1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: The cheerleaders at a gym in Buffalo have been recording 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: themselves to make a new documentary where the news reporters 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: because one year ago a mass shooting changed their lives. 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: He just walked around shot all the black people. The 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: cheer squad, most of whom are black, had to figure 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: out how to go on and how to compete. I 7 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: wanted to win for them more than anything this season. 8 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: Listen to the embedded podcast from NPR within the iHeartRadio app, 9 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Carol Fisher and 10 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: I'm hosting a podcast called The Girlfriends. It's Las Vegas, 11 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: it's the nineteen nineties, and it is time to find 12 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: a husband. There were four Jewish doctors who were felt 13 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: to be eligible bachelors. One of them was of the 14 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: Baron bat On paper he was perfect, but in reality, 15 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: this guy's a wacko. He shouted to the point went unconscious. 16 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: I would call him and I would say, I know 17 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: you killed my sister. You can listen to The girl 18 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: Friends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you 19 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 1: get your podcasts. This is the story of a man 20 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: who's fascinated me. His name was Sweet Daddy Grace, and 21 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: that's a name you don't forget. He was a visionary 22 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: who built a fortune as a black man during Jim 23 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: Crow during the Depression, but today not many people know 24 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: about him. The race sort of wiped out, and I 25 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: wonder if this was done intentionally. Listen to Sweet Daddy 26 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: Grace on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you 27 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: get your podcasts from iHeart Podcasts and Nomadic Engine, the 28 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: acclaimed dramatic thriller returns after Shock season two. He's like 29 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: a ghost. We had an agreement to keep each other's secret. 30 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: None of you were making decisions to keep the rest 31 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: of us safe, which leaves me I'm asking for your forgiveness. 32 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: After Shock season two, starring Sarahween, Kelly's David Harbor and 33 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Dean Morgan. Listened to Aftershock on the iHeartRadio app, 34 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. It was 35 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: perhaps the first time George White to the fourth heard 36 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: his mother's voice in the four years since the family 37 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: was arrested. And you think that my funded yes, how 38 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: you editively? No? I want the truth from you, Okay, 39 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: did something happen? You can see her attempting to fool 40 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: you know, everyone involved in this. Let's face it, We've 41 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: got eight dead bodies, four separate locations. How in the 42 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:54,239 Speaker 1: world do you think that you can escape that this 43 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: is the Pike and massacre. Returned to Pike County season four, 44 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: episode four teen, the matriarch speaks. It's important to note 45 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: that George Wagner the fourth has pleaded not guilty and 46 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: has maintained he did not kill anyone. His father, Billy Wagner, 47 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: whose trial is upcoming, has also pleaded not guilty to 48 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: all charges. In the previous episode, we heard about how 49 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: law enforcement came to view the Wagners as suspects and 50 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: the murders of the Rodin, Manly and Gilly families. Before 51 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 1: it was suspicion and things weren't adding up. Lead investigator 52 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: Ryan Schierer says that changed about a year after the 53 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: homicides when BCI agents matched spent shell casings at the 54 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: Wagner's home in Peebles. Based on that, ballistics evidence agents 55 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: used search warrants to take deep dives into mobile devices 56 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: used by George Wagner, who's on trial for murder his 57 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: brother Jake, and their parents Billy and Angela Wagner. After 58 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: originally preparing to intercept the Wagners in North Dakota, investigators 59 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: had to scramble to intercept the family at another Canadian 60 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: border entry point. The Wagners were house hunting in Alaska. 61 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: As they returned, agents intercepted them at the Canadian border 62 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: a year after the murders. Now Wagner is accused of 63 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: helping kill eight members of the Rodent and Gillie families. 64 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: Investigators detained the Wagners and placed each member of the 65 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: family in a separate room. At this time, I believe 66 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: you indicated that you were going to interview them as 67 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 1: suspects instead of your prior contacts with them. Correct The 68 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: gigs help They knew we were looking at them. While 69 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: the Wagners were in custody, agencies to laptop and an 70 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: iPad from their vehicle. Law enforcement also placed listening devices 71 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: in the Wagner's SUV and bug their phones. Upon cross examination, 72 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: John Parker from the defense brings up the quality of 73 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: the audio obtained from the bug the agents placed in 74 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: the Wagner's vehicle. There's really nothing useful that came from 75 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: those listening devices on the vehicles at Paris. I did 76 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: not work as well as we hoped. Correct, right, There 77 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: was nothing useful data correct, The quality of the audio 78 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 1: was less than desirable. There was nothing useful game correct. 