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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily. We're always happy to see Bill

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Speaker 1: Barnwell on the other side of a computer screen, although

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Speaker 1: it makes us wonder why I didn't see Bill Barnwell

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Speaker 1: at all in real life in New Orleans. Bill, What

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Speaker 1: does that say about the state of our friendship and

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Speaker 1: about kind of older male friendships in general.

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Speaker 2: I think it speaks to the impact of AI on

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Speaker 2: those relationships. There say a chance it may not have

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Speaker 2: been me in New Orleans at all. It might have

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Speaker 2: just been a hologram or a facade of myself recording

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Speaker 2: with Nate Tice and Charles McDonald of Yahoo in front

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Speaker 2: of it.

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, so you're doing other people's podcast too. That

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Speaker 1: makes me feel even worse.

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Speaker 2: I did my own podcast, the Bill Barnwell Show, and

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Speaker 2: I had guests on the Bill Barnwell Show. I not

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Speaker 2: do anyone else's podcast during my time at Radio Row,

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Speaker 2: which I did not see you at.

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Speaker 1: Uh No, that was That's what I'm getting.

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Speaker 2: Who does not factor into the older male relationship conversation here?

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Speaker 2: But certainly I feel like Greg, all that would have

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Speaker 2: happened had we met up is you would have just

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Speaker 2: made me feel old. You would have called me no

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Speaker 2: sportswriter from the nineties.

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Speaker 1: As you know, we won't do that, but we're I

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Speaker 1: consider you a friend, Bill. Now, I guess it's like

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Speaker 1: it's like work friends. But I feel like if you

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Speaker 1: yet there we were in New Orleans and we're just

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Speaker 1: too busy for each other. I take the blame there.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about there are a few people like that.

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Speaker 1: Phoebe Schechter from Sky Sports I consider a friend. I

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Speaker 2: Somehow I forgot you were Also, Yeah, you were probably

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Speaker 2: just plotting your global domination. That is not just the

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Speaker 2: voice of NFL Network podcast but also for for Sky

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Speaker 1: Just Talk Sport on this weekend. You know they would

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Speaker 1: They won't give me the Super Bowl gig anymore. Back

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Speaker 1: Will Gavin is awesome. He's going to be on the

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Speaker 1: show coming up in the next few weeks. He doesn't

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Speaker 2: I bet you saw him during Super Bowl Week?

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Speaker 1: I did.

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Speaker 2: I did you? Did you enjoy the game itself? Did

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Speaker 1: No, we are. We're moving off the Super Bowl here.

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Speaker 1: Now we're late in the week. We're talking about most

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Speaker 1: intriguing trade candidates. But No, to answer your question, I

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Speaker 1: Because I'm very excited for this show. This to me

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Speaker 1: We'll go back and forth, kind of like a draft,

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Speaker 1: And my takeaways from both of those exercises, like where

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Speaker 1: you know where they are? Bill, They're all in this show.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so how are we doing this by intrigue or

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Speaker 1: Then in real time, you want meeting guy?

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Speaker 1: That's a great point and that's going to be a

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Speaker 2: if the Browns get this kind overturn, do you feel

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Speaker 1: Totally agree. I also think Garrett going on every show possible.

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Speaker 2: see because from both sides. Why would a trade make sense?

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Speaker 2: on in this show. It just seems like like that

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Speaker 1: They're a rare franchise. You can actually see doing this

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Speaker 1: and yet that was he should have been. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to change around him.

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Speaker 2: So interesting.

438
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I'm going to change around my order then,

439
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Speaker 1: just because I like it when there's thematic elements to

440
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Speaker 1: the show. And I'm going to go with Tyreek Hill

441
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Speaker 1: because to me, he's similar to Pickens in the way

442
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Speaker 1: that it doesn't really make football sense. But the only

443
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Speaker 1: reason that the main reason that he would be traded

444
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Speaker 1: is it's just time that the course of the relation

445
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Speaker 1: between the Dolphins and Tyreek Hill, much like the one

446
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Speaker 1: with Pickins and you know the Steelers, has run out.

447
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Speaker 1: The difference being, of course, Tyreek Hill makes a lot

448
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Speaker 1: of money. They just gave him a big new contract,

449
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Speaker 1: so it's not really saving them money, which absolutely complicates it.

450
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Speaker 1: But it seems very possible that Tyreek Hill could be

451
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Speaker 1: out based on the way last season ended. The way

452
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Speaker 1: last season went throughout, like he didn't quite seem like

453
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Speaker 1: the same player. It didn't seem like he was quite

454
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Speaker 1: on the same page he pulled himself out of the

455
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Speaker 1: Week eighteen game. That's the type of thing that happens

456
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Speaker 1: right before you get traded.

457
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and certainly I mean pulling yourself out of the game.

458
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Speaker 2: He claimed afterwards, any risk injury that should have been

459
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Speaker 2: required season ending surgery over the summer that he played through,

460
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Speaker 2: which I mean, again, don't doubt that he had an injury.

461
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Speaker 2: I'm skeptical it would have been requiring surgery if he

462
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Speaker 2: played through it the entire year. Like Tyryk Kill is

463
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Speaker 2: still a good player, and he's one year removed from

464
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Speaker 2: one of the best wide receiver seasons we've ever seen

465
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Speaker 2: in back to back years with a quarterback into a

466
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Speaker 2: tongue of Ioloa who we think is good but isn't

467
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Speaker 2: exactly Patrick Mahomes. But again, I think the question is

468
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Speaker 2: the risk you're taking on and the price you're taking on.

469
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Speaker 2: For George Pickens, like if it doesn't work out, that's

470
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Speaker 2: a bummer. The Chase Claypool, by the way, another guy

471
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Speaker 2: we didn't mention, did not work out with the Bears.

472
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Speaker 2: But like you're you're paying draft capital, you're second chap

473
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Speaker 2: they did right. It turned into Joey Porter Jr.

474
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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

475
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Speaker 2: And do you know who the Montes sweat pick turned into,

476
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Speaker 2: no Cooper Degene.

