WEBVTT - The Dave Pasch Podcast - Kenny Albert

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<v Speaker 1>Hey everyone, Welcome to another edition of the Dave Pash Podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host Cardinals and ESPN play by play announcer

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<v Speaker 1>Dave Pash. My guest this week is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>best broadcasters in the business. He does it on a

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<v Speaker 1>number of sports for a number of networks, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>Kenny Albert. Kenny recently called a couple of Cardinals games.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get his thoughts on the Cards and head coach

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Gannett.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I certainly liked the battle level, enjoyed talking to

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<v Speaker 2>the coaching staff, to Jonathan gannon and I really think

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<v Speaker 2>they're heading in the right direction with his coaching staff

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<v Speaker 2>and this core group of players.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll also talk with Kenny about what it was like

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<v Speaker 1>to grow up on Albert his dad, Marv Award winning

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<v Speaker 1>and Hall of Fame broadcaster. But Kenny certainly has paved

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<v Speaker 1>his own path to greatness, and he's done it for

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<v Speaker 1>a long time. Whether it's been with Fox for almost

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<v Speaker 1>thirty years as an NFL broadcaster, he's the lead voice

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<v Speaker 1>for the NHL Stanley Cup Finals with Turner, does Rangers

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<v Speaker 1>and Knicks games on MSG network works, and he's had

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of celebrities that he's encountered over the course

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<v Speaker 1>of his career and his life going back to his childhood,

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<v Speaker 1>and you'll never believe who his mom once beat at

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<v Speaker 1>home in horse Also, we'll talk with Kenny about his

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<v Speaker 1>new book of mic for All Seasons. All that and

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<v Speaker 1>more with the great Kenny Albert coming up. We are

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<v Speaker 1>one of the top broadcasters in the business, Kenny Albert. Well, Kenny,

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, you've had the cars a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to get your thoughts on what you saw,

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<v Speaker 1>in particular the last game you had against the Seahawks

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<v Speaker 1>a couple weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I certainly like the battle level, enjoyed talking to

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<v Speaker 2>the coaching staff, to Jonathan Gannon and Drew Petsing, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, obviously it's a bit of a depleted roster

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<v Speaker 2>with some of the injuries. Buddha Baker did come back

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<v Speaker 2>in the game against the Seahawks last week. But they

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<v Speaker 2>certainly work hard. You know, they've had some the number

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<v Speaker 2>of games this year, as you well know, where they've

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<v Speaker 2>stayed closed for a half and then it kind of

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<v Speaker 2>gets away in the second half. But I really think

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<v Speaker 2>they're heading in the right direction with this coaching staff

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<v Speaker 2>and this core group of players.

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<v Speaker 1>And you have dealt with JG before. I'm sure you've

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<v Speaker 1>done a lot of Eagles games, maybe even some games,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was in Minnesota, but obviously he's not meeting

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<v Speaker 1>with the broadcasters for people that don't know the head

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<v Speaker 1>coach and both coordinators. Usually sometimes there are exceptions where

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<v Speaker 1>a head coach won't let the coordinators talk to the

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<v Speaker 1>media or at least the TV crew, but for the

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<v Speaker 1>most part, the coordinators meet with the team TV crew.

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<v Speaker 1>What was your experience like with JG as a coordinator

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<v Speaker 1>and now as a head coach in that setting.

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<v Speaker 2>Did meet with him a couple of times as a

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<v Speaker 2>coordinator in Philly and and really seemed mature beyond his years.

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<v Speaker 2>We do meet with a number of coordinators throughout the season. Oftentimes,

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<v Speaker 2>if the head coach is more defensive minded, we'll meet

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<v Speaker 2>with the offensive coordinator that week and vice versa. But

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<v Speaker 2>in Philadelphia, with Shane Stikeen and Jonathan Gannon, you had

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<v Speaker 2>two real up and coming coordinators and we felt that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we could be chatting with both of these

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<v Speaker 2>guys as head coaches in the near future, and that

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<v Speaker 2>certainly has been the case. We've had the Colts twice

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<v Speaker 2>this year and very impressed with Shane Steiken as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And with Jonathan Gannon. You mentioned his years in Minnesota

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<v Speaker 2>working under the Vikings coaching staff and then in Philadelphia.

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<v Speaker 2>Was real happy for him when when he was hired

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<v Speaker 2>by the Cardinals.

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<v Speaker 1>When you look at you know you've done Cardinal games

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<v Speaker 1>for you know, you've been at Fox now for years,

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<v Speaker 1>so you've done obviously a lot of Cardinals games over

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<v Speaker 1>the years. I'm sure you did game to the Super

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<v Speaker 1>Bowl year and then the twenty fifteen NFC Championship game

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<v Speaker 1>season where the Cardinals went to Carolina and loss. I

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<v Speaker 1>even think you might have done the Cardinal Panther playoff

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<v Speaker 1>game back in wait, Am I right on that it

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<v Speaker 1>was the Kurt Warner game Jake Dilombe through four picks?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you call that game?

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<v Speaker 2>I did? I think that was Jake Dilome's birthday if

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<v Speaker 2>I remember correctly, yes, and he threw all those picks.

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<v Speaker 2>You know when I when I think back, the first

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<v Speaker 2>ever game day that I worked on Fox was back

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<v Speaker 2>on nine to four ninety four. It was Buddy Ryan's

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<v Speaker 2>first game as Cardinals head coach. It was against the

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<v Speaker 2>then LA Rams the year before they moved to Saint Louis.