79 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: Here's James Pilcher, longtime investigative reporter in Cincinnati, now with 80 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: Local twelve. And as it turns out, that was kind 81 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: of a snap foo too because the road noise drowned 82 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: out anything they could hear. They really didn't get really 83 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: much of anything out of that except you know, when 84 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: everybody came out. They came out one at a time 85 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: and they sat there and they didn't talk about anything. Normally, 86 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 1: if you're innocent and you're pulled over and all of 87 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: a sudden you get out of a four out or interview, 88 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: you're going to be asking your family members what the 89 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: heck is going on. None of that. Nothing was hurt 90 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: like that on those recordings. Because of the rush to 91 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: set up in Montana as opposed to North Dakota, agents 92 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: weren't able to videotape the interviews since the bug in 93 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: the vehicle did not pick up usable audio. The audio 94 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: recordings of the interviews at the Canadian border, where all 95 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: the investigators had you interviewed Jake. Is that correct, Yes, 96 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: myself and special agent Maltered. Okay, and do you recall 97 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: how long that interview loves, approximately four to six hours. 98 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: Maybe it's a long yes, And Judge, we would ask 99 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: that we'd be allowed to play Jay Zone to At 100 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: this point, the prosecution of Jack's and Judge Dering instructs 101 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: the jury to leave the room for a fifteen minute recess. 102 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: Judge Jarring asked for the prosecution and defense to present 103 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: their arguments on whether Jake's taped interviews should be played 104 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: for the court. Just the plane reading of evidence, Rule 105 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: eight O one says that the co conspiracydent is attributed 106 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: to the defendant. There's a lot of talk of rule 107 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 1: eight to one, but the gist of it is that 108 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: the defense cannot introduces evidence another co conspirator's testimony during 109 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: cross only the state is allowed to do that. That's 110 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: the whole nature of the co conspiracy. So they all 111 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 1: denied it, right, that was part of the conspiracy. So 112 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: he does not get to put it now. Given when 113 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: Jay testifies, he certainly can use this to cross examine 114 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: him as a hiring consistent statement. At that point, John 115 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: Parker argues that Jake's testimony is part of the defense's 116 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: constitutional right to present a complete defense. The costory of 117 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: shape is covered in ups. We shouldn't have to we 118 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: if they call, which it comes into this officer in 119 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: pro When it's time to make a ruling, Judge Steering 120 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: decides he needs to hear more argument. I'm not going 121 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: to decide ultimately today whether we're going to be able 122 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: to play that tape in the defense side of the case. 123 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: Outside that tomorrow morning, after I've heard arguments here, you 124 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: should be ready about eight forty five to go on 125 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: record and argue that issue, and then I'll make that decis. 126 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: They let the jury back into the courtroom and Judge 127 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: Steering addresses the court. Lady and gentlemen the court. We're 128 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: going to have an early day close today. The court 129 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: has some things to do that do not involve the 130 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: jury during closes the day early to give the defense 131 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: and prosecution time to prepare for tomorrow's hearing. Here again, 132 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,239 Speaker 1: James Pilcher. So I pretty much shut down the trial 133 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: for the afternoon, and actually the judge held it under 134 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: advise me and said I'll rule on it tomorrow. So 135 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: we're all on pins and needles the next day as 136 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: to whether or not we're gonna have to sit through 137 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: six hours of listening to Ryan and Jake talk to 138 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: each other. News media reports the latest development in the 139 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,959 Speaker 1: trial the defense trying to play Jake Wagner's first interrogation 140 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: tape today, but the prosecution said, wait, you can't do that. 141 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: We have to enter that as evidence first, And the 142 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: judge said, show up here tomorrow morning and prepare to 143 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,079 Speaker 1: argue about it and he'll make a decision then. So 144 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: that brings us to tomorrow. Will jurors here Jake Wagner's 145 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 1: five hour interrogation tape, Will they hear Angela Wagner's two 146 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: hour interrogation tape? And how will George the man on 147 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: trial come up in those tapes? But the next morning, 148 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: it's not Jake's interview that makes news. George Wagner the 149 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: Fourth providing an explosive audio recording of his mom, Angela's 150 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: interrogation by BCI agents. It was perhaps the first time 151 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: George whiten To the fourth heard his mother's voice in 152 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: the four years since the family was arrested. Before the 153 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: jury has brought in judge during Here's arguments about whether 154 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: to allow in the audio recording of Jake's interview from 155 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: when the Wagners were intercepted at the Canadian border. Prosecutor 156 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: Angie Kaneppa lays out her reasons for the objection. Jay 157 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: made a complete denial. There was nothing that was taken 158 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: from that interview by especially that informed next investigative steps. 