477
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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

478
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Wait, because because the Eagles traded up, the Commander

479
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Speaker 2: has got Mike Sayer still, who's also a very good

480
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Speaker 2: young cornerback, and the Eagles traded up into that Bear's

481
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Speaker 2: pick and got Cooper Degene. But with Harry Kill, not

482
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Speaker 2: only are you paying the draft capital and I think

483
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Speaker 2: it'd probably be a similar price to what you pay

484
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Speaker 2: for pickens, but you're also paying in a significant salary

485
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Speaker 2: as well, So you're now complicating that. Maybe you're impacting

486
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Speaker 2: your wide receiver om maybe those guys are going to

487
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 2: want to get paid more. You have a guy who

488
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Speaker 2: has been certainly difficult to deal with at times in

489
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Speaker 2: the past. You're you're training for a guy who just

490
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Speaker 2: you know, asked his way out of a game in

491
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Speaker 2: week eighteen. I think that has to be similar to pickings.

492
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Speaker 2: The perfect scenario. It has to be a situation where

493
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Speaker 2: you're confident you're going to be competitive all year. You

494
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Speaker 2: can get him the ball a lot, He's not going

495
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Speaker 2: to be complaining, and there's not really many places where

496
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Speaker 2: that makes sense. So I think he's going to stay

497
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Speaker 2: in my own it's certainly intriguing.

498
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Speaker 1: Give me to you too, your old boss, Bill Simmons

499
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Speaker 1: throughout some one liner. As I was researching this, it

500
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Speaker 1: was not aware that he said this, but it had

501
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Speaker 1: been aggregated that at some Super Bowl party, someone connected

502
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Speaker 1: to Tyreek Hill told him to keep an eye on

503
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Speaker 1: the Chargers. Just the fact that people connected Tyreek Hill

504
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Speaker 1: are telling Bill Simmons to keep an eye on possible teams,

505
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a pretty good sign that you might

506
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Speaker 1: be getting traded. That's interesting. And then back to the Chiefs,

507
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think he'll cost much. I actually

508
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Speaker 1: think he would be more of a salary dump in

509
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Speaker 1: that it would be like a third round pick. I

510
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 1: think Pickens would be more valuable because of his salary

511
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Speaker 1: and because of his age and the only way the

512
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Speaker 1: Dolphins do this. And it might not happen. This is

513
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Speaker 1: not the highest on my list of most likely to happen,

514
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Speaker 1: but I think there's a pretty reasonable chance, like fifty

515
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Speaker 1: to fifty. If his people are telling like journalists like

516
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Speaker 1: to keep an eye on teams, it's possible. But I

517
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Speaker 1: think the Chiefs might be like, yeah, like, if you

518
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Speaker 1: want to if we can give you like a late

519
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 1: third and we feel like we can get a great

520
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Speaker 1: year or two out of Tyreek Hill, I could see that,

521
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Speaker 1: And the Chargers make a little bit of sense to

522
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Speaker 1: me too.

523
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Speaker 2: Just there's other people for the Chargers I think make

524
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Speaker 2: more sense schematically stylistically. Do you want to talk about

525
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Speaker 2: one of those players, please go? I would throw Cooper

526
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Speaker 2: Cup the Rams wide receiver, okay out there in the

527
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Speaker 2: mix where Cooper Cup is thirty one years old. He

528
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Speaker 2: might be a cut candidate. Frankly, as opposed to a

529
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Speaker 2: trade candidate. I'd be shocked if he was able to

530
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Speaker 2: get everything he has coming in his contract. But if

531
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Speaker 2: you're Cooper Cup, the Chargers to me make total sense.

532
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Speaker 2: You don't have to move play in the same building

533
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Speaker 2: right now. Cooper Cup's strengths are his blocking, his ability

534
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Speaker 2: after the catch, his ability to you know, work over

535
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Speaker 2: the middle of the field. He's not going to be

536
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 2: someone who threatens you down feel very often, and the

537
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Speaker 2: Chargers have a guy who works out of that in

538
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Speaker 2: the slot and the McConkey. But I think Cup can

539
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 2: do that from the outside. I think his blocking plays

540
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Speaker 2: up in a run heavy scheme. His you know, certainly

541
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Speaker 2: his energy, certainly his motor play up. I think there's

542
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Speaker 2: a injury risk here, certainly with Cooper Cup, that would

543
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 2: dramatically reduce his trade value. But I think you can

544
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Speaker 2: get Cooper Cup if you're willing to eat most of

545
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Speaker 2: his salary, not even all the salur If you can

546
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Speaker 2: get the Rams to eat some of it, and you're

547
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Speaker 2: paying him on a one year deal for I don't know,

548
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 2: ten million, and you're giving him a seventh round pick,

549
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Speaker 2: I think that's a pretty appealing opportunity as opposed to

550
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Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill, who also took a major step backwards last year,

551
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Speaker 2: also played the rd injury, and it's going to cost

552
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Speaker 2: you a lot more in terms of draft capital and

553
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Speaker 2: in terms of cash.

554
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's gonna be a little up to

555
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Speaker 1: Cup about how he wants to handle the contract situation.

556
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: If there's a team out there willing to pay his salary,

557
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: or if the Rams, if it's worth it for them

558
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: to pay ten million dollars of his salary to get

559
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: like a fourth or whatever, it would be almost buying it,

560
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: that's true a draft pick. But other than that, you're right,

561
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a ton of trade value. And yet

562
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: there's so few good free agent wide receivers available. He

563
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: certainly might have like a late pickswap type of value.

564
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: And yeah, that the Chargers make some sense that on

565
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Speaker 1: that front, I'm going to go back to the top

566
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Speaker 1: of my list. This guy was third overall and we

567
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: still haven't even gotten to him. Michael Parsons. I mean,

568
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 1: this is like the best pass rusher I've ever seen

569
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: enter the league, just in pure pass rushing skills, I

570
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: would say he is the best. Since I'm using.

571
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Speaker 2: You have Stafford ahead of him in your potential impact.

572
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Speaker 1: Yes, because he's a quarterback. I had Stafford Garrett Parsons,

573
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: but maybe Parsons should be even higher. You're right, you

574
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Speaker 1: know this is not science here, Bill. We're just having fun.

575
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: Our guy, Ian Rappaport my guy at least, I guess

576
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: you have your own guy, Adam Schefter. But they pretend

577
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: to be friends. They pretend to be friendly. I like

578
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: them both.

579
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 2: Let's not have me cash fillis in terms of who's

580
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 2: my guy and who's not my guy. I don't think

581
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: that's an appropriate conversation for us to have on this show.

