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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: It is win the August seventh, twenty nineteen, season fifteen,
Speaker 1: episode number twenty two. Welcome to latest edition of The Break.
Speaker 1: We're live Moxnard, California. Cowboys are as you can see
Speaker 1: behind us starting their walkthrough. It's a little early for
Speaker 1: their walkthrough. They're doing something awesome. Yeah, like this is
Speaker 1: the good stuff, which like Jason, Jason Garrett probably doesn't
Speaker 1: want us look him back there, but yeah, so don't look.
Speaker 1: It looks like they're meeting. Stop looking at their meeting
Speaker 1: early to go over some finer points. And I would
Speaker 1: give anything, I'd give anything to just be able to
Speaker 1: listen to it. It's probably good stuff. But they have
Speaker 1: they walk through this morning. They'll be back on the
Speaker 1: field this afternoon for their normal practice at three thirty
Speaker 1: out here Pacific time. For those of you that are
Speaker 1: in the area. If you want to come out and
Speaker 1: you're in the area, you only got a few more days.
Speaker 1: There's a practice today and tomorrow. Tomorrow's practice actually is
Speaker 1: in the morning. I think it's gonna be at ten thirty,
Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah, And then there won't be another
Speaker 1: practice until next Monday, and they'll have practice Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
Speaker 1: another morning practice on Thursday, and then we're out. It
Speaker 1: happens like that. One day it seems like it's never
Speaker 1: gonna end, and then the next day than you're packing
Speaker 1: up up. So we got a lot of things we
Speaker 1: want to hit today. We're gonna talk about some injuries,
Speaker 1: one big injury that happened yesterday for the Cowboys. We'll
Speaker 1: also talk we'll play a little bit of game, a
Speaker 1: little game called tell me More. I got some guys
Speaker 1: that are under the radar kind of guys I keep
Speaker 1: getting as I'm sure you guys, I get these messages
Speaker 1: on Twitter, tell me something about this guy, this guy.
Speaker 1: So I've picked out a couple of names of guys
Speaker 1: that we haven't really talked a lot about, and we'll
Speaker 1: go around and let you guys give some scouting reports
Speaker 1: on what you've seen from those guys throughout these practices
Speaker 1: here in Oxnard. Before we get though to that, I
Speaker 1: want to talk a little bit about a Deep Blue
Speaker 1: special that we got coming out today. For those of
Speaker 1: you guys that may not have seen it, we have
Speaker 1: a documentary will be launching to day at three pm
Speaker 1: Central Time, that's one pm Pacific called Welcome to Switzerland.
Speaker 1: It was a documentary put together by Rob Phillips and
Speaker 1: Ken Garrison and details Barry Switzer's time with the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Really really interesting story. As you may know from the
Speaker 1: Deep Blue documentaries that we do. I think they're all
Speaker 1: pretty good, but it just goes a little deeper, tells
Speaker 1: you the deeper story from the guys who lived it.
Speaker 1: And so that's gonna launch today, makes you check it out.
Speaker 1: If you can't catch it live, you'll be able to
Speaker 1: watch it on demand later on our website, on our
Speaker 1: mobile app, as well as on our Connected TV app
Speaker 1: on rokup, Amazon Fire, and Apple TV. All right, let's
Speaker 1: jump in. Let's jump first on these injuries. Catch us
Speaker 1: up to speed on what's happening with injuries. Obviously, Robert
Speaker 1: Quinn goes out yesterday with a fractured hand. What if
Speaker 1: we heard about that injury, he's gonna require surgery. I
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be back in Dallas and it's gonna
Speaker 1: I mean, he'll probably be able to play for the
Speaker 1: first game, but it'll be you know, wrapped up or
Speaker 1: club or whatever. I mean. Those injuries typically it's a
Speaker 1: you know, you could play maybe the next depending on
Speaker 1: your position, maybe play the next week or two weeks.
Speaker 1: But I think in this case, you'll probably be have
Speaker 1: it where he can get out there and play just
Speaker 1: another knock on the defensive end position. It's true in
Speaker 1: the first game. I mean, as far as injuries that
Speaker 1: require surgeries go, it's probably best case scenario. It's the
Speaker 1: same thing to Marco Murray did to his hand, which
Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor, but it's like the metatarsal. It's
Speaker 1: not your fingers, it's down here. Had a gnarly scar
Speaker 1: when he did that, but he didn't miss a game,
Speaker 1: so I know it's a little bit different because you're
Speaker 1: using your hands a little bit more to play defensive
Speaker 1: end rapid and tape. I think, you know, I'm optimistic
Speaker 1: he can be available for Week one in some form
Speaker 1: or fashion, but you're right, DeMarcus Lawrence is still on PUP,
Speaker 1: Tyron Crawford's still on PUP, Randy Gregory is m IA,
Speaker 1: and now Quinn's basically done for the preseason, So more
Speaker 1: opportunities for the young guys. YEP. Talk to me about
Speaker 1: Mark Cooper. He has the heel injury. There were there
Speaker 1: were thoughts that maybe he'd be back to practice yesterday
Speaker 1: he was not. What are we hearing about his status?
Speaker 1: Same as far as I'm aware, it's like we said,
Speaker 1: you know, is Jason Garrett always says like we're hopeful
Speaker 1: he's coming back, and I feel like when he says that,
Speaker 1: that means he's not coming back yet. But it's it's precautionary. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what at this point too, it's a lot
Speaker 1: of this stuff. Partly that's going on right now is
Speaker 1: getting ready for this game. You know, it's to actually
Speaker 1: prepare to go out and play in a game situation.
Speaker 1: And I think I think he's gonna play this and
Speaker 1: I don't. That's why that way, there's no point. That's
Speaker 1: what I was getting to. But but yeah, that's why
Speaker 1: I don't think that, you know, if it was just
Speaker 1: practice and you're just going maybe so, but it's like,
Speaker 1: all right, let's get these other guys. Make sure they
Speaker 1: know John V. Johnson's going to be this call this formation.
Speaker 1: Does he know where to line up and where to go?
Speaker 1: So I don't think there's any rush to rushing back.
Speaker 1: All right, let's jump into a little blanket coverage. I
Speaker 1: have a couple of climent comments here. Uh U. Who
Speaker 1: was it? Yes? I think it was yesterday that you
Speaker 1: said you dreamt about a player and dreamt that they
Speaker 1: cut Robert Quinn. I was like, so I had a
Speaker 1: dream about a player last night. I know, But I
Speaker 1: was like, man, you'd mentioned about a dream about Robert
Speaker 1: Quinn and then yesterday that happened to him. So who
Speaker 1: did you have a dream about? Oh freaking kicker her.
Speaker 1: It was a nightmare. It was we were on We
Speaker 1: started the season. Yes, it was bad. We started the
Speaker 1: season and he kept messing every single cake. I'm just
Speaker 1: I was losing it. It was horrible. It was horrible.
