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<v Speaker 1>A group of high school students.

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<v Speaker 2>High school students Elizabethan High School students started a project

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<v Speaker 2>to research a string of unsolved murders. Their research led

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<v Speaker 2>to the identification of the killer.

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<v Speaker 3>Investigators now have an answer to a thirty four year

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<v Speaker 3>old question.

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<v Speaker 4>Once you start getting a few tips, or a few leads,

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<v Speaker 4>or few identifications, then the cold case isn't so cold.

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<v Speaker 4>In the normal there's a pretty good chance he's still alive.

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<v Speaker 4>Everything that the students predicted through their profile turned out

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<v Speaker 4>to be accurate.

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<v Speaker 5>Redhead Killer profile mail Caucasian, five nine six, two hundred

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<v Speaker 5>and seventy pounds, unstable home, absent father, and a domineering mother,

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<v Speaker 5>right handed, a Q above one hundred. Most likely a heterosexual.

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<v Speaker 4>There is no profile of this killer except for the

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<v Speaker 4>ones the students created.

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<v Speaker 1>Just because some of these women no longer have people

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<v Speaker 1>to speak for them, it does not mean that they

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<v Speaker 1>deserve to not.

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<v Speaker 5>Be so anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>What if this guy's still alive?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, what if becomes after us?

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<v Speaker 1>Consider you're gonna kill me a year.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Murder one oh one, Episode eleven, The XQ Institute.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Jeff Shane, a television and podcast producer at KT

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<v Speaker 3>Studios with Stephanie Leidecker, Courtney Armstrong and Andrew Arnau. In

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty, I came across a story about a group

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<v Speaker 3>of high school students who set out to investigate a

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<v Speaker 3>series of unsolved murders in their community. It was an

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<v Speaker 3>incredible story that here at KT Studios we felt needed

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<v Speaker 3>to be explored further. As you've heard, the original project

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<v Speaker 3>in twenty eighteen stemmed from a grant students had won

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<v Speaker 3>from the XQ Institute. Founded in twenty fifteen. XQ Institute

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<v Speaker 3>is the nation's leading nonprofit organization dedicated to improving schools

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<v Speaker 3>across the country. We thought it would be important to

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<v Speaker 3>showcase the incredible work XQ is doing and give listeners

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<v Speaker 3>a chance to figure out how they them selves can

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<v Speaker 3>get involved. I had a conversation with Anne McKinnon, a

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<v Speaker 3>senior advisor, and Carrie Schneider, who works as head of

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<v Speaker 3>Editorial and Publishing at XQ. You previously heard Carrie in

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<v Speaker 3>episode three.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ann McKinnon. I work in Brooklyn. I live

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<v Speaker 2>in New York, but I work for XQ. I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>senior advisor now at XQ. I've been with XQ since

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<v Speaker 2>before we even had a name, and have been part

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<v Speaker 2>of designing and executing on a whole lot of ambitious

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<v Speaker 2>plans that we've had from the start, including the original Challenge,

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<v Speaker 2>which is where we met our friends from Elizabethton.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Carrie Schneider. I'm head of editorial and Publishing at XQ.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a former second grade teacher turned writer who gets

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<v Speaker 1>to cover and talk about and learn from educators and

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<v Speaker 1>students all across the country who are doing really cool

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<v Speaker 1>things to change schools in their communities.

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<v Speaker 2>XQ is completely dedicated to transform high schools. Our purpose

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<v Speaker 2>is to help the entire country understand that high school

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<v Speaker 2>transformation is necessary and that it's possible, and that it's underway.