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<v Speaker 2>And remember that game that weekend very well. And then

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<v Speaker 2>through the Vince Tobin years, Dave McGinnis, I could probably

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<v Speaker 2>name all the all the head coaches in order over

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<v Speaker 2>the last thirty years, but the first ever game was

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<v Speaker 2>a Cardinal game. Did work that playoff game that that

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<v Speaker 2>you mentioned in Carolina as well, which would not be

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<v Speaker 2>that memorable for the Cardinals, although the next month and

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<v Speaker 2>a half certainly was the Super Bowl year. I worked

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<v Speaker 2>the game in New England where the Cardinals were blown

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<v Speaker 2>out late in the season in December, and I remember

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<v Speaker 2>meeting with some of the players and coaches and it

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<v Speaker 2>turns out about ten players on the roster had never

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<v Speaker 2>seen snow before. And I'm sure you remember the game

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<v Speaker 2>in a snowstorm in New England and they got blown

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<v Speaker 2>out and then go to the Super Bowl about six

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<v Speaker 2>weeks later.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The thing that I remember the most about that

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<v Speaker 1>game is and you know where the booth is. Obviously

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<v Speaker 1>in New England, you're out in the stands for the

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<v Speaker 1>most part. I mean you're in a booth, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>still in the stands, and people were throwing snowballs all

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<v Speaker 1>over the place, and some were coming into the booth.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we were dodging snowballs while we were broadcasting

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<v Speaker 1>what we thought was probably a harbinger of things to come,

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<v Speaker 1>and the season was going to end horribly. I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 1>Chris collins Worth, everybody knows what he said. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, worst playoff team in history. Obviously, the Cardinals

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<v Speaker 1>proved that they weren't going to the Super Bowl as

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<v Speaker 1>a magical year. Twenty fifteen was a great year. I

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<v Speaker 1>like you, Kenny, I'm encouraged by the coaching staff. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>encouraged by Monti Austin for it. Based on the games

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<v Speaker 1>you called so far, I mean, do you see a

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<v Speaker 1>bright future? Do you see a light at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the tunnel based on your experience so far?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I do absolutely. You know, all you have to

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<v Speaker 2>do is look back at that game in New England

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<v Speaker 2>and see how quickly things can turn around. But no,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a terrific organization from mister Bidwell on

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<v Speaker 2>down and put together. You know, a young coaching staff,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think one that is certainly on the rise,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just impressive watching how hard the team works,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, despite the injuries and some of the other issues.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, as far as the depth chart is concerned.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Josh Stobbs finally getting a chance. He's a

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<v Speaker 2>great story. You know, we really enjoy talking to him,

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<v Speaker 2>hearing about the aerospace engineering major and some of his

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<v Speaker 2>toughest classes and back in the college days. And I

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<v Speaker 2>know he's a guy that Ben Roethlisberger really relied on

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<v Speaker 2>heavily during Josh's four years in Pittsburgh, on the sidelines

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<v Speaker 2>during games at practices. So you know, you're happy to

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<v Speaker 2>see a guy like that finally get a chance it

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<v Speaker 2>might not be long term, obviously with Kyler Murray on

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<v Speaker 2>the way back, but really enjoy talking to the players

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<v Speaker 2>and coaches and it is impressive, you know how hard

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<v Speaker 2>they work throughout despite you know, some of the issues

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<v Speaker 2>roster wise. So far this year, you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Working now NFL games with Jonathan Vilma, who was a

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<v Speaker 1>great New Orleans Saint linebacker. And I'm sure for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time, Kenny, you were the young guy in the booth.

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<v Speaker 1>You were working with guys that were older than you.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm starting to get to the point in my

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<v Speaker 1>career where, you know, I'm starting to work with guys

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<v Speaker 1>that I covered when they played, and now I'm working

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<v Speaker 1>with them. I mean, obviously you probably did a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of John Filma games. Are you seeing that more and

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<v Speaker 1>more across the sports you work where you're starting to

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<v Speaker 1>work with guys and starting to groom guys and mentor

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<v Speaker 1>guys that you actually covered while they played.

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<v Speaker 2>It has taken that turn, Dave, And you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>think back, I'm sure you have the same memories. When

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<v Speaker 2>we started, we were younger than all of the players

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<v Speaker 2>and coaches, and now we're older than all of the

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<v Speaker 2>players and many of the coaches, So I guess when

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<v Speaker 2>you're around for as long as we have been, that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be the case. But it's fun to work with,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, whether it's Jonathan Willem or or some of

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<v Speaker 2>the other analysts that I work with and that you

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<v Speaker 2>work with. Did cover a lot of Jonathan's games, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's really worked hard in the broadcasting business. It's his

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<v Speaker 2>fourth year at Fox. He worked in the studio at

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<v Speaker 2>ESPN on some college football shows as well, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>fun to be somewhat of a mentor and guide them along.

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<v Speaker 2>And as we tape this yesterday, I worked them asoda

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<v Speaker 2>items game and ironically, Kevin O'Connell, their head coach, was

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<v Speaker 2>one of my pupils. I guess you can call it.

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<v Speaker 2>At the NFL Broadcast boot Camp about ten years ago

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<v Speaker 2>when it was held down in Southern Jersey at NFL Films.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's out in California every summer, but the NFL

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<v Speaker 2>brings in about twenty either recently retired players or players

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<v Speaker 2>who are still active but might want to get into

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<v Speaker 2>the broadcasting world. And this one particular day, Nate Burlison,

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<v Speaker 2>who's done a great job at CBS, both in sports

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<v Speaker 2>and News, Tim Hasselbeck, who's gone on into a real

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<v Speaker 2>good career at ESPN, and Kevin O'Connell were all part

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<v Speaker 2>of that group and they've all gone on to have

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<v Speaker 2>major success. But whether it's a Jonathan Willema or a

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<v Speaker 2>Rendez Barber who was my previous partner, a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>fun working with these guys. They're such hard workers they

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<v Speaker 2>were during their playing careers and they put so many

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<v Speaker 2>hours into it during the week as broadcasts as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Early on I worked with Ron Pitt's, Anthony Moon, Brian Baldinger,

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<v Speaker 2>Tim Green, they were all older than me, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it became somewhat balanced. During the years I

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<v Speaker 2>spent with Moose Johnson and Tony Sarah Goose, we were

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<v Speaker 2>all around the same age, and now it's been Rende

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<v Speaker 2>Barber and Jonathan Vilma, who were at least ten or

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<v Speaker 2>twelve years younger. So it's a lot of fun, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>helping them along at the start of their careers.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've written a book called The Mic for All Seasons, Kenny,

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<v Speaker 1>Why now, what was the reason behind the timing and

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<v Speaker 1>how long did it take you to write the book

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<v Speaker 1>to try to remember all the stories? Did you take

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<v Speaker 1>notes over the years or do you just have great recall.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, to answer the first part of the question, always

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<v Speaker 2>felt like I had a lot of stories and at

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<v Speaker 2>some point wanted to put it down on paper. And

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<v Speaker 2>my family kind of pushed me. My wife and two daughters.

