1 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: Ron and Anian. One of the things I always state 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 1: that a good repair shop can do on an oil 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: change is that rod, that minute rode, that spin around 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: the block. They're looking for that problem, that small problem 5 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: before it becomes a bigger one. The car Doctor you 6 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: know at BMW stands for it varying money waster and 7 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: after owning one to sort of understand that. Welcome to 8 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: the radio home of Ron and Anian, the Car Doctor, 9 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: since this is where car owners the world overturned to 10 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 1: for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics 11 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: giving you a busy signal, pick up the phone and 12 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: call in. The garage doors are open, but I am 13 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: here to take your calls at eight five and now 14 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: the car Doctor anymore he running, Hey, it's time to 15 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: start your engines along and welcome on any of the 16 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: car Doctor here at five five five zero nine zero. 17 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: Give us a call. Let's talk about your car and 18 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: it's problem. Whatever you've got going on. Fender defender and 19 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: door to door. That's what this radio shows about and 20 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:18,119 Speaker 1: has been for the past twelve seven twenty eight years. UM, 21 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: it's just an ongoing process just trying to learn about 22 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: your car problem. And trying to understand it so that 23 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: I can give you the answer. That's what this radio 24 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: show does and has done it will always continue to do. 25 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: Eight five five zero zero zero. Give us a call, 26 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: let's talk about it. Let's let's get it solved. It's 27 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: just gonna be us basically standing in the standing in 28 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: the corner of the shop and talking about your car. 29 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: I was in the shop this week, and um, I 30 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: want to go here real quick because the phones are 31 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: already backed up. You know, part of what this radio 32 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: show does is we we we try to make difficult simple, 33 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: all right, And it's it's just that important because every 34 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: problem can be whittled down to an understandable level. At 35 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: least you know why you're changing the part, and you 36 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: should prove that. And that's that's what a good diagnosis 37 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: is about. And uh, you need to understand that and 38 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: think about it. I chuckle when I still talk to 39 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: people and phone calls and emails and conversations and you know, 40 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: they replace essentially five six, seven hundred thousand dollars worth 41 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: of parts and the problem isn't better. And I say, 42 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: why don't you pay for a diagnosis? And the answer 43 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: I always get it. I didn't want to spend any 44 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: money necessarily. Uh, you know, because the problem is not 45 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: everything is what it appears. And you know, I've been 46 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: saying this for a while now. The new sign of 47 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: the shop is going to be everything is going to 48 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: take longer than you think. And it's way more complicated 49 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: than you can imagine, because it is. It's a car. 50 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: It's got a computer attached to it. It's got you know, 51 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,679 Speaker 1: human thought process attached to it. Either the guy that 52 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: designed it, built it, drove it, or broke it, or 53 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: the guy who tried to fix it before you got 54 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: to it. So you've got a really, you know, diagnose it. 55 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: I don't care what you do. You've got to diagnose 56 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: it each and every time. They So four Volkswagen Golf 57 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: was in the shop a couple of weeks ago. We 58 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: did we did a cooling system host. It's this three 59 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: pronged hose that's over on the driver's side, attached to 60 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: the cylinder head. And you know, one of the one 61 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: of the disdains I have for Volkswagen is well, it's 62 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: not just you know, listen, it's it's it's easy to 63 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: say things about Volkswagen and kind of chuckle because VW 64 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 1: virtually worthless. We get that, all right, that's but yeah, 65 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: part of that's the show too. You know, my job 66 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: is to kind of make you laugh. But you have 67 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: to look at how the company backs up the product. 68 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: And that's a lot of the frustration. Um, we had 69 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: to look up this cooling system host, so you know, 70 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: to make the job harder. You talk to the dealer 71 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: and they say, well, it could be one of four 72 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: hoses on that side of the car. You'd really have 73 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: to give us better information. Well, I could send you 74 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: a picture. Well that won't help, you know, Can you 75 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: give us a number off the hose? And a long 76 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: story short No, because the number had gone away. There 77 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: was nothing discernible you could read. And I finally identified 78 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: it and found it on my own. Put the hose 79 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: on the car, bloed the cooling system. Ship that gone 80 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: done down the road, another one out the door, two 81 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: weeks go by phone rings customer, Hey, you know, and 82 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 1: those two words every mechanic hates to hear. Ever since, 83 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: of course, ever since, ever since we did the cooling 84 