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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Cool Peoplehood Cool Stuff, the podcast

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Speaker 1: about all the cool people in history who did cool stuff.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and with me today is

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Speaker 1: the one and only Max Collins, who might not be

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Speaker 1: the only Max Collins is probably a bunch of Max

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Speaker 1: collins is. There's probably a few. Okay, are you Are

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Speaker 1: you aware of any other Max Collins? Is it like

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Speaker 1: a Highlander thing? I'm not, but my my dad's name

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Speaker 1: is Michael Collins, and um, yeah, yeah he was. For

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Speaker 1: a while there. He was like getting stopped and flagged

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Speaker 1: on flights because like people thought that you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't know that name. Yeah, yeah, that he was the

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Speaker 1: iras Yeah exactly, so he would have to be pulled

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Speaker 1: aside and made sure he wasn't you know an IRA guy?

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, who just is a litch and still alive.

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Speaker 1: Actually okay, Well, for anyone who's listening, you might know

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Speaker 1: Max Collins as the son of the Revolutionary i ra

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Speaker 1: A leader Michael Cotton. No. Um, you might know Max

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Speaker 1: Collins as the from the band Eve six um, or

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Speaker 1: you might know him from ship posts on Twitter. Max,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing today? I'm doing well. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on. Yeah. Um. We also have

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Speaker 1: Sophie on the call. Who's our producer, Sophie. How are

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Speaker 1: you doing? I'm doing well, Margaret, Thank you for asking.

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Speaker 1: All right, no one ever asks me how I'm doing.

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Speaker 1: So are you doing, Margaret? I'm good. I'm really excited.

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Speaker 1: I had a whole twenty minute conversation with you off Mike.

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Speaker 1: I know how you are, that's true. Margaret's well. Okay, listeners,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm doing so good today that I get to

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Speaker 1: talk about I'm literally wearing the shirt of today's topic.

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Speaker 1: So today wearing You're wearing the merch to the show,

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Speaker 1: so to speak. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So today we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about a one hit wonder from the nineties. This

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Speaker 1: is not normally a music podcast, but I hope you

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Speaker 1: allill indulge me. It's gonna be worth it. Max. Have

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Speaker 1: you ever heard of a band called Jumbo Womba? Sure?

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Speaker 1: Have yep? So okay, completely have you have you like

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Speaker 1: played with them or anything like that? Am I talking

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Speaker 1: about like your friends? I have no idea what you

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Speaker 1: know about this? No, I've never I've never met them. Um,

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Speaker 1: I know the singer whose name I'm blanking on now.

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Speaker 1: A lot of singers Boff Whalley, h Bruce. Well, nope.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm going to be really embarrassed that I don't

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Speaker 1: remember the name of the people that I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: talking about because I can't remember names. Well, I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can't either, um, but yeah, the main dude. After

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Speaker 1: I did um, I was interviewed for mel uh piece

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Speaker 1: written by Magdalene forgetting her last name now alright, p Mel,

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Speaker 1: I think that's no longer a magazine, but yeah, and

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Speaker 1: and apparently he liked it, asked for my email and stuff,

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Speaker 1: was going to reach out, but I never I never

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Speaker 1: got an email from the man who I'm disrespecting by

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Speaker 1: not being able to remember. It's more embarrassing for me

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Speaker 1: because this is literally a script about him. Um, and

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Speaker 1: I just incapable. For anyone who's like, wow, Margaret sure

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Speaker 1: because I write it down when I researched things, and

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Speaker 1: to Dunston Bruce, Yes, yes, that name that I also remembered.

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Speaker 1: For anyone who is either too young or successfully lived

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Speaker 1: under a rock. During the late nineties, there was this

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Speaker 1: song called tub Thumping and it's about drinking and falling

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Speaker 1: over and then not being falling over anymore. And it

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Speaker 1: was fucking everywhere. Uh, and I fucking hated it. Um.

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Speaker 1: I was in high school and I was busy setting

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Speaker 1: myself up as someone who hated everything that was popular,

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Speaker 1: and that was my original introduction to Chumba Womba. Then okay,

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Speaker 1: bristle with antagonism when you heard it if you were

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Speaker 1: and present to the world. Um did that? You know?

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Speaker 1: Did did that person not like Chumba womb Because I

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Speaker 1: know with radio rock of the nineties, you know, like

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Speaker 1: if tub Thumping or like Hey, Jealousy or even some

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Speaker 1: for everything, right. I don't know if I could go

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Speaker 1: though it was affectatious that I refused everything that was like.

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Speaker 1: So I started learning more about the band, and they've

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Speaker 1: They were an anarcho punk collective. Selling out was this

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Speaker 1: calculated move to reach more people, sustained themselves and just

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Speaker 1: give a fuck ton of money away to political projects

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Speaker 1: working to destroy capitalism. I found out that they started

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Speaker 1: how to sing. They lasted for thirty years. They toward

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Speaker 1: the world. They pranked everyone, They got arrested again and again.

