1 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: With three and out from each side. Thomas Morstead has 2 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: had in some ways his best year at thirty seven 3 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,959 Speaker 1: years old. Drives Darius Davis back and a pretty good return. 4 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 2: Goods. 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 3: Turning to great Darius Davis, he is gone. 6 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 4: There are no flags. 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 3: On the field and those are the first points on 8 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 3: this Monday night touchdown. 9 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:33,919 Speaker 1: For the rookie Eckler. 10 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 3: The touchdown machine is in and the Chargers add to 11 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 3: their lead, pour down and go and shut out of 12 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 3: the end zone. That's fitting right, there is Conklin. No 13 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 3: touchdowns allowed tonight by the Chargers, and the Chargers. 14 00:00:58,240 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: Will take over on downs. 15 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 3: Derwin James is fired up big night for this LA defense. 16 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: Some games it takes everything you got, you leave part 17 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 2: of yourself on the field, and you're okay with that 18 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 2: because that's what. 19 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 5: It took to emerge victorious, to be a winner. 20 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: Then there are games like what we witnessed at the Metalwlands, 21 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: a game where you know the bare minimum will do. 22 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: All you have to do is show up, put forth 23 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 2: a professional effort, and then the other team will just 24 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 2: self emolate right before your very eyes enter. The Los 25 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 2: Angeles Chargers, who got an early punt return, took advantage 26 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 2: of some turnovers by a miserable Jets offense and cruise 27 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: to a twenty seven to six win on Monday Night Football. 28 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 2: A woful contest in terms of unless you're a Chargers fan, 29 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 2: in terms of football entertainment. In what's the first of 30 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 2: a run of not so high primetime games, Dan Hans 31 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: is here with Greg rosehal Mark Sessler. Obviously, you guys know, 32 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna be happy about this game as I 33 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 2: talk about it. But for the Chargers, it's another nice 34 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 2: win for them in primetime. Even if it wasn't overly impressive, 35 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 2: they end up winning by over twenty points, so it 36 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 2: ain't all bad. 37 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 1: Right. 38 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 4: It was crazy this whole game, thinking I can't believe 39 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 4: they're only up by this much. But then you would 40 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 4: look at Justin Herbert's numbers, and you would look at 41 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 4: Zach Wilson's numbers, and they were exactly the same, except 42 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 4: one takes a ton of sacks and one fumbles and 43 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 4: one turns in a bad place to worst plays, and 44 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 4: that's Zack Wilson. It wasn't Justin Herbert. But I do 45 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 4: think you got to give the Chargers defense some credits, like, oh, 46 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 4: they played the Bears. All they played. The Bears played 47 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 4: two good offensive games sandwiched around that one where they 48 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 4: dominated as bad as the Jets offense has been. And 49 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 4: they've only topped three hundred yards in a game twice. 50 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 4: So this wasn't, you know, the whole season, So this 51 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 4: wasn't totally out of the ordin This is the least 52 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 4: they've scored, this is the most sacks that Zach Wilson 53 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 4: has taken. They turned the ball over three times, and 54 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 4: they're getting good play from Joey Bosa, Khalil Mack and 55 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 4: Tully Polozu. So it's been such a bad Chargers defense 56 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 4: for so long under Staley that even the last month 57 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 4: where they've they've looked pretty good. It's it's baby steps, 58 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 4: but it's something for them to at least feel like 59 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 4: maybe they got a future. 60 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you're right. I mean, it's like it's 61 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,679 Speaker 6: much easier to focus on, you know. And I think 62 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 6: Troy Aikman was doing this, like what is happening with 63 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 6: the Jets and why it's not working? It's so obvious 64 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 6: to us all. But what I see is like another 65 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 6: one of these examples. There's a couple teams out there 66 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 6: like this where it's like you've got a Jets defense 67 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 6: that held a good Chargers offense to one hundred and 68 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 6: ninety one total yards at three point four yards per carry. 69 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 6: They looked helpless, and it's like there's two This Jets 70 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 6: team is split right down the middle, and it's cracked 71 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 6: like an egg because the other side of the all 72 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 6: can't do it's it's it's part. And I just felt 73 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 6: like the cutaways to Robert Solid tonight, it was a 74 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 6: man a drift, and I think it's it's fair for 75 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 6: him to feel that way. It's also fair to look 76 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 6: at an organization that Dan, I think you tweeted about 77 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 6: this did nothing about the quarterback position before the trade deadline, 78 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 6: maybe overly loyal to the concept of Zach Wilson. I 79 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 6: think even a week ago, it's like you went into 80 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 6: this game saying, he's improving, there's hope here, there's X, 81 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 6: Y and Z. But it came to fruition tonight where 82 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 6: that's just simply not going to you know, it's not 83 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 6: going to carry you through the rest of this season, 84 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 6: And like, my hope for the Jets is damaged a 85 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 6: little because of what we saw tonight. It's it's I 86 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 6: don't know what to say. I feel like we've run 87 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 6: through all the narratives on Zach Wilson, We've run through 88 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 6: the narratives on this offense, and it's like, what do 89 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 6: you say at this point? 90 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: I mean, I've been yelling about it for weeks that 91 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 2: it's absurd and it's embarrassing that they did not protect 92 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 2: themselves after Aaron Rodgers went down, knowing what they had 93 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 2: seen two years from Zach Wilson, that he's ineffective quarterback, way. 94 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 5: In over his head. 95 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 2: And then you look around the league and you see 96 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 2: what Tyson bage It has done for Chicago, which is 97 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 2: like move the ball at least. And you look at 98 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 2: what Josh Doobbs just did from Minnesota, a guy that 99 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,119 Speaker 2: they got, you know, moved I think from pick two 100 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 2: hundred to two twenty to get Dobbs in that building. 101 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 2: And then you look at a team like the Jets 102 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 2: that sat on their hands at the trade deadline, did 103 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 2: not react after the stunning Rogers injury. And that's not 104 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 2: all I thought. This game, all the Jets' warts were 105 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 2: on clear display in front of the national audience. And 106 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 2: if you've been listening to the show and paying attention, 107 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 2: Like I haven't been a cheerleader about this Jets team 108 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 2: the last few weeks, even though they were on a 109 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 2: winning streak. I don't believe Robert Sala is a difference 110 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 2: maker as a head coach. I don't believe that Nathaniel 111 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 2: Hackett is a guy that should be an offensive coordinator 112 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 2: if Aaron Rodgers isn't his quarterback. I don't believe the 113 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 2: offensive line is competitive with these injuries. And I don't 114 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 2: believe Zach Wilson is somebody that's going to take them 115 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 2: to the playoffs because he's gonna just keep killing him. 116 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 2: And I was getting into some Twitter skirmishes with Jets 117 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 2: fans because there's a faction of Jets fans that will 118 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 2: defend Zach Wilson because they're drinking the kool aid that 119 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: Joe Douglas and Robert Sala, who I do not feel 120 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 2: bad for because he's played. 