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: system host and and I'm not being fair to Bob. 85 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: Bob was pretty good about it. He said, you know, 86 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: he goes. I know it's easy to say and jump 87 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: up and getting your grill about. You know, it's ever 88 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 1: since she is, but I just got to start the 89 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: conversation that way. Ever since we did the cooling system host, 90 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: the air conditioning hasn't worked. Okay. One thing I know 91 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: in this business is you're obligated to check your work. 92 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: I don't care what the customer has concerned and it's 93 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: it's just something you have to do. We did exhaust 94 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: on a Subaru this week. Banged it out. I did it. 95 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: It was I mean, it came out perfect. I painted it. 96 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: I polished it. I because I paint my exhausted I 97 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: wanted to rust any faster than it have to shift 98 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: it down the road. Car was bone stock quiet. Next 99 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 1: day I get a phone call. Here's a lot of 100 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: noise in the back of the car. Well, you know, 101 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: and I'm scratching my head and right away the mechanics 102 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: ego comes out, Oh no, it couldn't be anything. I did. 103 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: Bring it by. They bring it by, put it up 104 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: in the air. I don't hear anything. The noise isn't there. 105 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: You put it in gear, you hear a noise. The 106 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 1: motor mount is so soft that when you put the 107 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: car and drive and load it, it it actually pushes the 108 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: entire exhaust system backwards and it's rubbing the mufflers against 109 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: the bumper brace. So it's gonna have to come back. 110 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: We're have to do some motor mount work and uh, 111 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: you know, straighten out a few of the hangars and stuff. 112 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: But it's there's always a reason why things happened. I 113 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: was looking for it because the front pipe had snapped 114 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 1: on this Subaru and I didn't see it. Now I 115 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: see it, and sometimes that happens back to the Volkswagen. 116 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: So the Volkswagon became ever since while we looked over everything. 117 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: Now to make this worse, if it could get any worse. 118 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: It was a Canadian v W Gulf Diesel Volkswagen, Okay, 119 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: so it was it was it was. It was a 120 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: t d I, you know, one of those polluter cars 121 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: that we all have grown to love. And Okay, so 122 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: everything in this car is a little different. It's it's 123 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: preendometers and the odometers and kilometers and it's you. So 124 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: you have to be extra careful. So you're going through 125 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: you go through data stream and you're looking for well, 126 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: first I always print the wiring diagram. How's the component work? 127 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: Wiring diagram will tell me to take the wining diagram. 128 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,799 Speaker 1: UH censors that had complete access at input on Besides 129 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: the obvious was ambient air temp sense, cool attempt came involved. 130 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: There were two controllers, three controllers involved in the in 131 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: the operation of the air conditioning clutch. What made it work, 132 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:50,239 Speaker 1: what didn't? And then the fan controller module had complete authority. 133 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: It decided based on input whether or not it would 134 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: apply power to the clutch and turn the compressor round. 135 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: So I went through. There was nothing unplugged. I looked 136 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 1: at it as best I could on a scan tool. 137 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: All the sensors were there. Ambient sensor was there, cool 138 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: and sensor was there. Everything you know had correct reading. 139 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: One of the problems when you're diagnosing is if you 140 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: don't understand how the circuit works, sometimes you can make 141 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: it worse. All right. I used to have a technician. 142 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: I love him to death. He's a very dear friend, Chris. 143 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: We used to call him Smokey because back in the 144 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: early days when we were working together, we always used 145 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: to say, if anybody could let the smoke out of 146 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,559 Speaker 1: a computer, it's Chris. We His nickname was Smoky because 147 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: it was you know, charge you know, teach him look 148 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: before you leap, and and and and he's actually a 149 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: national trainer. Now he's a very bright guy. It's it's 150 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: it's it's big stuff. So you always want to look 151 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: before you leap, right, So I did some research. Well, 152 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: first I tested. I had twelve volts to the compressor 153 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: clutch when I turned the A C on, and I 154 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: had ground Gee, why doesn't this work? It's it's you know, 155 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: is it is? It too easy to say that it's 156 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: a bad compressor clutch. But then when I start the 157 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: car up, the charging system voltage would go to fourteen votes, 158 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: but the voltage feeding the compressor clutch would stay at twelve. 159 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, why is there there's two volte difference? 160 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense to me. Am I looking 161 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: at a bias voltage? And if so, is it coming 162 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: out of the cooling fan control module? And it's not 163 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: applying full voltage because it's seeing something it doesn't like? 164 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: What what makes this work? Research time? You know what 165 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: they said about research, right? Einstein always said, uh, you know, 166 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: trust me if you don't understand how something works. To 167 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: paraphrase them. It was basically, if you don't understand how 168 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: something works, to your research. It's not it's not an 169 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: embarrassment to tell somebody you got to do research. Trust me. 170 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: I had to do mine, and you know, look at Einstein. 