1 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Hey everyone, Welcome to another edition of the Dave Pash Podcast. 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: I'm your host Cardinals and ESPN play by play announcer 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: Dave Pash. My guest this week is one of the 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: best broadcasters in the business. He does it on a 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: number of sports for a number of networks, and that's 6 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: Kenny Albert. Kenny recently called a couple of Cardinals games. 7 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: We'll get his thoughts on the Cards and head coach 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: Jonathan Gannett. 9 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: Well, I certainly liked the battle level, enjoyed talking to 10 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 2: the coaching staff, to Jonathan gannon and I really think 11 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 2: they're heading in the right direction with his coaching staff 12 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 2: and this core group of players. 13 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: We'll also talk with Kenny about what it was like 14 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: to grow up on Albert his dad, Marv Award winning 15 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: and Hall of Fame broadcaster. But Kenny certainly has paved 16 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: his own path to greatness, and he's done it for 17 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: a long time. Whether it's been with Fox for almost 18 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: thirty years as an NFL broadcaster, he's the lead voice 19 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: for the NHL Stanley Cup Finals with Turner, does Rangers 20 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: and Knicks games on MSG network works, and he's had 21 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: a lot of celebrities that he's encountered over the course 22 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: of his career and his life going back to his childhood, 23 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: and you'll never believe who his mom once beat at 24 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: home in horse Also, we'll talk with Kenny about his 25 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: new book of mic for All Seasons. 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Gambling problem Call one 35 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: eight hundred next step. Time now for our conversation with 36 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: one of the top broadcasters in the business, Kenny Albert. Well, Kenny, 37 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: First of all, you've had the cars a couple of times. 38 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: I just want to get your thoughts on what you saw, 39 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: in particular the last game you had against the Seahawks 40 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: a couple weeks ago. 41 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: Well, I certainly like the battle level, enjoyed talking to 42 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: the coaching staff, to Jonathan Gannon and Drew Petsing, and 43 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 2: you know, obviously it's a bit of a depleted roster 44 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 2: with some of the injuries. Buddha Baker did come back 45 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: in the game against the Seahawks last week. But they 46 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 2: certainly work hard. You know, they've had some the number 47 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 2: of games this year, as you well know, where they've 48 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 2: stayed closed for a half and then it kind of 49 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: gets away in the second half. But I really think 50 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 2: they're heading in the right direction with this coaching staff 51 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 2: and this core group of players. 52 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: And you have dealt with JG before. I'm sure you've 53 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: done a lot of Eagles games, maybe even some games, 54 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: and he was in Minnesota, but obviously he's not meeting 55 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: with the broadcasters for people that don't know the head 56 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: coach and both coordinators. Usually sometimes there are exceptions where 57 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: a head coach won't let the coordinators talk to the 58 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: media or at least the TV crew, but for the 59 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: most part, the coordinators meet with the team TV crew. 60 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: What was your experience like with JG as a coordinator 61 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: and now as a head coach in that setting. 62 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 2: Did meet with him a couple of times as a 63 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: coordinator in Philly and and really seemed mature beyond his years. 64 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 2: We do meet with a number of coordinators throughout the season. Oftentimes, 65 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 2: if the head coach is more defensive minded, we'll meet 66 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 2: with the offensive coordinator that week and vice versa. But 67 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 2: in Philadelphia, with Shane Stikeen and Jonathan Gannon, you had 68 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: two real up and coming coordinators and we felt that, 69 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: you know, we could be chatting with both of these 70 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 2: guys as head coaches in the near future, and that 71 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 2: certainly has been the case. We've had the Colts twice 72 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 2: this year and very impressed with Shane Steiken as well. 73 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: And with Jonathan Gannon. You mentioned his years in Minnesota 74 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 2: working under the Vikings coaching staff and then in Philadelphia. 75 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 2: Was real happy for him when when he was hired 76 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 2: by the Cardinals. 77 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: When you look at you know you've done Cardinal games 78 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: for you know, you've been at Fox now for years, 79 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: so you've done obviously a lot of Cardinals games over 80 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: the years. I'm sure you did game to the Super 81 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: Bowl year and then the twenty fifteen NFC Championship game 82 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: season where the Cardinals went to Carolina and loss. I 83 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: even think you might have done the Cardinal Panther playoff 84 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: game back in wait, Am I right on that it 85 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: was the Kurt Warner game Jake Dilombe through four picks? 86 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: Did you call that game? 87 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 2: I did? I think that was Jake Dilome's birthday if 88 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 2: I remember correctly, yes, and he threw all those picks. 89 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 2: You know when I when I think back, the first 90 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 2: ever game day that I worked on Fox was back 91 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 2: on nine to four ninety four. It was Buddy Ryan's 92 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 2: first game as Cardinals head coach. It was against the 93 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: then LA Rams the year before they moved to Saint Louis. 