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Speaker 1: They squatted a house, they worked collectively, they took in runaways,

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Speaker 1: to make really fucking good music. And so I will

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Speaker 1: present to you my hypothesis that Chumba Womba is the

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Speaker 1: single punkus thing to have ever happened. And no offense

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Speaker 1: to me and no offense to you, Max, But that

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Speaker 1: is my hypothesis that I'm working off of cool. A

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Speaker 1: wonder if Crass is gonna come and yell at me,

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Speaker 1: But you know, whatever weren't. Isn't there a cross over there?

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Speaker 1: I feel like maybe there's an ex member of Crass

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Speaker 1: good way, the chumba Wanba story. Yeah, and I'm how

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Speaker 1: I'm glad I got over myself. That's the subtext, Margaret

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Speaker 1: over herself. We start our story in Burnley, somewhere, some

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Speaker 1: is the best I've ever heard it described. And Burnley,

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Speaker 1: more about his childhood than anyone else's because he wrote

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Speaker 1: about him. He was a Mormon as a teenager. His

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Speaker 1: there were British Mormons. Well, so he's the only one

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Speaker 1: was sixteen for being trans Like does he have class privilege?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, because fucking fucking homeless kid when he

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Speaker 1: was sixt you know, Yeah, No, these are class traders. Yeah. Yeah,

425
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 1: and speaking of class traders in the opposite direction, this

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Speaker 1: show is supported by advertisers, and this is pointing out

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Speaker 1: that well, actually here, well we'll have good advertisers this time.

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Speaker 1: So so this show whenever possibly try to be sponsored

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Speaker 1: by very positive things like my my favorite perennial is uh, well,

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Speaker 1: actually it's a season, it's a it's an annual crop.

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Speaker 1: But potatoes, the concept of potatoes is what I like

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Speaker 1: to be sponsored by because I think potatoes are very good.

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Speaker 1: We've also had other sponsors such as sleeping dogs. Um, Sophie,

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Speaker 1: what are some of the what are our what are

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Speaker 1: some of our repeating? A really good calm drinkable tap water? Um,

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Speaker 1: A pillow that always stays cool. Oh I like that one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's good. Yeah. So is there anyone that you

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Speaker 1: would like to be sponsored by in this and uh

439
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Speaker 1: for this show, like something that's just you feel good about? Yeah? Um,

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Speaker 1: I'd like to be sponsored by conceptual Kindness and aspirational Love.

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00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 1: All right, So this show is sponsored only by Conceptual Kindness,

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Speaker 1: Aspirational Love, and Sleeping Dogs. And if there's any other

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Speaker 1: advertisers that you hear that is a problem and you

444
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Speaker 1: should write to Sophie on Twitter at I right, okay

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Speaker 1: and complain and we are back from those ads are

446
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Speaker 1: ray okay. So so as important to the music that

447
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 1: they're around at this time, the things that are inspiring

448
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 1: them is also the radical politics at the time. They're

449
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 1: involved in the anti nuclear movement. It's like peace movement

450
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: against the Falkland Wars, which I literally only know about

451
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: because of eighties punk. You know, the American education system

452
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,160
Speaker 1: wasn't like really big on the wars of the only

453
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Speaker 1: a century of UM England. And Margaret Thatcher is coming

454
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Speaker 1: to power, who again I only know about through punk,

455
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: but it was a yeah, not a popular person in

456
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Speaker 1: the punk scene in UM. Basically, Margaret Thatcher is this

457
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: right wing asshole who gives Margaret's a bad name everywhere

458
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Speaker 1: and was Prime Minister of the whole of the eighties.

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Speaker 1: And then there's Crass And if I ever become a

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Speaker 1: music podcast then Crass will end up on it. But

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Speaker 1: unlike some other like kind of would be radicals at

462
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: the time who would like quote the situations but not

463
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: really mean it, Crass like was the opposite. They like

464
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: they meant it about politics, specifically like anarchist pacifism, and

465
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: they there are this collective of x hippies and punks

466
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: who redefined punk music for better and worse. Musically, um, politically,

467
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Speaker 1: I think they're great, although I'm not a pacifist but whatever.