171 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: So I did some research and I came up with 172 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 1: the fact that the cooling fan control module is looking 173 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: for a resistance value in order to apply volters. Look 174 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: how smart this thing is, right, But you never find this. 175 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: You really got to dig into the minutia of it. 176 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: So it turns out the spec was somewhere around four 177 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: to six palms of resistance in order for the control 178 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: module to decide, hey, it's say to apply voltage so 179 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: that I'm not gonna do damage to myself and possibly 180 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: some other component in the system. So yeah, I'm thinking 181 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: this is a compressor. But you really kind of want 182 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: to know, especially since you know, ever since you know 183 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: you're playing me, ever since scenario. Thank god for big 184 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: round headlights. All right, off off the old school cars. 185 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: They have a great They draw about six seven amps. 186 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: They're they're they're about four and a half phones resistance 187 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: right across the low beam filament, and um, there's my 188 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: load put the load into the circuit and Danny would 189 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: turn on the A C compressor collection. I'd watched the 190 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: headlight come out under the hood. Actually shot a YouTube 191 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: video of it. I'm gonna put it up on YouTube, 192 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: and I haven't done it yet. I haven't gotten around 193 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: to it, but you know, I proved that, Hey, this 194 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: is a compressor. Took a video of it. This is 195 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: a compressor. It's a bad compressor. It's got nothing to 196 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: do with the hose. It's got nothing to do with 197 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: ever since. It's just unfortunate sense of timing that you know, 198 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: Monday it worked and Tuesday it didn't. And that's just 199 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 1: the way it is. But it's the diagnosis that saved 200 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: the day. And diagnosis is what this industry is about. 201 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: Diagnosis saves me on many an occasion. It'll save you. 202 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: Give me a call eight five five zero nine zero zero. 203 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: I'm run a name the car doctor. I'll be back 204 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: right after this. He drives that way. But when it 205 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: comes to fixing cars, Ron has card advice done right. 206 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: Eight five five five zero nine zero zero. Here's Ron. Hey, 207 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: let's get backing over and talk to Mick in Oregon. 208 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: Or three Honda Accord milk. Welcome to the car doctor. 209 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: How can I help? Hey, thanks for taking my call wrong. 210 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: UM My son got three Honda according to the six 211 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: and he pulled up in the driveway the other day 212 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: and he said, hey, damn, I check into that came 213 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: on and it was really running rough. So he popped 214 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: the hood. The rubber boot that goes from the are 215 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: inbox or the air box to the frattle body wolf 216 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: cracked and it looked like it could really been sucking 217 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: the air. And I thought, well, that's probably our problem. 218 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: So we put a new boot on it. And I mean, 219 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: nothing has changed. It's still throwing misfire codes and um, 220 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: and it's throwing a P ten seventy eight and a 221 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: P ten seventy seven. I guess that has something to 222 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: do with the intake amountifold runner control. UM. I've done 223 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: some diagnostic work. What I can do? I checked my 224 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: scam tool. I was watching the short term fuel trim 225 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: on bank one. It gets right up to and I'm 226 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: doing that when it's set in the code short term 227 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: fuel trim bank to its round seven. Compression is good, 228 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: vacuum is good, my fuel pressure is good. UM kind 229 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: of you know, does does this car have a mass 230 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: airflow sensor? I can't remember. Oh, I think it does 231 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: well if this has a mass airflow. If this has 232 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: a mass air flow, I'm trying remember what I know. 233 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: Three or quarter V six looks like if this has 234 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: a mass airflow. Um, a look forward on the scan too, 235 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: will be looked forward under the hood. Uh. You know 236 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: that's gonna be part of the problem. As far as 237 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: fuel trim, does it or doesn't it? It looks like 238 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: it does. Okay, So right now you've got a fresh intake, 239 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:22,719 Speaker 1: boot onto the clear codes. Okay, coaches come right back. Yeah, okay. 240 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: So if that's the case, it's showing lean on one 241 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: bank but not the other. Correct. Are there any misfire faults? Yes, yes, 242 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 1: there's misfires. Uh, three or four, two, five and random? Okay. 243 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: So you know the easy thing is, or the easiest thought, 244 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 1: which isn't gonna be true in this case is because 245 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: it's common they go through coils. I don't see where 246 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: this car is gonna start, you know, tearing up coils 247 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: at that level. Usually