Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black
Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome
Speaker 1: back Man season two of All the Smoke. We got
Speaker 1: a real special guys, what's up with your brody with
Speaker 1: the virtual headshake? I'm gonna tell you that I never
Speaker 1: told him back Smoke, Welcome back to a special edition
Speaker 1: of All the Smoke All Star. With the All Star
Speaker 1: Game right around the corner, we want to take a
Speaker 1: second to kind of reflect on our experience last year,
Speaker 1: Jack's experience in the Rookie game, this coming All Star
Speaker 1: UH selections and memorable moments through All Star games in
Speaker 1: the past. Jack, Let's start with your rookie game experience. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know it's no secret your journey was a wild
Speaker 1: one to get to where you're at and you finally
Speaker 1: land on your feet and you make the rookie team
Speaker 1: your first year. What was it? Experience like it? What
Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about the journey and what
Speaker 1: you learned. It was a bit of sweet experience for me, Matt,
Speaker 1: because you know the journey I've been through with getting
Speaker 1: cut by set by at least sixteen NBA teams before
Speaker 1: I got into of the NBA, breaking both of my
Speaker 1: feet before I get to the NBA. All these things,
Speaker 1: and to finally make it where I started my first
Speaker 1: rookie game. I make it to the Rookie All Star Game,
Speaker 1: and the experience was unbelievable because it was the All
Speaker 1: Star Game, and it may be one of the top
Speaker 1: five All Star games because I got a chance to
Speaker 1: see stephan Ai really take over Allstar Game and bring
Speaker 1: them and bring their team back in d C and
Speaker 1: uh to to beat the Western Conference. That was one
Speaker 1: of the best All Star games that I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: So to be able to play in that game with
Speaker 1: guys like Baron David, Steve Francis, Darius Miles, Quinn Rich
Speaker 1: and and and then then again Matt. My team was
Speaker 1: the only team in the NBA that was starting two
Speaker 1: rookies at the time, and I was leading all rookies
Speaker 1: and scoring going into the All Star into All Star weekends.
Speaker 1: So it was a great experience. I never thought i'd
Speaker 1: be there. But coming back after All Star I didn't
Speaker 1: start no more, didn't play again the rest of the season,
Speaker 1: So I don't know if it making it made Making
Speaker 1: the All Star team was a bad thing for me.
Speaker 1: You know, because it made my value go up. But
Speaker 1: it was a great experience and I'm glad to say
Speaker 1: I experienced at one time. That's dope. I mean, those
Speaker 1: rookie sophomare games are always so exciting because you get
Speaker 1: to see the you know, obviously the stars of tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We had an opportunity to do our first All Star
Speaker 1: game as the all the smoke, fucking dynamic deal we become,
Speaker 1: and I think the one thing that tripped me out
Speaker 1: was all the love we got you know there. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're down there with Braun and Kauai and all these dudes,
Speaker 1: and all I kept hearing was people yell all the
Speaker 1: smoke and that ship kind of tripped me out because
Speaker 1: it was dope to see that we're resonating post career.
Speaker 1: You know. We were trying to move head down, keep
Speaker 1: it moving, saying what's up to people, But to me,
Speaker 1: it was crazy. All the fans that were screaming for us.
Speaker 1: I thought that was pretty dope. You hit it on
Speaker 1: the nose, bro, Like when we walked in, you know,
Speaker 1: we were just trying to really just get in where
Speaker 1: we fit in, you know, so I make our presence felt.
Speaker 1: But I didn't expect the reception we got, Bro, Like
Speaker 1: you said, as soon as we walked in all the smoke,
Speaker 1: they called our names. My name was called more at
Speaker 1: the All Star Weekend for the show than never for basketball.
Speaker 1: So it was amazing what I was saying, Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was amazing experience. And and to see so many of
Speaker 1: our fans, of course the basketball fans, but to see
Speaker 1: them appreciate the show that we that that we brought
Speaker 1: to him, and it meant a lot to us, absolutely.
Speaker 1: And then it's also where we started something that hopefully
Speaker 1: once this pandemic comes down, uh finishes up or or
Speaker 1: subsides or we get back to some sort of normalcy
Speaker 1: starting live show. We have the opportunity to interview Kevin
Speaker 1: Garnett All Star Weekend and that was my first time
Speaker 1: getting a chance to really be around him and his
Speaker 1: energy off the court. And the ship was electric, Bro,
Speaker 1: from the time we're in the green room talking talking
Speaker 1: ship him telling the stories to the time we got
Speaker 1: on stage and he went to two or three towels
Speaker 1: sweating out like the great, the great Uh, John Thompson
Speaker 1: rest in peace. It was just a great experience, you know,
Speaker 1: to hear you know, his MJ Stories to hear how
Speaker 1: he wanted to play with Code and Code didn't call
Speaker 1: him back, And I really think it opened the door
Speaker 1: to show that, you know, we don't have to do
Speaker 1: these just these isolated interviews from home or even in
Speaker 1: the studio. Hopefully, like I said, when the world comes
Speaker 1: back to some sort of normalcy, we can get out
Speaker 1: and put all the smoke on the road and get
Speaker 1: the fans what they really want. I think that was
Speaker 1: the same experience for both of us. I played against
Speaker 1: KG a lot, you know, and I knew what he
Speaker 1: was as a player, but that was my first time
Speaker 1: to Matt being around him and feeling that energy off
Speaker 1: the court, to him forcing me to take a shot
Speaker 1: that I didn't want to take. Uh rang from the jump, bro,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But he's somebody that we
Speaker 1: looked up to. He's somebody that I admired, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, And to be able to hear he's
Speaker 1: probably the best story tell I've ever I've ever made
Speaker 1: a story from it. I love KG Man. I can't
Speaker 1: I can't wait till you tell for us to do
Speaker 1: more things in the Fusion with him and hopefully interview
Speaker 1: him again. Yeah, definitely shut out KG. He's actually he's
Speaker 1: got a new show coming. I don't know if it
Speaker 1: has a title yet, but he's redesigning man Cave. So
Speaker 1: he came over to the boys game room and and
Speaker 1: and and and met the twins and he's gonna redesign
Speaker 1: their game room. So they've been gassed ever since. So
Speaker 1: I'm excited. Definitely shut out of the Homy KG. Great interview,
Speaker 1: great opportunity, and hopefully it will open doors back to
Speaker 1: some live shows once we can well, Jack, Let's take
Speaker 1: a look at the starters um for both sides. Let's
Speaker 1: start with Steph Curry from Golden State Wars making his
Speaker 1: seventh All Star selection. Luca don Chech a controversial selection
Speaker 1: although he's great, A lot of people, including Luca, felt
Speaker 1: Dame should be the starting two guard, but nevertheless, Luca
Speaker 1: gets his second All Star nod King James number seventeen
Speaker 1: for him. Uh, just man salute. Not enough things could
Speaker 1: be said about his greatness. His motherfucker's been in his
Speaker 1: prime since he started, and no one ever has been
Speaker 1: in the prime that long. Uh. Next up, Joki makes
Speaker 1: his third All Star selection from Denver, one of the
Speaker 1: best bigs in the game, if not the best big
Speaker 1: in the game. And to round out the starting five,
Speaker 1: Kawai Leonard making his fifth All Star selection. Jack. Before
Speaker 1: we jump to the Eastern Conference, anything about the Western
Speaker 1: Conference that stands out, you know, you want to touch
Speaker 1: on that Dame situation or anything else. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is the usual, you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: tell you that the league do Dame like they did Ai.