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<v Speaker 2>And we try to accelerate and amplify what it means

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<v Speaker 2>to be underway. And so as a result, we are

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<v Speaker 2>supporting schools that are doing very innovative things. We're working

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<v Speaker 2>on learning experiences that will transform learning and and we

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<v Speaker 2>have developed a design process that is community led that

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<v Speaker 2>brings many, many more people into the process and the

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<v Speaker 2>work of transforming high schools.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I would just add to that too. I

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<v Speaker 1>think when we talk about transformation, you're exactly right that

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<v Speaker 1>it's necessary from an equity standpoint that you know, high

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<v Speaker 1>schools have never worked for everyone. They've always worked for

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<v Speaker 1>certain populations of students or some more than others. But

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<v Speaker 1>we really believe that from an equity standpoint, from a

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<v Speaker 1>preparing students for all the future has to offer a standpoint,

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<v Speaker 1>and from communities really knowing what's best for the students

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<v Speaker 1>that they serve, that folks can come together and get

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<v Speaker 1>a big vision for what they hope high schools can

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<v Speaker 1>be for those kids, so that they come out with

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<v Speaker 1>everything you remember from high school, but also a whole

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<v Speaker 1>lot more so they come out as generous collaborators and

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<v Speaker 1>original thinkers and critical thinkers. And in order for high

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<v Speaker 1>school to accomplish those things beyond just you know, good

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<v Speaker 1>grades on a test, learning has to look a lot

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<v Speaker 1>different while students are there. So when we talk about

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<v Speaker 1>transforming high school, it's really transforming teaching and learning, getting

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<v Speaker 1>educators the agency and the freedom to design lessons that

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<v Speaker 1>really engage students, giving young people a voice and shaping

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<v Speaker 1>what and how they learn, the really having the school

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<v Speaker 1>match what the needs are of young people when they

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<v Speaker 1>come out of high school and go onto their future.

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<v Speaker 3>Explain to me, like, what are the tangible things that

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<v Speaker 3>you try to get schools implement.

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<v Speaker 2>What we did in the original competition was create materials

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<v Speaker 2>that helped schools think much more originally and much more

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<v Speaker 2>ambitiously about how to create schools where there was a

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<v Speaker 2>really coherent culture and sense of purpose, really meaningful and

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<v Speaker 2>engaged learning, youth voice and choice, community partnerships, and schools

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<v Speaker 2>that use time, space and technology in expansive ways. More recently,

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<v Speaker 2>we've run similar competitions in the State of Rhode Island,

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<v Speaker 2>all across the state of Rhode Island, with select schools

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<v Speaker 2>in New York City and most recently in the District

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<v Speaker 2>of Columbia. And what we've done in those areas is

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<v Speaker 2>take schools where there was a critical mass of people

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<v Speaker 2>who felt that they were ready to change their high

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<v Speaker 2>schools and make them more engaging and more modern. Students

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<v Speaker 2>would graduate ready for the future and with a sense

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<v Speaker 2>of what the future might hold for them, and school

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<v Speaker 2>communities that felt they were ready decided to engage with

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<v Speaker 2>us and went through a really really rigorous design process.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of knowledge out there about how high

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<v Speaker 2>schools can and should change. It just isn't permeating necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>to all the places where it's most needed. So we've

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<v Speaker 2>made those materials and the whole process available across the

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<v Speaker 2>District of Columbia and in Rhode Island and have helped

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<v Speaker 2>people come to a greater understanding of what they can do,

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<v Speaker 2>and they are doing extraordinary things. There are two schools

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<v Speaker 2>in the District of Columbia that we selected as a

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<v Speaker 2>result of the most recent process, and one of them

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<v Speaker 2>is taking the concept of afrofuturism, an incredibly important intellectual

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<v Speaker 2>and cultural concept, and making Afrofuturism the very center of

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<v Speaker 2>the school and the theme around on which the school

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<v Speaker 2>is organized. The other has organized itself around the theme

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<v Speaker 2>of entrepreneurship and financial independence for students who graduate. So

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<v Speaker 2>what that means is that in both of those schools, educators,

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<v Speaker 2>young people and community partners are designing learning experiences, reshaping

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<v Speaker 2>the culture of the school.

