1 00:00:06,026 --> 00:00:09,506 Speaker 1: NFL explained is a production of the NFL in partnership 2 00:00:09,706 --> 00:00:17,866 Speaker 1: with I Heart Radio. Oh. It is a brand new 3 00:00:17,986 --> 00:00:21,706 Speaker 1: edition of NFL explained Mike m joined as always by 4 00:00:21,706 --> 00:00:24,426 Speaker 1: a super Bowl champion. Ever, I'm ready to go. I 5 00:00:24,506 --> 00:00:27,386 Speaker 1: usually don't like doing this starting off shows pop Quiz? 6 00:00:27,466 --> 00:00:30,066 Speaker 1: Is it okay? Let's do it all right, Let's go 7 00:00:30,186 --> 00:00:35,466 Speaker 1: back into the memory palace six. What happened for m 8 00:00:35,546 --> 00:00:38,506 Speaker 1: rob on that day, memorable day, That was the day 9 00:00:38,586 --> 00:00:41,306 Speaker 1: I got drafted to the San Francisco forty Niners. That 10 00:00:41,946 --> 00:00:44,586 Speaker 1: back in those days, I feel like it was forever ago. 11 00:00:44,626 --> 00:00:47,586 Speaker 1: But back in those days, what happened was the draft. 12 00:00:47,906 --> 00:00:50,266 Speaker 1: You had the first night that was the first three rounds, 13 00:00:50,346 --> 00:00:51,866 Speaker 1: and then you had the second day and that was 14 00:00:51,986 --> 00:00:55,466 Speaker 1: rounds four through seven, and the fourth round started the day. 15 00:00:55,986 --> 00:00:59,306 Speaker 1: And I had a party in State College in Pennsylvania. 16 00:00:59,306 --> 00:01:01,066 Speaker 1: It pends. That's why I went to school at penn State. 17 00:01:01,266 --> 00:01:03,506 Speaker 1: Because I thought I was going in the third round. Mike, 18 00:01:03,706 --> 00:01:06,706 Speaker 1: I really did, man, I had the Pittsburgh Steelers called me. 19 00:01:06,866 --> 00:01:09,106 Speaker 1: They said, hey, we have two picks in the third round. 20 00:01:09,426 --> 00:01:12,626 Speaker 1: We're gonna get you with one of these picks. I waited, 21 00:01:13,306 --> 00:01:17,706 Speaker 1: I bought a car the day before I drove my 22 00:01:17,946 --> 00:01:19,866 Speaker 1: two thousand and At that time, it was it two 23 00:01:19,866 --> 00:01:22,986 Speaker 1: thousand and seven Tahoe Chevy time. And that's when they 24 00:01:23,026 --> 00:01:25,066 Speaker 1: first changed the body. I drove a right off the 25 00:01:25,066 --> 00:01:26,946 Speaker 1: showroom flow. I thought I was doing it. I thought 26 00:01:26,986 --> 00:01:30,586 Speaker 1: I was a big time And third round happened. Pittsburgh 27 00:01:30,586 --> 00:01:33,946 Speaker 1: Steelers picked. They picked the returner, uh Willie read I 28 00:01:33,986 --> 00:01:35,986 Speaker 1: remember the guy they picked out of Florida State who 29 00:01:35,986 --> 00:01:37,706 Speaker 1: we ended up beating in the Orange Bowl just a 30 00:01:37,706 --> 00:01:40,546 Speaker 1: few months earlier. They picked Willie Reid. And then they 31 00:01:40,626 --> 00:01:43,386 Speaker 1: picked the quarterback from Bowling Green, I think in the 32 00:01:43,426 --> 00:01:45,386 Speaker 1: third round in the in the end of the third round, 33 00:01:45,586 --> 00:01:48,186 Speaker 1: and I was crushed. I did not think I was 34 00:01:48,186 --> 00:01:51,786 Speaker 1: gonna get drafted. So did you try to return the top? 35 00:01:51,946 --> 00:01:54,186 Speaker 1: I thought about it, I really did. I I turned 36 00:01:54,186 --> 00:01:56,066 Speaker 1: to my mom and I said, Mom, look, I gotta 37 00:01:56,106 --> 00:01:58,306 Speaker 1: take this truck back, like I don't know if I'm 38 00:01:58,306 --> 00:01:59,706 Speaker 1: gonna get it, if I'm gonna be able to pay 39 00:01:59,746 --> 00:02:02,146 Speaker 1: for it. And I remember my agent called me, Joel Seagull. 40 00:02:02,146 --> 00:02:05,106 Speaker 1: I remember him calling me saying, dude, relax, You're gonna 41 00:02:05,106 --> 00:02:07,226 Speaker 1: be able to pay for your truck. Well, things worked 42 00:02:07,226 --> 00:02:09,226 Speaker 1: out okay for you, and as you made reference too, 43 00:02:09,266 --> 00:02:12,466 Speaker 1: part of that Penn State team, you were actually one 44 00:02:12,506 --> 00:02:15,306 Speaker 1: of six Nily Lions actually taken that day, which actually 45 00:02:15,386 --> 00:02:18,466 Speaker 1: leads us to our topic today here on NFL explained 46 00:02:18,466 --> 00:02:21,506 Speaker 1: which colleges send the most players to the league. You 47 00:02:21,586 --> 00:02:24,186 Speaker 1: got schools like l s U saying that their DBU. 48 00:02:24,226 --> 00:02:26,306 Speaker 1: By the way, we always throw out these phrases because 49 00:02:26,306 --> 00:02:29,866 Speaker 1: I've had you Dove so Washington Pro Day the last 50 00:02:29,866 --> 00:02:32,506 Speaker 1: few years, and I go up there to Seattle and 51 00:02:32,546 --> 00:02:35,346 Speaker 1: I keep saying that they're dB So we're gonna We're 52 00:02:35,346 --> 00:02:37,426 Speaker 1: gonna put all this step and maybe I've been wrong, 53 00:02:37,466 --> 00:02:41,906 Speaker 1: maybe some other fan bases have been wrong. Peters exactly, 54 00:02:41,906 --> 00:02:43,666 Speaker 1: Marcus Peters, who was there when I was covering the 55 00:02:43,706 --> 00:02:46,186 Speaker 1: Pack twelve for a long period of time there. But 56 00:02:46,266 --> 00:02:48,506 Speaker 1: when we're what we're gonna do is do some quick 57 00:02:48,546 --> 00:02:51,266 Speaker 1: dives into the number. See which schools can actually say, 58 00:02:51,266 --> 00:02:54,186 Speaker 1: you know what we are NFL. You obviously some schools 59 00:02:54,186 --> 00:02:57,186 Speaker 1: have better resources than others, But is there anything else 60 00:02:57,186 --> 00:02:59,106 Speaker 1: that you can point to for maybe your time at 61 00:02:59,106 --> 00:03:01,266 Speaker 1: Penn State, m Rob that says, hey, this is the 62 00:03:01,306 --> 00:03:05,106 Speaker 1: reason why school X has more players than other universities 63 00:03:05,146 --> 00:03:07,626 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Well, to me, I think it obviously 64 00:03:07,666 --> 00:03:09,866 Speaker 1: comes down to who you have coaching the team. I mean, 65 00:03:10,186 --> 00:03:13,186 Speaker 1: let's be honest, guys. You know a lot of our 66 00:03:13,546 --> 00:03:16,146 Speaker 1: high school players, a lot of our collegiate players, they're 67 00:03:16,146 --> 00:03:18,546 Speaker 1: playing the game of football in college so that they 68 00:03:18,546 --> 00:03:20,626 Speaker 1: can have an opportunity to play in the National Football 69 00:03:20,706 --> 00:03:23,266 Speaker 1: League and have an opportunity to support their families for 70 00:03:23,346 --> 00:03:25,906 Speaker 1: a very long time. So we we can't be novice 71 00:03:26,026 --> 00:03:28,626 Speaker 1: to to that fact. But I know, for me, a 72 00:03:28,666 --> 00:03:31,586 Speaker 1: big reason why I chose Penn State was one I 73 00:03:31,586 --> 00:03:33,866 Speaker 1: always played the long game. Like I mean, I've always 74 00:03:33,866 --> 00:03:36,266 Speaker 1: played the long game, and so I'm not gonna be 75 00:03:36,266 --> 00:03:38,706 Speaker 1: playing football in my entire life. There will be an 76 00:03:38,706 --> 00:03:42,746 Speaker 1: opportunity or a chance for me to get employment someway 77 00:03:42,826 --> 00:03:46,266 Speaker 1: somehow by dipping into this alumni base. So that's a 78 00:03:46,466 --> 00:03:48,586 Speaker 1: big reason why I went to Penn State number one, 79 00:03:48,906 --> 00:03:51,226 Speaker 1: number two. When I went on to visit there, obviously 80 00:03:51,306 --> 00:03:53,506 Speaker 1: I was in the College of Communications. They had this 81 00:03:53,586 --> 00:03:56,106 Speaker 1: big