Speaker 1: Of the law and order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
Speaker 3: These episodes are based on.
Speaker 1: These are our stories done done. Hello, Hello, Hello, Welcome
Speaker 1: to That's Messed Up n SVU podcast.
Speaker 3: I'm Kara Clank and I'm.
Speaker 2: Liza Traeger, and every week we talk about an episode
Speaker 2: of SVU, the true crime it's based on, and we
Speaker 2: interview an incredible guest from the episode.
Speaker 1: Your hellos hellos are very Broadway. Oh I thought I
Speaker 1: was doing RuPaul. Oh Hello, Hello, Hello.
Speaker 3: Oh you're right. Oh God, I'm a fraud. I'm a fraud. Listen,
Speaker 3: we have huge news for everybody.
Speaker 2: One of the greatest things that's ever happened in my
Speaker 2: life happened at your back.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, your daughter's birthday party. Okay, what happened?
Speaker 2: The bounce house deflated with children inside, and they were
Speaker 2: screaming like it was the Titanic. It was fully their
Speaker 2: titan But we're laughing because it's we know they're safe.
Speaker 2: It's the funniest thing I've ever seen. But I looked
Speaker 2: in the screams on their face.
Speaker 1: They were terrified, and it's literally just like the hose
Speaker 1: came apart from you know, the air and the cat
Speaker 1: just the air supply came apart from the actual bounce house.
Speaker 1: The worst thing that happens is that a bounce house
Speaker 1: gently folds down on you. But these children were like
Speaker 1: in a burning building in their minds. They were like, nah,
Speaker 1: of course I got a bounce house for this party
Speaker 1: that had five children on it, because we're still sort
Speaker 1: of we're still in a pandemic. So this was like
Speaker 1: all vaccinated and then just a few kids and there
Speaker 1: were a couple of kids in the bounce house at
Speaker 1: the time, and it was it was really funny.
Speaker 3: My husband, have you ever seen the movie Force Majeure, Like.
Speaker 1: They just it's a it's a famous movie, and then
Speaker 1: they recently remade it with Julie Alois Dreyvis and Will Ferrell.
Speaker 1: It's basically like at the beginning of the movie, there's
Speaker 1: an avalanche and the guy and Will Ferrell's character just
Speaker 1: saves himself. He doesn't even look at what his kids
Speaker 1: and wife are doing. And then the rest of the
Speaker 1: movie is like her dealing with the fact that her
Speaker 1: husband just didn't I had that moment with my husband
Speaker 1: because he just watched the Bounce House to flat.
Speaker 3: And I go do something, like, go help do something.
Speaker 1: I'm like eight months pregnant. I'm not going to fucking
Speaker 1: save the Bounce House. And I was like, I can't
Speaker 1: believe you didn't do anything. He's like, they're fine. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you're right, they are. It's not the same as an all.
Speaker 2: But their screaming faces will always hopefully be emblazed to
Speaker 2: my memory because and.
Speaker 1: Then of course we hooked it back up and they
Speaker 1: were back in it in two seconds, bouncing around.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course.
Speaker 2: And then obviously you know, I came home the same
Speaker 2: day Stabler came home. Yeah, so we couldn't talk about it.
Speaker 2: We've gotten all your messages.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you may have seen.
Speaker 1: Our live We have a live up from what we
Speaker 1: thought we would go live a bunch of times during commercials,
Speaker 1: but then we just got really wrapped up in the
Speaker 1: episode and it was like, I think it was also
Speaker 1: too much.
Speaker 2: But then also I had not drank or smoked weed
Speaker 2: in four or five months, and so I had two
Speaker 2: manhattans and a joint, and.
Speaker 1: I was, yeah, a lot of a lot of you
Speaker 1: noticed a lot of you wrote in and were like,
Speaker 1: how high is Lisa right now?
Speaker 2: I remember I was, yeah, I had a great night,
Speaker 2: and honestly, instead of making me want to drink and
Speaker 2: smoke more and made me be like I should take
Speaker 2: more breaks because then.
Speaker 1: You just get lit.
Speaker 2: It was really fun. But I've been getting high every
Speaker 2: day since i've been back.
Speaker 3: Well what do you think?
Speaker 1: I mean? I liked the episode. I liked the SVU
Speaker 1: episode Organized Crime. I'm gonna give it a shot. I mean,
Speaker 1: it seems like it's a very different animal because it's
Speaker 1: more of like a multi episode arc kind of.
Speaker 3: Dylan McDermott is a crime boss.
Speaker 2: I don't buy it. I just the whole thing is
Speaker 2: so silly to me. I don't of course I will watch.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna watch it.
Speaker 1: But with the SVU, like I think we all I
Speaker 1: don't know, you guys can correct me if I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: and I know you will. I think we all kind
Speaker 1: of thought he was like coming back to SVU and
Speaker 1: like he's not. You guys like he just came back
Speaker 1: for that episode. I bet he'll dip in. But I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people were like, oh, he's coming
Speaker 1: back to SVU. They're gonna get together and all this stuff,
Speaker 1: and it's like, I don't know if that's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: No, it was a promotional tool. Yeah, you guys.
Speaker 2: This wasn't some creative thing or a gift to us.
Speaker 2: They just needed people to watch organized crime.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll probably be like at least like everuple a
Speaker 1: couple of episodes where the Mafia and.
Speaker 3: Like or whatever, the mob organized crime unit.
Speaker 1: It's the same way as they they crisscross with vice,
Speaker 1: they crisscross with like aland security. I mean, how many
Speaker 1: times does Chicago and New York have to coordinate an
Speaker 1: investigation together? I ask you, But I think it's it's
Speaker 1: I would really love.
Speaker 3: To know what was in that letter.
Speaker 2: I get speech, so I would like to say I
Speaker 2: like that Benson got to stand up for herself and
Speaker 2: be like you fucked up, dude. You I saw you
Speaker 2: every single day for a decade and you just leave
Speaker 2: with nothing. Like I didn't realize how much that would
Speaker 2: suck her up because that episode where she cries, I'm like,
Speaker 2: all right, relax, and now I'm like, oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is traumatizing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like this person that you consider your best friend
Speaker 2: you would trust your life with them, just stops talking.
Speaker 1: To you because you've had friends leave jobs before that
Speaker 1: you were on with them and you still talk, you
Speaker 1: still get together and get a drink.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, or at least on the internet. Yeah, do
Speaker 2: you think they're Facebook friends? But so I like that
Speaker 2: she was able to call him out and stand up
Speaker 2: for herself and like that was good. But I was
Speaker 2: like disappointed that Stabler has learned nothing, not one bit
Speaker 2: of therapy, not one moment of not wanting to violently.
Speaker 3: And instead of learning to go in to therapy, he
Speaker 3: was learning Italian.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he speaks Italian, but he does not speak mental
Speaker 1: health or and Hannah did research and there is Italian liaisons.
Speaker 1: I believe Hannah, but I just think it's like nuts
Speaker 1: that they would just take a guy who doesn't speak
Speaker 1: Italian and has no knowledge of Italy and just be
Speaker 1: like you're our guy in Rome now, Like it just
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense to.
Speaker 2: Me, but I'll let it slide. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 2: liked seeing the kids. I wish Kathy wasn't dead. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know what to say. I was, yeah, come
Speaker 2: for me. I was like I was into their acting,
Speaker 2: like Obviously I loved seeing them together, but I was
Speaker 2: just disappointed.
Speaker 1: At his growth when they first had them like meet
Speaker 1: up with each other and they you're just like, go, okay,
Speaker 1: go ahead hug, Like are you gonna hug each other?
Speaker 3: And they just like didn't. That was tense. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: I like that the kids were happy to see her too.
Speaker 1: Somebody wrote into our Instagram and goes, I can't believe
Speaker 1: they used all the same kids. I'm like, they did
Speaker 1: not use all the same kids. They've completely been recast.
Speaker 1: Two of the actors are back. Dickie and Kathleen are
Speaker 1: the same actors, but Maureen's been recast. Elizabeth, who was
Speaker 1: unseen as a child, has fully been recast, and same
Speaker 1: with Eli, because Eli was Elliott.
Speaker 3: Junior was just like a baby. I think when he
Speaker 3: was on that sh I also think.
Speaker 2: These fans are sickos when they're like, great, Kathy's dead,
Speaker 2: you guys, fuck, They're just like thrilled this woman died
Speaker 2: so they can get their job. I was sad Kathy died.
Speaker 2: I was really sad Kathy died. Yeah, she didn't even
Speaker 2: get to like, you know, I don't. I just wanted
Speaker 2: her to retire with it have a good life at
Speaker 2: the end, like relax.
Speaker 1: But you know what, at least she got to spend
Speaker 1: her last year's living in Rome. I mean she probably
Speaker 1: had it. She was living in Queen's before that. No
Speaker 1: offense to Queen's, but Queen's to Rome, that's an upgrade.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I cannot believe you're glassing over Dicky's beard. Oh
Speaker 3: you so traumatized by that? Yeah, you know what.
Speaker 1: I think Dicky's beard is a fuck you to Stabler
Speaker 1: Like they've always had, you know, tension, the two of them,
Speaker 1: and I think he's just like, look at me now, Dad,
Speaker 1: I'm a man.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm looking too far into it. Do you have
Speaker 3: any thoughts on the beard?
Speaker 2: I don't care. I honestly, I wish I cared. No,
Speaker 2: I don't know if I love a beard that thick.
Speaker 2: It seemed unkempt. Yeah, unkempt is a great word. But
Speaker 2: I don't have much other news except I mean, I
Speaker 2: have started a whole new life in a different state.
Speaker 3: Hello.
Speaker 2: But also I have been sadly rewatching girls next door.
Speaker 2: And I'm in the middle of season four about the
Speaker 2: Playboy mansion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird. I have told you that I already.
Speaker 1: I watched it as it was on. I think I've
Speaker 1: seen every episode. It's a very weird part of mine
Speaker 1: because that doesn't seem like kind of show I would watch.
Speaker 1: And I've seen all of our friends have watched it too.
Speaker 1: I think at the time it was just like that
Speaker 1: was an intriguing show. Anyway, this is all to say,
Speaker 1: please join us for our podcast about the Girls next Door.
Speaker 3: It's a spin off. We're going to be reviewing every
Speaker 3: episode of NU. We're just joking.
Speaker 2: He looked at me with such disappointment that I brought
Speaker 2: that up. But I and then I have nothing else
Speaker 2: to add. I don't even have a fun story with it.
Speaker 2: I'm just like, I watch that.
Speaker 1: I think that's where my disappointment came. Yeah, it's like, Lisa,
Speaker 1: I think you know how to finish a deal. But okay,
Speaker 1: let's jump into our episode because we have a really
Speaker 1: good one today, and it's a little bit of a
Speaker 1: long one, but it's a good ee So stay tuned,
Speaker 1: all right, everybody.
Speaker 3: Let's dive in.
Speaker 1: This is season nineteen, a more recent baby episode eight,
Speaker 1: and the episode is called Intent. I'm just gonna be upfront,
Speaker 1: up top. I am not a big fan of a
Speaker 1: post toddler Noah. Okay, Noah as a baby is adorable
Speaker 1: and I love I wanted him to just stay that
Speaker 1: age forever. When they time jump to Noah being a
Speaker 1: curly haired, little mouth talkbacker, I don't like it.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if I'm obsessed with Noah, but
Speaker 2: I definitely do not hate him on the level of hate.
Speaker 1: Is a strong Hate is a strong word. I would
Speaker 1: never say you hate children. I hate children. No, I
Speaker 1: don't like I just don't. He doesn't do anything for me,
Speaker 1: Like I roll my eyes at all his parts of
Speaker 1: the show. And I think, also, it's like too much.
Speaker 1: There's so much angst for Olivia in there. It's like
Speaker 1: she gets enough of it at work. Can't hurt, Like
Speaker 1: a life with her son just be a little bit easy.
Speaker 1: It's just it's annoying for me anyway.
Speaker 3: Well for me, it's the opposite. I'm like, this is
Speaker 3: such a well behaved little kid, Like, no kid is
Speaker 3: this behavior? Are you kidding?
Speaker 1: Maybe this episode later he is such a little punk.
Speaker 1: He talks back to her, he tries to run across
Speaker 1: the street. She grabs his arm. She ends up getting
Speaker 1: a fucking child services like investigation because she bruised his
Speaker 1: arm trying to save him from getting hit by a
Speaker 1: cab and he's like, whatever, Mom, I don't want to
Speaker 1: do that. Likes he's like a punk at age seven already,
Speaker 1: and I don't like it. All right, all right, I
Speaker 1: think he needs Olivia to show him somewhre disappointed.
Speaker 3: But we need to do a disclaimer that you love
Speaker 3: the actor.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the little boy is so cute. He's like
Speaker 1: a cut little hip hop Dan, sir, nothing wrong with
Speaker 1: the actor. I'm talking about Noah anyway. And also I
Speaker 1: understand he's been through some hard times. The first year
Speaker 1: of his life wasn't great. But I think Olivia's drying
Speaker 1: really hard. I think I'm looking at it from Olivia's
Speaker 1: point of view. She's trying really hard to give him
Speaker 1: a great life, and he's being a little bit of
Speaker 1: a of a bee. Okay, So we open on Noah
Speaker 1: walking to school with his grandmother. She aka teen icon
Speaker 1: turned full grown actress and star Brookshields.
