1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: We're putting the pressure of the league on these kids 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: at such a young age, and not even just us 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: as the fans, but the people who are setting them 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: up with with endorsement deals that it's just so much 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: coming from them at every single side. So I think 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: I want I want people to leave with a little 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: more empathy for these kids. I want people to leave 8 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: with a little better understanding of what these kids are 9 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: going through on a daily blake basis, not even just 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: being the elite athletes, but just being young black men 11 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: in America. Hey, everybody, that was Tristan mac Wild's actor, singer, 12 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: songwriter talking about his role and Kevin Durant produced executive 13 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: produced show called Swagger. It's on Apple TV. I don't 14 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: know if you checked it out, but it's interesting because 15 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: mac is talking about empathy, and as we get into 16 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: it on naked, you'll understand why he understands this more 17 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: than anyone. Stick around. We gotta pay some bills. Speed 18 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: back in a minute. Every champion and carry champion is 19 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: to be a champion out of champion and carry champion, 20 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: and carry champion out of champion and carry champion and 21 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: carry champion. Rates raiders and sports and entertainment can Naked 22 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: weirder in the world with vulnerable considered. We come and 23 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: remove the veil from entertainment elite. It's a difference tween 24 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: with it's real and with the public seat. So here's 25 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,559 Speaker 1: your favorite celebrities behind the scenes. It's refreshing up. Then 26 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: the whole story specific life all to rendevents to shake 27 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: the person that you here. We gotta champion and carry 28 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: champion the girl you did it. It's the greatest in 29 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: sports and entertainment. Cannaked with every champion and carry champions. 30 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: To be a champion, the champion, they carry champion. They 31 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: girls titty out the champion. They carry champion and carry champion. Raiders, 32 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: freiders and sports and entertainment get naked word. Hey, everybody, 33 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: welcome back to Naked. I gotta give you guys a 34 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: lot of love. I really do appreciate you hanging in 35 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: there with me. I have been doing this podcast not 36 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: even a year, and we really are are moving well. Right. 37 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,399 Speaker 1: It takes a while to get people involved and there's 38 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 1: so much content out there, but you have been faithful 39 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: and I appreciate it. And it really is my place 40 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: where I just come and I talked to you guys 41 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 1: about life um today's episode. You know, as as all 42 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: of them, they mean so much to me. But when 43 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: you can connect with someone and understand where they're coming from, 44 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: or perhaps understand a vision that they're trying to have 45 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: for themselves, it makes it all that more special. So 46 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 1: I hope I do justice to sharing this with you. 47 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: You all know Tristan mac Wild I'm gonna just call 48 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: him Mac, and I'm getting in tall or whatever you prefer, 49 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 1: act as singer songwriter, as I said, He is currently 50 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 1: on several different platforms. There is a ten episode Apple 51 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: TV show called Swagger Right Um, inspired by Kevin Durant 52 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: experiences and and Mac plays the guy who's the sneaker 53 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: hook up, the sneaker guy, the Sneaker Company, and and 54 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: what you heard him talking about early on is about 55 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: how we view these young prodigies, if you will, in sports, 56 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: the Zions, the Lebron Lebrons, you know, an anomaly, but 57 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 1: his son Braun Braun you know, and the other people 58 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: that are all considered something special, right, the next big thing. 59 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: How we treat them, how we analyze them. We sometimes 60 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: don't have empathy. And I found it interesting that he 61 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: was able to make sure he made that point about 62 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: this television series, about the role in which he plays, 63 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: where he wanted people to walk away from watching Swagger 64 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: and have empathy for these athletes. And I'll tell you 65 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: where I saw the connection. Now, if any of you 66 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: have followed his career, you guys know that he was 67 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: on the wire right and that show called Classic the 68 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: best show, like you don't want to, Like I said, 69 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: I don't want to tell people you haven't watched it. 70 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: It's hardcore. But imagine being so young on such a 71 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: hit show, also having an album shortly thereafter or during 72 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: the process, and then feeling like you've been anointed or 73 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 1: chosen and you have to live up to these expectations. 