WEBVTT - George Conway & Simon Rabinovitch 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.160 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.160 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:14.400 today's best minds, and Wisconsin College Republican chairman Nicholas Jacobs 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:18.880 received one of Elon Musk's one million dollar checks. We 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:21.919 have such a great show for you today, the Atlantics, 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:26.080 George Conway, stop spies. You talk about Trump's lawlessness and 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:29.920 how to shore up institutions to protect against it. Then 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:34.479 we'll talk to the economists Simon Ravenovich about how Trump's 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:37.839 tariffs will actually be bad for the global economy. But 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:38.680 first the news. 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:42.440 So, Molli, one of the things with moving fast and 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:46.199 break things in government and do process is that you 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:48.960 need to actually go through a process and not just 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:52.080 sending fathers to El Salvadorian megaprisons. 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:55.000 Yeah, and here's the headline. It's such a Trump one 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:58.240 point oh headline, but it's happening. I guess Trump one 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:01.560 point zero they didn't stop doing due process. So in 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:05.000 that way, Trump two point zero is an accelerationist version 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:08.480 of Trump one point zero. But Trump administration accidentally sent 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:12.160 Maryland father to Salvadorian megaprison and says it can't get 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:15.360 him back. Whoops. It's a whoops. If you don't care 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:21.480 about people's lives, it's a complete civil rights nightmare if 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:24.920 you do. The government argues it no longer has control 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:29.399 over this Maryland dad's fate. He is now in a 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:33.840 Salvadorian prison. This is the same Salvadorian prison that you'll 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:38.240 remember Christie Nome, famous dog killer. Christie Nome wore a 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:44.280 humongous fifty thousand dollars roulics when giving a talk about 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:48.040 how she was sending all of these people to this 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:52.600 scary prison. The man had protected immigration status in the US, 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:56.320 specifically barring him from being sent back to the country 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:59.760 for fear of persecution. On Monday, and a filing in 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:05.040 a land court. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement ICE admitted to 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:11.840 mistakenly sending this man to El Salvador's notoriously brutal Seacot prison. 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:17.200 This is pretty dark. It's also worth realizing that jd 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:21.480 Vance Vice President Jade Vance actually lied about it on Twitter. 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:25.880 He said, why is not the turble lot of I 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:28.560 think might be even more I could attempted to dunk 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:29.960 and got blocked right. 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:33.360 Vice President jd Vance responded to comments asking him about 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:37.480 the Trump administration's admission that they had sent this Salvadorian 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:40.440 man with protected legal status to a mega prison. And 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:44.680 then he said, in typical jd Vance fashion, it's gross 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:47.839 to get fired up about gang members getting deported while 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:52.600 ignoring the citizens they victimized. That's what jd Vance wrote 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:55.320 on Twitter. He got into a fight with Jon Favreau. 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:58.640 Vance wrote on X and jd Vance you know I 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:01.200 mean this lying or so elz. 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:03.639 And he had to edit the tweets after Jon Favreau 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:04.359 dunked on him. 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:05.680 It's a heartwarming story. 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:11.320 So Elon held that little rally we mentioned in the 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:13.919 intro where he gave away some checks and he used 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:16.640 about that he has no clue why people hate his guts. 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:23.560 Yeah, it is pretty incredible that. Again, look Elon said, 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:26.119 and this is like the same thing that Trump used 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:29.840 to say too when he pretended that he worked. So 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:34.040 Elon said, it's costing me more. This is exactly what 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:36.240 Trump used to say. In fact, it's costing me a 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:38.760 lot to be in this job. You had Tim Walls 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:42.160 dancing on stage showing a short on chessless stock dropping. 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:45.680 It's an awful thing for him to do. Again, this 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:49.240 is like this thing where conservatives can be offensive, but 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:51.880 then they get very offended. You know, they can dish 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:53.480 it out, but they cannot take it. 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:55.880 The thing I heard somebody say, is that what we 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:58.760 misread in not the fuck your feelings thing? Is they 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:02.040 meant your feelings by Yes, he says. 