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<v Speaker 2>They've been, you know, at me for a while as

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<v Speaker 2>far as potentially writing a book. And I also speak

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<v Speaker 2>as you do, I'm sure with so many different high

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<v Speaker 2>school and college broadcasting camps classes throughout the year, try

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<v Speaker 2>to give advice to youngsters who were looking to get

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<v Speaker 2>into the business. So I wanted that to be a

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<v Speaker 2>part of it as well. And whenever I speak with them,

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<v Speaker 2>they asked so many good questions and you wind up

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<v Speaker 2>giving a lot of the same answers, telling the same stories.

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<v Speaker 2>So really, during the pandemic back in April and May

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty, when we were all home and I was

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<v Speaker 2>home for one hundred and forty six straight days, that's

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<v Speaker 2>when I really started to put the plans in place.

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<v Speaker 2>I had been contacted by a book agent out of

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<v Speaker 2>New York named Andrew Blowner several years prior, and he

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<v Speaker 2>sent me an email said, if you ever thinking about

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<v Speaker 2>writing a book, let me know might be able to

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<v Speaker 2>hook you up with a publisher, and sure enough he

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<v Speaker 2>did with Triumph Books out of Chicago, and during the pandemic,

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<v Speaker 2>I put together an outline, started writing some sample chapters,

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<v Speaker 2>portions of chapters, did it all myself, did not have

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<v Speaker 2>a ghostwriter. Wanted it to be my words, my stories,

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<v Speaker 2>and I enjoy writing. I had done a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>it back in high school and college. Overall, it probably

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<v Speaker 2>took about a little over two years from the time

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<v Speaker 2>when I absolutely started back in twenty twenty until I

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<v Speaker 2>had to submit it to the publisher in September of

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty two. Now it wasn't like I was working

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<v Speaker 2>on it every day. There were periods during the seasons

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<v Speaker 2>where I might not have done anything for three weeks

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<v Speaker 2>or a month, So it was on and off at home,

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<v Speaker 2>in hotels, on airplanes. So about a two year process

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<v Speaker 2>as far as the writing, and then once I submitted it,

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<v Speaker 2>we went back and forth a bunch of times with

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<v Speaker 2>the editing and making corrections and changes. So I finally

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<v Speaker 2>saw the first copies about six weeks ago. Was very

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<v Speaker 2>excited when those boxes arrived at the house and it

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<v Speaker 2>officially was released to the public about three weeks ago

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<v Speaker 2>October tenth. It just a compilation of early life, getting

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<v Speaker 2>into the business, working minor league hockey for two years,

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<v Speaker 2>stories about each of the different sports that I've broadcast,

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<v Speaker 2>travel tales. I'm sure you have many of those. Stories

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<v Speaker 2>about calling the Olympics, stories about the two hundred plus

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<v Speaker 2>color analysts that I've worked with, a chapter on paying

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<v Speaker 2>it forward to the young broadcasters out there, a chapter

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<v Speaker 2>about the pandemic and how we broadcasted games during that time,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot about family and hard work and dedication. And

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<v Speaker 2>then to answer the latter portion of your question, I

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<v Speaker 2>do seem to have a pretty good memory. Wrote a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of it from memory. I do keep all of

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<v Speaker 2>my charts, my scorecards from the games, which are all

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<v Speaker 2>in a big file cabinet to my left. I have

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<v Speaker 2>about ninety five percent of them from the last thirty years.

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<v Speaker 2>So I would you know, I would go into the

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<v Speaker 2>into the files and check certain things, would Google, just

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<v Speaker 2>a fact check and make sure my memory is correct

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<v Speaker 2>on dates and games. And there were some things that

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<v Speaker 2>I did not remember absolutely as they took place, so

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<v Speaker 2>there was some fact checking. But it was a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of fun and really honored that Wayne Gretzky and wal

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<v Speaker 2>Clyde Fraser took part. They wrote the forwards. Their names

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<v Speaker 2>were on the cover right underneath mine. So it was

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of fun and really enjoying hearing the feedback

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<v Speaker 2>from people who have read the book so far.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I was going to ask you about both those

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<v Speaker 1>guys in your relationship with both, because I did see

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<v Speaker 1>the forward by both of them. When did those relationships start?

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<v Speaker 1>And was that an easy ask? I mean, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>you know both Clyde and Wayne Gretzky, but probably Gretzky

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<v Speaker 1>more than Clyde. Get asked a lot of things like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>can you do this for me? Can you do that

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<v Speaker 1>for me? How did you get was how did that go?

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<v Speaker 1>The ask for Wayne Gretzky to write the forward to

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<v Speaker 1>your book?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they were both so great about it. And Wayne

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<v Speaker 2>I got to know a little bit back in the

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<v Speaker 2>late nineties when he was playing for the Rangers. I

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<v Speaker 2>was doing the radio and on many of the flights,

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<v Speaker 2>he would come up and sit in the area where

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<v Speaker 2>the broadcasters would sit and he admittedly it's it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>public knowledge. He's not a huge fan of flying, so

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<v Speaker 2>he would come over and chat with the great John Davidson,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was always in that area of the playing

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<v Speaker 2>along with Sam Rosan and Salmasina, you know Hall of

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<v Speaker 2>Fame broadcasters, and Wayne would just want to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>sports and life in general, and it would kind of

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<v Speaker 2>keep his mind off the flight. So I knew him,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, during those three years, got to know him

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit. But then the last two and a

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<v Speaker 2>half years, he's been part of our team with the

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<v Speaker 2>NHL on TNT. He's on the pregame show, the postgame show,

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<v Speaker 2>not every week, but he's there for the special events,

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<v Speaker 2>and then travels with us in the playoffs. So the

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<v Speaker 2>last two years, for two weeks each season, Wayne Gretzky

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<v Speaker 2>and the entire Turner pregame crew have been on the

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<v Speaker 2>road with our game crew. So have gotten to know

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<v Speaker 2>him a lot better. He's as great a person as

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<v Speaker 2>he wasn't playing, and that's pretty hard to say. And

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<v Speaker 2>wal Clyde Frasier I've worked with for about fifteen years now,

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<v Speaker 2>approximately fifteen games per year on MSG Networks, and again,