Speaker 1: You know, they they didn't want him to just to
Speaker 1: be that guy in that face because he don't fit
Speaker 1: there there ner ative, But Dame deserves to be in
Speaker 1: the start line up. Everybody that loves basketball, everybody that
Speaker 1: watches basketball, everybody that counts stats, everybody that cheers for
Speaker 1: their team, everybody that even seeing a basketball bounce, no
Speaker 1: Dame letter deserves to be a start on that team.
Speaker 1: And um, that's It's just it's just that simple. But
Speaker 1: you can't go against anybody, and that's starting five. All
Speaker 1: those guys belong in the All Star Game. All those
Speaker 1: guys can can be a starter on this on the
Speaker 1: Western Conference All Star team any year. So you can't
Speaker 1: really knock those guys. But you always got to throw
Speaker 1: your hat enough for Dame because if anybody deserves it,
Speaker 1: he does. Yeah, I mean, we're definitely here to support Dame,
Speaker 1: but that destinerly doesn't lessen Luca's greatness and what he's
Speaker 1: been able to accomplish, and his spot on this team
Speaker 1: is definitely deserving as well. But you, like I said,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, Dame should have got that, not
Speaker 1: but hey, that's how the ship goes. But he should
Speaker 1: definitely be voted in UM as a reserve. UM. Let's
Speaker 1: take a look at the Eastern Conference, starting with Janice
Speaker 1: fifth All Star selection in Milwaukee, Bradley Beale leading the
Speaker 1: league and scoring. You know, the team is starting to
Speaker 1: show a little bit of life. But happy for him,
Speaker 1: he's really starting to be recognized as a great player.
Speaker 1: Easy money. Kevin Durant coming back off and Achilles uh
Speaker 1: is in the m v P category. This is his
Speaker 1: eleventh All Star game, which is a tremendous show of
Speaker 1: love for him because, like I said, he's come back
Speaker 1: from an achilles like he never had an achilles, And
Speaker 1: if you think about it, back in the day, Achilles
Speaker 1: was a career ender. So you know, really happy for
Speaker 1: our brother Kevin Durant. He was able to no pun
Speaker 1: intended land on his feet and really pick up where
Speaker 1: he left off. Joe l Embiid his fourth All Star
Speaker 1: selection is someone I'm really excited for. Doc's got this
Speaker 1: guy playing great. You know when his his his only people,
Speaker 1: the only person that could stop him in this game
Speaker 1: is himself, and I think he's finally out of his head.
Speaker 1: Doc hasn't believe in itself and this man is incredible
Speaker 1: night in night out. He's been there for his team
Speaker 1: and I love to see it. And to round out
Speaker 1: your brother, uh. Kyrie Irving with his seventh All Star selection.
Speaker 1: I saw someone ask a question the other day, is
Speaker 1: Kyrie the most skilled player in the history of the NBA?
Speaker 1: And I really had to stop and think for a second.
Speaker 1: They're not saying he's the best skilled player? Is he
Speaker 1: the most skilled player? And I would have I mean,
Speaker 1: I would argue for that. He is one of, if
Speaker 1: not the most skilled player, definitely one of the top two, three,
Speaker 1: four maybe at to ever do this, from the visibility
Speaker 1: to dribble the ball, pass the ball, score the ball
Speaker 1: underneath the rim he got up and dunked, the way
Speaker 1: he hits clutch shots, There's not a hole in his
Speaker 1: offensive game, and his skill set is is something that
Speaker 1: definitely needs to be praised. Yeah, his his godfather, Roder Strickland,
Speaker 1: was one of the best finishes and ever in the
Speaker 1: n b A and and he wants and and that
Speaker 1: that came from him. He said that Kyrie is the
Speaker 1: best finish at the NBA. Are the most skilled player
Speaker 1: the NBA has ever seen. And when you talk about
Speaker 1: skilled players, you you gotta talk about Kyrie. But we're
Speaker 1: not even get into that. But he is definitely the
Speaker 1: probably the most skilled in the game today. But we're
Speaker 1: talking about the East. We're talking about the East All
Speaker 1: Star East All Stars. I got a problem, Matt, I
Speaker 1: got a problem with that. Five. I really think that
Speaker 1: the way that he's came to this new team, the
Speaker 1: way he's picked up on the role, embraced his role
Speaker 1: and still is the dominant player in the game and
Speaker 1: still is one of the best scores in the game.
Speaker 1: James Harden is a starter with regardless what conference he in.
Speaker 1: I think Joanna should be knocked off as high horts.
Speaker 1: I really think they've been They've been giving him all
Speaker 1: these accolades. Yeah, he's a top ten player, but today
Speaker 1: Brooklyn should have three starters in the All Star Game
Speaker 1: and Joanna and James Harden should be a start in
Speaker 1: this game. No question, in my mind, he should be
Speaker 1: a starter, regardless what conference he in. James hard is
Speaker 1: a starter. I'm not even mad at that, and I
Speaker 1: agree with you. You know what was funny was I
Speaker 1: think it was Isaiah, one of the twins, said, man,
Speaker 1: James Harden went to Brooklyn, took the fat suit off,
Speaker 1: and he's been killing It. Was crazy though, but but
Speaker 1: there's no question. You know, we had a chance to
Speaker 1: talk about him on What's Burning, but you know the
Speaker 1: way he's kind of come into a team with two superstars,
Speaker 1: him being the third one coming late, but him doing
Speaker 1: the most adjusting and being able to feel every void
Speaker 1: they need uh from, you know, from the decision maker
Speaker 1: to the distributor to the big shot maker and like
Speaker 1: you even said earlier, stepping it up on defense because
Speaker 1: defense is nothing but energy. So I definitely think James
Speaker 1: Harden is a starter, should be in the Eastern Conference.
Speaker 1: But hey, you know, he came over late. They're gonna
Speaker 1: make a bunch of excuses, but he'll definitely be named
Speaker 1: to the team. Next up. We're gonna take a trip
Speaker 1: down memory lane and talk about some of the most
Speaker 1: special moments in All Star Week in history. Some of
Speaker 1: the stuff we grew up watching his children. Some of
Speaker 1: this stuff we got to be a part of as adults. Um,
Speaker 1: let's start with m J and Dominique's dunk contest in nineteen.
Speaker 1: It's unfortunate cause I think Dominique wilkins greatness as a
Speaker 1: dunker and as a player was overshadowed by MJ in
Speaker 1: the dunk contest and with MJ's career. But the Dominique
Speaker 1: was a motherfucking monster obviously player, but his dunk, the
Speaker 1: verocity he used to dunk with. It's scary. This dude
Speaker 1: was doing slam dunk contest dunks in games. Sum it
Speaker 1: up the Human Highlight film. That was his nickname. He
Speaker 1: was a monster. Next up Larry Bird three point moment
Speaker 1: where he put his hand up because he knew he
Speaker 1: had won it, or he knew it was going in
Speaker 1: before it went in, legendary three point shoot. I would
Speaker 1: love to see Larry Bird shootout with like because I
Speaker 1: would love to see like a Larry Steph Reggie Clay,
Speaker 1: who would you put the fish shooter in there? Obviously,
Speaker 1: but you're not a fan of him. I like Ray Allen,
Speaker 1: but you might not want no. I wouldn't you know
Speaker 1: who I put in there? You got Reggie? You got Reggie,
Speaker 1: you got Clay? Who else you got? Yeah, Larry, Um,
Speaker 1: I think I would go Dale Curry with Dell Curry,
Speaker 1: who put Pops in there? Huh like that? I think
Speaker 1: that would be a legendary shoot obviously a great shootout.