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:04.760 Not only is it I'm not getting paid. I'm definitely 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:08.600 not stealing money. It would never get away with it. Okay, Well, 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:10.640 as long as you tell us you're not stealing money. 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:14.160 The value of my textless stock is half. So this 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:17.040 is a very expensive job. Okay, quit, I think we've 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:17.719 solved it. 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:19.360 No one will cry if you go. 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:23.839 Yeah. So we would like to offer Elon Musk a 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:28.039 chance to make more money and quit destroying the federal government. 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:32.839 That's our foray into telling people what to do. Elon, 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:34.480 perhaps you would like to do that. 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:39.360 Well, Unfortunately, it's not just Elon trying to overhaul the government. 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:42.599 It's also Trump with executive orders, and one of them 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:45.560 is going to be overhauling the Smithsonian Institute. 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:50.440 Yes, you'll be shocked to now that this is the 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:56.440 authoritarian playbook. Right, you start to remake institutions to better 0:04:56.839 --> 0:05:01.880 reflect your quote unquote beliefs. So Trump he wants to 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:06.680 restore American history through Smithsonian overall. If you don't know 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:11.039 what this is, you don't sort of understand what trump ism. 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:16.120 Here is the order calls for vance along with Vince Haley. 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:22.280 He wants them to remove exhibits that degrade shared American values, 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:27.880 divide Americans based on race, or promote programs or ideology 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:32.080 is inconsistent with federal law and policy. You'll remember Trump 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:38.080 is deeply anti anti racism, which if you're anti anti racism, 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:42.400 perhaps it's worth wondering what you are for. And again, 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:46.760 this is just he wants to disassemble museums, libraries. He 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:51.520 is at war with the culture because they believe in 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:55.880 this idea that politics is downstream from culture. Right, This 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:59.640 is the Andrew Breidbart thesis that if you can control 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:02.560 the culture, you can control the politics. If you can 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:07.799 say what is cool, you can influence how people vote, 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:11.600 you can influence what they believe. You can do all 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:15.799 the things that Trump is longs to do. And remember 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:20.720 Trump is first and foremost obsessed with famous people and television, 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:23.800 et cetera. You know you can see how this works. 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:27.080 Yes, so one piece of good news is we are 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:30.599 seeing the Dems fighting back in legal ways in a 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:33.320 big way. The Democrats have sued to block trump spid 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:34.480 to control elections. 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:38.799 Yeah, so this is a really scary bill that Trump 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:44.200 has which is really really, really important and I think 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:48.800 is worth thinking about. This bill. You know, it's called 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:51.760 the Save Act. It wants to sort of get in there, 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:56.320 and Democrats are threatening to sue on this executive order. 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:58.919 But this executive order, I want to sort of be 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:01.560 clear on this is a part of is sort of 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:06.400 the opening Foray into him wanting to pass the Save Act. 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:09.640 The Save Act will make it so that you can't 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:12.840 vote without like a driver's license, and this has always 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:14.960 been what Republicans want to do. There's a lot of 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:17.400 other really scary stuff in the Save Act and I 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:21.600 think it will be a major backslide if it passes. 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:25.320 But the point here, and what every sort of anti 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:30.320 authoritarianism expert says to do is to push back on everything, 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:33.680 and so this is really important. So the Democratic Party 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:37.280 is suing President Trump over sweeping executive orders last week 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:40.680 to wrestle control of elections from the states. This is 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:45.000 very important. We do not want this federal government which 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:49.240 is really now filled with Trump lackeys and cronies to 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:53.960 control elections for many obvious reasons, but the largest of 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:57.360 which is they may not be free and fair. And 0:07:57.440 --> 0:08:02.440 so this is really important and exactly what should be happening. 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:04.600 And I'm glad Democrats are doing this, and they need 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:15.600 to do this with everything. George Conway is a contributor 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:21.240 to The Atlantic. Welcome back, Too Fast Politics, George Conway, NY. 