94 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 2: And remember that game that weekend very well. And then 95 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 2: through the Vince Tobin years, Dave McGinnis, I could probably 96 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 2: name all the all the head coaches in order over 97 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 2: the last thirty years, but the first ever game was 98 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 2: a Cardinal game. Did work that playoff game that that 99 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 2: you mentioned in Carolina as well, which would not be 100 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 2: that memorable for the Cardinals, although the next month and 101 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 2: a half certainly was the Super Bowl year. I worked 102 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,239 Speaker 2: the game in New England where the Cardinals were blown 103 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,239 Speaker 2: out late in the season in December, and I remember 104 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 2: meeting with some of the players and coaches and it 105 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 2: turns out about ten players on the roster had never 106 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 2: seen snow before. And I'm sure you remember the game 107 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 2: in a snowstorm in New England and they got blown 108 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 2: out and then go to the Super Bowl about six 109 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 2: weeks later. 110 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. The thing that I remember the most about that 111 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 1: game is and you know where the booth is. Obviously 112 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 1: in New England, you're out in the stands for the 113 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: most part. I mean you're in a booth, but it's 114 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: still in the stands, and people were throwing snowballs all 115 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: over the place, and some were coming into the booth. 116 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: I mean, we were dodging snowballs while we were broadcasting 117 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: what we thought was probably a harbinger of things to come, 118 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: and the season was going to end horribly. I mean, look, 119 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: Chris collins Worth, everybody knows what he said. He said, 120 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: you know, worst playoff team in history. Obviously, the Cardinals 121 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: proved that they weren't going to the Super Bowl as 122 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: a magical year. Twenty fifteen was a great year. I 123 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: like you, Kenny, I'm encouraged by the coaching staff. I'm 124 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,679 Speaker 1: encouraged by Monti Austin for it. Based on the games 125 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: you called so far, I mean, do you see a 126 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: bright future? Do you see a light at the end 127 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: of the tunnel based on your experience so far? 128 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 2: No, I do absolutely. You know, all you have to 129 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 2: do is look back at that game in New England 130 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 2: and see how quickly things can turn around. But no, 131 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 2: I think it's a terrific organization from mister Bidwell on 132 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 2: down and put together. You know, a young coaching staff, 133 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 2: but I think one that is certainly on the rise, 134 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 2: and it's just impressive watching how hard the team works, 135 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 2: you know, despite the injuries and some of the other issues. 136 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 2: You know, as far as the depth chart is concerned. 137 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 2: You know, Josh Stobbs finally getting a chance. He's a 138 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 2: great story. You know, we really enjoy talking to him, 139 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 2: hearing about the aerospace engineering major and some of his 140 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 2: toughest classes and back in the college days. And I 141 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 2: know he's a guy that Ben Roethlisberger really relied on 142 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: heavily during Josh's four years in Pittsburgh, on the sidelines 143 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 2: during games at practices. So you know, you're happy to 144 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 2: see a guy like that finally get a chance it 145 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 2: might not be long term, obviously with Kyler Murray on 146 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 2: the way back, but really enjoy talking to the players 147 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 2: and coaches and it is impressive, you know how hard 148 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 2: they work throughout despite you know, some of the issues 149 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 2: roster wise. So far this year, you're. 150 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: Working now NFL games with Jonathan Vilma, who was a 151 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: great New Orleans Saint linebacker. And I'm sure for a 152 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: long time, Kenny, you were the young guy in the booth. 153 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: You were working with guys that were older than you. 154 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: And I'm starting to get to the point in my 155 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: career where, you know, I'm starting to work with guys 156 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: that I covered when they played, and now I'm working 157 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: with them. I mean, obviously you probably did a bunch 158 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: of John Filma games. Are you seeing that more and 159 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: more across the sports you work where you're starting to 160 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: work with guys and starting to groom guys and mentor 161 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: guys that you actually covered while they played. 162 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 2: It has taken that turn, Dave, And you know, I 163 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 2: think back, I'm sure you have the same memories. When 164 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 2: we started, we were younger than all of the players 165 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 2: and coaches, and now we're older than all of the 166 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 2: players and many of the coaches, So I guess when 167 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 2: you're around for as long as we have been, that's 168 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: going to be the case. But it's fun to work with, 169 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 2: you know, whether it's Jonathan Willem or or some of 170 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 2: the other analysts that I work with and that you 171 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 2: work with. Did cover a lot of Jonathan's games, and 172 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 2: he's really worked hard in the broadcasting business. It's his 173 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 2: fourth year at Fox. He worked in the studio at 174 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 2: ESPN on some college football shows as well, and it's 175 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 2: fun to be somewhat of a mentor and guide them along. 176 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 2: And as we tape this yesterday, I worked them asoda 177 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 2: items game and ironically, Kevin O'Connell, their head coach, was 178 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 2: one of my pupils. I guess you can call it. 179 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 2: At the NFL Broadcast boot Camp about ten years ago 180 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 2: when it was held down in Southern Jersey at NFL Films. 