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<v Speaker 1>XC doesn't come in with like a cookie cutter and

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<v Speaker 1>say here's how you transform high school and then you

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<v Speaker 1>just stamp it on the dough and get the transformed

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<v Speaker 1>high school. I think it's much more. We create the

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<v Speaker 1>space for those community conversations to be held and convene

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<v Speaker 1>people and bring them together around guiding questions, and then

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<v Speaker 1>they come to their own articulation of what that might

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<v Speaker 1>be in their community. Whether that's afrofuturism, or whether that's

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<v Speaker 1>community partnerships with industry in the area, or whether that's

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<v Speaker 1>a school inside of a museum or a school that

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<v Speaker 1>serves housing unstable students. It really is very different depending

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<v Speaker 1>on the local context. But that's really the beauty of it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about really giving kids a voice and what they

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<v Speaker 1>think they need to thrive in their communities after they finish,

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<v Speaker 1>and really looking at bigger and contextual factors too, like

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<v Speaker 1>workforce development. There's a school in Indianapolis that really that

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<v Speaker 1>whole high school was created out of knowing that the

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<v Speaker 1>state was going toward renewable energy and wind and solar

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of things that they weren't graduating enough

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<v Speaker 1>high school students to fill really high tech, stem, high

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<v Speaker 1>paying jobs. So I think it's just a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>what we do is create the space and create the

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<v Speaker 1>guides for those conversations to be had so that each

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<v Speaker 1>community can form their own vision, and then we help

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<v Speaker 1>them along the way with access to experts and other

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<v Speaker 1>design tools and research and all of those pieces so

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<v Speaker 1>that they can make those visions a reality.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is not to say that anything goes. A design

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<v Speaker 2>team works through this series of questions and challenges and

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<v Speaker 2>does a whole lot of research on their own and

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<v Speaker 2>does a lot of reading, has a lot of hard conversations,

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<v Speaker 2>and they answer the questions that are part of the

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<v Speaker 2>design process that come together into a school design. And

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<v Speaker 2>then we and other experts look really closely at that

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<v Speaker 2>school design and give feedback and rate them for quality.

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<v Speaker 2>So every one of our schools, all as different as

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<v Speaker 2>they look, has been through a test for quality of

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<v Speaker 2>their idea and their quite detailed proposal. So because there

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<v Speaker 2>are certain common things that every school needs to do well,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't need all to be done the same way,

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<v Speaker 2>but they all need to be done well.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in

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<v Speaker 3>a moment. Murder one oh one. The purpose of XQ

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<v Speaker 3>is to connect with schools all across the country.

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up in a small town in Ohio with

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<v Speaker 1>a high school that a lot of people would say

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't the best place to learn. I drop out rate,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know a lot of opportunities that some high

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<v Speaker 1>schools around me had that I didn't have. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think one of the things that really drew me to

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<v Speaker 1>EXQ as a former teacher and as someone who came

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<v Speaker 1>up through that school system, is that high school transformation

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<v Speaker 1>can actually happen anywhere. It's not just something that happens

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<v Speaker 1>in big cities, or something that happens with a ton

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<v Speaker 1>of support from people right in the community, or just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, on different parts of the country. It really

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<v Speaker 1>is happening everywhere in small pockets, And a big part

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<v Speaker 1>of the work that we get to do is to

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<v Speaker 1>find those examples and connect with them and learn from

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<v Speaker 1>them so that we can tell others what they're doing

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<v Speaker 1>and inspire more more work and more changes across the

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<v Speaker 1>country from their examples and from their stories. So I

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<v Speaker 1>was really drawn to Elizabeth In for that exact small

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<v Speaker 1>town a lot like the one I grew up in

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<v Speaker 1>that proves that this kind of work can happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Anywhere exactly, Carrie, and I came from a town like

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<v Speaker 2>that myself, and I was on the original the people

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<v Speaker 2>who were originally looking at all the at all the proposals,

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<v Speaker 2>and I looked because I came from a very small

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<v Speaker 2>town in far upstate New York. That's a lot like Elizabethton,

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<v Speaker 2>in a really rural area, and so I did take

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<v Speaker 2>a I'll admit I did take an extra look at