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:27.240 So let's talk about what's going on right now with 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:30.440 Donald Trump and the rule of law. So one of 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:35.199 the things that Donald Trump has done really effectively considering 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:41.040 how incompetent he is, is his attack on the institutions. 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:43.559 I'm going to take the issue with that. I mean, 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:47.160 everybody's saying, oh wow, so competent. He's so competent, but now. 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:49.680 He's not so competent. But the law firms. Talk to 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:50.080 me about the. 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:52.640 Law firms, Well, no, I mean, look, it's easy to 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:55.959 destroy than it is to build, and that's the bottom line. 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:58.880 And it's easy to intimidate when you have cowards and 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:02.040 when you're the president. And he has absolutely no shame. 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:06.800 He's behaving like a mob boss. And we've seen already 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:12.160 his ability to extort things from people, extorted money from ABC, 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:15.480 he almost did from CBS. Did they ultimately settle I 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:18.840 don't know, but he you know, he's he got something 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:23.520 from Jeff Bezos that twenty million dollars for Milania. People 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:26.000 want to pay him off because they want, you know, 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:29.760 they want protection money from him taking action against them, 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:32.640 even if it's illegal, because even if it's illegal, it's 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:34.720 still a pain in the body. It can hurt your business. 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:38.040 I mean, I went to the Kirkinscory was that first 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:41.320 law firm that sued, and I went two weeks ago 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:44.520 to the hearing tro hearing before Judge Howell here in 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:46.960 the District of Columbia, and one of the things that 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:50.040 struck me was that even if they win across the 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:53.880 board a final judgment, a permanent injunction against Trump, it 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:57.720 might not necessarily help them because people are going to 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:00.200 know if you are the general counsel of a big 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:03.400 aerospace company, for example, we have some kind of issue 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:05.840 before the Defense Department, whether it's you're trying to get 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:08.400 a contract, or whether you're trying to get paid on 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:10.720 a contract, or you're trying to work out some issue 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:13.520 on a contract or something else. You're not going to 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:16.120 want to go in there with that law firm, knowing 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:20.000 full well that the people at the Defense Department know 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:23.440 that you're basically persona in nongrade even if the court 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:26.280 say you have to deal with them. So that is 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:29.520 the position that these law firms. And I'm not justifying 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:34.160 behavior you're critical of Paul Weiss. I'm explaining the behavior 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:37.880 that if you are willing to basically put profits over your. 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:41.040 Country, which a lot of them are, right. 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:43.000 I mean, you know, I mean the head private equity 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:46.960 guy at Paul Weissbrick and Whartney Garrison, which has traditionally 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:51.360 been a very public spirited law firm and had founding 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:54.280 principles based upon that public spirit that is written by 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:57.360 a million who Waltim became a very prominent judge, signed 0:10:57.360 --> 0:11:00.920 and Rifkin. They basically put the dollar some ahead of 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:04.000 you know, their commitment to the rule of law, and 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:06.600 you know they were liberals, so they ordered to be 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:09.680 committed to social justice over the years. I don't know 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:11.680 whether I agree with all that, but I think you 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:14.560 know that they should not be intimidated by the government 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:18.200 from engaging in that kind of pro bono activity, and 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:20.600 it should not be cow telling to the government. But 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:23.000 you know, the private equity guy they hot and they 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:26.480 murred over from another firm makes twenty five million dollars 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:29.520 a year doing deals for private equity companies, and those 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:35.240 deals sometimes often require government approval. And so you know, 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:39.000 it basically comes down to whether whether these people want 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:41.920 to have enough money to buy that setting or third 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:43.839 house in the Hantons, or whether or not they care 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:45.960 about the constitution in their country and they want to 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:48.600 set an example and they want to preserve the country 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:51.520 for their children, and they obviously choose the second or 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:54.400 third house in the Hamptons. You know, it's it's disturbing 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:57.600 and appalling and they should be a shamed because it's 0:11:57.600 --> 0:11:59.880 not I mean what At some point you have to 0:11:59.880 --> 0:12:02.319 stand up and take a position for what's right. I mean, 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:04.640 I'm God blessed people who may may make a lot 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:08.000 of money doing anything that's legal, in doing anything, you know, 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:10.280 including the practice of law. I mean, I'm one of 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:12.240 the reasons why I can spout off the way I 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:15.640 have is because I don't need the money. And that 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:18.199 was the most important thing that I think money can 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:21.280 get you is the ability to say say whatever the 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:24.800 fuck you want. And these people they obviously don't value that. 