Speaker 1: Larry wanted the best to ever do it, next up
Speaker 1: d Brown when he brought imagination style antics to the
Speaker 1: dunk Contest. But before he even did that, Jack remember
Speaker 1: he pumped up his motherfucking rebox and then had everyone
Speaker 1: going crazy three box at first, and then he went
Speaker 1: and did the little uh hand over the face dunk
Speaker 1: and kind of set the To me, that might have
Speaker 1: started like kind of the showmanship of the dunk Contest
Speaker 1: with antics, although it's got, it's gone to a whole
Speaker 1: nother level today. That was very creative because I think
Speaker 1: that's back in I think I was just turned down.
Speaker 1: I was just about to turn eleven, and d Brown
Speaker 1: was before his time. He was the first person to
Speaker 1: dab in the air Man he jumped in the air
Speaker 1: and damn like to me go he and dug it.
Speaker 1: He was the first person to do that. He before
Speaker 1: his time. They have almost twenty years before the dad.
Speaker 1: One thing I really remember vividly because this guy was
Speaker 1: my favorite player, was Magic Johnson's return to the All
Speaker 1: Star Game UM in ninety two. Um, you know, after
Speaker 1: having retired early from HIV. I think the game was
Speaker 1: in Orlando. He came in, got one m v P
Speaker 1: of the All Star Game, and to me, I remember
Speaker 1: that moment clear his day. I think I was in
Speaker 1: sixth grade, but I was just so happy to see
Speaker 1: Magic back out there playing again. Um. I thought that
Speaker 1: was great for the game. Man. It felt good for
Speaker 1: every kid that grew up watching basketball, age that looked
Speaker 1: up to Magic, that knows what he means to the
Speaker 1: game of basketball. To see him back out there, to
Speaker 1: see that smile, to see him in Isaiah greet each
Speaker 1: other how they normally to do, it meant everything. It
Speaker 1: was one of the best moments of All Star weekend.
Speaker 1: Next up, uh Kobe's first All Star Game, youngest All
Speaker 1: Star in the history. If I mistaken against m J
Speaker 1: on the biggest stage in the world, Madison Square Guard.
Speaker 1: Anything you remember about that game, I just knew that
Speaker 1: Kobe was going to shadow MJ and just try to
Speaker 1: go at him. I didn't know what to expect, but
Speaker 1: I knew Kobe was gonna take a real series. And
Speaker 1: just to see m J and his clone on the
Speaker 1: court looking so similar, just split an image of Jordan
Speaker 1: on the court. Man, it was good to see. But
Speaker 1: me knowing Kobe, it was I've seen the joy on
Speaker 1: Kobe face and uh it was. It was. It was
Speaker 1: refreshing to see. Well, I thought, what was dope was
Speaker 1: we got a behind the scenes I don't know if
Speaker 1: it was from MJ's dock this past year that happened.
Speaker 1: But they knew Kobe was coming. They knew Kobe wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna play like this as a tradition All Star game.
Speaker 1: They said, they knew the young boy was coming. He
Speaker 1: was gonna take it hard, play hard the whole time.
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what he did. And that's why I
Speaker 1: love Kobe, because I even tell you another story. I
Speaker 1: remember he treated every basketball situation like it was a
Speaker 1: real game, whether it was an All Star Game or not.
Speaker 1: But I remember he invited me up to his camp
Speaker 1: in Santa Barbara. He used to hold the camp when
Speaker 1: Mike stopped doing his camp, Kobe was doing his camp
Speaker 1: up in Santa Barbara and I I was just coming
Speaker 1: off a knee surgery that season. I came back at
Speaker 1: the end of the playoffs. We got swept by Dallas,
Speaker 1: but my knee was still a little funked up. So
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, I'm just going up there. They're talking to
Speaker 1: hang out. We're out there playing I think two on
Speaker 1: two with like some teenage kids and Bro. When I
Speaker 1: tell you, Kobe was playing harder than Ship block and
Speaker 1: shot Duncan made one kid fall and I'm like, I'm like,
Speaker 1: damn Kobe and sucking kids. He's like so like Ship,
Speaker 1: So it doesn't it doesn't surprise me. It doesn't surprise
Speaker 1: me that, you know what I'm saying. He took that
Speaker 1: nine eight All Star Game his first game like it
Speaker 1: was Game seven of the finals. That's what you know.
Speaker 1: Obviously we know and love about cod rest in Peace,
Speaker 1: Starr brother. But he didn't give a ship who was
Speaker 1: in front of him. If a basketball was throwing up,
Speaker 1: it was going down. Next up. Vince Carter in the
Speaker 1: two thousand Slam Dunk Contest um to me change dunking
Speaker 1: forever um. You know, with all due respect everyone that
Speaker 1: came in the past. You think about the dunks back
Speaker 1: in the day when m J and then were doing it.
Speaker 1: Those are such basic dunks now but still hard but
Speaker 1: basic dunks. And Vince did something which most people can't,
Speaker 1: which is think outside the box to be super creative.
Speaker 1: And some of the dunks he came with, and that
Speaker 1: two thousand All Star Game, we're incredible. With a loaded field.
Speaker 1: You gotta think they had a young Tea Mac, They
Speaker 1: had Jason Richardson and Steve Francis. A lot of boys
Speaker 1: are out there jumping, but Vince was obviously the most
Speaker 1: memorable dunk contest possibly in the history of of All
Speaker 1: Star Games. I couldn't do the dunks that Jordan and
Speaker 1: them was doing back in the day. Let alone do
Speaker 1: the ship Vince was doing. Vince really set the standard
Speaker 1: for what the dunk contest is supposed to be. Like
Speaker 1: the dunks he was doing, the way he did him,
Speaker 1: the way he took over the crowd. Uh, the hi
Speaker 1: ho hi he jumped. He just everything that you needed
Speaker 1: to win the dunk contest and to be probably the
Speaker 1: best contested ever. Vince did it. You know, what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He had the class, he had the CAREERSMA, he had
Speaker 1: the showmanship, he had everything. Bro. He set the standard
Speaker 1: for what the dunk contest should be. Uh. Last, but
Speaker 1: not least, MJ's memorable Bowl last All Star Game fade away,
Speaker 1: which should have won them the game. There's a bullshit
Speaker 1: called by the ref surprise surprise, and they end up losing.
Speaker 1: But uh, thoughts on MJ's last game. I want to say,
Speaker 1: you guys won a championship that year in San Antonio.
Speaker 1: So what are your memories of that two thousand three Uh,
Speaker 1: MJ All Star run? Oh there it is the big ring,
Speaker 1: the big boy. You were ready for this. You must
Speaker 1: have read the notes before beforehand. Yeah, Bro, two thousand
Speaker 1: and three was special for me. Man winning the championship
Speaker 1: was a great year. Uh. Seeing m J, you know,
Speaker 1: play against our era and still be dominant and make
Speaker 1: those plays in the All Star Game. I think that
Speaker 1: that year was one of one of my best years
Speaker 1: of being at the NBA AD A lot of things.
Speaker 1: I got a chance to see him J play, you know,
Speaker 1: we played against him, and like I said, winning the championship,
Speaker 1: seeing him in All Star Game, a lot of Uh,
Speaker 1: David Robinsons last year, you know, getting him a championship
Speaker 1: on this way out. Um, So a lot of things
Speaker 1: about that year with Special Man, but definitely seeing MJ
Speaker 1: do his thing in All Star Game before he went
Speaker 1: out with Special Well. I hope you guys enjoyed that.
Speaker 1: Look back, um on All Star Weekend from the past
Speaker 1: to the press, is it and take a look now
Speaker 1: at some of the better moments of all the smoke
Speaker 1: and All Star memories from our guests. Yeah, g people
Speaker 1: was kind of my example of what I wanted to
Speaker 1: But I give Gary shout the GP man. We was
Speaker 1: in the everybody's talking about the twenty anniversary events winning
Speaker 1: the Dunk Contest in Oakland. Right. What y'all don't know
Speaker 1: is that Kobe Bryant rest in peace to my dog.