468
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 1: But like you know, they change punk punk's direction in

469
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Speaker 1: a lot of ways, and they tied into direct action

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Speaker 1: in the peace movement. And the point of me bringing

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Speaker 1: up crosses so I can tell you, and I guess

472
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 1: accidentally the audience the most embarrassing punk thing I've ever done,

473
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Speaker 1: which was that, um, one time, me and two of

474
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Speaker 1: my friends started an acoustic cross cover band with the cello,

475
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: accordion and guitar, and we were so we were so

476
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Speaker 1: let's say good, we're so good at this that not

477
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: only did we get kicked out of the bar that

478
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: we were playing that we had been booked to play,

479
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 1: the entire convention that booked us to play this bar

480
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: got kicked out of the bar. They were like, you know,

481
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Speaker 1: we don't want you here anymore, even though you paid

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Speaker 1: to be here. And yeah, and actually the the cellist

483
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Speaker 1: of that is the person who did our theme music

484
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: on Woman. She's actually a very good cellist and his

485
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: my fault that the band was terrible anyway, very proud

486
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Speaker 1: of this. Have you, uh do you have any worst

487
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Speaker 1: terrible things that you've managed to do in this vein

488
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Speaker 1: curious thanks for second year. I mean in terms of

489
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: like mortifying moments on stage. Yeah, one leaps to mind,

490
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: which is going to be really funny contextually here, because

491
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: but we we did. My band EAP six did a

492
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Speaker 1: co headlining tour with the band gold Finger and the

493
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Speaker 1: year two thousand or two one. And you know gold

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Speaker 1: Finger by comparison to EEP six, which is, you know,

495
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: a radio and the bands um two public perception. Um,

496
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 1: you know, gold Finger was a pump, and so we

497
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 1: would go on every night usually like a handful of

498
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: middle fingers or like you know, gold Finger, who's a

499
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Speaker 1: real punk band, and you're six x and you know

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00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: your radio rock you suck and um you know this

501
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 1: was in my drinking days. Uh so you know I

502
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 1: was I was hitting the stage you know, with anywhere

503
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Speaker 1: between like sort of a buzz to being like pretty

504
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: substantially loaded, and um so this one night, I think

505
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Speaker 1: we were actually in Salt Lake City and this one

506
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: dude just wasn't putting his middle finger down and it

507
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,239
Speaker 1: was really and it was really grinding my gears. So

508
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Speaker 1: I was like I kind of vacuumed him up to

509
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Speaker 1: the front of the stage, like you, I like, come here, uh,

510
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: And so he did. He came up to the front

511
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Speaker 1: of the stage and I had like three quarters of

512
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Speaker 1: behind akin that was like next to my microphone, and

513
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: and I dumped it on his head. I just emptied

514
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: the entire thing, this guy said, and and that wants

515
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,719
Speaker 1: people over, you know, yeah, because now you're real punks, right,

516
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: because now I'm real punk, I like, you know, and uh.

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Speaker 1: And in so like I sauntered back to center stage.

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00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: We had a bass player out with us at the time,

519
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: so I was just being like douchebag singer guy. And

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Speaker 1: you know, we start a song and I put my

521
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: foot on the wedge like a rock god and promptly

522
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: slipped because like I got to some of the beer

523
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: on either the wedge or the bottom of my foot,

524
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: so super slippery, and I slipped and ate ships like

525
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: I fell all the way down to the ground. It

526
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: was the most like instantaneous karmic retribution I've ever experienced.

527
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: That is perfect. Yeah, yeah, it sucked, but you know,

528
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: it also felt kind of deserved. So it's like, you know,

529
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: I'll take this one on the chin. Yeah, I mean

530
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: like both things are perfectly good, you know, like both

531
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: things just make a better story. Like both things are fine.

532
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: Everyone who went was like too crazy things happened tonight,

533
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: you know, yeah yeah yeah. So some some of Chumba

534
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: one Ba buy a school bus with a few older punks,

535
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: like mid twenties punks, and they make the decision to

536
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: buy the bus pretty much because the guys selling it

537
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: had six six six in his phone number, and they

538
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: fix up the bus. They head off to Europe to

539
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: to bum around in a bus, and they bust enough

540
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: money for food and fuel. They park every night at

541
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Speaker 1: the outskirts of town. They had bonfires and argued about politics.

542
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: They played impromptu shows to people who did not give

543
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Speaker 1: a ship at all, Like they would just like show

544
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Speaker 1: up at a cafe and like pull instruments out of

545
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Speaker 1: the bus and play and everyone's like, what the fund

546
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: is happening? This sucks. Sometimes they would just put on

547
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: a cassette recording of music and pretend to play along

548
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: on tennis rackets like as guitars, and all the people

549
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: on the bus took on ridiculous punk names like don

550
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: Quixote and Mad Hatter and legal Aid. It's awesome. I

551
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: love the conversions here of like, um, hippie aesthetics with

552
00:30:55,800 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: punk ones. You know, yeah exactly, you got the reappropriated bus. Yeah,

553
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: you know, bonfires and stuff it, you know, almost distinctions

554
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: without difference when you prepare them to Yeah, yeah, no, totally,

555
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: And like the whole thing just sounds like everything I

556
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: dreamed of doing when I was a teenager, you know.