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:27.720 They don't value the rights and liberties that they have 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.600 as Americans in the way that you or I do. 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:32.920 And and I think it's very very tragic and I 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:36.080 ultimately think is self destructive of these law firms to 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:38.400 be doing this, because you can't. You pay off the 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:41.480 mob bus, you pay off the bully with your lunch money, 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:44.640 whatever metaphor you want to use. He'll be back, okay. 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:45.840 And if he's not going to be back for you, 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:48.440 he'll be back for somebody else. He just encourages him, 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.120 even if you think you're tricking him by giving him 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:53.079 ice in winter, right, I mean, he's right, that's what 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:56.440 pro bonar hours. They're pro bono hours, right, Okay, So 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:59.520 it's like you're not actually charging anybody for that money, 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:01.640 and you can and the time you know, it's like 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:05.640 you associate it's gonna not she as you know, he 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:07.280 might be a little more he or she might be 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:09.360 a little more generous and putting down the time since 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:12.320 it's actually not being built to a client who may say, 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:14.440 wait a minute, why did you spend nine hours on 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:20.280 researching this? But still it really sends a message to 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:23.920 the world that even the law firms, the law firms 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.800 who should be in a position to fight this and 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:31.480 should be morally positioned as well as professionally positioned to 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:33.640 fight this or just throwing in the towel. So why 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:37.560 should any of us fight? And it's really just it's 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:40.960 just I just find it morally reprehensible, and it's you know, 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:44.320 it's it's basically it's extortion. I think it's, you know, 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:47.920 at least the equivalent of the moral equivalent of extortion. 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.640 I mean, he's it's it's not clear that he's getting 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.600 a real standpoint that you couldn't charge it because he's 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:57.160 not getting a direct personal benefit of anything. But you 0:13:57.200 --> 0:14:00.480 know that'll come. And that's that's sort of what happened 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:03.600 in these other these cases that he settled, these bullshit 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:06.040 libel cases. It would be the one where where he 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:11.080 claimed that he was libel because because George Stepanopolis, you know, 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:14.120 gave the impression that he raped a woman one way 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:16.280 instead of raping a woman another way. 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:18.640 Yeah, I'm glad you talked about this. 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:18.920 Now. 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:22.160 I want you to talk a little bit about why 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:25.360 I think you're right. And I think that's a good point. 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:27.720 And I do think if we give in to bullies, 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:29.320 what we've seen, I mean, we saw this from the 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:33.280 Trumpet first Trump administration is if you start negotiating with him, 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:34.920 he just takes and takes and takes. 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:37.000 That's what a narcissist do, right. 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:40.120 I wonder if you could talk a little bit about 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:43.440 just like Trump. One point out, Trump continues to pretty 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:46.680 much almost completely lose in coren. 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:52.520 Yes, it's a really remarkable string of losses as a Friday, 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:57.440 according to a fabulation by a wonderful friend and professor 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:00.600 at Georgetown, Steve laddiprof or of law. 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:03.320 Yeah, and actually he sent this to me. Steve Vladdock, 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:06.200 who teaches a Georgetown is a brilliant author of the 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:08.160 Shadow Docket. We love that guy. 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:12.360 No, he's really really terrific, you know, basically, even even 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:15.400 though his philosophical bent is different than mine, it's like 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:18.720 he's always right these days. We agree on everything he says. 