set up for me, man pray, you know, the 82 00:03:56,266 --> 00:03:58,666 Speaker 1: drum major and all of that type of of set 83 00:03:58,706 --> 00:04:00,626 Speaker 1: up with my jersey and just how you're gonna look 84 00:04:01,106 --> 00:04:02,826 Speaker 1: and I act like I was sick, and I sent 85 00:04:02,906 --> 00:04:04,826 Speaker 1: everybody home and I went back to my hotel and 86 00:04:04,826 --> 00:04:07,866 Speaker 1: then my me and my parents, my brother, we walked 87 00:04:07,866 --> 00:04:11,146 Speaker 1: over by ourselves to the College of Communications and I 88 00:04:11,186 --> 00:04:13,466 Speaker 1: had what sold me on Penn State. And I know 89 00:04:13,586 --> 00:04:15,786 Speaker 1: this has nothing to do with football, and we work 90 00:04:15,826 --> 00:04:18,946 Speaker 1: at a national football and there's a football podcast. But 91 00:04:19,026 --> 00:04:22,666 Speaker 1: what sold me on Penn State was an undergrad, a 92 00:04:22,746 --> 00:04:25,546 Speaker 1: young lady. I can't remember her name right now. She 93 00:04:25,626 --> 00:04:30,226 Speaker 1: was a sophomore. She literally walked me through the entire program, 94 00:04:30,306 --> 00:04:33,106 Speaker 1: the entire building. She walked me through how to use 95 00:04:33,146 --> 00:04:36,386 Speaker 1: Final Cup pro she I mean everything, And I told myself, 96 00:04:36,706 --> 00:04:39,986 Speaker 1: I want to know communications. I want to learn communications 97 00:04:39,986 --> 00:04:42,746 Speaker 1: at a level where I can do that. And quite frankly, 98 00:04:42,866 --> 00:04:45,346 Speaker 1: I remember calling Joe Paterno at the time and saying, 99 00:04:45,706 --> 00:04:48,306 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, old man, you didn't sell me. You didn't 100 00:04:48,466 --> 00:04:50,906 Speaker 1: convince me. This young lady did. And that's why I 101 00:04:50,906 --> 00:04:53,186 Speaker 1: went to Penn State. So when you're in the league, 102 00:04:53,186 --> 00:04:55,226 Speaker 1: and I know for a fact that there's a lot 103 00:04:55,266 --> 00:04:57,626 Speaker 1: of pride that NFL players have and where they went 104 00:04:57,666 --> 00:05:00,706 Speaker 1: to school and the conversations that are happening within games, 105 00:05:00,706 --> 00:05:02,586 Speaker 1: but I don't know, if I've ever heard of a 106 00:05:02,626 --> 00:05:05,106 Speaker 1: player pretending that they were sick on a recruiting DA 107 00:05:05,786 --> 00:05:07,986 Speaker 1: said that they could do their own thing on campus 108 00:05:08,026 --> 00:05:10,666 Speaker 1: and really learned. Have you heard, like your teammates in 109 00:05:10,706 --> 00:05:13,306 Speaker 1: the NFL, anyone else ever tell you a similar story. No, 110 00:05:13,306 --> 00:05:15,386 Speaker 1: nobody has ever told me that. You know, I advised 111 00:05:15,426 --> 00:05:17,346 Speaker 1: a lot of young people coming out of high school, 112 00:05:17,346 --> 00:05:19,546 Speaker 1: and some of these guys are starting to, you know, 113 00:05:19,586 --> 00:05:21,906 Speaker 1: filter into the National Football League. And I always tell 114 00:05:22,226 --> 00:05:24,186 Speaker 1: a lot of these guys, look, this is one of 115 00:05:24,186 --> 00:05:27,106 Speaker 1: the biggest decisions that you're gonna make in your entire life. 116 00:05:27,146 --> 00:05:29,586 Speaker 1: I was never This is before the transfer portals, so 117 00:05:29,866 --> 00:05:32,746 Speaker 1: we didn't have free agency or college free agency as 118 00:05:32,786 --> 00:05:34,386 Speaker 1: I like to say it now. We didn't have that 119 00:05:34,466 --> 00:05:36,666 Speaker 1: back in those days. So I knew that this, this 120 00:05:36,746 --> 00:05:39,026 Speaker 1: decision was gonna affect me for the rest of my life. 121 00:05:39,066 --> 00:05:40,506 Speaker 1: And and and at the end of the day, guys, 122 00:05:41,026 --> 00:05:43,346 Speaker 1: I'm proud that my school, Penn State. I'm proud of 123 00:05:43,386 --> 00:05:45,906 Speaker 1: my school because we've had three hundred and seventy five 124 00:05:45,946 --> 00:05:49,626 Speaker 1: players drafted all time, and our seventh most of any school. 125 00:05:49,666 --> 00:05:52,106 Speaker 1: So I have a lot of pride about Penn State. Well, 126 00:05:52,146 --> 00:05:55,746 Speaker 1: Emrod how about the Irish Yere Notre Dame. They actually 127 00:05:55,786 --> 00:05:58,666 Speaker 1: lead the way with five hundred and twenty two picks. Overall. 128 00:05:58,826 --> 00:06:00,626 Speaker 1: Part of me feels like that's because they were good 129 00:06:00,826 --> 00:06:06,666 Speaker 1: really before face masks, right, like a million nears dinosaurs 130 00:06:06,666 --> 00:06:09,946 Speaker 1: were out there and you got noted Dame helmets and logos, 131 00:06:10,226 --> 00:06:12,506 Speaker 1: you know, fighting off like pterodactyls and the whole thing. 132 00:06:12,946 --> 00:06:14,626 Speaker 1: Number two, by the way, is actually one of their 133 00:06:14,706 --> 00:06:16,946 Speaker 1: rivals in USC, so I know, writting a lot right now, 134 00:06:16,946 --> 00:06:18,866 Speaker 1: is smiling somewhere. And William mc ginnis, who are gonna 135 00:06:18,866 --> 00:06:22,386 Speaker 1: be working with the total you know, throwing up yes, 136 00:06:23,146 --> 00:06:25,106 Speaker 1: which is still weird to say. In speaking of the 137 00:06:25,106 --> 00:06:27,546 Speaker 1: Big ten, I'll throw Ohio State into them. Makes they 138 00:06:27,546 --> 00:06:30,786 Speaker 1: actually sit at number three all time. The Buckeyes do. 139 00:06:30,946 --> 00:06:33,386 Speaker 1: They can flex a little bit. The most first rounders 140 00:06:33,666 --> 00:06:36,106 Speaker 1: with eighty seven, which is obviously a huge total. But 141 00:06:36,186 --> 00:06:38,706 Speaker 1: let's like a look at the construction of current NFL 142 00:06:38,826 --> 00:06:42,586 Speaker 1: rosters as of July this year. It's no surprise Alabama's 143 00:06:42,586 --> 00:06:46,546 Speaker 1: got the most rostered players with seventy three. That's just 144 00:06:46,666 --> 00:06:50,106 Speaker 1: over two Obama players per squad. They're followed by another 145 00:06:50,226 --> 00:06:52,346 Speaker 1: SEC rival. You're right, it is crazy l s U 146 00:06:52,426 --> 00:06:55,546 Speaker 1: with sixty nine. Ohio State, Georgia, Michigan round out the 147 00:06:55,586 --> 00:06:58,746 Speaker 1: top five this year Bulldogs. I mean, it felt like 148 00:06:58,946 --> 00:07:00,626 Speaker 1: I was covering the draft on NFL dot Com. It 149 00:07:00,706 --> 00:07:03,666 Speaker 1: felt like every other pick was one of Kirby Smarts guys. 150 00:07:03,706 --> 00:07:05,986 Speaker 1: But they set a record in the seven rounds AFT 151 00:07:06,026 --> 00:07:09,626 Speaker 1: Model fifteen players taken. But I think we should focus 152 00:07:09,626 --> 00:07:12,746 Speaker 1: in on quarterbacks like we usually do on NFL rosters 153 00:07:12,786 --> 00:07:14,586 Speaker 1: because this one is a little bit of a surprise 154 00:07:14,626 --> 00:07:17,626 Speaker 1: to me. Cal actually has the most quarterbacks on a roster. 155 00:07:17,746 --> 00:07:20,626 Speaker 1: So there's something in the water in Berkeley, right. Aaron Rodgers, 156 00:07:20,746 --> 00:07:25,066 Speaker 1: Jared Goff certainly comes to mind. Davis Webb chased yeah, yeah, 157 00:07:25,106 --> 00:07:27,346 Speaker 1: man getting a little burned with it with the Giants, 158 00:07:27,346 --> 00:07:30,106 Speaker 1: and then Garbage now in Vegas but tied for number two. 159 00:07:30,306 --> 00:07:33,266 Speaker 1: Explain this one to me. North Dakota State, the Bison 160 00:07:33,626 --> 00:07:37,866 Speaker 1: really three du It's exactly Trey Lance Carson Wentz Eastern Stick. 