Speaker 1: Smell us now, Lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia podcast.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain
Speaker 2: Time on Thursday, May first, and we're live for Meat
Speaker 2: Eater HQ and Bozeman, Montana. I'm your host, Brody Henderson,
Speaker 2: and I'm here today with Corey Calkins and Crin Schneider,
Speaker 2: who is busy checking her stocks just recently. We'll talk
Speaker 2: more about that later maybe if we have time. On
Speaker 2: today's show, we're going to talk about our Dad sheep
Speaker 2: with Corey Krin and a special guest from Texas Parks
Speaker 2: and Wildlife. We're also going to get a field report
Speaker 2: from some of our favorite turkey hunting gurus. After that,
Speaker 2: we'll share some wild game meals we've made recently, and
Speaker 2: we're gonna wrap it up by speaking to a Montana
Speaker 2: Regional Wildlife manager about aerial big game surveys and a
Speaker 2: bighorn sheep hunting closure here in Montana. That's gonna that'll
Speaker 2: be pretty interesting. It's also kind of a bummer, but
Speaker 2: hopefully we'll get some good news out of it too.
Speaker 2: Before we get in the show, I want to send
Speaker 2: out another request all of our dedicated diehard fans to
Speaker 2: submit a photo of their fed up old truck for
Speaker 2: our twenty twenty six calendar. We're still looking for images
Speaker 2: of unique hunting trucks, and for the folks who are
Speaker 2: watching today's episode on YouTube, Phil just put up an
Speaker 2: example a kind of hunting rig we're looking for. We're
Speaker 2: getting a lot of good ones, we're getting some not
Speaker 2: so good ones, and we're getting some bad ones. But
Speaker 2: this is this is like a prime exam ample of
Speaker 2: what we're looking for.
Speaker 3: That's right, and Brady, this is what we're not looking for.
Speaker 2: That is what we're not looking for.
Speaker 4: I understand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's just like some confusion on the left up
Speaker 2: part of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's effed up, all right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Also the formatting is wrong. See I thought about it.
Speaker 3: I thought about fixing it, but then I decided that's part.
Speaker 2: Of the Yeah, we don't need pictures of wrecked trucks
Speaker 2: and ditches, So uh, send us something like that first picture.
Speaker 4: And uh, what was that classic looking red truck with
Speaker 4: a dead with a big old.
Speaker 5: Gobbler, a couple of big spotlights on the front.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's a that's a hunting rick.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're not sneaking up on any elk in that thing?
Speaker 4: Is that a fresh killer? Do you think the guy
Speaker 4: drives that hunting rig with the bird on.
Speaker 5: The front all the time fresh kill? I think yeah, probably,
Speaker 5: but I wouldn't doubt there's been a deer on that
Speaker 5: hood well.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, that gentleman sent us picture
Speaker 2: of that same truck with another good picture some bucksworthy.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, man, we're gonna have to We're gonna have
Speaker 2: to take a look at all of them. But here's
Speaker 2: the deal. Send us a picture of your truck to
Speaker 2: Fucked Up Old Trucks at the mediater dot com, and
Speaker 2: over the next few weeks, we're gonna kind of get
Speaker 2: a collection of I don't know, fifty to one hundred
Speaker 2: of the best pictures we get. We're gonna put those
Speaker 2: on the website, and then you can go vote for
Speaker 2: the rigs that actually make the calendar, so you you'll
Speaker 2: have a hand in deciding which pictures get in the calendar.
Speaker 2: The people who get their rigs in the calendar are
Speaker 2: gonna get a sweet prize package two hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: dollars Mediater store gift card that's good across all all
Speaker 2: the mediatter brands. You're gonna get a free BHA membership
Speaker 2: and BHA is gonna throw in some additional swag. The
Speaker 2: calendar is gonna come out in a few months, like
Speaker 2: late summer, early fall. And here's why you gotta buy it,
Speaker 2: because we're donating two dollars from the sale of each
Speaker 2: copy of the calendar to BHA to help them keep
Speaker 2: fighting all these attack never ending attacks on our public lands.