it's one or two. So let's 248 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: let's solve the fuel trim problem first, all right, UM, 249 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 1: be certain this is a mass airflow car. All if 250 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: it's if it's not all right, then it's a map 251 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: sensor car. Map sense map sensor. Hondas are very fussy 252 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: in that the slightest little bit of vacuum change will 253 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: cause a change in fuel enrichment. Alright. Example, I've had 254 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: hondas that the valves are actually out of adjustment, just 255 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: the least little bit, and it will cause it will 256 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: cause a change of state and how the map sensor 257 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: reacts to it and cause a a fuel trim condition 258 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: to the point that it will create a misfire and 259 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: make the vehicle run on, make the vehicle run rough 260 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: uneven all right, So keep that in the back of 261 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: your head. Do you have any propane or an alternate 262 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: fuel source? I do? I do? Uh? I have some propane. Um. 263 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: I sniffed around a little bit. I couldn't get any 264 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: fluctuation in the idol of the motor um. Oh wait 265 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: a minute, you had take manifold runner control issue too, correct. Okay, 266 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: so let's look at that. Let's focus on that now. 267 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: Sometimes with that the vacuum ho is leading to the 268 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: I m R c rots away and breaks. Okay, So 269 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: why don't we go through an intake manifold runner control test, 270 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: and that's gonna be apply vacuum. Look for change of 271 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: state on a scan tool on the voltage is a 272 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: zero to five volts signal of memory serves me correct? 273 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: And it's gonna be low voltage one way, high voltage 274 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: the others. It's got to have an opposite end of 275 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: the reaction reaction, if you know what I'm saying. Um, 276 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: let's let's look at the intake manifold runner control. Is 277 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: the intake manifold runner control stuck? Is it stuck at 278 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: at midpoint? Just mechanically stuck? Which is the other thing 279 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: that they do some of these certain model years was 280 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: internal plastic and they actually got stuck in the manifold, 281 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: although most of those were the four cylinders, not the six. 282 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: But let's let's look at their going to be a 283 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: vacuum line leading up to the vacuum control for the 284 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: intake manifold runner control. Let's make sure we've got correct 285 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: manifold vacuum there. Um. I did do a vacuum test 286 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: on the manifold and it turned and it was good. Okay, Well, 287 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: and again I'm not saying this is I'm not a 288 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: big manifold. I'm not a big manifold vacuum test guy. 289 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: You know, I got sixteen inches inches. Great, okay, you're 290 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: you're proving it. You've got sixteen to eighteen inches a 291 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: manifold vauum. You still got a lean fuel condition because 292 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: the engine is able to put out enough manifold vacuum 293 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: that it's it's able to produce correct within spec. You've 294 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: still got a fuel trim problem. So so on this engine, 295 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: it's like the intake planum planeum sets over the entire 296 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: engine and over the fuel rail. And so when when 297 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: it was running, it sounds like there's a hissing noise 298 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: coming from underneath that intake planum. And I took air hose, 299 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: like a three pair hose, and I fished it down 300 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: there and held it up to my ear, and I 301 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: can hear like a hissing noise under there. Obviously I 302 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: can't see under there, but I can hear it. And 303 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's just normal part of the 304 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: engine operation or if there's some kind of leakage underneath there. 305 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: What do you what do you have? What do you 306 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: have for fuel enrichment um? What do you mean? Well, yeah, 307 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: you got you got a bottle of propane? Yeah, yeah, 308 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: I got a bottle of propane and I tried to 309 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: get it down in there, um as best I could. 310 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: I'll put a hose on it. Well yeah, so I'll 311 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: have to come up with the part number. Um, there's 312 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: a there's a there's a tool from mo TC. If 313 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: you heard me talk about this, yeah, yeah, yeah, I 314 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: have okay, and I'm telling you it just makes life 315 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: so much easier. You're gonna get it and go. Have 316 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: you ever survived this without? All? Right? Um, it's the 317 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: old Chrysler lean Burn Propane in Richmond tool. Put a 318 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: put a piece of steel, brake line, k the end 319 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: of the hose, pee the end of the brake line 320 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: as as tight as you want. So it's a pinpoint 321 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: sprits and it's it's like having a laser beam shot 322 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: of propane. So you can direct it exactly where you 323 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: want it to go. If you're gonna work on cars, 324 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: you know, there's just some basics you gotta have. You 325 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: gotta have a spark tester, you gotta have a scan tool, 326 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: you gotta a voltmeter, you gotta have a way to 327 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: do propane in Richmond. It just makes life so much 328 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: simpler if we're trying to do this on the fly 329 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: without you know, getting too too deep into it with expensive, 330 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: expensive