1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class from house 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. 3 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: And I'm Tracy V. Wilson. Tracy, have you ever heard 4 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: someone thinking they were a comedian get on a p 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: a like at a store and stage Judge Crater call 6 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 1: your office? It rings a bell? Yeah, I have vague 7 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: recollections of it, but it seems like weird things when 8 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: I was very young or foe memory. But people who 9 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: have heard that or didn't know that was a thing. 10 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: It was a thing people would do. Comedians would also 11 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: use that line, and it's actually a joke that's housed 12 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: in a historical reference. Yeah. I think I thought it 13 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: was from television, like I had something to do with 14 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: Mrs Wiggins or something. No, So, the vanishing of Judge 15 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: Joseph forced Crater is one of our most requested topics. 16 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: Lots people want to hear about it, and it's considered 17 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: one of the largest missing person cases in the US 18 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: UH in history, and it was one of the biggest 19 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: news stories of the nineteen thirties, probably second only to 20 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: the Lindberg Baby, which happened a couple of years later. 21 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: And it's actually feel decades of speculations about what exactly 22 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: happened to this New York State Supreme Court justice, because 23 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: there are a million question marks and as we'll talk 24 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: about a little bit more later, and as we've talked 25 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: about in many other episodes, a lot of contradicting accounts 26 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: of what actually happened. So we'll do a very brief 27 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: kind of biographical where he started, but really we're going 28 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: to focus on his career in this vanishing. So he 29 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,279 Speaker 1: was born in Pennsylvania on the fifth of January eighteen 30 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:44,279 Speaker 1: eighty nine. His parents were Frank Ellsworth Creator and Layla 31 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: Virginia Montague. And he was named for his grandfather. And 32 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: he worked his way through Lafayette College and Columbia Law School. 33 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: He took clerk jobs, uh, and you know, kind of 34 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: tried to work in law offices as he was working 35 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: on his education, and from day one he seemed to 36 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: always cultivate professional and political connections. Uh. And he eventually 37 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: opened his own law office at one twenty Broadway, and 38 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: that was in what was, I believe at the time, 39 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: one of the largest office buildings in the country, and 40 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: it was a little bit prestigious. In nineteen sixteen, he 41 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: represented Stella Wheeler in a divorce and later the they 42 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: got married in nineteen seventeen, and that was a week 43 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: after Wheeler's divorce was finalized. Kind of found love at 44 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: the law off and married her divorce lawyer. Early on 45 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: in his career, Crater joined the Cayuga Democratic Club, which 46 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: was the seat of another group you may have heard of, 47 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: which is the Tammany Society. Sometimes it's also called Tammany Hall, 48 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 1: which was a New York political organization that had actually 49 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: originated in the late seventeen hundreds, and as time went on, 50 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: it came to be associated with corrupt voting practices, bribery, 51 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: and other political corruption. Uh. The phrase vote early and 52 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: vote often was heavily associated with the Tammany Society, particularly 53 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: in the late eighteen hundreds, although I don't believe that 54 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: is where originated, but the group continued to be linked 55 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: to corruption well into the nineteen hundreds. So Creator was 56 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: kind of joining in with this group of people that 57 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: had some kind of seed connections. There's even a Doctor 58 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: Seu's political cartoon from ninety one featuring the phrase vote 59 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: early and vote often and a cat wearing a Tammany sweater. 60 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: So widely recognized as a little bit dicey political arena there. Yeah. 61 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: So in ninety State Supreme Court Justice Robert F. Wagner 62 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: Senior appointed Creator as his secretary. And at this point 63 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: Creator was also teaching law at Fordham and n y 64 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: U as an adjunct professor. Yeah, so he was getting 65 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: in with, you know, kind of the heavy hitters in 66 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: the justice system at this point, and he you know, 67 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: had various political appointments that came his way and opportunities 68 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: that came his way, and they were you know, believed 69 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: to be uh favor based or possibly bride based in 70 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: many accounts. But the one interesting kind of counter to 71 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: that is that even though people don't necessarily contradict that 72 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: being the case, that they weren't always gotten through the 73 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: most noble means. Uh. He was viewed as really quite 74 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: a good lawyer and in fact, an excellent professor by 75 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: many people. Uh. And even though he was doing all 76 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: of these uh kind of favor appointments and you know, 77 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: possibly corruptly gained positions, he was still making most of 78 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 1: his income from actually practicing law. But his business was 79 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: booming because he had all of these political connections. So 80 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: there's kind of almost a um, there's a lot of interplay. Yeah, 81 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: there's a lot. It's like the layers of an onion, 82 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: but all the layers interconnect, sort of tests ract style, 83 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: like they're all kind of feeding each other from different angles. 84 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: On April eighth, Franklin D. Roosevelt, who at that point 85 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: was the governor, appointed creator to a vacancy on the 86 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: State Supreme Court. So there's already rumors going on that 87 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: he actually bought his way into the position by paying 88 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 1: off the Tammany bosses. There are stories that indicate that 89 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: he had withdrawn twenty dollars from his bank just before 90 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: the appointment. It's not completely confirmed, but if so, that 91 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: would support the rumor that there was a big payoff 92 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: going on. Yeah, and that was it a lot of money. 93 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a lot of money for somebody now, 94 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: but it was even more a lot of money thirty 95 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: to just go pull out twenty dollars, Yes, a lot. 96 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 1: So we're gonna jump right to his disappearance because it 97 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: happened very shortly after he was appointed to the State 98 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: Supreme Court. So in August three of ninety Judge Crater 99 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: was on vacation in Maine with his wife, Stella Uh 100 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: and there they had a vacation house there, and he 101 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: abruptly left to return to New Yor York City. And 102 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: he had done this previously a couple of weeks or 103 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: a week before, and then came back, and so again 104 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: he was kind of leaving abruptly, and he had promised 105 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: her that he would return within the week so that 106 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: they could finish out their vacation together. On the morning 107 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: of August six, Joe Creator went through his office in 108 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: the State Supreme Court chambers and he destroyed all kinds 109 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: of documents and then also packed up other stuff into 110 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: folders and briefcases, and he moved a lot of documents 111 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: into his Fifth Avenue apartment. And he also directed his 112 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: clerk to withdraw five thousand dollars from his bank, and 113 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: he arranged for a ticket to that evening's Broadway performance 114 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: of Dancing Partners, which was a show that had opened 115 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,799 Speaker 1: just the day before. That evening, Creator left Billy Hassa's 116 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: chop House on West forty fifth Street after having dinner 117 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 1: with a show girl named Sally lou Ritz and his 118 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: friend and fellow lawyer, William Klein. He headed off allegedly 119 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: going to the theater, and the theater ticket that he 120 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: had booked earlier in the day was used, though witnesses 121 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,239 Speaker 1: said it was most definitely not Judge Crater who actually 122 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: used it. And then he was never seen again. There's 123 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: just four months after his appointment to the State Supreme 124 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: Court and he had just vanished, yeah, completely into thin air. 125 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: And then before we get to the investigation and kind 126 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: of what has grown out of this vanishing, do you 127 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: want to take a moment and talk about a new sponsor. 128 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: So it will sound completely odd initially, and it is odd, 129 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: but there's some sort of explanations for it. But Creater 130 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: wasn't actually reported missing for almost a month. His wife, 131 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: who he had left in Maine, thought he was in 132 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: the city, and she didn't really grow concerned until uh 133 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: the sixteenth, which point at which point it had been 134 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: about ten days since she had seen him and she 135 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: hadn't been able to contact him. And some of his 136 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: friends and associates in the city initially thought he was 137 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: still in Maine with his wife, so they weren't thinking 138 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: there was anything amiss. But then uh, it became apparent 139 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: that he was m i a when he didn't show 140 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: up for court, when court was back in session. Uh. 141 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: And initially his friends that had already realized that he 142 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: wasn't immediately available, they kind of started to investigate themselves, 143 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: and they chose not to tell his wife because he 144 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: didn't want to alarm her. Yeah, this seems bizarre to 145 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: like a really modern ear because now cell phones are ubiquitous. Yeah, 146 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: but landline phones were not ubiquitous at this point. Like, yeah, 147 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: so you would go days and days without hearing from someone. 148 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: There were many many households that didn't even have phones 149 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: in them, So it's not completely unheard of that a 150 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: person would be used to not hearing from their partner 151 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: for that long. The very thought is terrifying to me. 152 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 1: I don't get a text from my husband by a 153 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: certain point in the day and I start freaking out, 154 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: like something bad has happened. Uh. And it wasn't until 155 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: August a four moal investigation began, so at that point 156 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: it had been about twenty days. And even then it 157 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: didn't really hit the newspapers and become public knowledge until 158 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: September three, And at that point the news was broken 159 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: that Judge Crater was officially missing, so the official investigation 160 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: started and once that was made public all kinds of 161 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: less than noble things, a lot of which had been 162 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: rumored for a really long time came to light. He 163 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: was involved in brokering deals to buy and sell judge ships, 164 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: and he definitely had a taste for dalliances with show girls, 165 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: although a lot of people characterize his marriage to Stella 166 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: as being very devoted. So yeah, and I never know 167 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: how much of that is, um, people kind of trying 168 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: to paint a nice picture of this guy that they 169 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: knew and they were friends with, or how much of 170 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: it really is that he seemed to have, you know, 171 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: both a very steadfast devotion to his wife and a 172 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: tendency to have affairs on the side, which I suppose 173 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: is possible. Yeah, I would say that, especially for someone 174 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: in a position of power. Uh, you know, he would 175 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: certainly have available to him a lot of options, a 176 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: temptation rich environment, so to speak. Uh. There was also 177 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: a news story that ran briefly in September of nineteen thirties, 178 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: so just a little while after Judge Crater vanished that 179 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 1: Sally lou Ritz, who remember was the show girl that 180 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: he had dinner with the night he vanished, had also disappeared. Uh, 181 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: and this caused people to immediately speculate that she had 182 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 1: been killed by someone to keep her quiet. But apparently 183 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: uh that report was published in haste because of all 184 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: reporters couldn't locate her for a day or two. It 185 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: soon turned out that she was in fact in her 186 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: parents home in Ohio, perfectly safe, and she was interviewed there. 187 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: So initially there was an even seedier thing that people 188 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 1: thought was coming to light, and then it turned out 189 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: to be nothing. But on a similar story, June Bryce, 190 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: who was room to be his favorite show girl, did 191 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: vanish in late nineteen thirty but she resurfaced later in 192 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: an insane asylum and that's where she lived for the 193 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: rest of her life. In early nineteen thirty one, so 194 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: still just a few months after Judge Crater had vanished, 195 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,119 Speaker 1: his wife Stella allegedly found a two inch thick envelope 196 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: in a bureau in the couple's Fifth Avenue apartment, and 197 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: this envelope contained insurance policies and six thousand dollars in cash, 198 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: as well as a letter that was written by Joe 199 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: Crater which listed out people who owed him money. Uh 200 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: and and was very insistent that this information was confidential, 201 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: and presumably, according to many people's assessment of the situation, 202 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: he had left this information for Stella so that she 203 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: could collect on these debts to support herself and maintain 204 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: her lifestyle. And this raised all kinds of other questions, 205 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,719 Speaker 1: like how did the police miss this envelope during their 206 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: searches of the apartment when they were investigating, right like 207 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: during a missing person investigation, to do pretty thorough combing 208 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: of their personal effects, one would think that they looked 209 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: in the bureau, but apparently not, so it could have 210 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 1: been overlooked, but they're The Other thing that rang very 211 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 1: oddly to Creator's friends about this discovery of this envelope 212 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: was that they insisted that the judge always carried his 213 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: insurance policies and his other important documents on his person. 214 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 1: Uh so if he had been snatched theoretically, which sounds 215 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: completely bizarre to me. But I'm laughing, and that's why 216 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: you're saying that, because I'm laughing at this idea. Yeah, 217 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: just I can't imagine carrying important documents with me everywhere. 218 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, that's not safe at all. I'm just gonna 219 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: have my birth certificate on my person at the time, 220 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: So they're uh you know. Assertion is that if he 221 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: had truly been you know, kidnapped or plucked from his 222 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: normal goings on, he would have had those documents with 223 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: him and not tucked carefully in an envelope left for 224 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: his wife. And so this fact, as well as the 225 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: discovery of several other small personal effects and the Fifth 226 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: Avenue apartment that Creator was known to carry on his 227 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: person at all times, uh, and they were just sitting 228 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: in the apartment. So this fed the theory that Judge 229 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: Creator had in fact chosen to vanish rather than having 230 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: been the victim of a crime. So his wife had 231 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: this ongoing struggle to collect on the insurance policies, and 232 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: as a result of that, in nineteen thirty nine, Joseph 233 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: Creator was legally declared dead. In nineteen seventy nine, the 234 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: missing person's case was officially closed. Yeah, it's without him 235 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: being declared dead, life insurance policies would not pay out 236 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: because he could just show up again and it could 237 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 1: all have been a scam I soap plot. Well it 238 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: kind of was. There was a whole other trial but 239 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: went on with Stella that really dragged on, and it 240 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: sounds just miserable uh So. An interesting point in terms 241 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: of how Stella handled things after the disappearance and long 242 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: after she had settled these life insurance issues, is that 243 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: for more than three decades, so every anniversary of her 244 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: husband's disappearance, Stella Crater would walk into a bar and 245 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: Greenwich village and she would order to drinks and she 246 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: would toast good luck, Joe, wherever you are, and she 247 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: would drink one of the drinks and she would leave 248 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: the other drink untouched and then leave, which in a 249 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: way sounds very sort of wistful and sand and romantic. Yeah, 250 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: it makes me feel a little teerious. But then the 251 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: part of me that wonders if she long suspected or 252 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: even knew that he had arranged his own vanishing, if 253 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: it's not kind of a like, wherever you are, a jerk, 254 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: I'm drinking in your honor um. But that might just 255 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: be my cynical side coming out. So we have lots 256 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: of theories about what happened, and yeah, which is what 257 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: happens with missing persons. Yeah, so there are so called craterists, 258 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: and these are unsolved mystery enthusiasts who study all these 259 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: pieces of this puzzle to try to come up with 260 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: the most logical explanation for what happened, and they have 261 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: come up with a lot of explanations throughout the years, 262 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: and even people who don't identify as part of that group. 263 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: Some of the theories have included that he was a 264 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: victim of a hit because of a mob connection and 265 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: some sort of deal gone wrong, ran off with a 266 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: show girl. Yeah, since it it was at this point, 267 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: you know, once he disappeared, it became very public knowledge, 268 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: and in fact, he had had a lot of affairs 269 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: with show girls, So perhaps he are you in n 270 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: O F T right? Uh? The other one, this one 271 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: I kind of find hilarious and I don't know why, 272 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: because it's very silly. It's far fetched. There are some 273 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: the assert that he somehow became amnesia, like he had 274 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: amnesia and couldn't remember who he was or what he 275 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: was doing. Because soap opera, Because soap opera, which so 276 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: much of the actual story is very soapished, you can 277 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: see where people might land there. There's also the theory 278 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: that he committed suicide. Yeah. Uh. There's also a theory 279 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: that he was maybe killed by a blackmailer for not 280 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: being them off. There's also a theory that he landed 281 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: at Polly Adler's brothel, so allegedly, according to these early 282 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: drafts of a memoir that Adler wrote much later, she 283 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: wrote that Crater died in her bordello and then she 284 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: had had his body removed by friends. Um, we don't 285 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: really have these alleged drafts though, right. Uh, we're kind 286 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: of taking someone's word for it that they, Oh, I've 287 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: seen these drafts, but I cannot. But now they're gone 288 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: and destroyed. Uh, so we don't know. That's another that's 289 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: another kind of soap operated one that people like to 290 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: talk about, that he died in the arms of a 291 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: prostitute and then there was a big cover up. And 292 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: for decades, the New York Police Department received letters and 293 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: phone calls from people all over the US and the 294 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: world claiming to have seen Judge Crater, and particularly as 295 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: important anniversaries of the disappearance, would you know be coming 296 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: up or just passed, so, like at the twenty year mark, 297 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: they get a ton of these calls. At the thirty 298 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: year mark, to get a ton of these calls. And 299 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: he's been reported as being seen everywhere from walking down 300 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: Park Avenue on jets to other countries, prospecting in California, 301 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: hurting sheep in the Pacific Northwest. I guess someone thought 302 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: maybe he had a n for a simpler life. Uh 303 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: in a mental hospital in Missouri, playing dice in Atlanta, 304 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: running small time casino games in North Africa. Uh, just 305 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: hanging out in Havana in the South Pacific, in Shanghai, 306 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: basically anywhere and everywhere on the planet, doing any possible 307 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: thing you could be doing. He has been reported as 308 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: having been witnessed doing and being that thing in that place, 309 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: and he's like a judicial Elvis. Yes, that's exactly what 310 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: I was thinking. But I was reading all of these 311 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,239 Speaker 1: weird accounts that people have reported through the years. So 312 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: there have even been some staged hopeses. There was one 313 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,239 Speaker 1: in the nineteen seventies where police were called to a 314 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,239 Speaker 1: bar on New York's East Side and they found a 315 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: man dressed as Creator as he had appeared when he 316 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 1: vanished in nine thirty. And there are lots of video cameras. Yeah, 317 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: and the person that was playing Creator in this staged 318 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: hoax also looked like Creater would have looked in the 319 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: nineteen thirties, so it was clearly not the same person 320 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,479 Speaker 1: when we get into the time traveler theory, he was 321 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 1: a doctor. Um. Uh. So before we get to another 322 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 1: development that happened in the two thousands, much more recent thing. Yeah, 323 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: we will pause for just a moment for a word 324 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: from our sponsor. Yes. So now we get to a 325 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 1: very interesting letter. In April two thousand five, Stella Ferrucci, 326 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: Good of Belle Rose, New York, died at the age 327 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: of nine. And this would have been a completely unremarkable circumstance, 328 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: but she left behind a letter that reignited the Judge 329 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: Crater case. And in an envelope that uh she had 330 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: left behind that said do not open until my death. Uh, 331 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: Ferruci had left a note that claimed that her late 332 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: husband had learned the actual truth about what had happened 333 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: to Creator and who had murdered him. According to this note, 334 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,719 Speaker 1: a New York Police Department policeman named Charles Burns and 335 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: Burns taxi driver brother Frank, conspired with other people to 336 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: kill the judge and bury his remains under the boardwalk 337 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: in Coney Island near West eighth Street. And one interesting 338 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: point of note, uh, and this comes up a lot, 339 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: particularly as we're looking through some of this information that 340 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: was revealed in the note is that various media reports 341 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: of the contents of this note, even though this is 342 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: a fairly modern event UH, as well as other aspects 343 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: of the creator disappearance that have been reported through the years, 344 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: have been consistently inconsistent. UH. In some stories about the 345 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: Ferruci Good note UH, it's reported that her husband was 346 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: actually involved in the murder, and in other reportings of 347 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: this note they say that her husband was simply told 348 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: about it by Charles Burns while they were having drinks 349 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: in a bar. So Frank Burns allegedly picked Crater up 350 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 1: in his cab from the chop house that we referenced 351 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: earlier on West forty fifth Street, then stopped a few 352 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: blocks later, and two more men got into the cab. 353 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: The car then headed to Coney Island, where they were 354 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: joined by two more men, and that's when the judge, 355 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: according to this letter, was killed and buried. And this 356 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: is where we need to point out another inconsistency in 357 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: the various accounts of the last time that Judge Crater 358 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: was seen. If you look through any of the various 359 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: uh you know, books about it, and there have been 360 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: many newspaper accounts, etcetera. Some report that witnesses saw him 361 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: getting into a cab, which at least sort of connects 362 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: to the idea that Frank Burns could have picked him 363 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 1: up in a cab, but others insists that there is 364 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: no such witness testimony that he walked away from the 365 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 1: chop house and did not get into a cab. So 366 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: that's another kind of pebble to turn over in your 367 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: mind on this about how inconsistent everything is. Although we've 368 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 1: talked about lots of different motives that people could have 369 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: for wanting to kill a judge who was involved in 370 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: the various activities, there was no motive mentioned in the note. UH. 371 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: There was for fact checkers, Charles Burns that was on 372 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: the police force from ninety uh and he was assigned 373 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: to the sixtieth Precinct, which was in Coney Island. So 374 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: there is some substantiation of some of the information in 375 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: this note, But then other things are a lot murkier. Right. 376 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: There are some reports that indicate that in the fifties, 377 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: when the New York Aquarium was being built, remains were 378 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 1: found under the boardwalk. Other sources say that there's no 379 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 1: such evidence and that this is just a rumor, and 380 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: since there hasn't been any kind of big announcement that 381 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: creators remains were found. Either way, the case remains unsolved. 382 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: If there had been a body unearthed in the fifties, 383 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: you would think the first person that most people would 384 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: think of would have been that it was the famous 385 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: missing judge. Yeah, that's another one that news outlets will say, 386 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: like there were, uh, there was a body found in 387 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: the fifties. We've called the police for confirmation, and others 388 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 1: will say there are rumors that there was a body 389 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: found there in the fifties, but we've called the police 390 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: and they firmly deny this. So it's kind of interesting 391 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: and a little bit confusing. In the words of Simon Rifkin, 392 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: who was a lawyer who worked with Joe Crater and 393 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 1: I think some degree viewed him as a mentor, and 394 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: Rifkin actually signed the form that formally opened the investigation 395 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: into the disappearance, uh, he described him as saying, quote, 396 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: Judge Crater was a man of such commanding appearance he 397 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: couldn't possibly get lost in a crown. And Rifkin is 398 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: not alone in that sort of description. This was a 399 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: man who was very dapper. He was always well dressed. 400 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 1: Many people would have called him handsome, uh you know, 401 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: a tall, commanding presence, not someone who could just vanish. 402 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: One of the problems it's ongoing in this whole mystery 403 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 1: is that there's all kinds of obfuscation and spin that's 404 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: been put on the case through the years. As many many, 405 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: many authors and different people who have a little part 406 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: in the mystery have published their own accounts of the disappearance. So, 407 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: as with any event, I witness accounts also contradict each other. 408 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: And there's also the possibility that people are purposefully bending 409 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: the truth. Uh yeah, I mean it's one of those 410 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: things where no, no, my account is the correct account. 411 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,719 Speaker 1: I am writing the new version of what really happened, 412 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: and it's supported by these things. But there's always something different. 413 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: So what really happened to Judge Crater in n I 414 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: would say at this point it's a safe bet we 415 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: will never actually know. For all we know he lived 416 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: out his life somewhere very happily elsewhere, or he's been 417 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: at the bottom of a body of water for a 418 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 1: long time, or any number of other things. I just 419 00:23:54,640 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 1: don't know. So yes, that's the Judge creator disappearing. That 420 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 1: kind of leaves more questions than answers, unfortunately. But sometimes 421 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: when so many people really want us to talk about something, 422 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: we get pretty invested in wanting to deliver on that, 423 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: even though we don't wind up at a satisfactory mystery 424 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: solving conclusion. Yeah, there isn't any I think a lot 425 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: of people that were very into the case. We're probably 426 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: so excited in two thousand five when that letter appeared, 427 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: possibly solved it, but it really didn't unfortunately. Yeah, do 428 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: you have some listener mail go along with this episode. 429 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: It doesn't really go along with this episode, but it's 430 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 1: a fun listener mail and it is from our listener John. 431 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: He says, Hello, ladies, I write to you from Australia, 432 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 1: where I have just listened to your podcast on Zenobia. 433 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: What first attracted my interest is that my grandmother, who 434 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: lives in the city of Perth on the West Coast, 435 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: lives near as Enobia Street. This was the only other 436 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: time I had heard the name before, so naturally I 437 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: thought there might be a connection. 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