557
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: But the ten people crammed into the bus, they start

558
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: to lose their minds. One of them decides he's Jesus.

559
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: Fun arguments turn into not fun arguments. The bus keeps

560
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: breaking down and they have to hustle like hell for

561
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: spare parts and gas. One one guy gets off the

562
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: bus and France said, literally no one has ever seen

563
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: him again. Um, one by one everyone was it the guy?

564
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: I wondered if it was the guy who decided he

565
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: was Jesus. That seems the most likely. Yeah, although don

566
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: Quixote and Matt Hatter are fully up there as also

567
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: born also born travelers. Yeah, and you know, one by

568
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: when everyone leaves, and to be honest, this sounds like

569
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: most of the times I've done. Basically this like travel

570
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: around in a bus where people are like, well, we're

571
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,479
Speaker 1: gonna have this great communal experience. Then one by one

572
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: everyone's like, I want my own life by yeah. So

573
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Speaker 1: the three lads of Chumbawemba who are on the bus

574
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: at this point, they go and they pick and they

575
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: go pick grapes in the south of France and they

576
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: decide they're not getting paid enough and they're young anarchists,

577
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: so they go on strike. So they get fired um

578
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: and then they go home to England and four of

579
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: them move into a squat in Leeds and it's called

580
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: the South View House and it's this huge Victorian red

581
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: brick almost mansion in a state of near collapse. It

582
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,719
Speaker 1: was falling apart when they moved in. It had been

583
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: squatted on and off for a long time. There's an

584
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: overturned black Volkswagen Beetle in the middle of the garden.

585
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: Scavengers have been all over it. They've stolen everything worth stealing,

586
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: down to the the door knobs and the floorboards have

587
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: been stolen out of this house. It has never occurred

588
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: to me that floor boards have value value and the

589
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: banisters they steal the banisters and the furniture. Not Chumbawemba

590
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: whoever had been there before. Yeah. The guy actually who

591
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: had been the most immediately previous squatter had just moved

592
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: out and so decided it was free to move in.

593
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: Was a guy who only ate avocados and wore a

594
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: loincloth and followed a religion called Life Wave, which I

595
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: tried to learn more. Yeah, I try to learn more

596
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: about Life Wave, but unfortunately not available through Google. So

597
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: usually when I say that, Sophie looks something up in

598
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: about thirty seconds and then schools me on it. Um.

599
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: So they move in and they start fixing everything up.

600
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: They dump all their money and time into the house.

601
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: They learn electrical and plumbing and all of that ship

602
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: in the process. They although by the end they they're

603
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: in this house for like ten or ten years or

604
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: more by the end then, and it's no, it's no

605
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: small feat at that time to learn electrical and plumbing.

606
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: It's not like you're going videos, No, that's a good

607
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: check books from a library. Yeah, and finding some old

608
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: guy who kind of hates you because you're a hippie

609
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: and being like, hey, can you teach me how to

610
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: fix this thing? Yeah? Yeah. No, that's a good point

611
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: because I'm like, oh, I can do a lot of

612
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: that stuff, and I'm like, I watch YouTube every night.

613
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: I like, this is what I do to decompress as

614
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: I watch people rewire things and say rewire things now,

615
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: so far, so good. By the end, they claim that

616
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: the house is held together by the yellow paint on

617
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: the walls, like the cracks. They just paint over with

618
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: yellow paint, over and over. Within a year, there's nine

619
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: of them living there, including a bunch of their old

620
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: punk friends from Burnley, Alice Nutter and Lou who end

621
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 1: up in Chumbawamba pretty much its whole thirty year run

622
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,479
Speaker 1: as an actual band. And Alice Nutter She's named after

623
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: a woman who had been murdered for witchcraft and I

624
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: believe Northern England hundreds of years earlier. They live communally.

625
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: They pull their money, they shoplift what they need. They

626
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: pay off Alice's crime debt because when she first moved in,

627
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: she had committed a bunch of like felony level fraud

628
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: and they had to pay it all off collectively, which

629
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: is very nice of everyone. I think it's awesome. Alice

630
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: later refers to this house is the first place that

631
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: she ever felt secure, the first home that she had,

632
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: you know, and I doubt she was the only one

633
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: who felt that way. Just found her quote about it.

