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 1: Oh man, that.
Speaker 2: Could be wrong. This is again during the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I'm like half joking about Tony by the way, the
Speaker 1: Raiders would totally trade for Joe Tounyu. I was gonna
Speaker 1: say maybe the Patriots because he played with Rabel, But no,
Speaker 1: Tony Toney hasn't been around that long. That actually makes
Speaker 1: so much sense. I wish I had thought of it.
Speaker 1: Because I've been trying to figure out how how they
Speaker 1: can keep Trey Smith, and that would be one way
Speaker 1: that they could do it. Are you done with the
Speaker 1: rapid fires?
Speaker 2: I'm done. Give me your rapid fires to finish up.
Speaker 1: Okay, will Levis just you know, yeah, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: get much Minka Fitzpatrick. There was a lot of like
Speaker 1: strange Minca. I don't think I was reading between the
Speaker 1: lines between some of the players and some of the
Speaker 1: reporters that maybe Minca wasn't on the same page with
Speaker 1: everything that was going on, hasn't been as impactful. That's one.
Speaker 1: And then DeVante Adams I mentioned on the show before
Speaker 1: that could happen. I don't think k MECAF will happen,
Speaker 1: but for whatever reason, fans seemed to think dk MECA
Speaker 1: would happened. And then here's one that actually is realistic.
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Simmons at this point of his career. He liked
Speaker 1: a tweet by the way that was suggesting Rabill go
Speaker 1: bring him to New England, and I could see them
Speaker 1: trading jeff Simmons at this point in his career, whether
Speaker 1: it was to the Patriots or any other team. It
Speaker 1: just seems like they're rebuilding and they could get something
Speaker 1: for Jeffrey Simmons.
Speaker 2: Of okay, we're gonna trade Jeffrey Simmons to a team.
Speaker 2: You know, we're rebuilding. We're not gonna win. Now, let's
Speaker 2: trade him to the Patriots. That's the team that is
Speaker 2: going to be competing with Jeffrey Simmons.
Speaker 1: You can't argue with the likes. That's reporting. He liked
Speaker 1: the tweet and then he unliked it. What do we do?
Speaker 1: What do we do before social media likes Greg when
Speaker 1: he had to report on stuff in two that I didn't,
Speaker 1: I didn't do any reporting back then. I just did
Speaker 1: it now.
Speaker 2: Back then, Okay, I mean, Jeffery Simmons is an awesome player.
Speaker 2: I think there should be a lot of teams in
Speaker 2: the market for Jeffrey Simmons if he were to come available.
Speaker 2: I just.
Speaker 1: The reason why, isn't. One of the things I did
Speaker 1: as I was getting ready was I went and searched
Speaker 1: the articles of who could be on the block during
Speaker 1: the trade market, and supposedly they were willing to listen
Speaker 1: to Jeffrey Simmons in the middle of last season. Now,
Speaker 1: as the Titans do, they've blown up their front office
Speaker 1: in between, so it's sometimes hard to know what carries
Speaker 1: over at the Titans since they changed literally every six months.
Speaker 2: What they're playing is yes, between those two, I feel
Speaker 2: like Fitzpatrick makes sense. It's also been like the veguest
Speaker 2: inklings of TJ. Watts stuff because he's on the final
Speaker 2: year of his team Steelers. I but you know, again,
Speaker 2: there's there's five other Hall of Fame caliber drushers on
Speaker 2: the market. You would think TJ. Watt does not make sense.
Speaker 2: But I mean, Herbie looked really good last year, Alex
Speaker 2: high Spid looks great. They have needs elsewhere. Again, I
Speaker 2: don't think it's likely, but I think certainly you could
Speaker 2: see the logic if it were not one of the
Speaker 2: most beloved players in franchise history.
Speaker 1: I am going to count up how many names we
Speaker 1: mentioned on this show, and then I'm going to put
Speaker 1: it in the title of the show, and it's going
Speaker 1: to be like the twenty seven most intriguing trade candidate.
Speaker 1: And what we're gonna do, Bill is We're going to
Speaker 1: keep track, yeah, and see how many actually get traded.
Speaker 1: Because I want this show Yea to be the flag
Speaker 1: planted in the ground that this is gonna be the
Speaker 1: off season of trades. There's just the draft is blah,
Speaker 1: the free agency is bla. You want to improve your
Speaker 1: team in a more significant, gout see way because your
Speaker 1: team's not struggling. There's a lot of cap spaces out there.
Speaker 1: You're gonna do it through trades, and I think where
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a great off season of trades and
Speaker 1: people are gonna You're gonna thank me, Bill, because people
Speaker 1: are gonna be coming up to you on the street
Speaker 1: and saying, remember that twenty seven trade candidates pod you
Speaker 1: did on NFL Daily, Wow, what foresight?
Speaker 2: How many what's the over under for how many trades
Speaker 2: you think will actually happen of those twenty seven players?
Speaker 1: Of those? That wasn't the number, by the way, I'm
Speaker 1: just I was just throwing out a number. I don't
Speaker 1: know what the number was, but if there was twenty seven,
Speaker 1: three and a half, no way more, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: like twelve. I'm gonna go twelve.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Okay, i will go under twelve. That
Speaker 2: would be my official betting stance. Yeah, about right.
Speaker 1: You're probably right. Seven or eight might be like a
Speaker 1: better line.
Speaker 2: It would be great. I would love seven or eight.
Speaker 2: I felt so good when I had DeAndre Hopkins going
Speaker 2: to the Chiefs in October, and like two weeks later
Speaker 2: it happens. Oh Man, I felt that I won't thrown.
Speaker 1: That in Season one is different. I really do think
Speaker 1: the situation that is facing the NFL, like the circumstances,
Speaker 1: is really setting up for a big time trade year.
Speaker 1: So we'll see.
Speaker 2: That's my prediction. I agree, I agree, you think you
Speaker 2: did Logic Country. And also, this is the year of
Speaker 2: Howie Rosman. I think people are going to emulate Howie Roseman.
Speaker 2: And nobody is more active on the trade market than
Speaker 2: Howie Roseman.
Speaker 1: Well, let's add another name. Then Bryce Huff is available.
Speaker 1: He is not going to be on the egos. I
Speaker 1: don't think next year. I don't know what a wild
Speaker 1: turn of events. Twenty plus million, and he was inactive
Speaker 1: for the Best defense Defensive super Bowl.
Speaker 2: The rest of their offseason was so good that Howie
Speaker 2: Rosman might get a Hall of Fame votes for when
Speaker 2: he did this offseason, and the most expensive player he
Speaker 2: signed was basically in a relevant mess all season.
Speaker 1: That's why it's tough. It's tough pick up players. It's
Speaker 1: tough to guess what's gonna happen. It's not tough to
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Speaker 2: I do probably tomorrow.
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