Speaker 1: He took another level of being a defensive standpoint because
Speaker 1: Gary Payton at the practice after after practice All Star practice,
Speaker 1: poured us to the side because Code asked him something.
Speaker 1: They pulled both of us to the side, So let
Speaker 1: me tell y'all something. Look when you're playing defense. And
Speaker 1: then he went through a thirty minute joint with both
Speaker 1: of us with defense and keeping us between the landing
Speaker 1: and reaching and how to reach and when you reach
Speaker 1: up and just low tricks of the trade. That next
Speaker 1: time I saw cold after the break, he was using
Speaker 1: came first team that yet the first time I've seen,
Speaker 1: I said, he used that. Sorry, sorry saw it, y'all
Speaker 1: saw so I caught that. Ain't think I saw it,
Speaker 1: but I knew that only the three of us was
Speaker 1: part of that. So I was like, you got the
Speaker 1: way you saw? I thought it wasn't call that ship wow,
Speaker 1: because GP taught us when you ripped somebody to go
Speaker 1: through that chest versus usually your hand. You see this right,
Speaker 1: He told to take a step and come through your
Speaker 1: chest and come and then round out. It's no way
Speaker 1: you can protect the ball. You can't cross it back
Speaker 1: once you get that once I mean your cab, you
Speaker 1: can't cross it up. You we didn't have to turn
Speaker 1: your back. Oh man, I saw Coke take that first
Speaker 1: night after the break. I saw it. You know, we
Speaker 1: want no texting and none of that back then. But
Speaker 1: when I first saw him, I shot there was stated
Speaker 1: right here. When I saw him, I knew exactly what
Speaker 1: I was talking about. For that, you know, seeing that
Speaker 1: we're here at all star, what is what is your
Speaker 1: favorite All Star moment? Favorite All Star moment vents sitting
Speaker 1: on the floor, Believe it or not, I got that
Speaker 1: footage to y'all know night, I got yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: come see me. Motherfucker's think y'all getting this ship for free?
Speaker 1: Y'all kiss my ass right, it's going that ink hollo right.
Speaker 1: But I got that. That was probably one of my
Speaker 1: favorite because all my friends was probably two couple rolls.
Speaker 1: You we got to see that, and it was the
Speaker 1: first time the world got to really see events like
Speaker 1: we knew Vince in high school, grew up with dart
Speaker 1: YadA and for him to like put that on display
Speaker 1: like that and just give us an unbelievable A lot
Speaker 1: of people don't know. Um Tracy and Steve to Stacy
Speaker 1: and Stevens and that too. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That was one of the better before Zack and uh Gordon. Uh.
Speaker 1: That was probably my favorite. That was probably my favorite,
Speaker 1: uh dunk I test some time. But out of all
Speaker 1: the stuff men, I've I've always been able to pull
Speaker 1: something out of each All Star game. UM. One of
Speaker 1: my favorites was coming out I was getting ready to UM,
Speaker 1: I was leaving the All Star Game and I had
Speaker 1: a bag of stuff and I was coming out and
Speaker 1: Craig Sager needed an interview for his clothes and didn't
Speaker 1: want to do it, and I was trying to, you know,
Speaker 1: we didn't hit back. Look like you know, like you
Speaker 1: know how you play shadow. He's trying to get by somebody.
Speaker 1: I'm like, track what you're doing. I got kissed my plane.
Speaker 1: Get the funk out here? Yeah, yeah, that's my sister.
Speaker 1: Shout to Bill, I call him shitty s the bag
Speaker 1: and said, yo, should he take this to the planet.
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to get out. He said, Yo, just
Speaker 1: give me two seconds. I needed out, said get the
Speaker 1: funk out of my way. And I kind of pushed him,
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of gave him some whatever. He
Speaker 1: was like, man, and I saw how he lost it.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, fun it come on and he and
Speaker 1: and I was, I'm just gonna say whatever I want
Speaker 1: to say. So okay, just give me this. I just
Speaker 1: need thirty seconds to get out of here. Okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: and go. And then I saw he had on. I
Speaker 1: looked and I said, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 1: So look, you know, I never tried to go at
Speaker 1: you right, like what the funk? Like, really, what the
Speaker 1: funk is this dog? Like really you came to the
Speaker 1: game like this dog, and he was trying to get
Speaker 1: it in it like now funk all that low, no burn,
Speaker 1: all this ship, everything the green thrown to, all this
Speaker 1: and all of it and kind of gave him a
Speaker 1: little sound value and see it what up? Tore it.
Speaker 1: But then he got out of that and I turned around.
Speaker 1: I was like, thanks yo, two thousand to me arguments,
Speaker 1: uh argua, believe you changed the dunk contest forever. Now
Speaker 1: we can talk about Mike's dunk from the free throw
Speaker 1: line and all the dunks in the history. But you
Speaker 1: came in and did some ship we had never seen.
Speaker 1: I remember, I've been fucking study hall at U c
Speaker 1: l A and the dunk contest is coming on. So
Speaker 1: somehow I got the lady to bring a TV and
Speaker 1: study hall and we watched you in Oracle Arena. Changed
Speaker 1: the dunk contest forever. How did you? I mean, you
Speaker 1: did dunks we never seen? Did you prap? How did
Speaker 1: you know what you were gonna do? Talk to us
Speaker 1: about that. So leading up to it, first of all,
Speaker 1: first of all, it took the Act of Congress to
Speaker 1: get Mac to do it because he didn't want to
Speaker 1: do it. People don't know that, Like he put on
Speaker 1: the hell of a show himself and he did not
Speaker 1: want to do it. Who else you did that dunk contest? People?
Speaker 1: I was a good dunk contest Ricky Davis, see Frankie yeah, Stackhouse,
Speaker 1: I'm forgetting. That's That's all the way I could think
Speaker 1: of right now. That's it was crazy and t Mac
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, yeah, so it was. It was crazy. But
Speaker 1: I was just like, bro, we could go here and
Speaker 1: put to run on the map, and you know, we
Speaker 1: could show what we could do because like we fooled around,
Speaker 1: Like we were fooling around with different stuff. I remember
Speaker 1: in San Antonio at a practice one day was we
Speaker 1: were just going crazy, throwing the ball all over the
Speaker 1: gym off one bounce and just doing crazy stuff just
Speaker 1: from trying to figure stuff out. So we had an
Speaker 1: awful trip there. Our car didn't pick us up one time,
Speaker 1: so we missed our practice leading up to the contest,
Speaker 1: so we never got the practice. Our practice was the
Speaker 1: layoup line or whatever, the warmup line right before this
Speaker 1: contest started, so we never got the practice and my
Speaker 1: routine that I was gonna do. I saw all these
Speaker 1: people man, and sitting around you see all the stars
Speaker 1: and everything, and that was all of us. Just bro,
Speaker 1: I was like this, this routine is not good enough.
Speaker 1: So I scrapped all of that. In the layoup it's
Speaker 1: I was so high. It took me everything not to
Speaker 1: do my dunk routine in the layout line back. I
Speaker 1: was just so hype, like I've been looking for just fly,
Speaker 1: just fly, that's it. I'm ready to show everybody what
Speaker 1: I could do. Like and I take for all my
Speaker 1: high school in middle school, I didn't care about watching
Speaker 1: Sunday at the All Star Game. I just wanted to
Speaker 1: take and watch the dunk contests on on Saturday. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, I'm finally here. I ain't about to
Speaker 1: blow this, but I'm about to go ham. So when
Speaker 1: I got out there, I saw all these people, man,
Speaker 1: and my my energy uh, and my my drilling was
Speaker 1: on ten thousand ro so uh, I scrapped it. And
Speaker 1: so I was just trying to figure out what to do.