Speaker 2: So it's all it's going to a good cause. You
Speaker 2: put that thing up in your garage and you feel
Speaker 2: good about yourself, so send us your pictures. We need
Speaker 2: more folks moving on. You guys, Krinn and Corey a
Speaker 2: little jealous. You just went to go to the like
Speaker 2: West Texas Desert Mountains to hunt for our dad, So
Speaker 2: I want you to give us a rundown of that hunt,
Speaker 2: and then we're gonna be joined by a guest from
Speaker 2: Texas Parks and Wildlife to talk about some of the
Speaker 2: problems that these non native sheep are causing for native wildlife.
Speaker 2: But first, just just give us a rundown of your hunt.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's see, Krinn, her significant other, Matt, and myself
Speaker 5: were invited down to West Texas by doctor Phil Loretzki,
Speaker 5: who's been on the Meteor podcast and this show more
Speaker 5: than once. The Duck DNA Turkey DNA guy good friend
Speaker 5: of ours. He invited us down to hunt odd ad
Speaker 5: on the Indio Research Indio Mountain Research Station, which is
Speaker 5: right on the border of Mexico, right on the Rio
Speaker 5: Grande in the trans Pacos region of West Texas. There. Yeah,
Speaker 5: we hunted two full days. Gratefully it wasn't as hot
Speaker 5: as it normally is in early April down there. We
Speaker 5: got really lucky and never saw tempts over seventy degrees.
Speaker 5: I don't believe the first day we killed two ewes,
Speaker 5: which was kind of our primary goal down there, was
Speaker 5: to do what we can to minimize the odd ad
Speaker 5: population on that ranch by taking a few ewes females.
Speaker 5: There's Curris my boyfriend Matt with a beautiful ew right
Speaker 5: at last light. That was pretty incredible.
Speaker 2: That's some cool looking country man.
Speaker 5: It was. It was way more rugged than I expected.
Speaker 2: Did you get any a step on, any rattlers or
Speaker 2: get any cactus spines in your ass?
Speaker 5: Definitely some cactus in the bus.
Speaker 4: Was it ste or I forgot who it's like? Who
Speaker 4: said something about like the down there, like the thorns
Speaker 4: having thorns, you can't you couldn't grab hold of anything.
Speaker 5: Everything wants to bite you, stingya.
Speaker 2: It's all spot in stock.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, all spot in stock. We drove around a
Speaker 5: little bit inevitably to find the sheep. We had to
Speaker 5: put a lot of miles boots on the ground and
Speaker 5: uh yeah, we killed those two ewes on day one
Speaker 5: and then day two, Karinn, Phil and I went out
Speaker 5: and glassed up this group of twenty three odd ad
Speaker 5: on this the high it was actually the highest point
Speaker 5: on the ranch, forty thousand acre ranch, and we were
Speaker 5: able to stalk in. Took a couple hours to stalk
Speaker 5: into four hundred yards and I was able to put
Speaker 5: down this beautiful ram and Karin actually harvested a nice
Speaker 5: sub adult ram as well. But in front of us
Speaker 5: is the recently euro mounted you.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: There was a lot of fun to euromount. Actually you
Speaker 5: got to pop these horns off, uh, and then you
Speaker 5: can boil the skull bleached it kind of glistened up
Speaker 5: the horns and then glued him back on beautiful mount.
Speaker 5: Thank you. Yeah, but the the you meat is delicious,
Speaker 5: very blown away by the texture and the flavor of
Speaker 5: the meat. The rams a little tougher, but got about
Speaker 5: one hundred pounds of meat off the ram.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're burly animals, they really are.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: He probably before we field dressed and weighed about three
Speaker 5: hundred pounds, so he wasn't easy to roll around. We
Speaker 5: did make some there's a photo up of us making
Speaker 5: I think that was the ribs off of my ew
Speaker 5: over the fire as we packed up camp made some
Speaker 5: great last Steve here he'd be.
Speaker 2: Tearing you up about how you're saying you oh you
Speaker 2: oo ooh you you you?
Speaker 5: What did I say?
Speaker 7: You?
Speaker 5: Phil?
Speaker 3: Who me?
Speaker 7: You?
Speaker 6: Audio?
Speaker 3: Classic?
Speaker 2: So you guys had a good time we did.
Speaker 5: It was a hell of an experience.
Speaker 4: And tough hunting. Tough hunting for sure, tough.