121 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 5: A part in this. 122 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 2: Zach Wilson is secretly getting better a campaign that is 123 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 2: totally bs that you can't just look at what's happening 124 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 2: here and blame everything on Zach Wilson. 125 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 5: That's what they'll tell you. 126 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 2: And that's fair because the offensive line is weighing over 127 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 2: its head. But at the same time, a lot of 128 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 2: things go back to the quarterback. And Greg I thought 129 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 2: you put it well at the top, like there are 130 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 2: quarterbacks who can take a bad situation and make them better. 131 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 2: There's bad quarter There are types of quarterbacks that take 132 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 2: a bad situation and things stay level, and then there's 133 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 2: the Zach Wilson's who are in a bad situation and 134 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 2: make things worse. And you saw that clear on clear display. 135 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 2: Even though he didn't throw interceptions, he did everything else poorly. 136 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 2: And Troy Aikman is going nuts for the second time 137 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 2: on Monday Night Football in three months this year. Absolutely 138 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: you could hear him pulling his hair out because he 139 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 2: cannot watch this guy play at this level. 140 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, I started writing down some of like the sarcastic 141 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 4: Troy Aikman bits. There was one thing coming out of 142 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 4: halftime and he said, well, you know, you would think 143 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 4: they'll improve in the second half. He's like, you would 144 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 4: think the law of averages would say they would. And 145 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 4: on that play where Zach Wilson spun out of a sack, 146 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 4: which one of the only times on that he spun 147 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 4: out of it, and it looked like he was going 148 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 4: to make a nice play, but then he misses the 149 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 4: easy throw to the sideline. He's like, he did the 150 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 4: hard part, you know, just like through throughout the game, 151 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 4: he said, He's like, I probably don't need to tell you, 152 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 4: you know, when it was a fourth down that they 153 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 4: struggle on this down too, and you could hear the 154 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 4: frustration from Troy. And that's a fun Troy Aikman. But 155 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 4: I'm sure it's not a fun broadcast to be a 156 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 4: Jets fan list, but you're also sharing it. I think 157 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 4: the comparison between him and Herbert is interesting tonight because 158 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 4: Herbert didn't make many big plays. Herbert's numbers are are woeful, 159 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 4: sixteen for thirty for one thirty six. It was one 160 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 4: of the worst days of Herbert's career. But he knows 161 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 4: how to manage a game. He saw what this game was. 162 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 4: He realized he just needs to avoid sacks, avoid mistakes. 163 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 4: The Jets hit him nine times in the first half, 164 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 4: thirteen times overall, and so he took five sacks. That's 165 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 4: a lot of sacks, actually, but Jack Wilson was hit 166 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 4: seven times. He took six sacks. 167 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 6: He fumbled it. 168 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 4: He made a lot of bad situations worse, and Herbert 169 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 4: saw where he was. He was gifted good field position 170 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 4: and he was gifted the punt return. And he was 171 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 4: just playing the game as if like I need to 172 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 4: just lamd this ship without making any big mistakes and 173 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 4: get out of here with a win. And that's what 174 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 4: he did. 175 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 2: And in fairness, Herbert did on one of his sacks 176 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 2: also fumbled the ball, but they had some. 177 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:54,719 Speaker 4: He had one near interception too. 178 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a good game he played. I mean, 179 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 2: gret Mark the Jets defense. You know, it's only a 180 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 2: matter of time now before you start hearing stories about 181 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 2: this Jets defense really starting to bubble over with frustration 182 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 2: because of the offense. It happened last year and now 183 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 2: it's just a matter of time because that was a 184 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 2: very embarrassing loss despite them playing very well. 185 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 6: Right, Like the DNA is already there, like this this 186 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 6: happened a year ago, and like I think the most 187 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 6: frustrating thing is that that felt like a bad dream. 188 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 6: You're back in it. There's this mythological concept that Aaron 189 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 6: Rodgers will come back at this point, But you know 190 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 6: what I wonder, like in another parallel universe, like how 191 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 6: different would this be because I look at this offensive 192 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 6: line and I think that's one of the biggest problems here. 193 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 6: Obviously it's been a disaster, like Billy Turner was destroyed tonight, 194 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 6: but they've had about three hundred and seventy eight line combinations, 195 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 6: and it's fair to wonder if Aaron Rodgers wouldn't have 196 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 6: suffered behind that too, it would be a better like 197 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 6: ecosystem in general. But it's a terrible situation for a 198 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 6: young quarterback. And I don't think you know, fight adding 199 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 6: these wide receivers that Aaron Rodgers wanted to pluck from 200 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 6: the universe, Like it's not a great wide receiver group 201 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 6: beyond Garrett Wilson, and it's just like this side of 202 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 6: the ball is a drift at sea, totally lost. And 203 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 6: you've got this defense that feels to me like one 204 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 6: of the greatest wasted defenses that we've seen in the 205 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 6: last decade, because they can what they did to Justin 206 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 6: Herbert tonight is extremely notable, and what they've been doing 207 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 6: to quarterbacks week after week is notable. And it's like 208 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 6: it's getting lost in the shuffle of one of the 209 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 6: worst offenses that we witnessed. 210 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,719 Speaker 2: I'm Glad you said that, Mark, because you're right, this 211 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 2: is not a super Bowl team, even with Aaron Rodgers 212 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 2: healthy because of the offensive line and again, Nathaniel Hackett, 213 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 2: like Billy Turner, is getting lit up over and over 214 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 2: and over on that right side, and at no point 215 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 2: do they change anything to help him out or take 216 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 2: him out of the game, and they just expect things 217 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 2: to get better. And you're right, Rogers did pave the 218 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 2: way for Randall Cobb being on this team, who was 219 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 2: mercifully phased out finally after the bye. He was the 220 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 2: worst wide receiver in the league by some metrics, and 221 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 2: Alan Lazard has not been their number two. There was 222 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 2: reporting out there that Devonte Adams was some of they 223 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 2: were hot for above ahead of the trade deadline. But Greg, 224 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 2: to your point about pushing the trade deadline back a week, 225 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 2: I think there was some bad luck there with what 226 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 2: was going on with the Raiders at that moment. But 227 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 2: that also tells you that the Jets understand a couple 228 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 2: of things. That Lazard is not a number two, that 229 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 2: the Cob is not a real slot receiver, and now 230 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,719 Speaker 2: I hope they're learning that Zach Wilson is not a quarterback. 