159 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: So I guess really one question would be for what 160 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: purposes this being requested to be? Here's John Parker with 161 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: the defense, because Jay has angel epispiracy. They are prospirators, 162 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: all right, series and even though the crime I didn't 163 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: even get it done, this recording will reflect Jayce backards 164 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: to cover us. Finally, Judge Darring makes a ruling, well, 165 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: I think I understand the arguments evolved, but I'm going 166 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: to deny the request of defense to play the tape 167 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 1: at this time. Here again, James Pilcher. One of the 168 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: interesting things about this day was the prosecution specifically chooses 169 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: not to play the tape of the recording they made 170 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: with George, and there were some questions, Okay, why aren't 171 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: they playing this to show what he was saying at 172 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: the time. As for the strategy of this, we think 173 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: possibly they're not playing it. So if and when George 174 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,599 Speaker 1: decides to take the stand, he can't tailor his testimony 175 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: to what he said at the border. And it's actually 176 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: part of this argument about Jake as well, Jake's recording, 177 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: and they say no, that allows him to testify on 178 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: his own behalf without taking the sand. So that's where 179 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: that argument comes up, and it turns into another legal 180 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: battle and it's won. The prosecution wins with Jake's interview 181 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: ruled as inadmissible. At this point in the trial, the 182 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: prosecution calls up their next witness. He's raisu're right, an, 183 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: can you solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony you're 184 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: about to give show me the truth, the whole truths? 185 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: I nothing about the truths as you shall answer and 186 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: to God. BCI Agent Jennifer Comasford has six years experience 187 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: with the Special Investigations Unit in Ohio BCI. She wears 188 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: a polka dot shirt and a blazer with straight brown 189 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: hair that falls to her shoulders. She has relaxed on 190 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: the stand. Agent Commasford was one of the agents present 191 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: for the searches of the Wagner's farm and trailers. She 192 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: was also on the team of agents that to view 193 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: the Wagner's at the Canadian border. You treated it like 194 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 1: a custodio interview. Tell us what that means. We treated 195 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: it as a custido interview and that we mirandized Angela 196 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: Wagner because we treat it as though she was in custody, 197 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: not free to leave, and that she was being interrogated. 198 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: So we read her her miranda rights. You're on her 199 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: this time. I would request to play the recording of 200 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: Special Agent Comsford's interview with Angela Wagner at the Montana border. 201 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: The prosecution cues up the tape of Angela's interview and 202 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: begins playing it for the jury. The defendant, George Wagner, 203 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: stares down at his feet. But the reason why here 204 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: it was obviously okay, with all that, all that, nobody's 205 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: going down in Pute County, and that's the reason we 206 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,959 Speaker 1: came up here to get away from all that. Okay, okay, 207 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: tracing the media is all over itself. Have you been 208 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: following any of that? Of course, yes, you know, we 209 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: just want to get away from down there and talk 210 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: to out Sorry to stale own type family. I think 211 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: it would be best for everybody I have some personal 212 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 1: questions for you though the last Oh we love it 213 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: here again, James Pilcher. This recording of Angela is really significant. 214 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: First of all, the first time we heard her voice 215 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: in the courtroom. But second of all, it gives us 216 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: a sense of their state of mind as they're becoming 217 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: aware that they're being suspects, are being treated as suspects. 218 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: Agent Coomasford an agent Rick Ward ask about Angela Wagner's 219 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: relationship with the Rodent family. Relationship I had the rigs 220 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: was to Hannah. Hannah and my son Jake, we're together 221 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: for five years? Well yeah, okay, um did an I'm 222 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 1: getting married. Yes, he had a waiting planned, everything was 223 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: planned out for that August that she had everything organized, 224 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: everything ready, and I love that she wouldn't break And 225 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: she did break and s well it was hurt. Of course, 226 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: she was in love with his life. I mean, my 227 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: son doesn't take anything like like you know why you 228 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: want them? You know what I don't know. I know 229 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: that Hannah was really young when her Jake got together. 230 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: What's the difference between the two. Anna was thirteen, my 231 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: son was seventeen, sixteen and a halfs On investigators ask 232 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: Angela about her relationship with Hanname Rodin. So, your relationship 233 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: with with Hannah was good. I thought she was a 234 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: school brack. But I thought she was a school rap 235 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: because she really was. I mean, no, that's that she was. 236 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: Your dad let her getting away every im she would 237 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: give me looks and she would snarl, and she would 238 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: tell Jacob was being mean. And you know, but that's 239 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: typical teenagers, all typical. Sometimes mother was and ye. The 240 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: agents bring the conversation back to Jake's reaction to Hannah 241 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: Rodin dating other people. So when when Hannah gets pregnant 242 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: with the other thing, Yeah, how did number one with 243 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: the other boyfriend or boyfriends? And Jake? Well one, Jake, 244 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: they would talk to the other boyfriends. Never actually, Jake, 245 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: don't have you ever talked to Charlie Woods Whenever they 246 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: were determined who The paternity test showed that Charlie Gilly 247 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: and not Jake Wagner, was the father of Hannah's second baby. 248 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: The agents ask if Angela was upset about Hannah Ma 249 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: getting pregnant by another man who was not Jake, And 250 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: even she told me she had texted me when she 251 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: texted me about being pregnant. She was afraid I would 252 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: be upset. You're pregnant. I was upset though, I was 253 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: upset when she loved Jake. Yeah. Here's forensic medical examiner 254 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan. One striking things about this is they 255 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: begin to talk about the fact that Hannah had kind 256 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: of separated herself away from the rest of the family, 257 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: had gone out and gotten pregnant by another guy. And 258 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: I really wonder, you know, she says that that didn't 259 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: necessarily upset her. Does anybody actually believe that, you know, 260 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: because I think that it would have been Angela's desire 261 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: to continue to have controlled, you know, Hannah. You know, 262 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: because if you have control over Hannah, you have control 263 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: over the child that she had with Jake. BCI agent 264 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: record as Angela about Billy Wagner's relationship with Hannah man 265 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: rowdin with Hannah. Oh God, he loved that girl. He 266 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: caught her his breath, you know, even I mean, that's 267 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: why always hold Chris, I said, Chris, even if they 268 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: break up, She's still going to be my daughter. Sorry, 269 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: you're going to have to share. Here's Stephanie and Jeff. Well, 270 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: we know steph from interviewing close Wagner family friends, that 271 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: they were aware that they were kind of under the 272 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: lens of law enforcement, and that they were kind of 273 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: planning for potentially being interrogated or talked to. And so 274 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: when we hear these recordings, it's so interesting and fascinating. Me. 275 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think this is so off the conflict. 276 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 1: I think they had a little bit of a script 277 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: in their heads. You're right. But again, even if they 278 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: have a script and they have a plan, it's real 279 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: different when you're separated for the first time in being 280 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: asked and questioned by authorities. This is the moment. This, 281 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: by all accounts, is the moment where authorities collected the 282 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: most data that would be later used against them. We're 283 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: going to take a break. We'll be back in a moment. Oh. 284 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: I'm Carol Fisher and I'm hosting a podcast called The 285 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: girl Friends. Back in the nineteen nineties in Las Vegas, 286 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: a few of us dated the most eligible bachelor in town, Bob. 287 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: He spoke several languages, he did medical missionary work, and 288 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: he was Jewish. He was perfect on paper, but he wasn't. 289 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: He really wasn't. He shouted into the point she went unconscious, 290 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: Bob could lie about anything, but only takes the one 291 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 1: time when somebody ends up dead. Unfortunately for Bob, us 292 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: girlfriends know how to fight back. I wanted him to 293 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: pay for his crime. He needed to be put to justice. 294 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. If I saw him right now, 295 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: I'd spit on him. I would call him and I 296 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: would say, I know you killed my sister. I will 297 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: always hound you and haunt you. You can listen to 298 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: the Girlfriends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever 299 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. Hello, Hello, Malcolm Glabo here, host 300 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: of Revisionist History, a show about the overlooked and the 301 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: misunderstood stories you won't hear anywhere else. Like our ongoing 302 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: obsessive campaign to blow up the world's most focus college 303 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: ranking system. 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We're 309 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: making more revisionist history for you this year than ever, 310 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: from places all across this great country, emergency rooms, huge theaters, 311 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,239 Speaker 1: small towns, and shooting righteous and you want to put 312 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: your thumb up like the US Are you gonna pull 313 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: the trigger with this finger here? Okay? Listen to Revisionist 314 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: History on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts or wherever 315 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts from iHeart podcasts. Whitney Hill is 316 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: going on here. Everyone has their limits. I'd never confronted 317 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: a situation like this. 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Evil should be prosecuted. 328 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: When power corrupts, conscience is the last line of defense. 329 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: I'm Miles Taylor. Listen to the Whistleblowers on the iHeartRadio app, 330 00:20:51,320 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Names Laverne Cox. 331 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: I'm an actress, producer, fashionista, and host of The Laverne 332 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: Cox Show. You may remember my award winning first season. 333 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: I've been pretty busy. There's always time to touch incredible 334 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: guests about important things. People like me have been screaming 335 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: for years. We've got to watch the Supreme Court. What 336 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: they're doing is wrong, what they're doing is evil. They 337 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: will take things away. And I can only hope that 338 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: Dobbs is that like Pearl Harbor moment or you and 339 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: I both know what it took to just get through 340 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: the day in New York City and get home in 341 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: one piece. And so the fact that we're here and 342 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: what you've achieved and what I've achieved, you know, that's momentous. 