1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: iHeart Podcasts bring you the ultimate Summer of love Tree. 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: This is Famously Available. Welcome back to Famously Available. I'm 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: your host, Ben Higgins, and on this podcast, I have 4 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: the pleasure of getting to do a deeper dive into 5 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: the love lives of some incredible single women. You've gotten 6 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: to know them through Bachelor Nation, but this time they're 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: taking control of their love lives and putting themselves out 8 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: there to hopefully find their match. We here, famously Available, 9 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: get to be a part of it. We've already started 10 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: the journey with Deanna Mercedes, but we told you and 11 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 1: hinted at at some point we'd eventually get a golden 12 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: So now, without further ado, we have three generations of women, 13 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: all looking for love, and I'm excited to announce our 14 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: golden famously Available woman is no other than the one 15 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: we love, the one we support, the one we cherish, 16 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: the one that we know. Kathy Swartz, Hello, Kathy, Oh 17 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: my goodness, I'm so good. This This was a journey 18 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: getting you locked in for this. I remember, Kathy when 19 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: this whole idea got brought up to you, kind of 20 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: when we started recording and getting you know, Mercedes and 21 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 1: Dianna that you said I want to do this, and 22 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: due to some hurdles and speed bumps, we couldn't quite 23 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: make it work. We finally did, But you've been ready 24 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: for this for a while. 25 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 2: That is ultrue true Savings. 26 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: Today, we're just gonna get to know you better. We 27 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: know you well. You're very vulnerable, transparent to anybody that 28 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: listens to your show. But today we're going to kind 29 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: of dig in a little bit to what this season 30 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: of life you're most looking forward to when it comes 31 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: to maybe finding a partner. Kathy, I do want to 32 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: start though, just to give everybody kind of a recap. 33 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: You were on the Golden Bachelor. Have you dated since then? 34 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: Yes, I have unsuccessfully. 35 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: How unsuccessfully like one date done any like interest, or 36 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: just how unsuccessfully on. 37 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 2: A scale one to ten. Since I'm single, I've given 38 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 2: a ten. You know, I've dated. I've had several one 39 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 2: time dates. I've had several two time dates. But the 40 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: thing for me is I'm at a point in my 41 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 2: life where I know what I'm looking for, and so 42 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 2: you know, I don't spend a lot of time saying 43 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 2: we maybe I can make it work. If it doesn't work, 44 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 2: it doesn't work. 45 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: This is going to be a fun show. You know 46 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: what you're looking for? Then, before we kind of dig 47 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: into what you're looking for. Now, I do want to 48 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: take a second. One thing I know about you is 49 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: you absolutely door your family. You love your family, You 50 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: love your grandkids. We also became familiar with your love 51 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: story up until the Golden Bachelor during the Golden Bachelor. 52 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: For listeners out there who maybe didn't watch that season 53 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: or just can't remember, can you give us kind of 54 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: a recap of your love story up until the Golden 55 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: Bachelor and also a little idea of where your family 56 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: stands today. 57 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 2: So before so, I was married almost forty six years. 58 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: I met my husband when I just turned eighteen, I 59 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 2: got married. I met him at college the first week 60 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: of university. We were married eighteen months later. I was 61 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 2: married almost forty six years. And my husband died by suicide. 62 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: As I said, almost six years ago or just over 63 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 2: six years ago. And my daughter just had a baby, 64 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 2: and I was sitting with her in the nick You 65 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 2: and scrolling through Facebook book and I saw an advertisement 66 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 2: for women sixty five and over for the Golden Batchlman. 67 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 2: I thought, why not clicked the button and six weeks 68 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 2: later I was in a mansion outside of LA and 69 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 2: that was great fun. It was clear really quickly to 70 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 2: me that Gary and I were not a nice guy 71 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 2: but not my guy. But I had a great time 72 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: and I made lots of friends and came home from 73 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 2: from that show feeling I'm pretty confident I know who 74 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 2: I am, and so the show didn't really change me. 75 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 2: It just affirmed who I am, and so I came 76 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 2: home and when I you know, when I was allowed to, 77 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 2: I sort of got back into the dating pool again. 78 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 2: Let me underscore unsuccessfully. And my kids, my sons were 79 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: very supportive of me doing the Bachelor. My daughter thought 80 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 2: it was great until they chose me that. She was like, Mom, 81 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 2: You're not really doing this, are you. She's now it's 82 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 2: been enough time since her dad has passed, and she 83 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 2: is now very supportive. All three of my kids are 84 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 2: very supportive of me finding somebody. 