181 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 2: Now it's out in California every summer, but the NFL 182 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 2: brings in about twenty either recently retired players or players 183 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 2: who are still active but might want to get into 184 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 2: the broadcasting world. And this one particular day, Nate Burlison, 185 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 2: who's done a great job at CBS, both in sports 186 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 2: and News, Tim Hasselbeck, who's gone on into a real 187 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 2: good career at ESPN, and Kevin O'Connell were all part 188 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 2: of that group and they've all gone on to have 189 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 2: major success. But whether it's a Jonathan Willema or a 190 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 2: Rendez Barber who was my previous partner, a lot of 191 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 2: fun working with these guys. They're such hard workers they 192 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 2: were during their playing careers and they put so many 193 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: hours into it during the week as broadcasts as well. 194 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 2: Early on I worked with Ron Pitt's, Anthony Moon, Brian Baldinger, 195 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 2: Tim Green, they were all older than me, and then 196 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 2: I guess it became somewhat balanced. During the years I 197 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 2: spent with Moose Johnson and Tony Sarah Goose, we were 198 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 2: all around the same age, and now it's been Rende 199 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 2: Barber and Jonathan Vilma, who were at least ten or 200 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 2: twelve years younger. So it's a lot of fun, you know, 201 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 2: helping them along at the start of their careers. 202 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: So you've written a book called The Mic for All Seasons, Kenny, 203 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: Why now, what was the reason behind the timing and 204 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: how long did it take you to write the book 205 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: to try to remember all the stories? Did you take 206 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: notes over the years or do you just have great recall. 207 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: Well, to answer the first part of the question, always 208 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 2: felt like I had a lot of stories and at 209 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 2: some point wanted to put it down on paper. And 210 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 2: my family kind of pushed me. My wife and two daughters. 211 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 2: They've been, you know, at me for a while as 212 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 2: far as potentially writing a book. And I also speak 213 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 2: as you do, I'm sure with so many different high 214 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 2: school and college broadcasting camps classes throughout the year, try 215 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 2: to give advice to youngsters who were looking to get 216 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 2: into the business. So I wanted that to be a 217 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 2: part of it as well. And whenever I speak with them, 218 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 2: they asked so many good questions and you wind up 219 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 2: giving a lot of the same answers, telling the same stories. 220 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 2: So really, during the pandemic back in April and May 221 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 2: twenty twenty, when we were all home and I was 222 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 2: home for one hundred and forty six straight days, that's 223 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 2: when I really started to put the plans in place. 224 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 2: I had been contacted by a book agent out of 225 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: New York named Andrew Blowner several years prior, and he 226 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 2: sent me an email said, if you ever thinking about 227 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 2: writing a book, let me know might be able to 228 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,719 Speaker 2: hook you up with a publisher, and sure enough he 229 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 2: did with Triumph Books out of Chicago, and during the pandemic, 230 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 2: I put together an outline, started writing some sample chapters, 231 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 2: portions of chapters, did it all myself, did not have 232 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 2: a ghostwriter. Wanted it to be my words, my stories, 233 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 2: and I enjoy writing. I had done a lot of 234 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 2: it back in high school and college. Overall, it probably 235 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 2: took about a little over two years from the time 236 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 2: when I absolutely started back in twenty twenty until I 237 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 2: had to submit it to the publisher in September of 238 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. Now it wasn't like I was working 239 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 2: on it every day. There were periods during the seasons 240 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 2: where I might not have done anything for three weeks 241 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 2: or a month, So it was on and off at home, 242 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 2: in hotels, on airplanes. So about a two year process 243 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 2: as far as the writing, and then once I submitted it, 244 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 2: we went back and forth a bunch of times with 245 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 2: the editing and making corrections and changes. So I finally 246 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 2: saw the first copies about six weeks ago. Was very 247 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 2: excited when those boxes arrived at the house and it 248 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 2: officially was released to the public about three weeks ago 249 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 2: October tenth. It just a compilation of early life, getting 250 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 2: into the business, working minor league hockey for two years, 251 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 2: stories about each of the different sports that I've broadcast, 252 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 2: travel tales. I'm sure you have many of those. Stories 253 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 2: about calling the Olympics, stories about the two hundred plus 254 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 2: color analysts that I've worked with, a chapter on paying 255 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 2: it forward to the young broadcasters out there, a chapter 256 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 2: about the pandemic and how we broadcasted games during that time, 257 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 2: a lot about family and hard work and dedication. And 258 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 2: then to answer the latter portion of your question, I 259 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 2: do seem to have a pretty good memory. Wrote a 260 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 2: lot of it from memory. I do keep all of 261 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 2: my charts, my scorecards from the games, which are all 262 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 2: in a big file cabinet to my left. I have 263 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 2: about ninety five percent of them from the last thirty years. 264 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 2: So I would you know, I would go into the 265 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 2: into the files and check certain things, would Google, just 266 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 2: a fact check and make sure my memory is correct 267 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 2: on dates and games. And there were some things that 268 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 2: I did not remember absolutely as they took place, so 269 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 2: there was some fact checking. But it was a lot 270 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 2: of fun and really honored that Wayne Gretzky and wal 271 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 2: Clyde Fraser took part. They wrote the forwards. Their names 272 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 2: were on the cover right underneath mine. So it was 273 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 2: a lot of fun and really enjoying hearing the feedback 274 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 2: from people who have read the book so far. 275 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. I was going to ask you about both those 276 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: guys in your relationship with both, because I did see 277 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: the forward by both of them. When did those relationships start? 