Speaker 3: Who and our first female eyebrow icon that we discussed.
Speaker 1: Yes from the female side of the eyebrow School of Fame.
Speaker 1: It is Brookshields, and I believe that Brookshields and Marishka
Speaker 1: are good friends in real life, and that she was
Speaker 1: like begging her to do this part and was like,
Speaker 1: you're going to play a grandma and she was like okay,
Speaker 1: which I think if we all watch the Paley Center special,
Speaker 1: we saw that little tidbit, so she we see kind
Speaker 1: of like the dynamic forming of how they're sort of
Speaker 1: trying to like not co parent, but like form sort
Speaker 1: of a family structure together. Olivia walks up to Shila
Speaker 1: and Noah. She's like inviting Sheila to dinner. She can't
Speaker 1: make it, but like they're they're they're becoming this cute
Speaker 1: little family, and then Noah drops the bomb as they
Speaker 1: walk away and goes, I wish I got to meet Ellie.
Speaker 1: And as you can remember if you're or maybe you don't,
Speaker 1: if you don't watch the show, that's fine. Ellie is
Speaker 1: Noah's by iological mom, who was a had drug problems
Speaker 1: and was a sex worker and ended up being killed
Speaker 1: by Noah's biological father in a very gruesome in a
Speaker 1: very gruesome episode which we will we will probably cover
Speaker 1: another time.
Speaker 2: And it's like season long drama because she got murdered
Speaker 2: one episode and then we don't meet the.
Speaker 3: Boss of the gang for seasons, I feel, right, we think.
Speaker 1: That we kind of think the father's out of the picture,
Speaker 1: and then he's back. It's very traumatic for you know,
Speaker 1: Olivia's roller coaster of trying to become a mother. So
Speaker 1: Olivia when he mentions Ellie, Olivia gets that sort of
Speaker 1: like punched in the gut look where her mouth is
Speaker 1: like slightly agape and she's got her eyes are kind
Speaker 1: of darting, so we get that signature Benson gut punch look.
Speaker 1: And then we cut to two teen girls in a
Speaker 1: pharmacy and they're just like looking for a shampoo called
Speaker 1: pink Ice. But then it turns out there looking for
Speaker 1: blue Glacier, which to me sounds like an axe body
Speaker 1: spray sent But go off, girls, you get what you want.
Speaker 1: They are devoteys of a social media influencer named Katie Miller,
Speaker 1: who has a website called Katie's Clatch that we can
Speaker 1: see on the phone. It has two hundred and thirteen
Speaker 1: thousand followers, not bad, lots of pics of her looking, sexy,
Speaker 1: bikini shots, et cetera. Now we're sort of cutting back
Speaker 1: and forth with two scenes. The next scene is Katie,
Speaker 1: the actual influencer, in a faux for a jacket, like
Speaker 1: giggling at her phone up books this sort of jacked
Speaker 1: dude with like a big neck tattoo. There's cheesy pop
Speaker 1: music playing, so we're getting the vibe that this is
Speaker 1: like a cute little date that they're meeting up and
Speaker 1: he's like, how is Argentina? And she's like, I think
Speaker 1: you mean Pensacola, which at the time I was like,
Speaker 1: what kind of moron confuses Argentina with Pensacola. But as
Speaker 1: it keeps going, you kind of realize why that mistake happened.
Speaker 2: And I would like to mention that this guy is
Speaker 2: played by Steve Howie, who I watched a lot of Shameless,
Speaker 2: and he is I think one of the top honks
Speaker 2: in the world.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm so glad you brought that up because I
Speaker 3: forgot to look up who he was, So he's from Shame.
Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with him.
Speaker 1: That's his main role because I've seen him in other stuff,
Speaker 1: but I feel like that's his main big thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he plays like a lovable idiot, like he's
Speaker 2: a bar He owns the Bar. I loved Shameless, but
Speaker 2: then I always hate when things become basically they wouldn't
Speaker 2: let Lip go to college and they kicked him out,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, if you're not letting Lip go to college,
Speaker 2: I'm done with the show, Like can you just give
Speaker 2: him a fucking break?
Speaker 3: Sorry if this sounds insane to people that don't watch it,
Speaker 3: but Steve Howie was also they just got divorced, but
Speaker 3: he was married to Sarah Shahi, who was a very
Speaker 3: sexy character in The l Word, and her and Kate
Speaker 3: Mennig my one of my top celebrity crushes. They had
Speaker 3: like the most insane sex scenes ever, so and they
Speaker 3: had a cute kids. So I've been I've been obsessed
Speaker 3: with Steve Howie for a very long time. So I
Speaker 3: was like, very exciting.
Speaker 1: I let you do the descripting because I would not
Speaker 1: have known anything about Steve Cowie.
Speaker 2: He was the lead in Riba also, I think you're
Speaker 2: missing he got a start as one of the leads.
Speaker 3: And hey, any friend of Riba as a friend of mine,
Speaker 3: and that's where he met Sarah.
Speaker 2: Sarah was doing a guest star on that show and
Speaker 2: they met on the set of fucking Reba.
Speaker 3: Okay, and I love Riba because she likes corn dogs
Speaker 3: and I that I love.
Speaker 1: We could do a separate podcast just talking about why
Speaker 1: have you seen all the photos of Riba with corn dogs?
Speaker 2: Riba is on private jets after her show's eating corn
Speaker 2: dogs all the time.
Speaker 3: We will post some of these on our Instagram.
Speaker 1: Do you worry?
Speaker 3: We will get these. We will get these to the world. Okay.
Speaker 1: So basically now I want to call him Steve Howie,
Speaker 1: but we don't know the guy's name yet, the jacked guy.
Speaker 1: He is like, how about we just go straight to
Speaker 1: my house and get to know each other, and she's like,
Speaker 1: straight home on a first date, you should buy me
Speaker 1: a meal first, which I kind of like agree with,
Speaker 1: and then she's like, jkjk, let's just go back to
Speaker 1: your place. So she's fully fine with that idea. Now
Speaker 1: we're back to the Blue Glacier teens. They get an
Speaker 1: alert on their phone, which is Katie posting to her
Speaker 1: blae being like first date hunk with a range Rover
Speaker 1: a big red one, wish me luck. Okay, so the
Speaker 1: girls are like gagged that Katie has such a cool day,
Speaker 1: and they're like he has a range drover.
Speaker 3: Stevie has a bicycle, and then her friend.
Speaker 1: Goes, broom him. What the fuck is broom him? I
Speaker 1: think I meant to look this up on Urban Dictionary.
Speaker 3: That is SVU.
Speaker 1: That is like some fifty five year old SVU writer
Speaker 1: being like, I think my daughter says broom him.
Speaker 3: Let's try that, Like you know, it's like it did
Speaker 3: not make it at e. So my ideas are like
Speaker 3: sweep someone off the feet.
Speaker 2: And then also like the other thing I'm thinking is
Speaker 2: probably not it Urban dictionary is saying to broom is
Speaker 2: to get rid of something.
Speaker 1: Okay, so it exists umber urban Dictionary. Maybe I'm the
Speaker 1: fifty five year old writer who doesn't know what the
Speaker 1: uh what the vernacular is.
Speaker 3: But I've never heard that.
Speaker 1: I've never seen anybody write that on And why would
Speaker 1: you sweep them away?
Speaker 3: Wouldn't you want to bring him closer? No, she's saying
Speaker 3: broom her boyfriend that has the bicycle.
Speaker 1: She's like, get rid of this guy with the bicycle.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're like the old yeah no, no, okay.
Speaker 1: So then now we're at this guy's place. The ceilings
Speaker 1: are I'm not even shooting you fifty feet tall, like
Speaker 1: the apartment of six City views some huge, large empty vases.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's supposed to go in there. They're
Speaker 1: having a champagne toast. She snaps the picture of just
Speaker 1: their hands holding the glasses and is like, fans love
Speaker 1: this cryptic stuff. Hashtag who is the hand? So not
Speaker 1: the best hashtag I've ever heard, but okay. We find
Speaker 1: out he's some kind of wrestler or mma fighter. He
Speaker 1: has all these championship belts. He goes in for a kiss.
Speaker 3: She so she wants to take it slow.
Speaker 1: He immediately like viciously attacks her, Like this is actually
Speaker 1: like a pretty I remember watching this when this episode
Speaker 1: came on and being like, holy shit, this is like
Speaker 1: a lot of screaming and like very it's very it's
Speaker 1: like a traumatic scene. His name we find out is
Speaker 1: Andy because she's like Andy, no stop. And then he
Speaker 1: is going just attacking her, jumping on her, and then
Speaker 1: we cut to her walking the streets barefoot, looking completely traumatized.
Speaker 3: A guy with a dog asked if she's okay, and
Speaker 3: she says she's been raped.
Speaker 1: Then Rollin's and Finn are at the hospital trying to
Speaker 1: get her statement, and when they go to approach her.
Speaker 3: She's just like, I wasn't raped.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about, Like, get this
Speaker 1: through your skulls, like I wasn't raped. Gotta go by,
Speaker 1: And then we're into the credits. So now we're at
Speaker 1: the top of act one. We've got the full like
Speaker 1: briefing where the show kind of like, lets you know,
Speaker 1: what's the lay of the land. Katie Miller is a
Speaker 1: social media celeb Instagram, YouTube, Snap and then somebody goes,
Speaker 1: thank you Kim Kardashian. She has two hundred and thirteen
Speaker 1: thousand followers. As a girl, she's hardly a Kim Kardashian,
Speaker 1: but I get that they want to try to seem
Speaker 1: like they know what's up. And then I think it's
Speaker 1: Kreesy goes, sure, make mock influencers are the voice.
Speaker 3: Of gen Z make mock.
Speaker 1: I'm such a whatever. I know there's a lot of
Speaker 1: Korezi lovers out there. He's just funny to me. So
Speaker 1: now we're back on Blue Glacier shampoo. This is like
Speaker 1: a shampoo that Katie. I think you missed something that
Speaker 1: is obviously very important to me. Finn admits that he
Speaker 1: loves porn, kind of oh, I don't, Finn. Finn is, well,
Speaker 1: of course you didn't.
Speaker 3: I sure did. It's my number one note no, but
Speaker 3: Finn is like, why would you go on social media?
Speaker 3: Porn is free? And then oh, yeah, yeah, that's so true.
Speaker 1: Okay, So then we're talking about the blue Glacier shampoo,
Speaker 1: like Cariesie's sister uses it, so obviously we can. We're
Speaker 1: kind of getting the idea that, like, Katie makes money
Speaker 1: off of doing sponsorships and being a big celeb online.
Speaker 1: They've come across the champagne picture. Immediately Rollins goes looks
Speaker 1: like Tribeca. I'm like, from the background of the picture,
Speaker 1: you can pinpoint that that's like a three hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty degree view of the city. You could see any
Speaker 1: I don't know, Okay, she knows it's Tribeca. That's also
Speaker 1: where the UNI picked her up, so that makes sense.
Speaker 1: So they're like, what time happened between the time she
Speaker 1: disclosed and when Finn and Rollins showed up. So they're
Speaker 1: on their way to go to Katie's apartment and question
Speaker 1: her kind of try to follow up with her. Essentially,
Speaker 1: Rollins in live have a quick chat about her family troubles,
Speaker 1: with Sheila and Olivia's kind of it's like one of
Speaker 1: these rare, like sort of vulnerable moments with Olivia where
Speaker 1: she's like, doesn't She's like, I don't have a regular
Speaker 1: family life, and it just would be nice to feel
Speaker 1: like someone has my back. And Rollins is like the squad,
Speaker 1: does you know? But I think Olivia is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, I just need a little bit more than
Speaker 1: that in my real life.
Speaker 3: And you're unstable. Rollin's cough cough, Yeah, you've got my back.
Speaker 3: When there's not a big wrestling match, you've got a
Speaker 3: bet on going on.
Speaker 1: So Katie comes to the door in a Beanie calls
Speaker 1: Benson a big gun, like immediately recognizes her rank, which
Speaker 1: I feel like I never would like they're like, this
Speaker 1: is Lieu tenant Benson. I'd be like, okay, like I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't think I would know the ranks.
Speaker 1: But she like immediate is like, Okay, you're the big guy.
Speaker 1: I got it. She lives in this nice place and
Speaker 1: by herself because she posts about the realtor online and
Speaker 1: she talks about how she's working her way through school.
Speaker 1: She sends money to her family, pays her own way,
Speaker 1: so you're kind of getting the idea like that you're
Speaker 1: supposed to like this person because she's even the she's posting,
Speaker 1: you know, which, I don't have a problem with anybody
Speaker 1: posting sexy picks, but I think the show sometimes will
Speaker 1: be like they slept shame a tiny bit, I think
Speaker 1: without knowing it, so they're they're like, oh, she does
Speaker 1: post all these racy sexy picks, but it's to pay
Speaker 1: for her family and her way through school, so it's
Speaker 1: actually okay. Benson finds a picture of Katie and Andy
Speaker 1: together and is like, who's the guy with the tattoos?
Speaker 1: This all happens really quickly. Benson does a lot of
Speaker 1: real quick investigating here and is like, who's the guy
Speaker 1: with the tattoos?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Just an MMA fighter. Rollins is like, not just an
Speaker 1: m fighter, that's the monster. That's the guy's nickname or
Speaker 1: as a MMA fighter. Benson puts it all together as like,
Speaker 1: you posted a picture of a guy with tattoos. This
Speaker 1: guy has tattoos, so did the monster rape you? And
Speaker 1: Katie's like, my lawyer says, I don't have to talk
Speaker 1: to you, and he's gonna help me protect my career,
Speaker 1: and she does not want to move forward with.