Speaker 2: To meaning tough physically.
Speaker 4: Tough, tough for yeah, maybe toughest for me. But yeah,
Speaker 4: the it's it's really punishing territory, I mean, and those
Speaker 4: those animals are robust to be able to live out
Speaker 4: there striving. They eat forage, cactus. Maybe there's a little
Speaker 4: bit water, a little bit of water here and there,
Speaker 4: but yeah, they're it's tough tough to hunt them.
Speaker 2: Well, that's a great segue into our first interview. Our
Speaker 2: first guest is Texas Parks and Wildlife Desert Big Horn
Speaker 2: Sheet program leader Freulin Hernandez Brolin. We got you on
Speaker 2: the line.
Speaker 6: Yep, no, thank you for having me on the show.
Speaker 6: Glad to be here.
Speaker 2: So Freudlan, these oudad are you'll also hear them called
Speaker 2: barbary sheep there. They're native to northern and western Africa.
Speaker 2: But yeah, in decades past they've been cut loose in
Speaker 2: places like New Mexico and Texas to provide additional hunting opportunities.
Speaker 2: Can you give us like a brief history of the
Speaker 2: out ad population in West Texas and then we'll get
Speaker 2: into why there's such a big problem for desert big
Speaker 2: horn sheep.
Speaker 6: Yep, yep no, So again, thank you for having me. Uh.
Speaker 8: You know, ironically the text Sparks and Wildlife brought him
Speaker 8: in back in the mad thirty fifties. They brought him in,
Speaker 8: as you say, as an additional game species, and there
Speaker 8: was also some private reintroductions and I know they were
Speaker 8: up in the in the final Luto Canyon of the
Speaker 8: Panhandle of Texas and then some in the in the
Speaker 8: in West Texas. And at that time, I don't think
Speaker 8: anybody envisioned that they would do as well as they've done.
Speaker 8: And so now they occur in all the mountains in
Speaker 8: West Texas, they occur up in a Poolutle Canyon, and
Speaker 8: again in a Panhandle and also in Central Texas. And
Speaker 8: they've done really, really well just in the in the
Speaker 8: trespakers of Texas. We estimate that there's probably twenty to
Speaker 8: twenty five thousand odd that in those West Texas mountains.
Speaker 2: So there's twenty five thousand of those suckers out there.
Speaker 2: What's your best guess on like a historic high population
Speaker 2: of like how many big horns used to occupy the
Speaker 2: mountains of West Texas?
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 8: Well, And so back in the eighteen eighties there were
Speaker 8: estimates of hunting a fifteen hundred, twenty five hundred, not
Speaker 8: up there even three thousand, and up until recently, about
Speaker 8: five six years ago, we had hit that historic kai again.
Speaker 8: We were seeing fifteen hundred animals, fifteen hundred big horns
Speaker 8: in the West Texas mountain. In twenty nineteen, we've got
Speaker 8: a first disease event and we are now, uh, we've
Speaker 8: lost over fifty percent of the herd now we've got
Speaker 8: about six hundred to seven hundred of big horns in
Speaker 8: the state, when just five years ago we were up
Speaker 8: to again the eighteen eighty levels.
Speaker 2: And and that disease event that that's pneumonia.
Speaker 8: I'm guessing correct, that's the No, We've had three independent
Speaker 8: disease events since twenty nineteen, and that's the Michael plasma
Speaker 8: of pneumonia or the mov that causes pneumonia.
Speaker 2: Are so are the ourdad transmitting that to the big
Speaker 2: horns or the ourdad just out competing them for resources?
Speaker 2: Like what kind of problems are the ourdad actually causing
Speaker 2: for the native desert big horns in Texas.
Speaker 8: It's a it's a combination of those two things and others.
Speaker 6: But those two things and so the add that do
Speaker 6: carry that in.
Speaker 8: We've done research in pen conditions, pen setting and the
Speaker 8: odd that are able to transmit that bacteria to the
Speaker 8: desert big horns.
Speaker 6: We have not definitively proved that in a wild setting.
Speaker 8: We've tested thirteen different mountain ranges in West Texas, and
Speaker 8: in all thirteen mountain ranges we have found that all
Speaker 8: that carry that bacteria and in some cases up to
Speaker 8: sixty percent of the animals that we've sampled carry that bacteria.