278 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: And was that an easy ask? I mean, I'm sure 279 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: you know both Clyde and Wayne Gretzky, but probably Gretzky 280 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: more than Clyde. Get asked a lot of things like, hey, 281 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: can you do this for me? Can you do that 282 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: for me? How did you get was how did that go? 283 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: The ask for Wayne Gretzky to write the forward to 284 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: your book? 285 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, they were both so great about it. And Wayne 286 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 2: I got to know a little bit back in the 287 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 2: late nineties when he was playing for the Rangers. I 288 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 2: was doing the radio and on many of the flights, 289 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 2: he would come up and sit in the area where 290 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 2: the broadcasters would sit and he admittedly it's it's you know, 291 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 2: public knowledge. He's not a huge fan of flying, so 292 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 2: he would come over and chat with the great John Davidson, 293 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 2: and I was always in that area of the playing 294 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 2: along with Sam Rosan and Salmasina, you know Hall of 295 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 2: Fame broadcasters, and Wayne would just want to talk about 296 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 2: sports and life in general, and it would kind of 297 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 2: keep his mind off the flight. So I knew him, 298 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 2: you know, during those three years, got to know him 299 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 2: a little bit. But then the last two and a 300 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 2: half years, he's been part of our team with the 301 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 2: NHL on TNT. He's on the pregame show, the postgame show, 302 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 2: not every week, but he's there for the special events, 303 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 2: and then travels with us in the playoffs. So the 304 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 2: last two years, for two weeks each season, Wayne Gretzky 305 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 2: and the entire Turner pregame crew have been on the 306 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 2: road with our game crew. So have gotten to know 307 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 2: him a lot better. He's as great a person as 308 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 2: he wasn't playing, and that's pretty hard to say. And 309 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 2: wal Clyde Frasier I've worked with for about fifteen years now, 310 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 2: approximately fifteen games per year on MSG Networks, and again, 311 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 2: another as good as he was as a player, he's 312 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 2: an even better person. He's the only basketball player in 313 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame as a player and a broadcaster 314 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 2: as well. He was inducted last year on the broadcast 315 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 2: side with both of them. My initial thought was to 316 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 2: have four people, one for each sport, whom I've worked with, 317 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 2: but the publisher explained to me that it's too much 318 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 2: clutter on the front have four names. They said it 319 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 2: would be better with two, especially these two names. So 320 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 2: went with Clyde and Wayne, and they were both great 321 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 2: about it. I had emailed Wayne and asked him if 322 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 2: he would be interested in writing something. I even offered 323 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 2: a ghostwriter for him for the forward, and he said, nope, 324 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 2: I'll do it myself, and he was tremendous about it. 325 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 2: And Clyde was the same way. As soon as I asked, 326 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 2: he was happy to do it. They've both done it 327 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 2: many times before. And like I said, it's surreal to 328 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 2: look at the cover and see both of their names 329 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 2: on there. 330 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: That's very cool, man, and Kenny. One of the things 331 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: that I respect so much about you, And admittedly I 332 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: don't get to watch a lot obviously on Sunday because 333 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: the Cardinals are playing, but the other sports you do 334 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: and have done over the years, and NFL playoff games 335 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: you've done where the Cardinals aren't playing and I'm at 336 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: home watching. It's always about the game. You don't make 337 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: it about yourself. You try to get the most out 338 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: of your analyst, and it's about the game. And not 339 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: everybody calls it that way. And I always felt that 340 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 1: that's what the fan wants. The fan wants it to 341 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: be about the game. Yes, it's entertainment. You have to 342 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: be entertaining, but you can't sacrifice documentation of the game. 343 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: And I think that happens nowadays. We're a lot of 344 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: people they're trying to, you know, make a name for 345 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: themsel elves are trying to climb the ladder, and sometimes 346 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: they think by making it about themselves or making documentation 347 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: the second or third most important thing during a broadcast, 348 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: they think it's going to help them, but it doesn't. 349 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: Have you been tempted at all. You've been doing this 350 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: for so long at a network level, have you been 351 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: tempted it all to compromise that or to change that? 352 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: Given how the business has changed them, think about talk radio, 353 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:29,360 Speaker 1: think about podcasting, and how personality driven sports content has 354 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 1: changed so much since we got started doing play by play. 355 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I appreciate it, appreciate the kind words. 