634
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: Um not everyone in the house joins the house band Chambawamba,

635
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: but most of them did. And it's kind of interesting,

636
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: right because this is now I'm totally off script, but

637
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of interesting right because, like on the bus,

638
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: it's this classic hippie dream and it kind of just

639
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: seems like it goes terribly but this house, they they

640
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: pull it off. You know, it doesn't last forever. Nothing

641
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: last forever, but they do pull this off. Everyone cooks,

642
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: everyone cleans. Everyone sort of collectively gave garden in a shot,

643
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: but then failed to grow potatoes. It's not even me

644
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: making a potato joke like it usually is. Uh, they

645
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 1: tried to grow potatoes and they got blite, and everyone's like,

646
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: you know, it's actually easier to buy bulk food. Let's

647
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: just buy bulk. They run a printing press, I believe,

648
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: in their basement and start publishing anarchist pamphlets. They rescue

649
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 1: a dog and make him their mascot. They went vegan

650
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: to various levels of strictness. Again, this is the early eighties.

651
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: For a brief and terrible moment. This is this is

652
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: me making a potato reference for no good reason. For

653
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: a brief and terrible moment. One of them, Dan goes

654
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: on a strict diet that precludes potatoes because he got

655
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: mashed and now he got mashed potatoes in his ear

656
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: from a food fight and he had to go to

657
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: the doctor. And I got really sick from this, like infected.

658
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: I love these people so much, saying my heart is swelling,

659
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: and so he gets because I'm just like super strict

660
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: all natural diet. And then eventually he gives up and

661
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: goes back to whatever else he was seating, and they

662
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,439
Speaker 1: start watching their neighbors kids after school, and years later,

663
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: still in the squatted house, two of them have kids

664
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: their own. Two fifteen year old runaway punks move in

665
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: and Lou and both have to go down and meet

666
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: their parents and basically be like, hey, your kids ran

667
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: away from home and they're in our house and you

668
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,720
Speaker 1: should let them stay. Um, we're not a cult, totally

669
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: not a cult. We promise you we're not a cult.

670
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: And it works. The kids staying. They joined Shambawamba at

671
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 1: least one of them wrote that ship all the way

672
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: up to fucking world tour, you know, number two in

673
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 1: the pop charts, and which which fucking so awesome. Yeah,

674
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: like that is that is I mean it's unfortunately the

675
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: fifteen year old Runaways dream, you know. Um. And so

676
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: they're they're all already I mean they're punks and they're

677
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: punk band, but they're already going art and pop and

678
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: theater directions with their music. And Alice is opening the

679
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: shows by reading feminist poetry. And one of the first

680
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: pranks that they run is they start a skinhead band

681
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: to make fun of the right wing skinhead scene, and

682
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: they call themselves skin Disease, and I remember reading it's

683
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: one of the most incredible trolls. They they find an

684
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,760
Speaker 1: a brave and a brave one too, because you're talking

685
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: about like a pretty violent, you know opposition here. No,

686
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: that's a really good point. Yeah, like walking in especially

687
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: as a bunch of like at this point they're still

688
00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: pacifists walking into this scene that really likes eating people

689
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: and making fun of them. Yeah, And so they tell

690
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,919
Speaker 1: this by compilation to record their song, and their song

691
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: is called I'm Thick, and the lyrics is they just

692
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: say I'm thick and over and over yeah yeah, And

693
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: it appears on the compilation UM along with all these

694
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: like right wing patriotic songs. It's not like a Nazi compilation.

695
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: It's a like go England, we beat the Falkland War whatever,

696
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: like you know, back when you used to have right

697
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 1: wingers who weren't Nazis in the Western world. Yeah, yeah, no, okay,

698
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: and so and so. At this point, they're still pacifists

699
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 1: because the anarchist scene in the early eighties in England

700
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: and probably because of Crass. And then they play a

701
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: benefit for the minor strike that was going on alongside

702
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: the York's old punk band and Nazis show up an

703
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: attack and they end to the show by stabbing people

704
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: right um and basically apparently make fun of everyone for

705
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: being too pacifist to fight back, and then closer to

706
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: home and leads someone, uh, a right wing person like

707
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: smashes up their van while it's in the driveway to

708
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: get the Commies or whatever, and so Chumba Oneba was like,

709
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 1: all right, you know what, we're not pacifists anymore, this

710
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: which makes sense to me. I mean, it's like part

711
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 1: of why I'm not pacifists, I'm like, well, Nazis, Nazis.

712
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: That's that's the end of the argument, Nazis. So they

713
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: get a baseball bat and when the Van Snasher came back,

714
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: they swarmed him. They held him down, and basically we're like, hey,

715
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: if you fucking come near us again, you're leaving an

716
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: ambulance um. And he didn't come around to funk with

717
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: them anymore, But you know what will funk with you,

718
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: our products and services that support this podcast, Sophie. Are

719
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: they pacifists or they violence us? I can't remember. Are

720
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: we supported by both sides of that argument? We are

721
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: supported by both sides of that hard gum sure Capital

722
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: very good at playing both sides of that particular argument.