stuff, uh, to make it easier for do it yourself. Um, 331 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: but I would do that, and you know, shoot it 332 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 1: down under that intake plan of if if and watch, 333 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: you know, and and think of it like this. Take 334 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: the propane. Now, shoot propane down the throat of the 335 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 1: air and take boot. Watch the two sensor watch the 336 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: fuel trim change. All right, you now know what it 337 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: looks like. Yeah, you know what to look for. Now 338 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: shoot it under the intake plan of when you get 339 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: the proper plumbing. If can say it like that, and 340 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: you'll know what to look for, and it'll just at 341 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: least it'll give you a direction. I think you've got 342 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: a vacuum leak somewhere. I think something has rotted, broken, cracked. 343 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: That's just hard to say. And propane and Richmond's gonna 344 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 1: be the next step under that intake planet to verify 345 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: it and then, um, you know, then you'll know and 346 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 1: then we can go on looking from there. I'm here 347 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: next week if you need me. Ron and Ding the 348 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: car doctor eight five five five zero. I'll keep me posted. Hey, 349 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: welcome back ran the car Doctor. Let's go over to 350 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 1: Mike in Delaware. Oh one Chevy and some problems in 351 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 1: the way, the break boosters working. Mike, Welcome to the 352 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: car Doctor. Sir, how can I help? Okay, uh go, 353 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: oh my gosh. Let's see the power steering pump is 354 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 1: leaked and I replaced the hoses and uh this has 355 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: this has this is a hydro boost system, correct, Mike, 356 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: that's correct. Okay, take a breath, Hey, Mike, take a breath. 357 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: I think you're a little nervous. Um, It's okay, it's 358 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: just listen. Nobody really listens to this radio show. It's 359 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: just you and me. Okay, there's nobody else here right now, 360 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: all right, So so um, good ahead, talk to me. 361 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: Tell me what's going on. Well, I'm I'm dumping power 362 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: steering fluid in every day, like every twenty miles. I 363 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 1: gotta put fluid in it. Okay, that's a pretty that's 364 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: a pretty good leak. Brother. So, um, one of two things, 365 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: Either we're gonna have to buy future stock in the 366 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: power steering fluid company you're using so I can retire, 367 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: or we're gonna have to fix the leak, So I 368 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: I'd rather fix the leak because that's really what I'm 369 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: supposed to do. So you know, does does is this 370 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: leak obvious? Or is it's just like, you know, put 371 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: your head up against the TV and glory be your 372 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: heel that just kind of disappears by magic? Is it 373 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 1: one of those? It looks like it looks like it's 374 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: coming from three places by where the snowplown mounts, like 375 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: underneath where I guess where where the master cylinder mounts. 376 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: The it is it leaking for all that? Is it 377 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: one link from man from the master cylinder? Right? So 378 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 1: now yep? Yeah, and then I can't tell you where 379 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: it's leak is from the train, from the pump itself. 380 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: But I replaced the hoses and and the hoses aren't Lincoln. 381 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: So you know, is this a higher mileage truck? Yeah, 382 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 1: it's got to twenty on it. So can I ask you, 383 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask a silly question. Mark it down. It's 384 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: gonna be a moment in history. Okay, why can't this 385 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 1: be a leak from the hydro boost unit and the 386 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 1: power steering pump. Yes it can, so I would imagine 387 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: it is, right, So your question to me is what 388 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: how much? Oh well, you know, first of all, the 389 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: real question is not how much, but can you still 390 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: get good quality parts? All right? And that's that's that's 391 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: really the whole conversation. So yeah, and that's you know what. 392 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: And I would tell you I think you're looking for. 393 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: Let me see, it's been a while since I did 394 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: a hydroboost unit of that generation. But the last one 395 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 1: I did, if I remember right, wasn't remember we're on radio, 396 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: so no swearing, but I think they were twelve something 397 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: like that, just for the hydro boost and then and 398 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: then the power. I brought it to the Chevy dealer 399 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: two weeks ago, and uh, what happened was on broke 400 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: on it? Okay, right before here's a story. Right before 401 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: the pimot on broke. I was on the turn fight 402 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: coming back to Delaware, doing you know, a little over 403 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: the speed women a little and I was in a 404 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: parking lot and I back put it in reverse and 405 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: the Pittman on broke. So so I had a toe 406 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: to the dealer and I told him to fix it. 407 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: And the dealer wouldn't even touch the power steering and 408 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: the the brake stuff. What what Okay, I'd like to 409 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: keep the truck. I would like to keep. I don't 410 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 1: know why. Well did you ask him? He wouldn't tell me. 411 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 1: So what I'm gonna do is go back to the 412 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 1: deal and talk to the owner of the dealer. See 413 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: why they did that. Now and and understand, you know 414 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: that that that price on the hydropoost unit. It's been 415 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: a while since I looked it up. One thing I 416 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: always tell everybody is one thing I can't answer and 417 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 1: be accurate is parts pricing. It's just, you know, it's 418 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:52,959 Speaker 1: not something I keep in my head. I can tell 419 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: you what I remember paying for the job at that 420 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: job could have been five years ago in the world. 