231 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 2: But I'm gonna guess, as we throw to some Robert 232 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: solid postgame sound, that he still believes in the kid 233 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 2: and there is room for growth. 234 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 5: Rob take it away. 235 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 6: Was this a step back for Zach Robert? 236 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 7: I don't know if you can say step back. You know, 237 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 7: there's like I said, there's it's all encompassing. Like you know, 238 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 7: obviously he's gonna want some things that he wishes he 239 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 7: could have done better, you know, from him from protection 240 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 7: the it's just a little bit of everything. 241 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 5: It's just. 242 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 7: One of those bizarre games. It's just every time we 243 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 7: had momentum, like I said, just a self inflicted wound wound. 244 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 7: Was it his best game? Obviously not. Was it his 245 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 7: worst game? No, I'm not gonna say it was even 246 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 7: close to his worst game. 247 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 6: Wait a minute, like that emphatically says it's not even 248 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 6: close to his worst game. 249 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 4: Some of those bad games, like they were pretty bad. 250 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 5: Sala Is not sala Is. 251 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: I don't know if is he not smart enough to 252 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 2: see it? Maybe he's just the wool is over his 253 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 2: eyes here, But if he's packing up his stuff in 254 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 2: a box in January, uh, it's gonna be because he 255 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 2: was not he was complicit and how this all has 256 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 2: gone down after Rogers' injury. 257 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 4: I mean, well, they're not good at a quarterback evaluation 258 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 4: by any logical metric, you know, just because they got 259 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 4: in with Zach Wilson that ended up being a bad pick. 260 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 4: A lot of teams I think would have made it, 261 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 4: but sticking with him last year and versus you know, 262 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 4: like the Mike Whites of the world and stuff, and 263 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 4: sticking with them through that and the way that they 264 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 4: didn't get anyone this year. But when you start the game, 265 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 4: I just even think, like back to that first drive, 266 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 4: like these things kind of let you know what kind 267 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 4: of Zach Wilson knight it's gonna be. The very first 268 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 4: throw was like to the moon. It wasn't even close 269 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 4: to his receiver. And then the next very next throw 270 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 4: almost got his receiver killed. And those are like the 271 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 4: first dude throws. And I just felt even in that 272 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 4: moments like, oh, it's gonna be one of those nights. 273 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 4: And the Charters defense feels it. You almost can see 274 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 4: the teams love to play the Jets because Joey Bosa 275 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 4: and Mac and Tula Pilotu like they can rack up 276 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 4: sack numbers. The secondary, which has been a disaster this year, 277 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 4: can fly around and make big hits. I think Alloie 278 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 4: Gillman does add something to this team. He came back 279 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 4: last week and he's a real player there at safety. 280 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 4: But there there's kind of a frenzy of like, ooh, 281 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 4: we can really tee off. I haven't seen a charge 282 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 4: of defense. I can even do that against bad defenses 283 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 4: in a while. So that's that's progress. But I think 284 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 4: it gives a defense a lot of confidence when you 285 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 4: just start the game like that. 286 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 6: And Dan, I think it's ominous that all this was 287 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 6: taking place while Arnold Schwarzenegger was introducing the nation and 288 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 6: an international audience to his pet Donkey. It just seemed 289 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 6: like too many things were happening at once here. 290 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 2: You know, I'll take this step further. Even before that 291 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 2: first series, Greg, they showed Wilson coming out of the 292 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 2: tunnel before kickoff, and it's it's like, this is not 293 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 2: a starting quarterback who's going to be successful. 294 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 5: I'm not gonna say he looks scared. He just looked. 295 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 2: He just looked like he was about a million miles 296 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 2: away from New Jersey and certainly not someone that was 297 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 2: about to step on the field and make plays, and 298 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 2: he didn't. And I just I want because I think 299 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 2: these things get flattened out and it's gonna be like, oh, 300 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 2: you know, you're just saying everything's on the quarterback. It's 301 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 2: not only on the quarterback. There are a lot of 302 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 2: things wrong with this team. To Mark's point, I think 303 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 2: one thing that's been made clear, uh, through these eight 304 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 2: weeks is that the Jets offense was flawed in a 305 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 2: lot of ways. And Rogers I don't think was gonna 306 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 2: ride in and make this a top ten offense. I 307 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 2: think that would have been a storyline around this team 308 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: if he was there. But even if he doesn't blow 309 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 2: his achilles on the fourth play, which is just rotten luck, 310 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 2: what's the chances he's healthy at this point of the 311 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 2: season with this offensive line, which was started out as 312 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 2: a question mark, then it got snowed under by injury. 313 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 2: So I just I struggle to take the Jets seriously. 314 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 2: They might hang around because of that defense and steal 315 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 2: a couple more games, but this is what it looks 316 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 2: like when they the defense, as good as it played today, 317 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 2: didn't have those big turnovers. This is what it can 318 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 2: look like because the offense is that bad. And it 319 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 2: was just as bad last week against the Giants. Uh, 320 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 2: And I don't give them any automatics going further, going 321 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 2: further next week, what it's gonna be Billy Turner against 322 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: Max Crosby. 323 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 5: Good luck to that, Good luck man. 324 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 4: You don't want Yeah, you don't want to lose to 325 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 4: Pierce and O'Connell. But who knows. They're a team that 326 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 4: I feel like is going to be in every game. 327 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 4: And despite the final score, they were in this That's 328 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 4: the crazy thing about it is they held Justin Herbert 329 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 4: in the Chargers, so I know have been struggling. I 330 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 4: think it's fair to say the Chargers aren't a good 331 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 4: offense at this point. 332 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 5: I can't take them seriously either. 333 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 4: They were a good offense. Yeah, for the first month 334 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 4: of the season. They've lost Mike Williams, they've lost Joshua Palmer, 335 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 4: and they haven't been a good offense now for about 336 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 4: five weeks. So that's a pretty long stretch here. They 337 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 4: had the good, pretty good game against the Bears, but 338 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 4: even that was like a half, and it was against 339 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 4: the Bears, but they held Herbert to three point four 340 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 4: or the Charges to three point four yards per play. 341 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 4: It was actually better when they ran the ball. It 342 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 4: was three point one yards per pass per dropback there 343 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 4: for the Chargers, so like they got one drive, it 344 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 4: was an eight minute drive at the end of the 345 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 4: third quarter into the fourth quarter where they hit four 346 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 4: straight third and it felt like old school Chargers in 347 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 4: that it was like run two yards, run negative one yards. 