74 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: That's a lot of pressure. And he explains that pressure 75 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:31,119 Speaker 1: while talking about Swagger, But I couldn't help to think 76 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: he must be talking from his own experience. You Know. 77 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: The funny thing is, I think the takeaway isn't just 78 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: for the young men that are about to go through 79 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: the same thing for me. The takeaway is for everyone 80 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: who looks at these guys, the people who pick at them, 81 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: the people who idolize these guys, the people who tear 82 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 1: these young men down, you know, we look at the 83 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: we look at the zaiers, we look at the Brownies, 84 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: we look at the Mikey's, and we all a lot 85 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: of times all we see is the Instagram posts. All 86 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: we see are the you know, the slam dunks or 87 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: the highlights from said high school game, etcetera, etcetera. But 88 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: we don't realize that these kids are still kids. You know, 89 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: these kids haven't even a lot of times even gone 90 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: a prom yet. And we're putting the pressure of the 91 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: league on these kids at such a young age, and 92 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: not even just us as the fans, but the people 93 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: who are setting them up with with endorsement deals that 94 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 1: there's it's just so much coming from them at every 95 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,239 Speaker 1: single side. So I think I want I want people 96 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: to leave with a little more empathy for these kids. 97 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 1: I want people to leave with them a little better 98 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: understanding of what these kids are going through on a 99 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: daily blake basis, not even just being the elite athletes, 100 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: but just being young black men in America. Anybody that 101 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: you see that has uh immense talent in anything, they're 102 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:05,799 Speaker 1: gonna be under the scrutiny of the greats that came before. Automatically, 103 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: I had it when I was a kid, like they 104 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 1: were saying this, that and the third, Oh my god, 105 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: at at a young age. I think any kid that 106 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: has a great amount of talent, you're up against scrutiny 107 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: all the time. So I do think that, yes, I 108 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: think I think we should be a little more compassionate. 109 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: But I also do think that us as whether we're 110 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: kids or not, we're we're taking on these jobs of adults. 111 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: When we start to get paid for these things, when 112 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: we're starting to, you know, be in different conversations, it 113 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: you lend you your opening yourself up to be to 114 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: be uh, to to be criticized if you can. You 115 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: have to be able to take the good with the bad. 116 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: If somebody can say that you're just as great as 117 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 1: such and such and such and such, you gotta be 118 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: able to take it when they say you didn't do 119 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: so great. You gotta be able to take both sides. 120 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: By way of background, Matt grew up in Staten Island, right, 121 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: so his mother was Dominican and Irish's father was black. Uh. 122 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: He talks about how his mother was a beautician than 123 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: a stockbroker. He went to high school in Staaten Island, 124 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: So that's just home for him. But by the time 125 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: he was fifteen, he already knew that he was an 126 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: artist right, perhaps not fully developed in seeing himself as 127 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: he wants to see himself, but he made his television 128 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: debut and Spike Lee's television series. Do you guys remember this, 129 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: It was called Miracle Boys. It was in two thousand five. 130 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: I don't, but I do know that that was it 131 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: for him. After that, Mac was the man he took off. 132 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: He was in the wires shortly thereafter all, at a 133 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: very young age, and so I was talking to him 134 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: about this experience. You know, I'm very aware or sensitive 135 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: to people who have been in the business at an 136 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: early age and what it looks like. We hear all 137 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: the tragic tales of child stars, but mag is at 138 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: a different point in his life where he talks very 139 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: openly about therapy and how that helped him through. As 140 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: long as you have a good support system behind you, family, friends, 141 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,239 Speaker 1: and actual team that loves you and isn't just trying 142 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: to feed off of the money that you're bringing in, 143 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: people who actually care about you who you are, I 144 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: think those are the necessary or the necessary ingredients that 145 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: worked for me. Of course, there are many times that 146 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: you start to smell your own ship, believe