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<v Speaker 2>another as good as he was as a player, he's

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<v Speaker 2>an even better person. He's the only basketball player in

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<v Speaker 2>the Hall of Fame as a player and a broadcaster

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<v Speaker 2>as well. He was inducted last year on the broadcast

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<v Speaker 2>side with both of them. My initial thought was to

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<v Speaker 2>have four people, one for each sport, whom I've worked with,

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<v Speaker 2>but the publisher explained to me that it's too much

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<v Speaker 2>clutter on the front have four names. They said it

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<v Speaker 2>would be better with two, especially these two names. So

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<v Speaker 2>went with Clyde and Wayne, and they were both great

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<v Speaker 2>about it. I had emailed Wayne and asked him if

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<v Speaker 2>he would be interested in writing something. I even offered

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<v Speaker 2>a ghostwriter for him for the forward, and he said, nope,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll do it myself, and he was tremendous about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And Clyde was the same way. As soon as I asked,

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<v Speaker 2>he was happy to do it. They've both done it

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<v Speaker 2>many times before. And like I said, it's surreal to

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<v Speaker 2>look at the cover and see both of their names

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<v Speaker 2>on there.

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<v Speaker 1>That's very cool, man, and Kenny. One of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that I respect so much about you, And admittedly I

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<v Speaker 1>don't get to watch a lot obviously on Sunday because

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<v Speaker 1>the Cardinals are playing, but the other sports you do

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<v Speaker 1>and have done over the years, and NFL playoff games

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<v Speaker 1>you've done where the Cardinals aren't playing and I'm at

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<v Speaker 1>home watching. It's always about the game. You don't make

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<v Speaker 1>it about yourself. You try to get the most out

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<v Speaker 1>of your analyst, and it's about the game. And not

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<v Speaker 1>everybody calls it that way. And I always felt that

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<v Speaker 1>that's what the fan wants. The fan wants it to

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<v Speaker 1>be about the game. Yes, it's entertainment. You have to

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<v Speaker 1>be entertaining, but you can't sacrifice documentation of the game.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that happens nowadays. We're a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people they're trying to, you know, make a name for

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<v Speaker 1>themsel elves are trying to climb the ladder, and sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>they think by making it about themselves or making documentation

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<v Speaker 1>the second or third most important thing during a broadcast,

0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:13.359
<v Speaker 1>they think it's going to help them, but it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you been tempted at all. You've been doing this

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<v Speaker 1>for so long at a network level, have you been

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<v Speaker 1>tempted it all to compromise that or to change that?

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<v Speaker 1>Given how the business has changed them, think about talk radio,

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<v Speaker 1>think about podcasting, and how personality driven sports content has

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<v Speaker 1>changed so much since we got started doing play by play.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, first of all, I appreciate it, appreciate the kind words.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that that's just how I was brought up,

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<v Speaker 2>how I learned to do play by play. It's about

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<v Speaker 2>the game. The analysts or the experts they were, the

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<v Speaker 2>former players or coaches. You know, I'm sort of the

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<v Speaker 2>traffic cop on a football game, for example. I'll set

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<v Speaker 2>up the play, call the play, recap the play, and

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<v Speaker 2>then and then get out of the way for the animal.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, we all do so much work during

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<v Speaker 2>the week to prepare, but come Sunday, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>about the game. It's about what's taking place on the field.

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<v Speaker 2>And ironically, some of the times that I've received praise

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<v Speaker 2>in the media, whether in a you know, a newspaper

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<v Speaker 2>column or on talk radio, has been when I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>said anything. And you know, that's kind of funny to

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<v Speaker 2>say as a play by play announcer. But the Bautista

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<v Speaker 2>home run in Batflip in twenty fifteen is one of

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<v Speaker 2>the calls that I get asked about the most, which

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<v Speaker 2>is which is ironic because I do less baseball than

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<v Speaker 2>the other sports. But I called the home run and

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<v Speaker 2>then I shut up for about twenty or thirty seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>A big game seven overtime goal in hockey two years

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<v Speaker 2>ago on TNT the Rangers against Pittsburgh. According to Phil

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<v Speaker 2>Mushtik of The New York Post, I called the goal

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<v Speaker 2>and then I laid out or shut up in layman's terms,

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<v Speaker 2>for a minute fifty six seconds. So it's kind of,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like I said, it's ironic. But some of

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<v Speaker 2>the times that we get the biggest praise is when

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<v Speaker 2>we don't say anything, and I think it's it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in both of those cases, it was a home run

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<v Speaker 2>or a goal scored by a home team player, so

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<v Speaker 2>the crowd is going to be giving, you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>great reaction for the viewers. So the director and the

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<v Speaker 2>folks in the truck, you know, work their magic and

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<v Speaker 2>show what's going on on the field or ice, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they're panning to the crowd and the celebrations. So

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<v Speaker 2>now TV and radio are a lot different. I do

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<v Speaker 2>hockey on the radio as well, and in that medium,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, as you know, working Cardinals games on the radio,

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<v Speaker 2>and you go back and forth between radio and TV

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<v Speaker 2>on various sports. But it's a whole different animal, and

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<v Speaker 2>I talk about that in the book as well. On radio,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to be so descriptive and give the time

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<v Speaker 2>and score a lot more often, and on big plays,

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<v Speaker 2>you only you know, lay out for about a second

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<v Speaker 2>and a half and then you have to come back in.

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<v Speaker 2>So again, I know I'm giving a long answer to

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<v Speaker 2>a short question, but I feel it's always about the game.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really have a signature call, you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>some people do on home runs or goals or three

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<v Speaker 2>point shots. But I guess it goes back to how

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<v Speaker 2>I was taught and how I learned many years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>So along those lines, your father Marv, who obviously is

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<v Speaker 1>Hall of Fame broadcaster like yourself, and look, I went

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<v Speaker 1>to Syracuse because of your dad. I grew up in Madison, Wisconsin,

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<v Speaker 1>and back then you didn't have social media, you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have cell phones. So the only way that I even

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<v Speaker 1>knew Syracuse had and I liked Syracuse basketball, so I

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<v Speaker 1>would watch Syracuse basketball all the time. They were kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like, you know, the Lakers of college basketball with

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<v Speaker 1>Sherman Douglas and Derek Coleman. They were on TV all

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<v Speaker 1>the time on ESPN, and Dick vi Teo was calling

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<v Speaker 1>the games. And you know, I had watched obviously a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of of pro sports and had followed your dad

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<v Speaker 1>and Bob Costas, and you know, dick by Tel starts

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<v Speaker 1>talking about Marv Albert and Bob Costas going to Syracuse.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was such a fan of Syracuse that and

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<v Speaker 1>I knew I wanted to get into broadcasting, but I

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<v Speaker 1>had no idea that they had this great broadcast school.