Speaker 1: So that's first dunk, the reverse three sixty. I had
Speaker 1: tried to god. So I tried that dunk and barely
Speaker 1: made it when I was practicing, So I originally I
Speaker 1: had scrapped that already. But when I got out there,
Speaker 1: I saw all these people and I saw Twine there
Speaker 1: and I was like, watch this year, what you about
Speaker 1: to do? I was like, you walked into that motherfucker
Speaker 1: perfect too, just walked into that mother hey. But I
Speaker 1: was just so I was so hyped. So that's why.
Speaker 1: So if you notice, remember when I ducked the ball,
Speaker 1: boom and go through, and then I was so hype
Speaker 1: my second bounce, I probably could have did a windmill,
Speaker 1: you know, like I was just so high because I'd
Speaker 1: never accomplished that dunk like that before. But that was
Speaker 1: all adrenaline. That was so every in between every dunk,
Speaker 1: I was just over, just like just trying to figure
Speaker 1: out what next, what next? What next? So I did
Speaker 1: the one step, one eighty windmill. What I wanted to
Speaker 1: show everybody, Like, you know, honestly, you didn't see many
Speaker 1: people jumping the other way and right. So I had
Speaker 1: taught myself how to jump, to do the reverse three sixty,
Speaker 1: and just practice the practice, practice until I got it
Speaker 1: to this day. Like if you asked me to do
Speaker 1: a dunk, I would do a reverse three sixty before
Speaker 1: I do the regular one. Cannot I can't go the
Speaker 1: other way anymore, like I can't. I can't. I can't.
Speaker 1: Just makes no sense of me. It's so you go crazy,
Speaker 1: you get lost in your old age, get lost, absolutely,
Speaker 1: but I can't do it, like I'll barely make it.
Speaker 1: So that's why I wanted to show just obviously going
Speaker 1: against the grain, obviously a full extended wind mill blah
Speaker 1: blah blah whatever, and I didn't know if I was
Speaker 1: gonna get that high, but whatever. So with the one
Speaker 1: any dunk, I wanted to show that I could take
Speaker 1: one step out of the baseline, sort to the front
Speaker 1: of the rim while doing the extended wind bill and boom,
Speaker 1: throw it through. So I didn't get it. I didn't
Speaker 1: get a tent from Kenny Smith, you know, which kind
Speaker 1: of bothered me. So yeah, but he was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you set the bar too high. Well walking on the port.
Speaker 1: That's the last thing. That's the last thing I said
Speaker 1: to myself before my first dunk, I said, show up
Speaker 1: a show out, And that used to be our terminology
Speaker 1: in the band before. You know, obviously in the South
Speaker 1: the band is huge, so we weren We're gonna show
Speaker 1: up and show out. So I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: this is my chance to show the world my imagination
Speaker 1: and what I'd be thinking about my head when it
Speaker 1: comes to duncan now you to to talk about that
Speaker 1: dunk contest and then to think it was twenty years ago?
Speaker 1: How does that make you feel? That ship was exactly
Speaker 1: exactly And I still get chilled. I still get chills,
Speaker 1: and I'm still like, man, what was I thinking? When? When? When? When? No,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. Some of his teammates weren't even born That
Speaker 1: bro teammates weren't even born yet. Think about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like that ship is insane.
Speaker 1: So it's just funny to kind of here and and
Speaker 1: see it and to just to think of all what
Speaker 1: transpired and and think. Once Kenny gave me that nine,
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, all right, I gotta step this
Speaker 1: up a little bit. Huh, Okay, I gotta get it Tim.
Speaker 1: I didn't want the competition to be close. I but
Speaker 1: that's why I wanted team back in there, because I
Speaker 1: knew he would push me to do it because he
Speaker 1: he had like his dunk His dunks were crazy, stupid bounce,
Speaker 1: and that's what that's what pushed me to the next
Speaker 1: level did seeing what Steve Frances did, Like we forget
Speaker 1: about what Steve Friss was doing. He killing. Hey, do
Speaker 1: y'all remember anything that Ricky Davis did. Didn't didn't go
Speaker 1: into the legs and crazy back, but nobody remembers that.
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying. Seeing that, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I gotta step it up. So the arm in the
Speaker 1: rim came like this. I played in Gary Payton game
Speaker 1: and I was in the layup line. I was jumping
Speaker 1: over the rim and I did it in the warm
Speaker 1: ups too, but I was jumping over the rim and
Speaker 1: I was just dropping the ball in and I was like, Okay, cool,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that, but I gotta add something to it.
Speaker 1: So I'm just trying to hang. I've never done it,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know how to do it. I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna buy something all. He's right, you know how to
Speaker 1: do it. Just dunk my fuck Let me dunk my
Speaker 1: fucking arm real quick, right. So the last thing, the
Speaker 1: last thing I remember leaving my coach, Butch Carter said,
Speaker 1: don't go out there and break your damn arm. In
Speaker 1: your legs. That's what you said to me. So when
Speaker 1: I'm standing up the rim before I about the jump there,
Speaker 1: like bro, please don't fall off this room. I was
Speaker 1: buying time, like I didn't know what what to do,
Speaker 1: how to do it, so when I walked it off,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to show. So what I wanted to
Speaker 1: show you is that how high I could jump. I
Speaker 1: want to show that I could get my arm a
Speaker 1: butter rim and then you know, the rest is history.
Speaker 1: I wanted to kind of hang up there and I
Speaker 1: want you to say. I want you to be like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck? What I what? And I want you
Speaker 1: to realize what happened when you looked at that that
Speaker 1: jumper Trump sick because they've never seen it. It didn't
Speaker 1: get the initial because people are like, what what did
Speaker 1: he just do? And that's what I wanted. That's what
Speaker 1: that ship reminded me of. What was the movie? What's
Speaker 1: the movie with uh? The Tropic Thunder? What's the movie
Speaker 1: semi pro When they when they first when they first
Speaker 1: threw the alley, you and Mothercker's didn't know how to
Speaker 1: read like that was like what did he just do?
Speaker 1: Like yeah, he's like that's when He's like, that's a foul.
Speaker 1: Two points. Yeah, it was that. It was that kind
Speaker 1: of awe though, like people like, did he just stick
Speaker 1: his fucking dunk his arm and hang out? That's what
Speaker 1: I want. So if you notice when I walk away,
Speaker 1: I had my eyes closed, just making sure it was
Speaker 1: quiet in the arena, and I just started laughing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because after that's what I'm like, they're gonna be like,
Speaker 1: oh so that was the that dunk and then in
Speaker 1: between the legs dunks or the two that made up
Speaker 1: that night was the one though when it was over.
Speaker 1: We so So that's the crazy thing about every time,
Speaker 1: every time I look at that dunk, like I look
Speaker 1: at the first four dunks. Oh so yeah, between the legs,
Speaker 1: so I said it was over because like I'm trying
Speaker 1: dunks for the first time making up tonight, and I'm
Speaker 1: making these on the first try. It's over. It's over.
Speaker 1: That's what that limp out. Now I'm trying to push
Speaker 1: the envelope a little bit. I saw that in between
Speaker 1: the legs in East Bay Magazine picture for the Jump Souls.
Speaker 1: Remember the jump Souls, you know, when I was in
Speaker 1: the East Bay Magazine Because it comes from the East
Speaker 1: Bay Gangster. Yeah. I saw that picture, right. I saw
Speaker 1: that picture. So I was like, I'm gonna try that.
Speaker 1: But they said you got to use a teammate. So
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, uh t Max, you gotta
Speaker 1: drop bounce the ball off the bounce. Yeah, And we
Speaker 1: never practiced. He was like, cause, what're you about to do?