Speaker 6: So it's a it's a.
Speaker 8: Huge problem from a disease standpoint.
Speaker 6: The competition.
Speaker 8: They completely outcompete the big horns, not just through because
Speaker 8: of numbers, but also they're just a bigger, hardier animal.
Speaker 8: They hoard the big horn ewes and and push off
Speaker 8: the big horn rams and so ad that rams create
Speaker 8: their own big horn hairm type of deals.
Speaker 6: So they're socially disruptive. I mean, it's it's it's just
Speaker 6: you name it. You know. They just outcompete, the outcompete
Speaker 6: the big horns.
Speaker 8: And that's just from a competition standpoint. In the numbers
Speaker 8: that they occur, they just devastate the habitat. There are
Speaker 8: places that the countryside has almost peeled to the ground
Speaker 8: and that's simply just a density result of the high
Speaker 8: densities that they're they carry in yep.
Speaker 2: So this is like a problem that's not necessarily unique
Speaker 2: to Texas, but Texas is I think something like ninety
Speaker 2: eight percent private land, and the area where these our
Speaker 2: dad are living is also almost exclusively private land. And
Speaker 2: you've got a lot of landowners that are charging folks
Speaker 2: to go hunt for our dads. So my question is like,
Speaker 2: can a hunting really have an impact and is it
Speaker 2: a challenge with getting landowners on board to really knock
Speaker 2: back those out aut numbers through hunting.
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 8: And so, uh, you got two things going on there.
Speaker 8: One is the hunting aspect of it, and uh, it's
Speaker 8: supplemental income for for landowners. But just from a sheer
Speaker 8: number perspective, a density perspective, hunting alone is not going
Speaker 8: to reduce the numbers down the levels that aren't detrimental
Speaker 8: to the habitat or that they don't compete with our
Speaker 8: native unculates and and and so when you have twenty
Speaker 8: to thirty thousand big horns out on the landscape and
Speaker 8: only a few hundred big horns, I mean it, it's
Speaker 8: a well, it's just it's just a huge, huge challenge
Speaker 8: for us for us to overcome.
Speaker 6: I will say that the mindset is changing.
Speaker 8: Landowner mindset is changing, and they are recognizing that the
Speaker 8: odd dead not only uh have negative impacts on our
Speaker 8: big horns, but but also on on mule deer.
Speaker 2: And we're looking at that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so we've got research looking looking into that. And
Speaker 8: so you got you know, the odd ad out competing
Speaker 8: the big horns. They're also uh you know, wreaking havoc
Speaker 8: on muleier populations and the habitat, and so landowners are
Speaker 8: are are finally realizing that, uh, too many out of
Speaker 8: that on the landscape are detrimental. So we don't want
Speaker 8: we Texas Parks and Wailave would like to see all
Speaker 8: of that gone, but realistically that's not a that's not
Speaker 8: a realistic goal. And so we're working with landowners to
Speaker 8: lessen those densities adreakys those densities, the levels that that
Speaker 8: aren't detrimental to our native ungulates or the habitat.
Speaker 2: What what's that kind of work look like?
Speaker 9: Uh?
Speaker 2: I mean, like, do you see a potential of ourdad,
Speaker 2: you know, getting knocked back to the point where there's
Speaker 2: a healthy desert big horn population again? And like what
Speaker 2: kind of human human intervention does that involve.
Speaker 8: It's gonna it's gonna require partnerships. I mean that there's
Speaker 8: no two ways about it. It's gonna require partnerships with
Speaker 8: parks and Wildlife, with landowners, with NGOs, with the hunting community.
Speaker 6: Uh to be able to address that.
Speaker 8: You know that that monumental challenge, and it's not gonna
Speaker 8: happen overnight. And and it's again, it's gonna require everyone
Speaker 8: getting on that same ship and saying, Okay, we've got
Speaker 8: to do something. Uh, we've got to decrease the population
Speaker 8: all that populations, uh dramatically for for there to be changed.