348 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 4: And then Herbert hits a nice throw on third and nine, 349 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 4: and they did that for about three throws and then 350 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 4: Keenan Allen made the one exciting offensive play of the 351 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 4: night with that jumping catch and great a great Charger 352 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 4: goes over ten thousand yards for his career, which is 353 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 4: pretty cool, second all time in team history. He has 354 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 4: said he really wants to pass Antonio Gates. He's got 355 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 4: a shot to do it. He would probably have to 356 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 4: play two more years. Like that was the nicest offensive 357 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 4: moment of the night. But then that was it, and they, 358 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 4: you know, their drives stopped right there too, like most 359 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 4: of their drives stopped. The difference was they weren't like 360 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 4: giving up twenty yards and getting blown out of field 361 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 4: goal range. They would just stay in field goal range 362 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 4: and they would hit their little field goal and they 363 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 4: only scored thirteen points on offense. 364 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 2: It was the feeling when you're as you're watching the game, 365 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 2: like the Chargers were like almost like will hunting on 366 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 2: the chalkboard, trying to figure out some type of equation, 367 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 2: what that will allow them to let the Jets back 368 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 2: in the game, and they were just like, we can't. 369 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 2: We want to charge of this and make it come 370 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 2: down to the last drive, but there's no mathematical possibility 371 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 2: that the Jets as they're currently constituted right now will 372 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 2: make this interesting. So they're like, all right, I guess 373 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 2: we'll just win twenty seven. 374 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 6: I I with you. I mean I thought, I honestly 375 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 6: thought that, Like I don't recall too many games where 376 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 6: I thought that. Justin Herbert, I mean, he was floating 377 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 6: through a dark dream during the first part of this. 378 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 6: It's like, that's what's so frustrating to me. It's like, 379 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 6: great for Keenan Allen, I'm happy for him, but that's 380 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 6: what the Chargers are. It's like these these benchmark statistical 381 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 6: moments for these players, the team achieves nothing on the whole, 382 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 6: and like justin Herbert tonight, like this is what's so 383 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 6: frustrating about this experience. The Jets defense took a great 384 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 6: quarterback and made them look completely lost for big chunks 385 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 6: of this game and it amounts to nothing. I just 386 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 6: find that so frustrating. Like, I mean, we haven't seen 387 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 6: I had not seen a game with Justin Herbert at 388 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 6: the helm like that, and the Jets can do that, 389 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 6: and they've done that to multiple quarterbacks and that's where 390 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 6: we're left, and it's like, you know what, Sorry, it's 391 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 6: like it's with no one's a lot of say thing 392 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 6: about Nathaniel Hackett now because it was unpopular what happened 393 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 6: to him a couple of months ago, but like, where 394 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 6: is the creativity help this tee? 395 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 5: You could you could criticize it, and well, I know. 396 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 6: I know, you know what I mean. Though, it's like 397 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 6: I thought that was it was way too severe, like 398 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,479 Speaker 6: when it happened, and like he's he's he seems like 399 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 6: a wonderful guy. So it's like it's not the first 400 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 6: person I want to like take aim At. I just 401 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 6: want to fly around like a butterfly exactly like I 402 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 6: like him. But like there's just there's just like no answer. 403 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 5: He's many problems with that offense, no doubt, So I 404 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 5: don't want to. 405 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 6: I don't want to keep going on the same road. 406 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 6: But it's just like it's so frustrating to watch a 407 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 6: great NFL defense, which is very rare in twenty twenty three, 408 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 6: capsized and left on an island the way they are. 409 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 4: I know, when when it was Huff and Jermaine Johnson, 410 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 4: I was thinking, I'm with you, maybe Salah's not a 411 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 4: difference making coach, but I was thinking of the difference 412 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 4: between him and Staley, who were hired the same year. 413 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 4: They're both third year head coaches, both a little n battled, 414 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 4: could you know, use a playoff run or a nice season, 415 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 4: and at least Sala like you see his imprint. You 416 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 4: see what they are. You see the vision on defense, 417 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 4: and you see that they were able to build that 418 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 4: vision and a lot of it's with you know, new 419 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 4: players like Johnson and Huff has become a good player 420 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 4: under him, and it's like they have something that's his. 421 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 4: Staley is a defensive coach and you're you're not really 422 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 4: sure what he is because their offense is always changing 423 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 4: and like so Salah has something. 424 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 5: To hold on to. 425 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 4: The problem is that their offensive line is the what 426 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 4: their GM is trying to build and that's been a 427 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 4: total disaster four years in. I guess, and you know 428 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 4: that's it. 429 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 2: My salad thing is more. I think he's a little 430 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 2: more sizzle than steak. I think one guy doesn't get 431 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,959 Speaker 2: enough credit is Jeff Olbrick, their defensive coordinator, And they 432 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 2: have so much talent on that side of the ball. Like, 433 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 2: if the defense wasn't balling out, Sala would be the 434 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 2: worst coach. 435 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 5: In the league. 436 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 2: But I just think his leadership, I don't know, sometimes 437 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 2: at least something that be his And I like these 438 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 2: they are dreadful. They're even worse than the Giants in 439 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 2: the first quarter in terms of scoring opposition They're they're 440 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 2: minus three trillion about And I don't know. I just 441 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 2: think there's a lot to be concerned about right now 442 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 2: where we are this Monday night. Is a Jets fan, 443 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 2: there's a lot to be concerned about. The only the 444 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 2: only good thing before we take a break, The only 445 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 2: thing I could take out of tonight is like Jets 446 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 2: fan misery, big w over Chargers gonna Chargers Nation, Like 447 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 2: in terms of like what it sucks to be uh, 448 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 2: it definitely sucks way worse to be a Jets fan 449 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 2: than a Chargers fan at least tonight. Tonight we got 450 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 2: that w take that Charger is gonna Charger. We showed 451 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 2: you what it's really all about to be miserable just 452 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 2: in the season. 453 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 5: Baby damn. Let's take a break. All right? That was great. 