Speaker 1: I didn't I get I can't even imagine what you
Speaker 1: were doing in the breast box. Just like everyone like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, if he misses another kick, it sucked.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I just I believe I believe
Speaker 1: in those that you have, like certain dreams, like premonition
Speaker 1: or whatever. And the fact that you mentioned Robert Quinn
Speaker 1: and then that happened. He missed two kicks, yester. So
Speaker 1: let's keep an eye on these dreams that we're having here,
Speaker 1: maybe giving us something it's not fighting. Look, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's fair. I mean, it happens, all right. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to think what kind of like weird stuff I
Speaker 1: dream about it. I really don't want to know. I
Speaker 1: really don't want to know. Let's do some blanket coverage,
Speaker 1: all right. I got a couple of comments here for
Speaker 1: you guys. You fell into blank comment number one, Both rushers,
Speaker 1: both both pass rushers, Your best cornerback, your best offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: your best running back, your best wide receiver are all
Speaker 1: missing right now. My level of concern with this many
Speaker 1: top players out is Blake Dave none. I feel no
Speaker 1: concern about any of that because it's all to quote
Speaker 1: the joker, it's all part of the plan, like none
Speaker 1: of I mean, Quinn Quinn sucks, but again his injury.
Speaker 1: You're right, I'm sorry, the Quinn injury sucks. Sometimes my
Speaker 1: brain gets out of my mouth. The Quinn injury sucks.
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn is good. But as far as like there's
Speaker 1: gonna be an injury that requires somebody going back to Dallas,
Speaker 1: it just happens. And if that's what the injury is,
Speaker 1: then they got off lucky, Like that's a good thing, right,
Speaker 1: So Yeah, so I'm not worried about him. I remain
Speaker 1: convinced that Zeke Elliott is not gonna miss any Gamesmari
Speaker 1: Cooper's got a bruised heel like that, he's fine. DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence and Byron again, yeah, like it's a little bit concerning,
Speaker 1: but we've known about both of them since May, Like
Speaker 1: this is part of their rehab plan. That's not some
Speaker 1: kind of curveball. The only thing that really cancerns me
Speaker 1: is that we still don't know if anything's gonna happen
Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawford and in regard to NFL discipline. But other
Speaker 1: than that, I feel fine. Nick level of concern is
Speaker 1: uh none, And actually it's more of a positive thing
Speaker 1: when you have players like this, because we've seen guys
Speaker 1: carted off the field. We've seen Lucky Whitehead roll into
Speaker 1: Orlando Scandrick out here and the season was over. That
Speaker 1: stuff happened and all that, but you don't want it
Speaker 1: to happen to your key players. And so if if
Speaker 1: you can give me two to four week injuries, I'm
Speaker 1: okay with. I'm okay with two to four weekend. I
Speaker 1: actually think it's maybe even better if they are at
Speaker 1: the level where they don't need a ton of training
Speaker 1: camp reps. Zack Martin is in that. I don't know
Speaker 1: about Quinn. He's a veteran, but Rush the pastor, you know,
Speaker 1: he knows how to do that here. So I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not as concerned with with some of those because
Speaker 1: I feel like, like Dave said, they'll be back. Give
Speaker 1: me all the excuses to rest my great players. There
Speaker 1: you go. Vel concern is. I mean, yeah, I am
Speaker 1: a little bit concerned. These guys are not, but I'm
Speaker 1: a little bit. And this is why we were coming
Speaker 1: into camp feeling pretty excited about this twenty nineteen Cowboys team.
Speaker 1: You know, very young players, every whole new offense, if
Speaker 1: coordinator Kellen Moore what he can do. You know, all
Speaker 1: these exciting things happening, and yeah, I don't want to
Speaker 1: be disappointed. You know, when you get too excited, then
Speaker 1: the disappointment hit like the low comes really low. So
Speaker 1: I'm just concerned about being another year of disappointment because
Speaker 1: of injuries, not necessarily because of the talent, because I
Speaker 1: think this is a really good year with what they're
Speaker 1: doing with the defense, what Kellen Moore could possibly do offensively.
Speaker 1: So for them to kind of mess up the season
Speaker 1: because of injuries, then yeah, that's gonna be well. I
Speaker 1: think we're really you're saying the same thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're just taking it to another other level, like we're
Speaker 1: we look at those guys that's saying that, be fine.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna be carted off the field, Like they're
Speaker 1: not gonna have the what you're talking about these major injuries.
Speaker 1: There's there's four or five more guys that probably won't
Speaker 1: be having that. But yeah, I think like the little
Speaker 1: things that spark up here and there, and obviously the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are very being very precautionary with all these guys.
Speaker 1: But for example, sak Marion and he's back, Okay, question Mark,
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen in the season when he started playing?
Speaker 1: You know, just little things there. That's the biggest one part.
Speaker 1: And honestly that it's not just that one that one
Speaker 1: concerns me a little bit. But then too, I've seen
Speaker 1: and you guys have to, we've seen these scenarios where
Speaker 1: you hear from the team, Oh, it's it's fine, it'll
Speaker 1: they'll be fine, they'll be here for the beginning of
Speaker 1: the season. I just don't until I see it, particularly
Speaker 1: with those two guys that haven't practiced yet in Byron
Speaker 1: Jones and Tank, I'm not I'm not totally secure in
Speaker 1: the fact that that's gonna be where it needs to be.
Speaker 1: And then obviously the Zeke thing is a big question mark.
Speaker 1: We just don't know what's gonna happen that. So you
Speaker 1: look at all those and that that means if you
Speaker 1: just want to isolate those four, you're talking about your
Speaker 1: best cornerback, your best pass rusher, you're probably your best
Speaker 1: player overalls as your best running back and your best
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. And they've got in my mind questions that
Speaker 1: I think are legitimate going into the season. They do
Speaker 1: the Byron, Byron and DeMarcus, like I said, is like
Speaker 1: I've already processed all of that, you know, like we
Speaker 1: came into camp. That is not a new development, and
Speaker 1: so it is what it is. I haven't seen anything
Speaker 1: to suggest that they are not on the path that
Speaker 1: they're supposed to be on. So for the time being,
Speaker 1: I'll take it as I expect to see both of
Speaker 1: them at practice at the Ford Center. I would love
Speaker 1: to see it, and I kind of hope, so I'm hoping.
Speaker 1: So I just there's something in back of my mind.
Speaker 1: And if you're that way, if we didn't have these
Speaker 1: other injuries, maybe i'd be a little more secure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But when then when you start adding in Zack's got
Speaker 1: it back and Zeke's not here because he's holding out
Speaker 1: for a contract, That's when I start getting even more,
Speaker 1: like a little bit more concerned about it. It's maybe
Speaker 1: I'm crazy, like I didn't other than the fact that
Speaker 1: we have to talk about it for our jobs. Like
Speaker 1: I don't spend any time worrying about the Zeke stuff.
Speaker 1: Like the other day, somebody asked me how camp was
Speaker 1: going on. I was like, pretty drama free year, and
Speaker 1: they were like things considered. They were like, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about, like the running backs not. I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: but that that's gonna be fine, Like that'll work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's actually funny. When you talk to people back home,
Speaker 1: they're like, oh my god, what's going on with Zeke? Like,
Speaker 1: and we're like, we've been out here every day. We
Speaker 1: don't even think about it on a day to day.
Speaker 1: But for the show. All right, all right, here's a
Speaker 1: second comment I have for you, guys. Injuries create opportunities.