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<v Speaker 2>the proposals that came in from rural areas. I was

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<v Speaker 2>really struck by Elizabethton. I may even have been the

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<v Speaker 2>person who brought Elizabethton to the attention of our final assessors,

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<v Speaker 2>because they they scored well in the when they in

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<v Speaker 2>their proposal. Their proposal scored well, but it was not

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<v Speaker 2>in the very top top ones. But there was something

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<v Speaker 2>just so special, so unusual about the way they put

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<v Speaker 2>their proposal together. It was twenty fifteen. In the fall

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<v Speaker 2>we issued the challenge, and the challenge was, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>interested in redesigning your high school, raise your hand, send

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<v Speaker 2>us a quick concept, and we'll get back to you.

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<v Speaker 2>So we were surprised we got seven hundred concepts. We

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<v Speaker 2>were thinking we would get twenty or thirty, or maybe

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<v Speaker 2>seventy or maybe one hundred. They came pouring in. We

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<v Speaker 2>got seven hundred concepts, and we screened them really quickly

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<v Speaker 2>for those that wouldn't be possible. You know, we were

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<v Speaker 2>only funding in the United States. We weren't funding parochial schools,

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<v Speaker 2>so a few got told you know, sorry, but we

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to disappoint you. Later, most of those concepts

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<v Speaker 2>got a green light from us to go forward and

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<v Speaker 2>create a design. So then they rapidly created a design,

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<v Speaker 2>mostly through early twenty sixteen. Some of them got started earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>but they came back from their holiday break and worked

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<v Speaker 2>really hard and put their proposals in. We got those

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty sixteen. They went through a very rigorous judging

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<v Speaker 2>process and all the selection process, and we were able

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<v Speaker 2>to make the announcements in September of twenty sixteen. Some

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<v Speaker 2>of the proposals were for brand new schools. Some of

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<v Speaker 2>the more intriguing ones were for redesigns. They were existing

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<v Speaker 2>schools where community people had come together and said we

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<v Speaker 2>want to change the way we do school. So no,

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't try to win millions of dollars to build

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<v Speaker 2>to put a new wing on your school. It was

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<v Speaker 2>take this money and think about what you'd really do

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<v Speaker 2>to transform teaching and learning. Students really did the work,

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<v Speaker 2>and those teachers, mister Campbell and mister Hensley, opened the

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<v Speaker 2>door for students to do something really original, and they

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<v Speaker 2>they really did. They worked through every detail of our

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<v Speaker 2>competition process and wrote really really original and interesting answers

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<v Speaker 2>all of the questions that made up the proposal. They

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<v Speaker 2>were really the only ones who did that, and that

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<v Speaker 2>was entrepreneurial teachers who had a vision for a different,

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<v Speaker 2>better way of learning. They had been talking about it

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<v Speaker 2>theoretically among themselves for quite some time, and when one

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<v Speaker 2>of them saw our call for proposals, our original challenge. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>the story that I've heard is that Dustin Hensley was

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<v Speaker 2>looking for grants because he needed a new carpet for

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<v Speaker 2>the library, and he came across the XQ opportunity and

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<v Speaker 2>showed it to his friend Alex Campbell. And the two

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<v Speaker 2>of them had been reading and talking together about the

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<v Speaker 2>need to change high school for quite some time, and

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<v Speaker 2>they said to each other, well, is it time to

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<v Speaker 2>stop talking and start doing something? Should we give this

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<v Speaker 2>a try? And so they put this little concept in

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<v Speaker 2>to just raise their hands and say they wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>be part of it. And then when they heard back

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<v Speaker 2>from us that their concept had been accepted, that's when

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<v Speaker 2>they got really inspired and they said, if we really

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<v Speaker 2>really mean what we've been saying, we would bring students

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<v Speaker 2>into this process, and that's what they did. They organized,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was mostly mister Campbell, organized a spring

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<v Speaker 2>semester course, an entire course, an elective for a group

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<v Speaker 2>of students around the EXQ proposal. And so they dug

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<v Speaker 2>into the history of public education, what education is supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to do, what high schools are supposed to do, how

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<v Speaker 2>you could create a high school that really met all

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<v Speaker 2>of their expectations. And they called it, confusingly for many people,

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<v Speaker 2>they called it the Bartleby School, after the character in

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<v Speaker 2>the Herman Melville story, the one who famously says, I

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<v Speaker 2>would prefer not to over and over again to his boss.