723
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: Violence for them, peace for their opposition. I think that's

724
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: the here's some ads, Okay, we're back. And so they've

725
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: now changed their attitude, and they did more than play

726
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 1: benefit shows for the minor strike. They print up posters,

727
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: they organized, they joined pickets. And one of the things

728
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: that I like about this part of the story is

729
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: that like they were punks, and so they weren't necessarily

730
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: culturally the same as the miners that they're working in

731
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: solidarity with but they're from the same towns, right, Like

732
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 1: they are not this like totally distinct like rich siting

733
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: not everyone who clearly not everyone lives in cities is rich,

734
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: but like they're not like coming in from outside and

735
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: being like, oh, you poor miners, let us like look

736
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: down upon you. These are pep from these areas. You know. Yeah,

737
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: they're from the same class. They're just people who gravitated

738
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,919
Speaker 1: to making yeah, exactly, um, and it's not bad when

739
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: other people show up to help, but like working class

740
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: solidarity fucking rules. So one time one of them while

741
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: they're on a picket because they say on instead of

742
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: in whatever it's in the snow And Chumba Womba does

743
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: not take credit for this action. They describe it in

744
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: detail in their book. But there are several things that

745
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: happened that are illegal that Chumbawemba simply describes as things

746
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: that happened that they were around. And one of them

747
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: is that there's a one of those uh you know,

748
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: those concrete posts to keep cars from running off the road,

749
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: and they build a snowman over it and they put

750
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: a picket hat on it, and the cops get really

751
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: mad about this snowman, so they drive it, they try

752
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: to drive it over and smash up their own cop car. Um.

753
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's a good way to have

754
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: a weird ticket is to watch cops smash up their

755
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: own cars. Yeah, Like, and they have all of these

756
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 1: What a weird coincidence. We were randomly at dozens of

757
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: major riots and numerous countries that just happened to coincide

758
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: with our tour. And I don't know what the statute

759
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: of limitations is for rioting across Europe in the eighties,

760
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: nineties and two thousands, So I'm going to go with coincidence.

761
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: It was just a weird coincidence, just a coincidence. The

762
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: miners lost despite the pluckiness of the pickets. Um. And

763
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: it's this whole big deal that I haven't fully wrapped

764
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: my head around, right And I'm not a huge eighties

765
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: labor history England person yet, although through this podcast it

766
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: will eventually get to all of it. It really changes

767
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 1: things in your In England, industry closes, scabs and cops

768
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: pretty much need to move out of the towns they're

769
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: living in because everyone fucking hates them, and so just

770
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 1: to get like divides these communities. But for Chumba Womba,

771
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: this was a big political awakening. They've been politically involved

772
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: this whole time. But what they realize is that by

773
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 1: being in solidarity with people who weren't like, culturally aligned

774
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: with them, they realized how basically naval gazing and insular

775
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: and obsessively d I why punk was not all then

776
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: but aspects of it and had all these weird and

777
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: specific rules. From their point of view, all these like

778
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: cultural rules, this is going to be totally unfamiliar to

779
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: anyone who's involved with leftism today. There's no way that

780
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 1: we would ever police our own over increasingly complicated systems

781
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: of rules. Yeah, it wouldn't make any sense, you know,

782
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: actually would And so bof at least is reminded of

783
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: his Mormon upbringing or points out that he's reminded of this,

784
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: And so they release their first DP called Revolution, and

785
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: it basically is making fun of that kind of elitism.

786
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: They're not mocking the idea of revolution, they're mocking the

787
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: weird rules that everyone has. Basically, they're like, we gotta

788
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 1: be fucking better because we're not trying to have a scene.

789
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: We're trying to fucking different society, and and they're really

790
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: politically savvy, right, Like I had kind of when I

791
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,240
Speaker 1: found out that Chumba Womba was like into radical politics,

792
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: I'd kind of be like, oh, that's cool. But I

793
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: hadn't realized quite that they were like in it, like

794
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: it was there as as much a part of what

795
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: they did. Um Alice Nutter in the late nineties, I

796
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: think in the tub thumping era told a fan zine

797
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: about single issue politics. Single issues half the time, This

798
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: is me quoting Alice Nutter. Single issues half the time

799
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: end up being welfare groups for social misfits, all the

800
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: sad bastards that don't have a life joined single issues.

801
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: I refused to be guilt tripped, saying that any one

802
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: thing is the most important. The problem is we don't

803
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: have an overview of what's happened to us politically. It's

804
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: really hard to step back and look over the last

805
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: fifteen years, capitalism has come on and leaps and bounds.

806
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: Why ain't we Instead people go, well, I've done this,

807
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: and I've done that. We've been really stupid. We've not

808
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: responded to what capitalism has done. Instead, we've been too

809
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: busy policing each other. I've changed the way about things.