85 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 1: I'm sure, I mean for you. I think the difference 86 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: with you compared to some of the other golden women 87 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: I know is you are one that took the chance 88 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: on yourself. You said, I see this, I want this again, 89 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: I desire this again. If we can like pull back 90 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: the layer a bit. Why do you want this again? Like, 91 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: why are you so intentional on finding your next partner? 92 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, it's not my next partner. It's 93 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 2: going to be my last partner. But the reason for 94 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 2: me is I am an active, I'm fun, I love 95 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 2: to laugh, I love to live, and I just think 96 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 2: that's better with a partner. I have lots of great friends, 97 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 2: but I want someone. You know, it sounds like something 98 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 2: out of a Hallmark card, but I want someone to 99 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 2: share those sunsets with, someone to travel with, someone to 100 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 2: cook dinner with and have a glass of wine while 101 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 2: I'm slicing my fingers off cutting cucumbers for the salad. 102 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: That to me is just it doesn't feel complete. I 103 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 2: am complete without a man, but my life doesn't feel 104 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 2: complete without a man. 105 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: And these are things that you've looked for, as you said, 106 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: since your time on the Golden Gary wasn't your guy, 107 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: but you came out of it with a ton of friendships. 108 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: And we also got to see you in Paradise with 109 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: another friendship. Ye, Kathy, you seem to be really good 110 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: at building friendships right now? Are you good at the 111 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: romantic side given the. 112 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 2: Chance, Yes, I am I think the thing is the 113 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 2: men that I've met Keith on Paradise. He and I 114 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 2: are great friends. Talked with him last night on the 115 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 2: phone for an hour. We're great friends, but we're not 116 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 2: a good romantic match. But I am a you know, 117 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 2: people say they're hopeless romantics. I am a hopeful romantic. 118 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 2: I believe in love. I believe I'm worthy. All those 119 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 2: things that people say, they say them repetitively because they're true. 120 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,119 Speaker 2: We're all deserving of love. We're all deserving of finding 121 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 2: that special person. I just haven't found him. 122 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:17,119 Speaker 1: Okay, are you ready to deep dive into this person? Okay, 123 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,679 Speaker 1: it's kind of going to feel rapid fire. If that's okay, 124 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: We're just going to kind of bounce around because today 125 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: is to get to know your type. As our listeners 126 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: start this whole thing out, let's just start with what 127 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: usually somebody is most attuned to in the first meeting. 128 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: What do you find most attractive or what kind of 129 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: traits do you find attractive physical and also in personality? 130 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 2: So easy for me, The first thing that attracts me 131 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 2: is a man's eyes and a smile. Don't care of 132 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 2: his hair, don't care if he's bald. I'd like to 133 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 2: be taller than I am. I want someone who can 134 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 2: laugh with me. It's those I don't really want to 135 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 2: shine man. I want someone who knows how to have fun, 136 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 2: who will listen to me, and it'll be a joint partnership. 137 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: Okay, I want to push back a little bit on this. Okay, 138 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: you are not shy. No, I'm not, and you do 139 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: love to have a good time. I think I said 140 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: it to Ashley when Kathy's in the room. I also 141 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: think Susan has this category, this characteristic about her. I 142 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: love Nancy. She's one of my favorite people I've ever 143 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: been around. She doesn't have this. I don't have this. 144 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: So it's not a good or bad. But when you 145 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 1: two walk into a room, the energy level gets picked up. 146 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: It just does. Also, the noise level gets picked up. 147 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: It does. 148 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 2: Guilty on all accounts. Guilty. 149 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: And as I've witnessed relationships grow, oftentimes it is the shier, 150 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: more quiet, admiring person that compliments the louder, more energetic human. 151 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: You're saying you want somebody that can hold his own 152 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: I'm saying, what if this guy is just the like 153 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: admirer of your energy and supports you as you continue 154 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: to pick up a room and he just doesn't take 155 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 1: up that much space. 156 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 2: So so my husband was that kind of guy, wonderful 157 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 2: in every way. But here's the thing, and I say 158 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 2: this all the time. If a man says to me, Wow, 159 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: you're a lot, You're too much, I say, no, No, I'm 160 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 2: not too much. You're just not enough for me. I 161 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 2: think I can find that because I'm not blowing up 162 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 2: a room all the time. I'm not high energy all 163 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 2: the time. That's what people see because it's through TV, 164 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 2: it's through a podcasts where that's what I'm doing. But 165 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 2: believe me, I can settle in in front of a 166 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 2: fire with a glass of wine and just have low 167 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 2: key conversation be very happy as well. You just have 168 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 2: to get to know me first, and therein lies the rub, 169 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 2: right because I am a big person. But at the 170 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 2: same time, Ben, I can't be what I'm not. I 171 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 2: can't be that sweet, chy, demure person because that is 172 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 2: an authentic and a guy's going to pick up on 173 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 2: that really quickly. 