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<v Speaker 1>So because of my passion for Syracuse basketball, that's how

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<v Speaker 1>I found out. I didn't read it in you know,

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<v Speaker 1>on Twitter. I didn't get a phone call about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't see it on the internet. That's how I

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<v Speaker 1>found out. So I'm just curious, you know, from your standpoint,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what it was like. How did you Was

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<v Speaker 1>it just your dad? Was it others that taught you?

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<v Speaker 1>And what was it like growing up in Albert.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, first of all, you know, it's funny how things

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<v Speaker 2>come full circle. I did not go to Syracuse, although,

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<v Speaker 2>as you and I discussed in person last week, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>an honorary member because I paid a tuition for my

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<v Speaker 2>older daughter who went there and graduated a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>years ago. And just this morning, I woke up in

0:22:56.280 --> 0:22:59.720
<v Speaker 2>your hometown of Madison, Wisconsin. I did the Green Bay

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<v Speaker 2>Packers game yesterday and then went to visit my other

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<v Speaker 2>daughter who's a student at Wisconsin. So I was just

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<v Speaker 2>in Madison about ten hours ago. But growing up, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't really know anything different. I was so used

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<v Speaker 2>to it, growing up with a father and two uncles

0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:19.199
<v Speaker 2>his brothers who were also play by play broadcasters, and

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<v Speaker 2>to me, it was the greatest thing. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>got to go to all these games. I would go

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<v Speaker 2>to Knicks games and Rangers games, and my parents bought

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<v Speaker 2>me a taper quoder for my birthday when I was

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<v Speaker 2>five years old, and I started announcing games into the

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<v Speaker 2>taper quoder in my bedroom. And I was never forced

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<v Speaker 2>to do what. I was never told you have to

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<v Speaker 2>go into this business. But I was just around it

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<v Speaker 2>all the time and really enjoyed it. And when I

0:23:41.480 --> 0:23:43.280
<v Speaker 2>was old enough, I would tag along with him to

0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:46.840
<v Speaker 2>games and to the WNBC Channel four studio in New York,

0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:50.320
<v Speaker 2>and when I was about fifteen, I would start keeping

0:23:50.359 --> 0:23:54.080
<v Speaker 2>stats for him at Knicks games, Rangers games, NFL games,

0:23:54.119 --> 0:23:58.080
<v Speaker 2>and more so than anything that he really ever taught me,

0:23:58.200 --> 0:23:59.640
<v Speaker 2>It's not like he ever sat me down and gave

0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:02.280
<v Speaker 2>me lefts, since it was more just watching and learning

0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:05.240
<v Speaker 2>via osmosis, watching the preparation that goes into each and

0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:09.080
<v Speaker 2>every broadcast, whether at home or in a hotel room somewhere.

0:24:10.080 --> 0:24:12.200
<v Speaker 2>And then when I was in the booth keeping the stats,

0:24:12.800 --> 0:24:16.000
<v Speaker 2>just watching the communication, the synergy that he had with

0:24:16.080 --> 0:24:19.560
<v Speaker 2>all of his color analysts, and watching the communication between

0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:23.480
<v Speaker 2>the announcers and the production folks in the truck. So

0:24:24.600 --> 0:24:27.680
<v Speaker 2>back in those days, and we're around the same age,

0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:30.159
<v Speaker 2>you couldn't really start doing this until college, so I

0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:35.040
<v Speaker 2>felt like I had a head start just by observing. Also,

0:24:35.520 --> 0:24:37.399
<v Speaker 2>and I write about this in the book, A huge

0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:40.439
<v Speaker 2>break occurred when I was in tenth grade and I

0:24:40.520 --> 0:24:43.720
<v Speaker 2>was covering sporting events at my high school for the

0:24:43.720 --> 0:24:47.280
<v Speaker 2>town paper and for the school paper. Tenth grade, I'm

0:24:47.400 --> 0:24:50.440
<v Speaker 2>there covering a girls' basketball game, and all of a sudden,

0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:53.720
<v Speaker 2>this local cable station shows up, Cox Cable of Great Neck,

0:24:53.760 --> 0:24:57.240
<v Speaker 2>which is a neighboring town, and the athletic director at

0:24:57.280 --> 0:24:59.880
<v Speaker 2>my school introduced me to the producer and it turned

0:24:59.880 --> 0:25:02.360
<v Speaker 2>out they did not have announcers. They had a little

0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:06.040
<v Speaker 2>production van and two cameras. That was it. So I

0:25:06.119 --> 0:25:08.840
<v Speaker 2>volunteered to announce the game. They clipped a microphone onto

0:25:08.840 --> 0:25:11.119
<v Speaker 2>my shirt. I did that game and then for the

0:25:11.160 --> 0:25:14.200
<v Speaker 2>next two and a half years in high school, worked

0:25:14.200 --> 0:25:17.320
<v Speaker 2>about seventy five to one hundred games for Cox Cable,

0:25:17.400 --> 0:25:22.879
<v Speaker 2>and I would bring friends along as color commentators. And again,

0:25:22.920 --> 0:25:24.320
<v Speaker 2>I felt like I had a two and a half

0:25:24.359 --> 0:25:26.400
<v Speaker 2>three year head start at the time because other kids

0:25:26.400 --> 0:25:29.320
<v Speaker 2>really did not get this opportunity until they went off

0:25:29.320 --> 0:25:29.880
<v Speaker 2>to college.

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<v Speaker 1>What was your best or one of the most memorable

0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:40.879
<v Speaker 1>childhood celebrity stories that you remember that you know, whether

0:25:40.920 --> 0:25:43.960
<v Speaker 1>it was meeting somebody at a game you were with

0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:46.600
<v Speaker 1>with your dad or your uncle's, or just somebody that

0:25:46.720 --> 0:25:48.520
<v Speaker 1>was over at the house that you had a chance

0:25:48.560 --> 0:25:50.000
<v Speaker 1>to meet or even interview.