582
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Speaker 1: I like them both. They've both been very nice to me. Parsons,

583
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Speaker 1: according to Ian Rappaport and Tom Pelsaro at NFL Network,

584
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: was mentioned as a guy whose future is up in

585
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: the air and that they've at least had internal discussions

586
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: about potentially trading hum whether it would be the right

587
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: time now. The internal discussions report came before we even

588
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: had Brian Schottenheimer as the coach. But as we know,

589
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: Brian Schottenheimer is not making these decisions. It's the joneses.

590
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: If Miles Garrett could bring a lot back, just in

591
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: terms of all the people I wrote down, there's no

592
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: question of all the people that I wrote down, Michael

593
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: Parsons I think would get the most in return, because

594
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Speaker 1: just for obvious reasons, because he's a future Hall of

595
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: Famer just about to enter his prime. You know, he's

596
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: five years younger, four years younger than Garrett.

597
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 2: Right, you're looking at the klu Mac trade and you're

598
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 2: adding more that. That is the micro Parsons discussion for me,

599
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 2: and that's fine. I think it's totally logical to have

600
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 2: a at least an internal I don't know what difference

601
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 2: between an internal discussion and an external discussion. You can't

602
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 2: call anybody, I guess, but a micro Parsons discussion, whether

603
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: internal or external, given that you have this sort of

604
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 2: intractable problem with the Cowboys roster, right, I mean they

605
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 2: had I think I've said this some million times this year,

606
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott, CD Lamb, and Micah Parsons combining to make

607
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 2: about sixty million dollars a year, and they did not

608
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 2: get out of the Division round. And now you've paid

609
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott, You've paid CD Lamb, Michaeh Parsons is probably

610
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: about to get paid either by the Cowboys or somebody else.

611
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 2: That's the interest is fifty year option. Those guys will

612
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 2: be making one hundred and thirty million dollars a year

613
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 2: for the three of them. So even given the salary

614
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 2: cap increase, how do you make that math work where

615
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 2: you're more competitive with those three guys taking up more

616
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 2: than twice what they were on your cap previously. That

617
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 2: is a difficult situation for anyone to deal with, let

618
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 2: alone the Cowboys, who as m as well as they draft,

619
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 2: have a habit of handing out some very bad contracts

620
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 2: to the players they want to keep around. And so

621
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: you've already committed to Dak, You've already committed to Lamb. Certainly,

622
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 2: Micah Parsons would make sense as a viable trade candidate

623
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: if you decide that that roster philosophy does not work.

624
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 2: But that is such a difficult conundrum because you have

625
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: you're going to get a lot, but it's not going

626
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: to be instant impact. You're going to have to wait

627
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 2: a couple of years. And with Dak you're kind of

628
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 2: in the wind now mode. No, so it sort of

629
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 2: feels like you end up in this weird space where again,

630
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 2: if they can get young players, if they can get

631
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 2: you know, guys who are difference makers for them, who

632
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 2: are immediate impact players, sure go for it. But I

633
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 2: think if you're adding you know, twenty twenty six and

634
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven first round picks for Mica Parsons, I

635
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 2: don't think that really helps your big picture right now

636
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: if you're the Dallas Cowboys.

637
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it's an interesting point because it's sort of

638
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: a thought discussion, and we're having it. Is any defensive

639
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: player who is making thirty five million dollars a year

640
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: or whatever Michael Parsons will cost, and you're right, he's

641
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: entering his fifth year option and he's not going to

642
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: be pleasant with the Cowboys if he doesn't get an

643
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: exchange in this offseason, is literally any player worth that

644
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: money versus let's just say two first and a third

645
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: and to fourth. I'm just trying to just do some

646
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: medium Would you always rather have those picks, let's say

647
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: they're medium to good picks. I don't know the answer

648
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: to that, but I think it's reasonable to say, yeah,

649
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: I might rather have the picks no matter what. And

650
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: in that case, if Parsons can get you that. There

651
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: are some teams out there, like there just aren't many

652
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: good players in free agency. And the Patriots have one

653
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty million dollars in cap space, the Raiders

654
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: have ninety, the Commanders have seventy five, the Cardinals have seventy,

655
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: the Chargers have sixty, Bears have sixty. There's a whole

656
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: bunch more. And this is before some of the cuts

657
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: and the restructures. Like someone could go out there and

658
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: afford it. They just want to find They just want

659
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: to have to decide if if they would give up

660
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: all those picks that obviously for the Patriots and the

661
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: Raiders like that would not make sense to them. But

662
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: maybe there's a I don't think it would make sense

663
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: to them, but uh, like all it takes is one, right,

664
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: all it takes is one.

665
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,479
Speaker 2: All it takes is one. And I think the difference

666
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 2: between him and Garrett, for example, is you could draft

667
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,959
Speaker 2: you could get Micae Parsons and think, Okay, he's gonna

668
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: be here playing well in five years given what history

669
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: tells us about agent curse or defensive ends. And Miles Garrett.

670
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: You hope he's an experts smith. You hope he's an

671
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: ext Archie White. But it's no guarantee to me. If

672
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 2: you're the Patriots, yes, you could justify Mica Parsons. It's

673
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: obviously much tougher given that you're potentially trading two top

674
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 2: five You don't want to do that.

675
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: You need some picks. Yeah, they're just so high in

676
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: the draft. But you're right, maybe like the Raiders add

677
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: him to Max Crosby, trade Max for Micah.

678
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 2: Trade Garrett, trade trade Miles Garrett for Maca Parsons. Is

679
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 2: that we should be talking about here.

680
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: This is insane. This is what's happening in the offseason.

681
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: I tell you there's no big need names. This is

682
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: the new NFL free agency, and look at it so far,

683
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: we've done future Hall of Famer Miles Garrett, who a

684
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: guy who I think will eventually have a Hall of

685
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: Fame career persons. I think Tyreek's basically in already. Stafford's

686
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: got a chance. Although it's getting harder these days. It's

687
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: hard out here for great players and some fun other

688
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: players like Cooper cup who was a triple Crown winner.

689
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: Your pickets, We're gonna do even more good names after

690
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: the break. The most intriguing trade candates with Bill Barney.

691
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: But Bill, like if we were in that close friends,

692
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: we would have made it time. That's I think what

693
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: bothers me? And that's okay. Everyone can't be your best friend.

694
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: But like it was like that one person you haven't

695
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: seen him in a long time, You just you just

696
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: make it happened. And we're we're not at that level yet,

697
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: maybe we can get.

698
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: Do you think it's the spirit of competition some time?