161 00:07:37,946 --> 00:07:40,946 Speaker 1: That's the one that I didn't really know about. Explain 162 00:07:40,986 --> 00:07:44,226 Speaker 1: to me how a school like that has three quarterbacks 163 00:07:44,266 --> 00:07:46,706 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Well, I think, especially when you look 164 00:07:46,746 --> 00:07:49,466 Speaker 1: at North Dakota State, it has to be the construction 165 00:07:49,746 --> 00:07:52,586 Speaker 1: of their offense. Right, they have a very very QB 166 00:07:53,386 --> 00:07:56,906 Speaker 1: friendly style of an offense, an offense that's a matchup base, 167 00:07:57,226 --> 00:08:00,146 Speaker 1: an offense that spreads you wide open and allows the 168 00:08:00,266 --> 00:08:02,626 Speaker 1: quarterback to have a lot of different tools to use 169 00:08:02,666 --> 00:08:05,586 Speaker 1: at his disposal to beat any defense. And I think 170 00:08:05,786 --> 00:08:08,506 Speaker 1: started with Carson Wentz. Carson Wentz, I think opened up 171 00:08:08,506 --> 00:08:11,226 Speaker 1: a lot of people's eyes to what's going down out 172 00:08:11,226 --> 00:08:14,066 Speaker 1: there in North Dakota. But our listeners have to understand 173 00:08:14,466 --> 00:08:17,146 Speaker 1: the style of offense makes a difference. When I was 174 00:08:17,146 --> 00:08:20,346 Speaker 1: getting recruited to Penn State, one of the biggest knocks 175 00:08:20,386 --> 00:08:23,066 Speaker 1: on Penn State that a lot of opposing school said 176 00:08:23,266 --> 00:08:25,346 Speaker 1: was they don't have a pro style offense. And I 177 00:08:25,386 --> 00:08:26,986 Speaker 1: didn't say it out loud, Mike, but I kept on 178 00:08:27,066 --> 00:08:29,386 Speaker 1: asking about, saying to myself, what the hell does that mean? 179 00:08:29,986 --> 00:08:32,626 Speaker 1: What does that mean that? What is having a pro 180 00:08:32,706 --> 00:08:35,266 Speaker 1: style offense? We're still just throwing the ball and catching 181 00:08:35,266 --> 00:08:37,466 Speaker 1: the ball, running the ball, trying to score a touchdown. 182 00:08:37,466 --> 00:08:40,506 Speaker 1: Like I didn't quite get it. And then I got 183 00:08:40,546 --> 00:08:42,266 Speaker 1: the Penn State And this is no knock on on 184 00:08:42,306 --> 00:08:44,586 Speaker 1: my school or anything on the coaching there at the time. 185 00:08:44,666 --> 00:08:46,186 Speaker 1: It was just it just was what it was. So 186 00:08:46,266 --> 00:08:48,546 Speaker 1: I got I'll give you an example of a play 187 00:08:48,586 --> 00:08:53,306 Speaker 1: when I was at Penn State, UM Rocky Pistol hot 188 00:08:53,346 --> 00:08:56,146 Speaker 1: red ninety one. Okay, I'm having a flashback to once 189 00:08:56,186 --> 00:09:00,026 Speaker 1: again my Netflix password from my cousin and our play 190 00:09:00,066 --> 00:09:04,426 Speaker 1: offensive play Calling episode. So tell me about very different 191 00:09:04,506 --> 00:09:06,186 Speaker 1: Rocky than the one I'm thinking of. It was again, 192 00:09:06,226 --> 00:09:08,666 Speaker 1: it was just basically, you know, the formation and in 193 00:09:08,866 --> 00:09:14,146 Speaker 1: ninety one was the protection, but it was also the route, quick, 194 00:09:14,186 --> 00:09:17,626 Speaker 1: easy right. They were trying to make it as simplified 195 00:09:17,706 --> 00:09:21,306 Speaker 1: as possible for the collegiate athlete. Same play in the 196 00:09:21,386 --> 00:09:25,146 Speaker 1: National Football League is double wing right, quick case right 197 00:09:25,266 --> 00:09:28,586 Speaker 1: to twelve a flat. I mean, it's telling every single 198 00:09:28,706 --> 00:09:31,666 Speaker 1: person what to do, right. And so guys that go 199 00:09:31,706 --> 00:09:34,386 Speaker 1: to Alabama, people that go to North Dakota State, these 200 00:09:34,466 --> 00:09:37,346 Speaker 1: quarterbacks are for four and five years actively saying the 201 00:09:37,466 --> 00:09:40,226 Speaker 1: vernacular that most of the National Football League is using. 202 00:09:40,266 --> 00:09:42,586 Speaker 1: So to me, that's what gets the guys ready. And 203 00:09:42,626 --> 00:09:44,826 Speaker 1: that's why you can go down to North Dakota State, 204 00:09:45,106 --> 00:09:46,946 Speaker 1: you can go to Kyle and say, man, it's something 205 00:09:46,986 --> 00:09:49,226 Speaker 1: in the water, because these quarterbacks come out a lot 206 00:09:49,266 --> 00:09:51,746 Speaker 1: more ready than other quarterbacks. It's funny because at the 207 00:09:51,786 --> 00:09:54,266 Speaker 1: top of the show you made reference to coaches, and 208 00:09:54,306 --> 00:09:57,226 Speaker 1: Justin Wilcons is now the head coach at Cal defensive 209 00:09:57,346 --> 00:10:00,306 Speaker 1: minded guy. But yet Chase Garber's was his quarterback that 210 00:10:00,346 --> 00:10:02,626 Speaker 1: now finds his way to the NFL. And yes, there's 211 00:10:02,626 --> 00:10:04,146 Speaker 1: been a little bit of a revolving door in terms 212 00:10:04,186 --> 00:10:06,146 Speaker 1: of offensive coordinators. But they did bring and a guy 213 00:10:06,346 --> 00:10:09,306 Speaker 1: in Bill Musgrave who is their o C NFL experience, 214 00:10:09,346 --> 00:10:11,186 Speaker 1: and I think it speaks to what you're talking about 215 00:10:11,386 --> 00:10:14,306 Speaker 1: with the verbage that some of these players are are 216 00:10:14,346 --> 00:10:18,186 Speaker 1: practicing on a regular basis. I also mentioned Alabama most 217 00:10:18,266 --> 00:10:21,106 Speaker 1: rostered players in the NFL. They also have a ton 218 00:10:21,306 --> 00:10:25,546 Speaker 1: of resources that always helps. Um. They are cornerbacks coaches 219 00:10:25,706 --> 00:10:28,226 Speaker 1: and safety coaches making at least eight hundred k year 220 00:10:28,706 --> 00:10:32,786 Speaker 1: sign me up director football recruiting, by the way, which 221 00:10:32,826 --> 00:10:35,746 Speaker 1: is probably more my skill set making a D sixty 222 00:10:35,786 --> 00:10:38,466 Speaker 1: five k dude coach. Can we get this dude to 223 00:10:38,546 --> 00:10:42,426 Speaker 1: raise please? Tied currently the most running backs and dbs 224 00:10:42,546 --> 00:10:45,466 Speaker 1: in the NFL, tied for the second most wide outs 225 00:10:45,506 --> 00:10:48,906 Speaker 1: and d lineman, and they have the fourth most linebackers. 226 00:10:49,026 --> 00:10:52,306 Speaker 1: They are a football factory. They're also a national championship 227 00:10:52,346 --> 00:10:56,026 Speaker 1: winning factory. Obama actually has the most first round draft 228 00:10:56,026 --> 00:10:58,626 Speaker 1: picks in the league by a margin of to fifteen 229 00:10:59,106 --> 00:11:01,866 Speaker 1: over Ohio State with the buck Eyes. No question, no 230 00:11:01,946 --> 00:11:04,506 Speaker 1: slatches when it comes to the wide receiver spot in 231 00:11:04,546 --> 00:11:07,266 Speaker 1: the league's second most line backers and D lineman. L 232 00:11:07,426 --> 00:11:10,666 Speaker 1: s U may not exactly have the most dbs in league, 233 00:11:10,706 --> 00:11:14,186 Speaker 1: trailing Alabama seventeen to fourteen, but they are tied for 234 00:11:14,226 --> 00:11:17,466 Speaker 1: the second most wideouts and tied for the number one 235 00:11:17,706 --> 00:11:20,066 Speaker 1: D lineman. So I know there's a lot there, and 236 00:11:20,146 --> 00:11:22,506 Speaker 1: you made reference to it. Your your old squad, Penn 237 00:11:22,546 --> 00:11:25,546 Speaker 1: State ninth most players on a roster. But there's a 238 