0:25:50.760 --> 0:25:53.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, I have a couple. I'm looking behind me now

0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:57.000
<v Speaker 2>in my home office at photos with Wayne Gretzky and

0:25:57.040 --> 0:26:01.639
<v Speaker 2>Reggie Jackson back then when when I tagged along, he

0:26:01.680 --> 0:26:04.879
<v Speaker 2>did interviews with both. I was about eleven when I

0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:08.280
<v Speaker 2>met Reggie, in about fifteen or sixteen when I met Wayne,

0:26:08.480 --> 0:26:10.639
<v Speaker 2>and I'm pretty sure both of those photos made it

0:26:10.640 --> 0:26:14.760
<v Speaker 2>into the book. But he also did invite friends slash

0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:17.480
<v Speaker 2>athletes over to the house at times when I was

0:26:17.520 --> 0:26:20.560
<v Speaker 2>growing up, and doctor J. Julius Irving was one who

0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:24.400
<v Speaker 2>came over on a number of occasions. My parents would

0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:27.159
<v Speaker 2>play tennis with him and he would play basketball in

0:26:27.160 --> 0:26:29.160
<v Speaker 2>the driveway. My mother once beat him in a game

0:26:29.200 --> 0:26:32.040
<v Speaker 2>of horse at his house, believe it or not, when

0:26:32.040 --> 0:26:34.080
<v Speaker 2>he still lived on Long Island playing for the Nets

0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:36.360
<v Speaker 2>before he went to the seventy six ers. And there

0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:39.520
<v Speaker 2>was another time Phil Jackson who was playing for the

0:26:39.560 --> 0:26:42.600
<v Speaker 2>Knicks at the time, and they were friendly, and I

0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:44.280
<v Speaker 2>was about eight or nine years old, and a friend

0:26:44.320 --> 0:26:47.880
<v Speaker 2>of mine named Dale de Leo. We beat Phil Jackson. Well,

0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:49.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure if we beat him, but we played

0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:51.480
<v Speaker 2>him two on one basketball in the driveway. I remember

0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:54.760
<v Speaker 2>dribbling the ball between his legs. So those are some

0:26:54.840 --> 0:26:55.960
<v Speaker 2>of the memories that stand out.

0:26:56.119 --> 0:26:58.640
<v Speaker 1>I beat Bill Walton one on one about three years ago.

0:26:58.680 --> 0:27:01.480
<v Speaker 1>But keeping mind built can't move, so it wasn't like

0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:02.080
<v Speaker 1>it was hard.

0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:04.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, all I had to do was we watched

0:27:04.560 --> 0:27:07.399
<v Speaker 2>Bill actually was once watching in Chicago. He was working

0:27:07.400 --> 0:27:10.520
<v Speaker 2>for NBC and I was there keeping stats, you know,

0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:14.719
<v Speaker 2>back before before the professional career began on air. I

0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 2>wound up on a on a three on one break

0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:20.800
<v Speaker 2>with Magic Johnson and another friend of mine who were

0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:24.200
<v Speaker 2>part of this NBC pickup game, and it was so exciting.

0:27:24.240 --> 0:27:26.840
<v Speaker 2>Bill was actually sitting there watching. He couldn't play because

0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:30.800
<v Speaker 2>of his knees. But Bill actually watched me, you know,

0:27:31.119 --> 0:27:34.440
<v Speaker 2>pass the ball to magic. But I think your story

0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:35.160
<v Speaker 2>is a little bit better.

0:27:35.680 --> 0:27:37.399
<v Speaker 1>Hey, you got to play with magic? What do you

0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:42.520
<v Speaker 1>mean that's that's a great story. That's awesome. Man. You

0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:46.640
<v Speaker 1>talked about how your your dad never pushed you into broadcasting,

0:27:46.640 --> 0:27:49.880
<v Speaker 1>and you already mentioned your daughters won a Syracuse alum

0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:54.280
<v Speaker 1>and the other in Madison at Wisconsin, like I thankfully

0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:58.320
<v Speaker 1>we don't have. My wife is not a big sports fan,

0:27:58.400 --> 0:28:01.840
<v Speaker 1>my my two daughters, one of them is, but she's

0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:04.879
<v Speaker 1>trying to be an actress, so broadcasting really wasn't something

0:28:04.920 --> 0:28:07.320
<v Speaker 1>she was interested in. And my son's a sportsman. But

0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:10.240
<v Speaker 1>I haven't really pushed it because I just my dad

0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:12.439
<v Speaker 1>is an attorney. He never pushed me, and I just

0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:15.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I figure if it's something that he's

0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:18.040
<v Speaker 1>interested in, he'll let me know, and if he wants help,

0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:21.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm happy to help him. Have How have you found

0:28:21.160 --> 0:28:25.320
<v Speaker 1>that in terms of your children, knowing that you could

0:28:25.359 --> 0:28:28.040
<v Speaker 1>assist getting into a business it's very hard to get into,

0:28:28.440 --> 0:28:28.840
<v Speaker 1>but not.

0:28:28.920 --> 0:28:32.240
<v Speaker 2>Pushing, right, I mean I was never pushed. Like I said,

0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:37.320
<v Speaker 2>I did receive a lot of opportunities to go to

0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:39.520
<v Speaker 2>games and to be in the press box and to

0:28:39.600 --> 0:28:43.920
<v Speaker 2>help out, so that that was certainly, yeah, that was

0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:46.080
<v Speaker 2>probably a big part of it early on. But he

0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:53.280
<v Speaker 2>never pushed, you know, never never really openly opened any doors.

0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:53.480
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:58.720
<v Speaker 2>It was more me just again observing and learning via osmosis.

0:28:58.840 --> 0:29:01.000
<v Speaker 2>And yes, I met a lot of people which led

0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:05.960
<v Speaker 2>to internships and other opportunities, but I think he sat

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:08.240
<v Speaker 2>back and let me, you know, do the hard work

0:29:08.280 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 2>and kind of figure things out. I have two daughters.