454 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 5: I love that We're. 455 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 2: Gonna keep on talking football, So let's move and hit 456 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 2: some news. What happened in the NFL since we last 457 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 2: spoke with you. And by the way, before we get 458 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 2: to the news, every Monday, we do an NFL Plus 459 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 2: Game of the Week special and you could get that 460 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 2: on NFL Plus with a subscription here in the states. 461 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 2: Outside the country, I believe we're on Doaz own. I 462 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 2: hope we're on his own. We better be on his own. 463 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,479 Speaker 4: Tell us if you're watching us on his zonne, let 464 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 4: us know. 465 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 5: Yes, please let us know. 466 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 2: We broke down the Eagles versus Cowboys banger and watched 467 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 2: it and had a good mark. 468 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 5: We had a good time doing it, didn't we. 469 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 6: I think that it's, you know, an exercise that we've 470 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 6: been working on weekly. I thought today was the most 471 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 6: fun yet. And it was a thorny game with lots 472 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 6: of plot points, and you know, we went at it 473 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 6: in multiple ways. 474 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 4: So like those two teams definitely feel like they're in 475 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 4: a different league than the Chargers and the Jets, and 476 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 4: they are. They're in a league of like teams that 477 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 4: could win the Super Bowl. And that was now what 478 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 4: we saw tonight. 479 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 5: True contenders. 480 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 2: Correct, And this is actually a free trial week for 481 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 2: NFL Plus, so you can access that. We'll send out 482 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 2: a link on atn's handle. All right, let's start with 483 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 2: the Cardinals. Head coach Jonathan Gannon said, Kyler Murray will 484 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 2: start in Week ten against the Falcons. That from our 485 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 2: own Omar Ruiz or buddy, what a good guy Omar is. 486 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 2: If all goes well in practice this week, that's the one, 487 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 2: you know disclaimer there, as long as he doesn't have 488 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 2: a setback with his knee, he's going to take reps 489 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 2: with the starters and he will make his debut against 490 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 2: the Falcons. 491 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 6: Mark your thoughts, well, I just I you know, for me, 492 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 6: I came into the season thinking he might be traded, 493 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 6: They might find a way to cajole us into believing 494 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 6: that there was a reason to sit him the entire 495 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 6: season because of their tank situation. But you know what 496 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 6: they have like already two number one picks and a 497 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 6: second and I think three thirds and a fourth and 498 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 6: multiple fifths, so they're well stocked. And I think if 499 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 6: any from another angle, if you're Jonathan Gannon, you're the 500 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 6: coaching staff, like a post Cliff Kingsbury view at what 501 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 6: Kyler Murray can be in this offense, with this team, 502 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 6: with this roster is good self scouting. And from another angle, 503 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 6: if he plays well, if you wanted to move on, 504 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 6: like move on from him and like pick up a 505 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 6: different quarterback in the draft, you can elevate his trade 506 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 6: value if he plays well. So I kind of see 507 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 6: from another angle competitive angle, because the Cardinals have from 508 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 6: the beginning sort of said we're gonna try to win 509 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 6: these games. Are roster is not going to allow us 510 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 6: to do that. But I think about a month end 511 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 6: of the year, I was like, yeah, I think they're 512 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 6: gonna play Kyler Murray. And I think as soon as 513 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 6: they feel he's ready to go, let's go for the 514 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 6: ride and see where we end wind up. In January. 515 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 4: It's at an interesting time though I did not necessarily 516 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 4: think Kyler Murray was gonna play this year, and I'm 517 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 4: glad to be proven wrong. Maybe those cynical thought. They 518 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 4: have the number one overall picked as of this recording, 519 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 4: and there's two quarterback prospects in this class, Kayleb Williams 520 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 4: and Drake May that you know coming into the draft 521 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 4: are probably going to be higher touted than any quarterback 522 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 4: of the last two years, at least, like they would 523 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 4: have been higher than In Stroud and Bryce Young. And 524 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 4: they're real deal one two type of guys. Kyler Murray 525 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,239 Speaker 4: is probably good enough to get them out of that 526 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 4: top two where they won't even have a chance to 527 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 4: necessary to take us. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it won't be. 528 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 4: This team is pretty rough and they're pretty injured. Their 529 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 4: running backs are all injured, Michael Wilson, they're nice rookie 530 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 4: receivers injured, Zach Ertz is injured. Like it's a terrible defense. 531 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 4: Like they're still a mess. Maybe they will have a 532 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 4: top two pick. 533 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 2: But they could chase Kyler Murray and get a number 534 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 2: one there or two and then wheel and deal to 535 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 2: try and move up the board. 536 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 5: They're different fare Yeah. 537 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 4: That's true, Like they could have the five overall pick 538 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 4: and if Kyler Murray's available, it's true, but it does 539 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 4: you know, certainly integrity, and I think a genuine belief 540 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 4: that they want Kyler Murray to be their future quarterback 541 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 4: is what the point I'm trying to get to. And 542 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 4: I think they would love him to play well and 543 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 4: make them feel good about having Kyler Murray, which makes sense, 544 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 4: makes sense? 545 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I hear it. 546 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,120 Speaker 2: I feel like it's a nice sample size for them, 547 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 2: although it should be to be fair to Kyler Murrady, 548 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 2: expect the guy come back from reconstructive knee surgery. 549 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 5: I don't know what. 550 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 2: You shouldn't judge him too harshly on how the next 551 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 2: nine weeks go or whatever, but they get another look 552 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 2: at him before making a huge franchise decision. The Giants 553 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 2: made a huge franchise decision when they gave Danny Dimes 554 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 2: a one hundred and sixty million contract dollar contract extension. 555 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 5: This offseason, and one of. 556 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 2: The worst seasons in recent franchise history, hit its rock 557 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 2: bottom moment on Monday when it was confirmed that Jones 558 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 2: tore is acl in the loss to the Raiders. Tyrod 559 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 2: Taylor's out at least three more games with his rib injury, 560 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 2: so it will be there is the kid Tommy de 561 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 2: Vito starting. Let's listen to Dable. 562 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 8: Yeah, well we have de Vito Barkley's on a practice squad, 563 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 8: and you know we haven't been back for We've been 564 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 8: back for less than twelve hours. So you know, I 565 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 8: have some meetings today with Joe as a day goes on, 566 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 8: and we'll see where it goes. 567 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 9: Yeah. 568 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 5: No, I think Tommy did a good job. 569 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 8: But again, I'm not going to give you one thing, 570 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 8: and it's a different thing. I have confidence in Tommy. 