Speaker 2: This well, and then Benson and Rollins are so taken aback,
Speaker 2: like you already have a lawyer, like what do you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the kind of quickly. Yeah, that moved really quickly.
Speaker 1: So now Finn and Korea are in the office of
Speaker 1: this lawyer. His name is alt Schuler, and he's like
Speaker 1: he's a you could tell he's.
Speaker 3: A deadbeat lawyer.
Speaker 1: His blinds are all fucked up, like the blinds behind
Speaker 1: him are completely askew. Nobody in a nice law firm
Speaker 1: has bad blinds. I'm just saying he's no Gloria Allread.
Speaker 1: He denies even knowing who Katie is, which we can't
Speaker 1: tell if he's just being sketchy or he doesn't know her.
Speaker 1: But they figure that Katie was just kind of like
Speaker 1: in the er waiting to be examined or and just
Speaker 1: started googling lawyers, and they think that they think Google
Speaker 1: works alphabetically or something, and then that's why she ended
Speaker 1: up with Alt Schuler.
Speaker 3: That's not how it works.
Speaker 1: It's not the Yellow Pages, but careesy a little shady goes.
Speaker 1: I doubt she's majoring in brain surgery.
Speaker 3: That's shocking. Okay, I'll use Sonny lovers.
Speaker 1: That's kind of rude, just saying, don't assume good just
Speaker 1: because a girl is paying her way through school with
Speaker 1: social media, that she's a dumb dumb liv gets a
Speaker 1: call that Andy aka the Monster, wants to talk to
Speaker 1: the cops right away, so she redirects Finn and Careesi
Speaker 1: to the gym where they show up and Andy's just
Speaker 1: like pummeling some guy, and we meet Sean Tompkins, Andy's
Speaker 1: lawyer slash manager, and he's like, my guy's got twenty
Speaker 1: million dollar fight on the line, and this wackadoodle chicks
Speaker 1: got him spun. So we're already not thinking that Sean
Speaker 1: Tompkins is a very sympathetic man. And Andy's explaining the
Speaker 1: date and saying that and Sean calls her an internet whore,
Speaker 1: which is he's not a good guy. So he shows
Speaker 1: the text he got from Katie, this recent text he
Speaker 1: got that says pay me ten thousand dollars or I'll
Speaker 1: tell the cops you rate me. So he's saying we
Speaker 1: met at a fight a few months ago. She commented
Speaker 1: on my fan page.
Speaker 3: I liked what I saw.
Speaker 1: I sent her my private number. We started texting. We
Speaker 1: both like Waylon Jennings and Johnny Cash. That's a red flag.
Speaker 1: That doesn't seem like the kind of music that Katie
Speaker 1: listens to. I'm judging a book by its covered completely
Speaker 1: right now. But I know Johnny Cash. I don't even
Speaker 1: I had to google Whalen Jennings. I mean, it's like
Speaker 1: old Americana music. Like, I don't think it's the kind
Speaker 1: of thing Katie's blaring while she's taking bikini shots for
Speaker 1: her Instagram. But I could be wrong.
Speaker 3: People contain multitudes.
Speaker 1: So apparently over while they were texting, they really connected.
Speaker 1: They talked about being shy and getting picked on, and
Speaker 1: she says in these text messages that she gets turned
Speaker 1: on watching him fight, sends racy selfies to him, and
Speaker 1: says that she has a rape fantasy, basically that she
Speaker 1: wants him to rape her. So Rollins knows a lot
Speaker 1: about the monster. She obviously dabbles in mma.
Speaker 3: Like she's a guy's gal. She's a guy's gal.
Speaker 1: She knows that he has twenty eight first round knockouts,
Speaker 1: so she knows all this stuff. And she also comes
Speaker 1: up with a great point, which it kind of bumped
Speaker 1: me too, like it's weird that she would only ask
Speaker 1: for ten k from a guy who's worth millions of dollars,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like you'd ask for six figures.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, once you saw that penhouse. That penhouse is
Speaker 3: a twenty million dollar apartment, right.
Speaker 1: Like ten k is Like I'm sure that he spends
Speaker 1: ten k on a weekend, you know, just like going out,
Speaker 1: So that's not right.
Speaker 2: I also needed to add that the makeup department did
Speaker 2: an amazing job on Steve's wrestling ears, because that's not
Speaker 2: what his ears look like in his hot and while
Speaker 2: oh they give him like.
Speaker 3: Those messed up ears.
Speaker 1: They gave him fake fucking ears. Oh snap good. Yeah, Lisa,
Speaker 1: I don't really don't. I just the whole wrestling ear thing.
Speaker 3: I wrestling ears that grosses me out. It's honestly really
Speaker 3: hard to look at.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's and so that's why how I knew
Speaker 2: it was fake, because Steve's Steve's never disgusted me before,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Benson Uh suggests that the Monster texts back Katie and
Speaker 1: say come get the money, and that if she comes
Speaker 1: to the get the money, she's a felon and if
Speaker 1: she doesn't, we'll get we'll get Monster with rape one
Speaker 1: and then Rollins walks.
Speaker 3: Away and goes, it's the monster.
Speaker 1: Just FYI, like, and Olivia if you have to go
Speaker 1: back and watch the episode, because Olivia's face that they
Speaker 1: leave her on is like, who the fuck cares?
Speaker 3: Rolins like, no one cares that it's the monster. Just
Speaker 3: go get me my conviction.
Speaker 1: So monster is h In the next scene, sitting at
Speaker 1: a park with the money, like just with a huge
Speaker 1: water cash and an envelope.
Speaker 3: Cops her on a looseboy hat and at least favorite
Speaker 3: kind of hat.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, newsboy hat, and the cops are like everywhere
Speaker 1: on the lookout, they spot Katie. She sees Andy and
Speaker 1: start immediately looks terrified and starts to run, so they
Speaker 1: grab her and she's like, what's going on. In interrogation,
Speaker 1: she explains that this is a real laugh for me,
Speaker 1: that she had an interview for a modeling gig and
Speaker 1: that a rep for Chanelle asks to meet her there
Speaker 1: at Rollins goes at Stuyvesant Park at one pm on
Speaker 1: a Sunday, and it's like, great point, Rollins, great fucking point.
Speaker 1: Chanelle is not doing business in parks. I have to
Speaker 1: tell you, like, I'm not I'm not so fashioned. Savvy,
Speaker 1: But I don't think that Chanelle or Gucci's going to
Speaker 1: hit you up and be like meet me at a
Speaker 1: hotdog vendor on Broadway at thirty fourth, Like it's just.
Speaker 3: Not going to happen.
Speaker 1: So she shows the detectives her phone. There is a
Speaker 1: text from somebody saying that there are this Chanelle rep
Speaker 1: or whatever. There's also messages from the monster that say,
Speaker 1: what the hell happened? If you tell anyone, I'll tell
Speaker 1: everyone what a slut you are and no one will
Speaker 1: believe you. So Katie now finally admits that Andy did
Speaker 1: rape her, Like she's now finally, like, you know, telling
Speaker 1: the cops basically what we've known is true the whole time.
Speaker 1: At the precinct, we obviously find out that I think
Speaker 1: Carreese called Chanel and they've never heard of Katie. And
Speaker 1: I just love the idea. Hey, Chanelle, it's me Dominic
Speaker 1: CARESI people call me Sonny, just wondering did you guys
Speaker 1: make a plan to meet a girl named Katie in
Speaker 1: the park at some.
Speaker 3: Point on Sunday?
Speaker 1: Like I just can't. I love imagining how that call
Speaker 1: went down. And so obviously we find out that's fake
Speaker 1: and the text with the lawyer are fake too, so
Speaker 1: the lawyer didn't actually know Katie at all. They were
Speaker 1: like Katie was texting with like a fake person. So
Speaker 1: they basically figure out the crux of the entire episode
Speaker 1: is that there's a third party involved, not only a catfish,
Speaker 1: but a double catfish. Someone is posing as the Monster
Speaker 1: to Katie and as Katie to the Monster.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they point out that, like the text on
Speaker 2: Katie's phone make her seem like a beautiful angel in
Speaker 2: him like a perverted creep. Yeah, on his phone, she's
Speaker 2: like a dirt, prety slat and he's like this nice guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Something's wild, right, So it's just they can tell something's
Speaker 1: up here. They get the computer crimes guys to check
Speaker 1: the IP address. We get a classic walk and talk
Speaker 1: with Coffee with Barba and Benson, and he explains to
Speaker 1: Live that if they want to go after a third
Speaker 1: party for accomplice to rape, that means Monster has to
Speaker 1: be convicted of rape. Like, you can't convict somebody of
Speaker 1: being an accomplice to a crime that doesn't exist, which
Speaker 1: is kind of crazy, but that's true.
Speaker 3: I get why that's true. So they offer Monster a deal.
Speaker 1: They offer him rape three, which is a non violent
Speaker 1: e felony, no jail time, one year probation. They explain
Speaker 1: the whole situation to him and his manager. The manager's like,
Speaker 1: why would he do this? You guys are never going
Speaker 1: to be able to get him on rape like, and
Speaker 1: they basically explain the catfisher and they say, if you
Speaker 1: don't cop to this, it's like Katie's rape never happened.
Speaker 3: And then they do something, Liza, I'm dying for your
Speaker 3: opinion on this.
Speaker 1: They do something to up the stakes because Andy seems
Speaker 1: very apologetic, but he doesn't seem like he's going to
Speaker 1: take the deal. And then Katie reveals she was a
Speaker 1: virgin when he attacked her. And I don't know why
Speaker 1: that makes a difference.
Speaker 2: Well, I think rape is rape, no matter if you're
Speaker 2: a virgin or not a virgin. But I think to
Speaker 2: a man like the monster, that matters.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 2: I think it's a normal person who doesn't understand that
Speaker 2: the concept of virginity is not real and it's created
Speaker 2: by men to put worth on a pussy and like
Speaker 2: that's all your worth or whatever, like it's not a
Speaker 2: real thing. But most people think of virginity as a
Speaker 2: very coveted thing. So I think that's gonna play his
Speaker 2: heartstrings a little bit. And it mistakes in the show.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's people that are watching that are like.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's even worse.
Speaker 2: But also I thought you were going to ask my
Speaker 2: opinion where about how they would bring her in to
Speaker 2: manipulate him in a way like they would never have
Speaker 2: them meet.
Speaker 3: I think in real life that's true too.
Speaker 1: That's true too, like having them meet and be like,
Speaker 1: are you going to take this deal and prove that
Speaker 1: a rape happened? Look in her eyes, look in her eyes?
Speaker 1: Are you going to say no to this deal? Like
Speaker 1: it just doesn't But he is a.
Speaker 2: Good guy and he's not a rapist, and that's the thing, Like, right,
Speaker 2: he would not have raped And I think he does
Speaker 2: feel terrible.
Speaker 3: I think he feels terrible. Sure, I'm sure he feels terrible.
Speaker 1: I think in real life, nobody's gonna give up their
Speaker 1: multimillion dollar MMA career for this And he'd probably just
Speaker 1: like offer to give her some kind of money if
Speaker 1: this was real, real world.
Speaker 3: But we can move on. He agrees to take the deal.
Speaker 3: Steve how he's a great guy.
Speaker 1: Uh and uh.
Speaker 3: Lisa knew that from the beginning, and now they can
Speaker 3: go after the cat fisher.
Speaker 1: So at the top of act two, they track the
Speaker 1: catfisher to West Virginia, And wouldn't you know that is
Speaker 1: where my husband is from. So of course I googled
Speaker 1: Magsville to see if it's real or not. It's like
Speaker 1: a tiny, tiny town in West Virginia. It's about two
Speaker 1: hours from where my husband grew up. He grew up
Speaker 1: in Morgantown, which is actually a city it has to
Speaker 1: call a big university, and it's like it's near Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: It's really not what you kind of think of when
Speaker 1: you think of West Virginia. And West Virginia is a beautiful,
Speaker 1: beautiful state that is just filled with a lot of
Speaker 1: silly people.
Speaker 2: I also loved when Benson's like, all right, book first
Speaker 2: class tickets.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Garsy goes, oh really, and then she goes, no, fuck,
Speaker 3: I did write LOL about that one.
Speaker 1: And then it's like Finn, you're writing Shotgun and he's like,
Speaker 1: oh no, no, I'm allergic to West Virginia, which I get.
Speaker 3: And then so now Rollins has to go. So now
Speaker 3: this is like for all the release.
Speaker 1: He fans out there, all the people that ship this
Speaker 1: relationship between Rollins and Creesy. We're getting them on a
Speaker 1: road trip to West Virginia together. The sexual moment you've
Speaker 1: all been waiting for now we get. We go back
Speaker 1: to like Olivia. We're at Olivia's apartment having like a
Speaker 1: tense moment with Sheila and Olivia. I don't really want
Speaker 1: to dwell on this because I just don't. It's not
Speaker 1: really that big of a deal. Like she's like, I'm
Speaker 1: mad at you for say, bringing up Ellie and she's like,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I spoke without thinking I'm really sorry.
Speaker 1: So they work it out kind of immediately and it's
Speaker 1: a quick moment.
Speaker 3: The one thing I do love.