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<v Speaker 2>And so they had kind of connected this idea that

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<v Speaker 2>students had and that they felt was present in their students,

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<v Speaker 2>that they would prefer not to have a boring education,

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<v Speaker 2>They would prefer not to just learn out of textbooks

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<v Speaker 2>and take quizzes and tests. They would prefer to do more.

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<v Speaker 2>And they produced a really good school proposal. They learned

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<v Speaker 2>a lot about education at the same time, and so

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<v Speaker 2>we were really pleased with what they'd done and felt

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<v Speaker 2>proud of them and wanted to recognize the work that

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<v Speaker 2>they had done and give them some money and some

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<v Speaker 2>leeway to try to do more, which is exactly what

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<v Speaker 2>they did. They're very entrepreneurial bunch. They will take what's

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<v Speaker 2>available and turn it into gold over and over again.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, A big part of what we believe in and

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<v Speaker 1>what we see happening in schools across the country connects

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<v Speaker 1>to what we all know about what motivates and inspires

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<v Speaker 1>each of us when we were young and today right

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<v Speaker 1>following your curiosity, getting intrigued by something, all of the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that like you have a hobby or you want

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<v Speaker 1>to learn something that you do as an adult in

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<v Speaker 1>schools that's often really stifled. So a big part of

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<v Speaker 1>what we mean when we say high school transformation or

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<v Speaker 1>what the original challenge in our ongoing work over the

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<v Speaker 1>years intends to do is help people create the space

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<v Speaker 1>for that curiosity and that passion and following interest and

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<v Speaker 1>learning to be actually meaningful and engaging and attached to

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<v Speaker 1>real life for young people. So I think it's really

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<v Speaker 1>an example of where we know what young people need.

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<v Speaker 1>They know what they need, but the way schools are

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<v Speaker 1>structured with kids in classrooms and kids following a bell

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<v Speaker 1>schedule just isn't conducive to that. So you have teachers

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<v Speaker 1>like those at Elizabethson but all over the place really

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<v Speaker 1>getting creative about the way that they organize the day

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<v Speaker 1>or the way that they organize classers. They teach things

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<v Speaker 1>in a more interdisciplinary way, or they have projects, and

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<v Speaker 1>that really does create the space for kids to actually

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<v Speaker 1>drive their own learning in a way that follows their curiosity,

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<v Speaker 1>their passions and lets them explore who they are, which

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<v Speaker 1>is ultimately what high schools can be.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there are two things that I think are important

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<v Speaker 2>to bring out. One is we know that the job

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<v Speaker 2>of high school for high school students is to build

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<v Speaker 2>their identity as an adolescent. Brain science tells us that

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<v Speaker 2>one of the most important jobs to be done is

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<v Speaker 2>to build an identity, and so it's important for students

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<v Speaker 2>to have learning experiences where they discover who they are

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<v Speaker 2>and imagine who they might be. That's what prepares them

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<v Speaker 2>for adult for college and for adult lives, and routine

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<v Speaker 2>high school learning often doesn't let students develop identities that

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<v Speaker 2>are lasting, that are authentic to who they are. The

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<v Speaker 2>other is that we know that it's important for teenagers

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<v Speaker 2>to have caring, trusting relationships in their schools, and many

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<v Speaker 2>many schools and they large ones, obviously, but even some

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<v Speaker 2>smaller ones are pretty anonymous places for students. And one

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<v Speaker 2>of the features of our schools, and one of the

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<v Speaker 2>elements the design principles that we stress a lot, is

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<v Speaker 2>the importance of caring, trusting relationships, and organizing the school

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<v Speaker 2>so that adults really know students and care about them

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<v Speaker 2>and can help them build their identities. That's one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things that Elizabethan is most outstanding at doing. They

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<v Speaker 2>really know their students well, and they also create learning

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<v Speaker 2>experiences where students can discover themselves, discover what they can do.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's stop here for another quick break. Murder one, oh one?