00:11:25,586 --> 00:11:27,466 Speaker 1: lot of love for Nick Saban's crew. Yeah, it's a 239 00:11:27,506 --> 00:11:30,266 Speaker 1: lot of love for Nick Saban's crew. And not only 240 00:11:30,706 --> 00:11:34,146 Speaker 1: does the talent in college football kind of follow Nick 241 00:11:34,186 --> 00:11:38,306 Speaker 1: Saban and kind of is funnel to Alabama. Look at coaching, alright, 242 00:11:38,426 --> 00:11:41,386 Speaker 1: look at some of the x NFL coaches. Whether you 243 00:11:41,466 --> 00:11:44,026 Speaker 1: talk about Bill O'Brien he was a coach at Penn State, 244 00:11:44,106 --> 00:11:49,146 Speaker 1: whether you talk about Kiffen was there tea with the thousand, 245 00:11:49,506 --> 00:11:52,306 Speaker 1: All of these guys kind of going to hiding or 246 00:11:52,506 --> 00:11:54,986 Speaker 1: so to speak, down there in Alabama. And to me, 247 00:11:55,426 --> 00:11:58,706 Speaker 1: that's what sets down Alabama part the coaching. I mean, 248 00:11:58,946 --> 00:12:01,786 Speaker 1: if your position coach to have some of the experiences 249 00:12:01,786 --> 00:12:04,106 Speaker 1: some of those coaches have down in Alabama, it's a 250 00:12:04,146 --> 00:12:07,906 Speaker 1: recruiting tool. And I've been saying this for a while now. 251 00:12:08,106 --> 00:12:11,586 Speaker 1: With the n i L now being prevalent in collegiate sports, 252 00:12:11,666 --> 00:12:14,746 Speaker 1: with guys being able to make real salaries and be 253 00:12:14,786 --> 00:12:18,106 Speaker 1: able to make real money, I no longer think that 254 00:12:18,426 --> 00:12:21,186 Speaker 1: recruits go to college to win a national title anymore. 255 00:12:21,186 --> 00:12:23,946 Speaker 1: See when I was in school, that was big to me. 256 00:12:24,226 --> 00:12:26,906 Speaker 1: Do we have an opportunity to win a national championship? 257 00:12:27,106 --> 00:12:29,146 Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case anymore. I think now 258 00:12:29,666 --> 00:12:32,706 Speaker 1: kids are picking and choosing a school based off first 259 00:12:32,706 --> 00:12:37,426 Speaker 1: and foremost, how can this financially help my situation at home? 260 00:12:37,626 --> 00:12:42,466 Speaker 1: Number one? Number two, how can this training help me 261 00:12:42,626 --> 00:12:45,346 Speaker 1: to be ready to build my resume for the National 262 00:12:45,386 --> 00:12:50,386 Speaker 1: Football League? And that's I think winning a championship comes 263 00:12:50,426 --> 00:12:53,386 Speaker 1: a little bit later in the recruits thinking and development. 264 00:12:53,426 --> 00:12:56,266 Speaker 1: And so when you look at the team like Alabama, 265 00:12:56,346 --> 00:12:58,666 Speaker 1: that's why they get all the bigger recruits, that's why 266 00:12:58,666 --> 00:13:00,266 Speaker 1: they get the best players, they get all the five 267 00:13:00,306 --> 00:13:03,186 Speaker 1: star recruits or how State. I know Larry Johnson senior, 268 00:13:03,226 --> 00:13:04,826 Speaker 1: he used to be at Penn State. He's the big, 269 00:13:04,866 --> 00:13:07,866 Speaker 1: big time d Lina there. The reason why they dominate 270 00:13:07,906 --> 00:13:10,066 Speaker 1: and recruiting is because of the great coaching that both 271 00:13:10,106 --> 00:13:12,346 Speaker 1: of those schools have. You bring up an interesting point 272 00:13:12,426 --> 00:13:15,826 Speaker 1: on N I L. I'm wondering now if college football 273 00:13:15,866 --> 00:13:18,106 Speaker 1: the talent disperses a little bit, not only because of 274 00:13:18,226 --> 00:13:20,426 Speaker 1: N I L, but knocking on the door of an 275 00:13:20,426 --> 00:13:23,586 Speaker 1: expanded playoffs, all of a sudden, some more more people 276 00:13:23,586 --> 00:13:25,426 Speaker 1: get to sit at that table and go and eat. 277 00:13:25,466 --> 00:13:27,746 Speaker 1: And I'm just wondering, like, does that hurt teams like 278 00:13:27,746 --> 00:13:30,786 Speaker 1: Ohio State in Alabama? Well, I think it should. In theory, 279 00:13:30,826 --> 00:13:34,946 Speaker 1: it should hurt those teams, But um, I think and 280 00:13:35,026 --> 00:13:36,746 Speaker 1: I may get in trouble for saying this, but you 281 00:13:36,786 --> 00:13:38,906 Speaker 1: know we're on the podcast. It doesn't matter. I don't. 282 00:13:39,266 --> 00:13:41,626 Speaker 1: I think the big reason why Nick Saban was upset 283 00:13:41,666 --> 00:13:44,346 Speaker 1: early on when he made those comments about you know, 284 00:13:44,386 --> 00:13:48,466 Speaker 1: other schools paying players and and things like that, because 285 00:13:48,586 --> 00:13:51,586 Speaker 1: when there's rules set in place, that's the fence right 286 00:13:51,626 --> 00:13:54,866 Speaker 1: that you can operate in. And when schools and people 287 00:13:55,146 --> 00:13:58,026 Speaker 1: that know that that's the fence that you can operate in. 288 00:13:58,146 --> 00:14:00,906 Speaker 1: You also know what's the out of bounds, what are 289 00:14:00,946 --> 00:14:03,786 Speaker 1: the things you can do to give you an advantage. 290 00:14:04,106 --> 00:14:06,946 Speaker 1: And with n IL is doing now, with schools and 291 00:14:07,506 --> 00:14:10,186 Speaker 1: companies being able to pay real money to these kids, 292 00:14:10,266 --> 00:14:13,106 Speaker 1: is there's no longer that fence around the field anymore. 293 00:14:13,626 --> 00:14:15,706 Speaker 1: You know, there's no longer that out of bounds. And 294 00:14:15,746 --> 00:14:17,546 Speaker 1: I think that's why you have so many of those 295 00:14:17,546 --> 00:14:21,346 Speaker 1: big time coaches complaining player development, whether you're getting players 296 00:14:21,346 --> 00:14:23,586 Speaker 1: from n I L or just feuding with other programs. 297 00:14:23,626 --> 00:14:25,906 Speaker 1: And Nick Savan and Jimbo Fisher probably not on each 298 00:14:25,906 --> 00:14:29,626 Speaker 1: other's Christmas cards list, I would imagine. Just because you 299 00:14:29,706 --> 00:14:32,426 Speaker 1: go when you play for a particular school does not 300 00:14:32,626 --> 00:14:37,306 Speaker 1: guarantee success at the next level. In fact, Alabama hasn't 301 00:14:37,426 --> 00:14:41,106 Speaker 1: exactly done great at quarterbacks. People are gonna be at me. 302 00:14:41,146 --> 00:14:43,346 Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, like the numbers speak for themselves. 303 00:14:43,346 --> 00:14:45,466 Speaker 1: In fact, a few of the top colleges have really 304 00:14:45,506 --> 00:14:48,466 Speaker 1: struggled at the position. In Alabama, not the team that 305 00:14:48,506 --> 00:14:51,586 Speaker 1: I'm referencing here, there's one squad that hasn't had a 306 00:14:51,666 --> 00:14:54,186 Speaker 1: quarterback win a game in the NFL in its last 307 00:14:54,266 --> 00:14:59,146 Speaker 1: twenty four tries. Really Yeah, really, that's right. Oh in 308 00:14:59,306 --> 00:15:02,546 Speaker 1: twenty four find out who that is? Cot up backs 309 00:15:02,786 --> 00:15:13,546 Speaker 1: NFL explained. Welcome back to NFL, explained my cam m 310 00:15:13,626 --> 00:15:15,866 Speaker 1: rob with us all right, before the break, we said 311 00:15:15,866 --> 00:15:19,066 Speaker 1: that there was one university at hadn't had a quarterback 312 00:15:19,106 --> 00:15:21,266 Speaker 1: get a win in the NFL and its last twenty 313 00:15:21,346 --> 00:15:23,546 Speaker 1: four tries. You had a couple of moments to to 314 00:15:23,666 --> 00:15:28,106 Speaker 1: rack your brain. You got a guess for me, um, 315 00:15:28,146 --> 00:15:30,866 Speaker 1: why why? Don't know? Why do the Tennessee volunteers keep 316 00:15:30,866 --> 