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is this is the one
Speaker 2: she's cutting green apples. Yeah, And I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's ASMR or what. Like I could watch Brookshields chopp
Speaker 2: an Apple for hours, Like I was very obsessed with
Speaker 2: what was happening.
Speaker 1: And they end that moment kind of being like, is
Speaker 1: it okay if I buy Noah a coat? And then
Speaker 1: that's like we think that she's going to buy Noah
Speaker 1: a coat. I don't know why no it doesn't have
Speaker 1: a fucking cod He lives in New York City. But okay,
Speaker 1: so now we're in West Virginia and the cops are
Speaker 1: getting the arriving to the house with the with a
Speaker 1: local officer. There's an old lady on oxygen watching TV like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I can only imagine what kind of fever
Speaker 1: dream she thought she was going through when two new
Speaker 1: NYPD officers walked into her house, Like, I mean, like,
Speaker 1: that's got to just feel like you're absolutely hallucinating.
Speaker 3: She calls to Heather and she's like Heather, and Heather's.
Speaker 1: Like you're the police, and they're like, you know why
Speaker 1: we're here, and she's like yeah, because I'm stupid. She
Speaker 1: like wants to have a hand. She's like introducing herself
Speaker 1: to the cops, trying to shake hands with them. You're
Speaker 1: just kind of getting the idea that she's a little
Speaker 1: bit of like a simple woman, Like she's just kind
Speaker 1: of like, oh, the cops are here, what's hi.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm Heather. Like it's just weird.
Speaker 1: She doesn't seem scared. She's just kind of not getting reality.
Speaker 1: They want her computer and then they're taking her away
Speaker 1: and the grandma's kind of like, who's going to change
Speaker 1: my bag?
Speaker 3: And I think we all know what goes into the
Speaker 3: old bag.
Speaker 1: Now we get to this kind of weird scene because
Speaker 1: we don't really see stuff like this, where Coreese and
Speaker 1: Rollins and this local cop named Chuck are having a
Speaker 1: little fun at a local dive bar.
Speaker 3: Okay, they're just letting loose, heaving beers, and so it
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 1: It's a six hour drive from New York to Morgantown,
Speaker 1: where my husband's from. So it's an eight hour drive
Speaker 1: from Maysville. So I guess they probably had to stay overnight.
Speaker 1: I guess that was probably like it was too much
Speaker 1: to go there and back in a day. So they're
Speaker 1: chilling at this bar. CARESI at one point asked Siri
Speaker 1: to set a reminder. I was like, is this a
Speaker 1: Apple tie in?
Speaker 3: Did you guys do a trade out?
Speaker 1: It was like a confusing sponsored moment in the show,
Speaker 1: especially because like they have to say face space. They
Speaker 1: can't even say Facebook, so I don't understand now they're
Speaker 1: talking about Siri.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like it was intentional. But Rollins goes in
Speaker 1: questions this hot bartender about going to school with Heather.
Speaker 1: He's like, she's a sad sack, had a bad dad, had.
Speaker 3: To care for the mom.
Speaker 1: He doesn't really have any information, and then Rollins starts
Speaker 1: telling Careesy about her old dive bar that she used
Speaker 1: to go to back home and her fling with Roy Junior,
Speaker 1: and then she just throws right out to cares Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then I took him out back and banged his
Speaker 1: brains out, and you're like, WHOA, Okay. I mean nothing
Speaker 1: wrong with having a little fun, but it just seems
Speaker 1: like it seemed like a weird jump in there. Normally
Speaker 1: like more professional relationship, and I was like, not since
Speaker 1: season one when Jeffries talks about hooking up with a
Speaker 1: former suspect and we heard a detective being so graphic
Speaker 1: about their sex life. You never hear Olivia being like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I love being on top, like you know,
Speaker 1: so anyway, there's like an awkward moment, but then they
Speaker 1: laugh about it, and then Rollins is like, and then
Speaker 1: the guy died of melanoma. I do not know what's
Speaker 1: going on with this conversation. It gets so weird. And
Speaker 1: then Careese has to go check on Chuck, the local cop,
Speaker 1: because he's gotten two wasted buck. The hot bartender sends
Speaker 1: a round of shots over because he's clearly trying to
Speaker 1: flirt with Rollins. Careese's carrying Chuck back to the table.
Speaker 1: Chuck bumps into a guy. A full bar brawl erupts.
Speaker 3: It's just like wild.
Speaker 1: I feel like almost I'm watching Chicago Fire. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that makes any sense. This just seems like
Speaker 1: something that would happen in another Dick Wolf show and
Speaker 1: not this one. I don't even want I've never even
Speaker 1: seen one episode of Chicago Fire show.
Speaker 3: I don't know where that came from.
Speaker 2: But I do want to give a shout out if
Speaker 2: we're going to bring up Chicago Fire. Our friends Mike Joyce,
Speaker 2: he used to run an open mic in Chicago at
Speaker 2: a bar called Lotties, and they would film Chicago Fire there.
Speaker 2: So sometimes we'd go do the open mic and the
Speaker 2: signage would be different and like they would remodel.
Speaker 3: The inside and we'd be like someone was here today.
Speaker 2: I took a lot of implements shots in that basement
Speaker 2: and had a lot of fun, and I ate a
Speaker 2: lot of Tater tots.
Speaker 3: So shout out to Lotties.
Speaker 1: Cariese and Rowins are going back to their hotel, and
Speaker 1: she's like, that's the most fun I've had since Christmas
Speaker 1: of O five.
Speaker 3: I really want to know what happened.
Speaker 1: Then Cariese's kind of like leaning in.
Speaker 3: He's sort of going for it a man.
Speaker 2: Okay, you're missing a lot of details, and I think
Speaker 2: it's because you don't want to have sex with Careesy,
Speaker 2: So I'm going to take over for a second. They're
Speaker 2: they're you know, they're at a motel and he's walking
Speaker 2: Rollin's to her room and he's leaning. I mean, I
Speaker 2: I like got giddy, like I had to turn this
Speaker 2: off and walk away and go back in. I was
Speaker 2: just getting like hot, Like I just like couldn't watch this.
Speaker 2: It was so awkward but romantic. But it's truly like
Speaker 2: they were about to kiss. I feel like there was
Speaker 2: a lot of.
Speaker 3: Leaning and he's like, you know, like you know, I
Speaker 3: really like you as a partner and she's like uh
Speaker 3: huh and he's like no, like it's deeper than that,
Speaker 3: and she's like ah, and then he gets rejected and
Speaker 3: it's just like so hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's kind of why I like don't understand
Speaker 1: a lot of the releasi, like shipping because it's like
Speaker 1: she's just had so many opportunities and just keeps rejecting him.
Speaker 1: So then in the morning, Careese's on the phone with
Speaker 1: Olivia being like, we don't need to extra date Heather.
Speaker 3: She wants to come to New York.
Speaker 1: This girl, we can clearly tell, is like a little
Speaker 1: bit fame hungry, wants anything exciting to happen in her life,
Speaker 1: and I think getting escorted by the cops to New
Speaker 1: York counts as a fun night a day for her
Speaker 1: and Coreese spots Buck the hot bartender leaving Rollins' motel rooms.
Speaker 3: So that is like a second layer of rejection because
Speaker 3: she was horny.
Speaker 1: She just wasn't horny for him. And guess what, Rollins,
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I don't see it, but I know
Speaker 1: a lot of other people do. Please don't come for me.
Speaker 3: You like see his heartbreak? Yeah, there's a lot of
Speaker 3: but we'll see more happens at that.
Speaker 1: Okay, So now Heather's telling Rollins about how her and
Speaker 1: her friends always dreamed of going to New York, like
Speaker 1: Mary Tyler Moore. We cut back to live in Sheila.
Speaker 1: This is the apple cutting scene. This is where apples Okay,
Speaker 1: she explains how her sister died. She wants to buy
Speaker 1: Noah a jacket, blah blah blah. Caresy and Rollins are
Speaker 1: driving Heather back to New York City and Chrisy's being
Speaker 1: kind of passive aggressive to Ralins, and Heather is asking
Speaker 1: if she's going to be able to meet the monster.
Speaker 1: So she really has like no idea what's happening. How
Speaker 1: much trouble she's in right now? We cut to negotiating
Speaker 1: with Barbara and they're offering Heather and her lawyer rape too,
Speaker 1: which is seven years in prison, and she's like, well
Speaker 1: less if I behave good. And then suddenly the gross
Speaker 1: lawyer from the beginning who was getting catfished, he comes
Speaker 1: in being like, Heather's my client because he's heard about
Speaker 1: Heather on the news and now he wants a piece
Speaker 1: of this action. He's going to do it pro bono
Speaker 1: because he just wants like the money, which I don't
Speaker 1: know where the money.
Speaker 3: Would be coming from. I guess from the fame.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, and maybe they'll do a civil suit or something.
Speaker 2: And fame is more important. I mean, the bling empire
Speaker 2: or their billionaire is not enough for them. They had
Speaker 2: to do a reality show. People want to be famous.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 1: Okay, So he apparently was on a list of best
Speaker 1: lawyers in New York City. I'm like, I doubt it,
Speaker 1: but okay, he says. His client rejects the plea deal
Speaker 1: at the precinct got more tension between Curries and Rollins,
Speaker 1: but she's also weirdly flirting with him, Like I don't
Speaker 1: really know why everyone she is fucking with him so bad.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm a person.
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes I fuck strangers and sometimes I fuck
Speaker 1: people I know, and sometimes I fuck people.
Speaker 3: I work with, or does something like that.
Speaker 1: She basically says to him, You've got a shot, Like
Speaker 1: that's what she basically says to him, Like I didn't
Speaker 1: give you a shot last night, but you've got a shot.
Speaker 3: So maybe that's why everyone keeps holding a candle for no.
Speaker 3: She's playing, she's toying with him. She's toying. Yeah, Sunny
Speaker 3: deserves better than that, right.
Speaker 1: So now we're in court and Katie's text testifying about
Speaker 1: her text with the monsters, how the date went went,
Speaker 1: and then how she describes the attack monsters on the stand,
Speaker 1: he explains the rape fantasy they're basically painting the picture
Speaker 1: of the entire catfishing thing for the jury. Heather has
Speaker 1: confessed to doing this, she just never thought it would
Speaker 1: actually happen. She got the idea, She says, she got
Speaker 1: the idea for the rape fantasy from one of her
Speaker 1: mom's soaps, and so she basically describes her life taking
Speaker 1: care of her mom, cooking, feeding her, changing her poop bag,
Speaker 1: giving her spongeback, and then sometimes holding the bucket when
Speaker 1: she pukes. So it's like she has a not a
Speaker 1: great life, you know. She lives in like a small
Speaker 1: town and is like beholden to her dying mother. She
Speaker 1: basically has created this whole life on the computer. She
Speaker 1: never intended for the rape to happen or for the
Speaker 1: Monster to go to jail. So now Live and Barbara
Speaker 1: are at the bar and he's basically explaining to Olivia.
Speaker 1: He's like, she's not malicious, Like there's not a lot
Speaker 1: of intent here to quote the episode title, like she
Speaker 1: has no motive, and he thinks the jury is going
Speaker 1: to quit just out of pity. Then Coreesy shows up
Speaker 1: with kind of a smoking gun, saying that both Katie
Speaker 1: and Monster have texts on their phone with a picture
Speaker 1: of Heather.
Speaker 3: It's like, mind, if my.
Speaker 1: Friend tags along, which what is her plan? If they
Speaker 1: both said yes, she shows up and is like, I'm
Speaker 1: friends with both of you, Like I don't understand, like
Speaker 1: what she thought was going to happen there Also, I
Speaker 1: have to also, for a second stop and just say
Speaker 1: that this entire episode is predicated on the idea that
Speaker 1: there are no verified accounts, because Heather would have to
Speaker 1: set up accounts that had massive followers, counts that mimicked
Speaker 1: the exact people but were not verified, and convinced both
Speaker 1: of these famous people to start trusting a non verified account.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying it can't.
Speaker 1: Happen, but it'd be more difficult than the show makes
Speaker 1: it seem. So anyway, Barbara establishes that it's a possible
Speaker 1: revenge motive that they rejected her coming along on the date,
Speaker 1: but it's not mensraya, And if we all remember from
Speaker 1: Legally Blonde, mens reya is the intention or knowledge of wrongdoing. Okay,
Speaker 1: So then Careesy shows them the something and goes toss
Speaker 1: these in the pot as well, and shows them some
Speaker 1: other pictures, and Barbara goes, the human body has a
Speaker 1: lot of bones.
Speaker 3: We never really get to what that is.
Speaker 1: We don't know what the pictures are of. I guess
Speaker 1: Heather's sending nudes. It's confusing. Back in court, Barbara is
Speaker 1: cross examining Heather talking about how she uses Blue Glacier shampoo.
Speaker 1: He basically exposes that she has red another user name
Speaker 1: on Reddit that's Blimpy eighty nine, and they show posts
Speaker 1: where she's shitting on Katie and shitting on Blue Glacier shampoo,
Speaker 1: Like why would anybody want to buy a shampoo from
Speaker 1: this slug?
Speaker 3: So they're getting.
Speaker 1: They're creating the narrative and supporting the narrative that Heather's
Speaker 1: not just this dumb dumb she is a malicious, jealous
Speaker 1: person who is mad that she has a bad life
Speaker 1: and that these people have good lives. And so she's
Speaker 1: basically saying that she never meant to hurt Andy. And
Speaker 1: then it's like, well what about Katie, And she's like, well,
Speaker 1: she's from Pensacola. That's not that much bigger than my town.