Speaker 8: And and again I'm pretty optimistic. I like to consider
Speaker 8: myself an optimistic person. Uh, but I do realize I'm
Speaker 8: also a realist, and I do realize that it's not
Speaker 8: gonna happen overnight. And so we got our work cut
Speaker 8: out for us. And when I say we, I'm not
Speaker 8: just talking Texas parks and wildlife. I'm talking landowners, NGOs,
Speaker 8: a hunting community.
Speaker 6: You know, just everybody's gonna.
Speaker 8: Have to get on board to be able to to
Speaker 8: move in a in a positive direction.
Speaker 2: Great, So can you crystal ball a future for desert
Speaker 2: big Horns and say twenty years like even like if
Speaker 2: you're being super optimistic, like you, you like like what
Speaker 2: you would like to see eventually happen now?
Speaker 8: And so my goal uh, and I'm charged with with
Speaker 8: that responsibility. But my goal, professional and personal goal is
Speaker 8: is to see the West Texas Mountains, all of the
Speaker 8: West Texas Mountains that are considered uh historical big horn
Speaker 8: range for them to be occupied by big horns, and
Speaker 8: so can we do that?
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely we can.
Speaker 8: We can do that, but again, as I mentioned, we're
Speaker 8: all gonna have to you know, kind of roll up
Speaker 8: our sleeves and get the work. We just did a
Speaker 8: capture and translocation from our only clean soares in the state, and.
Speaker 6: That's Elephant Mountain.
Speaker 8: Whilefe bataging area, we captured seventy seven big horns. We
Speaker 8: took them over, translocated them to the Franklin Mountains which
Speaker 8: are situated within El Paso. And and you know, we
Speaker 8: hope that that population there does well, it takes hold,
Speaker 8: it becomes you know, sustainable on its own, and then
Speaker 8: it grows and we're able to do capturing and translocations
Speaker 8: off of their two other mountain ranges. So uh, you know,
Speaker 8: again I'm optimistic that we're able to do that, but
Speaker 8: we need to address all that densities first.
Speaker 2: Gotcha you mentioned some n g O s Uh, what
Speaker 2: are some menos people can throw a little cash towards
Speaker 2: to help out.
Speaker 8: You know, two of our greatest partners are the Texas
Speaker 8: Bayhorn Society and the Wildsheet Foundation. You know, we've we've
Speaker 8: you know, they've been with us through thick and thin.
Speaker 8: They've supported us, you know, financially as well as logistically.
Speaker 8: So those two organizations are you know, have been at
Speaker 8: the forefront with us, you know, trying to trying to attack.
Speaker 5: These these issues.
Speaker 8: But then you also have you know, in fact that
Speaker 8: was at a conference just last week and talking to
Speaker 8: some folks from uh Grand Slam Club, Ovist. We got
Speaker 8: the Texas Wileff Association, Dallas Safari Club, Houston Safari Club,
Speaker 8: any conservation organization. Uh, they lend a hand. But our
Speaker 8: two greatest partners is the Texas Big Horn Society in
Speaker 8: the Wallsheet Foundation.
Speaker 2: Great. Okay, last question, Freulan, how did get a bad
Speaker 2: raps table fair? What's your what's your favorite way to
Speaker 2: eat those things?
Speaker 7: Man?
Speaker 8: I love them, I love them and and they and
Speaker 8: they do they do get a bad rap. And I
Speaker 8: think they get a bad rap because most of the
Speaker 8: animals that are harvested are are tough old rams and
Speaker 8: so as you might suspect it's it's it's probably not
Speaker 8: as tasty as as a lamber or you.
Speaker 6: And so Corey was mentioning that, uh, you know, I heard.
Speaker 8: That he he harvested a couple of years and they
Speaker 8: were a great taste to Manna.
Speaker 6: I love them. I grew up on gold. I love
Speaker 6: it to me. It tastes very similar to goat.
Speaker 8: You know you got you can do it and be
Speaker 8: yeah you can, uh you know, do some steaks, you
Speaker 8: name it. I've done some sausage that processed my own
Speaker 8: meat and so I've done some odd that sausage and
Speaker 8: that's the best eating sausage that I've had so far.
Speaker 6: So now they're good eating out. I would like for
Speaker 6: people to try them a little more.