699
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: Do you think, you know, although people should be listening

700
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: to the Bill Barnwell Show, I don't. I don't think

701
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: it's that. I think we're all friends here NFL, in

702
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: the ESPN, and and you and I there's only so

703
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: many of these little seats at the table, and.

704
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 2: Like, I was only there for three days. To be fair,

705
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 2: you were there for a whole week.

706
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: I was. I got there on Wednesday. I don't know

707
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: what I got. You know, I was there for.

708
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: Story you did? You did? You did? Our friend Mina

709
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: Kimes's benefit show.

710
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: For LAS Yes, that was earlier in the week. So

711
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: I got there late late Tuesday night.

712
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was there Tuesday afternoon till Friday morning. So

713
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 2: we only crossed over for two days.

714
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: Okay, are you going to the combine?

715
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 2: No, I'm not going to the combine this year because

716
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: I think I mentioned this publicly, but I am expecting

717
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: a child right around. That's right up.

718
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: Congratulations Bill Barnwell. What a reason not to go to

719
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: a combine. What a great reason.

720
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: If it were in Hawaii, maybe I would say, you

721
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: know what, we'll We'll seek it out for a couple

722
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 2: of days. No, did I love India. I'm happy to

723
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 2: combats in India every year. I feel like I don't

724
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 2: want to miss the birth of my first child.

725
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: I think that's a good move. In February, I skipped it.

726
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: I went to the Super Bowl to watch Malcolm Butler

727
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: make that interception. Just a couple of weeks after my

728
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 1: son was born and then skip the Combine that year

729
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: as part of paternity leave. I thought that was a

730
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: good reason not to go to Indianapolis. But I will

731
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: be there. I'm sad I won't see you there either.

732
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: Maybe just move to LA then we can have those dinners,

733
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: like can you do that for me? It's a good

734
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: group out here.

735
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: I would love to move to LA. That is a

736
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 2: that is a off off conversation. We can have the podcast.

737
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: Yes, I love who throughout the last one. I think

738
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 1: it was me with Parsons. So you are up next,

739
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: You're up next?

740
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 2: Who will I throw at next? I have so many

741
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 2: good names to hit a bunch of wide receivers. I

742
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 2: will throw out a guy who tormented micro Parsons in

743
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 2: years past. I'll throw out Deebo Samuel. Where certainly the

744
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 2: Cooper Cup conversation, I think factors in here where you

745
00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 2: have some veteran whiteouts who are certainly available for cap reasons.

746
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 2: I don't think Deebo Samuel will be on the Niners

747
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: one way or another in twenty twenty five. I would

748
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 2: expect he'll be cut if he's not traded, which whoa uh,

749
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 2: look at their roster. They need to find money for

750
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 2: brock Purty. They're going to cut him on hardgrave. Once

751
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 2: they signed Juwan Jennings to a small extension, once they

752
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: drafted Ricky Pearson in the first round, and once they

753
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 2: signed Brandon Ayuk to an enormous extension. Writing was on

754
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 2: the wall, and I think Deebo Samuel coming off of

755
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 2: a disappointing season, a player who's certainly very physical at

756
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: twenty nine now almost in his thirties, there's only so

757
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: many guys you can move for the Niners to make

758
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: the math work for a brock Purty extension, even if

759
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 2: you structure it in a team friendly way, and so

760
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: I would imagine Deebo will not be back, whether it

761
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 2: be via cut or via trade. I expect they'll find

762
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 2: a trade market for him. But that's such a difficult

763
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: player because he's not a plug and play wide receiver.

764
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 2: He's the best yards after catch guy in the league still,

765
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 2: but you have to find a role that.

766
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: Since I will push back on that, I am, I.

767
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: Believe if you go to the NFL's next Gen stats,

768
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 2: which you are familiar with this an NFL employee, you

769
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 2: will find that the best expected yards after catch guy

770
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: year after year is Deebo Samuel. He gets more out

771
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 2: of what is expected than anybody else in the league

772
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 2: by a significant margin. I think he's like two to

773
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 2: one over the second place guy over the last five

774
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,919
Speaker 2: years and might still be number one even this past season. Now.

775
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: He has a litley of injuries in his past, he's

776
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 2: almost thirty, he is expensive, and he is probably going

777
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 2: to want some new money on a deal, and so

778
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: all of that makes is very complicated because you have

779
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 2: to have a team that's really willing to use him

780
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 2: in a role that makes the most sense for him.

781
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 2: You have to be willing to endure the injuries, and

782
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 2: you have to be willing to pay. I think the

783
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: Chargers would make sense in a unique role given that

784
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 2: they do run the ball so much and he is

785
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 2: a physical player, but I think he's not just a

786
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: plug and play guy, and the way that even a

787
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill might be on the field, at least for

788
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 2: NFL teams.

789
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 1: I agree. I think he's a much more attractive option

790
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup. I think there's a lot of similarities that

791
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: they aren't the same physically because of how they've played

792
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: such a physical brand of football. Deebo hasn't had a

793
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: great year since twenty twenty one before he got this

794
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: contract though. I mean, he hasn't broken a thousand yards.

795
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: Just the eye test tells you the juice comes and

796
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: goes a little bit. I think he plays through things

797
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: at times and then he'll look great another day. I

798
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: thought the Canary and the coal mine this year were

799
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: his rushing attempts. He suddenly was averaging three yards per

800
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: attempt and he usually is five to six. You know,

801
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: his first year he was like eleven. And I know

802
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers offensive line in the forty nine

803
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: Ers offense in general is not as good. But just

804
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: the eye test says he's not the same player, and

805
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 1: he's similar to Cup in the same way that he

806
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: will have to decide how he wants to handle the

807
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: contract situation, because on the contract he's currently on, it's

808
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: actually a huge bonus. I would give more for Deebo

809
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: Samuel if he said I'm cool with this. All he's

810
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: doing is like six million and then another million and

811
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: some bonuses. He's doing like seven million dollars this year

812
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: and then his contract's voided. If he was willing to

813
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 1: do to have like a prove it year. You know,

814
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: I'd give up a third round pick for that. But

815
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: if he needed a new, big contract, which is probably

816
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 1: what he'll be looking for, I would say that that

817
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: complicates it. Yeah, he's a good one. I really liked him.

818
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to throw out Max Crosby, who I mentioned earlier.

819
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: He was mentioned alongside Parsons in this up in the

820
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: air and the whole thought was Pete Carroll comes in.