174 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think you should change it all. I 175 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: love you for who you are and I do think though, 176 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: there is that ability for somebody not to feel like 177 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: you're too much, but for the quieter, shier person to 178 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: never feel like you're too much, but to also never 179 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: have to meet you where you're at energy level wise, 180 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: can support you, be there for you, but maybe not 181 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: have that same boisterous kind of spirit. 182 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 2: Yes, to be clear, I'm not looking for Kathy's twin. 183 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 2: I'm not looking to look in the mirror and see 184 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 2: me in a male form. But I'm looking for someone 185 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 2: who has energy, who wants to do things, who has opinions, 186 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 2: who we can have intellectual conversation with where we can laugh. 187 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 2: So you have to have some amount of personality. I 188 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 2: don't want to sit back and quote run the show. 189 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 2: I don't want a guy who wants to sit back 190 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 2: and let me run the show. 191 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: No, that's exhausting. It's not a partnership. Has your type 192 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: evolved over time? This is something I'm intrigued by talking 193 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: to you. With Mercedes, you know, obviously she's younger, she's 194 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: still trying to figure this thing out. You know, Dianna 195 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: is different because she's gone through a divorce and she's 196 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: trying to do this again, and she's trying to figure 197 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: out what her type is. Honestly, I think we're all 198 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: trying to figure it out, and it's kind of fun 199 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: or interesting to watch that. But you do know, I 200 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: think what your type is has it changed. 201 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 2: It's somewhat. First of all, when I was younger looks, 202 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 2: you didn't hear me say he has to have dark hair, 203 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 2: or he has to have who He doesn't have to 204 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 2: be a specific hight. I like to wear heels. Would 205 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 2: be nice if I could get a guy a little 206 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 2: taller than I am. But those exterior characteristics at my 207 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 2: age means so much less to me now than they 208 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 2: used to. And it's their heart, it's their character, it's 209 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 2: their integrity. Means so much more to me now. You know, 210 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 2: I want a guy who, as I've said it a 211 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 2: million times, who wants me for me, who wakes up 212 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 2: every day next to me and looks at me and says, Wow, 213 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 2: how do we get so lucky at this stage of 214 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 2: our life. You didn't hear me say, you know, he's 215 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 2: got curly black hair, or he had a particular profession. 216 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 2: I think at my age, I am financially set. I 217 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 2: have three kids, I have two grandchildren. I'm not looking 218 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 2: for a guy to build a family with. I'm looking 219 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 2: for a guy that has his family. I have my family, 220 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 2: and we will integrate our families together. 221 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: It's a it's an interesting situation or path you're in. Now, 222 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: what if this guy doesn't have a family. Is that 223 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: a red flag? Okay, no, it's. 224 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 2: A red flag. I won't date. I dated a man 225 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 2: once who had never been married. I won't do that again. 226 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 2: Interesting why because the man what I found was and 227 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 2: I realized that's not fair. Maybe to throw all men 228 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 2: in a barrel, but because he had never been married, 229 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 2: everything revolved around him fair enough. His life. Dislikes his travel, 230 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 2: his home. He didn't really want to make space to 231 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 2: to coordinate a life lack of a better word. With me, 232 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 2: someone who doesn't have children, that doesn't bother me because 233 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 2: you don't know maybe they really wanted children. I've dated 234 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 2: men who don't have children, but they're very close with 235 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 2: their nieces and nephews. The interesting thing that you haven't 236 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 2: asked me yet, which I I find so interesting given 237 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 2: the golden bachelor or scenario, what we've been through. And 238 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 2: I've said this from the beginning, I'm the girl that'll move. 239 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 2: I will move to be with a guy because that's 240 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 2: what our plans are for I can come back and 241 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 2: spend a week a month with my kids and my grandkids. 242 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 2: I'm the very one who will move. 243 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's a conversation we've heard so many 244 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: times come up from the Golden Bachelor, and you're one 245 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: of the onlies that have said it openly, like I 246 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: would move. 247 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would. 