421 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: The world's changed a little bit in five years. Number 422 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: one five days. So but you're about the pump itself. 423 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: Pump a good PARI steering pumps probably three bucks, you're 424 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: probably I bet you that's a three thousand dollar job 425 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: by the time you're done, you know, but you can't 426 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 1: have So we're gonna play parts pricing. So let's see 427 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: an a C compressor is probably another and a C 428 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: stuff is never cheap. I gotta think a a C 429 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: compressor's five six hundred bucks okay, So why don't we 430 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: do this? We hey, Mike, wait, wait, wait, wait a 431 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: time time, let me talk a minute. Um, why don't 432 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: we do this? Why don't we ask the dealer? Have 433 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: you been going to this dealer for a while or 434 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 1: is this your first time there? No, this is like 435 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: the second time I went there. Okay, what happened to 436 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: your last mechanic? I'm basically okay, So why don't wet 437 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,199 Speaker 1: a bit too big of a job for me to do? 438 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 1: Instead of nickel and diamond this and we're gonna do 439 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: some of this and some of that and da da 440 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: da da. Why don't we tell the dealer? Look, I'm 441 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: willing to pay you for I don't know, pick a 442 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: number an hour of shop time. Can you look the 443 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: truck over and tell me what kind of shape it's 444 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: in and what you think it needs, and then give 445 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: me some pricing, give me some estimates. Maybe that's why 446 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: they don't want to do the power steering, because they're there, 447 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: there's so much involved, you know. Maybe it's in such 448 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: rough shape that they're afraid to touch part A because 449 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: they know Part B is gonna fall off next and 450 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: they don't want to, you know, they don't want to 451 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: have an ever since moment? All right, all right, so 452 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: why don't use the truck for snow plowing? Yeah? Well, yeah, 453 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: well I'd like to be well, and you know what, 454 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: snow plowing. Nothing beats the heck out of a vehicle 455 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: worse than snow plowing. And you know I would imagine 456 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: that's why, right exactly, So, so would you do that? 457 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: And I didn't even touch I didn't even touch the 458 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: components of the you know, the front end, like the 459 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: shops and all that. That's another story. Well, so so 460 00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: let's do this, Mike, because let me let me, let me, 461 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: let me, let me do this and get you squared 462 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: away and then I can move on. Um, let's go 463 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: talk to the dealer. Listen, I'm trying to form a 464 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: relationship with you. This is what I want you to 465 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: say to the guy, all right, because now you're gonna 466 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 1: find out whether or not as a human being you're 467 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: with me. I want to, I want I'm trying to 468 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: form a relationship with you. Guys. I'm trying to decide what, 469 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: if any repairs I'm going to do to my truck. 470 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: Can I pay you for a safety checklist? I'm thinking 471 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: it's up to an hour of your shops time to 472 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: look the vehicle over. Come back to me with a 473 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 1: report and some estimate to repair of what you think 474 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 1: the truck needs now and your best crystal ball explanation 475 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: for the next three to six months, et cetera, and 476 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: see what they say, and then we'll go from your Yes, sir, 477 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: my sister lives in Dumont, so I'm up here, you know, 478 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: pretty pretty often. I was wondering if we could do 479 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 1: it in your shop. Yeah. Let me let me tell 480 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: you something, Mike. Now, the backlog at my shop is 481 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: probably two months out. I've got, I've got, I've got 482 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: a long list, brother, and I gotta tell you, I 483 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 1: just don't do it here on radio. Um. You'd have 484 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 1: to call me, we'd have to stand, you'd have to 485 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: call me, and we'd have to talk about it. And 486 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 1: the bigger concern is getting it there. You know, you're 487 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 1: talking about a restoration. Well, you're talking about a restoration. 488 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: It sounds like no one I don't know one Chevy. 