0:29:11.600 --> 0:29:13.920
<v Speaker 2>My older one who went to Syracuse, actually does work

0:29:13.960 --> 0:29:16.800
<v Speaker 2>in the business behind the scenes. She never really had

0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:19.920
<v Speaker 2>any aspirations of being on air, although she did some

0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:23.440
<v Speaker 2>on air work in class at Syracuse. But she's doing

0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:26.760
<v Speaker 2>a terrific job as a as a video producer editor

0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:29.880
<v Speaker 2>at the NHL at the National Hockey League office, and

0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:32.880
<v Speaker 2>she learned how to use you know, all that fancy equipment.

0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:35.240
<v Speaker 2>At Syracuse. She had a great internship with the athletic

0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:39.440
<v Speaker 2>department and would edit highlights during the second pandemic here

0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:42.200
<v Speaker 2>actually when when fans were not allowed into the Carrier Dome,

0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:45.480
<v Speaker 2>she was she was in the building, editing football and

0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:49.080
<v Speaker 2>basketball highlights, so she always she she wound up with

0:29:49.120 --> 0:29:53.720
<v Speaker 2>a passion for the editing and producing work. And my

0:29:53.760 --> 0:29:57.200
<v Speaker 2>younger one at Wisconsin, she is a journalism major. Not

0:29:57.240 --> 0:30:01.120
<v Speaker 2>sure exactly what directions show had in but really never

0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:03.560
<v Speaker 2>put any pressure on them as well, just like no

0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:05.560
<v Speaker 2>pressure was ever put on me. And it sounds like

0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:06.240
<v Speaker 2>on you either.

0:30:07.160 --> 0:30:09.320
<v Speaker 1>So I get asked a lot, as I'm sure you do,

0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:11.600
<v Speaker 1>about you know, what's your favorite, what do you enjoy most?

0:30:11.640 --> 0:30:14.240
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I'm not doing four sports or five

0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:16.240
<v Speaker 1>sports if you include the Olympics, but you know, I'm

0:30:16.280 --> 0:30:19.920
<v Speaker 1>doing NFL and college football, which are essentially two different sports,

0:30:19.960 --> 0:30:24.320
<v Speaker 1>and NBA and college basketball. Again it's basketball, but very different,

0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:26.240
<v Speaker 1>and I love all of it. I'm glad I don't

0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:29.880
<v Speaker 1>have to choose, but I know other people will openly say, yeah,

0:30:29.880 --> 0:30:32.400
<v Speaker 1>this is my favorite, this particular sport. Do you do

0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:34.440
<v Speaker 1>you have a favorite or is it I mean, is

0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:38.000
<v Speaker 1>it one where you enjoy whatever game you're doing in

0:30:38.000 --> 0:30:38.360
<v Speaker 1>the moment.

0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:41.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm similar to you, where I enjoy whatever game I'm

0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:44.160
<v Speaker 2>doing in the moment. Very fortunate to be involved in

0:30:44.560 --> 0:30:47.360
<v Speaker 2>so many different sports, and you know, like you said,

0:30:47.360 --> 0:30:50.040
<v Speaker 2>you're involved in four because the NFL and college football

0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:53.520
<v Speaker 2>are distinctly different, and the NBA and college basketball are

0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:56.640
<v Speaker 2>distinctly different, and you do a terrific job. I enjoy

0:30:56.720 --> 0:30:58.120
<v Speaker 2>watching all of the games that you do in the

0:30:58.160 --> 0:31:02.880
<v Speaker 2>various sports. To me, when I was younger, hockey was

0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:05.240
<v Speaker 2>probably the passion, but I loved all the other ones,

0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:11.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, they weren't that far behind. I was watching hockey, football, basketball, baseball,

0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:13.440
<v Speaker 2>calling all of them into the tape recorder. My goal

0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:15.440
<v Speaker 2>was to do hockey on the radio. That was really

0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:17.920
<v Speaker 2>in high school and college, you know, that was what

0:31:17.960 --> 0:31:19.680
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to do. And I was very fortunate to

0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:21.960
<v Speaker 2>get hired by a minor league team in Baltimore, the

0:31:22.000 --> 0:31:25.320
<v Speaker 2>Skip Jacks, and spent two years there and really learned

0:31:25.360 --> 0:31:28.800
<v Speaker 2>so much about what goes into running a professional sports organization.

0:31:28.880 --> 0:31:31.640
<v Speaker 2>I also had to do tr and sales and marketing

0:31:31.720 --> 0:31:34.560
<v Speaker 2>and pick up players at the airport, really whatever they needed.

0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:39.080
<v Speaker 2>But I had had the experience at Cox Cable working

0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:41.880
<v Speaker 2>so many different sports, and then when I wound up

0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:45.400
<v Speaker 2>working in Washington, hired for hockey but would fill in

0:31:45.440 --> 0:31:50.360
<v Speaker 2>on basketball and baseball and men's college basketball, women's college basketball,

0:31:50.400 --> 0:31:53.280
<v Speaker 2>and then the huge break in ninety four when Rupert

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:57.560
<v Speaker 2>Murdoch acquired the rights of the NFC package and Fox

0:31:57.840 --> 0:32:00.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, took it away from CBS after thirty five

0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:02.920
<v Speaker 2>plus years, and the executives you know, decided to hire

0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:05.240
<v Speaker 2>Pat Summer all on, John Madden is the number one crew,

0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:08.200
<v Speaker 2>greatest of all time, Dick Stockton, and Matt Millan is

0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:10.440
<v Speaker 2>the number two crew. And then they took a chance

0:32:10.520 --> 0:32:14.960
<v Speaker 2>on four young play by play announcers. Joe Buck, Kevin Harlan,

0:32:15.480 --> 0:32:17.800
<v Speaker 2>Tom Brenneman and I were all hired in ninety four,

0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:20.320
<v Speaker 2>and I don't think any of us ever thought that

0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:23.400
<v Speaker 2>we'd be doing football on network TV, let alone at

0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:26.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, at that age. So being involved in the

0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:30.840
<v Speaker 2>NFL for thirty years has been incredible. Calling the Stanley

0:32:30.840 --> 0:32:34.800
<v Speaker 2>Cup Final on NBC a couple of years ago TMT

0:32:35.040 --> 0:32:38.320
<v Speaker 2>last year, working on the lead crew with the NHL

0:32:38.360 --> 0:32:41.840
<v Speaker 2>on TNT is also incredible. And also really enjoyed doing

0:32:41.880 --> 0:32:45.840
<v Speaker 2>basketball and baseball too. So I always say it's like

0:32:45.840 --> 0:32:48.920
<v Speaker 2>asking which kid you like that four of them, as

0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:51.400
<v Speaker 2>you said, really love, you know, whatever game is being

0:32:51.400 --> 0:32:54.760
<v Speaker 2>played on that particular day. This week, I have a

0:32:54.800 --> 0:33:00.400
<v Speaker 2>hockey game on TNT Wednesday, basketball game on Friday, Nixon

0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:03.680
<v Speaker 2>Milwaukee Bucks, and then the Commanders and Patriots on Sunday.