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:22.520 There are forty six cases in which judges have blocked 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:26.960 Frump policies. These forty six decisions have come from thirty 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:33.280 nine different federal judges who are appointed by five separate administrations, 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:37.920 obviously both Republican and Democratic in eleven separate district courts 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:42.160 in seven different federal service And what that tells you 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:44.760 is that you have to be doing first of all, 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:47.880 to get that number of decisions against you that quickly, 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:52.080 you have to be doing something wall and to get that. No, no, 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:55.640 this isn't one of these situations where Stephen Miller so 0:15:55.880 --> 0:16:00.200 felicitously put it on execute that these are all well 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:03.720 Marxist judges trying to interfere with the you know, with 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:08.640 the president's prerogatives. While Stephen Miller is an absolute lunatic 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:11.520 and these aren't Marxist judges. These are I mean. One 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:14.360 of the first decisions was rendered by a judge in 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:18.200 Washington named Governor, who was a Reagan appointed and he 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:21.760 said he couldn't believe basically that the Justice Department was 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:26.200 appearing before him. They looked like day two of the administrations, 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:28.880 give or take a day, that they were making this 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:31.880 argument that completely perverted the text of fourteenth Amendment to 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:33.920 argue that people who were born in the United States 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:37.840 aren't necessarily citizens, even though the Constitution says that people 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:40.120 who are born all persons born in the United States 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:43.280 or citizens thereof what Trump is doing is based of 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:47.240 pradition wholesale, ignoring laws that he doesn't like, whether they 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:51.680 be laws about what spending has to be engaged in, 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:54.160 which are you know, these are these these laws that 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:58.840 appropriate money generally do not say if the president so desire, 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:02.680 they say the presidents shall spend money in words in 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:06.639 the substance. And then he's violating the Constitution by having 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:10.360 Elon Musk. Essentially, I mean that that bilates the Constitution 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:14.360 because he's essentially using his executive orders to to usurfu 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:17.320 the power of Congress and to pass laws what he 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:21.719 considers to be laws, overturning will of Congress and the statutes. 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:25.560 But he's also for example, he's pointed Elon Musk to 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:29.119 basically act as a as something of a czar for 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:33.480 the government. And to do that, the pointance laws requires 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:37.240 at a minimum, requires that his position be created by Congress, 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:40.359 which it was not. And it further requires, given the 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:44.000 breath of his power, it requires that he be set 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:47.760 confirmed to the office that the that the Congress should 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:50.560 have to have created. And it's you know, illegal on 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:53.920 multiple levels and has now been so held by courts, 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:58.040 and he has shown absolute disrespect for the law. He 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:02.040 doesn't care what the law says, and their compliance with 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:04.840 these court orders has been kind of shoddy, and they're 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:07.680 just playing games with the courts of a fundamental in 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:12.760 this whole bit with the Alien Enemies Act and the Venezuelans. 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:15.320 They ship them on and they refuse to basically turn 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:17.920 the planes around. You know, that's that's illegal. 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:22.440 So what you're saying here is constitutional crisis discuss. 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:25.400 Well, we are in a constitutional crisis. We are been 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:28.639 in a I think we're in the early stages of it, 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:32.280 because it's not going away anytime soon. You know, it's 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:35.240 like stages of cancer. I mean, we are in stage 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:39.840 four of trump Ism. In terms of the final constitutional crisis, 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:42.840 we are in stage one or two at least of that. 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:46.520 And I think the further stages are going to involve 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:51.000 him absolutely flat out refusing to obey court orders in 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:56.199 certain in certain cases, and then ultimately chaos because I 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:58.439 think that he's not going to be able to control 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:01.640 the public reaction to that, and I think he's going 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:04.399 to try. I think he's going to issue orders that 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:07.000 will be illegal, that some people will not obey and 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:11.200 others will obey, and and you know, at the same time, 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:14.520 these courts are going to be issuing these orders, whether 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:16.879 or not they be enforced against Trump. I think we 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:21.240 are headed toward legal and political chaos, and that's very, 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:26.520 very tragic for the country, both politically and economically and morally. 