343 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: It's not just sitting around complaining about some bills. The 344 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: only reason that you might think, as Chase said, that 345 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: we're always miserable is because people are constantly attacking us 346 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: and we're constantly noticing it. Listen to The Laverne Cox 347 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: Show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you 348 00:21:54,280 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: get your podcast be sure to subscribe and share. Agents 349 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: ask ev Angela was ever in Chris rod and Seniors 350 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 1: trailer Trailer Chris Chris one time one time? Oh my gosh, 351 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: I don't well listen limits four four years ago. I 352 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: don't like sitting on the couch and has this much 353 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 1: dog care one stuff. It's his dogs. Uh over great, 354 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 1: you know I mean but no, I don't like sitting dogs. 355 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: Dogs at least I mean friendly. You don't have to 356 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: worry about anything like that. No, you you have to. Okay, 357 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: let's be this way. Uh, if he's there, you're okay. Okay. 358 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: Chance his fit bull, big, love you dog, sweet as 359 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: he can bag, Okay, Jake. Jake's got to get several 360 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: times by chance, didn't off. She was not particularly a 361 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 1: fan of the Rodents. Sounds like I thought they were 362 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,479 Speaker 1: too messy, thought, you know, she never went over Christine 363 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: or she went over once for the Fourth of July 364 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: party and it was too smoky and there was too 365 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: much dog air everywhere. Agents then bring it back to 366 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: the murders. So when this occurs, what were your initial thoughts? 367 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: What was horrified? I had just been to my house 368 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: just days before the murders. Angela Wagner says that Hanname 369 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: Rodin came by to show her new baby to Jake 370 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: George and Angela, Okay, was everything cool? Yeah? She was 371 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,479 Speaker 1: making fun of Jake because he had tried to dye 372 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: his hair a little darker brown and it turned out 373 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: more black. And she was making fun of baby, you know, 374 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: about his hair and stuff, and that we were I mean, 375 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: everything was fine. Investigators bring the interview back to the 376 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: day after the murders. How did you first find out 377 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: the news, like in the morning or you know what, 378 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,719 Speaker 1: I don't know it was. It was the morning. How 379 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 1: an open watching the news? And were you guys together? Yeah, 380 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: Angela tells the agents she was with Billy at the 381 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: Peterson Road residence when she heard the news about the 382 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:25,959 Speaker 1: Rodents being murdered. What was Jake's response when crying when 383 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: he heard the new you guys all together? He was outsight. 384 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 1: Agents ask Angela why she thinks the trailers on her 385 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: farm were searched by authorities. Okay, this is the part 386 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 1: that we gave him everything they needed and then you know, 387 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,959 Speaker 1: we get halfway to the road and they're down are 388 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 1: searching the farm and then I'm sorry, what they get 389 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,479 Speaker 1: to our stuff and our framers is ridiculous. All they 390 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: had done saying, hey, we want to search. I'd opened 391 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: the door, you know, search. I don't love in the hip. 392 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: Angela Wagner is then asked if there was a written 393 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: cus see agreement between Jake and Annime Rodin. Now, was 394 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: there any type of living will or anything like if 395 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: something were to happen, And this is what we're you know, 396 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: you have no idea that someone want to show you 397 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,479 Speaker 1: here again, James Pilcher, We saw it in how they 398 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: circled around with Billy, and we saw the same kind 399 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: of approach. They obviously had the shoe print stuff. They 400 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: obviously had the receipt, they obviously had the shell casings. 401 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 1: It takes them two to three hours to get to 402 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: the point where they're presenting that in front of them. 403 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: The investigator pulls out a document and places it in 404 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: front of Angelo Agner. They are okay, hey, yeah, I remember, 405 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: you don't remember that. The document appears to be a 406 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: custody agreement, saying that in the event of Hannah May 407 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: Rodin's death, that custody of her daughter would go to 408 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: Jake Wagner. It appears to have Hannah's signature on the forum. 409 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: The detectives tell Angela they found it in her trailer. 410 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: This is what we're curious about them, and it was 411 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 1: do you know who that is? Your mom? So your 412 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: mom will arise us, but you didn't know about it. 413 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: I don't remember it. Okay, here again, Stephanie and Jeff. 414 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: This is unbelievable to be hearing for the first time. 415 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: She's speaking so casually, and she's talking so cavalierly about 416 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: her relationship with the road Ins and Billy's relationship with 417 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: Hannah May, and it all sounds kind of cozy. Yeah. 418 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 1: We covered in season one of the podcast when Angela 419 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: Wagner made that public Facebook post right after the murder's calling. 