821
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: He was at the press conference. The organization is more stable, Okay,

822
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: Crosby is more likely to be here. But they don't,

823
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: you know, Rapaport and Pellisierra don't mention it on Super

824
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: Bowl Sunday from nothing, and they might look at it

825
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 1: like we're even though we're not rebuilding, they want to

826
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: win with with Pete Carroll that they're interested in, just

827
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: like what what it would cost to get Max Crosby.

828
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: And you do wonder is the fact that he gets

829
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: sit down meetings regularly with the owner like a positive

830
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: or a negative for the new GM and coach like

831
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: it's weird. He has an incredible amount of power, it

832
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: seems for a player, and sometimes that runs its course,

833
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: and his value is sky high still, so if they

834
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: were ever going to trade him now actually would be

835
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 1: the time. I agree, And so Ian throwing that out

836
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: there makes me think they're probably not looking to but

837
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 1: they're seeing like they're seeing if someone was going to

838
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: give us two first for Max Crosby, we'd do it.

839
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: That that type of thing.

840
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 2: Have you been to the Las Vegas Airport anytime recently, Greg.

841
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: Not since the Super Bowl, but I was there, And there.

842
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 2: Is an ad for Max Crosby's like cigar bar with

843
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 2: him smoking a cigar and he smokes a lot of

844
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 2: cigars for an NFL player, And again, nothing wrong with

845
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 2: that if he's obviously a super great athlete, but just

846
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 2: one of those things where you're like, this is really

847
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 2: the best, the best thing for you, you know as a player.

848
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: Well you don't inhale it. I guess they convince themselves

849
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: it's not that bad for you. I don't. I mean,

850
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: it is bad for you maybe, I.

851
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 2: Mean, I think that's just an example of like Max Crosby,

852
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: who I think is a phenomenal football player and someone

853
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 2: who I think is has been one of the three

854
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 2: or four best defensive players in football over the last

855
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: five years. Like he does whatever he wants and because

856
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 2: he's the only one of the few people there who

857
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 2: has had any sign of relationship to winning. Over the

858
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 2: last three or four years, he's carried terrible defenses to

859
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 2: vaguely competent at times. They were tenth in scoring defense

860
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three because of Max Crosby, and so

861
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 2: as a rational thing, it makes total sense to trade

862
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 2: Max Crosby. Like you said, he's at his peak, he

863
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,959
Speaker 2: plays a key position, He's on a very comfortable deal

864
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 2: that would be a huge market for him. The Raiders

865
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 2: would get multiple first round picks in the logic of

866
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 2: he's not going to be a great player for the

867
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: time at the point we are competitive, which is three

868
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 2: or four years from now, that he's not going to

869
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 2: be the Max Crosby we see right now, and he's

870
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 2: you know, three or four years and another contract down

871
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 2: the line when the Raiders might have a shot at

872
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 2: being competent given how much they have to invest in

873
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 2: the draft and knows where around their roster, then yes,

874
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: it would make total sense. It's to trade Max Crosby.

875
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 2: But that relationship with the ownership, that like the fact

876
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 2: that he is the one player where if you go

877
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: to a Raiders game, He's the one guy you see

878
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 2: on jerseys, in the stands, He's the one guy in

879
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 2: the billboards in Las Vegas. That's the reason I think

880
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 2: the Raiders don't trade him rational or not fair.

881
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: I do wonder though, if he wants to be traded,

882
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: and he.

883
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 2: Has said publicly every single time, I do not want

884
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 2: to be traded most privately.

885
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: But he opened the door a little bit this offseason

886
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 1: a little bit, and then Pete Carroll came in. If

887
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: both he was open to a trade, and I think

888
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: the new GM and coach would be open to it,

889
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: then maybe like they could convince Mark Davis. I mean,

890
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,439
Speaker 1: I Ian went as far as to suggest the team

891
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: that he knows a lot of people in Green Bay.

892
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: He knows a lot of players there. I was like, really,

893
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: the fact that like Josh Jacobs and I think it

894
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: was Keishaw Nixon or on the team, is there is

895
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: there more than that? Maybe there's a defensive line coach

896
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: I don't know about. I was like, really, that's that's

897
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: the connection.

898
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: First, the construct me use the Troit Lions.

899
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: That would be good. Detroit needs to get in on

900
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: one of these trades. It won't be Matthew Stafford. It

901
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: won't be Deebo Samuel, but if they would be a

902
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: great team for any of these pass rushers. While we're

903
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: talking pass rushers, I'm just gonna throw out I'm taking

904
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: a turn. I don't care unless you do. You have

905
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: a pass rusher on yours sort of.

906
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 2: If I have a couple, but go go for it.

907
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 2: I want to hear.

908
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: Yours because there's another at this level. And it's amazing

909
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: to me that we might be entering an offseason where

910
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett, Michael Parsons, Max Crosby, and Trey Hendrickson are

911
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: all available at the same time.

912
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, but why do you That's the one I'm most

913
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: skeptical of because it feels like they're trying to compete

914
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 2: and in the most hopeless situation if they do trade

915
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson.

916
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: Because A he asked for it, it was the softest

917
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 1: trade request ever last offseason. Sure, and then b yeah,

918
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: he's gonna be over thirty and they have so many

919
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: people to pay between Jamar Chase and possibly t Higgins.

920
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: And again, his value is quite high after seventeen point

921
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: five sacks, and he deserves and wants a new contract.

922
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: Their GM Duke Tobin was on the record saying he

923
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: has earned a raise in a new contract, and we

924
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: will offer him a raise and a new contract. The

925
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: problem is whether we can agree on what that raise

926
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: in new contract will be. And even that one quote

927
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 1: said to me, like, Okay, maybe maybe he's a little

928
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: open to if they could get a second for Trey Hendrickson.

929
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: They might just they might just do it because it's

930
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: they don't make a lot of trades. But it seems

931
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: kind of bengalsy to me.

932
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 2: It just feels like so just self defeating, like, Okay,

933
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 2: you got a second round pick for your best maybe

934
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 2: really only great defensive player unless I'm forgetting someone on

935
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 2: the Bengals roster, and you're you have a quarterback where

936
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 2: you can win right now with Joe Burrow, and you

937
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: have a wide receiver and Jim R. Chasey went with

938
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 2: right now, You've invested a lot on the offense and

939
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 2: you have hope that you can develop players on defense.