Speaker 1: She gets supposed naked photos of herself for money, and
Speaker 1: I have to rub my mom's feet. She's like, it's
Speaker 1: not fair. She gets paid to take a shower and
Speaker 1: I have to change Mama's poop bag.
Speaker 3: She deserves what she got.
Speaker 1: So Heather kind of has a breakdown on the stand,
Speaker 1: which we know in real life never happens, but on
Speaker 1: the show is Our Bread and Butter. Heather is found guilty.
Speaker 1: And then there are sort of two buttons to end
Speaker 1: the episode. One is that we're at a department store
Speaker 1: where Sheila's buying Noah the warm coat that he needs.
Speaker 1: We see it over the shoulder POV of a sketchy
Speaker 1: guy in a hoodie watching them. Shila turns her back
Speaker 1: for literally four seconds, and when she's gone, Noah's gone
Speaker 1: without a peep. I don't know if that really will
Speaker 1: happen with like a kid that's as old as Noah, Like,
Speaker 1: I feel like you say something, but whatever. At the
Speaker 1: precinct the Monster, there's a New York Post or it's
Speaker 1: not the New York Posts, like the Ledger or something.
Speaker 1: It's a headline that the Monster is caged is the headline.
Speaker 1: So his career is totally over. And I'm like, now,
Speaker 1: in the real world, it's not. Plenty of athletes have
Speaker 1: raped and kept going on to make millions more dollars,
Speaker 1: but I guess in this case, we think that his
Speaker 1: MMA career will suffer, and then Live gets the call
Speaker 1: from Sheila and we end the episode on this terrified
Speaker 1: face of hers because clearly Noah has been taken well.
Speaker 2: And also Finn is right there with you because they're like, uh, oh,
Speaker 2: what's the monster going to do? And Finn goes he
Speaker 2: can go to Hollywood? Yeah, which I thought was a
Speaker 2: nice little dig there, Finn. But also he did the
Speaker 2: right thing and he did I guess he did rape,
Speaker 2: but he didn't rape. Like, I just wonder why he
Speaker 2: would be vilified. Is it because he had to plead?
Speaker 2: Like we see the story, like we know the truth, Like,
Speaker 2: I just wonder why he would still.
Speaker 1: Be So I think that this kind of story it
Speaker 1: is like really hard to get through to people in
Speaker 1: the press.
Speaker 3: It's just so confusing and it's like what do you mean?
Speaker 1: And like I think people wouldn't believe it, or like
Speaker 1: remember when Mantiteo got Catfish, people were like it kind
Speaker 1: of ruined his career a little bit, Like people were
Speaker 1: just like, how could you be so stupid? Like so,
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's a lot of life.
Speaker 2: This is an amazing tie into what we're going to
Speaker 2: talk about soon with the crime and in unprecedented history
Speaker 2: of this podcast, the crime's pretty chill. It's actually a
Speaker 2: pretty fun crime. There's not a rape to be seen here,
Speaker 2: no one gets physically hurt, there's no burnings. Like this
Speaker 2: is going to be a smooth sailing crime. I cannot wait.
Speaker 2: We will get into it when we come back. Okay,
Speaker 2: welcome back. So this crime I've actually known about for
Speaker 2: a very very long time. It was an episode of
Speaker 2: Catfish that I happened to catch one time.
Speaker 1: Liza, you watch Catfish religiously admit it on the road.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like if you know, if there's no SVU or
Speaker 2: Housewives or Kardashians or South Park.
Speaker 1: It's this or Simpson's it's like a solid seven or
Speaker 1: eight down on your road televisions, I will watch Catfish.
Speaker 2: So this is on episode twelve of season six. It
Speaker 2: is called Open Investigation. If you want to check it out.
Speaker 2: I think something weird happened with one of the hosts.
Speaker 2: I don't really know, but yeah, there was a me
Speaker 2: too thing. I think book go on and this is
Speaker 2: this was the biggest show of their career because it
Speaker 2: was a legit crime. It wasn't like a pre super
Speaker 2: produced thing. So basically, this girl Paris done. She is very,
Speaker 2: very pretty hot girl, and she this in twenty twelve,
Speaker 2: and she posts lots of photos.
Speaker 3: She's having a good time, and she had a.
Speaker 2: Giant crush on Chris Anderson, who is an NBA player
Speaker 2: on the Denver Nuggets at the time, and he's nicknamed
Speaker 2: Birdman because he has a mohawk, lots of tattoos, and
Speaker 2: he flaps his arms like a bird and the audience
Speaker 2: loves it.
Speaker 3: I don't know what to say.
Speaker 2: So he's known for his flapping movements and he was
Speaker 2: described by some as like the white Denis Rodman, you know,
Speaker 2: a little bad boy, and or she.
Speaker 3: He's six ' ten, a giant guy. Wow. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: he is fucking hot. Okay, he is hot.
Speaker 2: I understand why Paris had a crush on this NBA player.
Speaker 2: So she commented on his post and she legit wrote, hey,
Speaker 2: you should text me and put her phone number on
Speaker 2: a comment. So it's kind of like what you referenced
Speaker 2: with the episode where it's like, was there verified counts
Speaker 2: in twenty twelve? I don't know, Like the timing of
Speaker 2: everything does really affect it. I don't think anyone would
Speaker 2: put their phone numbers so prominently like this, And then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, he friend requests her and starts
Speaker 2: texting her. So Paris is living her fantasy and she's
Speaker 2: like in Georgia or something, I don't remember, Tennessee, like.
Speaker 3: Pick a state down there, and that's where she is.
Speaker 3: So they're texting.
Speaker 2: Obviously, they start sending nudes, and they start, you know,
Speaker 2: some sexual photos, some sexting, all of that. So she
Speaker 2: also then starts getting texts from a guy named Tom,
Speaker 2: and Tom is Birdman's best friend, and so he's like, soh.
Speaker 3: Hey, I'm Chris's friend, Like what do you think about
Speaker 3: all this?
Speaker 2: And so she starts texting with this other guy too,
Speaker 2: and Tom is the one that proposes, like you should
Speaker 2: come see Chris, like you guys should meet, and he
Speaker 2: and she goes okay, and so they do decide to meet.
Speaker 3: So she flies to fucking Denver.
Speaker 2: They've never talked on the phone, there's not been a
Speaker 2: skype in sight, but she hops a plane. This guyfe insight,
Speaker 2: hops on a plane and flies to Denver to meet
Speaker 2: Chris Anderson. And my favorite thing I also watched a
Speaker 2: twenty twenty segment on this crime as well, and it's
Speaker 2: called hooking a Catfish.
Speaker 3: And Deborah Roberts is the interviewer.
Speaker 2: And what's amazing is she's interviewing Paris and the whole
Speaker 2: time she's like, did this concern you?
Speaker 3: And Paris is like, nah, not at all. And she's like,
Speaker 3: were you nervous about sending nude? She goes, no, he
Speaker 3: was hot. I loved it. She goes, were you scared
Speaker 3: to fly?
Speaker 2: She goes, no, not at all. Didn't think it was weird.
Speaker 2: So it's really funny, like Deborah is trying to like
Speaker 2: bring some sort of like levity to this and this
Speaker 2: girl Paris is just like cuckockachew. She's just like I
Speaker 2: love it, Like she's just hot and wants to fuck
Speaker 2: and had not like no suspicions at all about anything,
Speaker 2: But why would you have suspicions about anything? She flies
Speaker 2: to Denver and guess who's waiting to pick her up.
Speaker 2: It's fucking Birdman. So this NBA player picks her up
Speaker 2: up from the airport. So like they do say like, now,
Speaker 2: like there was inconsistencies where he said like, oh, did
Speaker 2: you bring all that victorious secret for me?
Speaker 3: And she goes what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: And when she brought up Tom, he had no idea
Speaker 2: who she was talking about, but she just thought he
Speaker 2: was being like jokey, you know, like what do you mean?
Speaker 3: I have no idea who that is. But like so
Speaker 3: she thought it was a joke.
Speaker 2: But also in hindsight, of course, all these little details
Speaker 2: is kind of like the Pensacola thing within the episode,
Speaker 2: like you never think there's more when the guy is
Speaker 2: standing right in front of you. Nothing can be more
Speaker 2: real than this fucking hotty picking you up. And I
Speaker 2: guess he was also like, hey, so are you excited
Speaker 2: for your trip to Africa? And she's like, what the
Speaker 2: fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 1: So there was some like they honestly, they probably just
Speaker 1: both assumed, oh, you're talking to like three other guys,
Speaker 1: you're talking to five other girls, like you you're mixing
Speaker 1: me up with someone else, because like we're young and
Speaker 1: we're fucking a lot of people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they have a great they have a great time.
Speaker 2: I think they fuck they have the it's great. This
Speaker 2: is like a dream. I'm just thinking if I had
Speaker 2: a crush on a celebrity and then that celebrity was
Speaker 2: like come here and then I fucked. I would just
Speaker 2: be like, what the fuck? Like this it's too good
Speaker 2: to be true. So then he has to go to
Speaker 2: practice and she goes nuts. She starts taking selfies with
Speaker 2: his dog, with his shoes and his closet and the bat.
Speaker 2: I mean, she is just like on a selfie storm.
Speaker 2: And during this time Tom is texting her being like, oh,
Speaker 2: did you have fun?
Speaker 3: Send me this photo? Send me that photo.
Speaker 2: So Tom is like telling her what to do in
Speaker 2: the house and she's fighting Tom back a little where
Speaker 2: it's like, no, I don't want to do that.
Speaker 3: Whatever.
Speaker 2: Wait, kar, I can't believe you're listening to this not
Speaker 2: knowing what Birdman looks like, and the fact that Lisa
Speaker 2: thinks he's hot.
Speaker 3: No, I'm texting you a picture the second okay, guyst No,
Speaker 3: I am so as a basketball fan, you guys, not
Speaker 3: knowing who this is so funny to be Birdman was
Speaker 3: like the joke of the NBA.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I've never seen this person in my life.
Speaker 1: But I also don't think he's hot, no at all mortifying.
Speaker 1: He is not hot, Lisa and everyone made fun of
Speaker 1: him so much, so this is extra funny. I could
Speaker 1: see a million girls wanting to go fly across country
Speaker 1: to fuck this guy. It's just funny you listening to
Speaker 1: this having no idea what he looked like, and not
Speaker 1: knowing that he's such a joke.
Speaker 3: He could be a I mean, I guess I'm more
Speaker 3: into like the accessory. I like tattoos. Tattoos, you're into that.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 3: I kind of get it.
Speaker 2: I'm a tattoo girl. I can't really can't deny it.
Speaker 2: You love ink, Okay. So then there's like some weirdness
Speaker 2: of how everything goes south. So one story is like
Speaker 2: Chris and Tom were obsessed with Call of Duty and
Speaker 2: I guess there was a guy in Indiana that was
Speaker 2: like beating them and they didn't like it. And they
Speaker 2: were trying to convince Paris to fly to Indiana and
Speaker 2: steal the guy's account and password. So that was weird
Speaker 2: and she didn't want to do that, and that apparently
Speaker 2: set Chris and Tom off. The other thing is that
Speaker 2: Paris is saying that she was telling Birdman that her
Speaker 2: friend got her some sort of passes to meet Blake Griffin,
Speaker 2: another NBA player, and that set him off, like he
Speaker 2: was pissed that she was going to go see this
Speaker 2: other NBA player and I would like to add sorry,
Speaker 2: but I have met Blake Griffin. He's like a big
Speaker 2: comedy fan and he was doing comedy for a while.
Speaker 2: So he was at the Just for Laughs festival in
Speaker 2: Montreal one year and he was the selfie to get.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's not one comedian that year that did
Speaker 2: not run to Blake s all of them all.
Speaker 1: And was like, is this fucking guy doing Is this
Speaker 1: the guy that was married to Kim Kardashian.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, this guy is dating No,
Speaker 3: but he's dating Kendall. He was dating Kendall.
Speaker 1: He was dating Kendall, and I was like, is this
Speaker 1: guy doing comedy? And I guess he sort of was.
Speaker 2: Well, he did the roast of Caitlyn Jenner recently, but
Speaker 2: he was also a fan. Anytime I saw him, he
Speaker 2: was like, I'm going to the v panel, like he
Speaker 2: was jazz to be there. And I actually got to
Speaker 2: do a host They do a show called me Night's
Speaker 2: Surprise or the lineup's always a surprise for the audience,
Speaker 2: and so he hosted a show and I.
Speaker 3: Was on it, and so I was like, I better
Speaker 3: fucking kill Blake Griffin.
Speaker 2: It's to think I'm amazing, and I will. But he
Speaker 2: was like really nice and cool, so I understand Paris
Speaker 2: if she so, I don't. I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: the Xbox thing or the Blake Griffin or I'm not
Speaker 2: really sure. But something sets them off and Chris starts
Speaker 2: and everything's in air quotes like obviously there's you know,
Speaker 2: Tomfoolery afoot.
Speaker 3: So something's afoot.