the hype, 147 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: feel like okay, and then sometimes get hurt by the 148 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: things that happened as well. But with the team, you 149 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: always have to have somebody to lean on, somebody that's 150 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: gonna bring you down when you're when you start to 151 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: put too much air in your balloon, and somebody who's gonna, 152 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: you know, somebody who will lift you up those times 153 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: that you feel your lowest. You talk about being a 154 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: mental health advocate, what has been your struggle with mental health? Man? 155 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: Just literally just that you know, I think being someone 156 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: who's been in this game for for such a long 157 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: time and constantly dealing with from what my therapist says, 158 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: constantly dealing with just the barrage of good and bad 159 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: and not knowing how to process it. It's caught. You 160 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 1: start to I just like anything right, you start to 161 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: get it feels blocked up, So you start the things 162 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: start to pile on heavier and heavier. Those nose that 163 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: you used to be able to just not even think about, 164 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: they feel heavier on you now. Those those critiques that 165 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: you used to be able to not even you be 166 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: able to slide through and get to you the next thing, 167 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: they weigh heavier on you now. So I think just 168 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,839 Speaker 1: years and years of going through this business and not 169 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: knowing how to properly, properly digest everything that was being 170 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: thrown at me, Uh yeah, it led me to It 171 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: led me to where I was were with my lowest point. 172 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, a lot of alcohol, a lot of uh 173 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: being in the wrong places, uh thankfully at the right times, 174 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: and and just not not fully loving myself, you know, 175 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: not and and not and not, and not finding reasons 176 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: to stay here, to be here. It's like I kept 177 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: I would find any reason to be like you know, 178 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: or just constantly play with the thought of my head 179 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: like I don't have to be here if I don't 180 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: want to, like, and you start giving yourself reasons like 181 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: you know, I have have a good life, insurance to joint, 182 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: my family will be good, you know, I don't. I 183 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: don't have to be here, you know, maybe people will 184 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: be better off. I got there. One thing that has 185 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: helped me a lot, And it's so funny because I just, 186 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 1: you know, scrolling through Instagram, you see these like inspirational 187 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: videos and all of that. I like to follow a 188 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: lot of different people like e. T, the hip hop 189 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 1: preacher and all of these guys just just constant, just 190 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: people who constantly just give me a little bit of 191 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: inspiration for the day. Uh. There was one video that 192 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: I saw somebody was saying, I think a lot of 193 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: a lot of times we get caught up on the 194 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: expectation of where we're trying to go or the you 195 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: know place that we're thinking where we we deserve to 196 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 1: be or we need to arrive to, and we need 197 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:59,599 Speaker 1: to start being comfortable maybe not making it there, but 198 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: book coming the person that we've always wanted to be. 199 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: You can't always dictate where you're gonna go how you 200 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: Things aren't always gonna go the way that you think 201 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: they should go. Uh. But you shouldn't focus on the destination. 202 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: You should focus on the journey. You should focus on 203 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: the what the the growing experience. Of course, I want 204 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: my daughter to to grow up and go to college 205 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: and be great and do this that that in the 206 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: third But I'm having more fun right now, living in 207 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: the present watching her learn her A, B c's and 208 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 1: and want to come and tell us I'm having more fun, uh, 209 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: just you know, watching her in gymnastics jump around, she 210 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: learned a new move she's she's using like she's using 211 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: her own strength on the balance beams and all of that. 212 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: So it's it's I'm I'm paying more attention out to 213 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: the growth of things. Even you know, people can people 214 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: will always say, oh my god, you know the play 215 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: you probably will win awards, and it's this that in 216 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: the third and it sounds good like and of course, 217 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: you know, a part of me is like, oh man, 218 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: that would be great. But I'm not focused on that. 219 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: What I'm focused on is every day that I get 220 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: out on that stage, I become a better actor. I'm 221 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: learning better, I'm learning how to deal with the crowd. 