940
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 2: It has not worked so far. I thought Joe Burrow's

941
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: comments recently about how looking at the Eagles saying, hey,

942
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: they pay everybody, Like, well, Joe, you discovered the difference

943
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: between the Eagles ownership and the Bengals ownership and what

944
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 2: they're willing to do to make their players and their

945
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 2: organization happy. And I just it feels like such an

946
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 2: easier thing to do to just pay Trey Hendrickson and

947
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 2: figure out how to save money elsewhere, even if that

948
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 2: means moving on from t Higgins.

949
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: Bengals fans will all point out they have been quite

950
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: high on cash spending the last couple of years. They

951
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: have not spent well, no, that's the problem. It's been

952
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 1: in free some of it's been free agency, some of

953
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: it's been on you know, those tackles Orlando Brown. And

954
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: I actually I read Paul Danner's article about this in

955
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: the in the Athletic, and I don't think it'd be

956
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: that crazy to treat I actually disagree a little bit

957
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: that if as long as they spent the money pretty

958
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 1: well on t Higgins and Chase and a decent return,

959
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: it's not crazy to trade training and more important, Bill,

960
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: what side are you on here, like Bengals fans or

961
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 1: content creators, like we need more of these. Let's push

962
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: these out into the ether. Okay, it's not just like

963
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: BS like coming up with nonsense trades. These actually all

964
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: seem pretty realistic. So far, we have not come up

965
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: with like one that we're just throwing out for fun.

966
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: These are all realistic.

967
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know, we will see I want to

968
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 2: throw out. I have a couple of defensive linemen I

969
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 2: can throw out here. Uh, both of them I think

970
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 2: are not anywhere near a prominent as the players you mentioned,

971
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: but makes sense for me just because of roster construction reasons.

972
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 2: I will throw Jonathan Allen, the Commander's defensive tackle out

973
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 2: there where you have drawn pain and you have Dreshn Newton,

974
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,959
Speaker 2: who has been really impressive as a rookie. Allen final

975
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: year of his deal, now he's thirty. Commanders have deeds

976
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 2: elsewhere at defensive end. For example, could you consider swapping

977
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 2: Jonathan Allen for one of these edge rushers we mentioned

978
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 2: in a trade where you figure, Okayilan's still a very

979
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 2: impactful interior defensive lineman, but probably not. The Commanders don't

980
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 2: need three of those when they have very little on

981
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 2: the outside of Dorian's Armstrong with with Dumpey Fowler being

982
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: a free agent, you have needs on the offensive line.

983
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 2: You have needs a receiver that would make sense to

984
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 2: me as a surplus position for them, and then Jalen

985
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 2: Phillips for the Miami Dolphins, where coming off of another

986
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 2: sadly another injury on his fift their options, so it

987
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 2: would be a one year flyer. Basically, Dolphins might need

988
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 2: to eat some money. But Chop Robinson was a superstar

989
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: when he was in the field second half of last season.

990
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 2: Bradley Chubb's coming back from his injury that cost him

991
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 2: all a twenty twenty four Jalen Phillips his future is

992
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 2: not here. His future somewhere else, probably going to be

993
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 2: at best a situational pass rusher. Dolphins need to save

994
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 2: some money here and there. I think Jalen Films would

995
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 2: make sense for a team that wants to kind of

996
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 2: buy low on a guy who looked really good before

997
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 2: the injuries over the past couple of years.

998
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 1: Those are two really fascinating ones. Dron payin you could

999
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: throw in with Alan like it just could be an

1000
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: either or sure the one of these is intriguing. The

1001
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: Dolphins have a really interesting offseason. I'll just put it

1002
00:47:55,480 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: out there, so Tyreek, the Jalen Phillips decision I think

1003
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: is interesting. I would think they want to like, he

1004
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: looks so good in the when he's been out there,

1005
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: but these are two big injuries. I think they want

1006
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: to keep their guy, but you're right they could. They

1007
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: could look to trade him. Bradley Chubb is probably more

1008
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: of a cap casualty type of guy, but who knows,

1009
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: maybe they would take him. He also Jalen Ramsey like

1010
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: he's usually had expiration dates. I looked at the money

1011
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: though with him and he probably have to be like

1012
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: a that might be like a training camp one. It's

1013
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: a little.

1014
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 2: As well.

1015
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, he could retire like that. There's a lot going

1016
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 1: on there with the Dolphins. I love those two shoutouts,

1017
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: and the commanders have to me are up there in

1018
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: terms of fascinating offseasons because they have so much money,

1019
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: so much opportunity, and an attractive to.

1020
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 2: Me, they're they're the Miles Garrett team. Like if the

1021
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 2: Browns are really trading Miles Garrett, that is the team

1022
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 2: that makes the most sense on so many levels for me.

1023
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: I agree, that's a great one. I'm gonna mention the

1024
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: two tag candidates that could get traded, which are Tea

1025
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 1: in Darnold and Uh. I don't need to go on

1026
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: them on him too long. We talked about him a little.

1027
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 2: Bit on this show about save Donald the great length

1028
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 2: in the past.

1029
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, tag primer, But those those two guys could could

1030
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 1: get tagged and dealt, and so the timing of that

1031
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: is a little open ended. You just have to have

1032
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: the room on your roster to be able to you know,

1033
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: fit them under the cap, and then you can hold

1034
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: onto them throughout the course of the off season, which

1035
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: means you could hold onto them even until Draft Day,

1036
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: which is kind of a soft deadline if you really want,

1037
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: or you could do it early. We haven't seen a

1038
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: ton of this over the years, but we have seen it,

1039
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: including last year with lugerious needs.

1040
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 2: So that another example as well, certainly makes sense to

1041
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 2: me that you would see those guys potential tag and

1042
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 2: trade candidates. Should we talk about Kirk? I feel like

1043
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 2: we talked about so many quarterballs and.

1044
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:48,280
Speaker 1: We forgot about Kirk. Kirk, I like, did not. I looked,

1045
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: I looked at all the teams. I was like, there's

1046
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: no other. Actually, I wrote down Kyle Pitt's way at

1047
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: the end of my list as just like a fanciful one,

1048
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: I think. But you're right, that makes sense because I

1049
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: actually the more I thought about it, he could probably

1050
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: get like a six round pick or something. I don't

1051
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: think it would be much, but it'd be something.