Speaker 2: But Chris starts texting Paris like I'm gonna kill you,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna rape you, I'm gonna dump your body, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna throw you on the side of the streets, starts
Speaker 2: threatening like it all becomes super super violent, and then
Speaker 2: what Chris is getting is messages being like you better
Speaker 2: give me money or I'm gonna say you rape me,
Speaker 2: like starts threatening him and twenty twenty had an interview
Speaker 2: with his like longtime lawyer and friend and manager type
Speaker 2: person who also lets us know that Chris Anderson was
Speaker 2: like a foster kid who's like loves to do a
Speaker 2: lot of community service, Like he's like he's like a
Speaker 2: really good guy. But then Paris starts receiving texts from
Speaker 2: Chris that are like threatening her, threatening to put her
Speaker 2: nudes online and demanding all of these things from her.
Speaker 3: So it was confusing. So all of a sudden, all
Speaker 3: Paris's nudes are on some reddit, some blog.
Speaker 2: I don't know where they are on the internet. This
Speaker 2: is beyond my brain's capacity. But the nudes go on
Speaker 2: the internet. Now, this is obviously non consensual sharing of
Speaker 2: nude photos. But what is crazy is Paris lied about
Speaker 2: her age, and Paris is under age and she's seventeen
Speaker 2: years old.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Liza, want a twist. When I was seventeen,
Speaker 1: I couldn't fly anywhere without what the heck?
Speaker 2: Oh that's an amazing point, Kara, thank you for saying that.
Speaker 2: So basically, Deborah Roberts is like, what do you mean
Speaker 2: you just flew? What did your parents say?
Speaker 3: And she goes, well, I was dating a guy in Washington,
Speaker 3: so I just told them I was going to go
Speaker 3: visit him. So she's just like a very sexually mature
Speaker 3: team never in a million years.
Speaker 2: So at this point she's really upset that her nudes
Speaker 2: are on the internet, and so she tells her mother
Speaker 2: and her mother is like, are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 3: I'm calling the motherfucking cops.
Speaker 2: So the authorities get involved now because there's underage photography
Speaker 2: of a nude child on the internet. What's gonna happen
Speaker 2: now the authorities are involved. This is a giant scandal.
Speaker 2: This is all over the news. Chris Anderson's house is
Speaker 2: being raided by the FBI. This is you know, all
Speaker 2: the news are like, Chris Anderson is a child pornographer.
Speaker 2: He likes child porn. He gets kicked off the Nuggets.
Speaker 2: His career is pretty much over, his reputation is over.
Speaker 2: And he is a very you know, he's like a giant, tall,
Speaker 2: tattooed man. So he's very popular in Denver. He had
Speaker 2: to leave Denver because he's so well known. People were screaming,
Speaker 2: you know, awful things at him that he's a fucking pediphile.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: So the FBI takes everyone's technology and guess what they
Speaker 2: figure out there's an in between person and all of
Speaker 2: the communication is being centered from fucking Canada, a tiny
Speaker 2: town called Easterville that's five hours away from fucking Winnipeg.
Speaker 2: It's the tiniest town to the point where there's not
Speaker 2: even a There is one grocery.
Speaker 3: Store and that is it.
Speaker 2: It is in the middle of nowhere, and Paris does
Speaker 2: earlier say like she was confused that the area codes
Speaker 2: were weird, But when you're a horny teen, you're not
Speaker 2: what are you going to do?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like, maybe she hasn't watched twenty two full
Speaker 1: seasons of Law and Order resview and become a detective.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So all of a sudden we find out that
Speaker 2: there's double catfishing going on.
Speaker 3: They've never seen anything like it. What the fuck is
Speaker 3: going on? And so Chris.
Speaker 2: Anderson does eventually get cleared of everything, and the age
Speaker 2: of consent in Denver is seventeen, so.
Speaker 3: He didn't he didn't do anything illegal. He did not
Speaker 3: do anything illegal.
Speaker 2: But and they talk about this like the news blast
Speaker 2: of him being exonerated wasn't as big as that he's.
Speaker 3: A fucking child pedophile. So there are some people that
Speaker 3: probably still associate his reputation with these crimes even though
Speaker 3: he did nothing wrong. So now who is this girl?
Speaker 2: So the they're getting catfished by a woman named Shelley Chardier,
Speaker 2: which is funny because the episode kept talking about poop
Speaker 2: bags and her last name has the word chart in it.
Speaker 3: Obviously, you know.
Speaker 1: Chardier sounds like, yeah, like a fucking parody of Cardier
Speaker 1: but with charding or something like.
Speaker 3: So, Shelley is everyone. Shelley is Chris Anderson. Shelley is Paris,
Speaker 3: Shelley is Tom, she is everybody she has.
Speaker 2: She's the one that had a Chris Anderson account, followed
Speaker 2: her texted Paris with the number, and investigators still don't
Speaker 2: know how she got Chris Anderson's phone number, Like the
Speaker 2: police has still not been able to figure it out. WHOA.
Speaker 2: So all of their communication, like on SVU, is going
Speaker 2: through this third party. They were never texting each other ever,
Speaker 2: so it is so wild. And Shelley also pretended to
Speaker 2: be Paris's mother who threatened Chris and asked for money,
Speaker 2: and Chris's lawyer actually gave her money and thought it
Speaker 2: would be over and then the photos went up and
Speaker 2: all this happened anyways, so she is also now on
Speaker 2: the hook for extorting, blackmailing like everything. And obviously she's
Speaker 2: a really good catfisher, Like this isn't her only con,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Right, So we'll learn a
Speaker 2: lot about Shelley, but she is pretty diabolical. She's had
Speaker 2: over eleven victims over three years. She's impersonated a YouTube comedian,
Speaker 2: a playboy playmate, and Brody.
Speaker 3: Jenner, which is funny. She's very good at this.
Speaker 2: Wow. So obviously the Catfishing Show, the two men they go,
Speaker 2: they go to fucking Easterville. So we're gonna meet Shelley
Speaker 2: since this happened in Cannaba and Cannibal. Since this happened
Speaker 2: in Canada, we meet some Canadian police officers. And so
Speaker 2: this guy is named Constable Gord Olsen and he's the
Speaker 2: main Canada cop. That's he's the main dude on all
Speaker 2: this investigating. And he said that Shelley has no remorse
Speaker 2: and that Chris should thank her for bringing a hottie
Speaker 2: to him and like that they should both be thanking
Speaker 2: her kind of in a way of like setting them up.
Speaker 3: So this is the best.
Speaker 2: So Chris Anderson does not do any interviews or talk
Speaker 2: about this period in his life at all, like there
Speaker 2: was very He does not participate in any of this.
Speaker 2: So the Catfish Show went to the Scholar Brothers as
Speaker 2: sports experts on Chris Anderson, which is.
Speaker 3: Like like Randy and Jason Sklar.
Speaker 2: Yes, so they go to the Twin comedians for their
Speaker 2: sports professional friends with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if I'm friends. I've done that,
Speaker 3: I've met them.
Speaker 1: I was just in a comedy's inenter show married to Randy.
Speaker 1: We were married to each other.
Speaker 3: Are you kidding? Yeah? I know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, incorporate. I knew you were in corporate. I
Speaker 2: thought it was a show called Randy's Brother And I'm like, wait,
Speaker 2: what no, no, no, Nory and I are a married
Speaker 2: corporate You weren't. Everyone Kara was in corporate.
Speaker 3: So five seconds, everybody check it out. I have a
Speaker 3: couple of lines.
Speaker 2: So the scholar brothers are here and they're giving like
Speaker 2: their take on everything that's neither here nor there. But
Speaker 2: it's just kind of funny to me. So anyways, the
Speaker 2: two guys, they fly to Canada and they're eating sushi
Speaker 2: on the plane and it's like, come on, guys, Okay. Anyways,
Speaker 2: So another added thing about Shelley is she also pretended
Speaker 2: to be Tom with a woman in Texas and they
Speaker 2: were in a relationship for years.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: So when the constable like told the Texas woman, she
Speaker 2: was like fully heartbroken.
Speaker 3: She was like in distress.
Speaker 2: She couldn't believe that this guy that she'd been dating
Speaker 2: for years was actually Shelley Charte, So.
Speaker 1: Like tail as old as time. You're not dating somebody
Speaker 1: for years whose face you've never seen in person?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no for sure.
Speaker 1: But I mean you've never even facetimed, like you've never
Speaker 1: it's just not a skype in sight.
Speaker 3: As Lisa said, it's crazy, it is. But I don't
Speaker 3: know if we're facetimes as popular. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I was tricked once into having a job where I
Speaker 2: sold things out of a van for a day and
Speaker 2: I hated it, and it was supposed to be a
Speaker 2: marketing position, Like we don't know what we're going to
Speaker 2: be tricked into sometimes.
Speaker 1: But you showed up there was a van, Like I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, we have to have some tangible things there,
Speaker 1: Like you can't have a multiple year relationship with somebody
Speaker 1: who was she ever speaking to them on the phone? No,
Speaker 1: And she was using a voice changer, Like how was that?
Speaker 3: You know? No phone calls for two years? That's crazy.
Speaker 3: Do you not watch Catfish?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: I don't watch the movie.
Speaker 2: I saw the movie in the theater, and you know,
Speaker 2: I was talking to some friends about this case because
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with it and it's also usually the victim
Speaker 2: or the catfishers do live lives like in the show Intent.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like sad in the middle of nowhere else.
Speaker 3: So we're gonna get to know Shelley. I will let
Speaker 3: you know that.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just give you the sentence right up. There's
Speaker 2: just so much info that's not like I need to
Speaker 2: save this to the end. Shelley was sentenced to eighteen
Speaker 2: months in prison. So she did go to jail. And
Speaker 2: the town that she lives in is so small that
Speaker 2: the community center turns into a courthouse once a month
Speaker 2: and that's where court happens. There's not even a court
Speaker 2: in this town. It is so fucking tiny. But Colorado
Speaker 2: still wants to extradite her. There's an active arrest warrant,
Speaker 2: and if she is extradited and back in the US,
Speaker 2: she is up for twenty four to forty.
Speaker 1: Eight years in jail. Now for what what's the charge?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I bet it's like the child pornography show. Yes, I
Speaker 2: think it's the blackmail, the extraditing. Like, I'm not really
Speaker 2: sure what's up?
Speaker 3: Got it?
Speaker 1: Got it?
Speaker 3: So that's like what ended up happening to her. So
Speaker 3: the Catfish guys they go to meet her after she's
Speaker 3: out of prison.
Speaker 2: And this fact is the most upsetting to me personally,
Speaker 2: is this bitch is married, okay to a hot guy,
Speaker 2: and I am just like, how am I so desperate
Speaker 2: for love? And this woman, I would like to say,
Speaker 2: Shelley did not leave her house for eleven years. She
Speaker 2: is a full blown hermit. She never went to the dentist.
Speaker 2: Her teeth are rotting out. I'm sorry. I know people
Speaker 2: are poor and it sucks to be poor, but like,
Speaker 2: I am just upset that she has a spouse and
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: But she met her husband through xbox.
Speaker 1: They like.
Speaker 2: The guy was like, damn, this girl's amazing. She keeps
Speaker 2: beating me at xbox. And so because she was so
Speaker 2: good at call of duty, he flew to this tiny
Speaker 2: town and moved in with her and married her in
Speaker 2: the kitchen and they've been they're still together.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, this story God.
Speaker 2: And like true to the episode intent, she takes care
Speaker 2: of her mother. Her mother has been bedridden since giving
Speaker 2: birth to Shelley, and Shelley is the number one caregiver
Speaker 2: of her mother. And what was very interesting to me
Speaker 2: is when these guys and Deborah Roberts, Like all these
Speaker 2: people show up to this house. The mom cannot be bothered,
Speaker 2: like she's still on her iPad scrolling, will not like
Speaker 2: if it Like they all act like they don't care,
Speaker 2: but I know their lives are boring and they should
Speaker 2: be excited. But it is really weird, Like the mom
Speaker 2: just won't stop.
Speaker 3: Swiping the whole time, like playing games as these people
Speaker 3: are in her house, like it it is all very wild,
Speaker 3: but the mom is legit bedridden to the point where
Speaker 3: like she was brought in on a stretcher to the court,
Speaker 3: and so it is like most catfishing situation.
Speaker 2: I think it's like people with pretty sad lives, insular,
Speaker 2: not a lot to do, and like, yeah, didn't leave
Speaker 2: the house for eleven years and I met a hot
Speaker 2: love of her life and his family was like, don't
Speaker 2: do this, and he went anyways, and then she had
Speaker 2: to serve jail time. But she did say jail was
Speaker 2: great for her because she didn't have any phone or
Speaker 2: internet and actually forced her to make friends.
Speaker 3: And so jail was actually a great time in.
Speaker 2: Shelley's life where she learned how to communicate with others
Speaker 2: and stay off the internet.
Speaker 3: So they do meet her and they're like, how are
Speaker 3: you and she's like, I'm tired, Like she just doesn't care.
Speaker 3: There's a film crew from MTV there. It is very,
Speaker 3: very strange. Her side of the story, she was on Facebook.
Speaker 2: She saw Chris's status on Facebook about winning a game,
Speaker 2: saw Paris's comment, and that's how she decided to get
Speaker 2: involved in all of this and started texting them. She
Speaker 2: says that the woman in Texas is actually the one
Speaker 2: that told her to do this, so she is a liar,
Speaker 2: Like we can't really trust anything, she says. She says
Speaker 2: that she just started casually texting in that Paris was
Speaker 2: like nude, nude, nude, here's my nude, which I could
Speaker 2: believe too, but she yeah. She says that the woman
Speaker 2: in Texas told her to do all of this, and
Speaker 2: that she denies that she ever pretended to be Tom, Like,
Speaker 2: she denies ever playing games with this Texas woman, and
Speaker 2: it's like the facts are in the hard drive, baby,
Speaker 2: Like I'm sorry, you can't really lie your way out
Speaker 2: of this.