489 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: So you're talking about a restoration on an O one 490 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 1: Chevy that you're not exactly around the corner. I think 491 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 1: the point of practicality is is far from it. So 492 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: give the deal with a shop man. You need somebody 493 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: in your neighbor I understand. By the way, can I hey, Mikey, 494 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: can I tell you something? Mikey? Can I tell you something? Okay? 495 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: And you know, and you know I say this with 496 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: with love and respect. But um, for a guy that 497 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: couldn't talk at the beginning, you're doing a great job. 498 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: And I just I have to tell you something I 499 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: did lie to you. It's it's not just you and me. 500 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 1: You're on seventy something affiliates all across America. So you 501 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 1: have a good rest of the afternoon, Mikey, and thanks 502 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: for being part of the car Doctor family. Eight zero nine. 503 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 1: Well you gotta tell him that. It kind of calms 504 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: everybody down. And you know, but good call Mikey. Mikey's 505 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: full of beans. I like that. That's full of fire. Right. 506 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: We'll be back right after this. Look back running in 507 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: of the car Doctor. Let's get over to Wayne in Virginia. Wait, 508 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: where are you in Virginia? Uh's a sound called Stanton, 509 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 1: Virginia right on the Uh. She look and look at 510 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: the map and see who in the state one. It 511 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 1: runs north and south and sixty four runs east and 512 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: the west right. Are you near Virginia Beach? That's about 513 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: three and a half four hours away. Four hours. I'm 514 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: trying to learn the layout of Virginia. They're bringing me 515 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 1: down to. I haven't told Tom yet, so I don't 516 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: tell them. But they're bringing me down to Virginia Beach. 517 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: Um Uh, because I was, I was, I was just 518 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 1: made for sun tanning. But they're gonna bring it. They're 519 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 1: gonna bring me down there in November for the big 520 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: annual car show. We're gonna, We're gonna. I was there. 521 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: I guess it's been. I was there at Christmas two 522 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: years ago and it was eighty degrees Christmas Day. Who 523 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: I'll bring my bathing suit anyway. What's going on with 524 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: you today? What canna help you with? My wife has 525 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: a two thousand and seven Accord two point four four 526 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: cylinder front and twelve thousand miles and we shoot, we 527 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: bought it new and I've pretty much done all the 528 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: maintenance on it, which it really hasn't required much, but 529 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,959 Speaker 1: probably six seven weeks ago it started while she started 530 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: telling me that it was it would would hesitate and 531 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: never would shut off. But you go to hit the 532 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: gas and there would just be nothing there. You further, 533 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: you pushed the dance pottle further down, and you get 534 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: it too down, shifts into overdrive or drops a gear 535 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: and and then it will take back off. But it 536 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,959 Speaker 1: was just sporadic, uh, six weeks ago. I've driven it, 537 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: excuse me, several times since, and and it would you 538 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: I mean, it would run fine for a few minutes, 539 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: and you'd come to a stop sign and hit the 540 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: gas and it would be like the engine was starving 541 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: for fuel um and you'd have to feather a little bit, 542 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: and finally it would take off and it would run 543 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: like that bat out of heck, you know, for the 544 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: next five or ten minutes, and then to do it again. 545 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: And it didn't seem to matter if it was hot 546 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: or cold, or didn't seem to matter as far as 547 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: the attitude of the car in terms of up field 548 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: down feel that so she had has had a habit 549 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: of running the thing and when into the fuel life 550 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: coming on shoot always runs near empty. So my my 551 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,959 Speaker 1: first thought was possibly a pluge fuel filter. Now there 552 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: were no there were no no computer codes at this point, 553 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: so I thought it's a fuel filter, possibly going bad 554 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: or stopped, and then the haunts of people said, well, no, 555 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: there's no fuelter it's built into rain. There's a suck. 556 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: So I thought, we'll do with that. Maybe because she's 557 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: running low so much, the pump has overheated some and 558 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: it's just gone out. So I put a pump that no, no, 559 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: never ran great for a hundred and five miles and 560 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: you thought hot dignity, um and then yeah, and it 561 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: started again. So now at this point we started seeing 562 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: a one or two codes, one of which I don't 563 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: have the paperwork in front of him. Um. No, it 564 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: was something I'm thinking It was something about the O 565 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: two censors, either not seeing one or you know, two 566 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: lean or two rich lean? Was it was it too late? 567 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: Was it? Was it a p zero one seven one? 568 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: That sounds right, But I got I got them both, 569 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: but you know I got one. There was an ult 570 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: way at some point there was a reading on the 571 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: both the front of two in the rear or the 572 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: downstream of SAI, which I had replaced both of those 573 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: four or five months before. Let me let me let 574 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: me ask you something. Way you have a scant and 575 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: I do. That's where I'm getting the coach can you 576 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: can you read data stream? Uh? Possibly, it's an inexpensive tool, 577 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: and I if it can, I don't know how I'd 578 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: have to don't have to educate myself. In the meantime. 