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<v Speaker 3>What excuse?

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<v Speaker 1>Ultimate goal?

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<v Speaker 2>Excuse? Ultimate goal is to see transformation happening in every

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<v Speaker 2>high school. One of the reasons that we're doing high

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<v Speaker 2>school is because we think it's the hardest thing to change.

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<v Speaker 2>We also think it's the most important thing to change.

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<v Speaker 2>High schools are infinitely more complicated than K eight schools.

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<v Speaker 2>They have departments, they have grade levels, they do tracking,

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<v Speaker 2>they do a million things, and as a result, they

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<v Speaker 2>have developed some standard, routine, status quo ways of getting

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<v Speaker 2>the work done that have calcified the system. That's why

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<v Speaker 2>the typical bell system that sometimes exists in middle schools

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<v Speaker 2>but is absolutely the standard in high school, where the

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<v Speaker 2>day is broken up into blocks, where student learning is

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<v Speaker 2>divided vertically into certain subject matter areas where they have

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<v Speaker 2>to develop their capacities. High schools are very complicated expectations

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<v Speaker 2>associated with standardized testing and with being ready for college.

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<v Speaker 2>All of those things create deep structures in high schools

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<v Speaker 2>that are just difficult to budge. A lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>want to make change, but they are working within a

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<v Speaker 2>structure that's rigid and it's very hard to change.

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<v Speaker 1>I think one of the other important things and why

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<v Speaker 1>XQ focuses on high school, is because high school exists

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<v Speaker 1>right at the center of K eight and then everything

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<v Speaker 1>that comes after that too. So for most young people,

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<v Speaker 1>it's sort of the last stop before adulthood, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's not too late. As An has mentioned the science

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<v Speaker 1>of learning and of adolescence at that time, it's the

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<v Speaker 1>perfect time to really expose young people to new and

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<v Speaker 1>different experiences so that develop who they are and they

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<v Speaker 1>come out into the world as young adults really equipped

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<v Speaker 1>to thrive. Instead of having just gone through the slog

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<v Speaker 1>of high school and going, oh, check that box, I've

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<v Speaker 1>got a diplomb onto the next thing. But if you

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<v Speaker 1>change high school, then that puts pressure on KA to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure that students are coming in prepared for what

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<v Speaker 1>the new high school experience will be. And then that

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<v Speaker 1>puts pressure on the higher education system and the workforce

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure that people are coming into jobs and

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<v Speaker 1>careers and higher education with a whole new set of

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<v Speaker 1>skills and experiences, so that higher ed will have to

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<v Speaker 1>change to accommodate that too. We say high school as

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<v Speaker 1>a fallcroom for change, but really high school at the center.

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<v Speaker 1>If you focus there, then that impacts KA and higher

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<v Speaker 1>ed and across the system too.

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<v Speaker 3>We discussed what XQ had coming up next.

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<v Speaker 2>So a year ago we launched a really important partnership

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<v Speaker 2>with Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching. They're one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred year old organization, probably older, and their name is

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<v Speaker 2>the name associated with the Carnegie Unit. The Carnegie Unit

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<v Speaker 2>is the organizing unit for all of high school and

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<v Speaker 2>most of higher education as well. It's also known as

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<v Speaker 2>the credit hour, and what the Carnegie Unit did and

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<v Speaker 2>what it continues to do, is equate learning with the

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<v Speaker 2>amount of time that a student has sat in a class.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's why we talk about the credit hour, which

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<v Speaker 2>is also called the Carnegie Unit. So this partnership with

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<v Speaker 2>Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching gives us an