222 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: I'm learning how to play off, and I'm learning how 223 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: to playoff of different actors. Were throwing stuff back and forth, 224 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: and I'm I'm loving more of the growing versus the 225 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: destinations that you know, we place on things. I hate 226 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: that we're so predisposed. I guess the ways that we 227 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: are because I'm always I'm constantly in my head like, Okay, 228 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. Something bad 229 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: has to happen, right what I'm I'm actually just I'm 230 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: starting to I was talking to my boy mouse Jones 231 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 1: about this, and he's like, Yo, why can't we just 232 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: why why why aren't we allowed to just have good times, 233 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: good moments. Why aren't we allowed to just revel in 234 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: those and not have anything bad. So I've been pulling 235 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: myself out of that that that bad mindset and just 236 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: really just sitting back and just living in gratitude. You know, 237 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: just like you said, this is divine. This, This has 238 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: literally nothing to do with me. This is all all 239 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: God man, And I'm just I'm extremely grateful. Every single 240 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: day I say, uh, you know, whether I have my 241 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: conversation with him or not, I always say, Yo, thank 242 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: you for today, thank you for yesterday, and you know, 243 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: if I'm blessed enough to see it, thank you for 244 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: tomorrow tomorrow. Every champion and carry champion is to be 245 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: a champion, a champion and carry champion and carry champion, 246 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: A champion and carry chap being the care with sports 247 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: and the the same making naked Harry Chappion. They carry chappionion 248 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: the champion, They carry Cheppion Chappi, and they care with champion. 249 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: They care and naked Mack is talking about everything that 250 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: I deal with, Like when you have so as creative 251 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: as we always have these ideas in our heads, so 252 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: many different ideas, and we're like, I have to get 253 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: these out. I want everyone to hear about it. How 254 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: do I make these ideas become a reality? Um, he 255 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: talked about a movie a minute ago, and you know, 256 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: having his team work with him. I also know that 257 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: not in addition to this movie, he has you know, 258 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: percolating in his mind. And he's also on the short 259 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: He's I mean again, he's the list goes on Google 260 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: my man. He has a lot going on. He's also 261 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: going to play I need everybody who was listening to 262 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: this go to New York make a special trip. See 263 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: Thoughts of a Colored Man. It's a new play. It's 264 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: off Broadway. We have to support him and the Black 265 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: play rights that are behind it because it is something 266 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: super special. So it's seven black men, right, and they 267 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: all have different roles. One guy plays love, another plays happiness, 268 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: another plays lust, one plays passion, the other place depression. 269 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: Mac plays anger and he plays it well. Another guy 270 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: has wisdom, and another one has the mixture of anger 271 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: with the side of depression, with the side of love, 272 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: with a side of happiness. It's really beautiful and it 273 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: just goes through the day, the year, the lives, the 274 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: seasons of black men, and it's so heartfelt and it's 275 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: so real and it's so honest, and it gives you 276 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: um an empathetic look at life through their eyes. And 277 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: I truly believe Mac is blessed and special thoughts of color. 278 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: Man highly recommended. I stumbled onto it in the sense 279 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: that I was going to talk about it here on 280 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: the podcast, but when I was going to New York 281 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: and I was like, let me just get these free tickets. 282 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: Tell us more, Mac, tell us more. Literally, as soon 283 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 1: as you get out on stage and you see the crowd, 284 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: I don't care if it's ten people out in that 285 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: crowd or if it's ten thousand people in that crowd. 286 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: It's just like a it's it's a it's a it's 287 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: a jarring feeling every single night. So to really get 288 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: out there one and and stand out there and be like, Okay, 289 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this whole nineties plus minute play and 290 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: and stay in character, it's it's it's crazy. What what 291 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: skill set is that? The difference between acting and swagger 292 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: and being on Broadway being a theater, what's the difference? Man, it's, uh, 293 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: the it's minor differences. I think one of the I 294 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,479 Speaker 1: would know it's not minor differences that the difference actually 295 00:17:54,760 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: is I I theater is probably it's the it's if 296 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: I've done film and I've done music and performances and 297 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: concerts and stuff. Theater is literally the meeting ground of 298 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: them both for me, like the feeling that I get 299 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: out being on the stage performing my songs, hearing a 300 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: crowd singing my songs back, you know, doing like all 301 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: of that energy versus what what I do on stage. 