248 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: I don't even know if that was a question I 249 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: was going to ask, But I think I'm interested in why. 250 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you have your house, ye, you have your 251 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: you know, you have your own rhythms, your own friendships. 252 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: Why would you be interested in moving? 253 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 2: Because I don't. First of all, I don't believe long 254 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 2: distance relationships work. I think they're fun, and I think 255 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 2: they're exciting, and I think but that to me is 256 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 2: not the committed relationship I'm looking for. I'm not saying 257 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 2: that doesn't work for some people. That is not the 258 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 2: relationship I want. So, you know, if when I said 259 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 2: I would move, I would keep my house. We could 260 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 2: go back and forth. In other words, at our age, 261 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 2: we're not raising children. I don't have to get my 262 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 2: son to baseball practice. We're more fluid. We can go 263 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 2: his place, my place, but people who are very fixcated 264 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 2: on staying in their location. I don't really get that personally. 265 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: The part here that I think I relate with and 266 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: I get it. I hear what you're saying. If somebody 267 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: hasn't been married. I was even nervous about this. You know. 268 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: I had met my wife in my late twenties. We 269 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: dated for a few years, we got engaged, COVID hit 270 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: and so we were together a long time. I mean 271 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: I felt like I was single or not married for 272 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: a long period of my life. And I told my 273 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: wife this when we got engaged. I said, there are 274 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: things that I just do because I've never had to 275 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: ask anyone. I live alone, I have my job, I 276 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: travel when I want. You know, I don't have these 277 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: responsibilities over these people. And that's going to be a 278 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: hard kind of like ripping away at me at certain 279 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: things because of the rhythm and the period of time 280 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: in my life that I've just done this. I have 281 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: to learn what it's like to be in relationship because 282 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: I hadn't been. So I get it. I mean, goodness, 283 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: you give me sixty years of that, seventy years of that. 284 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: That's a long time. 285 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 2: But here's the thing. You ask me how I'm different. 286 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 2: Another way, I am extremely different from when I was younger. 287 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 2: I am so much more flexible now, you know, the 288 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 2: little things just don't matter any more to me, and 289 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 2: the older I get, the bigger things become smaller and smaller. 290 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 2: I just don't care. Oh you really want to do that? 291 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 2: Where before I might have put up a fighter or 292 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 2: say no, no, no, and try to try to get 293 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 2: into it. Who cares? Life is short? I mean, I say, 294 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 2: I'm just filled with these little pithy otages, you know, quotes, 295 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 2: but I just don't care. Do I have to live 296 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 2: with a man twenty four to seven? No, But I'm 297 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 2: open to exploring various ways of making a relationship work. 298 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 2: What I'm not willing to do is have a relationship 299 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 2: where I see, I'm making this up, see a guy 300 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 2: two weekends a month, because that, to me, is for me, 301 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 2: is not the relationship I want. And in terms of evolving, 302 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 2: that is one of the biggest changes in me. I'm 303 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 2: just so much more flexible than I used to be. 304 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 2: And people talk about the you know, compromise, you have 305 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 2: to compromise in a relationship. I've said this repeatedly. Yes, 306 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 2: you have to compromise, you also have to sacrifice. And 307 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 2: my same example is if I'm red and you're blue, 308 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 2: sometimes it's going to be red and sometimes it's going 309 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 2: to be blue. Well, if I want it to be 310 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 2: red and it's blue, that is sacrifice, that's not compromise. 311 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 2: I am sacrificing what I want for you, the red 312 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 2: and blue. The compromises when you mix the pap two 313 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 2: colors together and you get purple. And I think sometimes 314 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 2: people forget that. But at my age, I am so 315 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,199 Speaker 2: much more willing to sacrifice and compromise than I was 316 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 2: when I was younger. 317 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: I mean, tell me if I'm wrong. I'm just trying 318 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: to I'm always wrong, Goodness, ask my wife. Like if 319 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: we're summarizing the conversation at this point, one of the 320 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: things that you are are most looking forward to when 321 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: it comes to this final partner is experiences, the compromise, 322 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: the sacrifice. But these experiences, it feels like you have 323 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: this deep desire to explore the world with a curiosity 324 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: that has not gone away, with an excitement that has 325 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,719 Speaker 1: not gone away. And as much fun as that is 326 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: to do with friends and to do alone, you're really 327 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: wanting somebody to get out into the world with to 328 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: do these things that you've dreamed of, planned for, thought about. 329 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 2: Yes, and I've traveled a lot. The other thing, then, 330 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 2: is I have a lot of energy. I walk five 331 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 2: miles a day, I kayak, I work out with weights. 332 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 2: I do a lot of things that a lot of 333 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 2: people my age don't do. And so that has been 334 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 2: a problem for me to find someone who, in equal 335 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 2: measure has not just an adventurous spirit, but the physicality 336 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 2: to actually do those things. 337 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 1: We've seen you obviously on the Golden Bachelor, We've seen 338 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 1: you on Paradise. I don't think Paradise was fair to 339 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,719 Speaker 1: be to make a judgment calm, because there wasn't a 340 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: plethora of men coming on the beach. But you have 341 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: gotten to watch now the Golden Bachelorette with Joan. Is 342 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 1: there any guys that kind of stood out to you 343 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 1: from Gary, I guess we'll throw him in the pot 344 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: two then the Paradise into all these other men who 345 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: maybe got wrapped up in relationships and couldn't come to Paradise. 346 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: Is there anybody on those shows that have stood up 347 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: to you so far. 348 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 2: That I would date? 349 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: Yeah? 350 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 2: No, I love c k and I are extremely good friends. 351 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 2: I love him, we talk all the time, but you know, 352 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 2: he's moving I believe into a relationship, and Keith and 353 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 2: I are really good friends. But no, and to be fair, 354 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 2: many of those guys are in relationships with women, and 355 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 2: a lot of those women are quite a bit younger 356 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 2: than they are. I am not going to apologize for 357 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 2: who I am, or my age or anything else. It's 358 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 2: just not a good match. Joan is what is She's 359 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 2: sixty two, I think, and so her bevy, if you will, 360 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 2: her stable of men were young. And our culture, whether 361 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 2: I like it or not, I'm not complaining our culture is. 362 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 2: It takes a special guy who's willing to date an 363 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 2: older woman. My son got married two years ago to 364 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 2: a woman ten years older than he, but that's unusual, 365 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 2: and so for me there's a disparity. There's a disconnect 366 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 2: between my age and my energy level. 367 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 1: Would you be willing to date younger? 368 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely, I think I'm going to have to because 369 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 2: well I shouldn't that it's not like a punishment. I 370 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 2: would prefer to date younger because they're going to have 371 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 2: theoretically more energy and more desire and willingness to travel. 372 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 2: You've heard my thing ben about used to guys. You 373 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 2: know that as they get older men, you know, do 374 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 2: you kayact? Do you snow? Ski? Oh? I used to ski, 375 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 2: used to play tennis? I used to And I call 376 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 2: them used to guys because now they sit on the 377 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 2: couch with a baseball hat turned backwards with a can 378 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 2: of bear in their hands. 379 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: So would you get older. 380 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 2: If they have the energy? Age to me really is 381 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 2: just I don't care. I don't want to date a 382 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 2: guy who's working full time because then you're limited in 383 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 2: what you can do. 384 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: Okay, so you need So we're looking for somebody retired 385 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: or partially retired with time on their hands. Who has energy. 386 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: Seems like the big the big attraction here. It also 387 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 1: seems like the differentiator on if you'd be into it 388 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: or not. Energy is the key focus and kindness. 389 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 2: I need a man who is kind, who has a 390 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 2: warm heart, who is spiritual, who who has lots of interests. 391 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 2: And you're gonna laugh. But I don't cook a lot, 392 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 2: So if a man is looking for a cook, I'm 393 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 2: probably not your girl. I make great breakfast, but that's 394 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 2: kind of about it. 395 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, here's one that's a little more personal You are 396 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:20,439 Speaker 1: financially stable, you are able to explore, you do have 397 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 1: the flexibility. Say a guy comes in at high energy levels, 398 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: super kind, just absolutely adores you. Are you okay with 399 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: him maybe not being as financially stable. Let's say he didn't, 400 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: you know, have a career that brought that upon and 401 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 1: that you maybe are supporting financially this new relationship. 402 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 2: No, I again, I am nothing of not honest, No, 403 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 2: I'm not okay with that. And I'll tell you why. 404 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 2: My husband worked really hard. I did too, but my 405 00:23:54,720 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 2: husband worked really hard, and my money, you know, whatever, 406 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 2: I don't spend or meet when I turn one hundred 407 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 2: and twenty for health care, he's going to go to 408 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 2: my kids. 409 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: Okay, So no, I can't. 410 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 2: That just feels it feels disrespectful to my husband and 411 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 2: the and the and the marriage we had. So no, 412 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 2: that's I can't do that. 413 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: Have you thought about this before, like, is this something 414 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: I'm just curious more for your own personal life. Has 415 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: this been a thought through your head of what would 416 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: be respectful now in this season and what wouldn't. 417 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 2: Be Yes, yes, you know I'm my behavior. I believe 418 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 2: I act respectfully. I think you know my husband looking 419 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 2: down would be proud of who I am and how 420 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 2: I've behaved, if you will. But I am not going 421 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 2: to date a thirty year old because he's got a 422 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 2: lot of entergy. No, that's just that's not respectful. To 423 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 2: my kids, it's not respectful. It's just not it's not happening. 424 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, So what I mean you started to get into there? 425 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: What things are respectful? Like? What things kind of do 426 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: fall into that? This feels right to my kids, to 427 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 1: my husband, to yourself. 428 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 2: It's it's dating a man who respects the marriage I had. 429 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 2: I respect the relationship he had, but we're sort of 430 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 2: starting from this neutral place where we're building a relationship together. 431 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 2: I am not looking to replace my husband, Ben. I 432 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 2: could never do that. But again, these just sound like 433 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 2: some of a Hallmark card. But you know, my heart 434 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 2: was broken when he died, and but as time has 435 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 2: gone by and I've done the work I needed to do, 436 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 2: my heart has expanded. So what is respectful is having 437 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 2: a relationship that is about love and caring. I mean 438 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 2: that It's pretty simple to me. 439 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it sounds like meual support both financially, oh personally, 440 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: and this that Hey, I'm not dragging you along and 441 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: doing this whole thing on my own. We're entering this 442 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: life together, conjoining the lives we've built. 443 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 2: He can spoil me, I mean if he wants, if 444 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 2: he wants to find me first class, I'm not telling 445 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 2: him now. Let's be clear. 446 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: You deserve it. Kathy. Thanks a little bit about dating here. 447 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: Would you kiss on the first date? 448 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 2: Yep? Yeah? And have. 449 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: You said that very quickly? Yeah, Okay, I'm gonna touch you. 450 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 2: I'm a central person, I'm a toucher, i'm a hugger, 451 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 2: I'm all those things. 452 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:43,479 Speaker 1: So yeah, And with dating in general, I mean I 453 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: thought this is where you're gonna go. When you said 454 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: yes so quickly, I would imagine just with what you're 455 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: looking for and this next chapter of life, the final partner, 456 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: there's an intentionality to dating. I mean in your mind. 457 00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: I think this is a very unfair question, but I 458 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: think it's interesting. How quickly would you move on from 459 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: like first date to hey, let's actually like make this 460 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: thing official, let's get this thing going. I feel like 461 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: there's an expedite, a timeline. 462 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 2: And and that is again where I've evolved. If I 463 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 2: meet somebody and I have before it hasn't worked out. 464 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 2: But if I've met if I meet someone, I can 465 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 2: feel it, it's you know, you can call it the butterflies, 466 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 2: you can call it whatever you want. I have this 467 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 2: sense inside that I want to get to know this person. 468 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 2: I see where we have so much in common. There's 469 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 2: some his smile, his eyes. I want to go. I 470 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 2: want to go down that road, and I will go 471 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 2: down it quickly if I if I feel that. 472 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,479 Speaker 1: With the guy, is it important that you go down 473 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: it quickly? Though? 474 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 2: No? Okay, But but here's the thing I don't I 475 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 2: don't want to be I'm I'm I'm not dating for 476 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 2: the sake of dating, because you know, I have a 477 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 2: pretty schedule. I'm dating intentionally to find that person. So 478 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 2: if a guy says to me, you know, I'm just 479 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 2: casually dating. You know, I have ten dates a week, 480 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 2: I already know he's not my guy because he's not 481 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 2: in he's not dating with the intentionality that I am. 482 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 2: Even though if he meets me, I usually you know, 483 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 2: I can knock him off. Their knock him off, their games, 484 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 2: say maybe maybe I should pick you. 485 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, this is gonna be a lot of fun, Kathy. 486 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: This has been fantastic. I think we've gotten a good overview. 487 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: We're gonna come back with you during a future episode 488 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: and do the rapid Fire quiz to really like, just 489 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: like hit these points. But the elaboration on some of 490 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: this has been really helpful. Kathy, this journey is just 491 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: getting started. I am excited to watch it along the way, 492 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: this has been famously Available, introducing our golden famously available human, 493 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: Kathy Swartz. Thanks for joining us. Until next time, I've 494 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: been bad. 495 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 2: H