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity to think about what would be a more appropriate

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<v Speaker 2>way to measure and a credit learning that would be

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<v Speaker 2>more flexible, that would measure learning as opposed to time

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<v Speaker 2>and a seat. And it sounds simple, but it's actually

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<v Speaker 2>quite complicated to make change in this area because so

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<v Speaker 2>much of our system is built around this unit that

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<v Speaker 2>is probably invisible to many people, called the Carnegie Unit,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is an assumption that is baked very deep

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<v Speaker 2>into the way high schools are organized. We think that

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<v Speaker 2>it's holding high schools back from the kinds of change

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<v Speaker 2>that they need to make. It really is time, it's possible,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's time for us to be measuring student life,

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<v Speaker 2>learning and attainment and not just how much time they've

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<v Speaker 2>set it in a seat learning biology or learning world history.

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<v Speaker 2>So there might be a learning experience where students learn

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<v Speaker 2>about the Harlem Renaissance, but because of the project that

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<v Speaker 2>they're doing, they would also learn a great deal about

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<v Speaker 2>collaboration and original thinking and research and other skills that

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<v Speaker 2>are not necessarily covered by the academic standards, but that

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<v Speaker 2>are equally important in the development of a whole human

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<v Speaker 2>and so we're exploring what it means to create learning

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<v Speaker 2>experiences that do all that.

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<v Speaker 1>We're simultaneously supporting people as they do the work of

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<v Speaker 1>high school transformation and their goals and districts in the

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<v Speaker 1>ways that we've talked about, by creating the spaces and

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<v Speaker 1>providing the resources and tools for those community conversations and

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<v Speaker 1>focus groups, and digging into the data about how students

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<v Speaker 1>are doing in high school. So we're doing that, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're also showing people what's possible and giving them examples

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<v Speaker 1>of the work that's underway to inspire other high schools

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<v Speaker 1>to take up this work in their own communities. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think when you ask what's next for us, it's

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<v Speaker 1>continued work in both of those areas, supporting people doing

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<v Speaker 1>the work and showing people what's possible so they can

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<v Speaker 1>join us.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things that we see over and over

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<v Speaker 2>again through our work with XQ is that students really

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<v Speaker 2>can do anything if they're given the opportunity. And it

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<v Speaker 2>also helps to organize a team. It helps that they

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<v Speaker 2>are not necessarily working alone. That One of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that is special about Elizabethton is that they design projects

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<v Speaker 2>where students can put their heads together, solve problems together,

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<v Speaker 2>figure out a way to get things done as a

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<v Speaker 2>team and also as individuals, and they have a spirit

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<v Speaker 2>and a desire to get work done that has an

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<v Speaker 2>impact in the world. They bring a lot a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of empathy to their work, and actually most students have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of empathy for the people in the world

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<v Speaker 2>around them and want to put their creativity and their

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<v Speaker 2>hard work to work on problems that matter. It's one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things that we hear from students all the

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<v Speaker 2>time that they want to be engaged in work that's

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<v Speaker 2>really relevant and that's authentic and that is not just

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<v Speaker 2>practice for the real world. They want to be engaging

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<v Speaker 2>with the real world right now. They did that in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty sixteen when they put together a proposal for a

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<v Speaker 2>school that really caught the attention of EXEQ, and they've

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<v Speaker 2>done it over and over again in Elizabethton. Actually, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what we gave them the grant to do that. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what they said they wanted to do most of all,

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<v Speaker 2>was create opportunities for students to do community projects, to

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<v Speaker 2>serve their community, and they have found a multitude of

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<v Speaker 2>ways to do that, and it's a very inclusive process.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all the students in that school are part of

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<v Speaker 2>this ff for to have a different kind of experience

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<v Speaker 2>in their high school years.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things that really drew me to XQ

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<v Speaker 1>when I was first learning about it was there all

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<v Speaker 1>of the technical details around high school redesign and design

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<v Speaker 1>principles and learn outcomes and all of those really specific

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<v Speaker 1>things that support educators and leaders in doing the work.