356 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,479 Speaker 2: You know that that's just how I was brought up, 357 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 2: how I learned to do play by play. It's about 358 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 2: the game. The analysts or the experts they were, the 359 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 2: former players or coaches. You know, I'm sort of the 360 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 2: traffic cop on a football game, for example. I'll set 361 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 2: up the play, call the play, recap the play, and 362 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: then and then get out of the way for the animal. 363 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 2: And you know, we all do so much work during 364 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 2: the week to prepare, but come Sunday, you know, it's 365 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 2: about the game. It's about what's taking place on the field. 366 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 2: And ironically, some of the times that I've received praise 367 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 2: in the media, whether in a you know, a newspaper 368 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 2: column or on talk radio, has been when I haven't 369 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 2: said anything. And you know, that's kind of funny to 370 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 2: say as a play by play announcer. But the Bautista 371 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 2: home run in Batflip in twenty fifteen is one of 372 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 2: the calls that I get asked about the most, which 373 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 2: is which is ironic because I do less baseball than 374 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 2: the other sports. But I called the home run and 375 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 2: then I shut up for about twenty or thirty seconds. 376 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 2: A big game seven overtime goal in hockey two years 377 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 2: ago on TNT the Rangers against Pittsburgh. According to Phil 378 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 2: Mushtik of The New York Post, I called the goal 379 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 2: and then I laid out or shut up in layman's terms, 380 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 2: for a minute fifty six seconds. So it's kind of, 381 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 2: you know, like I said, it's ironic. But some of 382 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 2: the times that we get the biggest praise is when 383 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 2: we don't say anything, and I think it's it's you know, 384 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 2: in both of those cases, it was a home run 385 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 2: or a goal scored by a home team player, so 386 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 2: the crowd is going to be giving, you know, a 387 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 2: great reaction for the viewers. So the director and the 388 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 2: folks in the truck, you know, work their magic and 389 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 2: show what's going on on the field or ice, and 390 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 2: then they're panning to the crowd and the celebrations. So 391 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 2: now TV and radio are a lot different. I do 392 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 2: hockey on the radio as well, and in that medium, 393 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 2: you know, as you know, working Cardinals games on the radio, 394 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 2: and you go back and forth between radio and TV 395 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 2: on various sports. But it's a whole different animal, and 396 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 2: I talk about that in the book as well. On radio, 397 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 2: you have to be so descriptive and give the time 398 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 2: and score a lot more often, and on big plays, 399 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 2: you only you know, lay out for about a second 400 00:20:58,080 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 2: and a half and then you have to come back in. 401 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 2: So again, I know I'm giving a long answer to 402 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 2: a short question, but I feel it's always about the game. 403 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 2: I don't really have a signature call, you know, like 404 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 2: some people do on home runs or goals or three 405 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 2: point shots. But I guess it goes back to how 406 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 2: I was taught and how I learned many years ago. 407 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: So along those lines, your father Marv, who obviously is 408 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame broadcaster like yourself, and look, I went 409 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: to Syracuse because of your dad. I grew up in Madison, Wisconsin, 410 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: and back then you didn't have social media, you didn't 411 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: have cell phones. So the only way that I even 412 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: knew Syracuse had and I liked Syracuse basketball, so I 413 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: would watch Syracuse basketball all the time. They were kind 414 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: of like, you know, the Lakers of college basketball with 415 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: Sherman Douglas and Derek Coleman. They were on TV all 416 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: the time on ESPN, and Dick vi Teo was calling 417 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: the games. And you know, I had watched obviously a 418 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: lot of of pro sports and had followed your dad 419 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: and Bob Costas, and you know, dick by Tel starts 420 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 1: talking about Marv Albert and Bob Costas going to Syracuse. 421 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: And I was such a fan of Syracuse that and 422 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: I knew I wanted to get into broadcasting, but I 423 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: had no idea that they had this great broadcast school. 424 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: So because of my passion for Syracuse basketball, that's how 425 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: I found out. I didn't read it in you know, 426 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: on Twitter. I didn't get a phone call about it. 427 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: I didn't see it on the internet. That's how I 428 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: found out. So I'm just curious, you know, from your standpoint, 429 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: you know what it was like. How did you Was 430 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 1: it just your dad? Was it others that taught you? 431 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: And what was it like growing up in Albert. 432 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, you know, it's funny how things 433 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 2: come full circle. I did not go to Syracuse, although, 434 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 2: as you and I discussed in person last week, I'm 435 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 2: an honorary member because I paid a tuition for my 436 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 2: older daughter who went there and graduated a couple of 437 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 2: years ago. And just this morning, I woke up in 438 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 2: your hometown of Madison, Wisconsin. I did the Green Bay 439 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 2: Packers game yesterday and then went to visit my other 440 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 2: daughter who's a student at Wisconsin. So I was just 441 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 2: in Madison about ten hours ago. But growing up, you know, 442 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 2: I didn't really know anything different. I was so used 443 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 2: to it, growing up with a father and two uncles 444 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 2: his brothers who were also play by play broadcasters, and 445 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 2: to me, it was the greatest thing. I mean, I 446 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 2: got to go to all these games. I would go 447 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 