Speaker 8: Maybe change that perspective or change that uh, change that attitude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, I want to come down there and
Speaker 2: have you cook for you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna hit you up for some
Speaker 4: recipes after you jump off the line.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, yeah, from down I'll yeah, you know, y'all come down.
Speaker 8: I'll definitely burn some meat for y'all.
Speaker 2: Well, great froul and thanks for checking in with us
Speaker 2: and and and learning us up on this. It was
Speaker 2: it was real interesting talking to you.
Speaker 8: Yeah, man, drive safe now, you bet. Thank y'all again,
Speaker 8: appreciate what y'all do. H your interest in getting the
Speaker 8: story out. Man, it's it's awesome. Y'all do great work.
Speaker 2: Great thanks man, have a good day, you think likewise.
Speaker 4: Gosh, that's really interesting. I didn't realize that the odd
Speaker 4: ad rams gather big horn females.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he Yeah, I mean I think he
Speaker 2: was more saying they like push like push him out,
Speaker 2: but they're real aggressive.
Speaker 5: Well, I guess there is evidence that the will gather harems.
Speaker 2: And then the big horn rams just can't get to them, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, gotta wonder if yeah, out competing just stuff in
Speaker 5: their blood to be kind of bullies and they think
Speaker 5: they're all bad ass the bullet hits them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Will you guys make me want to go down
Speaker 2: there and hunt them?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 2: It's pretty fun, but I'm a turkey hunter this time
Speaker 2: of year. And uh, next up, we've got some regional
Speaker 2: turkey hunting reports. Oh it's music to my ear. Wow,
Speaker 2: it's my favorite favorite two sounds.
Speaker 5: In the world. Well, he's goblin.
Speaker 2: We got uh, We're gonna check in with Giannie, Brent
Speaker 2: and Doug and get a report from those guys.
Speaker 1: First, All right, turkey report from southern Colorado Giannis putell
Speaker 1: Us and Steven ronello. As you can see, we've got
Speaker 1: a couple of dead birds. We actually had three in
Speaker 1: the last three days. But the turkey hunting has been tough.
Speaker 1: We found him on the roost. They've gobbled good on
Speaker 1: the roost. Once they hit the ground, they've been silent.
Speaker 1: We killed two of the latest birds we've ever killed.
Speaker 1: The one fellaw that was here for the TRCP hunt
Speaker 1: killed a bird at about seven thirty seven forty and
Speaker 1: I killed a bird almost by at eight o'clock last night. Now, Steve,
Speaker 1: anything to add to that.
Speaker 6: No, it's been tough.
Speaker 7: They're they're glued to the hens. You know, guys will
Speaker 7: be like, oh, they're all hand up, but glued to
Speaker 7: the hens. The turkeys we've killed, I mean to be
Speaker 7: honest with We've had to bushwhack our turks.
Speaker 6: We've had to like hunt them like spot in stock
Speaker 6: turkey hunting.
Speaker 7: After a lot of calling attempts, a lot of calling attempts.
Speaker 9: I'm hunting at one of my most favorite places with
Speaker 9: some of my most favorite people. It's Missouri turkey season
Speaker 9: week two. Yesterday, first day that I got here, it
Speaker 9: rained all day. It was cold and miserable, and my
Speaker 9: hunt was cold. And miserable. But I was turkey hunting,
Speaker 9: and that beach work any day. No goblin from the roost,
Speaker 9: no goblin from the ground. They didn't even see a
Speaker 9: goblin where I was hunting.
Speaker 6: This morning, a new day, a new hunt.
Speaker 9: No goblin from the roost, just a little bit of wind, cloudy.
Speaker 9: You would think they had been goblin, but is luck
Speaker 9: would have it, you didn't. So it was discouraging, to
Speaker 9: say the least. But if you stick with it long enough,
Speaker 9: if you're going to be a turkey.
Speaker 6: Hunter and you're committed to being a good one.
Speaker 9: You gotta stay with it as long as you can.
Speaker 2: Sometimes he is a virtue.
Speaker 5: It's goblin time in Missouri.
Speaker 10: Well we're hearing the report from stan what's that? What
Speaker 10: did you hear down there? You morning after?
Speaker 6: Wow? How about before? I heard a couple of them?