Speaker 1: As Jason Garrett always says, Blank gets the greatest opportunity
Speaker 1: from the Quinn injury. Nick, Joe Jackson, Joe guys. I
Speaker 1: mean he's drafted. He's supposed to come in here and play, um,
Speaker 1: you know, get some reps, and they're gonna give him
Speaker 1: the opportunities to do that. You know. Um, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of guys I don't want to mention, you know,
Speaker 1: because they all could have different names, So I'll just
Speaker 1: say that when there are others, but I'll say Joe Jackson,
Speaker 1: Amber I think at the defensive end position. You know,
Speaker 1: a guy that I'm excited about is Armstrong. I'm excited
Speaker 1: to see how he takes an opportunity and shows you
Speaker 1: even more. He's been showing splashes out here and that's great. Now.
Speaker 1: Another guy's Taco, who has started doing certain things for
Speaker 1: you where yeah, it's not to the level because of
Speaker 1: the expectations, first round pick, blah blah blah. But he's
Speaker 1: starting to do certain things and that's exciting, I guess
Speaker 1: because that now or never, you got to turn it
Speaker 1: on now. So but main guy Dorn's You mentioned Doran's
Speaker 1: armstrong yesterday in the compete period, that's a period of
Speaker 1: practice where Cowboys, they come up as a team, Jason
Speaker 1: will call out two guys that he wants to match
Speaker 1: up one on one and in front of the whole team,
Speaker 1: they got to compete, and Doran's armstrong yesterday called him
Speaker 1: up with Lyle Collins against Lyle Collins. First time he
Speaker 1: beat Lyle. The next two times Lyle got him. But
Speaker 1: what was interesting to me is the fact that Jason
Speaker 1: hauled him up to go against Lyle in front of
Speaker 1: the whole team. That suggests to me, and it's just
Speaker 1: my opinion, it suggests to me that the coaches are
Speaker 1: seeing something they really like it, Doran's armstrong, and they're
Speaker 1: trying to see if he's ready to take that next
Speaker 1: step to now be up there with the starters. And
Speaker 1: he's probably gonna get some opportunities now with Robert Quinn
Speaker 1: and with a tank out. Quinn's injury. Right, all right,
Speaker 1: who's you're guy? The guy that nobody else wants to
Speaker 1: talk about? Carrie Hyderah, that's another one other than Tank.
Speaker 1: He really is the only guy on this you know,
Speaker 1: as talented as it is, he's the only guy that's
Speaker 1: really put together like this impressive sack total season eight
Speaker 1: with Detroit two years ago. M Dorence has been great.
Speaker 1: Everybody should be hyped about what we've seen from Doran's
Speaker 1: armstrong in this camp. Taco is getting some work and
Speaker 1: actually did some nice things yesterday he beat Tyron Smith
Speaker 1: and he got a sack in team period. But Hyder
Speaker 1: has been working on that right side, which is where
Speaker 1: Coin has been, so I would assume that means more
Speaker 1: reps for him. Absolutely. I just think people sleep on
Speaker 1: him as a veteran who has done it and who
Speaker 1: I like his odds to be on the team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love I love what they've got as far as
Speaker 1: depth on this pretty crazy. It's crazy how much talent
Speaker 1: they've been able to amass on that defensive line. All Right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take our first break when we come back,
Speaker 1: We're gonna play a little tell me more. I got
Speaker 1: some names. I'm gonna throw out to you guys, you're
Speaker 1: gonna tell me what you've seen from them out here
Speaker 1: at training camp. Will do that when we come right back.
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Speaker 1: Welcome Back. It's the second segment of The Break live
Speaker 1: in Oxnard, California. Cowboys practice will be taking place Sackton
Speaker 1: at three thirty pm. At three o'clock PM, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: that's three thirty pm Pacific. At one o'clock Pacific, though,
Speaker 1: we will be releasing our new documentary, Welcome to Switzerland.
Speaker 1: Makes you you check that out. I think you guys
Speaker 1: have all seen it, right, I haven't. Nick, you've seen it.
Speaker 1: I've seen, you know, the first thirty minutes, but then
Speaker 1: there were some edits and stuff. Though I haven't really
Speaker 1: seen all of it. I know I watched it while
Speaker 1: I was on vacation and it was I thought it
Speaker 1: was really well done. So I'm looking forward to you
Speaker 1: guys all seeing it and being able to give us
Speaker 1: some feedback. We got some others coming up too, I
Speaker 1: know Nick has one I'm really excited about seeing. It's
Speaker 1: going to be the final one we do the summer
Speaker 1: called The Late Hit about Roy Williams to safety really
Speaker 1: really good topic. Nick's been selling me on this for
Speaker 1: like three years and then finally like, yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 1: So I'm telling you, I'm telling you that the thing
Speaker 1: about that is and which is interesting because there's if
Speaker 1: I if you were to say, what's the one player
Speaker 1: over the twenty years of me being here that I've
Speaker 1: had some kind of issues with, I would say it
Speaker 1: would be Roy Williams. And so yet we've done this
Speaker 1: and there's not been one person that has been more
Speaker 1: commentating through the entire process of Deep Blues than Roy Williams.
Speaker 1: It's been outstanding. So I'm really excited about how it's
Speaker 1: all gonna work together. It seems like you guys have
Speaker 1: kind of developed a little friendship over this. It was
Speaker 1: never anything big anyways. It just kind of was, oh,
Speaker 1: he didn't He was one of those guys. And a
Speaker 1: lot of the players are this way too. They they
Speaker 1: just don't really understand what are we doing. Why are
Speaker 1: we wearing this and still saying that they suck? And
Speaker 1: you're on You're on the same We're in the Cowboys Star. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're on the charters and on the buses, specifically on
Speaker 1: the buses, um where it's just like what what are
Speaker 1: you doing? And then you guys just said that I
Speaker 1: wasn't playing that well right, well you weren't, but you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's one of those things. It's
Speaker 1: almost like a family. It's like, you know, your mom's
Speaker 1: not supposed to say that you're you're not doing very good.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a fun line to walk every day.
Speaker 1: But the interesting part is in and what this happens.
Speaker 1: A lot I found in my years, the guys didn't
Speaker 1: retire and then they see you and they're like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: what's up, And it's all of a sudden, it's like
Speaker 1: all's forgotten. It's all good now. Now I'm not having
Speaker 1: to deal with that anymore. It's all good now. Especially
Speaker 1: half of them are trying to break into the media,
Speaker 1: and well that also helps, right, it also helps all right,
Speaker 1: So let's play a little game here. I got a
Speaker 1: game called tell me More. Um, I've been hit getting
Speaker 1: some some tweets about just different names of guys that
Speaker 1: are I would say not really well, one or two
Speaker 1: of them are are kind of ti blind guys, but
Speaker 1: they're just guys. We haven't mentioned a lot. We talk
Speaker 1: about a lot of different names on the show. These
Speaker 1: are guys we haven't mentioned a lot. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go around. I want you guys to tell me what
Speaker 1: you've seen from these guys, and let's give people kind
Speaker 1: of him an update on on a few lesser known
Speaker 1: players or players that are not talked about as much.