1052
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 2: Well, if you don't believe the Falcons really want to

1053
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 2: have him as a twenty seven and a half million

1054
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 2: dollars back up next year, you would think there'd be

1055
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 2: a market. I certainly the Falcons will have to eat

1056
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 2: a good amount of money. I guess twenty million dollars

1057
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 2: at the bare minimum for Kirk. I think the report

1058
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 2: of his shoulder injury I think was designed to get

1059
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 2: a little bit of that market flowing for him, saying, oh, look,

1060
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 2: he was fine before he heard his shoulder and we

1061
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 2: didn't tell anybody about it and put that on the

1062
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 2: injury report. I think they're gonna eat a little fine

1063
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 2: for that, But I think if they can get some

1064
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 2: more in return for Kirk, I think they would like that.

1065
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 2: I mean, the Browns made total sense to me here

1066
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 2: as a team where Kevin Stefanski work with Kirk cousins

1067
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 2: in Minnesota, they are probably in a weird spot when

1068
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 2: it comes draftan quarterback. If they love a guy, they'll

1069
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 2: probably take one. But with the Shan Watson probably out

1070
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: for most, if not all, a twenty twenty five. This

1071
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 2: could be a let's give Kirk a shot at a

1072
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 2: much reduced salary and see what we get with him

1073
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 2: certainly going to be much more beloved than Watson was here,

1074
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 2: and that could be a you know, if they don't

1075
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 2: want to spend a lot of money at quarterback, if

1076
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,760
Speaker 2: they don't want to make a significant bet right now,

1077
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 2: Kirk makes a lot of sense to me.

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Speaker 1: So he's due twenty seven point five million dollars in

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00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: base salary. It's fully guaranteed.

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00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 2: Guaranteed bag Hall of Famer, Greg It's Kirk Stafford and

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00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 2: Durel Revis. Yeahs, ballot bag Hall of Fame. Shout out to.

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00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: Durel Revis in that twenty fourteen Patriots team. That's how

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00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:36,720
Speaker 1: I'll always remember him. I wonder with Kirk, though, that's

1084
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 1: that's a pretty onerous salary. I know quarterbacks cost more.

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00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 2: You have to pay a good amount of it to

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00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 2: get me stealed.

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00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: Okay, But even then, I don't think you can be

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00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: giving up legitimate draft capital in the year twenty twenty

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00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: five for Kirk Cousins. So it has to be a

1090
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: tiny trade. If there's a trade, it has to be

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00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: a tiny trade. It's more just we'll take them and

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00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: you take some money and we'll give you like some

1093
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: day three pick swapper. Yeah, okay, okay, this is.

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00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 2: Gonna be the Browns giving up a six round pick

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00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 2: for Kirk Coussins and the Falcons et in twenty million.

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00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: So I seem giving giving up capital for for quarterbacks

1097
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: coming off an injury. It just yeah, it's just it's

1098
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:25,479
Speaker 1: just bad. It's all bad.

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00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 2: But you have to do something.

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Speaker 1: No, No, you're right. I've gotten on board that that trade,

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00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: that alignment seems like it's gonna happen. We mentioned the

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00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 1: Browns before I meant to mention. Denz Award actually came

1103
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: out publicly and said he sees himself as a tandem

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00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: with Miles Garrett, which is interesting, like he he wants

1105
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: in on this trade. And he also said if Miles

1106
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:51,760
Speaker 1: Garrett got traded, that would impact my desire in my future.

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00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: So just a name I'm throwing out there. I'm just

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00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: researching this. Yeah.

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00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 2: He also plausible trade candidates this year as well, if

1110
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 2: they keep done some word.

1111
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: In a position that like isn't normally available. The only

1112
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 1: other person at cornerback I could even vaguely think of

1113
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 1: was Jay r Alexander, but him and Joey Moosa went

1114
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: into my category of guys who don't have trade value. Actually,

1115
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: even though they're kind of intriguing, they'll just get cut,

1116
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: I think, and be a good shot to take for

1117
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: some other team. But I don't think they have trade value.

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00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: Do you have any other names you want out there

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00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: before we finish this show?

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00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 2: Oh, I have a couple.

1121
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 1: Okay, give me rapid Fire.

1122
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 2: Okay, Titus Howard, Texan's right tackle who's moved to guard

1123
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 2: two years in a row. Blake Fisher probably staying at

1124
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 2: right tackle, but there's always a market for tackles in

1125
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 2: the NFL. I will give you one. I'll give you

1126
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 2: one very franciful one that I think I have to

1127
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: explain the logic now it makes sense. Joe Toney, Chiefs

1128
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 2: Joe Slash left tackle. Joe Toney, thirty two years old,

1129
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 2: entering the final year of his deal. The Chiefs have

1130
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 2: Trey Smith coming up in free agency. It's going to

1131
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 2: be very tough to resign him in pay Joe Toney

1132
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,760
Speaker 2: a ton of money. But what if you trade Joetuney.

1133
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 2: We're probably not giving him a big extension after this

1134
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 2: year anyway, So trade him a year early, keep Trace

1135
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 2: Smith draft left guard to replaced Joe Touney. Seems to

1136
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 2: be a lot more logical than me than let Tray

1137
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 2: Smith leave, let Joe Toney leave next year and have

1138
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 2: to replace two guards in the years to come.

1139
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 1: Well, you can just trade them to the Raiders. We

1140
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: already know their owner thinks so highly of Joe Tuney.

1141
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 1: He voted him fourth place for Offensive Rookie of the

1142
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: Year Offensive Player of the Year. It's outrageous.

1143
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 2: That's not the most outrageous thing we saw on this voting.

1144
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 1: Greg, Well, okay, just right, you're right. What happened Bobby

1145
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: Wagner got some all pro votes or something that was bad?

1146
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I got down down ballot defensive Player

1147
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 2: of the Year votes if I'm not mistaken.

1148
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: Oh man, that.

1149
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 2: Could be wrong. This is again during the Super Bowl.

1150
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 1: I'm like half joking about Tony by the way, the

1151
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: Raiders would totally trade for Joe Tounyu. I was gonna

1152
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: say maybe the Patriots because he played with Rabel, But no,

1153
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: Tony Toney hasn't been around that long. That actually makes

1154
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: so much sense. I wish I had thought of it.

1155
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: Because I've been trying to figure out how how they

1156
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 1: can keep Trey Smith, and that would be one way

1157
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: that they could do it. Are you done with the

1158
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 1: rapid fires?

1159
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 2: I'm done. Give me your rapid fires to finish up.