302 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: Those two feel like complete opposites. But I feel like 303 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: theater has been my music experience and my film experience. 304 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: If as if they had a child. Is that an 305 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 1: energy that we're talking about. Yeah, yeah, it's a it's 306 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: an energy. It's it's the it's the energy and the 307 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: skill set, you know. I think with theater, what I've 308 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: learned a lot of times with with people who have 309 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,479 Speaker 1: who are like classically trained and data, there's a very 310 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: specific way you have to just kind of keep going 311 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 1: through it. You know, if the crowd laughs, don't pay 312 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: attention to them, stay through it. But there's something beautiful 313 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: that we do with our play that we like to 314 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: engage the audience as well. So it's the it's everything 315 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: that I've learned from the greats who have ever touched 316 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,959 Speaker 1: the stage, to everything that I've learned from the greats 317 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 1: who have ever touched uh, you know, who have been 318 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: in front of a camera, and I've just started to 319 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: meld it together to create my my personal stage performance. 320 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 1: Thoughts of a color man, Um, how long is the run? 321 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 1: Talk to me. We're running into March, running into March 322 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 1: right now. It may get extended, Lord willing, but right 323 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: now we're running into March. Mac as I said, is 324 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: a strong advocate for mental health. Right he has talked 325 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: about PTSD uh coming out of dark places. Um, very 326 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: very candidly as you can hear, and I and I 327 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: respect it. He said that mostly though, he asked to 328 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 1: credit his family, his wife, his daughter, and his team, 329 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: his team, as you won't know anyone's team, your team, 330 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: my team. If you have the right people on it, 331 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: they keep you, They keep you together, not only you know, physically, 332 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: but emotionally and mentally. That is truly a blessing. First 333 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 1: and foremost. It takes an amazing team, uh, you know, 334 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: just making sure that I have a really really good 335 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 1: team to kind of help me, I guess, decipher everything 336 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 1: that's going on in my head. It feels like it's 337 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 1: a lot that happens up here, and they helped me 338 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: streamline it. So shout out to the old team for that. 339 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: I can, I can. I can probably promise you. Uh my, 340 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 1: my publicist Savoy, he's in here right now kicking himself 341 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: because that is literally me. I'll hit him up at 342 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: like two am and he's Tristan. This isn't business hours, 343 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: I understand, but I just got this idea. What do 344 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: you think of about? No it? There are times that 345 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: I forced myself to shut down, just you know, because 346 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: doing all of this and having Tristan, it's like as 347 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: much as I as those times that I even if 348 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to shut it down, she doesn't stop. 349 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: She's gonna be up at seven thirty eight o'clock in 350 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: the morning and she needs us to be up and 351 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 1: running with her or she's gonna make sure we get up. 352 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: So there are times. There are times that I have 353 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: to shut it down. But I'm telling you it just 354 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: it's constantly running. I have a I have an idea 355 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: for script right now in my head that everybody's like, Tristan, 356 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: just wait, just wait, like we'll we'll get you set 357 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 1: up so you can sit down and write it. But relax. 358 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, so of course, you know, I couldn't mention 359 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: his TV show, his his new play on Broadway and 360 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 1: not mentioned that he has music coming out, new music. 