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<v Speaker 1>But I remember having early conversation with Anne, and the

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<v Speaker 1>way that Anne you broke it down to me was

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<v Speaker 1>XQ believes in the potential of young people. We're not

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<v Speaker 1>cynical about teenagers. We don't roll our eyes like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>they're just kids. We really do believe in the potential

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<v Speaker 1>of every young person and believe that high school can

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<v Speaker 1>be a place to unlock that instead of a place

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<v Speaker 1>to stifle it. So I think that's something that the

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabethan story really illuminates, because they were able to do

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<v Speaker 1>things that adults weren't able to do, and they were

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<v Speaker 1>able to accomplish things that went well beyond what you

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<v Speaker 1>would ever think would happen in the context of learning

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<v Speaker 1>and at the same time pick up all of the

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<v Speaker 1>skills that are important coming out of high school, writing

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<v Speaker 1>and researching and advocating for yourself and learning and all

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<v Speaker 1>of that, but at the same time really grow as

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<v Speaker 1>individuals and as people. And that is an example from Elizabethton,

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<v Speaker 1>But that's playing out in high schools all over the country,

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<v Speaker 1>not just XQ schools everywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>How would the listeners get involved if they want to.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we actually hear from everyone, which is really important

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<v Speaker 1>because we do believe in community led work that has

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<v Speaker 1>a seat at everyone for everyone around the table. So

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<v Speaker 1>whether you're a student or a family member, or a

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<v Speaker 1>school board member, or a teacher, or someone who owns

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<v Speaker 1>a business or someone who works in a community, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a place for you in this work in your town.

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<v Speaker 1>And as part of this national movement, we use the

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<v Speaker 1>phrase rethink high School across all of social media. That's

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<v Speaker 1>an easy way to find us at XQ America across

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<v Speaker 1>all socials too. We invite everyone to find a seat

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<v Speaker 1>at the table with us. We do host challenges in

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<v Speaker 1>districts and other communities based on some of that those

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<v Speaker 1>conversations and really our work just continues to evolve to

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<v Speaker 1>meet the needs of people in their communities and defining

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<v Speaker 1>they are and how we can help. If you're interested

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<v Speaker 1>in learning more about XQ, you can find us on

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<v Speaker 1>all the socials at XQ America. You can visit our website,

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<v Speaker 1>which is XQ Institute dot org, or you can use

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<v Speaker 1>the hashtag rethink high school across all the social platforms

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<v Speaker 1>to find content and resources not just from us, but

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<v Speaker 1>from educators and students all over the country that are

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<v Speaker 1>sharing examples of the ways they're rethinking high school in

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<v Speaker 1>their own communities.

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<v Speaker 4>one we hope you're enjoying season one. We ask that

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<v Speaker 4>if you know anything that could help police solve these cases,

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<v Speaker 4>that you contact the appropriate agencies with any information you

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<v Speaker 4>feel can help with their work to bring justice to

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<v Speaker 4>these women and their families. But we also ask that

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<v Speaker 4>if you feel you can help us continue to tell

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<v Speaker 4>these stories, that you reach out to us with any

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<v Speaker 4>of the following information. Number one, if you have any

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<v Speaker 4>personal experiences with these victims that could help us tell

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<v Speaker 4>their stories as real people. Maybe you grew up with them,

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<v Speaker 4>worked with them, or are even related to them. If

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<v Speaker 4>you can shed light on the investigations going back to

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<v Speaker 4>the nineteen eighties, then maybe you worked with the cases,

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<v Speaker 4>such as a police officer, or maybe you were a

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<v Speaker 4>witness or even a journalist, that would also be very helpful.

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<v Speaker 4>And finally, if you have any information on our side suspect,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe you grew up with him, you were in the

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<v Speaker 4>military with him, incarcerated with him, or maybe involved with

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<v Speaker 4>him through law enforcements such as his jailor guard or

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<v Speaker 4>parole officer. All those things can be helpful. We would

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