00:15:32,666 Speaker 1: popping up in my head? I don't know why. I 317 00:15:32,706 --> 00:15:34,786 Speaker 1: know that's probably not the answer, but I'm gonna go 318 00:15:34,786 --> 00:15:37,266 Speaker 1: with Tennis. Okay, I know why because they haven't won 319 00:15:37,266 --> 00:15:39,506 Speaker 1: a whole lot of football games at the college level 320 00:15:39,546 --> 00:15:42,306 Speaker 1: for a significant period of time. Not an awful guest, 321 00:15:42,666 --> 00:15:45,226 Speaker 1: Tennessee fast man. I am not making friends in the SEC. 322 00:15:45,466 --> 00:15:48,626 Speaker 1: I know that. Notre Dame. How about the Irish? Here? 323 00:15:48,706 --> 00:15:52,266 Speaker 1: All right? Brady Quinn, Jimmy Clastum, Shawn kaiser Ian book. 324 00:15:52,626 --> 00:15:57,106 Speaker 1: You almost feel bad saying that, just because sometimes it's situationals, right, 325 00:15:57,186 --> 00:16:00,906 Speaker 1: Notre Dame quarterbacks. Those wins combined at sixteen and sixty 326 00:16:00,906 --> 00:16:04,066 Speaker 1: four since two thousand. Wow, that even hurts me saying 327 00:16:04,106 --> 00:16:06,626 Speaker 1: that not to be outdone. You've got schools like a 328 00:16:06,706 --> 00:16:09,626 Speaker 1: high state in Alabama, they've also had some struggles. Buck 329 00:16:09,666 --> 00:16:14,186 Speaker 1: Eys quarterback seventeen and thirty four since two thousand tied, 330 00:16:15,786 --> 00:16:18,186 Speaker 1: so just three games under five hundred. So m robs. 331 00:16:18,426 --> 00:16:22,466 Speaker 1: What is it about the larger schools that doesn't always 332 00:16:22,466 --> 00:16:25,906 Speaker 1: equal quarterback success? Man, it's crazy hearing that list of 333 00:16:25,906 --> 00:16:30,626 Speaker 1: Notre Dame quarterbacks. Brady Quinn, we both were Haisman finalists 334 00:16:30,626 --> 00:16:33,866 Speaker 1: and two thousand five we both scored six touchdowns on 335 00:16:33,906 --> 00:16:36,106 Speaker 1: the same day. I mean, it's crazy. It was an 336 00:16:36,186 --> 00:16:39,186 Speaker 1: n C double A record. It was crazy. Um, I 337 00:16:39,306 --> 00:16:43,146 Speaker 1: digress a little bit. I'm like, I'd be puffing checked 338 00:16:43,146 --> 00:16:46,026 Speaker 1: out if I could say something like that. But you know, 339 00:16:46,306 --> 00:16:49,506 Speaker 1: it's a double as sword when you talk about quarterbacks 340 00:16:49,546 --> 00:16:53,386 Speaker 1: at these bigger schools, because on the one end, yes, 341 00:16:53,706 --> 00:16:56,386 Speaker 1: you're playing against the best of the best talent, so 342 00:16:56,666 --> 00:17:00,106 Speaker 1: you're able to show an NFL scout like, look what 343 00:17:00,266 --> 00:17:02,906 Speaker 1: I can do versus the Alabamas, Look what I can 344 00:17:02,946 --> 00:17:06,626 Speaker 1: do versus the l s Us. But on the other 345 00:17:06,786 --> 00:17:10,946 Speaker 1: side of that sword is you also play with a 346 00:17:11,026 --> 00:17:13,946 Speaker 1: lot of talent. On your side of the football as well, 347 00:17:13,986 --> 00:17:16,226 Speaker 1: with all the five star recruits that these schools get, 348 00:17:16,266 --> 00:17:19,346 Speaker 1: the four star recruits and so oftentimes a lot of 349 00:17:19,346 --> 00:17:21,866 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks and some of these bigger schools, the wide 350 00:17:21,866 --> 00:17:24,986 Speaker 1: receivers are running wide open. They have dominant defenses, they 351 00:17:25,026 --> 00:17:28,106 Speaker 1: have offensive lines that out of five blockers in front 352 00:17:28,106 --> 00:17:31,586 Speaker 1: of them, three four of them are first rounders. So 353 00:17:31,866 --> 00:17:33,986 Speaker 1: when you're playing with that much talent, to me, it's 354 00:17:34,026 --> 00:17:37,186 Speaker 1: hard to truly evaluate the quarterback position when you have 355 00:17:37,266 --> 00:17:39,906 Speaker 1: so many ferraris around you. That's why I think you 356 00:17:39,946 --> 00:17:42,026 Speaker 1: get a school like a North Dakota State, or you 357 00:17:42,066 --> 00:17:44,466 Speaker 1: get you know, some of the smaller, big, big, you know, 358 00:17:44,506 --> 00:17:47,666 Speaker 1: big time schools still but just smaller. You get those 359 00:17:47,786 --> 00:17:50,626 Speaker 1: quarterbacks sticking out a little bit more because they do 360 00:17:50,826 --> 00:17:53,706 Speaker 1: more with less. To me, they're the reason why their 361 00:17:53,746 --> 00:17:56,066 Speaker 1: team is so good, and so I think that's why 362 00:17:56,066 --> 00:17:58,426 Speaker 1: they stick out amongst the rest. Okay, so this is 363 00:17:58,586 --> 00:18:01,586 Speaker 1: probably a little old school, right. Bill Parcels had a 364 00:18:01,666 --> 00:18:04,146 Speaker 1: rule when it came to drafting quarterbacks had to be 365 00:18:04,826 --> 00:18:07,386 Speaker 1: how to have thirty star arts, at least twenty three 366 00:18:07,386 --> 00:18:11,146 Speaker 1: wins and a college degree. Now things have changed dramatically 367 00:18:11,186 --> 00:18:12,906 Speaker 1: in the college game. We're talking about freshman. If you 368 00:18:12,906 --> 00:18:14,746 Speaker 1: don't start when you get to a campus, you're like, 369 00:18:14,786 --> 00:18:16,706 Speaker 1: oh my god, I gotta go into the portal and 370 00:18:16,746 --> 00:18:18,666 Speaker 1: do the whole deal. So things have changed a little bit. 371 00:18:18,706 --> 00:18:21,306 Speaker 1: But is there something that you would point to in 372 00:18:21,386 --> 00:18:24,186 Speaker 1: that philosophy that does make sense where if you were 373 00:18:24,186 --> 00:18:27,106 Speaker 1: a GM you would point to a couple of those categories. Yeah. 374 00:18:27,146 --> 00:18:30,466 Speaker 1: For me, first and foremost, you have to pass the 375 00:18:30,586 --> 00:18:34,546 Speaker 1: common sense I tests, like I have to be able 376 00:18:34,586 --> 00:18:38,466 Speaker 1: to look on tape and clearly you're the best player 377 00:18:38,586 --> 00:18:42,106 Speaker 1: on the football field. Clearly you have all the movement skills. 378 00:18:42,146 --> 00:18:45,146 Speaker 1: And then obviously accuracy. I mean the number one job 379 00:18:45,146 --> 00:18:47,626 Speaker 1: of the quarterback is to throw the ball accurately to 380 00:18:48,146 --> 00:18:50,186 Speaker 1: the ball carriers, to throw the ball accurately to the 381 00:18:50,186 --> 00:18:52,826 Speaker 1: playmakers and let those guys go do work. But for me, 382 00:18:52,946 --> 00:18:56,426 Speaker 1: also it's the leadership skills. It's the soft skills, It's 383 00:18:56,546 --> 00:18:59,706 Speaker 1: how do you command to huddle, It's your communication skills. Right, 384 00:19:00,146 --> 00:19:01,826 Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, I would in 385 00:19:01,866 --> 00:19:04,146 Speaker 1: a perfect world, I would like you to have two 386 00:19:04,226 --> 00:19:07,306 Speaker 1: years of experience. Big knock on me as to why 387 00:19:07,346 --> 00:19:09,546 Speaker 1: I didn't get an opportunity to play quarterback, will get 388 00:19:09,546 --> 00:19:12,866 Speaker 1: an opportunity to try to play quarterback in the National 389 00:19:12,906 --> 00:19:15,466 Speaker 1: Football League was in. A general manager told me this. 390 00:19:15,666 --> 00:19:18,186 Speaker 1: The other quarterbacks in this draft, which was Matt Liner 391 00:19:18,346 --> 00:19:21,426 Speaker 1: J Cutler, guys like that, Mike, they have about ten 392 00:19:21,506 --> 00:19:24,466 Speaker 1: thousand more game reps than you do at the position, 393 00:19:24,706 --> 00:19:27,186 Speaker 1: and that was important for it does make sense. And 394 00:19:27,186 --> 00:19:28,906 Speaker 1: while you were talking, I was looking up trying to 395 00:19:28,946 --> 00:19:31,626 Speaker 1: find my notes from the year Trey Lance was drafted. 