810
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: Yeah right, Um, I've changed the way I go about

811
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: things because I've had to because I want to live

812
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: in the real world. That's the quote. Brilliant yeah, and

813
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: and and incredibly relevant I know, years later from even then,

814
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: and it's like I think about it because like I

815
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: got into politics twenty years later than them, and I

816
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: had to have all these epiphanies all over again, you know. Um.

817
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: Their their ap Revolution is a hit, at least by

818
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 1: their standards at the time. It gets radio play. I

819
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: think it's their first radio play. It charts on the

820
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: indie charts, and so they put out next to a

821
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,479
Speaker 1: full length called Pictures of Starving Children Sell Records, which

822
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: is basically a whole album making fun of live aid,

823
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: a charity concert happening at the time that costs millions

824
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: of dollars to stage. And because they're weird, annoying art punks,

825
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: they pressure one of their own bandmates, I think Dan,

826
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: to make himself puke so that they could record the

827
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: sound for the end of the record. And I watched

828
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: at one point an interview with the sound producer and

829
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: it's like the first time he met them, and he

830
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: was like, I met this band and the first thing

831
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 1: they made me do was like record one of them

832
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: throwing up, this is great, I'm doing. I've made good

833
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: decisions in my life, thought the sound producer, and to

834
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 1: to funk with the sort of standards that they feel

835
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: like they're being held to. They would do ship like

836
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: release an album of like punk pop um and then

837
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: followed up with an acapella album. They would they opened

838
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 1: for motor Head by singing acapella. They started in course

839
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: speaking of opening for someone and getting their middle fingers

840
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: thrown at you. Oh my god. Yeah, just go and

841
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: sing seventeen century workers songs to people who are at

842
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: a festival in Europe to see Motorhead. Uh. And they

843
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: started corporating dance music and house music into their music

844
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,959
Speaker 1: and it's not a cynical thing. They just like going

845
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: to raves and doing ecstasy. So they're like, bucket, let's

846
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Speaker 1: do rave music. And they also wrote an album by

847
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: how much they love sports because they're working class British

848
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: kids at the end of the day. Ah. And that

849
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 1: reminds me of have you are you familiar with VIAGRAA boys,

850
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: I am not. Please tell me about VIAGRAA Boys actually no, yeah,

851
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: go ahead, okay, yeah, fantastic fantastic punk down uh that

852
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 1: I discovered via Sleaford Mods, who definitely have some crass

853
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: influence in in their sounds. But they have a song

854
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: called Biagara Boys has a song called sports and uh,

855
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: you just gotta look up the video and watch it

856
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: for yourselves. It's it's fantastic. Yeah. I I love the

857
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: tension around things like sports in the subculture because you

858
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: have all these people being like, no, we're too cool

859
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,439
Speaker 1: for everything that's cool, and then other people are like, yeah,

860
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: but it's really fun. Have you all tried playing sports?

861
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 1: It's really fun, very very yeah. Yeah. And so they

862
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 1: tour constantly and it's the only way they can make

863
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: any money because they're not selling enough records to sustain themselves.

864
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: And they also have this permanent shoplifting competition because of

865
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: course they do, which is who can steal the most

866
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: expensive and ridiculous ship before their their shows. Um. One

867
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,919
Speaker 1: time they get banned from a venue in Dublin because

868
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: they throw packages of condoms into the audience, which is

869
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: condoms were barely legal in Ireland at the time. You

870
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: had to be eighteen. You can only buy them in

871
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: certain places. It didn't help that Alice Nutter was dressed

872
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: up like a non drinking out of a bottle of

873
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 1: whiskey while she's breaking this law. And then Boff Whalley

874
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: gets into fell running, which I believe is best I

875
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: can tell is British for trail running, and how it

876
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: happens is well, first he goes and sees some fell

877
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 1: runners with his dad, and he sees one of them

878
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: with a pink mohawk, and he's like, huh, and I

879
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: think the guy wins, but I'm not sure, and he

880
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: and Chumbawamba opens for Conflict and Conflicted, this punk band

881
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: that at the time they always carried baseball bats to

882
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: their shows because their shows always turned into riots. So

883
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 1: the show turns into a riot and the cops come

884
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: to arrest everybody, and the punks start fighting back, and

885
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: Boff meets this punk in the crowd who was the

886
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: champion fell runner he had seen, and he watches this

887
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: spell runner out run six cops. Six cops take off

888
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: chasing him, and the runner takes off, and basically Boff

889
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: is like, I think I'm going to get into fell running.

890
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: That sounds cool, and most of the books he writes

891
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: now are about how awesome fell Running is. And they

892
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: keep being activists as they start touring constantly and stuff.

893
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: Their house gets rated by cops three times. The first

894
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: two times cops are basically like, we've seen those people.

895
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 1: There's probably drugs there, uh, And so the cops raid

896
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 1: and there weren't any drugs at the times of the raid,

897
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: or maybe they didn't keep drugs at home because they

898
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: were responsible people who had children in the house. That

899
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: actually acts. I don't know the answer, but that's my

900
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: actual guest based on everything I've heard about these people. Um.