579 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: In the meantime, I've gotten what possibly is the answer 580 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: to this thing. I was pulling my hair out. So 581 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: I went to the Honda store and they grow and 582 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: they said, oh, you need this little device. It's kind 583 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: of like this this fly by wire thing where you 584 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: know where there's no direct connext between the gas pedal 585 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: and the throttle body right accelerator, pedal position center. Yeah, 586 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: they said, oh, you need that, so they ordered one. 587 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: I brought the car in and something about it just 588 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: didn't sound right, and I asked them, I said, please 589 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: drive this thing before you start talking parts. I said, 590 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: I have our He slapped parts and I'm not too 591 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: successful at it. So he drove and said, no, that's 592 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: not what's wrong with it. Then he gave me a 593 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: list of things it could be. Give us a car 594 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: for a whole day and let us try to figure 595 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: it out. And I could just see the meter run. 596 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: So I said, well, let me let me see what 597 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: I can come up with. UM thankfully They didn't charge 598 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: him for the time they spent. But one of the 599 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: things that they initial, one of the things that they 600 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: mentioned in the in the the the list was possibly 601 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: the time and chain was bad. And I thought, gee whiz, 602 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: I mean, at first I scoffed at the idea that 603 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: how could it? How could it steal a time and 604 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: chain not a belt? How could a chain caused this? 605 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: A long story short, I wound up taking it to it. Now, 606 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: it was not fixed the car yet, but I went 607 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: through as much as I drained all the keel think. 608 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: I thought, maybe there's maybe there's bad gas. There's water 609 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: in it after all. So I got every drop to 610 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: gas out of it, even watched the sound with them 611 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,959 Speaker 1: down with a rag on the inside put fresh gas. 612 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: It didn't fix it. I'll tell you what, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, 613 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: Stop stop stop, stop, stop stop. Let me pull over. 614 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: Take a pause. When we come back, We're only gonna 615 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: have two and a half minute, so let me let 616 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: me answer some questions and get you going before the 617 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: end of the hour runs out. All right, brother, I'm 618 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: on any of the car. Doctor will be back right 619 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: after this. Welcome back. Let's go over and talk to Wayne. 620 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: Wayne you're still there, brother Wayne. Yes, okay, so let's 621 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: do yes or no answer. So let me ask you this. 622 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: We we think this is setting a lean fuel condition 623 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: fault code. Correct, possibly, let's work with that, all right. 624 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: When the dealer looked at this and drove it, Okay, 625 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: this is gonna be more than a yes or no answer. 626 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: Did they drive it? Did they experience the actual problem 627 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: that is a yesterday, Yes, they did when they were 628 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: preparing to put in this other this other part and 629 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: came back. Okay, So it's not that okay. So so 630 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: you know you've got a lean fault code or so 631 00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: we think, all right, so let's work with that. You know, 632 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: I have another diagnosis that that will help go ahead. 633 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,399 Speaker 1: Another local mechanical said, long story short, he said, your 634 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: time and chain is stretched. Okay on the basis of 635 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:17,479 Speaker 1: what he ran. He put his snap on scan tool 636 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: on and he spent some time, I guess, looking at 637 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: the data strange and he had he had seen this 638 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: once before, or maybe a couple of pounds before to 639 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,839 Speaker 1: where you give it. You try to give a gas 640 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: and it and it's just like there's just no fuel, uh, 641 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:31,879 Speaker 1: And then it comes back and then it goes away 642 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: and it comes back, but it doesn't generate any codes 643 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: because there's not a center involved except the center of 644 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: reading the end result of this um where you know, 645 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 1: the valves are not open and closed and as as 646 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: they're supposed to give them the you know, the other 647 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,280 Speaker 1: operating conditions at the end. That's what he says. And 648 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: and we're preparing to drop it off this this week, 649 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: this Tuesday, and he's going to changements and then go 650 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: from there. Okay, listen, I respect everybody's diagnosed as that. 651 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 1: If he's looking at the numbers and he's saying timing chain, 652 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,760 Speaker 1: then you gotta go with that, all right. The question 653 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 1: you gotta ask him before you spend the money is 654 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,879 Speaker 1: will this fix the car? The one thing I want 655 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: to point out is somebody has hopefully been looking at 656 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 1: fuel trim. There's a bunch of things to consider if 657 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: it is a lean fuel condition. I'm not saying a 658 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 1: chain is not it, but there are other things to 659 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,479 Speaker 1: look at. Let's look at them first before we spend 660 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,359 Speaker 1: money on a chain. I'm on any of the car doctor. 661 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: The mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless.