1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,559 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 2: Our girl was not killed by a tree. You know, 3 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 2: going through law school, I never thought those words would 4 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 2: come out of my mouth. Our daughter was not killed 5 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 2: by a tree. How can a tree kill anybody? But 6 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 2: tonight there is no arrest in the mystery death of 7 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 2: a little girl, Olivia May, just twelve years old. 8 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 3: Tonight the cod death by tree. 9 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 2: I'm not buying that, and neither are her parents, who 10 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 2: are joining us tonight. 11 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,959 Speaker 3: I want answers. Think about it. 12 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 2: What if you have a twelve year old little girl 13 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 2: who is playing. 14 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 3: A few yards from your home. 15 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: With her friends, and suddenly she's dead and the cod 16 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 2: is death by tree? 17 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,199 Speaker 3: She ran into a tree and died. 18 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 2: No, no good evening, I Meancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. 19 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 3: I want to thank you for being with us. 20 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 4: Twelve year old Olivia May Maurice Smith of cocall In Township, Michigan, 21 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 4: is seen laughing with friends, riding bikes and walking around 22 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 4: the neighborhood until a chilling nine to one one call 23 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 4: reports that the twelve year old has been seriously injured. 24 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 5: Olivia Olivia mayby Olivia. 25 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 3: Saying her name out loud. What good will it do? 26 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: None? 27 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 2: Until we have a full and complete investigation, and that 28 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 2: investigation starts with conflicting statements. When I first read about 29 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 2: Olivia's case, I read she rode her bike inexplicably into 30 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 2: a tree and died. Well, I grew up riding a 31 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 2: bike in the country, I ran into things. 32 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 3: How does that kill you? 33 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: Don't you need more velocity than that to kill yourself 34 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 2: running into a tree. 35 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 3: But then the story changed. Then she ran on foot 36 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 3: into a tree and died. 37 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 2: Again, that doesn't adhere to the rules of physics. You 38 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 2: need more velocity than that to die from running into 39 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: a tree. 40 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 3: And then the story morphs. 41 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 2: Again and again and again, which tells me somebody is 42 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: lying again. I mean to see grace. This is crime Stories. 43 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us. What 44 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 2: happened to this little girl? We have an all star 45 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 2: panel to make sense of what we are learning tonight, 46 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 2: But first I'm going to go to two very special guests. 47 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: It is Rebecca and Daring Smith joining us tonight from 48 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 2: their neighborhood there in Michigan. Their daughter Olivia out playing, 49 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 2: and suddenly they find out about this horrific quote accident. 50 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 2: Quote straight out to missus. Smith Rebecca, thank you for. 51 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 3: Being with us. What is the sequence of events that 52 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 3: happened that night? 53 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 6: So I was working, I actually worked two minutes. 54 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 7: From there, and I got a phone call around five 55 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 7: thirty saying or asking if Olivia could come out to 56 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 7: her friend's house. 57 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 6: And I said, okay, ask her dad. Dad said okay. 58 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 7: About an hour later, her friends and their mom come 59 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 7: to my story at snacks before heading to my house. 60 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 6: To get Olivia. So that was around six six thirty. 61 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 7: And then nine five I get a phone call seem 62 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 7: to come quick, there's been an accident, and then the 63 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 7: story rates itself from there. 64 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 3: Okay, see hold on, put Rebecca up, Miss Smith. I 65 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 3: know what I believe happened. You know what you were told. 66 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 3: Our listeners and viewers do not. 67 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: So when you say the story rights itself from there, 68 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 2: you get the call nine to twenty five PM. It's 69 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 2: still daylight when all of this goes down, so Olivia 70 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,679 Speaker 2: May is not wandering around in the dark. She's playing 71 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 2: with her little besties, her little neighborhood friends, not far 72 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 2: from their home. Now you get the call at nine 73 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 2: to twenty five, missus Smith, what were you told? 74 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 6: I was told that. 75 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 7: I was told that girls were chasing her and then 76 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 7: she had an accident with the tree. 77 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 3: That she ran into the tree girls chasing her. Okay, wait, 78 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 3: so you were told she ran on foot and hit 79 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 3: a tree. 80 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 6: Yep. 81 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 2: Okay, because when I first was told about the story, well, 82 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 2: first of all, it's not a story, this is real. 83 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 3: When I was. 84 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 2: First told about Olivia, I was told she was riding 85 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 2: a bike. Did you ever hear that version of the events. 86 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,239 Speaker 6: After after her death? I did. 87 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 7: Everybody was trying to reach out to me and tell 88 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 7: me what they thought happened. But that was, you know, 89 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 7: with me already seeing that there's not a bump of 90 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 7: bruise that broken anything on my daughter, still waiting for 91 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 7: the Emmy to tell me that, you know, nothing that 92 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 7: he could see was visible. So I heard many many stories, 93 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 7: but the first initial one was that she ran headfirst 94 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 7: into a tree. 95 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, right there, Rebecca. You stated that she 96 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 2: did not have a broken bone in her body, nor 97 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 2: did she have Bruce's. I'd like to see missus Smith 98 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 2: right now, Rebecca. How do you know she did not 99 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 2: have Bruce's. Did you see her after the incident? 100 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 7: Yes, I was unseen. I was begging crying, pleading. I 101 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 7: see her friend's parents trying so desperately to savor. I 102 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 7: actually called nine one one or somebody else. Tell me 103 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 7: how to do CPR. I was there. 104 00:06:59,200 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 8: I was there. 105 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 3: Tell me what happened when you got to the scene. 106 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 9: I seen Olivia laying face face up. I seen her 107 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 9: friend's dad doing chest compressions. I seen the other neighbor 108 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 9: trying to stabilize, but not mo over too much because 109 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 9: they feared maybe a broken neck because Olivia was laying 110 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 9: face up, eyes open. 111 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 7: Pupils blown, just non responsive, turning blue, and very very 112 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 7: very low clauts. 113 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: I'm just trying to take in every single word. So 114 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 2: you get the call at work nine Were you still 115 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 2: at work? 116 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 6: Yep? 117 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 3: You get the call nine twenty five, and you what 118 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 3: jump in your car? Run by foot? What I flew? 119 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 7: I flew out the door. I flew out the door 120 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 7: and and sled down there. I left everything behind and 121 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 7: just flew. 122 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 3: How long did it take you to get there, Rebecca? 123 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 6: Two point three minutes? 124 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 3: Miss Smith. 125 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 2: I'm gonna show some video of the location where this occurred, 126 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: and if you can see your screen, please look. This 127 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: was taken by you at nine zero five pm. Nine 128 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 2: five pm. You can see every single tree, isn't that true? 129 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 3: Missus Smith? 130 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 6: Yes, Nancy, miss Smith. 131 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 2: When you saw Olivia lying there the way you described, 132 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 2: what if anything, did you do? 133 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 6: Ran tour was squeezing her. 134 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 7: But given the severity of her, of her looks, of 135 00:08:55,360 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 7: her appearance, I called. I just jumped on the phone 136 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 7: and called my husband and held her for a moment. 137 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 7: But to be honest with you, now, I'm not not 138 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 7: medically trained or anything like that, but. 139 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 8: I just knew. 140 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 7: I knew the severity of the situation without meeting medical 141 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 7: medical people that tell me that it's probably not not 142 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 7: a good outcome for my daughter. 143 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 2: So I just begged, were you there when she was 144 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: taken away by the ambulance? 145 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 6: I was writing a shotgun in the ambulance? 146 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 3: You wrote in the ambulance, and what happened when you 147 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 3: got to the hospital. 148 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 7: We were greeted with the staff and then separated. The 149 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 7: trauma went one way and me and my husband and 150 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 7: my sister. 151 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 6: With the other. 152 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 3: What happened then? 153 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 6: We just hoped and prayed for. 154 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 8: A miracle. 155 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 3: When were you told about Olivia's outcome? 156 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 10: We actually we actually made that decision, but the doctor 157 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 10: did or the surgeon did come out and talk of 158 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 10: us briefly told us what was going on, said that 159 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 10: they were trying everything they could to stabilize Olivia, and 160 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 10: then she got called back again because she had codd 161 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,239 Speaker 10: and then probably. 162 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,719 Speaker 7: About fifteen to twenty minutes, came back and told us 163 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 7: that they could they stabilized her. 164 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 6: They made a care. 165 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 7: Plan that there was a doctor down in Flint that 166 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 7: was willing to air flight Olivia and accept her, but 167 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 7: they wanted to stabilize her a little more. And so 168 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 7: that's where we stood, so I didn't have a small 169 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 7: bit of hole. And then then it just it just 170 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 7: went down from there and we went to go into 171 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 7: her room where we've seen everybody doing all these compressions, 172 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 7: and it was just it was a lot. 173 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 6: You could tell that. 174 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 7: It wasn't going to work, and so me and my 175 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 7: husband called it quits at ten fifty nine pm. 176 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 3: Mister Smith, daring Smith, tell me what you experienced that night? 177 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 3: What happened? 178 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 8: Complete horror. When I got the call from my wife, 179 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 8: I just dropped everything and got there as quick as 180 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 8: I could. When I got there, it was just so unreal. 181 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 8: She was just her eyes, it was her eyes I 182 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 8: just knew from her eyes there was no no moving, 183 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 8: no movement, no matter how much I asked her to 184 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 8: look at me. I just knew. I just knew she 185 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 8: was already gone. 186 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 3: When you first arrived on the scene, What did you say. 187 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 8: I've seen paramedics had a device on my daughter doing 188 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 8: chest compressions. The officer had tried to do his best 189 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 8: to keep me back, But I mean, that's my daughter. 190 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 8: So I just kept circling, looking at her from different angles, 191 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 8: and I couldn't just wanting to see what was wrong 192 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 8: with my girl, but she was already down. She had, 193 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 8: like I said, no movement in her eyes, and I 194 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 8: all I could do is just yell her name to 195 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 8: see if she would look, and she wasn't looking at me. 196 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 3: How did you and Rebecca make the decision to stop 197 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 3: trying to revive her? 198 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 8: Right, we knew, we knew the times. We also know 199 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 8: how much time, as she didn't have oxygen into the brain. 200 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 8: I do know that they had worked on her for 201 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 8: over an hour. There's no oxygen to the brain. We'd 202 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 8: already asked them to keep trying two more times. I 203 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 8: just I don't know. I didn't know what to do 204 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 8: that staff did everything in their power to try to 205 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 8: get my daughter back up. 206 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 2: To doctor Priabanergee joining us out of Providence, board certified 207 00:13:55,120 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 2: forensic pathologist, anatomic pathologist at Anchor Forensic Pathology Consulting. She 208 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 2: has worked thousands of cases. Doctor Prey, thank you for 209 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 2: being with us. Could you explain the injuries to this 210 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 2: twelve year old little girl, Olivia? 211 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 11: Well, that's to decide even if there are injuries, correct, 212 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 11: I think it's very difficult to have injuries that are 213 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 11: sustained by just running into a tree. They could be 214 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 11: superficial scrapes or something, but to have life threatening injuries 215 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 11: would be highly unusual. You have to really accelerate into 216 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 11: a tree to get solid organ damage, bone fractures, whatnot. 217 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 11: So to me, there's more to the story, and on 218 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 11: a personal note, just the sincerest of condolences because my 219 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 11: daughter's twelve as well, and these pictures reflect my life 220 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 11: just hanging out out with friends. My daughter's walking around 221 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 11: the neighborhood, So I can't imagine the heartbreak here. 222 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 3: Doctor Brea. 223 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 2: Why would oxygen not be going to her brain? And 224 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 2: what is the result after even a minute of no 225 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 2: oxygen to your brain? 226 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 11: It's extremely significant. So what happens is the brain is 227 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 11: the most oxygen demanding organ in the body, and so 228 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 11: a minute, it's just a few minutes of no oxygen 229 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 11: will cause irreversible brain damage. It's called anoxic brain injury, 230 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 11: although it's not a physical like bleeding on the brain. 231 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 11: The brain is starved of oxygen and the cells die. 232 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 11: And so this bright shining girl, the light's basically turned out. 233 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 11: Her brain that's the center of her is no longer 234 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 11: functional and that cannot be reversed. And it makes sense 235 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 11: that unfortunately, that kind of extended oxygen deprivation, you know, 236 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 11: causes this irreversible brain damage. So the rest of her 237 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 11: may still be able to function, but the central aspect 238 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 11: of the brain not getting enough oxygen. 239 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 7: That's key here. 240 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 241 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 2: A lack of oxygen to the brain is cerebral hypoxia. 242 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 2: It stops brain cells from generating the energy they need 243 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 2: for the brain to function, and it leads to a rapid, 244 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 2: rapid cascade of damage within seconds, confusion, dizziness, loss of 245 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 2: consciousness after just four minutes. 246 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 3: Permanent brain. 247 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 2: Sell death commences after just minutes. So imagine this, Missus 248 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 2: Smith Rebecca that you now know, gets the call at work, 249 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 2: she drops everything and runs. She's there in minutes, But 250 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 2: according to what medical doctors tell us, it was too late, 251 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 2: Olivia's brain was already dying. No mother, no father could 252 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 2: have stopped that. Now, I need to understand this to 253 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 2: Rebecca or Deering, whoever wants to answer, what did people 254 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 2: tell you on the scene that happened to your girl? 255 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 2: Because that would be like what happened? I mean, had 256 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 2: they all left? Were they still there? Were they rendering aid? 257 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 2: Did they tell you how. 258 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 3: She was injured? What happened when you got there, Rebecca? 259 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 7: When I got there, as I stated, her friend's father, 260 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 7: her friend's two fathers were there, A neighbor and a 261 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 7: very close elder friend were there rendering aid, waiting for 262 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 7: paramedics to arrive. And all I heard, like I said, 263 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 7: was was the tree. But I'm staring at my daughter 264 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 7: scream and cry and begging. But I just at just see. 265 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 7: There was no There was no. 266 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 6: Proof to me. She wasn't bleeding there, there was nothing. 267 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 8: She was just gone. 268 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 7: And I didn't know why the tree. Everybody just kept 269 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 7: saying the tree, the tree. But to me, it didn't 270 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 7: make sense, because I didn't see nothing that screamed at 271 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 7: me that my daughter hit a tree. 272 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 2: Rebecca, and deary, I'm going to show you some video 273 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 2: that we've obtained, and i'd like you to explain, mister Smith, 274 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 2: what are we seeing. 275 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 8: We're watching my daughter go back towards another friend's house 276 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 8: that's actually directly behind these two girls's house. And what 277 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 8: we're going to see here is that my daughter noticed 278 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 8: that there was two other children. Now, I don't know 279 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 8: if they're telling her that the other group of kids 280 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 8: is coming, but I do know that it scared her 281 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 8: enough to run back down to the neighbor's house right 282 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 8: behind these two girls's house. 283 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 2: So right now they're pausing. They're pausing, one's looking back, 284 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 2: one in the pink shirt is pointing backwards. 285 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 3: And watch Olivia. Look, she starts running, jogging, But she's running. 286 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 3: Why do you believe she's running deering. 287 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 8: Because there's a group of twelve children actively looking for her, 288 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 8: some are wearing asks. They're actively seeking her out. 289 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 3: Now, hold on, hold on, let me not lose what's happening. 290 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 3: We see her. Now she's walking away. 291 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 2: Now she's gotten on a bike, and you believe she's 292 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 2: still being pursued. She's pulling up to a home with 293 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 2: there's a little girl in the pink top. There's Olivia 294 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 2: on the bike going at a normal speed. 295 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 3: Where is she going? 296 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 8: Daring to the same house that she's at on the 297 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 8: video where she's sitting on the porch, And right there's 298 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 8: the last footage we've seen my daughter alike. 299 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 3: Isn't it true that it's shortly after this that she dies? 300 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 8: In this same video that I acquired, the ambulance shows 301 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 8: up fourteen minutes after she walks around that corn. 302 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 2: And here, mister Smith, we're seeing the ambulance pull up 303 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 2: to the scene. How much later is it that the ambulance. 304 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 3: Gets there. 305 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 8: Fourteen minutes? 306 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 2: A straight out to criminal defense attorney. Renowned criminal defense 307 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 2: attorney Marie Pereira. She is joining us from LA. She 308 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 2: is also a registered nurse in addition to being a 309 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 2: trial lawyer. Mrie, thank you for being with us. I'm 310 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 2: sure you see potential criminal implications if this child was 311 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 2: chased and then died. 312 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 8: Absolutely. 313 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 5: I think investigators need to treat the entire neighborhood where 314 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 5: it happened like it was a crime scene, and they 315 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 5: need to interview each and every one of her little 316 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 5: friends to find out what happened before, Was there a chase, 317 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 5: and did they intend to scare her, bully her and 318 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,360 Speaker 5: then cause her to be so afraid that she had 319 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 5: a cardiac episode. It's very important to find out what 320 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 5: happened before, during, and after all those little girls, little 321 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 5: and all need to be sat down talked to to 322 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 5: find out exactly what was going on. Because they're pointing 323 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 5: the finger at a tree as a culprit. That's the 324 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 5: third party culprit. Like you said earlier, it's the tree, 325 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 5: the tree. 326 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 2: Did it remind her to you all that everyone involved 327 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 2: is innocent as we go to air tonight, presumed innocent 328 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 2: and remain presumed innocent unless and until the state pierces 329 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 2: that presumption with evidence sufficient to prove them guilty beyond 330 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 2: a reasonable doubt. Rebecca, your daughter Olivia did have a 331 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 2: minor heart issue with her mitral valve. 332 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 6: Is that correct, yes, ma'am. 333 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 2: But to you doctor Preyer Banerjee Whitney initial autopsy proved 334 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 2: if that were the cod cause. 335 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 11: Of death, absolutely, so she needs a very specialized heart 336 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 11: dissection to analyze the valves, especially with a pre existing. 337 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: Condition, but. 338 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 11: Very similar to Marie's and right along with it, Marie's 339 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 11: point that the investigation is going to really need to 340 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 11: be very detailed because any stress that is added to 341 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 11: Olivia and putting her at a risk of sudden death 342 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 11: even with the pre existing heart condition, if it is 343 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 11: the stress the actions of one or more individuals. And 344 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 11: I understand everybody's proven innocent until proven guilty, I'm not 345 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 11: saying any of that, but in a medical setting, if 346 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 11: the running under duress was an issue here and that 347 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 11: is proven, that then really flips the script. 348 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 6: What happened? I'm yeah, I mean And she tries to 349 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 6: say to check book. 350 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 3: Uh, did you hear that? 351 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 2: One child says, just say we were trying to check 352 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 2: on her. Rebecca daring first to you dearing, did you 353 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 2: hear that? Do you want me to play it again? 354 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 9: You know? 355 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 3: Actually I want to hear it again. Could you play 356 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 3: that again? Control room? I want to hear exactly what 357 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 3: the miners are stating. 358 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 6: What happened? 359 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 12: Happened? 360 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: I'm not. 361 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 12: Yeah, I'm. 362 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 6: Hey, And she tries to say, say we're trying to 363 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 6: check out. 364 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 2: To Marie Pereira, veteran trial lawyer and registered nurse, in 365 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 2: the words of Shakespeare methinks that thou does protest too much. 366 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 2: Nobody said chasing and then suddenly going way, no, no, no, 367 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 2: whoa We weren't chasing. If somebody tries to say we 368 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 2: were chasing, say we were checking on her. 369 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 3: Did you hear that? 370 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 8: I heard that very clearly. 371 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 6: And the audio makes all the difference. 372 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 12: It's the audio for me. 373 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 5: And like I said, all those little girls are innocent 374 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 5: until proven guilty. But they should each be interviewed separately 375 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 5: to find out what happened, because it's all about intent, Dan, 376 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 5: see you know that. 377 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 6: And if they chased her with an intent to hurt her, 378 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 6: bully her, and cause a cardiac episode. 379 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 5: Even though the little girl might have had a pre 380 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 5: existing cardiac condition, if they did something to trigger it 381 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 5: made her feel unsafe, she was running. See they already 382 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 5: sound like they're trying to come up with a story. 383 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 5: They need to check those little girl's phones because text messages, 384 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 5: direct messages, TikTok messages, because if they have something against 385 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 5: her prior and they plan to hurt her and this. 386 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 6: Caused what happened, we could have reckless intent. 387 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 5: Intent doesn't have to be I'm gonna hurt you and 388 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 5: cause you to have a cardiac episode. But if I'm 389 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 5: chasing you making you feel like, oh my god, they're 390 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 5: gonna hurt me. And I had a hard condition and 391 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 5: had any type of seizure, neural loge with me, or 392 00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 5: whatever you want to call it, and it was your 393 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 5: action that caused it, that could be criminality, even for 394 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 5: those little girls. 395 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 3: It's called an abandoned and malignant heart. What does that mean? 396 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 3: This is the example I would always give. 397 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 2: Juries and I always hide this as a backup to 398 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 2: a malice murder charged abandoned malignant heart is a form 399 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 2: of murder one. And what it means, for instance, is 400 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 2: I get in my minivan and I put on the 401 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 2: break with one foot and hit the gas with the 402 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 2: other foot, rev it up, and then drive drive ninety 403 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 2: mphs through let's just see, let's just say a flea market. 404 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 2: Everybody's there going from kiosk to kiosk, they're eating ice cream, 405 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 2: they're having a good time. And then I fly through 406 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 2: and run down four people and they die. I don't 407 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 2: even know those four people. I did not intend to 408 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 2: kill those specific people, but I acted with an abandoned 409 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 2: and malignant heart. That is also called depraved heart, and 410 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 2: you don't have to have intent to kill. You must 411 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 2: act in a manner so egregiously reckless that the law. 412 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 3: Presumes you intended to harm. 413 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 2: So chasing this little girl, whether she ran into a tree, 414 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 2: whether she had a heart failure, the chasing ending in 415 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 2: her depth. 416 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 3: It's not a complicated legal theory. 417 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 418 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 7: Two. 419 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 2: Doctor John Delatory joining me at a licensed psychologist mediator 420 00:28:52,240 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 2: specializing in forensic psychology, consultant to Project Absentist that is 421 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 2: a nonprofit searching for missing people, and you can find 422 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 2: him at Resolution fcs dot com. I'd like, as I 423 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 2: speak to doctor Delatory to see the video of the children. 424 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 2: Really shouldn't call them children miners running? Doctor Delatory? Why 425 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 2: would they run from the scene. I would have a 426 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 2: fill day with a jury on that. 427 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 8: Why run? 428 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 3: Why not stay and tell the emt is what happened? 429 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 3: Speak to Rebecca, speak to dring Smith, tell the parents 430 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 3: what happened, Try to help Olivia. Why run from the 431 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 3: same and start connecting stories. 432 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 13: We have something called consciousness of guilt, right and everybody 433 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 13: has it as soon as you start learning about right 434 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 13: and wrong, truth and lives. As soon as you start 435 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 13: developing those kinds of skills. When something happens, if you 436 00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 13: are somehow contributing to it, your mind, your conscience is 437 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 13: going to start thinking about and what are the ways 438 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 13: are you going to be blamed for this thing? And 439 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 13: so then your consciousness is trying to protect you to 440 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 13: trying to try to protect your safety instead of the 441 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 13: victim safety, it's your safety. 442 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 6: So instead of. 443 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 13: Running two right, instead of running towards the victim to 444 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 13: try to do something to help. If you believe that 445 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 13: you have somehow contributed to whatever happened to that victim, 446 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 13: your consciousness is going to stop you from then engaging it, 447 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 13: and then that's when the behaviors that investigators need to 448 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 13: start looking at. These are the things that the investigators 449 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 13: need to focus on. 450 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 14: Just minutes after this video was taken, the twelve year 451 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 14: old girl on the left hand side of your screen 452 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 14: ends up dead and nobody can really tell her mother 453 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 14: how she died. This happened on July seventh, and that's 454 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 14: Olivia Smith on the left hand side of your screen. 455 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 14: You can see she stands up and then walks off 456 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 14: screen towards some trees, and then moments later she collapses 457 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 14: and she dies Now, this is around nine to fifteen pm. 458 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 14: Then the nine to one one call happens at around 459 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 14: nine to twenty one PM for. 460 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 4: A twelve year old female that ran face versed into 461 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 4: a tree is unconscious at the time. 462 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 14: You can hear that they say she ran into a 463 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 14: tree and simply collapsed and died. 464 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 2: That's Robbie Harvey on TikTok. So that's another issue. To 465 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 2: Dave Matt Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave Mack, we're being 466 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 2: told at the beginning by minors at the scene, she 467 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 2: ran into a tree which morphed into. 468 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 3: She drove her bike into a tree. Why make that up? 469 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 15: Well, because they're trying to come up with a plausible 470 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 15: answer for why their friend is now lying unconscious. And 471 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 15: if you notice the first thing we hear several of 472 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 15: them say, we weren't chasing her. We weren't chasing her. 473 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 15: And if you notice too, one of the kids says, 474 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 15: I'm going home. I can't deal it. I'm going home. 475 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 15: So we're talking about they're head in one direction and 476 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 15: then nope, I'm headed home. 477 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 3: They know what they've done is wrong. 478 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 15: But what really gets me, Nancy, is we've got Olivia 479 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 15: at nine fifteen on the porch, getting up and walking 480 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 15: away to the left, and that's nine fifteen. Six minutes later, 481 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 15: she's unconscious. We're on the phone with nine to one 482 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 15: one six minutes Nancy, that's what could possibly cause a 483 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 15: twelve year old girl to die in six minutes from 484 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 15: on the porch walking away. And now it boggles my mind, 485 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 15: it breaks my heart for the family. 486 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 3: To Rebecca Smith, this is Olivia's mom. Is it true? 487 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 3: And I don't want to name names. Is it true 488 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 3: that you. 489 00:32:52,920 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 2: Believe someone lured Olivia to a location and then sorted 490 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 2: chasing her. 491 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 6: Yes? 492 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 3: Yes, do you believe? And why do you believe it? 493 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 6: I'll give you the rundown of everything. My mind was 494 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 6: a mess when I sent all those videos to your assistant. 495 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 7: So Olivia gets there, she's at her friends that are 496 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 7: in the pink pap in the black tap when they're walking. 497 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 7: Those are her friends that they didn't partake in any 498 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 7: of this. So they're at her friends hanging out for 499 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 7: about a half an hour. They get a text from 500 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 7: a girl saying, let's go to the park they're building. 501 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 7: They're rebuilding the park up there. Let's go check it out. 502 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 7: So they go up to the park. I believe that's 503 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 7: the first initial time that the other group of girls 504 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 7: and boys noticed that my daughter was there. They were 505 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 7: chased towards the back of the park to a friend's house, 506 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,719 Speaker 7: the adult's friend's house, where the parents were notified, Hey, 507 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 7: I got your girls down here. They're scared. The mom 508 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,959 Speaker 7: met them halfway down towards the park told them come home. 509 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:16,240 Speaker 7: They went home played for whatever reason. My daughter, Olivia 510 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 7: and her friends go for another walk, and that's the 511 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,879 Speaker 7: video that you see where they're walking up and then 512 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 7: over and then you see the group of kids come 513 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,760 Speaker 7: out of that sidewalk, and that's why Olivia starts running. 514 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 7: You can hear the kids all come off with a 515 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 7: sidewalk saying there she is, Oh, hell no, there she 516 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 7: is in they all run towards my daughter. That is 517 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 7: what my daughter is looking at as she climbs up 518 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 7: or comes off of the porch. 519 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 6: Is that group of kids. 520 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 7: Then Marilyn towards her and she was trying to get 521 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 7: back to her girlfriend's parents' house. 522 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 8: That is what happened. 523 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 3: Rebecca, you're right. Let's play the video here. 524 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:02,240 Speaker 2: You see where the chase of this little girl, Olivia begins, 525 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 2: Did you tell them? 526 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 12: Did you tell them. 527 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 6: Somebody what? 528 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 12: I don't know why? Why you from school? 529 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 7: Why? 530 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 12: Because somebody goes away? 531 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 6: I think somebody goes away someone to me, someone's going around. 532 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 11: I literally can't pay back. 533 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 9: I literally can't. 534 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 3: Wow. 535 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 2: Did you hear that, Marie Pereira, exactly what Rebecca advised? 536 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 3: You hear them say, well, did you tell her? Did 537 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,839 Speaker 3: you tell her so they could go chase a little girl? 538 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 5: It's giving conspiracy, it's giving the little girl gang. And 539 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 5: I know they're presumed innocent until proven guilty, and we 540 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:50,760 Speaker 5: don't even. 541 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 6: Know if a crime was actually committed. 542 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,839 Speaker 5: But check those little girl phones to see because telephones 543 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,800 Speaker 5: and text messages will reveal intent every time. And like 544 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 5: you said, Nancy, whether it's intent to harm, to put 545 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 5: fear in somebody's heart, or recklessness something they. 546 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,720 Speaker 6: Should have known, it will show in the text messages. 547 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,879 Speaker 5: Even when little girls can lie, separate them, interview them, 548 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 5: and then you'll find out exactly what happened. There has 549 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 5: to be some kind of accountability, even if it's not criminal, 550 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 5: accountability after an investigation, because there was a break in 551 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 5: what happened to that poor little girl from the chase 552 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 5: to the collapse. They might say one has to do 553 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 5: nothing with the other, but civil court may have something 554 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 5: else to see, a wrongful death suit, something recklessness. Some 555 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:44,840 Speaker 5: accountability needs to. 556 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 2: Happen here too, Doctor John Delatore, Olivia is dead, and I, 557 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:57,840 Speaker 2: like many other prosecutors, started trying cases in juvenile court. 558 00:37:58,360 --> 00:37:59,760 Speaker 3: There typically are not jury. 559 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 2: It's a whole another animal to try cases in GV 560 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,479 Speaker 2: court as opposed to superior court felony court. 561 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 3: But that said, the result is the same. Olivia is dead. 562 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,840 Speaker 2: And according to mom and dad, she was purposely chased 563 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:23,800 Speaker 2: by little bullies. 564 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,319 Speaker 13: Yeah, those are all going to be key elements. Every 565 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 13: jurisdiction has what's known as a transfer or a waiver process. Now, 566 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 13: some require that the individuals accused of a crime are 567 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,320 Speaker 13: of a certain age, but the process is you evaluate 568 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 13: that juvenile to determine whether or not they are developed 569 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 13: enough to understand the behaviors that they were engaging in. 570 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 13: And so those are all going to be key elements 571 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 13: of that transfer waiver evaluation to determine whether or not 572 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 13: they should be moved from a juvenile court again if 573 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 13: the allegations are levy again and they're accused of a 574 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 13: crime that would then transfer them or waver them into 575 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 13: an adult court to face adult punishment. 576 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 2: I want to remind everyone that we are blurring the 577 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:19,880 Speaker 2: faces of many of these miners. Can we believe our 578 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 2: own eyes? Do I know that those children? Do I 579 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:31,440 Speaker 2: know that those miners in the video are the ones involved? 580 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 4: No? 581 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know the whole truth of the 582 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 3: scenario yet, but I will. 583 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 2: I will know the truth. I want to go back 584 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,759 Speaker 2: out to Rebecca and Daring Smith. Is it true the 585 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 2: police are not telling you anything? And the only reason 586 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 2: we have the videos we've got tonight is because neighbors 587 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,480 Speaker 2: felt empathy for you and contact. Did you even said, hey, 588 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 2: look at these videos. 589 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:04,840 Speaker 3: From our ring, look at this. 590 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 1: That's the only way you got these. 591 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 8: So there is there was one particular officer that was 592 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:16,759 Speaker 8: definitely helping us. 593 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 6: He was going, he was he. 594 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,799 Speaker 8: You can tell he took it personally. He he told 595 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,279 Speaker 8: me he didn't have any of his own children, but 596 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 8: he was going to get to the bottom of this. However, 597 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 8: there's just certain situations where, you know, sticky situations where 598 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 8: he can't he can't really help us now as far 599 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 8: as like what he has and what he can tell 600 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 8: us and all that it's real. Because we're dealing with minors. 601 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,759 Speaker 8: He can't tell us a whole lot other than you 602 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 8: know that they're actively working on it. 603 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 9: That's it. 604 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 8: That's that's all they can tell us for right now. 605 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 3: How did you get the videos to Rebecca and Dearing? 606 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 6: My husband actually received them from my nephew. 607 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,319 Speaker 8: I received two different sets of videos. I was laying 608 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 8: in bed one night trying to sleep, that's been an issue, 609 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:22,080 Speaker 8: and he had sent me all kinds of videos that 610 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,280 Speaker 8: he had screen recorded that what he had found online. 611 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:30,680 Speaker 8: The morning after that, I then found all of the 612 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 8: videos that he was sending me under somebody's comment section 613 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 8: online and I did my best two screen record what 614 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 8: I could because you can't download them. And then I 615 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 8: had a friend to actually go on there and then 616 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,719 Speaker 8: do it off of his PC, so I got I 617 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,239 Speaker 8: got a lot of that camera footage off that same 618 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:57,600 Speaker 8: house that we were watching. 619 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:03,240 Speaker 3: And more, do you ring Smith? What do you believe 620 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,280 Speaker 3: happened to Olivia? 621 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 8: Her heart gave out. I think she was scared to death. Literally. 622 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,960 Speaker 2: If you know or believe you know anything, even if 623 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:21,800 Speaker 2: you think it may be insignificant, please dial Bay County 624 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:27,239 Speaker 2: sheriffs nine eight nine eight nine two eight five seven 625 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:32,839 Speaker 2: one repeat nine nine eight nine two eight five seven one. 626 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:39,920 Speaker 2: We want justice for Olivia. We remember American hero Sergeant 627 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:45,280 Speaker 2: Scott Reese, ritman PD, Ohio, shot in the line of duty, 628 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 2: leaving behind a grieving wife, Michelle, and two little girls, 629 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,400 Speaker 2: Abby and Maddie. 630 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,960 Speaker 3: American hero Sergeant Scott Reese. Thank you to our guests, 631 00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,920 Speaker 3: but especially to you for being with us. Nancy signing 632 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 3: off for tonight, but I'll see you tomorrow night, and 633 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 3: until then, good night's good 634 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:10,520 Speaker 15: Mm hmm