901
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 1: And then the third time, the cops battering rammed down

902
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 1: the door to search the place for explosives because someone

903
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: presumably tied to the antipartheid movement, which all the punks

904
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: were part of, has set off a bomb somewhere that

905
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: didn't hurt anybody. And they're like, oh, well, we know

906
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: are some you know punks are, so let's go kick

907
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: down their door. They get arrested, they get kept in

908
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: cells for twenty four hours, they get strip searched, the

909
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: whole house is trashed, all their literature is taken, and

910
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: so what they did once they got out is they

911
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: took the name of the cop who had interrogated them,

912
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: and they put it on their electric bill um until

913
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: they figured out how to make their electric bill run backwards,

914
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 1: and then they just stopped paying for electricity. They get

915
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: pulled over and strip searched by cops who are looking

916
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: for drugs all the time at borders. One time they

917
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: get pulled over on tour and strip searched, and they

918
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: don't like that. There's hundreds of copies of anarchist magazines

919
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 1: in their van, so they get turned away from countries

920
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 1: fairly often and they have to like change their tours

921
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: around as a result of all this. And one thing

922
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: that they tried to do one punk classic they tried

923
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: and failed at actually is they tried to siphon gas

924
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: for their tour um. But they got caught really quickly,

925
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: and they were like, this is not worth it. It

926
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: is not worth it for us to safe and gas.

927
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: We should just pay for our gas um. They get

928
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: arrested a lot. Uh to quote Boff again. For a

929
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: few years in the eighties, Dan and Alice were king

930
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 1: and Queen of getting arrested. It didn't matter if they'd

931
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: been somewhere else at the time. If there was trouble,

932
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: they'd get arrested. It became a liability to stand near

933
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,720
Speaker 1: them on demonstrations. One minute, you're watching Jill Scott Heron

934
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: in a sun soaked Hyde park with two thousand other

935
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 1: nuclear disarmament campaigners. The next thing, you're trying to pull

936
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:27,760
Speaker 1: Alice out of the back of a police van surrounded

937
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: by baton wielding cops, and if one got arrested, the

938
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 1: other would get jealous and fling themselves into the arms

939
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: of eager policemen. And later Alice was like, you know,

940
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: eventually we figured out that the point of protest wasn't

941
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: to get arrested, and that not getting caught has its

942
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: own merits um which if I were to add an

943
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: additional sponsor to this show, so if he could you

944
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: reach out to not getting caught and uh an advocate,

945
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: I mean I would. I would give up potatoes for that.

946
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: I think, Okay, okay, yeah, um, not getting caught has

947
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: its own merits. So and Alice has her her leg

948
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: broken by Dutch cops at an anti NATO rally and

949
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 1: still managed to stay on for the rest of the tour.

950
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,760
Speaker 1: But that's where we're going to leave it. For today,

951
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: they're in their pre celebrity heyday. They're running around getting

952
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,720
Speaker 1: into trouble every chance they get, including getting into trouble

953
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 1: with the punk scene. And when we come back, they're

954
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: going to get into way more trouble with the mainstream

955
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: world and the punk scene both. But Max, first, let's

956
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: hear about the trouble that you're getting in or the

957
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 1: stuff that you're up to that people can check out.

958
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: Oh excellent. Well, Eve six has a new album coming out,

959
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: our first full length record in like ten years. I

960
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: forget the date of that, but I think it's sometime

961
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: next month. We just put out the first single from it.

962
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: It's called Mr. Dark Side, and you know it's in

963
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: all the likely places. Um, you can find us on

964
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: Twitter at eve six and I post a lot, probably

965
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 1: too much on there and uh and I also recently

966
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: started doing an advice column for Input magazine and I'm

967
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: really enjoying doing that. Um and yeah, that comes out

968
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: twice a month. So yeah, if you follow me on

969
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: Twitter you'll you'll see that too. But that's sort of

970
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: what we got going on. Okay, and Sophie, what trouble

971
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: have you been? What legally actionable trouble have you been getting?

972
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,919
Speaker 1: Just got to cools on we do dot com all

973
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: the things and Margaret, you have a book coming out,

974
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: don't you I Do. It's available for pre order now.

975
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: It's called we Won't Be Here Tomorrow. It's available for

976
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: a K Press and if you pre order it you

977
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: get an art print of like teens riding around on

978
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: bikes past graffiti that says the Devil lives here and

979
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: all the fun hole U short science fiction and fantasy

980
00:53:55,560 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: stories that your heart could possibly desire. Awesome, We'll see

981
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: you on Wednesday. Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is

982
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: a production of cool Zone Media. For more podcasts and

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00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,960
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