Speaker 10: Huh? Well, so fight it down is the report from
Speaker 10: southwest Wisconsin. I still think that if you're out hunting
Speaker 10: turkeys in this area, the best thing you can do
Speaker 10: is find a spot where they're likely to be wanting
Speaker 10: to move, and be patient and stay there. We certainly
Speaker 10: employ that strategy at the first part of the season.
Speaker 10: Really sitting in blinds or finding a location and finding
Speaker 10: a good tree to lean up against and stay on,
Speaker 10: but keep the running and gun into a minimum minimum.
Speaker 10: We've done really well with that strategy. We're seven for seven.
Speaker 10: Keifer is the first one so far. It hasn't got one,
Speaker 10: but this was just the first day of it. It's
Speaker 10: April thirtieth, the first day of season, seeing Wisconsin, and
Speaker 10: that is the report from here. Be patient and stay
Speaker 10: after him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, nice, thanks guys.
Speaker 2: Man. I don't know about Johannis and Steve. Maybe they're
Speaker 2: not good at Collin turkeys. Everyone else is getting them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was interesting while they're flaying some breasts on
Speaker 5: the tail. Yeah, but they had to earn him. It
Speaker 5: sounded like it looked like it was hot down there.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. I've been out a couple times here in
Speaker 2: Montana season open to fifteenth. I killed one opening day
Speaker 2: like classic, you know, gobbling on the roost, gobbling a
Speaker 2: little on the ground, and then worked on him for
Speaker 2: an hour and killed him. And then went out last
Speaker 2: week and got a couple with my boys. So it's
Speaker 2: like it's been good here in Montana. It's I mean,
Speaker 2: it's always the thing where they gobble like crazy on
Speaker 2: the roost and slowed down for a while, And it
Speaker 2: seems like an hour after they hit the ground, the
Speaker 2: hens leave them and the goblin picks up.
Speaker 3: So like it's it's.
Speaker 2: Been good here. That's that's really all I can say.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it sounds like there's been a lot of success
Speaker 5: around the office. Yeah, yeah, opening day especially.
Speaker 2: And man, I think it's like any other kind of hunting,
Speaker 2: Like someone's hunting one spot, it's like, Eh, they're not
Speaker 2: gobbling here, And like you talk to someone who's hunting
Speaker 2: ten miles away or twenty miles away, and they're like, God,
Speaker 2: they're gobbling like crazy. They came running in. So like
Speaker 2: regionals is a regional reports good? But I like, I
Speaker 2: think it's like real important to like know what's going
Speaker 2: on on a like micro level local level too.
Speaker 4: We went turkey hunting. I this is only a second
Speaker 4: time I've ever gone. We saw four different hens, came
Speaker 4: real close, but no.
Speaker 2: Gobbles, no goblins, gobbles. You haven't been out you're you've
Speaker 2: just been out there.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I like to kill a bear before I go
Speaker 5: turkey hunting, which should have one down in twenty four hours.
Speaker 5: How to buddy miss one last Friday. It's a long shot, though,
Speaker 5: make sure your dope's accurate.
Speaker 2: There you go, there's a good.
Speaker 4: Tip, hot tip.
Speaker 2: All right, Phil, What do we got on the listener
Speaker 2: feedback here?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, just a reminder let's get some questions in
Speaker 3: for the hosts, especially if they're specific to any of
Speaker 3: the hosts. Prody Krin Corey. We had this question last week,
Speaker 3: but it's a whole different crew this week, and it's
Speaker 3: a popular question I've noticed, But the dubster is asking
Speaker 3: for those favorite turkey recipes other than standard frying. I'm guessing,
Speaker 3: like you know, I hear about nuggets all the time,
Speaker 3: and schnitzel that was the popular.
Speaker 5: That's all.
Speaker 2: It's like, six is different versions of frying turkeys. They're
Speaker 2: all good. Something I like to do, that's like my
Speaker 2: whole family loves is just slow cook braise those thighs
Speaker 2: and drums and wings. Like it's a pain in the
Speaker 2: ass to cut turkey wings off of those birds, but
Speaker 2: it's worth it. Like you get two wings off of
Speaker 2: a gobbler and there's like a significant chunk of meat
Speaker 2: off of those wings. So you throw all that stuff
Speaker 2: in some stock raise it for however, long. It takes
Speaker 2: five six hours. Then you then you pull all that
Speaker 2: stuff off the bone and just make tacos out of it.