420 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: Hannah May wrote in a daughter to her hoping they 421 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: catch the monsters who did this, And this interview was 422 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: like that post on steroids. How do you not crack 423 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: under the pressure. My biggest takeaway from these recordings is 424 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: that the Wagner family, at least Angela in this instance, 425 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: really thought they could ounce our police. The document was 426 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: notarized by Angela's mother, Rita Newcome. The agents continue to 427 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: press Angela on the forged custody agreement that they found 428 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: in her trailer. But when just trying to figure out this, 429 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 1: this is really interesting to me. It printed out three 430 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: three weeks before the work and you said you yeah, ok, yeah, 431 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: they did have those documents and they were able to 432 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: clearly show hey, they're signed here, but they were clearly 433 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 1: printed out here on this day from this website. Blank, 434 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 1: How do you explain that there was printed out a 435 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,479 Speaker 1: week before the murders and yet they got a date 436 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 1: two years before? How do you how do you explain this? 437 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 1: So I can't remember I didn't do it. The agents 438 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 1: ask if Jake Billy or George Wagner could have done 439 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: the murders. So I'm asking you, maybe you think that 440 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 1: my son did it, or am I anybody and your family? 441 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: I'm asking you, I'm okay, can you tell me definitively yes? 442 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: I can. How you definitively know? Because one of my 443 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 1: son would knew that. I said he had nothing against 444 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: a can of handsome and even though him and Hannah 445 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: Brook it wasn't enough for that. Agents show Angela Wagner 446 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: photos of foot impressions made in blood founded the crime scene. 447 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: So what we have with time wise, they have a 448 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: database like we dods. Okay, And what we can do 449 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: is we can take any shoe tread in the world 450 00:28:55,680 --> 00:29:00,040 Speaker 1: and I identify the manufacturer in the size. Angela A. 451 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: Wagner is then showed a pair of shoes. I don't 452 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: ever remember buyous for any reason. Remember seeing those? I know? 453 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: I know, No, I don't seen. No, Dad have some 454 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: of them. But the agents then show Angela a receipt. 455 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: We have a receipt for those shoes purchased by you. Okay. 456 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: I did presare them. I got them, but I don't. 457 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: They are I don't mean shoes, so they wouldn't wear them. 458 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: But they wouldn't have used them, one of those because 459 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: I threw them away. But what them two weeks before? Yes, 460 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: I purchased them. That I am telling you. They didn't 461 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: like them. They wouldn't wear them. You know, they wanted 462 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: a pair of shoes. They always wear boots. Hook you do. 463 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: I bought them and they didn't. I don't know about that. 464 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: The agents show Angela out of her coming out of 465 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: Walmart the day she purchased the shoes. It was caught 466 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: on security cameras in the car. Did you go to 467 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: did you go with the kids? I mean you look 468 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: alone in that picture when you went to Walmart to 469 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,959 Speaker 1: buy that stuff back in April two thousand and sixteen. Okay, 470 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: you're alone, but I don't know that you're alone getting 471 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: back in the car. You're not. No, I was not 472 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: the one. Who are you with? Yeah? I know the 473 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: kids was given sleeping weird than what we would have 474 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: been in the car. Didn't even that. I think I 475 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: think they were all in the car that I can 476 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 1: remember that one. Okay, two weeks before the homicide, you 477 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: purchased two pairs of shoes which identically match bloody Foot 478 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: Prince in a crying scene. Okay, that's another court from 479 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: the shoe confirming to match the tread. The data is 480 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: the porn up with the shoe to verify the match. 481 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: This is a lab work from the casing agents. Present 482 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:12,479 Speaker 1: another lab report to Angelo Agner. I'm dentical match. There 483 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: were casings recovered from several of the crime scenes. Okay, okay, 484 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: various calibers. Yeah, okay, these identically match the show casings 485 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: in your grove away. Okay, I wanted twos from the 486 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: same god they killed. There's no way Angel exa identical match. 487 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: There's no way that they were. There's no way. We 488 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: have everyone in our ballistics lab, every expert, every fire 489 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: experts review and confirmed there is an identical match. You 490 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: do know we're not the only ones that shot guns. 491 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: Other has right, Yeah, they're all people down. Over the 492 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: times family've been know, there's been several people down angels 493 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: or a definitive match blueprint, And I was stand what 494 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: you're saying on that. It's a blueprint. When I fire. 495 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: When I fire my weather my issue gun and it 496 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: ejects around, okay, and then I use it somewhere else, 497 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: that's an identical matach James Pilcher. One thing that strikes 498 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: me in these interviews, in this tape with Angela is 499 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: how her demeanor changes the minute they show her the 500 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: stuff about the shoes, the bullets, the shell casings, all 501 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: of that. She han't an answer for it, but you 502 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 1: can almost see based on her voice change and everything else, 503 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: and how she starts to be hammering and pawing and 504 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: hemming and all of that the minute they present that, 505 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: how it her demeanor changes. She communally gets defenses sell 506 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: a huge, huge moment there. Joseph Scott Morgan. They've lived 507 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: in a bubble, it's very gets protected from everything else 508 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: from outside the world. Suddenly you know that bubble is 509 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: no longer existent. You understand that somebody has penetrated, and 510 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,479 Speaker 1: somebody's penetrated that you don't have any control over them, 511 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: and you've been able to control all these other people 512 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: within this environment, and maybe for the first time, fear 