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:30.119 And it's it's just not I mean, it's something where 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:34.240 you know, I've telled telling my middle daughter who's going 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:37.480 into twelfth grade next year, that she should think about 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:40.320 studying abroad for the next few years. I don't, you know, 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:42.080 I don't have a lot of confidence that this is 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:45.280 going to get resolved quickly and in a manner that's 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:47.880 really sets us back to normality. 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:52.320 So let's talk a little bit about how we sort 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:55.800 of keep going through this. We have the courts are 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:59.240 saying no to trump Ism as a response, instead of 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:01.520 what happened in from one point out where you had 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:04.439 a few normal people still in the administration, so they 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:06.960 would say things like, you know, we don't like it, 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:08.960 but we're going to listen to the courts. This time, 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:12.400 you have JD. Van saying, you know, you have both 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:15.919 Jadvans and Elon mush saying that you know. 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:19.560 And don't forget Stephen Miller, because I believe that Stephen 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:23.960 Miller is probably as powerful as Muskus in this administration, 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:26.800 He's just not as high profile. I think he is 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:29.359 the architect of a lot of what's going on because 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:31.920 nobody else. I mean, I don't think Vance has the 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:35.520 internal political power, and I don't think Musk is too 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:41.399 scattershot and possibly intoxicated to really exercise this kind of 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:45.360 anything other than arbitrary nihilistic actions, you know. And I think, 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:47.720 so those are the three I think. And Miller is 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:50.119 just obviously illning. I mean, I don't know if you've 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:52.280 seen some of his TV heads lately where he's gonna 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:55.520 sweaming at the television and whole rant the other day 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:59.040 about Marxist judges. But he's he's not a well man, 0:20:59.080 --> 0:20:59.880 but he's very very. 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:04.040 Yeah, he is very smart, but he's not well. So 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:08.040 let's just sort of game this out. We have judges 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:13.760 who are being targeted, federal judges. It feels like we're 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:20.040 heading somewhere bad. Here there are still normal Republicans in 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:23.320 the Senate. If a critical mask got together, they could 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:25.240 protect these judges. I mean, are they going to try 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:30.000 to impeach federal judges? I mean, that's what the right wants. 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:32.920 I think the House may very well try to do that, 0:21:33.000 --> 0:21:35.879 and I think on a party line vote requires a 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:39.959 simple majority, they probably can do it, although their majority 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:43.639 has grow center and may even grow even more center 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:46.960 in the next forty eight hours three thos, so we'll see. 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:51.080 I don't think there's any chance at all of conviction 0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:54.600 in the Senate, but the harassment of these judges is 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:57.280 something not to be taken light. It can cost these 0:21:57.359 --> 0:21:59.720 judges money to have to retain warriors, and you have 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:02.640 to if you are the subject of an impeachment inquiry, 0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:06.520 you probably should retain a lawyer. And I know some 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:08.879 efforts to make sure that or at least some intent 0:22:08.960 --> 0:22:11.000 among some people to try to make sure that judges 0:22:11.000 --> 0:22:14.160 have the resources to defend themselves. They may be subject 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:18.200 to subpoenas and whatnot, And a truly scary thing about 0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:21.320 that would be is if it intimidates judges into not 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:24.520 doing their jobs. But so far, I have to say 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:28.560 that judges have shown remarkable courage. Their commitment to the 0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:33.240 rule of law has been just absolutely remarkable, including Republican judges, 0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:36.520 and we've seen the Chief Justice of the United States 0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:40.680 speak out against bogus and patient efforts and we saw 0:22:40.920 --> 0:22:45.320 a very conservative a friend of mine, Eleventh Circuit Judge 0:22:45.359 --> 0:22:49.600 William Pryor, has spoken out against impeachment of judges for 0:22:49.680 --> 0:22:53.119 their decisions. He was on Chunks shortlist in twenty seventeen. 0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:57.119 And I highly admire the way the federal judiciary is 0:22:57.359 --> 0:23:00.880 hanging together to protect the constitution system of government. 0:23:01.080 --> 0:23:04.840 Yeah, I'll say it's really important when you think about 0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:08.560 the way to protect the rule of law and norms 0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:11.920