2: to Knicks games and Rangers games, and my parents bought 448 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 2: me a taper quoder for my birthday when I was 449 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 2: five years old, and I started announcing games into the 450 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 2: taper quoder in my bedroom. And I was never forced 451 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 2: to do what. I was never told you have to 452 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 2: go into this business. But I was just around it 453 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 2: all the time and really enjoyed it. And when I 454 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 2: was old enough, I would tag along with him to 455 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 2: games and to the WNBC Channel four studio in New York, 456 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 2: and when I was about fifteen, I would start keeping 457 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 2: stats for him at Knicks games, Rangers games, NFL games, 458 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 2: and more so than anything that he really ever taught me, 459 00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 2: It's not like he ever sat me down and gave 460 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 2: me lefts, since it was more just watching and learning 461 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 2: via osmosis, watching the preparation that goes into each and 462 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 2: every broadcast, whether at home or in a hotel room somewhere. 463 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 2: And then when I was in the booth keeping the stats, 464 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 2: just watching the communication, the synergy that he had with 465 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 2: all of his color analysts, and watching the communication between 466 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 2: the announcers and the production folks in the truck. So 467 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 2: back in those days, and we're around the same age, 468 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 2: you couldn't really start doing this until college, so I 469 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 2: felt like I had a head start just by observing. Also, 470 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 2: and I write about this in the book, A huge 471 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 2: break occurred when I was in tenth grade and I 472 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 2: was covering sporting events at my high school for the 473 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 2: town paper and for the school paper. Tenth grade, I'm 474 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 2: there covering a girls' basketball game, and all of a sudden, 475 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 2: this local cable station shows up, Cox Cable of Great Neck, 476 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 2: which is a neighboring town, and the athletic director at 477 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 2: my school introduced me to the producer and it turned 478 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 2: out they did not have announcers. They had a little 479 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 2: production van and two cameras. That was it. So I 480 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 2: volunteered to announce the game. They clipped a microphone onto 481 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 2: my shirt. I did that game and then for the 482 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 2: next two and a half years in high school, worked 483 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 2: about seventy five to one hundred games for Cox Cable, 484 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 2: and I would bring friends along as color commentators. And again, 485 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 2: I felt like I had a two and a half 486 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 2: three year head start at the time because other kids 487 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 2: really did not get this opportunity until they went off 488 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 2: to college. 489 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: What was your best or one of the most memorable 490 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: childhood celebrity stories that you remember that you know, whether 491 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: it was meeting somebody at a game you were with 492 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: with your dad or your uncle's, or just somebody that 493 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: was over at the house that you had a chance 494 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: to meet or even interview. 495 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 2: Well, I have a couple. I'm looking behind me now 496 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 2: in my home office at photos with Wayne Gretzky and 497 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 2: Reggie Jackson back then when when I tagged along, he 498 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 2: did interviews with both. I was about eleven when I 499 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 2: met Reggie, in about fifteen or sixteen when I met Wayne, 500 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 2: and I'm pretty sure both of those photos made it 501 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 2: into the book. But he also did invite friends slash 502 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 2: athletes over to the house at times when I was 503 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 2: growing up, and doctor J. Julius Irving was one who 504 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 2: came over on a number of occasions. My parents would 505 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 2: play tennis with him and he would play basketball in 506 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 2: the driveway. My mother once beat him in a game 507 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 2: of horse at his house, believe it or not, when 508 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 2: he still lived on Long Island playing for the Nets 509 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,360 Speaker 2: before he went to the seventy six ers. And there 510 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 2: was another time Phil Jackson who was playing for the 511 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 2: Knicks at the time, and they were friendly, and I 512 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 2: was about eight or nine years old, and a friend 513 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 2: of mine named Dale de Leo. We beat Phil Jackson. Well, 514 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 2: I'm not sure if we beat him, but we played 515 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 2: him two on one basketball in the driveway. I remember 516 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 2: dribbling the ball between his legs. So those are some 517 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 2: of the memories that stand out. 518 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 1: I beat Bill Walton one on one about three years ago. 519 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: But keeping mind built can't move, so it wasn't like 520 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: it was hard. 521 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 2: I mean, all I had to do was we watched 522 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 2: Bill actually was once watching in Chicago. He was working 523 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 2: for NBC and I was there keeping stats, you know, 524 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,719 Speaker 2: back before before the professional career began on air. I 525 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 2: wound up on a on a three on one break 526 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 2: with Magic Johnson and another friend of mine who were 527 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 2: part of this NBC pickup game, and it was so exciting. 528 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 2: Bill was actually sitting there watching. He couldn't play because 529 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 2: of his knees. But Bill actually watched me, you know, 530 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 2: pass the ball to magic. But I think your story 531 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 2: is a little bit better. 