513 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: sets him. At that moment, you think you've got all 514 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: the basis covered. You know, you're running off the wal 515 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 1: Mart by shoes. You're just you're doing all this and 516 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: you're trying to work your logistical magic here, and suddenly 517 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: somebody's penetrated, and suddenly you realize there's actually somebody that's 518 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: smarter than you that's in the run. But I love 519 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: the truth from you. Okay, did something happen? No, I'm 520 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: I'm aware. I've not even had you say you're ten 521 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: minutes ago. You're definitively sure. I am. There's there's too 522 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: much definitive over all that we have casings that we use, 523 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: we have the same it will use it to pricy, 524 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: it will shot at your house. We have shoes. I 525 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 1: guess the bottom line is we have all this. You 526 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,800 Speaker 1: can understand how this appears yes, I see you, and 527 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 1: this is the if you're gonna have any chance to 528 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: talk with us about what happened, what knowledge you have 529 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 1: it's now Angelia, and not being a hundred percent, I 530 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,359 Speaker 1: can tell by the way you're talking. Okay, Well, I'm 531 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: just I'm gonna show I'm just gonna stop. Well, I 532 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: don't no, I'm just I'm just gonna stop right here 533 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 1: and do you I can give that turn. That's what 534 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do because I don't know. I'm just gonna 535 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: say no more. Agents stop the interview and the recording. 536 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: Here's James Pilcher, followed by Joseph Scott Morgan. I mean 537 00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: you could see it. Right as soon as they started 538 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 1: presenting her the heart evidence, she clammed up. She's like, 539 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: I need a lawyer. Suddenly, all of that planning that 540 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: she's done to purchasing the controlling of everybody, suddenly that's 541 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: becoming unraveled. She knows she at least has enough of 542 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,839 Speaker 1: a survival instinct about her at that point in time. 543 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: She knows that she needs to reach out for counsel, 544 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: and I mean quick, because the thing is spinning in 545 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,720 Speaker 1: a flat spin and it's it's gonna turn out poorly forward. 546 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:36,320 Speaker 1: Let's stop here for another break. Oh. I'm Carol Fisher, 547 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: and I'm hosting a podcast called The Girlfriends. Back in 548 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties in Las Vegas, a few of us 549 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 1: dated the most eligible bachelor in town, Bob. He spoke 550 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: several languages, he did medical missionary work, and he was Jewish. 551 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: He was perfect on paper, but he wasn't. He really wasn't, 552 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 1: to the point she went unconscious. Bob could lie about anything, 553 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: but only takes the one time when somebody ends up dead. 554 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: Unfortunately for Bob, us girlfriends know how to fight back. 555 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: I wanted him to pay for his crime. He needed 556 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 1: to be put to justice. I'll be honest with you. 557 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: If I saw him right now, I'd spit on him. 558 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: I would call him and I would say, I know 559 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: you killed my sister. I will always hound you and 560 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 1: haunt you. You can listen to The girl Friends on 561 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, Hello, 562 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,800 Speaker 1: Malcolm Gladwell here, host of Revisionist History, a show about 563 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,280 Speaker 1: the overlooked and the misunderstood stories you won't hear anywhere 564 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: else like our ongoing obsessive campaign to blow up the 565 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,479 Speaker 1: world's most focus college ranking system. Why not just throw 566 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 1: in a few extra zeros or witness me after years 567 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: of fancy public speaking learning that I kind of have 568 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: to start over. The tone that you had throughout the 569 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: debate was very similar to some of the students that 570 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: I do work with, and that's what I teach them 571 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: not to do. We're making more revisionist history for you 572 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: this year than ever from places all across this great 573 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 1: country emergency rooms, huge theaters, small towns, and shooting righteous 574 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 1: and you want to put your thumb up like us, 575 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: You're gonna pull the trigger with this finger here. Okay, 576 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: listen to revisionist history on the iHeart radio app, Apple 577 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts from iHeart podcasts. 578 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 1: Whitney Hill is going on in here. Everyone has their limits. 579 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 1: I'd never confronted a situation like this. I just thought 580 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: it was just a really terrible immoral thing. Aligne they 581 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 1: won't cross. I was stunned, and I just said, no, 582 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 1: we're killing people. You may never have to face that 583 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 1: decision when you find yourself at that line ricin and 584 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,399 Speaker 1: somebody needs to just for once, give everybody the whole 585 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: truth like this is evil and the only person who 586 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: can sound the alarm is you. I wasn't just going 587 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:14,240 Speaker 1: to sit silently. Buy from iHeart Podcasts. These are the whistleblowers. 588 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 1: If you are disloyal, things are going to happen to 589 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 1: speak out disgrace to our good. Evil po should be 590 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 1: prosecuted when power corrupts. Conscience is the last line of defense. 591 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: I'm Miles Taylor. Listen to the Whistleblowers on the iHeartRadio app, 592 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My name's 593 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 1: Laverne Cox. I'm an actress, producer, fashionista, and host of 594 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,439 Speaker 1: The Laverne Cox Show. You may remember my award winning 595 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 1: first season. I've been pretty busy. There's always time to 596 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 1: touch incredible guests about important things people like me have 597 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,919 Speaker 1: been screaming for years. We've got to watch the Supreme Court. 