571 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 8: He's done a good job. But I, you know, I 572 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 8: sit down and talk with Joe and figure out what's next. 573 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 5: Greg. 574 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 2: The Giants are steaming toward four and thirteen, which is 575 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 2: going to give them a top five pick as well. 576 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 5: Daniel Jones. 577 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 2: Yes, it was one hundred and sixty one hundred and 578 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 2: sixty million dollar extension, but there's only one year left 579 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 2: of guaranteed money after this year, so they are very 580 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 2: much in position to go after a QB as well. 581 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:56,479 Speaker 4: Right, and Danny Dimes, Yeah, he's guaranteed thirty five million 582 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 4: next year, so he's he's either on the roster or 583 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 4: you're just eating that or or trading that and paying 584 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 4: for it if you got a topic. But I don't 585 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 4: know that they might be in the in the position 586 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 4: right after the Bears. Now the Bears owned the Panthers pick. 587 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 4: The two of them play each other, which is bizarre 588 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 4: on Thursday night, and so they own both of those picks, 589 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 4: so they have a good chance. But you throw the 590 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 4: Giants in there, you throw the Cardinals in there, maybe 591 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 4: the Patriots, And this is a really strong top three too, 592 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 4: because Marvin Harrison's son is like another generational receiver pick, 593 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 4: but he's probably going top three too, And like, these 594 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 4: picks are gonna be valuable. And the Giants, who knows 595 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 4: they to me, they're the team I could see of 596 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 4: all those teams that might not win a game the 597 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 4: rest of the season if they're starting to Vito or Barkley. 598 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 4: Sounded like he was leaving a little room there to 599 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 4: maybe switch to Barkley, which which is possible, but I'm 600 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 4: not sure that's gonna make much of a difference. 601 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 6: I think, like it's pretty interesting that Brian Dable was 602 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 6: hired to be a QB whisper, But he's telling the 603 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 6: nation with a bit of a smarmy look on his 604 00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 6: face that Tommy DeVito played pretty well, So something fishy 605 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 6: is going on. Here, and I kind of like it. 606 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 6: If you're a Giants fan, you've got to get through 607 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 6: two tough months. But what they're trying to do is 608 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 6: tell you we're gonna have a whole different quarterback that 609 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 6: you never even heard of in the pro system in 610 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 6: a couple months. He's gonna be one of the top 611 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,959 Speaker 6: college quarterbacks around. That's what Brian Dables. 612 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 2: Is it smarmy or do you mean more? Was it 613 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 2: like the I mean that has the canary in its 614 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 2: mouth like a. 615 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,959 Speaker 6: Little yeah, just sort of like sitting there like, yo, 616 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 6: I think listen, guys, like I know what I'm talking about. 617 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 6: And Tommy DeVito looked pretty good out there. It's like, 618 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 6: I'm sorry, Like if you're a child that's been watching 619 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 6: football for twelve months, you know that's not the case. 620 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 6: But we'll all sitting buy it. 621 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 5: Well, what's he going to say? Mark? 622 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 6: I know? But like, but I think because I think 623 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 6: the larger plan is gets through a terrible nuclear winner 624 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 6: and you come out in the spring with one of 625 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 6: the top college quarterbacks and Brian Dables back sitting on 626 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 6: the throne. 627 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 4: Well it's crazy though, coming off that Jones contract. I 628 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 4: mean it is I feel bad for Daniel Jones of 629 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 4: course with that injury, because it was as ugly at 630 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 4: season that could be, and he was bruised and battered. 631 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 4: And now we're at the point where it's like, is 632 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 4: Daniel Jones ever going to play for the Giants again? 633 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 4: Maybe not if they get the top five pick, and 634 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 4: if he is available, think of those teams, like who 635 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 4: would be available off the teams justin fields, Kyler Murray, 636 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 4: maybe Daniel Jones, maybe Mac Jones for your third round pick. 637 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 4: You know, like I don't know, I don't know what 638 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 4: he would really fetch in the market, but a lot 639 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 4: of quarterbacks could be available. 640 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 5: Saucy Zach Wilson. 641 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 2: In other news, the Vikings not a surprise here. They 642 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 2: planned to start Joshua Dobbs against the Saints after his 643 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 2: three touchdown relief effort against. 644 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 5: Who's against the Falcons? I believe who and they get Kyler. 645 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 4: They're just kind of in the crosshairs of all these 646 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 4: Cardinals Qbs. 647 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 2: So that is logical and we'll see what Dobbs can 648 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 2: do with some more reps. Behind the scenes there bad 649 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 2: news for cam Akers, who came back from an achilles 650 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 2: injury actually became the first guy ever to tear his 651 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 2: achilles and then not miss an entire year back for 652 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 2: the Super Bowl with the Rams a couple of years ago, 653 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 2: but now tore's achilles again with the Vikings, and he 654 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 2: is obviously out for the season and a running back 655 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 2: two achilles. Taras h you don't. You hate to say it, 656 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 2: but the chances are we might not see cam Akers 657 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 2: around anymore. 658 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 5: But good luck to him. 659 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 2: And finally, Taylor Heineke, he will remain the starter for 660 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 2: the Atlanta Falcons. 661 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 5: I guess he did enough. 662 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 2: To convince Arthur Smith that he is the better option 663 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 2: than Desmond Ritter. 664 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 5: I believe Arthur Smith shaved his mustache. Let's let's listen 665 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 5: into Artie. 666 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 10: Going to this week. We'll call with Taylor this week 667 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 10: and you'll kind of reassess after this week going into 668 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 10: the bye. Uh, you know, there's always things to work on. 669 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 10: You know, he's played the last six six quarters, and 670 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 10: you know he scored forty eight points with him back there. Uh, 671 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 10: absolutely one more than that. But it's just that'll be 672 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 10: the plan which week. 673 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 5: I mean, I can't take him seriously, but God, go ahead. 674 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 6: Wait a minute, like hold on, I will say one 675 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 6: thing for him, he had created a somewhat edgy, edgier 676 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 6: version of himself, looks wise, and he went back to 677 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 6: he now looks like his own dad. Like I liked 678 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 6: what he had going on before, So I'm not but. 679 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 4: You need to be maybe you need to be winning. 680 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 4: Like he hasn't earned that mustache. He wasn't speaking with 681 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 4: as much huts by either. I feel like now he's 682 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 4: kind of backpedaling. 683 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 2: Didn't his father is any a billionaire that founded FedEx. 