532 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: Hey, you got to play with magic? What do you 533 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: mean that's that's a great story. That's awesome. Man. You 534 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: talked about how your your dad never pushed you into broadcasting, 535 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 1: and you already mentioned your daughters won a Syracuse alum 536 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: and the other in Madison at Wisconsin, like I thankfully 537 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: we don't have. My wife is not a big sports fan, 538 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: my my two daughters, one of them is, but she's 539 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 1: trying to be an actress, so broadcasting really wasn't something 540 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: she was interested in. And my son's a sportsman. But 541 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: I haven't really pushed it because I just my dad 542 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 1: is an attorney. He never pushed me, and I just 543 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. I figure if it's something that he's 544 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: interested in, he'll let me know, and if he wants help, 545 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 1: I'm happy to help him. Have How have you found 546 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: that in terms of your children, knowing that you could 547 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: assist getting into a business it's very hard to get into, 548 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: but not. 549 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 2: Pushing, right, I mean I was never pushed. Like I said, 550 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 2: I did receive a lot of opportunities to go to 551 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 2: games and to be in the press box and to 552 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 2: help out, so that that was certainly, yeah, that was 553 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 2: probably a big part of it early on. But he 554 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 2: never pushed, you know, never never really openly opened any doors. 555 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: You know. 556 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 2: It was more me just again observing and learning via osmosis. 557 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 2: And yes, I met a lot of people which led 558 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 2: to internships and other opportunities, but I think he sat 559 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 2: back and let me, you know, do the hard work 560 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 2: and kind of figure things out. I have two daughters. 561 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 2: My older one who went to Syracuse, actually does work 562 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 2: in the business behind the scenes. She never really had 563 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 2: any aspirations of being on air, although she did some 564 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 2: on air work in class at Syracuse. But she's doing 565 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 2: a terrific job as a as a video producer editor 566 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 2: at the NHL at the National Hockey League office, and 567 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 2: she learned how to use you know, all that fancy equipment. 568 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 2: At Syracuse. She had a great internship with the athletic 569 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 2: department and would edit highlights during the second pandemic here 570 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 2: actually when when fans were not allowed into the Carrier Dome, 571 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 2: she was she was in the building, editing football and 572 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 2: basketball highlights, so she always she she wound up with 573 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 2: a passion for the editing and producing work. And my 574 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 2: younger one at Wisconsin, she is a journalism major. Not 575 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 2: sure exactly what directions show had in but really never 576 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 2: put any pressure on them as well, just like no 577 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 2: pressure was ever put on me. And it sounds like 578 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 2: on you either. 579 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: So I get asked a lot, as I'm sure you do, 580 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: about you know, what's your favorite, what do you enjoy most? 581 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: And you know, I'm not doing four sports or five 582 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: sports if you include the Olympics, but you know, I'm 583 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: doing NFL and college football, which are essentially two different sports, 584 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: and NBA and college basketball. Again it's basketball, but very different, 585 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: and I love all of it. I'm glad I don't 586 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: have to choose, but I know other people will openly say, yeah, 587 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: this is my favorite, this particular sport. Do you do 588 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: you have a favorite or is it I mean, is 589 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: it one where you enjoy whatever game you're doing in 590 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: the moment. 591 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 2: I'm similar to you, where I enjoy whatever game I'm 592 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 2: doing in the moment. Very fortunate to be involved in 593 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 2: so many different sports, and you know, like you said, 594 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 2: you're involved in four because the NFL and college football 595 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 2: are distinctly different, and the NBA and college basketball are 596 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 2: distinctly different, and you do a terrific job. I enjoy 597 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 2: watching all of the games that you do in the 598 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 2: various sports. To me, when I was younger, hockey was 599 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 2: probably the passion, but I loved all the other ones, 600 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 2: you know, they weren't that far behind. I was watching hockey, football, basketball, baseball, 601 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 2: calling all of them into the tape recorder. My goal 602 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 2: was to do hockey on the radio. That was really 603 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 2: in high school and college, you know, that was what 604 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 2: I wanted to do. And I was very fortunate to 605 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 2: get hired by a minor league team in Baltimore, the 606 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 2: Skip Jacks, and spent two years there and really learned 607 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 2: so much about what goes into running a professional sports organization. 608 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 2: I also had to do tr and sales and marketing 609 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 2: and pick up players at the airport, really whatever they needed. 