Speaker 1: I said, just bounced the ball, get held out of
Speaker 1: the way. He bounced. He's like, what's he bounced it
Speaker 1: the first time? He bounced it too high because I
Speaker 1: didn't know where to bounce it. How high need I said,
Speaker 1: just bounce it waist hight. That seemed logical to me.
Speaker 1: Waist high so I can just catch it and then
Speaker 1: put it between the last said bounced the ball and
Speaker 1: walk out the way. And if you look at you
Speaker 1: see him bounced the ball and he looked back like
Speaker 1: what is he doing? And that's how I came up
Speaker 1: with it. I never tried in my life, so I
Speaker 1: didn't know if I was gonna make it or not.
Speaker 1: And that's where the point came when I did that,
Speaker 1: because I'm like, that's what That's what it was. I
Speaker 1: was like, brother, Gods is on my side. The dunk
Speaker 1: God it's over. So so I I did you same
Speaker 1: boat steal that from you. That's all I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: did in two he alright, that's his ship now I
Speaker 1: don't know if it did it first. Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 1: You can have it because it's over. I take the
Speaker 1: credit for this over. Yeah, two thousand three, you're the
Speaker 1: leading vote getter in the league. Uh, MJ's last year.
Speaker 1: You decided to give MJ your starting spot. Talk to
Speaker 1: us about that. Basically, Yeah, I decided, But it was
Speaker 1: it was it was encouraged by the league that it
Speaker 1: was a good idea, you know, but by the powers
Speaker 1: that be it was probably a good idea that MJ
Speaker 1: starts in his last, his last All Star game. I
Speaker 1: ain't no food, you know what I'm saying, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: ain't no food. First of all, like we all look
Speaker 1: up the MJ and and he's a hero, and like,
Speaker 1: bro that that's that's a memory that nobody else can
Speaker 1: can talk about, Like the can't be that can't be duplicated.
Speaker 1: But I got a story, Like I could tell this
Speaker 1: story forever, Like you'd be like, oh man, nobody else
Speaker 1: can say that, Like and MJ wouldn't take the spot bro,
Speaker 1: like when they it's probably good. I was like, Bro,
Speaker 1: I was giving this is m J last year, Bro,
Speaker 1: and you're not starting. Bro, I I got I got
Speaker 1: a chance to kind of do this again. This is you,
Speaker 1: this is your time, m J. So and so I
Speaker 1: pulled him aside, but it was all day in the morning,
Speaker 1: practice or whatever you want to call it. I was like,
Speaker 1: MJ bro, take no, no, no, you earned this with it, alright,
Speaker 1: cool right about argue. So we get down there right
Speaker 1: before we run it out, and said, m J bro
Speaker 1: take the spot. You're gonna start, Bro. I said, if
Speaker 1: you don't take the spot, I'm gonna stay in the
Speaker 1: back and I ain't gonna come out right what I said.
Speaker 1: I said, I'm not getting blackballed from the league because
Speaker 1: you you're talking about just you know you earned it? Yeah, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: I earned it. We know that, but you're starting. Before
Speaker 1: right before they called him for the starting lineup, he
Speaker 1: still wouldn't go. You see it. The last minute is
Speaker 1: where he took his if you see it, the last
Speaker 1: minute he taking shirt and he go out there, but
Speaker 1: he would not go. I was like, bro, please please
Speaker 1: just go because I'm gonna walk to the back and
Speaker 1: it ain't happened. So he takes it, and it was
Speaker 1: like I was like, man, thank god, Bron, because that's
Speaker 1: steal though, because you got so yeah, yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's all good. But like I'm thinking there to say,
Speaker 1: I gave m his last start and then what happened
Speaker 1: that fade away? Bro? He hit the ye perfect. I
Speaker 1: think the NBA messed up. Bro, I think the NBA
Speaker 1: messed up. They're trying to be all technical and stuff.
Speaker 1: So m J y'all might remember, Yeah, y'all definitely remb
Speaker 1: me up in around MJ hit the fade away and
Speaker 1: they called the time out. We're trying to get the
Speaker 1: game stopped right there. Yeah, we're The game should have
Speaker 1: been stopped right there. Forget the one point two seconds
Speaker 1: or two however many seconds left, forget all that. The
Speaker 1: game over. The greatest of all times just capped off
Speaker 1: his most famous shot never in the in the All
Speaker 1: Star Game. It should be over. Now another great player
Speaker 1: goes and and and does what he does. Kobe breen
Speaker 1: By Kobe Bean Bryant goes up to hit the the
Speaker 1: game winner, but it should have been stopped regardless. Point Like,
Speaker 1: that's how that's how you do that? And I think
Speaker 1: they dropped the ball on that one the two greatest
Speaker 1: back to back shots long time. You spoke on your
Speaker 1: experience being a rookie with grown ass man kind of
Speaker 1: thrown in the fire. You got a chance to play
Speaker 1: with Vince Carter for one year there. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I remember first seeing him there and he was just
Speaker 1: he took the world by storm, you know when Vince sanity,
Speaker 1: half man, half amazing, you know, kind of hit hit
Speaker 1: Toronto and put them on the map. How was it
Speaker 1: your one year playing with VC? It was tough. It
Speaker 1: was tough, but he did an awesome job, you know,
Speaker 1: looking back on it, he was only like twenty five
Speaker 1: years old, you know. And he took me under his wing.
Speaker 1: He um, you know, he take me out to on
Speaker 1: the road. He even came over, you know with dinner
Speaker 1: with me and my parents, you know, my parents and stuff,
Speaker 1: and um, you know, he showed me, um, you know things.
Speaker 1: He took me under his wing, you know. And uh,
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not sure if people knew my capability
Speaker 1: coming into the league. You know, I had supreme confidence
Speaker 1: in myself, so I knew I could help a team
Speaker 1: right away. I knew that he wanted to win UM
Speaker 1: and so did I. So I wanted I always wanted
Speaker 1: to be that rookie that showed up in the game,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because it was so much
Speaker 1: pressure and he was so good. I mean a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't know how much talent he possessed. God
Speaker 1: physically gifted and skilled people I've ever seen in my
Speaker 1: whole entire life. Yeah, he was incredible. So just just
Speaker 1: to be able to see that and just I mean,
Speaker 1: just to see the insanity factor to be at all
Speaker 1: start with this dude and just watch him just walking
Speaker 1: people reacting to whom and it was it was amazing,
Speaker 1: you know, even you know, a couple of parties, even
Speaker 1: couple of parties, just a couple, just a couple. We
Speaker 1: didn't have a game the next day, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But he took me, did a great job,
Speaker 1: and just just like really just being around him, man,
Speaker 1: he was he was awesome. Do he one thing that
Speaker 1: I used to love bro to me. I was just like, Yo,
Speaker 1: this dude is crazy, but I respected it was when
Speaker 1: you used to do like your pitch to become an
Speaker 1: NBA All Star. I mean all done. Now you're in
Speaker 1: the loving time All Star. But you really used to
Speaker 1: do your little pictures and act. And where did that
Speaker 1: ship come from? Because that ship used to have me roll?
Speaker 1: You know what it was, bro, not boredom. I don't
Speaker 1: want to say boredom, but to be honest, the only
Speaker 1: reason I had that idea. Times weren't like they are now. Um.
Speaker 1: The voting system for All Star was just a little different.
Speaker 1: So if you played, which is still the same now,
Speaker 1: but if you played in a certain area, you're more
Speaker 1: likely to get votes, right, um. And I always at
Speaker 1: the time, I thought that Toronto was gonna be able.
Speaker 1: I thought everybody was given Toronto a tough time, you know.