Speaker 3: Well, that's kind of like what happened in the episode.
Speaker 1: She felt bad.
Speaker 3: She never meant to hurt Andy, but she didn't give
Speaker 3: a shit about the girl.
Speaker 2: She's also saying that the Texas Woman is the one
Speaker 2: that manipulated to get money from the lawyer, and that
Speaker 2: she's doing the blackmailing.
Speaker 1: I mean, she is just literally escape voting this Texas
Speaker 1: lady who she's been screwing over for years.
Speaker 2: And they also, the caffish guys are kind of pressing her,
Speaker 2: and they said, I mean, if you're telling the truth
Speaker 2: about all this and the Texas Woman, you're charged with
Speaker 2: things you shouldn't be charged with.
Speaker 3: So what's going on here.
Speaker 2: She also did plead guilty because they promised her house arrest,
Speaker 2: but then they sent her to jail.
Speaker 3: Anyways.
Speaker 2: She also said she was pregnant at the time and
Speaker 2: was gonna fight in the trial, but because she was pregnant,
Speaker 2: she didn't want to, and then she had a miscarriage
Speaker 2: and then went to jail.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't, I can't.
Speaker 2: Really, it's hard to keep this side of it straight.
Speaker 2: Like I kind of believe the Constable and the authorities
Speaker 2: and paris a little bit more.
Speaker 3: Than what's going on here. So they asked what she
Speaker 3: wanted to do with her life.
Speaker 2: She said she wants to have kids with her husband
Speaker 2: and she said she's never gonna catfish again. Okay, so
Speaker 2: now where are they now and what's happened? So Birdman
Speaker 2: came back. He played on the Miami Heat and won
Speaker 2: a championship with Lebron James, and he got to meet
Speaker 2: President Barack Obama in twenty fourteen, Like you know, the
Speaker 2: championship team gets to go to the White House.
Speaker 3: So that was thrilling for him. And then he ended up.
Speaker 2: Playing on the Grizzlies and then on the Cavaliers as well,
Speaker 2: and then he joined this league.
Speaker 3: This is insane, Kara. There's a league called Big Three
Speaker 3: that is owned by ice Cube with retired NBA players
Speaker 3: that play three on three basketball. I think I've heard
Speaker 3: of this. I think I've weirdly heard of this.
Speaker 2: And so he won a championship there, but who cares.
Speaker 2: So he doesn't have an Instagram. There's not a lot
Speaker 2: of info on him. But he does have a long
Speaker 2: term fiance. They've been engaged for like five years. Her
Speaker 2: name is Tina. She's very beautiful.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I'm glad things worked out for him. It
Speaker 1: sounds like he was kind of a victim in all this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then Shelley.
Speaker 2: I can't really get any information about her post twenty seventeen,
Speaker 2: which is a good sign.
Speaker 3: That means she's staying off the internet. Maybe I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: The CBC, which is Canada, they did a documentary on her,
Speaker 2: but there's really nothing. Now I would like to go
Speaker 2: into Paris. Oh my god, so Paris done. I'm trying
Speaker 2: to find her on Instagram.
Speaker 3: I find her as Paris Dylan and she has five
Speaker 3: hundred and eighteen thousand followers. And I'm just scrolling through
Speaker 3: seeing what's up with Paris, mostly selfies, cute little selfies.
Speaker 3: And then I see a photover with Alex Trebek and
Speaker 3: another old man, and I'm trying to figure it out.
Speaker 3: The old man is Don McLean. Paris Done is dating
Speaker 3: Don McLean, the guy who sang American Pie. Yes he
Speaker 3: is seventy five years old. No, honey, no no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: no he is he. I mean he is very You know,
Speaker 3: it's like hard because you don't want to be judgmental,
Speaker 3: but I have a very I'm very judgmental about giant
Speaker 3: age gaps. I remember one time at a show there
Speaker 3: was like a fun couple and then the moment they
Speaker 3: told me how old everyone was. My face changed and
Speaker 3: I had no interest in talking to them. It is
Speaker 3: my bias. It is where I draw the line. I'm
Speaker 3: trying to work on this bias.
Speaker 1: Because how old is Paris now? She was seventeen and
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. She's twenty twenty five dating a seventy
Speaker 1: five year old.
Speaker 3: They've been dating for five years. He divorced his wife
Speaker 3: to be with her. Oh my gosh. She became like
Speaker 3: a playboy model. I mean her body is sick like.
Speaker 3: She looks fucking incredible, and we could tell that from
Speaker 3: a young age. She knew what she wanted, which is
Speaker 3: fucking famous people. I mean, I don't know what I
Speaker 3: wanted to fame.
Speaker 2: So she met Don McLean. She said she was a
Speaker 2: giant fan of his music. And then I went to
Speaker 2: Don's instagram.
Speaker 1: I went.
Speaker 3: I probably spent an hour and a half on both
Speaker 3: of their instagrams.
Speaker 2: The way they met is she started managing his social
Speaker 2: media account in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3: He's worth fifty million.
Speaker 2: Dollars and they she just would go on the road
Speaker 2: with him. There's photos of her with like Ed Sheeran
Speaker 2: and all these like famous people. Because everyone loves don
Speaker 2: McLean and now they just do tiktoks together and it's
Speaker 2: uncomfortable because, oh my god, so they're they're quarantining together
Speaker 2: and doing tiktoks.
Speaker 3: So that's that's why I didn't want you to look
Speaker 3: at the notes. I thought this would be just some
Speaker 3: Jadra did. I over over hype it. This is a
Speaker 3: crazy where are they now? And I yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: it's like this episode.
Speaker 1: When I was watching it on us fore, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this one's a little bit crazy, but it's not that crazy.
Speaker 3: It happened in real life.
Speaker 1: And what happened in real life was like a thousand
Speaker 1: times crazier.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, fuck, what a good one. It was wild.
Speaker 2: But I so everyone, please do not come for me
Speaker 2: for being so judgmental. But I don't like old men
Speaker 2: dating young girls. It annoys me, and I don't give
Speaker 2: a fuck.
Speaker 3: Honestly, you're you.
Speaker 1: You seem like a little bit focused on the physical.
Speaker 1: I'm like focus, I focus on like the conversations, like
Speaker 1: what are you guys talking about? Like I will sometimes
Speaker 1: meet someone who's ten years younger than me and be like,
Speaker 1: I don't even get what your whole thing is like,
Speaker 1: So I can't imagine somebody twenty five, forty five fifty
Speaker 1: years younger than me like having anything to talk about.
Speaker 1: I mean, seventy fifty years younger than me doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: But you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And I don't know Don McLean, so I can't speak
Speaker 3: for him in this.
Speaker 1: Way, but please don't speak for American by singer Don
Speaker 1: McLean Lisa.
Speaker 3: But you know what, Honestly, I hope I hope she
Speaker 3: gets that money she put it. They've been together five years.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, Well, I'm gonna have to just process a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff and then we're going to talk to
Speaker 1: our guests. I'm so excited for our next guest. She
Speaker 1: has been on my all time favorite show, Clause, She's
Speaker 1: been on Preacher. You can see her on Hulu's Castle
Speaker 1: Rock season two. All the way from New Orleans.
Speaker 3: It's Catfisher, Heather Parcel, herself, Tonay in Triago. Where are
Speaker 3: you right now?
Speaker 4: And I am in the humid land of New Orleans.
Speaker 3: That's what I was.
Speaker 1: We were reading about you that you split time, and
Speaker 1: we're both like, how exciting? Because I'm obsessed with New Orleans.
Speaker 1: I got engaged there. I love it there.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I'm wondering the casting is usually New York.
Speaker 2: Did you go to New York to audition or were
Speaker 2: they looking for people I other places I taped.
Speaker 5: I was we were visiting family in Florida at the time,
Speaker 5: because that's where we moved from before New Orleans, and
Speaker 5: so I just sent a tape and I booked like
Speaker 5: it's you know, it's a machine law and order, and
Speaker 5: so it's like I sent in a tape and then
Speaker 5: found out i've it like two days later, and then
Speaker 5: the next couple of days I had to be there,
Speaker 5: and I was there for two weeks or so.
Speaker 3: I can't believe you booked off a tape.
Speaker 1: That feels like a myth, Like that feels like you're like,
Speaker 1: that's like you told me you saw a unicorn.
Speaker 3: Like that's crazy.
Speaker 5: I've booked everything I've ever worked on off of tape. Wow,
Speaker 5: it's yeah, people, I feel like I'm an imposter.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so it was. It was. It was really cool.
Speaker 4: It was the one of the best gigs I've ever
Speaker 4: had ever, ever ever ever.
Speaker 3: Where did they film all the West Virginia stuff?
Speaker 5: We went upstate, Okay, up state yeah, yeah, yeah, cool cool,
Speaker 5: which was really fun.
Speaker 1: No, my husband is from West Virginia, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this has West Virginia tinges, but I don't think this
Speaker 1: is right right. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: It was upstate and I'd never been upstate before, so
Speaker 5: it was it was super pretty and yeah it's beautiful.
Speaker 4: Cold it was so cold.
Speaker 3: Oh but you guys were wearing summer gear, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: but why had I had that?
Speaker 5: Like I don't know if you guys remember the like
Speaker 5: seventies kind of jacket with like.
Speaker 4: The cloth collar.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I loved that jacket trying to make you look
Speaker 1: like a country girl, but it was actually like a
Speaker 1: cute jacket. Yeah right right.
Speaker 4: I was like I would wear this normally.
Speaker 5: But yeah, and our house was like on a cliff,
Speaker 5: like the house that Heather lived in was on a cliff,
Speaker 5: and it was cool.
Speaker 4: It felt backwoods, like froom.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, that's great. So had you been like
Speaker 3: a fan of SVU before you? Did you watch it?
Speaker 4: Had you guys will slaughter me?
Speaker 5: I had never seen an episode before I booked the
Speaker 5: shows that ended, and then it got me in and
Speaker 5: then it was like, oh, this is the funnest thing
Speaker 5: to watch that probably ever, it's so I don't know
Speaker 5: the way that it's it's so dramatized. I really just
Speaker 5: had fun watching the episode, which is weird because I
Speaker 5: usually hate the ship that I'm in, But.
Speaker 4: Like, it was so fun.
Speaker 3: Who was hotter, Steve Howie or Cariesy. We want to know,
Speaker 3: Oh my god, we want to know who was the highest.
Speaker 5: I think energetically, like Steve was just like Zaddy, you know,
Speaker 5: like as soon as he got in, he was like,
Speaker 5: oh man, and he's so humble and like a listener
Speaker 5: and like it's just like, oh he was so sweet.
Speaker 1: But I had the most fun with Raoul Oh okay,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, because you guys had some like courtroom tension.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: He is like the life of the party. He was
Speaker 5: so fun and we just sang lay mis in between days.
Speaker 1: Our listeners are gonna go nuts because they truly are
Speaker 1: all so horny for Barbara, Like we have no idea
Speaker 1: until we like posted a thing where we didn't include
Speaker 1: Barbara and they really were mad at him.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: This was like right before he left, I think like
Speaker 5: right before and so yeah, he was a doll. And
Speaker 5: then the guy who played my my defense attorney and Fleshler. Yeah, incredible.
Speaker 5: He's like one of my favorite character actors too. So
Speaker 5: when I met him, I was like, are you for real?
Speaker 5: Like but it was yeah, yes, Steve Howie's a babe.
Speaker 3: That's so funny. So Careesy did not do it for you, No,
Speaker 3: Peter Scaravino, sexy, No, he.
Speaker 4: She just talked about his children the old time, the
Speaker 4: whole time. Okay, So I was like, I've left my
Speaker 4: child for this.
Speaker 1: I don't want to, you.
Speaker 3: Know, take me away. Steve Howie. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 5: I mean he's so handsome though, like his eyes are
Speaker 5: piercing and like cut you through the core, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Who was describing him as like a Swedish prince or
Speaker 1: something like he just like looks like a Scandinavian like
Speaker 1: God Demid.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Wait so but we want to hear about because you know,
Speaker 1: the we we're not particularly into this, but a lot
Speaker 1: of people that listen to the pod cast are very
Speaker 1: into the Rollins and Cares real relationship, which has a
Speaker 1: big part in that episode. So we're wondering on the
Speaker 1: road trip obviously you guys didn't drive six hours, but
Speaker 1: right road trip scenes, could you feel the tension.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: It was so fun to just hear them because you know,
Speaker 5: my characters like asleep, yeah, or like daydreaming out. You know,
Speaker 5: she's just like thinking that she's going to meet her
Speaker 5: the man that she worships.
Speaker 4: So it was really fun.
Speaker 5: There's It's funny because in cut, you know, when we're
Speaker 5: just waiting for the next scene and we were we
Speaker 5: drove for a while. I remember being in that car
Speaker 5: for a couple hours. Oh wow, just like because of
Speaker 5: like resetting and you know all that. But they yeah,
Speaker 5: you could cut the tension with a knife for sure.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: At one point I was sitting there and I was like,
Speaker 4: am I horny?
Speaker 3: Like I don't know, is this you know?