0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:06.160
<v Speaker 2>So you know, similar to you, it's a hectic time.

0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:08.840
<v Speaker 2>Three sports this week and really love them all.

0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Well, you're great at all of it. You've been great

0:33:10.800 --> 0:33:13.600
<v Speaker 1>at all of it for so long. Last question, and

0:33:13.640 --> 0:33:15.400
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's along the lines of what you just

0:33:15.480 --> 0:33:18.400
<v Speaker 1>mentioned with the games you have, Like I've got Lakers

0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:22.640
<v Speaker 1>Clippers Wednesday, Bedlam, Oklahoma Oklahoma State Saturday, and then I

0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:26.560
<v Speaker 1>got to get to Cleveland for the Cardinal Sunday. It

0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:33.000
<v Speaker 1>is certainly the most stressful part and the least glorious

0:33:33.040 --> 0:33:35.800
<v Speaker 1>part of what we do. And that's the travel and

0:33:35.840 --> 0:33:39.320
<v Speaker 1>the stress of getting from one game to the next,

0:33:39.560 --> 0:33:45.320
<v Speaker 1>especially when it's multiple employers. Do you have a crazy

0:33:46.080 --> 0:33:50.160
<v Speaker 1>or you probably maybe have several crazy travel stories and

0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:51.840
<v Speaker 1>we'll leave you with that one.

0:33:52.560 --> 0:33:54.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, you and I are real fortunate to work for

0:33:54.600 --> 0:33:58.200
<v Speaker 2>multiple employers who allow us to do what we do

0:33:58.360 --> 0:34:00.840
<v Speaker 2>and keep up the jigsaw puzzle of the schedule. There

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:03.680
<v Speaker 2>are probably six to eight days a year that are

0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:05.880
<v Speaker 2>really really stressful where I might be traveling in on

0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:09.279
<v Speaker 2>the morning of a game, which will we played that night.

0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:13.160
<v Speaker 2>You know, for the most part, we all get there

0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:15.600
<v Speaker 2>the day before. But you know, when you have college

0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:18.160
<v Speaker 2>football on a Saturday and Cardinals on Sunday, for example,

0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:20.480
<v Speaker 2>you know that's not always the case, so there are

0:34:20.560 --> 0:34:24.440
<v Speaker 2>some stressful days. I do dedicate an entire chapter in

0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:28.399
<v Speaker 2>the book to travel stories. Knock on Wood. Have never

0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:31.360
<v Speaker 2>missed a game due to a travel or a weather issue.

0:34:33.440 --> 0:34:38.359
<v Speaker 2>Twice had to travel via a car from Buffalo back

0:34:38.400 --> 0:34:40.600
<v Speaker 2>to the New York area, which is about six hours

0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:45.520
<v Speaker 2>due to flight cancelations or weather. Once had to travel

0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:47.959
<v Speaker 2>by car from Atlanta to New Orleans, which is about

0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:52.440
<v Speaker 2>seven hours. I've had some crazy connections on flights, but

0:34:52.920 --> 0:34:56.440
<v Speaker 2>like I said, fortunately never missed a game due to travel.

0:34:56.480 --> 0:35:00.040
<v Speaker 2>But there have been some pretty funny stories when to

0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:01.279
<v Speaker 2>look back at it along the way.

0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:03.719
<v Speaker 1>Well, I can't wait to read the book. A mic

0:35:03.760 --> 0:35:06.440
<v Speaker 1>for all Seasons, and I know that people listening to

0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:08.560
<v Speaker 1>this podcast are going to check it out, Kenny, because

0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:11.399
<v Speaker 1>everybody loves and respects the job that you do. Man,

0:35:11.400 --> 0:35:14.080
<v Speaker 1>you're one of the best in the business. I don't

0:35:14.120 --> 0:35:19.440
<v Speaker 1>think you get enough public credit and notoriety for just

0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:22.480
<v Speaker 1>how great you are at how many different sports, and

0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:25.480
<v Speaker 1>you bring it every game. Man, You're a joy to

0:35:25.520 --> 0:35:27.640
<v Speaker 1>listen to and watch and a great guy as well. Man,

0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:29.239
<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate you spending some time with me.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Dave really appreciate it. I feel the same way

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<v Speaker 2>about you. Always love tuning into whatever game you're doing

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<v Speaker 2>and don't get to see each other in person very often.

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<v Speaker 2>We did last week in Seattle, so hopefully I'll have

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<v Speaker 2>another Cardinals game down the stretch. But appreciate you having

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<v Speaker 2>me on and good luck with the travel this week.

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<v Speaker 2>Hope to see you soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Great story from Kenny about his mom beating doctor Jay

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<v Speaker 1>on the basketball court at his house and just listening

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<v Speaker 1>to all the stories age how great. Kenny's new book

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<v Speaker 1>is a mic for all seasons. It just came out.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't wait to read it. Hope you get a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to check it out. Not only is Kenny one of

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<v Speaker 1>the best broadcasters in the business, but he's got unbelievable stories.

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<v Speaker 1>He's forged great relationships over the years with many player, coach,

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<v Speaker 1>and general manager celebrities that he has an opportunity to

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<v Speaker 1>get to know, and also, of course family with his

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<v Speaker 1>dad Marv and his uncles Al and Steve. We are

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<v Speaker 1>can follow us on Twitter at pashpod. You can also

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<v Speaker 1>please let us know. Thanks again to Kenny Albert, and

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<v Speaker 1>thanks again to you for listening to another edition of

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<v Speaker 1>the Dave Pash Podcast.