Speaker 1: Let's start with running back Jordan Chun. What are you
Speaker 1: guys hearing? Hearing, hearing and seeing? Yeah, seeing that he
Speaker 1: is actually um getting he's getting a lot more reps.
Speaker 1: But he seems like a guy that like he's the
Speaker 1: biggest of the backs. And because of the number, no,
Speaker 1: he's he's a he's a bulky guy. Yeah he's he's
Speaker 1: not forty six can make you look really good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no doubt about that. But but he's two hundred
Speaker 1: and I think he's two twenty two thirty, and he's
Speaker 1: he's physical and he kind of he finishes runs like that.
Speaker 1: So he's made a big jump I think from year
Speaker 1: one to year two, all in the practice squad last year.
Speaker 1: So um, Like I said the other day, I think
Speaker 1: jamay Zola Walley was supposed to be a kind of
Speaker 1: a fallback plan to be a isolated runner in those situations,
Speaker 1: and I think Chun is getting those reps and he's
Speaker 1: looked good doing them too. Physical It is that a
Speaker 1: guy you think at this point has an opportunity to
Speaker 1: maybe make the steam. Ever, well, I know he's a
Speaker 1: guy that has been mentioned by Will McClay, Stephen Jones.
Speaker 1: They they've mentioned his name. And when you got this
Speaker 1: group of guys and other guys that were drafted, you
Speaker 1: know the fact that you're being mentioned by those people
Speaker 1: means something because you tend to get lost in the group.
Speaker 1: And to me, yes, he's been taking advantage of his
Speaker 1: opportunities out here. But what are your no, no, no,
Speaker 1: keep going. I'm sorry. I was gonna, I was gonna.
Speaker 1: I was gonna compare him to a Hall of Famer. Actually, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: do you know what do you know what Terrell Davis
Speaker 1: is like? Breakout moment was his career. There was a
Speaker 1: special teams player I don't remember exactly, runs down and
Speaker 1: just blasted some guy. That's what he's gonna have to do.
Speaker 1: He's built like a linebacker. Go down there and show
Speaker 1: you can contribute on that. Then you'll get opportunities to
Speaker 1: be in the game and maybe run and all that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. There's a good opportunity for him to
Speaker 1: actually go down to be like a special teams linebacker. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's just hard. It's hard for me to envision that,
Speaker 1: like on a team, like if we assume Ezekiel Elliott
Speaker 1: will be here, how do you make the team? It's hard.
Speaker 1: It's hard to be special teams like Nicks is right,
Speaker 1: even so I think I think Alfred Morris is the
Speaker 1: wrench in that plan. Like and and you know they
Speaker 1: don't they're not tied to him like they have to
Speaker 1: keep him. But talking about a two time pro bowler
Speaker 1: guy who's been here for a couple of years, he
Speaker 1: is the only one on this team with Zeke not here,
Speaker 1: who has any kind of extensive experience playing in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And I think if they're just gonna be a backup,
Speaker 1: as in, like you know, your main back, if Zeke
Speaker 1: isn't there, whether it's injury or hold out or whatever,
Speaker 1: I lean toward Alfred Morris um and so he's gonna
Speaker 1: have to be a lot better. It does. It is
Speaker 1: worth mentioning like Alfred Morris isn't a big special teams guy.
Speaker 1: So if if Chun or Webber can do a ton
Speaker 1: on special teams. In addition to that, I guess it's possible,
Speaker 1: but I keep going back the day they drafted Pollard
Speaker 1: and Webber. Stephen Jones was like, yeah, you know, be
Speaker 1: tough for Webber or any of those other guys to
Speaker 1: even get a jersey because Pollard can do this and
Speaker 1: we've got Jama's who can do that. I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: thanks for telling me you your breakdown for participation here
Speaker 1: in May. Stephen, So thinking about that, knowing how they
Speaker 1: want to use that, it's hard for me to imagine
Speaker 1: how any of those guys really like the guy that
Speaker 1: brings Zeke to the you know, like if he was
Speaker 1: Zeka to sign or you know, come to camp. I
Speaker 1: think the guy that drives him. Here's the guy that's
Speaker 1: driving Alfred Morris back to La X. Yeah. No, and
Speaker 1: that's what I think. That's it's you shouldn't assume. You
Speaker 1: should not assume Alfred Morris is gonna make this team.
Speaker 1: But I think we said it already and you can
Speaker 1: kind of hear the whispers like it left an impact
Speaker 1: on them, what C. J. Anderson did to them in
Speaker 1: the playoffs, and I you know, I think they see
Speaker 1: Alfred Morris in a similar vein. I will also say this,
Speaker 1: and you can take it as just kind of lip service,
Speaker 1: but Jerry Jerry mentioned the fact that last year they
Speaker 1: were they were a little bit um, not dismayed, but
Speaker 1: they weren't very happy with the fact that they lost
Speaker 1: out on resigning him last year and he ended up
Speaker 1: with the forty nine ers. They see him as a
Speaker 1: guy that can be a nice number two, a nice
Speaker 1: backup in the adventure guy gets hurt, So at least
Speaker 1: from at least from no I get it, but at
Speaker 1: least from what And honestly, I think they always had
Speaker 1: plans that they were going to bring him in. I
Speaker 1: think it got to a point where he was gonna
Speaker 1: go down there. I signed with New Orleans and they
Speaker 1: were like, oh, we can't, we gotta wait, we can't
Speaker 1: wait on this, and they got scared, right and I
Speaker 1: think they figured in camp, let's give these young guys
Speaker 1: more of an opportunity. But they didn't want to lose
Speaker 1: him and that forced their hand. That also says to
Speaker 1: me they really wanted him on the team. Never rule
Speaker 1: out anything, but I think the deck is stacked against
Speaker 1: Darius Chun and Webber just in terms of like, how
Speaker 1: do you justify it this roster. I actually think coming
Speaker 1: into camp I was thinking Darius had a good shot.
Speaker 1: I think he's probably the guy that think has one
Speaker 1: of the worst shots, because when you really think about it,
Speaker 1: like if if you're thinking Alfred Morris is going to
Speaker 1: be your primary backup, obviously Paula plays the role that
Speaker 1: he does, then you probably think, hey, if we like
Speaker 1: what we're seeing from Chun and we like what we're
Speaker 1: seeing from Webb, we keep one of those guys as
Speaker 1: a younger back, it kind of pushes Darius out of
Speaker 1: the door. So I think he's the one that, to me,
Speaker 1: is in the most precarious situation. Wos Alfred done so
Speaker 1: far here? Really not a lot? A lot? But that's
Speaker 1: because I have to no, No, I get it, I
Speaker 1: get it. Yes, he's been here before or two years
Speaker 1: and he's shown all that. But I guess my expectations
Speaker 1: with him coming back in that we would be talking
Speaker 1: a little more about him, and you know, and I
Speaker 1: don't know here what say we're talking about the other guys,
Speaker 1: but let's this is a thing, and you know, the
Speaker 1: NFL being a meritocracy, It's true but there's a lot
Speaker 1: of myth in that too. And if you look at
Speaker 1: what Alfred Morris is doing, they're slowly ramping him up
Speaker 1: and eat him in because they know he doesn't. They
Speaker 1: don't need to do that to him because they're like,
Speaker 1: we got we got him, like we can preserve him.