684 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 6: No, but I'm saying he maybe looks like his Well, 685 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 6: first of all, it doesn't help when you take the 686 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 6: older look, which he just did there, and you've got 687 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 6: this gigantic like IBM, like they're sponsored by IBM. It's 688 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 6: like IBM just reminds us of like dads from the 689 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 6: eighties and nineties. So don't love that. But like Arthur 690 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 6: Smith seemed very morose there, a little downtrodden. I think 691 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 6: that his you know, words of wisdom to the press 692 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 6: have fallen on deaf ears. Finally, there's a lot of people, 693 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 6: you know, riled up about what he's had to say, 694 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 6: and I think he's, you know, it's gotten back to him. 695 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 4: I think they have a buy coming up. So at 696 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 4: some point we're probably gonna see Desmond Ridder again this season, 697 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 4: but ultimately Arthur Smith hopes we don't because that means 698 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 4: Taylor Heineke is on a heater and they don't have 699 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 4: to go back to him. But most likely we will 700 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 4: see Desmond Ritter again at some point. 701 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 5: Let's take a look at Arthur Smith's dad. Let's see 702 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 5: what a billionaire looks like. 703 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 4: We have a picture that's Fred. 704 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 2: Smith right there. Yeah, it looks like a guy that 705 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 2: makes decisions that are successful in terms of the bottom line. 706 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 5: Looks like a guy that stays in the black. 707 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 6: Looks rich. 708 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 2: Jamar Chase, good job, you're muffsmark A good job by 709 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 2: Chris Collinsworth on the Sunday Night Football telecast. Jamar Chase 710 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 2: went up for a ball in the second half of 711 00:33:55,320 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 2: their win against the Bills and came down wickedly hard. 712 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:08,240 Speaker 2: That makes me think of the John Travolta introducing Dina 713 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 2: Menzel at the Grammys a couple of years ago, or 714 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 2: maybe it was the Oscars, and he butchered her name, 715 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 2: and he knew he was in trouble as he's reading 716 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 2: the teleprompter, and you could see a flash over his face. 717 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,879 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I don't know how to say her name. 718 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 2: So he kind of slows down and goes the wiki 719 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 2: lit Dean Menzie. Can we find that Eric? That's a 720 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 2: good way to close the show. Can you find John 721 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,959 Speaker 2: Travalta introducing the Frozen Chick at an award show? 722 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 5: Anyway? 723 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:47,879 Speaker 2: Chris Collinsworth good dude at calling games. Sometimes, as Chase 724 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 2: hits the turf hard and lands on his back, Collinsworth, 725 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 2: a former wide receiver, says I could tell you he's 726 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 2: gonna crawl out of bed tomorrow after that because he 727 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 2: had done it himself. Jamar Chase said on Monday, I'm 728 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 2: a lit that's the best thing right now, which sounds 729 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 2: like a guy that literally probably crawled out of bed 730 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 2: with sore ribs and back and uh it's it looks 731 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 2: like we're not sure if we're even gonna see him 732 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 2: on the field for Week ten's game against the Texans. 733 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 4: It's a fun little game too. I know it's a 734 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 4: little early to get into our previous Bill Stroud, little 735 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 4: Joe Burrow, you know, former Ohio State legends. Texans have 736 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 4: made this season more interesting, but yeah, we need we 737 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 4: need to bar Chase out there for that game to. 738 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 2: The Browns moved Jedrick Wills to injured reserve, a tough 739 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 2: one out six weeks with a knee injury. Mark, what 740 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,240 Speaker 2: does that do to their offensive line? 741 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 6: He's been up and down for a couple of seasons 742 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 6: in a row. They'll plug in James Hudson, who you 743 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 6: know played a little bit obviously this past weekend, has 744 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 6: played before for them. I guess for me, I feel 745 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 6: like the Browns are one of the few teams that 746 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 6: have an O line co coach and Bill Callahan that 747 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 6: can kind of like could probably take the three of 748 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 6: us and have us be somewhat serviceable for a couple 749 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 6: of snaps if need be. 750 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 3: So. 751 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,320 Speaker 6: I it's they've they you know, they lost their right tackle, 752 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 6: They've now lost their left tackle. That would do most lines. 753 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,800 Speaker 6: Cleveland has a little bit more help because of the 754 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 6: special sauce with their coaching. But you're getting close to 755 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 6: the edge. 756 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 4: Were you watching this game tonight, because you've been very 757 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 4: pro Jets on the podcast, Mark, was. 758 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 6: I watching it? I mean like, no, no, no. 759 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 4: I've gotten to what I'm asking When you were watching. 760 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 5: It got to the punchline yet, fair point? 761 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 4: Were you thinking Okay, I've been saying the Jets have 762 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 4: some magic to them. I've been rooting on, rooting them on, 763 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 4: I want them to win. Or were you thinking, well, 764 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 4: if the Jets lose, I go to sleep tonight and 765 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 4: the Browns still own that seventh spot, the entire AFC 766 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,879 Speaker 4: North is locked into the playoff seating as of week nine. 767 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 6: I wasn't projecting out that are Yeah, I was just 768 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 6: attempting to get through this viewing. I think most fans 769 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 6: were because just to your point, you know, like the 770 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 6: game that we want rewatched today Cowboys Eagles felt like 771 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,839 Speaker 6: kind of football royalty in terms of drama and what 772 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,720 Speaker 6: you'd want out of a Week nine game in the NFL, 773 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 6: and this was the polar opposite. Can be. 774 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,360 Speaker 4: Sorry to bring I'm asking. 775 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,760 Speaker 6: I'm answering the question, Hey, what about that Darius Davis. 776 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 4: Nice little ball player, you know. 777 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 6: But no, I wasn't dreaming of playoffs standings at this 778 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 6: point for anyone, and nor do I. And I'm I 779 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 6: think you're attaching me to something that I don't totally. 780 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,360 Speaker 5: Need to be being a stinky Davis. 781 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 2: Yes, Finally, in the news, sometimes Greg throws things in 782 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 2: the news and they make sense in his head. But 783 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,360 Speaker 2: I have no question to it. You Jeeves Press Colon. 784 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 2: We want to be the world's team. I don't know 785 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,240 Speaker 2: who that is, what that is. Oh, that's the president 786 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 2: of the Kansas City Chiefs. 787 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 5: I think so. 788 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 4: I just thought you were I would. I just thought 789 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 4: it was very grande. No, it wasn't Clark Hunt, though 790 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 4: it was. It was like some executive like a no. 791 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 5: I mean, if it's not Clark Hunt, what are we doing? 792 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 4: He says, Because you know they're doing the Germany game. 793 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 4: I guess they owned the NFL rights or they're one 794 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 4: of the teams that owns the rights to promote themselves 795 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 4: in Germany. You have to like negotiate and pay for 796 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 4: all this. I think the Jets are one of the 797 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 4: teams for instance in the UK. Am I right about 798 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 4: that they're there? Yeah, and so maybe they'll be giving 799 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 4: up a home game every other year to go play overseas. 