598 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,439 Speaker 1: What they're doing is wrong, what they're doing as evil. 599 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,359 Speaker 1: They will take things away. And I can only hope 600 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 1: that Dobbs is that like Pearl Harbor moment. Girl, you 601 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 1: and I both know what it took to just get 602 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,879 Speaker 1: through the day in New York City and get home 603 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,879 Speaker 1: in one piece. And so the fact that we're here, 604 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 1: and what you've achieved and what I've achieved, you know 605 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: that's momentous. It's not just sitting around complaining about some bills. 606 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,799 Speaker 1: The only reason that you might think, as Chase said, 607 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,240 Speaker 1: that we're always miserable, is because people are constantly attacking 608 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 1: us and we're constantly noticing it. Listen to the Laverne 609 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 1: Cox Show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever 610 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 1: you get your podcast. Be sure to subscribe and share. 611 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,760 Speaker 1: After hearing the interview with Angelo Wagner and its entirety, 612 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 1: John Parker with the Defense, gets up for cross examination. 613 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 1: He asks Agent Commasford about Angelo Wagner's home in Bethel Hill, 614 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,839 Speaker 1: where she lived with her family for a time. Were 615 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 1: you aware that she was involved as a fraudulent arsons 616 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:08,319 Speaker 1: among them? I recall some limited information about their being arson, 617 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,360 Speaker 1: he claims. Did you know that one of the houses 618 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: that burned down that she had built had a marijuana 619 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,319 Speaker 1: grow room in the basement in her direction? I don't 620 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 1: know that I was aware of that at buffal Hell, 621 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 1: Now all right, were you aware of her dog breeding 622 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 1: business that she fraudently represented the dogs with pure bread 623 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: when they were not you were not aware. No, I 624 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 1: was not aware of that. Now, and Angela told you 625 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 1: that Jake was devastated at the news of Hannah's death, Yes, 626 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 1: she did say that, and you later learned that Jake 627 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,359 Speaker 1: is actually one of the shot hand and killed her. 628 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:59,319 Speaker 1: Fair to say, Angela has been very deceitful about many things. 629 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 1: I would say that she's been deceitful about things. Yes. 630 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,880 Speaker 1: At that point, you know, the defense goes to the 631 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 1: BCI agent who conducted the interview, asking her, Hey, did 632 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 1: you ask her about the dog breeding business? Did you 633 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,360 Speaker 1: ask her about the arsons? Did you ask about the 634 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,399 Speaker 1: marijuana business? They said, no, we were trying to solve 635 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,399 Speaker 1: the murder, but they were I think trying to sow 636 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 1: seeds of doubt about the effectiveness of the investigation, or 637 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,400 Speaker 1: at least the effectiveness of the questions that they asked. 638 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: She asks agent Commisford if any members of the Wagner 639 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 1: family had concerns about the Rodents having custody of the 640 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,719 Speaker 1: child that Jake and Hannah shared. My understanding is there 641 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,080 Speaker 1: were concerns on the part of the Wagner family that 642 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 1: would become under the custody of the Rodent family. So 643 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 1: did you know which of the Wagners had those concerns, 644 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 1: specifically Angela, Jake, George, and Billy. They're building to this 645 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 1: conspiracy that it wasn't just a couple of people, that 646 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,239 Speaker 1: was the entire family. And this family is such that 647 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 1: if one person knows it, all four of them know it. 648 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 1: So they're still building to this. They're driving to Alaska, 649 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,799 Speaker 1: six of them with two little kids in one car, 650 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,920 Speaker 1: across country, thousands of miles together. How would they be 651 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,719 Speaker 1: able to be that close and share their finances and 652 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,480 Speaker 1: all of that and yet not know about killing eight 653 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,880 Speaker 1: people and planning to kill eight people and building the 654 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,840 Speaker 1: guns to kill eight people and all of that. Special 655 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:40,120 Speaker 1: Prosecutor Angie Kaneppa redirects. You were asked it appeared that 656 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,319 Speaker 1: Angela Wagner was alone and she was in the store 657 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 1: purchasing those shoes. And your response was, what as my 658 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,960 Speaker 1: understanding inside the store that she was alone? Yes, when 659 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,600 Speaker 1: she was outside of the store alone and when you 660 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:58,000 Speaker 1: based out video evidence specifically she got into the back 661 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 1: of that vehicle, yes, correct, So who was with Angela 662 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:07,320 Speaker 1: Wagner when she bought the shoes at Walmart? More on 663 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,480 Speaker 1: that next time for more information on the case and 664 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:16,320 Speaker 1: relevant photos. Follow us on Instagram at Katie Underscore Studios. 665 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,600 Speaker 1: The Piked and Masker is produced by Stephanie Lydecker, Jeff Shane, 666 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 1: Chris Cacaro, Andrew Arnow, Gabriel Castillo and me Courtney Armstrong. 667 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,600 Speaker 1: Editing and sound designed by Jeff Ti Music by Jared Aston. 668 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,759 Speaker 1: The Piked and Masker is a production of iHeartRadio and 669 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 1: Katie Studios. For more podcasts from my Heart Radio, visit 670 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 671 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:47,880 Speaker 1: listen to your favorite shows. I'm Carol Fisher and I'm 672 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,720 Speaker 1: hosting a podcast called The girl Friends. 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