361 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: He was a little cautious and sharing this because he 362 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: didn't want to say when the exact date was or 363 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: what he was doing. You'll hear his hesitation, but more importantly, 364 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: you'll hear his joy as he talks about what he 365 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: has coming out, all in the same season. And you know, 366 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: it's funny. It's funny that everything is kind of dropping 367 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: in this same season. I promise you this is all God. 368 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: This is God's planning. I didn't even we we had 369 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: the idea to drop the music way earlier this year, 370 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: Like yo, guys, we think yo, bappappaph bah, we need 371 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 1: to drop some music. Okay, we could drop the song 372 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 1: and see how the people are lot loving it. Let's 373 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: figure out what song we want to drop. But I 374 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 1: very early on I wanted to drop a song that 375 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: I was I was like throughout my whole whole career 376 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 1: of doing music. I was telling real life stories, personal stories, 377 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: things that I've been through, things that just kind of 378 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: always landed true to home. So why not with this 379 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: first song back out? You know, we do the same 380 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: thing again. So uh yeah, we got a song coming out. 381 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: I'm singing on it. It's it's something, it's something for 382 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 1: this season, it's something for just it's something that everybody's 383 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 1: gonna feel good during this time time. So Mac still 384 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 1: to this day, you know, coming days, I'm assuming the 385 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 1: music is coming out, But he still didn't want to 386 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: get to particular I get it. UM. Our business is 387 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 1: one where you can't say anything until the contract is signed. 388 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 1: You can't see anything until it actually pops. You know 389 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: it's brewing, it's brewing, but you can't say anything. I 390 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: really appreciate who he is. I really do. I had 391 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: an opportunity to talk with him briefly after the play, 392 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 1: and my biggest takeaway, if I'm being honest with you guys, 393 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: is that the level of maturity UM of someone who 394 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,360 Speaker 1: starts in this business at a young young age UM 395 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 1: is draft etically different from just us regular citizens walking around. UM. 396 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: They're exposed to much more in life. They see life differently, 397 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: and so I go back to when he originally said 398 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: that we should have more empathy for some of these 399 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: kids that we cover as journalists, especially in sports um 400 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: or the people who are in front of the camera, 401 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 1: and we we're so quick to dissect who they are. 402 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: We really don't know what is going on. So I 403 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: respect him for that. I appreciate him for putting that 404 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: into perspective because I have been guilty, yes, Carrie has 405 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: been guilty of of going somewhere um and making a 406 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 1: comment on camera about a situation that I thought I 407 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: knew about, but I quite frankly don't know everything. So 408 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: and no one knows everything. It's always a bit of 409 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: of measure that you need to have when giving an opinion. 410 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: And I and I appreciate him for pointing that out. 411 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: I think at this next trajectory, this this next season 412 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: for him is going to be special. He's got a play, 413 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 1: he's in TV show that's out, he has new music 414 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: coming out, he has ideas for a movie, has a 415 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: short that's out that's making its way around the the 416 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: indie circuit, if you will, all the festivals, Like he's 417 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: really doing the damn thing. And I am impressed and 418 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: I'm grateful, and it's also goes to show you, you 419 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,959 Speaker 1: know what, you guys always be like that person ain't had, 420 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 1: that person ain't popping, and y'all don't know what they're doing. 421 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: Are you paying attention? People are making moves, big moves, 422 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: and because they're not on your radar, it doesn't mean 423 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: that these moves are not happening. There is a point 424 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: in the podcast where I said to him, I can 425 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: relate to that because I'm about to be real, real, 426 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: honest with you all, and we'll see how many people 427 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: are paying attention. I have been on TV my entire life, um, 428 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: in terms of that's all I've ever known. I don't 429 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: know another job, right, and so this season, where I 430 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: am picking and choosing and being more selective, it's a 431 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: different energy because it makes me feel like, oh no, wait, 432 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: am I working? Well, yeah, I am working. In fact, 433 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: I'm up at five am recording this as you guys 434 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: listen to it, you know what I mean. I'm recording 435 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 1: at five am in the morning, my time, and I'm 436 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: doing all these other projects behind the scenes, and my 437 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: eagle makes me feel like I should also talk about 438 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: what I got coming up on TV what I got 439 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: going on here. But then at the same time, I 440 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: get embarrassed or I get uncomfortable talking about what I'm doing. 