Speaker 1: Won him on week, seeing him in the preseason, we'll
Speaker 1: see him. Yeah, I definitely think he's gonna play at
Speaker 1: some point. I think so. Yeah, All right, wide receiver
Speaker 1: Jalen guyton Nick, what do you see from him? Um,
Speaker 1: he has flashed a few things every now and again.
Speaker 1: I this isn't really fair because I kind of was
Speaker 1: told yesterday that he is not. I was told yesterday
Speaker 1: that when we did our receiver rankings, uh, and we
Speaker 1: put him eight out of eleven, and I was told
Speaker 1: he was closer to eleven. So you know somebody that
Speaker 1: knows more than me about it and has watched him more,
Speaker 1: so I just thought, I just thought, well, I thought,
Speaker 1: you know that it's a guy they liked. So we didn't.
Speaker 1: And again though we didn't rank them based off of
Speaker 1: what they're doing out here, because Noah Brown ranked is
Speaker 1: ranked fifth. We we ranked them a baseball where they
Speaker 1: are so if and I still like it because if
Speaker 1: he goes out Guidon has a fifty two yard touchdown
Speaker 1: catch in the third quarter, we're gonna be talking about
Speaker 1: him and he dumps right back into the mix. So
Speaker 1: I you know, he hasn't been as good as some
Speaker 1: of the others, but um, they like him. And he's
Speaker 1: a big guy that can run. So if I had to,
Speaker 1: if my life was on the line and I needed
Speaker 1: somebody to run a go route and score a touchdown
Speaker 1: for me, he'd be among the guys out here. He'd
Speaker 1: be pretty close to the top of my list, maybe
Speaker 1: even the top. He's his speed is no joke, but
Speaker 1: he just doesn't look very polished. Usually when I watched
Speaker 1: the receivers, Sanjay Law is usually yelling at him about something,
Speaker 1: so very I think classic for an undrafted free agent
Speaker 1: rookie receiver. Like a lot of talent, not a lot
Speaker 1: of polish, you know, practice practice squad for him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he's Yes, he's a fast guy, but all
Speaker 1: these others speedy. But he's a guy I definitely to
Speaker 1: be on as I haven't seen him much, like I
Speaker 1: don't notice too much from him. I noticed him because
Speaker 1: I think it's Terence Terence, but even then I actually
Speaker 1: think it's Terry Glenn. That's gonna take you back. But
Speaker 1: that's what I keep thinking when I see him, because
Speaker 1: he kind of has that kind of build me anyway
Speaker 1: the way he looks when he's out there, but anyway
Speaker 1: ahead he catches the ball forty yards downfield like once
Speaker 1: per practice. But that's like all he does. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess I miss it every time because I don't
Speaker 1: really see him much. All right, let's go on tight
Speaker 1: end Blake Jarwin. Sorry, I just thought of something I
Speaker 1: said Terry Glenn. I was thinking about our list that
Speaker 1: we're working on with the tom Player. Yeah, we have
Speaker 1: Kelvin Martin at number eighty three. Oh, we're definitely gonna read.
Speaker 1: But by the way, David actually helped us with settle
Speaker 1: a debate yesterday. We were we're working on a project here.
Speaker 1: We could do a whole show on that. We really could,
Speaker 1: and actually we will. We're actually I'm waiting for you
Speaker 1: guys to finish the thing and put it together and
Speaker 1: then we will do it really good. He said. We
Speaker 1: should be filming this. It was Mickey and Brian. Micky
Speaker 1: and Brian we're gonna each other any different players daily occur,
Speaker 1: but Dave, Dave went to the you know sometimes, like
Speaker 1: in Who Wants to Be a Millionaire, you have to
Speaker 1: just pull the audience to help, you know, And twenty
Speaker 1: one it was like, who's the best twenty one in
Speaker 1: Cowboys history? And I mean I was kind of wondering
Speaker 1: why this was even a debate, But the fans came
Speaker 1: in and one in a landslade, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like, why are you guys even arguing this?
Speaker 1: Sanders at best cornerback in the history of the NFL,
Speaker 1: you had him on your team. We're going we're going
Speaker 1: off the rails here, But there's just a subsect of
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans who like, don't think you counted unless you
Speaker 1: played fifteen years here? Right, he was, he was. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we'll say that it's gonna be. It's fun and it's
Speaker 1: really been a great, you know, project that we were
Speaker 1: working on. So I don't know when we're gonna roll
Speaker 1: it out pretty soon here, all right? Tight end? Blake
Speaker 1: Jarlin thought you said I thought you said Dalton Schultz
Speaker 1: in the pre production meeting, I did, I say? Both? Okay? Cool,
Speaker 1: because I actually sent you. I showed you the list
Speaker 1: I saw Dalton I want to talk about and it's
Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, if you want to just
Speaker 1: talk about both of them together, you can't. But I
Speaker 1: had both of them. I guess the reason I even
Speaker 1: say it, I just Jarwin has been a pretty steady
Speaker 1: talking point here. Uh he's I think, so I mean that,
Speaker 1: and I can hit them both in. One thing is that,
Speaker 1: you know, I think a lot of people lump them
Speaker 1: together because they're both young there, they kind of came
Speaker 1: in at the same time. They have similar builds and
Speaker 1: all that, they're both they're both white, thank you, nick Um.
Speaker 1: But it's it's not I don't view it as a
Speaker 1: competition really into like, it's they're both making the team. Well,
Speaker 1: they're both making the team. And Jarwin is just very
Speaker 1: clearly to me a step or two or three above Schultz,
Speaker 1: just in terms of his all around game. He is
Speaker 1: always Witten's ahead of him, but he is always the
Speaker 1: first guy in when they do twelve personnel. He gets
Speaker 1: more run with the first team when Witten takes his
Speaker 1: VET day. Jarwin's the one um he looks, he looks athletic.
Speaker 1: He had a really nice touchdown catch from that. I
Speaker 1: am so excited at the amount of stuff they are
Speaker 1: doing in the seams. I feel like that has been
Speaker 1: something that has been lacking from the Cowboys offense forever,
Speaker 1: and Jarwin's doing it, Randall Cobb's doing it. Um. So
Speaker 1: he looks really good. Schultz. Ironically, me and Brian were
Speaker 1: talking yesterday about how like he needs to develop as
Speaker 1: a receiver, and then he went out and caught a
Speaker 1: touchdown past in seven on seven two. Um. He looks
Speaker 1: bigger and stronger, he looks a little more well rounded.
Speaker 1: But I just think the pecking order is pretty firmly
Speaker 1: established that he's three. Have you guys noticed anything with
Speaker 1: regards to those two guys and their their abilities to block,
Speaker 1: because that was probably the biggest knock on the on
Speaker 1: the tight end as a group last year. Have you
Speaker 1: seen anything from them that suggested maybe they've improved in
Speaker 1: that area. Well, I mean it's really tough to see that.