Speaker 1: And then I remember looking, I'm trying to be an
Speaker 1: All Star of that year, and I'm looking at the numbers,
Speaker 1: and I mean, KG and Brian there, their voting numbers
Speaker 1: are just it's another level of superstartup, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And all I only did that just to
Speaker 1: kind of bring the votes up and make it a
Speaker 1: little closer because it was embarrassing being way and third
Speaker 1: way and third Bro. But like I always, like, I
Speaker 1: always messed with the camera, always did videos and stuff,
Speaker 1: and you know, just my brother and my friends. We'd
Speaker 1: always make each other laugh and do do not crazy
Speaker 1: crazy stuff, but you know, funny ship and you know,
Speaker 1: really just to have a good time man. And and really,
Speaker 1: I mean another huge influence on me was like me
Speaker 1: and my dad and my brother, we would watch and
Speaker 1: Living Color every Sunday night, were watching Living Color, and
Speaker 1: we watched the Star Trek the Next Generation and then
Speaker 1: the old School Start Track with with William Shatner, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and Richard Nimore and we would
Speaker 1: we would sit there and our favorite, of course, I
Speaker 1: was watching and Living Color and watching those dudes. I
Speaker 1: mean that was kind of like the early influence. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so I always love that stuff, you know, and
Speaker 1: that was pretty much just like my imitation of it,
Speaker 1: Slam Duck Chimp the East Bay funk is born. Talk
Speaker 1: to us about that, bro, I've been doing that Dunchin's
Speaker 1: like nith grade, you know what I mean. I was
Speaker 1: doing that Dunke grade. So it was just soft from
Speaker 1: from way back for me. Everybody was doing Dominique Jordan's,
Speaker 1: you know, doing their dunks. So you know, one day
Speaker 1: I tried and got close. So I was like oh
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have that, and then I had it in
Speaker 1: like a week. So I was doing like people that
Speaker 1: know me go old school with me, that went to
Speaker 1: school with me. No, I've been doing that dunk. It's
Speaker 1: like fourteen fifteen, you know what I mean, the Boys
Speaker 1: Club dunk contest, Chris Mullan when you played for the
Speaker 1: Warrior Judge the dunk contest when I was a youngster
Speaker 1: at the Boys Club and I did that dunk. But
Speaker 1: with that being said, I just kept it going, brought
Speaker 1: it to college. You know, I freaked in college and
Speaker 1: when the College Dunk contest and it was like, okay,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And then you know when
Speaker 1: I got to the NBA stage, obviously went to a
Speaker 1: tremendous level. Man, that's just old school. That's that neighborhood
Speaker 1: and stuff. You know what I mean. I mean, he
Speaker 1: was going to you was going between the legs and
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you said in in
Speaker 1: high school and then in the pros, you did it.
Speaker 1: What do you think about the creativity? So you know,
Speaker 1: to this point, because all these dunks have been done,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, So you gotta come with
Speaker 1: some crazy ship now to make a way. But these
Speaker 1: kids are coming with that crazy ship and making away.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on to being a former slam
Speaker 1: dunk champ? So, I want a lot right since ninety three, right,
Speaker 1: people have been going between Let was cold Evince Brian,
Speaker 1: you know Brian never been but other dudes, you know,
Speaker 1: it was going between the legs. And I was like, man,
Speaker 1: this is crazy j Rich and you know I just
Speaker 1: this us. I was like, are you kidding me right now?
Speaker 1: I mean, these dudes, we're doing some crazy stuff, man,
Speaker 1: and still doing crazy stuff. So to me, the evolution
Speaker 1: of the dunk. Like, So I didn't practice dunks, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? I didn't. I didn't you know
Speaker 1: the first dunt dunk said the second. I didn't go
Speaker 1: out there. I don't have a routine. I don't know
Speaker 1: what else gonna do. I hadn't practice no dunks, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Need coming up in high school,
Speaker 1: you know, everybody had to bouncing ones and we we
Speaker 1: dunked out, you know what I mean? Here On Minor
Speaker 1: used to go at it in high school and so
Speaker 1: we do. And we heard that name in a minute. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we hused to go out of high school. I mean
Speaker 1: Southern cow local. We we yeah, we had a roll
Speaker 1: and without getting said practice, we just went off the cuff.
Speaker 1: So now dudes is taken behind the back, taking you know,
Speaker 1: practice and looking at pro dunkers, taking time, getting the
Speaker 1: time and getting advice from dudes, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and going in the lab and getting major dunks off,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I just look at
Speaker 1: it like the evolution is incredible, man. I mean just
Speaker 1: to go from a simple baseline between the lads too.
Speaker 1: At the end of my dunk contest, so I used
Speaker 1: to throw it up to and into my dunk contest,
Speaker 1: I'm talking to Sean Kemp like they wanted to doing
Speaker 1: more dunk. I'm like, man, I'm gonna throw it up,
Speaker 1: go off verse and throw it between legs and Antonio
Speaker 1: and David like, man, you're good that out said, Like
Speaker 1: all right, so I wouldn't did something else. With that
Speaker 1: being said, I look at it now, like, man, they're
Speaker 1: going behind the back, off the backward. It's incredible. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm at all you know what I mean When I
Speaker 1: see these dudes, you know what I mean? With that
Speaker 1: being said, man, I think Aaron Goring went Aaron Gordon
Speaker 1: want the Dunk contest. It's been getting two times something, man,
Speaker 1: baby with two man, they ain't any stuff doing that
Speaker 1: to that kid. How you feel about that, that Dunk
Speaker 1: being named the jail riding Like every time I see
Speaker 1: somebody do it, I ain't somebody to talk about it
Speaker 1: between the legs like I'm gonna try to jail riding
Speaker 1: like that. That that astual Dunk is basically named after you. Now, man, say,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that because I was starting to
Speaker 1: think otherwise because the NBA don't give me no prost. Man.
Speaker 1: You know, the real was no man, the real was
Speaker 1: no doubt. My goodness. Man. Look the bottom line, they're
Speaker 1: doing it way better than the original now, but they
Speaker 1: still home with the legs and win the Dunk contest
Speaker 1: in brond Isn't that you mean? That dunk has lasted
Speaker 1: a long thirty years? Man? You know what? And that's
Speaker 1: me behind me. So with that being said, look, I
Speaker 1: feel I'm glad you see that because when I'm around people,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't. I don't hear that much. I
Speaker 1: just see him saying. So I'm around a lot of
Speaker 1: kids and we're getting over so they might they might
Speaker 1: just say that East Bad funked him and not even
Speaker 1: though I'm right there you you know what story, I
Speaker 1: want to shout you out and everyone involved. It was
Speaker 1: in the process of changing the All Star Game that
Speaker 1: ship was amazing. Ship was amazing, the competition level, the excitement, um,
Speaker 1: the quality of play, Like, I really want to tip
Speaker 1: my hat to you, bro, especially because you brought life
Speaker 1: back because that that that game was all life support,
Speaker 1: real talk and you and whoever helped you come up
Speaker 1: with the idea. UM, definitely a shout out to you.
Speaker 1: But tell me how that came about, because I know
Speaker 1: you were very integral and that happening. That's crazy because
Speaker 1: I'll be I'll be forgetting about that sometimes. It's funny
Speaker 1: that even even the whole thing adoring the draft, how
Speaker 1: you draft now? Right as far as the All Star Game,
Speaker 1: uh me, Michelle robertson Adam and their team, we actually
Speaker 1: came up with that idea too. And the reasoning behind
Speaker 1: that was, like, I've been blessed to playing all these
Speaker 1: All Star of games, but I felt like I was
Speaker 1: playing with the same guys year in a year out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I was, and I'm always looking at it from
Speaker 1: a fan perspective. So the funniest thing is that I
Speaker 1: actually sort of came up with that idea, but I
Speaker 1: never made an All Star game to play an it
Speaker 1: since right, right, right, since coming up with that idea,
Speaker 1: I had made an All Star game to play in it.