441 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 1: What I'm doing, it seems so low budget. It's almost like, 442 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 1: Ope're saying, she's got money, Oprah, we know you got money. 443 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: It just seems so low budget to me. Um, And 444 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: that is my choice. That is my perspective. It's a 445 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: different generation. Different generations move differently. But with that being said, 446 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: by the time you guys hear this, UM, you will 447 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 1: know that I am seeing the Sports Illustrated Awards. It's 448 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: gonna be a big one. I'm hosting it with DJ Kalett, 449 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna tell you how they came to me 450 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: and my team with this. It was DJ Kalt. You know, 451 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: he'll be the main host whe where he's doing, you know, 452 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: all the fun stuff. But you know you'll be you know, 453 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: going through you know, the prompter and reading and hosting 454 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: that way, and you know, telling people where to go 455 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 1: and where to look and moving us in and out 456 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 1: of commercial break. And I'm like, okay, yeah, so I'm 457 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: doing the hard work, is what you're saying. Okay, I'm 458 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: doing the heavy lifting, but I d J. Gallott. You 459 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: know what I mean. All I do is win will 460 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: when no matter what I get it, I get what 461 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 1: you're saying. Um. And so that's by the way, I 462 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: don't want to even dismiss that. The fact that I 463 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,400 Speaker 1: can be in a room with Billy Jane King, who 464 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 1: will be there to present an award to Tom Brady. 465 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: I can be in a room with Tom Brady. I 466 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: can be in a room with Candice Parker, who will 467 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: also be on the podcast. If I can be in 468 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: a room with these greats and just touched the him 469 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: of their garment, let's see how they move, see how 470 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 1: they think. I appreciate that, right, I know Billy Jane Kingwell, 471 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 1: so that's not the point. But it's always something special 472 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: to me. It's all about the experience. Now that's where 473 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 1: I'm at in my life. And guess what, Your girl 474 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: got a new TV show? I do. I have a 475 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: new TV show. I hesitate, much like he hesitated to 476 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: tell us about UH the music coming out. I hesitate 477 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: to tell you a platform. Um, but I closed the 478 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: deal this week. And God is good when I tell you, 479 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: God is good, So my ego can relax. I'm coming 480 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: to UH a flat screen near you really soon, Uh, 481 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: in a role in which you can see me weekly, 482 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: And I am please because it still has my name 483 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: on it and I'm still doing the work of the 484 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: good people. So with that being said, Uh, never ever, 485 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: ever doubt someone's ability because you don't know what they're doing. 486 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: Max out here moving, He's making it happen. And I'm impressed, 487 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: Like I'm thoroughly impressed with him in front of the 488 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: camera and behind the scenes. I'm impressed with the fact 489 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: that he can talk about being depressed and battling depression. Um, 490 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: and that comes with the expectations he felt he did 491 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: not meet. And you have to consistently fight those voices 492 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: in your head that are telling you you are not worthy, 493 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: you should be doing something else, you are not doing 494 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: what you're supposed to be doing. Talk to yourself, nice, 495 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: I'm telling you this, and I'm telling myself this. Talk 496 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: to yourself, nice, don't for me. In my case, I 497 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: feel like I have to tell everyone everything I'm doing 498 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: to validate my experience. I don't have to work another 499 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: month day on TV again. I don't ever have to 500 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: do another thing on television again. And I've done enough. 501 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: I'm a legend in my own right, and I have 502 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,959 Speaker 1: to remind myself of that. But the thing is with artists, 503 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: with people who are creative and if who are ambitious, 504 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: they only can thrive when they're doing what they love. 505 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: It's not about the work, it's about doing what you love. 506 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: So I understand the back and forth with feeling the 507 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: need to do and to be aware and to be 508 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: doing something. I understand it. Just talk to yourself nice. 509 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: That's the lesson of the day. I'm rambled a bit, 510 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: but I love to ramble with y'all, so yeah, I'll 511 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: know what I'm up to. I'm being as naked as possible, 512 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: as vulnerable as possible, telling you guys way too much 513 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: of my business. But that's okay. Thank you for listening. 514 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: Be back next week. Let's go