Speaker 1: There's just a couple of goal line periods and all that,
Speaker 1: but uh, you know the fact that they were they
Speaker 1: were out there in the goal line. I think I
Speaker 1: think we're going to see thirteen personnel quite a bit.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll love it. But they love it. They
Speaker 1: love it, and so it loved that half a year.
Speaker 1: If that happens, then then obviously they'll have the confidence
Speaker 1: that they can they can be blocked. Sucking. But I
Speaker 1: I you know, I think Schultz is very similar to
Speaker 1: me as as a Jeff Swain, a guy that had
Speaker 1: a first year he kind of got a little better, better, better,
Speaker 1: and then by the you know, a third or fourth year,
Speaker 1: he's going to be and he's supposed to be better
Speaker 1: than that. He's a fourth round pick, you know, from Stanford,
Speaker 1: so you should be able to pick it up quickly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he looks better. I don't know what that means. I
Speaker 1: don't know what his role is going to be. I
Speaker 1: hope to god they don't run a lot of thirteen personnel,
Speaker 1: but he does. I know what they do. You're right,
Speaker 1: I just that's I really because like jar, I mean,
Speaker 1: they're tight ends. They're big guys, but they're not like
Speaker 1: just you know, they're not massive, bulky dudes. I hope
Speaker 1: I hope Kellamore embraces the tight end as more of
Speaker 1: a receiving threat than a blocking one. But yeah, it
Speaker 1: might be wishful thinking. I'm excited about Blake if you
Speaker 1: care to know, he's about to move on. But then
Speaker 1: I see you there. No, But you know, starting from
Speaker 1: last year actually when Swain went out with the injury
Speaker 1: and then they start given Blademore opportunities, I think you
Speaker 1: started to see his growth. Even by the end of
Speaker 1: what was the last game where he actually shined the
Speaker 1: law where he was getting so many completions with Dak,
Speaker 1: you saw that growth. And to me, every time you
Speaker 1: see growth, that's exciting. So going into this year, I
Speaker 1: think he has taken advantage of that and really keeps
Speaker 1: showing it in camp. So I feel good about that
Speaker 1: position with him there now. As far as making flashy
Speaker 1: place all the time, I don't think that's necessarily gonna
Speaker 1: be him, but he would be a guy that I
Speaker 1: think you can at least rely on on certain situations.
Speaker 1: All Right, we're gonna take our final break. When we
Speaker 1: come back, I want to talk about the starting offensive
Speaker 1: lineman that we've talked at least about here during training camp,
Speaker 1: lay All Collins. We'll do that when we come right back.
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Speaker 1: Today Back to the Break, Welcome back. This is the
Speaker 1: final segment of the Break from Hawksnard, California. We're talking
Speaker 1: about players that you haven't heard a lot about on
Speaker 1: this show throughout training campus game called taught te Tell
Speaker 1: Me More. We've gone through an extensive list so far.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk next about Lyle Collins. Shout out to
Speaker 1: the Draft Show real quick, because all my Draft Show
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Speaker 1: Let's go a Lyle Collins talk to me about the
Speaker 1: uh the offensive tackle. What has he been doing out here? Um? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I gotta be by door in Starmstrong yesterday and he
Speaker 1: came back in one the other two battles, I didn't
Speaker 1: know that until you said it on the show because
Speaker 1: I was kind of getting blocked by the whole team,
Speaker 1: so I didn't see that that rep. But he won
Speaker 1: impressively those other two times. It was kind Oh, is
Speaker 1: that what we're doing? Okay? I think Lyle Collins is
Speaker 1: victimized by the talent that he is surrounded by, because Columbo,
Speaker 1: that's who he is. Although people forget he would have
Speaker 1: been a first round pick. Oh, no doubt, no doubt,
Speaker 1: forget that, I think, but I think been a bust.
Speaker 1: Not a bust, no chance, no way. It wouldn't been disappointment. Probably.
Speaker 1: I don't think a disappointment. I think he would have
Speaker 1: been if he had been a top ten pick his
Speaker 1: career to this point, you would probably consider him a disappointment. Really,
Speaker 1: he hasn't been to a Pro Bowl, and I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean that's the standard around here. Offensive line. No,
Speaker 1: I mean you can't take them all. I mean there's
Speaker 1: something to be said for having the name Cache as
Speaker 1: a first round pick. I mean, yeah, that probably matters.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to call Lyle Collins a disappointment. My
Speaker 1: point is Lyle Collins shares a line with two guys
Speaker 1: who will have good cases to make the Hall of Fame. Yes,
Speaker 1: and we have we have one that I think is
Speaker 1: probably already close to being in Zach. Yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: just five years and three gending on what Frederick does.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. You know, we've been I've been watching from
Speaker 1: the time I got here. Tyrn Smith looked terrible the
Speaker 1: first time I got here because DeMarcus Ware just abused
Speaker 1: him for a summer, and ever since then it's just
Speaker 1: been effortless dominance. So, like, my idea of a left
Speaker 1: tackle is just this athletic super freak who it is
Speaker 1: amazing when he gets beaten. So when you compare Lyell
Speaker 1: to that, you're like, oh, he's not that good. In reality,
Speaker 1: he's pretty damn good. He's just he's probably not gonna
Speaker 1: make it to the Hall of Fame. That's just is
Speaker 1: what it is. But he is a he's a solid starter,
Speaker 1: he gets beaten, he's he's definitely not perfect um, but
Speaker 1: he is above average. I mean, most teams in the NFL,
Speaker 1: other than like the Eagles and the Chiefs would be
Speaker 1: thrilled to have him right tackle. That's exactly right. And
Speaker 1: that's why I say I don't think he's a disappointment. No,
Speaker 1: like his play is not a disappointments. He has played.
Speaker 1: He is an above average right tackle, and I think
Speaker 1: he will be paid like one. This has worked out
Speaker 1: well for him because of what happened, and he was
Speaker 1: able to to, you know, join the Cowboys in a
Speaker 1: very talented line. But what my point is is that
Speaker 1: he was drafted that high. You don't play him obviously,
Speaker 1: you don't PLAYM at right tackle. He play M at
Speaker 1: left tackle, and then would he have been able to
Speaker 1: you know, that's where he might have been a disappointment
Speaker 1: a little bit. But maybe he flourishes. Though I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, maybe maybe he's better at left tack. Then again,
Speaker 1: he's been a guard, he's been a right tackle, He's
Speaker 1: been back and forth. I mean, what is he I
Speaker 1: was drafted tenth overall. He would have a different body
Speaker 1: type than he has now. He would be a lot leaner.
Speaker 1: He would be playing on that left side to justify
Speaker 1: the ten twenty million dollar contract that he received, and
Speaker 1: I think he would probably be a better I do wonder, though,
Speaker 1: I know the left tackle will always be important because
Speaker 1: it's the blindside of most NFL quarterbacks, but like it
Speaker 1: seems like that doesn't matter as much as it used
Speaker 1: to kind of the same reason. You know, half of
Speaker 1: the best ends in the league play left end now,
Speaker 1: and so I'll never forget in seventeen, like poor Lyle,
Speaker 1: like his first season out there, he had to play Vaughan,
Speaker 1: he had to play Mac. He always has to play Karagan, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, he once told me, he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Max great, m Max awesome. Von is tough, Like they're
Speaker 1: all really good, but the toughest guy I deal with
Speaker 1: year and year out is Karagan because he is he's
Speaker 1: not and he's like, yeah, he's really talented, he's really good,
Speaker 1: and he's relentless, like he plays every rep of every
Speaker 1: game as though it's his last always, and it's a nightmare.
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, I wouldn't have guessed that, because
Speaker 1: you know, Mac and Vaughan get all the headlines, so
Speaker 1: it's hard over there. And I mean, Lane Johnson at
Speaker 1: this point in his career is a better player than
Speaker 1: Jason Peters, but he plays right tackle because it's important too,
Speaker 1: So I don't know how much I buy that. But
Speaker 1: if Lyle Collins had been a first round pick his
Speaker 1: resume right now, you would consider it disappointing. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's harsh, but I think it's true. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: think about how he's played. He's had some moments that
Speaker 1: have been not so great, but I think he's played
Speaker 1: pretty well in a lot of moments. So I think
Speaker 1: from that's being said again, I wouldn't be disappointed. Now,
Speaker 1: is he like on the level with those other guys?
Speaker 1: I would say this if he was drafted tenth overall,
Speaker 1: Like Nick said, he probably is on another team. He's
Speaker 1: probably the best offensive lineman on that team, which means
Speaker 1: that he probably, in my opinion, probably gets a different
Speaker 1: reputation because all offensive linemen are going to get beat
Speaker 1: from time to time. Sure he has a different reputation
Speaker 1: and maybe that gets into a Pro Bowl, and so
Speaker 1: it's not the same thing. All I know is the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. And let's go back to twenty ten. The
Speaker 1: first round pick is the leading touchdown receiver in team history.
Speaker 1: Twenty eleven is a left five time All Pro left
Speaker 1: tackle who might be going to Hall of Fame. Okay,
Speaker 1: twelve wasn't so good. Thirteen is a perennial All Pro
Speaker 1: fourteens going to the Hall of Fame, fifteens in All Pro,
Speaker 1: seventeen in our sixteens in All Pro. My point, however,
Speaker 1: the standard here for a first round pick is absurd
Speaker 1: up until last year. You can say that about the cornerback,
Speaker 1: right sure. So, so my point is, like you keep
Speaker 1: letting this thing to him. His career is not let
Speaker 1: this thing developed. I think what we've seen so far
Speaker 1: to me is again not a disappointment. You wanted to
Speaker 1: be a little bit better, but that's the nature of
Speaker 1: all these guys. You wanted to get a little bit
Speaker 1: better every year, not remotely disappointing. And so your police
Speaker 1: with with the position, positions change when they switched into
Speaker 1: this position, remember when he should he be We're gonna
Speaker 1: sign him? Oh oh no, no, no, it's not because
Speaker 1: that's the problem. The dude, the dude, and new I
Speaker 1: keep going back to Trent Brown. Lyle Collins is just
Speaker 1: as good as Trent Brown, and trimp Brown got seventy
Speaker 1: million dollars. They can't afford him. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I said this about Terrence Williams, and I was wrong.
Speaker 1: But Lyle Collins is a much better player than Terrence
Speaker 1: Williams had a much more important position. So I really
Speaker 1: don't think I'm going to be wrong this, and he
Speaker 1: deserves to get paid if he plays this year like
Speaker 1: he's him playing, or even better, he's gonna deserve to
Speaker 1: get paid. And the Cowboys just can't pay everybody. I
Speaker 1: don't think maybe they can figure it out. I just
Speaker 1: don't think they can pay him. There are people who
Speaker 1: think that they should try to trade him to upgrade
Speaker 1: other parts because the offensive line is so talented, and
Speaker 1: I just think I think that's compensatory. I'll take that. Now,
Speaker 1: give me the compensatory and give me the very very
Speaker 1: good right tackle who can help me compete this season,
Speaker 1: because I don't I'm not ready to move Connor Williams
Speaker 1: out there and deal with all that right now with you,
Speaker 1: all right, Safety Darien Thompson, what have you seen? Not much?
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean he hasn't have been doing things.
Speaker 1: I just he doesn't He plays with the with the
Speaker 1: twos right well, he started well at the beginning of camp.
Speaker 1: He was running with the ones while Xavier was out.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's been running with the twos. Classic case,
Speaker 1: classic case of the guy that the coaching staff likes
Speaker 1: a lot more than us. And I'm not saying we
Speaker 1: don't like him, but we're like, well, yeah, what's he do.
Speaker 1: I feel pretty confident if you pulled Chris Richard or
Speaker 1: Keith a Quanta side, they'd be like, this guy's awesome,
Speaker 1: Like he gets it, he does this, he does that,
Speaker 1: And that's it's the disconnect between. You know, we see
Speaker 1: a lot and we have informed opinions, but we don't
Speaker 1: really know, you know, in terms of like what they're
Speaker 1: asking these guys to do, how much, how many teams
Speaker 1: they can play on. I feel good about his odds
Speaker 1: of making the team. I saw him making nice playing
Speaker 1: coverage the other day, and I think he can provide
Speaker 1: something on special teams. And the thing about the safety position,
Speaker 1: I think out here, in a lot of ways, what
Speaker 1: the coaches probably evaluate is different than what we see.
Speaker 1: Because sure, they're looking at how often is he in
Speaker 1: the right place where he's supposed to be so that
Speaker 1: if it's a live game, he makes the play right
Speaker 1: because you can't blow somebody up, you can't hit him,
Speaker 1: can't necessarily make the tackle out here, But they're trying
Speaker 1: to see is he making the right reads, is he
Speaker 1: getting himself in the right position. Is he where he
Speaker 1: should be? And I think from the things I've kind
Speaker 1: of seen, I think they're probably pretty happy with that
Speaker 1: right now, based upon what they've seen from him so
Speaker 1: far through camp. I thought John Kittena made a great
Speaker 1: point yesterday he was talking to reporters. He was like,
Speaker 1: you know, the media is great, like y'all bring so
Speaker 1: many people to the game. You do this, you do that.
Speaker 1: But like in this day and age where y'all can
Speaker 1: break down every single throw, DAK makes like you got
Speaker 1: people losing their minds about training camp throws where you know,
Speaker 1: you don't know what we're telling them to do. Like
Speaker 1: we the point might be to be doing something goofy
Speaker 1: to see what happens, Like we want to try this strow,
Speaker 1: let's see work. You just don't know where you try.
Speaker 1: And so, like I said, we can learn a lot
Speaker 1: with how much we're out here, but we'll never know
Speaker 1: the whole story. That's why I remember a preseason game
Speaker 1: a few years back, I mean several years Parcels was
Speaker 1: here and it was like third and four or third
Speaker 1: and five from the thirty five yard line, and they
Speaker 1: ran the ball right up the middle and it was
Speaker 1: just like a one or two yard game, and it
Speaker 1: was like, what was that? And Parcels later said he
Speaker 1: was like, I don't care about them getting the first down.
Speaker 1: I want to see if Billy Kunduff can make a
Speaker 1: fifty one yard field goal. That's what I want to see.
Speaker 1: I don't want to see if we get down and
Speaker 1: score to the I've seen all that. I want to
Speaker 1: see him kick at one yard field goal. So I
Speaker 1: made a fifty one yard field goal, you know. And
Speaker 1: so it's things like like you're saying, I mean he goes.
Speaker 1: He also said things like, you know, like we we
Speaker 1: don't need um, we don't need to see dad, you know,
Speaker 1: like you need to see him. You're trying to compare
Speaker 1: him to game situations and we you know, like you said,
Speaker 1: we want him throwing the ball over here to create
Speaker 1: this and that. So Ever you think Darian Thompson has
Speaker 1: a legitimate shot to make this team at safety, I
Speaker 1: was about to ask you, guys, what is his experience again?
Speaker 1: He's actually he's a pretty hefty draft pick. Like I
Speaker 1: want to say, he was a second or third by
Speaker 1: the New York Giants. Yeah, it was it was three
Speaker 1: or four years ago at this point, like he's he
Speaker 1: kicked around. He like he actually had a season as
Speaker 1: a as a starter, Like he started a lot of
Speaker 1: games for them his either rookie or second year. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to pull it up on him. So knowing that,
Speaker 1: I mean shooting, he be a little further along as
Speaker 1: far as he's playing. He was also let go by
Speaker 1: the Giants right twenty sixteen draft pick. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: he thinks so, I mean he was a high draft pick,
Speaker 1: but I mean seventy seventy first overall pick, third round
Speaker 1: New York Giants sixteen, started all sixteen games in seventeen,
Speaker 1: didn't do anything particularly special, and they let him go
Speaker 1: after that. So yeah, disappointing stint with them. Obviously has
Speaker 1: the talent to be a top one hundred pick. I
Speaker 1: don't know what I mean to the head of that.
Speaker 1: I mean, my only hope isn't Chris Rashar and what
Speaker 1: he can do. We always talking about him, and he's
Speaker 1: proven to be a great coach and he's proven that
Speaker 1: he can develop guys. So I'm just hoping Chris Rushar
Speaker 1: is able to help out these safeties to get to
Speaker 1: where they need to be. To be ready for the
Speaker 1: season and see who makes it out. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: I think they. I think they like Darian Tops. I
Speaker 1: think he's a guy who used to keep your eye on.
Speaker 1: I think he's guy that makes this team. But I
Speaker 1: think they actually really like him, so we'll see. Let's
Speaker 1: turn to the final guy on the list. Uh, let's
Speaker 1: start with you, Amber. What do you think about pun
Speaker 1: of Chris Jones? What has he done out here? You
Speaker 1: know what? It's funny, Well not really, but I feel
Speaker 1: that after Dan Bailey left, a part of him kind
Speaker 1: of left too. Okay, No, like, I see where you're going. Honestly,
Speaker 1: the reason why I laughed is because I kind of
Speaker 1: thought the same thing. Like I was like, oh here,
Speaker 1: Dan's departure took away. So I don't know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but it took something away that's his buddy. But um no,
Speaker 1: we saw a little declined last year. And I know
Speaker 1: he's a guy You've talked about a lot, Dave, and
Speaker 1: you've praised him a lot, and that is a position
Speaker 1: that me personally, I don't necessarily notice that much or
Speaker 1: pay that much attention to until last year when I
Speaker 1: started seen those change. I'm like Okay, something seems a
Speaker 1: little off here. So right now, what I've seen so far,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't really know how to feel. I'm
Speaker 1: ready for a real game to see how he plays out,
Speaker 1: But as of right now, I really don't necessarily have
Speaker 1: a fully battally shown on him. I'll tell you this,
Speaker 1: it is a hard position to evaluate from field level.
Speaker 1: That's one thing I've learned is that he's standing back there,
Speaker 1: he booms the kick, and I mean they I mean,
Speaker 1: unless it's a terrible shank, which he's maybe had one
Speaker 1: shank this whole time. You're just like, well, I think
Speaker 1: that went about forty yards, But I don't really have
Speaker 1: the level of sight to tell exactly what the yard
Speaker 1: was unless he just kicks the Bejesus out of it,
Speaker 1: which he's done. He has done that a couple times,
Speaker 1: where like Reggie Davis is on the twenty and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden he's running back to the goal line.
Speaker 1: He's done that two or three times. Yesterday he had
Speaker 1: a really nice one. It was like vintage Chris Jones.
Speaker 1: It bounced on like the eight and just bounced right
Speaker 1: out of bounce. I was like, yeah, do that every time? Um, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I was driving that train. He should have
Speaker 1: made the Pro Bowl in twenty sixteen. Last year was
Speaker 1: it was a dip. He didn't down as many punts
Speaker 1: inside the twenty. He gave up way more. I mean,
Speaker 1: and I think it was sixteen that he gave up
Speaker 1: like eight return yards the entire seat. It was incredible
Speaker 1: and that just wasn't the case last year. So he
Speaker 1: looks fine. It's hard to gauge when you're standing on
Speaker 1: the field like that, but he looks he looks solid.
Speaker 1: I guess his big well either. Like they said, it's
Speaker 1: really tough to see that right now. And what's tricky
Speaker 1: about punters is that you got about a four yard
Speaker 1: window of having a good punt or a bad punt
Speaker 1: if you're at the midfield, and those are the critical ones.
Speaker 1: Is the midfield punt, it's like, you know what, we
Speaker 1: could go for it or we need to pin them back.
Speaker 1: You need to get the ball about the eight or
Speaker 1: nine yard line, and that's where the returners like, I
Speaker 1: better fair catch this. But if it goes to the five,
Speaker 1: they're gonna let it go and it probably will bounce
Speaker 1: in if it goes a little bit shorter. And then
Speaker 1: you're catching it at the eleven or twelve, you may
Speaker 1: return it and it's not really pinning them back so much.
Speaker 1: So it's a very It's not as easy as it sounds.
Speaker 1: I mean that that knuckleball kick it needs to go
Speaker 1: at like the eight or nine yard line every time,
Speaker 1: just fair catch it catch at the eight or nine.
Speaker 1: And now we're talking about a different set of plays
Speaker 1: that the offense calls. So it's an important position. I
Speaker 1: don't think he did it as well as he did
Speaker 1: last year so as he has in previous years. So
Speaker 1: maybe that's that's something that they're working on. But also
Speaker 1: let's not forget I know what people think it's nothing,
Speaker 1: but he's a really good holder. He and that's important,
Speaker 1: whole operations, whole understanding it where ilp he's gonna bring it,
Speaker 1: how to put it down. We've never really seen any
Speaker 1: issues there. I don't know if there's ever been any
Speaker 1: issues holding in any NFL you know game for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys that they ever had. Well, you have to bring
Speaker 1: that up. Happens from time to time. All Right, we
Speaker 1: appreciate you, guys. Jonnis. We are back tomorrow on normal time. Sorry,
Speaker 1: we had a little late start. Today. We'll be back
Speaker 1: on time tomorrow. Until then for Nick even tabe home
Speaker 1: and regards. See. I'm Derek Eagelson. This has been the
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