396 00:19:31,706 --> 00:19:34,346 Speaker 1: One of my good buddies, Evan Moore's tight end in 397 00:19:34,386 --> 00:19:36,666 Speaker 1: the NFL, played at Stanford. We had worked together for 398 00:19:36,746 --> 00:19:38,466 Speaker 1: years and he used to say, Hey, if you go 399 00:19:38,586 --> 00:19:40,266 Speaker 1: through and I don't have the exact numbers, but the 400 00:19:40,346 --> 00:19:47,826 Speaker 1: last like that was my guy. Man, I've heard a 401 00:19:47,826 --> 00:19:50,466 Speaker 1: couple of those stories. That's for another edition of the 402 00:19:50,466 --> 00:19:54,066 Speaker 1: podcast that's not called NFL Explained. Um, that's like NFL 403 00:19:54,226 --> 00:19:57,066 Speaker 1: after Dark it is. It's probably for that show. But 404 00:19:57,186 --> 00:19:58,986 Speaker 1: he he'd always said this, and I don't have the 405 00:19:58,986 --> 00:20:01,026 Speaker 1: exact numbers, but it was like, Hey, the last fifteen 406 00:20:01,066 --> 00:20:04,226 Speaker 1: Super Bowl winning quarterbacks had that two year or so 407 00:20:04,426 --> 00:20:07,626 Speaker 1: threshold of some of those starts, and that's what sometimes 408 00:20:07,706 --> 00:20:10,866 Speaker 1: that conversation about Trey Lands made things really interesting at 409 00:20:10,946 --> 00:20:13,346 Speaker 1: number three deciding to go up and draft him because 410 00:20:13,386 --> 00:20:15,306 Speaker 1: of the lack of experience, which by the way, is 411 00:20:15,306 --> 00:20:17,666 Speaker 1: going to be on full display this entire season. We'll 412 00:20:17,706 --> 00:20:20,586 Speaker 1: find out what Trey has from a Niners perspective, but 413 00:20:20,626 --> 00:20:23,826 Speaker 1: we have established that quarterbacks that have the most accolades 414 00:20:23,866 --> 00:20:27,826 Speaker 1: don't always thrive in the NFL. Got another quick quarterback 415 00:20:27,866 --> 00:20:30,986 Speaker 1: staff for you. There's been three instances where four quarterbacks 416 00:20:31,026 --> 00:20:34,586 Speaker 1: from the same school found themselves starting on the same week. 417 00:20:34,666 --> 00:20:38,786 Speaker 1: This is wild NC State, right, Philip Rivers, Jacobi percent 418 00:20:38,946 --> 00:20:43,706 Speaker 1: Mike Lennon, Russell Wilson. Remember, yeah, you're gonna count that 419 00:20:43,826 --> 00:20:46,386 Speaker 1: one who transfer to Wisconsin. Of course, Michigan State, and 420 00:20:46,546 --> 00:20:48,746 Speaker 1: this is if we're gonna count Russell. We actually can 421 00:20:48,826 --> 00:20:51,946 Speaker 1: find a fourth name here Michigan State. Kirk Cousins, Brian Hoyer, 422 00:20:52,266 --> 00:20:55,186 Speaker 1: Drew Stanton, and Nick Foles, who I always think about 423 00:20:55,186 --> 00:20:58,506 Speaker 1: it as an Arizona Wildcat, so but obviously spent one 424 00:20:58,586 --> 00:21:01,066 Speaker 1: year at Michigan State. And then sc you just talked 425 00:21:01,106 --> 00:21:04,506 Speaker 1: about Liner, Mark Sanchez, Matt Castle, Carson Palm are all 426 00:21:04,586 --> 00:21:08,186 Speaker 1: starting on the same week, which is to me kind 427 00:21:08,186 --> 00:21:10,546 Speaker 1: of cool. A couple of those universities getting some dudes 428 00:21:10,586 --> 00:21:13,186 Speaker 1: out there is super cos I've got a staff for you. 429 00:21:13,826 --> 00:21:17,266 Speaker 1: The only Power five teams that haven't logged, and he 430 00:21:17,346 --> 00:21:22,186 Speaker 1: starts in the NFL since two thousand, Arkansas, Minnesota, Georgia Tech, 431 00:21:22,346 --> 00:21:26,186 Speaker 1: and Nebraska. For all the success Nebraska has had historically, 432 00:21:26,706 --> 00:21:30,106 Speaker 1: they haven't had one guy take a snap. That's a 433 00:21:30,106 --> 00:21:41,306 Speaker 1: pretty shocking step. Welcome back to NFL, explains Mike m 434 00:21:41,306 --> 00:21:44,026 Speaker 1: and m ROB with you, Rob, Look, there is a 435 00:21:44,106 --> 00:21:47,826 Speaker 1: color that is meaningful, yellow yellow jackets, and you just 436 00:21:47,906 --> 00:21:49,946 Speaker 1: dropped Georgia Tech. I'm no, I'm not not talking about 437 00:21:49,986 --> 00:21:53,746 Speaker 1: those dudes. I'm talking about Hall of Famers schools with 438 00:21:53,826 --> 00:21:58,066 Speaker 1: the most Hall of Famers sc checking in at fourteen. 439 00:21:58,146 --> 00:22:02,506 Speaker 1: They got some dudes. Notre Dame eleven. Miami actually has nine, 440 00:22:02,506 --> 00:22:04,266 Speaker 1: and there was a hey, damn, maybe we're getting back 441 00:22:04,306 --> 00:22:06,186 Speaker 1: to that hey day with Mario Cristo Baul out there. 442 00:22:06,586 --> 00:22:08,626 Speaker 1: Uh Pitt also with not and then you've got three 443 00:22:08,666 --> 00:22:13,346 Speaker 1: teams m ROB with eight, Alabama, Michigan and Ohio State Syracuse, 444 00:22:13,346 --> 00:22:15,586 Speaker 1: who I always think of as a basketball school. Yeah, 445 00:22:15,666 --> 00:22:20,026 Speaker 1: they got seven dudes. And then l s U Yeah yeah, yeah, 446 00:22:20,026 --> 00:22:21,866 Speaker 1: we got yeah, we got my school up on there. 447 00:22:22,226 --> 00:22:23,946 Speaker 1: You gotta have pens. They gotta talk a little bit 448 00:22:24,386 --> 00:22:29,546 Speaker 1: sc which doesn't not super shocking, right when you think 449 00:22:29,546 --> 00:22:31,346 Speaker 1: about some of the guy I know a second time 450 00:22:31,386 --> 00:22:33,106 Speaker 1: on reference Ronnie Lot, but they've had a ton of 451 00:22:33,186 --> 00:22:35,506 Speaker 1: dudes come through that program as well. And I'll throw 452 00:22:35,546 --> 00:22:38,266 Speaker 1: this year way like, I think Willie is going to 453 00:22:38,426 --> 00:22:42,106 Speaker 1: be kind of adding to that list will beginners. I 454 00:22:42,146 --> 00:22:44,266 Speaker 1: think Willie will get in at some point, I mean 455 00:22:44,346 --> 00:22:47,386 Speaker 1: to be the NFL playoff sack leader. I mean when 456 00:22:47,386 --> 00:22:51,186 Speaker 1: the game was the biggest, Willie showed up. Now. But look, yeah, 457 00:22:51,186 --> 00:22:53,706 Speaker 1: I got another one for you. Okay, Look, the schools 458 00:22:53,746 --> 00:22:56,626 Speaker 1: that have had the most number one draft picks is 459 00:22:56,666 --> 00:23:01,026 Speaker 1: definitely the familiar teams, right Notre Dame, USC, Oklahoma, Georgia 460 00:23:01,106 --> 00:23:04,106 Speaker 1: all have had five. Okay, not shocking because their dudes. 