1160
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 1: Okay, will Levis just you know, yeah, I'm not gonna

1161
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: get much Minka Fitzpatrick. There was a lot of like

1162
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: strange Minca. I don't think I was reading between the

1163
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: lines between some of the players and some of the

1164
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,879
Speaker 1: reporters that maybe Minca wasn't on the same page with

1165
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: everything that was going on, hasn't been as impactful. That's one.

1166
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: And then DeVante Adams I mentioned on the show before

1167
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: that could happen. I don't think k MECAF will happen,

1168
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: but for whatever reason, fans seemed to think dk MECA

1169
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: would happened. And then here's one that actually is realistic.

1170
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Simmons at this point of his career. He liked

1171
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 1: a tweet by the way that was suggesting Rabill go

1172
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: bring him to New England, and I could see them

1173
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: trading jeff Simmons at this point in his career, whether

1174
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 1: it was to the Patriots or any other team. It

1175
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,399
Speaker 1: just seems like they're rebuilding and they could get something

1176
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:07,240
Speaker 1: for Jeffrey Simmons.

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00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 2: Of okay, we're gonna trade Jeffrey Simmons to a team.

1178
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 2: You know, we're rebuilding. We're not gonna win. Now, let's

1179
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 2: trade him to the Patriots. That's the team that is

1180
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 2: going to be competing with Jeffrey Simmons.

1181
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: You can't argue with the likes. That's reporting. He liked

1182
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: the tweet and then he unliked it. What do we do?

1183
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 1: What do we do before social media likes Greg when

1184
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,280
Speaker 1: he had to report on stuff in two that I didn't,

1185
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: I didn't do any reporting back then. I just did

1186
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: it now.

1187
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 2: Back then, Okay, I mean, Jeffery Simmons is an awesome player.

1188
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 2: I think there should be a lot of teams in

1189
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 2: the market for Jeffrey Simmons if he were to come available.

1190
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 2: I just.

1191
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: The reason why, isn't. One of the things I did

1192
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:45,800
Speaker 1: as I was getting ready was I went and searched

1193
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,439
Speaker 1: the articles of who could be on the block during

1194
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: the trade market, and supposedly they were willing to listen

1195
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: to Jeffrey Simmons in the middle of last season. Now,

1196
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: as the Titans do, they've blown up their front office

1197
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: in between, so it's sometimes hard to know what carries

1198
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: over at the Titans since they changed literally every six months.

1199
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 2: What they're playing is yes, between those two, I feel

1200
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 2: like Fitzpatrick makes sense. It's also been like the veguest

1201
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 2: inklings of TJ. Watts stuff because he's on the final

1202
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,439
Speaker 2: year of his team Steelers. I but you know, again,

1203
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 2: there's there's five other Hall of Fame caliber drushers on

1204
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,959
Speaker 2: the market. You would think TJ. Watt does not make sense.

1205
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 2: But I mean, Herbie looked really good last year, Alex

1206
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 2: high Spid looks great. They have needs elsewhere. Again, I

1207
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 2: don't think it's likely, but I think certainly you could

1208
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 2: see the logic if it were not one of the

1209
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 2: most beloved players in franchise history.

1210
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: I am going to count up how many names we

1211
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: mentioned on this show, and then I'm going to put

1212
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: it in the title of the show, and it's going

1213
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: to be like the twenty seven most intriguing trade candidate.

1214
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: And what we're gonna do, Bill is We're going to

1215
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: keep track, yeah, and see how many actually get traded.

1216
00:57:55,240 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: Because I want this show Yea to be the flag

1217
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: planted in the ground that this is gonna be the

1218
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: off season of trades. There's just the draft is blah,

1219
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: the free agency is bla. You want to improve your

1220
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: team in a more significant, gout see way because your

1221
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: team's not struggling. There's a lot of cap spaces out there.

1222
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: You're gonna do it through trades, and I think where

1223
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a great off season of trades and

1224
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: people are gonna You're gonna thank me, Bill, because people

1225
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: are gonna be coming up to you on the street

1226
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: and saying, remember that twenty seven trade candidates pod you

1227
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: did on NFL Daily, Wow, what foresight?

1228
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 2: How many what's the over under for how many trades

1229
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 2: you think will actually happen of those twenty seven players?

1230
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: Of those? That wasn't the number, by the way, I'm

1231
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: just I was just throwing out a number. I don't

1232
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 1: know what the number was, but if there was twenty seven,

1233
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: three and a half, no way more, I'm gonna go

1234
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: like twelve. I'm gonna go twelve.

1235
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Okay, i will go under twelve. That

1236
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 2: would be my official betting stance. Yeah, about right.

1237
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: You're probably right. Seven or eight might be like a

1238
00:58:59,440 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: better line.

1239
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 2: It would be great. I would love seven or eight.

1240
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,439
Speaker 2: I felt so good when I had DeAndre Hopkins going

1241
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 2: to the Chiefs in October, and like two weeks later

1242
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 2: it happens. Oh Man, I felt that I won't thrown.

1243
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: That in Season one is different. I really do think

1244
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: the situation that is facing the NFL, like the circumstances,

1245
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 1: is really setting up for a big time trade year.

1246
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:20,919
Speaker 1: So we'll see.

1247
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 2: That's my prediction. I agree, I agree, you think you

1248
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 2: did Logic Country. And also, this is the year of

1249
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 2: Howie Rosman. I think people are going to emulate Howie Roseman.

1250
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 2: And nobody is more active on the trade market than

1251
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 2: Howie Roseman.

1252
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: Well, let's add another name. Then Bryce Huff is available.

1253
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: He is not going to be on the egos. I

1254
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: don't think next year. I don't know what a wild

1255
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: turn of events. Twenty plus million, and he was inactive

1256
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: for the Best defense Defensive super Bowl.

1257
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 2: The rest of their offseason was so good that Howie

1258
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 2: Rosman might get a Hall of Fame votes for when

1259
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 2: he did this offseason, and the most expensive player he

1260
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 2: signed was basically in a relevant mess all season.

1261
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: That's why it's tough. It's tough pick up players. It's

1262
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: tough to guess what's gonna happen. It's not tough to

1263
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 1: enjoy this man, Bill Barnwell. Check out the Bill Barnwell

1264
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: So check them out. All his articles on ESPN plus

1265
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: what you Got, seven thousand words on Garrett coming up?

1266
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 2: I do probably tomorrow.

1267
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 1: Check it out. Bill Barnwell, always the best look. When

1268
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: the NFL is taking back the trade corner from the NBA,

1269
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: it is Greg's season.