610 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 2: But I had had the experience at Cox Cable working 611 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 2: so many different sports, and then when I wound up 612 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 2: working in Washington, hired for hockey but would fill in 613 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 2: on basketball and baseball and men's college basketball, women's college basketball, 614 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 2: and then the huge break in ninety four when Rupert 615 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 2: Murdoch acquired the rights of the NFC package and Fox 616 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 2: you know, took it away from CBS after thirty five 617 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 2: plus years, and the executives you know, decided to hire 618 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 2: Pat Summer all on, John Madden is the number one crew, 619 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 2: greatest of all time, Dick Stockton, and Matt Millan is 620 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 2: the number two crew. And then they took a chance 621 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 2: on four young play by play announcers. Joe Buck, Kevin Harlan, 622 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 2: Tom Brenneman and I were all hired in ninety four, 623 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 2: and I don't think any of us ever thought that 624 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 2: we'd be doing football on network TV, let alone at 625 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 2: you know, at that age. So being involved in the 626 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 2: NFL for thirty years has been incredible. Calling the Stanley 627 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 2: Cup Final on NBC a couple of years ago TMT 628 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 2: last year, working on the lead crew with the NHL 629 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 2: on TNT is also incredible. And also really enjoyed doing 630 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 2: basketball and baseball too. So I always say it's like 631 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 2: asking which kid you like that four of them, as 632 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 2: you said, really love, you know, whatever game is being 633 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 2: played on that particular day. This week, I have a 634 00:32:54,800 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 2: hockey game on TNT Wednesday, basketball game on Friday, Nixon 635 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 2: Milwaukee Bucks, and then the Commanders and Patriots on Sunday. 636 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 2: So you know, similar to you, it's a hectic time. 637 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 2: Three sports this week and really love them all. 638 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: Well, you're great at all of it. You've been great 639 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: at all of it for so long. Last question, and 640 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: I guess it's along the lines of what you just 641 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: mentioned with the games you have, Like I've got Lakers 642 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: Clippers Wednesday, Bedlam, Oklahoma Oklahoma State Saturday, and then I 643 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: got to get to Cleveland for the Cardinal Sunday. It 644 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: is certainly the most stressful part and the least glorious 645 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: part of what we do. And that's the travel and 646 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: the stress of getting from one game to the next, 647 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: especially when it's multiple employers. Do you have a crazy 648 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: or you probably maybe have several crazy travel stories and 649 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: we'll leave you with that one. 650 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 2: Well, you and I are real fortunate to work for 651 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 2: multiple employers who allow us to do what we do 652 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 2: and keep up the jigsaw puzzle of the schedule. There 653 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 2: are probably six to eight days a year that are 654 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 2: really really stressful where I might be traveling in on 655 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 2: the morning of a game, which will we played that night. 656 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 2: You know, for the most part, we all get there 657 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 2: the day before. But you know, when you have college 658 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 2: football on a Saturday and Cardinals on Sunday, for example, 659 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 2: you know that's not always the case, so there are 660 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 2: some stressful days. I do dedicate an entire chapter in 661 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,399 Speaker 2: the book to travel stories. Knock on Wood. Have never 662 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 2: missed a game due to a travel or a weather issue. 663 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:38,359 Speaker 2: Twice had to travel via a car from Buffalo back 664 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 2: to the New York area, which is about six hours 665 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 2: due to flight cancelations or weather. Once had to travel 666 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,959 Speaker 2: by car from Atlanta to New Orleans, which is about 667 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 2: seven hours. I've had some crazy connections on flights, but 668 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 2: like I said, fortunately never missed a game due to travel. 669 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,040 Speaker 2: But there have been some pretty funny stories when to 670 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 2: look back at it along the way. 671 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 1: Well, I can't wait to read the book. A mic 672 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 1: for all Seasons, and I know that people listening to 673 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: this podcast are going to check it out, Kenny, because 674 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,399 Speaker 1: everybody loves and respects the job that you do. Man, 675 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: you're one of the best in the business. I don't 676 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: think you get enough public credit and notoriety for just 677 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: how great you are at how many different sports, and 678 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 1: you bring it every game. Man, You're a joy to 679 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: listen to and watch and a great guy as well. Man, 680 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: I really appreciate you spending some time with me. 681 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 2: Well, Dave really appreciate it. I feel the same way 682 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 2: about you. Always love tuning into whatever game you're doing 683 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 2: and don't get to see each other in person very often. 684 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 2: We did last week in Seattle, so hopefully I'll have 685 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 2: another Cardinals game down the stretch. But appreciate you having 686 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,359 Speaker 2: me on and good luck with the travel this week. 687 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 2: Hope to see you soon. 688 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: Great story from Kenny about his mom beating doctor Jay 689 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,800 Speaker 1: on the basketball court at his house and just listening 690 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: to all the stories age how great. Kenny's new book 691 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,399 Speaker 1: is a mic for all seasons. It just came out. 692 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,359 Speaker 1: Can't wait to read it. Hope you get a chance 693 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: to check it out. Not only is Kenny one of 694 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 1: the best broadcasters in the business, but he's got unbelievable stories. 695 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,280 Speaker 1: He's forged great relationships over the years with many player, coach, 696 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 1: and general manager celebrities that he has an opportunity to 697 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: get to know, and also, of course family with his 698 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: dad Marv and his uncles Al and Steve. We are 699 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: presented by BETTMGM, the official sports betting partner of the 700 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals, and by HeLa River Resorts and Casinos. You 701 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: can follow us on Twitter at pashpod. You can also 702 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: rate us, review us on your favorite podcast platform, and 703 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,479 Speaker 1: if you have a guest in mind that you'd really 704 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 1: like to hear from, whether it's Cardinals ro later or not, 705 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 1: please let us know. Thanks again to Kenny Albert, and 706 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: thanks again to you for listening to another edition of 707 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 1: the Dave Pash Podcast.