800 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 4: And he said, we we don't want to be America's team, 801 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 4: we want to be the world's team. That they that 802 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,719 Speaker 4: they wouldn't be doing a service to their organization if 803 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 4: they didn't take advantage of this moment in time, with 804 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 4: the success and with the players. These were his words 805 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,880 Speaker 4: to not try to become the world's team. And I 806 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,080 Speaker 4: just thought that might be a fun little piece of 807 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:04,799 Speaker 4: meat to end this podcast on this grandiosity from the 808 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 4: Chiefs to be the world's team. 809 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 2: This is how like company presidents get the four hundred 810 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 2: thousand dollars bonus and the Jaguars like they just think 811 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 2: up these things and it comes with some type of 812 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 2: one hundred page report that they have an underling work 813 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:27,440 Speaker 2: up that features a bunch of bar graphs and arrows 814 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 2: pointing up and explanations how we can make this thing 815 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 2: that we have into something much much more lucrative. And 816 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 2: I'm sure this is one of the data points and 817 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 2: bullet points of that presentation that earned him four hundred 818 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 2: and seventy seven thousand dollars on top of his salary. 819 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like it's the it's straight, it's direct from 820 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,880 Speaker 6: it's a rocket ship from the middle manager playbook. He 821 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,360 Speaker 6: executed it well. And you know, I think we've seen 822 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 6: through some of these plans in our own career. 823 00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,040 Speaker 2: See they and he's not a middle manager, he's a 824 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 2: president apparently, but they have the same, you know playbook. 825 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,400 Speaker 2: It's just when the higher you go up, like the 826 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 2: certain initiatives actually end up, you know, reaching the masses 827 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 2: and and and you know, now we'll. 828 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 5: See if the Chiefs become truly the world's team. Good 829 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 5: luck to me. 830 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,799 Speaker 4: Those were his words, And to be clear, it was 831 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,919 Speaker 4: Chief's President Mark Donovan who did admit. It can sound 832 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 4: a little arrogant, but the opportunity exists to become the 833 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:29,360 Speaker 4: world's team. We feel like this is our era. 834 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 2: Well they when you got the quarterback that you do. Yeah, 835 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,399 Speaker 2: but why don't we start with America and then see 836 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:36,839 Speaker 2: if we can Conquergall. 837 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:41,400 Speaker 4: Forget Chiefs Kingdom. It's it's Chief's universe because in the country, 838 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 4: I think. 839 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 6: He was quoted at probably from like a German beer 840 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 6: garden where everything felt real right in the moment, you know. 841 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 5: All right, let's let's get uh, let's go out thus 842 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 5: lee Uh. 843 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 2: This is John Travolta at the Academy Awards, I believe 844 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:00,400 Speaker 2: about nine years ago. 845 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 9: There will always be a special place in my heart 846 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,280 Speaker 9: for the movie musical and for the songs that create 847 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,239 Speaker 9: their most memorable moments here to perform. The Oscar nominated 848 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 9: gorgeously empowering song let It Go from the Oscar winning 849 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 9: animated movie Frozen. Please welcome the wickedly talented one, and only. 850 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:28,640 Speaker 4: It's worse than I thought. 851 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 5: The wickedly. 852 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,480 Speaker 4: He said, Adele does em, which is pretty far from 853 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:39,720 Speaker 4: Adina Menzel. 854 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 5: The wicked let talented adele m. 855 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,800 Speaker 6: But Dan, how do you not go into that assignment 856 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 6: knowing the name? 857 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 4: Or I mean you think you think Jod Travolta is 858 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,880 Speaker 4: doing a lot of prep work for his uh thirty 859 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 4: second read at I don't know now, I do not. 860 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,759 Speaker 4: I think he's showing up. He's seeing that thing for 861 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:03,440 Speaker 4: the first. 862 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:10,160 Speaker 5: Time, all right, you know. And I love Travolta, like 863 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,040 Speaker 5: he's just one of my guys. I always root for him. 864 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 5: But uh, that was good. 865 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:16,080 Speaker 9: One. That was good. 866 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,400 Speaker 2: And by the way he finally gave it up. By 867 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,840 Speaker 2: the way, he was like the uh speaking of presidents, 868 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:23,799 Speaker 2: he was the president, he. 869 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,399 Speaker 5: Was the CEO. He was the Emperor of hair Plug, 870 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,040 Speaker 5: hair plug and or whig nation. 871 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and if I eventually he was just like you 872 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:36,600 Speaker 2: know what, and it just he went clean and he's 873 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:37,399 Speaker 2: got the lex luthor. 874 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:37,680 Speaker 5: Look. 875 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,359 Speaker 6: Yeah, I've been bald for I think four or five, 876 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 6: six seven years at this point. 877 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:47,440 Speaker 4: Something he once drove next to me on Sunset Boulevard 878 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,279 Speaker 4: in Brentwood when I was like twenty two, and I thought, well, 879 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 4: this is very la. There's troy Don Travolta and I'm 880 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,439 Speaker 4: here driving on Sunset Boulevard. I heard that a little 881 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,239 Speaker 4: just a little story with me that. 882 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,719 Speaker 2: Reminded me of driving on the one oh one with 883 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,520 Speaker 2: my brother when he was visiting Kevin Danger and uh 884 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 2: Aj the bad boy from Backstreet Boys kind of pulled 885 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 2: up in traffic next to us and my brother was like, yeah, bro, 886 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 2: Aj rock on and he just like. 887 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,160 Speaker 5: Threw him up deuces and then like zoomed off. It 888 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:19,720 Speaker 5: was awesome. 889 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,719 Speaker 4: Wait a good Danger all right? 890 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 2: Uh see, how well I'm taking the Jet loss. It's 891 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,799 Speaker 2: it's fine, Like there's nothing to get upset about. It's 892 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,880 Speaker 2: they are what they are, a deeply flawed team. And 893 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,640 Speaker 2: and to Jet fans out there that are are saying, 894 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,959 Speaker 2: just no, eight more games of Zach Wilson and then we're. 895 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 6: You can take away the takeaway for Greg and I 896 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,720 Speaker 6: and the listeners that you're an ultra professional, So immense 897 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,200 Speaker 6: respect coming back to you. And again, are you saying that. 898 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 5: I am the wikily talented profession. 899 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,600 Speaker 6: I think I'm saying that, Yeah, the wickedly. 900 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,839 Speaker 5: In play us out with Javalta one more time. Eric, 901 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:05,320 Speaker 5: We'll see you. 902 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,399 Speaker 2: Check out NFL Plus it's a free preview, and we'll 903 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,840 Speaker 2: see you on Wednesday with Connie Fox. 904 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,399 Speaker 9: There will always be a special place in my heart 905 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,520 Speaker 9: for the movie musical and for the songs that create 906 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,480 Speaker 9: their most memorable moments. Here to perform the Oscar nominated, 907 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,760 Speaker 9: gorgeously empowering song let It Go from the Oscar winning 908 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 9: animated movie Frozen. Please welcome the wickedly talented one, and 909 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:32,719 Speaker 9: only does