461 00:23:04,146 --> 00:23:07,986 Speaker 1: They got crazy programs. You ronicled what makes a successful 462 00:23:08,066 --> 00:23:11,586 Speaker 1: college program, player development, and coaching. How about the little 463 00:23:11,586 --> 00:23:14,986 Speaker 1: guys though, I mean this one sort of surprised me. 464 00:23:15,146 --> 00:23:18,146 Speaker 1: The Nonpower five teams that have had a number one 465 00:23:18,386 --> 00:23:25,466 Speaker 1: overall pick two Lane Tennessee State, Tampa, SMU Rice comes 466 00:23:25,506 --> 00:23:29,466 Speaker 1: to mind, pen Pen, Yeah, Louisiana Tech, by the way, 467 00:23:29,666 --> 00:23:32,226 Speaker 1: Terry Bradshaw, They're one of our guys. We're not surprised, right, 468 00:23:32,266 --> 00:23:34,226 Speaker 1: David Carr's out there, He's like, Yo, make sure you 469 00:23:34,266 --> 00:23:37,786 Speaker 1: include me in your show. Fresno State, I got you, 470 00:23:37,866 --> 00:23:42,186 Speaker 1: I got you, Colorado State, Chicago and then Central Michigan, 471 00:23:42,266 --> 00:23:45,746 Speaker 1: Eric fisherback in. So some familiar names that are out 472 00:23:45,786 --> 00:23:48,546 Speaker 1: there as well. And if we're gonna talk a little 473 00:23:48,586 --> 00:23:51,266 Speaker 1: bit about the really really little guys, there are four 474 00:23:51,346 --> 00:23:58,386 Speaker 1: draftees from Division three, two of them from Wisconsin Whitewater. What. Yeah, 475 00:23:58,426 --> 00:24:00,266 Speaker 1: you know they always say like, if you're good, the 476 00:24:00,346 --> 00:24:03,586 Speaker 1: NFL will find you will and like I used to 477 00:24:03,586 --> 00:24:06,306 Speaker 1: say that, but like not really believe it. I give 478 00:24:06,346 --> 00:24:08,586 Speaker 1: a stat like that, I'm like, actually it's kind of true. 479 00:24:08,626 --> 00:24:11,186 Speaker 1: Well they will, And like again, I tell a lot 480 00:24:11,266 --> 00:24:13,906 Speaker 1: of young football players in college, they go to small schools. 481 00:24:14,226 --> 00:24:16,906 Speaker 1: You want to get noticed. First of all, put yourself 482 00:24:16,906 --> 00:24:19,186 Speaker 1: in the scout shoes. They show up to your game, 483 00:24:19,466 --> 00:24:23,186 Speaker 1: they're watching the game. You have to clearly be the 484 00:24:23,226 --> 00:24:26,186 Speaker 1: best player on the field and just proceed to go 485 00:24:26,186 --> 00:24:29,466 Speaker 1: out there and break every single record that the school has. 486 00:24:29,506 --> 00:24:31,986 Speaker 1: That will definitely get you noticed. Okay, So I'm gonna 487 00:24:31,986 --> 00:24:34,106 Speaker 1: throw something and this we're gonna call an audible here 488 00:24:34,106 --> 00:24:36,506 Speaker 1: because you and I did not discuss this before coming 489 00:24:36,506 --> 00:24:38,306 Speaker 1: out here for the show. But I think you're uniquely 490 00:24:38,346 --> 00:24:40,546 Speaker 1: qualified because you mentioned it a little bit with some 491 00:24:40,586 --> 00:24:43,026 Speaker 1: of that, and I'll use air quotes around little guy, 492 00:24:43,066 --> 00:24:45,506 Speaker 1: but the resources, and I think Dion Sandras is sort 493 00:24:45,506 --> 00:24:47,866 Speaker 1: of changing this narrative. But the other week on NFL 494 00:24:47,906 --> 00:24:51,106 Speaker 1: Network we had the Black College Hall of Fame Classics. 495 00:24:51,106 --> 00:24:54,466 Speaker 1: So you've got to HBCUs squads squaring off and all 496 00:24:54,466 --> 00:24:56,546 Speaker 1: of a sudden we're seeing an influx of talent deciding 497 00:24:56,586 --> 00:25:00,346 Speaker 1: to go down that path. How much do you think HBCUs, 498 00:25:00,386 --> 00:25:03,346 Speaker 1: who have by the way, already had success finding guys 499 00:25:03,386 --> 00:25:06,506 Speaker 1: in the Michael straighthand rights like, there's just significant list. 500 00:25:06,706 --> 00:25:08,906 Speaker 1: How do you think that's changing the game. Yeah, it's 501 00:25:08,986 --> 00:25:11,866 Speaker 1: changing the game for the better and it's powerful. And 502 00:25:12,266 --> 00:25:15,586 Speaker 1: shout out to Prime Dion Sanders, one of my big homies, 503 00:25:15,706 --> 00:25:18,426 Speaker 1: one of my mentors, a guy that we all in 504 00:25:18,466 --> 00:25:21,066 Speaker 1: this game, especially in youth sports. We look up to 505 00:25:21,146 --> 00:25:23,826 Speaker 1: him as to how much he affects young people and 506 00:25:23,866 --> 00:25:26,746 Speaker 1: he has the cool factor to so Prime definitely understands 507 00:25:26,746 --> 00:25:28,906 Speaker 1: what he's doing. But yes, the n I L whole 508 00:25:28,946 --> 00:25:33,026 Speaker 1: situation is spreading the resources out. And I also think 509 00:25:33,546 --> 00:25:37,146 Speaker 1: today's young person, especially today's black player, I'm just gonna 510 00:25:37,186 --> 00:25:40,626 Speaker 1: be frank with you, they have access to a lot 511 00:25:40,666 --> 00:25:44,066 Speaker 1: of because of the Internet, because of you know, social 512 00:25:44,066 --> 00:25:46,386 Speaker 1: media and all those things. They have access to so 513 00:25:46,666 --> 00:25:50,106 Speaker 1: much information, and they're learning about the guys that came 514 00:25:50,146 --> 00:25:53,306 Speaker 1: before them. They're learning even more than my generation. They're 515 00:25:53,386 --> 00:25:56,746 Speaker 1: learning more about the people from black colleges that came 516 00:25:56,786 --> 00:25:59,306 Speaker 1: before them that paved the way. And so when I 517 00:25:59,346 --> 00:26:01,706 Speaker 1: talk to young people, what I'm hearing is they feel 518 00:26:01,826 --> 00:26:04,466 Speaker 1: kind of indebted. They kind of feel like they have 519 00:26:04,586 --> 00:26:07,426 Speaker 1: to go back to continue you the legacy, to continue 520 00:26:07,466 --> 00:26:11,106 Speaker 1: to allow resources to be headed towards the schools that 521 00:26:11,226 --> 00:26:14,866 Speaker 1: definitely needed. You started this show talking about coaches. Prime 522 00:26:14,986 --> 00:26:16,906 Speaker 1: for me was one of the coolest dudes. And then 523 00:26:17,026 --> 00:26:19,186 Speaker 1: you know, I think we've seen the documentaries. He's the 524 00:26:19,226 --> 00:26:21,626 Speaker 1: one guy that I think started to get other former 525 00:26:21,626 --> 00:26:23,706 Speaker 1: players right, like Eddie George is another guy. Do you 526 00:26:23,786 --> 00:26:27,826 Speaker 1: think we'll see more former NFL players of that caliber 527 00:26:28,306 --> 00:26:31,826 Speaker 1: start taking over HBCUs and pulling because of n I 528 00:26:32,026 --> 00:26:34,386 Speaker 1: L being able to pull more talent, oh, you know, 529 00:26:34,546 --> 00:26:36,666 Speaker 1: five star recruits. I mean, Prime is able to get 530 00:26:36,746 --> 00:26:39,586 Speaker 1: one of those dudes. The game needs us to do that. 531 00:26:39,946 --> 00:26:43,786 Speaker 1: We have to be that football at a PhD level 532 00:26:44,426 --> 00:26:47,426 Speaker 1: is us being all pros, us winning super Bowls. And 533 00:26:47,466 --> 00:26:50,986 Speaker 1: it's our duty as gladiators, as our duty as football 534 00:26:50,986 --> 00:26:54,386 Speaker 1: players to go back into the well and teach what 535 00:26:54,426 --> 00:26:56,946 Speaker 1: we know. And again we also come when I talk 536 00:26:56,986 --> 00:26:59,146 Speaker 1: about what we talk talking about former players, we come 537 00:26:59,186 --> 00:27:02,426 Speaker 1: with their street credibility. Right. Players know they've watched us, 538 00:27:02,426 --> 00:27:05,146 Speaker 1: they've seen us, they know we've gone through exactly what 539 00:27:05,266 --> 00:27:06,986 Speaker 1: we're telling them, and it goes along way in the 540 00:27:06,986 --> 00:27:08,946 Speaker 1: locker room. All right, before you wrap up here, you're 541 00:27:08,986 --> 00:27:11,346 Speaker 1: on the football field, you're playing used to wear the 542 00:27:11,386 --> 00:27:14,146 Speaker 1: Penn State uniform. Older guy that you didn't play with, 543 00:27:14,306 --> 00:27:16,506 Speaker 1: younger guy that you didn't play with, you know they 544 00:27:16,546 --> 00:27:18,986 Speaker 1: went to Penn State. What's that interaction before or after 545 00:27:18,986 --> 00:27:23,226 Speaker 1: the game? Oh man, it's you know, it's especially the 546 00:27:23,266 --> 00:27:28,346 Speaker 1: older guys, right because we all played for one yeah, 547 00:27:29,706 --> 00:27:34,346 Speaker 1: for one coach, the same story. It unites us all 548 00:27:34,386 --> 00:27:37,346 Speaker 1: I remember, you know, playing against a bunch of different 549 00:27:37,346 --> 00:27:41,426 Speaker 1: Penn Staters and we all give the your paternal voice. 550 00:27:41,586 --> 00:27:44,586 Speaker 1: We see each other, we take pictures and we go right, 551 00:27:44,866 --> 00:27:49,106 Speaker 1: said what do you do and stand up? I mean 552 00:27:49,186 --> 00:27:52,386 Speaker 1: we all do the same voice. So yeah, man, it's 553 00:27:52,426 --> 00:27:54,906 Speaker 1: a pretty special feeling. And again because we all played 554 00:27:54,946 --> 00:27:57,026 Speaker 1: for the same coach, it kind of brings us closer together. 555 00:27:57,026 --> 00:27:58,906 Speaker 1: It's pretty cool. Yeah, it is really cool. You know, 556 00:27:58,906 --> 00:28:00,746 Speaker 1: it was a thrill from me. I was hosting Total 557 00:28:00,786 --> 00:28:03,266 Speaker 1: Access and it doesn't happen that often. Now. I went 558 00:28:03,306 --> 00:28:05,786 Speaker 1: to Fordham University in the Bronx and I had to 559 00:28:05,866 --> 00:28:07,986 Speaker 1: tell you on the shortlist. And I've been pretty fortunate 560 00:28:08,026 --> 00:28:09,906 Speaker 1: here since I started to be able to interview a 561 00:28:09,946 --> 00:28:13,386 Speaker 1: lot of like really talented current NFL players. I could 562 00:28:13,386 --> 00:28:15,666 Speaker 1: not have been more excited to talk to Chase Edmonds 563 00:28:15,786 --> 00:28:19,106 Speaker 1: really like I get him and I'm like, dude, Arthur Avenue, 564 00:28:19,226 --> 00:28:23,226 Speaker 1: Pugsley's chicken rolling. It's but it's like those moments that 565 00:28:23,586 --> 00:28:25,466 Speaker 1: you know, like not for nothing, like Chas isn't. There's 566 00:28:25,506 --> 00:28:27,106 Speaker 1: not a lot of a lot of Fordham dudes, right, 567 00:28:27,106 --> 00:28:30,906 Speaker 1: And there's only thirty two players from NFL drafted, twenty 568 00:28:30,986 --> 00:28:34,146 Speaker 1: nine of those coming from nine or sooner. You got 569 00:28:34,226 --> 00:28:36,466 Speaker 1: John Skelton, the quarterback who was actually with Arizona for 570 00:28:36,466 --> 00:28:40,226 Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah. Um, and I obviously made reference 571 00:28:40,266 --> 00:28:42,226 Speaker 1: to Chase Edmonds who's now with the Dolphins, and then 572 00:28:42,386 --> 00:28:45,626 Speaker 1: think zakel who got drafted by the Niners. I was 573 00:28:45,706 --> 00:28:49,026 Speaker 1: doing the draft for NFL dot Com. I see Fordham 574 00:28:49,106 --> 00:28:51,906 Speaker 1: six round, dude, I went crazy in the break and 575 00:28:51,906 --> 00:28:54,346 Speaker 1: everyone's looking at me. I'm like, guys, Fordham, there's not 576 00:28:54,386 --> 00:28:56,746 Speaker 1: many Can we just own it a little bit? And 577 00:28:56,746 --> 00:28:58,506 Speaker 1: I think that's one of the coolest things. People always 578 00:28:58,546 --> 00:29:00,826 Speaker 1: ask me, Hey, what's the difference between, you know, covering 579 00:29:00,826 --> 00:29:02,986 Speaker 1: in the college game and covering the pro game. And 580 00:29:03,026 --> 00:29:05,346 Speaker 1: it's those moments, right, like the paternal voice that for 581 00:29:05,426 --> 00:29:08,146 Speaker 1: turn right, Like those little subtle things from being on 582 00:29:08,186 --> 00:29:10,386 Speaker 1: that campus. I think is always cool. But you go 583 00:29:10,426 --> 00:29:13,226 Speaker 1: into any NFL city and to see the jerseys of 584 00:29:13,306 --> 00:29:15,906 Speaker 1: all all those teams, I mean, you know, you experience 585 00:29:15,946 --> 00:29:17,586 Speaker 1: it like being on the field is pretty bad as 586 00:29:17,706 --> 00:29:21,666 Speaker 1: it is, it's cool. And again like the jersey swaps, 587 00:29:21,666 --> 00:29:23,466 Speaker 1: I mean, like most of the pens, they guys that 588 00:29:23,506 --> 00:29:25,826 Speaker 1: I've played against, I mean I get their jersey afterwards. 589 00:29:25,826 --> 00:29:28,426 Speaker 1: You you know, you get to exchange ideas and not 590 00:29:28,506 --> 00:29:30,466 Speaker 1: only seeing them after you play them in the National 591 00:29:30,466 --> 00:29:33,906 Speaker 1: Football League, playing against them in the National Football League, 592 00:29:33,946 --> 00:29:36,146 Speaker 1: and then seeing them when you go back to college 593 00:29:36,226 --> 00:29:39,026 Speaker 1: is even bigger treatment. Yeah, it's uh, it's pretty wild man. 594 00:29:39,066 --> 00:29:40,986 Speaker 1: And to see these dudes celebrate. I was at the 595 00:29:41,066 --> 00:29:44,426 Speaker 1: Rose Bowl. Actually it was USC Penn State. Barkley was there. 596 00:29:44,426 --> 00:29:46,706 Speaker 1: It was Kwan's year at the Rolls. But that wasn't 597 00:29:46,706 --> 00:29:50,026 Speaker 1: great for yours. It was to remind me. Yeah, I'm 598 00:29:50,026 --> 00:29:54,186 Speaker 1: on the sideline and it's Ronnie lot Liner, Sanchez, Lynn Swat, 599 00:29:54,266 --> 00:29:57,226 Speaker 1: like those dudes are celebrating like their college kids on 600 00:29:57,226 --> 00:30:00,666 Speaker 1: the sideline. It's it's it's kind of awesome to see 601 00:30:00,706 --> 00:30:03,946 Speaker 1: some of that because the legends it does. It does 602 00:30:03,986 --> 00:30:06,946 Speaker 1: all right, final thing here before you let everyone going NFL, 603 00:30:07,066 --> 00:30:09,386 Speaker 1: You like, is there one program or you just say, 604 00:30:09,466 --> 00:30:11,786 Speaker 1: you know what, like this squad's got the bragging rights, 605 00:30:11,826 --> 00:30:14,266 Speaker 1: because yeah, you could go most drafted, Notre Dame, you 606 00:30:14,266 --> 00:30:16,586 Speaker 1: could go most you know, Hall of famers that see 607 00:30:16,666 --> 00:30:18,786 Speaker 1: most first round pick. You know, we we've chronicled a 608 00:30:18,786 --> 00:30:20,986 Speaker 1: lot of it. I would have to go, at least 609 00:30:21,026 --> 00:30:23,946 Speaker 1: in the modern times. It has to be Alabama. Yeah, 610 00:30:24,066 --> 00:30:25,426 Speaker 1: I mean, it just has to be. I mean, I 611 00:30:25,426 --> 00:30:28,786 Speaker 1: don't know if there's been another program that's dominated for 612 00:30:28,866 --> 00:30:32,786 Speaker 1: so long with athletes being able to go almost anywhere 613 00:30:32,826 --> 00:30:35,066 Speaker 1: in the country. I mean, they've just dominated for a decade, 614 00:30:35,146 --> 00:30:38,466 Speaker 1: almost two decades. It's pretty wild. It's that saving guy 615 00:30:38,506 --> 00:30:43,306 Speaker 1: who apparently is pretty good NFL you. It has been 616 00:30:43,346 --> 00:30:45,706 Speaker 1: awesome to go through some of these teams. Perfect job 617 00:30:45,706 --> 00:30:48,066 Speaker 1: by you as always. Man, having a blast doing this podcast. 618 00:30:48,146 --> 00:30:50,746 Speaker 1: Of course, you can find us on social media at 619 00:30:50,826 --> 00:30:53,506 Speaker 1: Mike Underscore Yeah, and I know you're you're kind of 620 00:30:53,546 --> 00:30:56,386 Speaker 1: a social media yeah, on my Twitter at real mic Rob, 621 00:30:56,466 --> 00:30:59,906 Speaker 1: Instagram at Real Underscore, Mike Underscore Rob. I gotta say 622 00:31:00,066 --> 00:31:02,786 Speaker 1: all Mike Yeah. If there's a topic that you'd like 623 00:31:03,066 --> 00:31:04,906 Speaker 1: us to cover, or a question you just don't know 624 00:31:04,946 --> 00:31:07,426 Speaker 1: an answer to, you can add us and I prompise 625 00:31:07,506 --> 00:31:10,106 Speaker 1: it will make one of our NFL Explained episodes. Thanks 626 00:31:10,146 --> 00:31:10,946 Speaker 1: so much for listening.