Speaker 1: And so last year, the TVT tournament that comes on
Speaker 1: right during the summer, the championship games in Chicago. I'm
Speaker 1: a big fan, had a team in the tv T.
Speaker 1: I was at the game and it was crazy. It
Speaker 1: was crazy or how your state won the championship. So
Speaker 1: after the game, I called Adam, Well, I think before
Speaker 1: the game, I called Adam and I was like, Adam,
Speaker 1: you should watch this game, watch the TVT. I think
Speaker 1: we should try to introduce it into the All Star Game.
Speaker 1: Adam watched it. We talked about it, you know, for
Speaker 1: a while for a while for a while, and then, um,
Speaker 1: you know, when we unfortunately lost our brother Kobe or whatnot,
Speaker 1: me and Adam talked again about how to sort of
Speaker 1: switch it up a little bit to honor Kobe at
Speaker 1: the same time. And then what was even better was
Speaker 1: that I finally made the All Star Game, right, which
Speaker 1: I didn't know that was gonna happen. And you know me, Maddie,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm crazy competitive. So yeah, time man listen and
Speaker 1: that that's That's one of the biggest things I miss
Speaker 1: about Cobe and not getting that opportunity to play with
Speaker 1: him when the trade stuff happen, is that I was there.
Speaker 1: They blocked that ship. I couldn't believe. Remember what I
Speaker 1: was talking to you, you were talking to me and Code.
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, what You're gonna fucking love l A.
Speaker 1: There's nothing like being a Laker. Next day, I know
Speaker 1: they blocked David Stern blocks the trade. They said it's
Speaker 1: over for that. That was crazy. That was crazy. But
Speaker 1: the crazy part about the All Star Games is that
Speaker 1: me and Cole used to always say we won't lose
Speaker 1: because I st that. Yeah, we used to beat the
Speaker 1: hell out of people. And the thing was, you know,
Speaker 1: fans would be like, oh, the game wasn't good, and
Speaker 1: we'd be like, well, we just gonna teach you all
Speaker 1: that gonna do. But told us, he told you, he
Speaker 1: said he would look over at you would be like, CP,
Speaker 1: let's go every time man, listen. All Star Game two
Speaker 1: thousand nine in Phoenix, y'all should look back and see
Speaker 1: what the score was. We beat them so bad. We
Speaker 1: we want to so bad. And I never forget it
Speaker 1: because Phil Jackson was the coach right and I remember
Speaker 1: coming in the locker room for the All Star game.
Speaker 1: Usually All Star game locker room its chills, like Shock
Speaker 1: was on the team, Shock the wilder in the locker room.
Speaker 1: Man Phil Jackson coming there and he was like, Paul,
Speaker 1: what does Irison like to do? I was like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's going on this All Star game? Phil Jackson, he
Speaker 1: coached that game. We went out there and we sort
Speaker 1: of play almost like it was man and man. But
Speaker 1: if somebody had the ball on the right wing, he
Speaker 1: was shipped like Kyl Gasol had to come over to
Speaker 1: the elbow, so it looked like his zone right. Somebody's
Speaker 1: researched figure out what the score was because Braun and
Speaker 1: d Waden was oh mad during the game. It was
Speaker 1: it was like I was gonna play his own We
Speaker 1: water him up. That's what's something. No man shout out
Speaker 1: to Kobe, but no tell but tell us, just tell
Speaker 1: us about how it finally came about, like I said,
Speaker 1: and just how you guys felt his players out there,
Speaker 1: because like I said, you got that fourth quarter was unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Tell what's that was like? So um first and foremost
Speaker 1: your honest you know, he got that mentality too. And
Speaker 1: you know all Star games. This is what's tricky too.
Speaker 1: You know all Star game when somebody drive down the
Speaker 1: lane to dunk, everybody usually do what move out the
Speaker 1: way right because don't nobodyn't want to get hurt. Don't
Speaker 1: nobody want to do nothing, So you're honest and smart.
Speaker 1: He just kept driving. Everybody moved out the way. So
Speaker 1: I told us in the huddle, I said, oh, hell no,
Speaker 1: this that ain't gonna work. That ain't gonna work because
Speaker 1: he know he can just score every time if if
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna move and so I mean all game long,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like Jay Kid then was
Speaker 1: over there and all that because it was our assistant coaches,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah that we we gotta go
Speaker 1: because the way it was set up too. If somebody
Speaker 1: gets a lead too big, then you in trouble in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. Man and and the dopest part two
Speaker 1: and I shout out to coach Vogel for letting me
Speaker 1: play is that usually to end the game, the starters
Speaker 1: usually in the game, you had such a big effect
Speaker 1: to me. You were in definitely in the All Star
Speaker 1: the m v p uh conversation. You had a hell
Speaker 1: of a game. Man. But you know what I told
Speaker 1: Coach Vogo before the game, and he dun the mothercker
Speaker 1: got a dunk. Yeah, keep that low, stack, keep that low.
Speaker 1: He looked up. This is what I told Coach Vogel
Speaker 1: for the for the game, but people probably don't even realize.
Speaker 1: I told him in the locker room. I said, listen, coach,
Speaker 1: I ain't wanted them dudes to be like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to play and save me for the second half
Speaker 1: of the season. I want to hoot. I told him that.
Speaker 1: I told him that. I said, don't be treating me
Speaker 1: like the old guy over here that just want to rest,
Speaker 1: even though you oldest, go ahead, Hey, you only as
Speaker 1: old as a mentor that's met. Hey, Hey, listen, I
Speaker 1: told him that, and so I appreciate him for respecting
Speaker 1: that because not not losing out now, you guys brought
Speaker 1: it back and we appreciate it. We were there. What's
Speaker 1: the most memorable moment of your second year? Most memorable
Speaker 1: moment has to be All Star, All Star Weekend being
Speaker 1: in the All Star Game starting. I saw it. I
Speaker 1: saw it on your face. Bro, we was down. I
Speaker 1: saw it all on your face. Yeah, I was. I
Speaker 1: was excited, did it? Man? I ain't gonna lie. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't get nervous like I always get anxious for games,
Speaker 1: like I'm just ready to play, like I'm just ready
Speaker 1: for it to go. But I ain't know a lot.
Speaker 1: All Start night was the first night in a long
Speaker 1: time that I was like, all right, man, like, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of man like, this is, this is I'm starting
Speaker 1: to like. I think it's a difference than being just
Speaker 1: a just an All Start and the starter too, It's like, uh,
Speaker 1: it's a different feeling. So for me, I was just
Speaker 1: ready to go out there and put on the show
Speaker 1: and have fun. And for me to be my second years,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a blessing the people that have been
Speaker 1: around for sure, No congrats man, like you said to
Speaker 1: to to get voted in to be a starter is
Speaker 1: a whole another level, especially in your second year with however,
Speaker 1: you know, there's so many talented guards now you mean,
Speaker 1: there's so many talented guards, So for you to be
Speaker 1: on the scene as your second year as a starter. Man.
Speaker 1: That's definitely hats off to all the hard work you
Speaker 1: put in, man, what you've been able to accomplish. I
Speaker 1: appreciate that. If you can go back, maybe before you're born,
Speaker 1: maybe just before you got to the league and sit
Speaker 1: courtside to watch any two superstars go out, and what
Speaker 1: would that matchup be towards any two superstars? Um, good question.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't watch that All Star game when Jordan and
Speaker 1: Kobe played against each other. Was that Kobe's first second
Speaker 1: All Star game? That was his job showed out? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was his first one. They went out his first
Speaker 1: that would have been This is All a Smoke, a
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Speaker 1: partnership with Showtime