Speaker 5: But they were, yeah, and they play. They just love
Speaker 5: to play with each other, like they just fuck with
Speaker 5: each other. We want to take on purpose, you know.
Speaker 5: It's it was super fun. And then and cut, they're
Speaker 5: like turning back on me and they're asking me about
Speaker 5: my life and they were really eager to like learn.
Speaker 4: Because I was from New Orleans and yeah, all of that.
Speaker 5: But on my end, I'm like, wait, no, tell me
Speaker 5: about what you guys going on, because I you know,
Speaker 5: I'd never seen the show. I didn't know that anything
Speaker 5: was building for them, and so whenever I'm noticing this,
Speaker 5: I'm like, they like, what a fuck?
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's what most of the listeners think too,
Speaker 1: but it still hasn't happened in season twenty two.
Speaker 4: I know, I know it's crazy. They're really they're really
Speaker 4: drawing it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're doing They're turning them into a bit of
Speaker 1: a gym and a pam.
Speaker 2: Are there other fun on set stories or moments that
Speaker 2: you remember.
Speaker 5: I really had fun with the director, like a lot.
Speaker 5: His name is Adam Bernstein. He directed the episode, and
Speaker 5: my favorite part of shooting was the courtroom scene because
Speaker 5: everyone was fucking with me, even Raoul, bringing me back
Speaker 5: to saying poop bag like a million times, like, and
Speaker 5: you know, she's super upset in that moment, like and
Speaker 5: I have to change mama's poop bag.
Speaker 4: She deserves what she got. They would cut right before
Speaker 4: I had to.
Speaker 5: Say she deserves so I'd be like, and I have
Speaker 5: to change mama's poop bag, and then they'd cut and Adam.
Speaker 4: Would be like, all right, we're going to restart from
Speaker 4: poop bag.
Speaker 3: Let's let's you know, it.
Speaker 4: Is a running joke with all of my friends, like
Speaker 4: at any.
Speaker 3: Time, so funny.
Speaker 2: Well, because I had seen the episode a few times
Speaker 2: and then once we were dming on Instagram, you mentioned
Speaker 2: how often you said poop bag. When I watched it again,
Speaker 2: I could not stop laughing.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, you can't not hear it, because it's
Speaker 5: like in the courtroom scene and then even in the
Speaker 5: scene when they come to her house, right because the
Speaker 5: mom June's like, well, who's going to.
Speaker 4: Change my mom?
Speaker 5: Boom man, you know, and it's just like that was
Speaker 5: really important to say a lot in that episode.
Speaker 4: The writers were like, we're going to put this in here.
Speaker 1: You know, Well that was just such like the poop
Speaker 1: bag is really symbolic of your life and how bad
Speaker 1: it is, and because it is, yeah, because we're supposed
Speaker 1: to really really sympathize with you and be like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, she didn't mean for this to happen. And
Speaker 1: then that turn at the end where you like you
Speaker 1: kind of did mean for it to happen, And yeah,
Speaker 1: we were wondering, like, how'd you squeeze out that solitary
Speaker 1: tear when you were on the stand, How was that?
Speaker 4: I'm a trained professional.
Speaker 3: Is how that happened?
Speaker 5: No, honestly, I don't know, because I was it was
Speaker 5: so funny. We were cracking up, That's.
Speaker 3: What I was like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like in between takes, it's like poop bag poop
Speaker 1: bag tear, Like I don't know, it's like hard to
Speaker 1: you're making a show.
Speaker 5: I think the poop bag gods were looking at upon
Speaker 5: me and just really blessing me in that moment to
Speaker 5: release one singular tear.
Speaker 4: But I don't know how it happened. I honestly, I
Speaker 4: think I just kept.
Speaker 5: My eyes open really long time, like just like I'm
Speaker 5: just going to dry him out because this is impossible.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Oh it's so good.
Speaker 5: It is a singular tier and the moment it feels
Speaker 5: like you're crying so much, but like it was just one.
Speaker 3: It just was kind of cool about it though.
Speaker 1: It's like restrained. You know.
Speaker 2: Another moment I loved with your characters when the cops
Speaker 2: did come, you had you were like okay, yeah, let's
Speaker 2: goet like you weren't scared.
Speaker 3: I believe she wanted out.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, you wanted to shake everybody's hand. You
Speaker 1: were like, hey, cool, NYPD ive seen this on TV
Speaker 1: like you were like it was really good.
Speaker 5: I remember I did that on like I did that
Speaker 5: on the fly, like to approach them, and afterward, I
Speaker 5: think it was Kelly. She was like, were you supposed
Speaker 5: to shake our hand? And I was like, I don't know,
Speaker 5: I just felt inclined. And then the director came and
Speaker 5: was like that was weird.
Speaker 4: We're keeping it, you know. But yeah, she was like
Speaker 4: ready to party, go on a road trip, movie star.
Speaker 3: Live her Marytyler more Fantasy. Yes, I know it's so sad.
Speaker 1: No, but you did do a really great job, like
Speaker 1: turning at the end where all the frustration of your
Speaker 1: life comes out in the courtroom, and then you probably
Speaker 1: stopped and did uh you know Cosette solo with Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: I was just on my like in.
Speaker 4: Between, you know.
Speaker 2: And well, the other thing that was said allow was
Speaker 2: blue Glacier, and I'm like, no woman's shampoo would ever
Speaker 2: be called blue glacier.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah.
Speaker 5: I was like, this girl uses like, I don't know,
Speaker 5: pulp riot or something like blue glacier.
Speaker 1: I said, thoughts sounded like a later axe body spray
Speaker 1: or yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know where that came from. And I'm
Speaker 5: I'm disappointed. I wasn't curious in the moment.
Speaker 2: I do need everyone to know that's listening that Kara,
Speaker 2: are you playing with a Google eye this whole time?
Speaker 1: Is sorry? This is my daughter googly.
Speaker 3: I okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I've just been playing with it.
Speaker 3: Least I held it in for a long time, but
Speaker 3: I I, oh my god, I was just playing with it. Sorry.
Speaker 3: So that was amazing. What a fun girl. I want
Speaker 3: to like go down to New Orleans and her me
Speaker 3: and by ourselves.
Speaker 2: I want to go and I want to eat those beignets.
Speaker 2: I just I love New Orleans is magical. It's to me,
Speaker 2: the only city that is perfectly rated. It's not overrated
Speaker 2: at all. It's just like it is as great as
Speaker 2: people say. And I was there alone, dude, like walking
Speaker 2: the streets and I had fun, like.
Speaker 3: You just party and everybody's like you just talk to people.
Speaker 1: I love it there.
Speaker 3: I think it's so fun. Instruments music everywhere. Yeah, it's awesome.
Speaker 1: Listen, let's talk about let's get into our post mortem.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about what we learned from this episode.
Speaker 2: I mean, I do want to mention another to I'm
Speaker 2: so glad that she spelt the tension between Careesie and
Speaker 2: Rollins and wants to fuck Steve Howie.
Speaker 3: She is married, But I'm glad that she had all
Speaker 3: the sexy gossip just ready to share, and about Barbara,
Speaker 3: like you know, she knew what want and she gave
Speaker 3: it to us. Oh yeah, she gave you Barbara brigade. Enough.
Speaker 1: That's all Cohen and your spak gross I hate that praise. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's get into our post mort on, Lisa, what do
Speaker 1: we learn from today's episode? I mean, for me, it's like,
Speaker 1: if you are a celebrity and you're talking to another celebrity,
Speaker 1: just look for that blue check mark, baby, Like, why
Speaker 1: are you talking to somebody who has two hundred thousand
Speaker 1: followers but is not verified and giving out phone numbers?
Speaker 3: Just double check, do your due diligence, have a FaceTime.
Speaker 1: I don't know, figure something out.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also, even if someone tells you they have a rape fantasy,
Speaker 2: I would maybe triple check, or you just bounce into
Speaker 2: it with a stranger, I.
Speaker 3: Would just keep checking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, first of all, if you are going to
Speaker 1: do something like that, you always have to have a
Speaker 1: safe word, and you should check about that up top,
Speaker 1: Like safe word is still eagle right, like or whatever
Speaker 1: your safe word is going to be.
Speaker 3: I don't know what's a fun safe word anything, but yes,
Speaker 3: safe word. That's a great way to say it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you should always have a safe word ready prepped always.
Speaker 2: Don't I don't know. I don't like cauliflower ear, so
Speaker 2: don't like anyone.
Speaker 1: That has that.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Don't have sex with those ears.
Speaker 2: Also, like, well this is more for the real cry
Speaker 2: and catfish, But it's like talk to someone on the
Speaker 2: phone before you fly to meet them, like FaceTime, see
Speaker 2: their face, like you have to talk.
Speaker 1: I just yeah, you shocking firm identities, make sure the
Speaker 1: area code is right. Like it's just I can't believe
Speaker 1: catfish is a thing.
Speaker 2: And they have a new catfish podcast coming out, so
Speaker 2: it keeps happening. These people keep I just I don't
Speaker 2: understand how you're not facetiming in the years now. Yeah,
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one, even with the pandemic. Now it's
Speaker 2: even more like I FaceTime people. I would never have
Speaker 2: been facetiming. I would just be seeing them, I guess.
Speaker 1: And it's like I know that especially right now, like
Speaker 1: people feel isolated, people feel alone, but like just don't allow,
Speaker 1: don't like allow internet conversation to make you completely forget
Speaker 1: like all of your red flags and your instincts and
Speaker 1: like your rules about when you get to know a person,
Speaker 1: Like you can't be dating somebody for two years and
Speaker 1: never have seen their face, like at least over face time.
Speaker 3: Like it's just yeah, nuts, say.
Speaker 2: I'll leave your house, you know, take a walk around
Speaker 2: the block, take a walk, you can go out have
Speaker 2: some fun. Well, I was gonna say, don't just buy
Speaker 2: things that influencers put on the internet, but I do
Speaker 2: that all the time.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sorry, says a girl wearing at Jojo Seawall
Speaker 1: scrunchy right now, Oh, I buy.
Speaker 2: Everything I buy, Like, yeah, Hillary Roda put on Essay
Speaker 2: later and I'd say, i'man I bought Esta latter night, Sarah, I'm.
Speaker 1: Is never going to freaking hawk blue Glacier shampoo. Ladies,
Speaker 1: let's not buy blue Glacier shampoo. That's not something.
Speaker 3: It's not real. But if it was real, that's a
Speaker 3: man's thing. That sounds like a man thing. Don't buy
Speaker 3: a heteronormative No, I'm being heteronormative. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also, don't judge Instagram hose you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like everyone's allowed to make money being showing off their
Speaker 2: body if they want, and it doesn't mean like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, don't judge them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because now she's in a perfectly happy relationship with
Speaker 1: the singer of American Pie.
Speaker 2: Wait, what are you talking about, Don McLean? Oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: I thought I was imagining Jason Biggs.
Speaker 3: I'm young.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Lisa, you're not that much more than me.
Speaker 1: And I don't say the movie American Pie, I said
Speaker 1: the singer of American Pie.
Speaker 2: No, I even Don McLean. I had to google him
Speaker 2: multiple times. When I hear American Pie. I think of
Speaker 2: Jason Biggs and that movie before I think of the song.
Speaker 2: You don't think version, No, I think of the Madonna version. Honestly, Wow,
Speaker 2: you are very young.
Speaker 1: Well I need to let my youthful friend get off
Speaker 1: this podcast and go, I don't know, download the latest
Speaker 1: American Bye movie or something.
Speaker 2: And I think like someone that I thought was cool
Speaker 2: when I was younger, like shat on that song and
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, it sucks or something like that.
Speaker 3: No, it's not that great of a song. It's just
Speaker 3: kind of an American classic.
Speaker 1: I just thought you would know it.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: Actually, I had a great moment the day that we
Speaker 2: all found out Biden one. I was alone, so I
Speaker 2: drove to the Like Park and Evanston and there was
Speaker 2: a guy playing it on the keyboards over and over
Speaker 2: again as I walked to the dog, and it was nice.
Speaker 3: I take everything back, this is all a mess.
Speaker 1: It's your favorite song.
Speaker 3: Okay. I think we've beaten this episode with a dead horse.
Speaker 3: What's the saying. But we've beaten it with the dead
Speaker 3: We've learned all we can.
Speaker 1: All right, and now it is time for what What
Speaker 1: Sister peg do? Our weekly segment where we direct you
Speaker 1: towards an organization, a article, a book, something that helps
Speaker 1: flesh out a little bit more of the topic that
Speaker 1: we covered in today's episode. Today, we wanted to draw
Speaker 1: your attention to the National Cybersecurity Alliance. They have an
Speaker 1: article up there called five Easy Ways to Protect Yourself Online.
Speaker 1: We'll link to it in our show notes as usual,
Speaker 1: but their website is staysafeonline dot org.
Speaker 3: Just don't get catfish, guys.
Speaker 1: I think that's what generally their messages and how to
Speaker 1: just you know, if you're in a long term relationship
Speaker 1: with someone you've never spoken to or seen. That's a
Speaker 1: red flag.
Speaker 3: So stay safe.
Speaker 2: And next week is for twenty Hello Taco Bell, I'm
Speaker 2: coming for you and we will be covering choreographed season eight,
Speaker 2: episode nine.
Speaker 3: It's going to be chill and fun. And I don't
Speaker 3: know what's another hippie com stoned me. I'm pregnant. I
Speaker 3: won't be stoned.
Speaker 1: Okay.
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