Speaker 4: What's a flavor profile that you're normally doing that?
Speaker 2: I mean flavors, Yeah, citrus and cumin, a lot of that.
Speaker 2: And you can fry that stuff that that that pulled
Speaker 2: meat and get a little crisp on it.
Speaker 5: That sounds yeah. Go to the meat eater website and
Speaker 5: look for Danielle Pruetz tequila turkey tacos. That's my favorite
Speaker 5: way to eat those legs.
Speaker 3: M This one is something I know nothing about, but
Speaker 3: Jeremy asks. He says, I've been I've recently been hunting
Speaker 3: pigs in close cords with a lever three fifty seven
Speaker 3: as anyone else had success with hunting with a pistol
Speaker 3: caliber rifle. Cheers from either Australia or Austin or Austria,
Speaker 3: We don't know. He cut off the word there.
Speaker 2: But you know, I've never never done it. I don't
Speaker 2: see why it wouldn't work great if you were shooting
Speaker 2: them up close.
Speaker 5: Yeah, never tried that.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Thank God, we don't have pigs up here yet yet.
Speaker 3: Brandon asks Brodie what was more fun competing on Meat
Speaker 3: Eater Roast or judging on the show.
Speaker 2: Obviously, it's like it's just way more relaxing judging, But
Speaker 2: it was fun cooking too. I don't know. I liked
Speaker 2: him both. You know, you got Steve and Jesse were
Speaker 2: a little harsh with their judging. I got thick skin.
Speaker 2: I liked him both. I'd like another crack at the
Speaker 2: cooking though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is gonna be a Brodie specific question, I'm sure,
Speaker 3: but Nick asks what advice does the crew have for
Speaker 3: someone trying to get their first turkey in Pennsylvania? Definitely
Speaker 3: three years zero turkeys, he says.
Speaker 2: I would I don't know, Like Pennsylvania is a big
Speaker 2: ass state with a lot of different kind of country.
Speaker 2: You could be hunting turkeys on a twenty acre chunk
Speaker 2: of private or you could be hunting thousands of acres
Speaker 2: of state forest. So like, I don't know, man, if
Speaker 2: I was hunting in the middle of the state where
Speaker 2: there's a lot of public land, I would kind of
Speaker 2: look at it like elk hunting out west and just
Speaker 2: like hike into some stuff that's just not getting hunted.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if that's that's nixt situation here.
Speaker 2: If there's turkeys around and you're hunting a small chunk
Speaker 2: of private, take Doug's advice and just like, find a
Speaker 2: good spot where there's turkeys passing through and just sit
Speaker 2: there as long as you can and just call now
Speaker 2: and then, and eventually something good's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: Cool, let's see here. Jacob asks, Hey, Corey, I was
Speaker 3: going turkey hunting this weekend and I might see a bear.
Speaker 3: I was going to carry my slug barrel too. I'm
Speaker 3: using a twenty gage. Do you think if I keep
Speaker 3: it under one hundred yards, I'm assuming I could kill
Speaker 3: a bear.
Speaker 5: Man, I'd get even closer than that. It's a long
Speaker 5: shot with a slug fifty yards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just the idea of having to, like, oh there's
Speaker 2: a bear, change barrels and then all it's like that.
Speaker 2: I'm not telling him not to do it, but he's
Speaker 2: making life awful difficult.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I've done that before. I've carried shotguns around and
Speaker 5: a bow on my back because tis the season for
Speaker 5: both turkey and bears to be on the docket for hunting.
Speaker 2: But if you were hunting a spot where you could
Speaker 2: run bears with hounds, Yeah, there you go. That slug
Speaker 2: gun work just fine.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Shoot him out a tree, yeah yeah, yeah, I get tight. Man,
Speaker 5: that's a one hundred yards would be tough unless you're
Speaker 5: that confident. But I'd say get right in there and
Speaker 5: shoot him in the forehead.
Speaker 3: McKenna is asking you, guys, what caliber you used for
Speaker 3: your on your odd ad hunt.
Speaker 5: I had a three hundred wind mag very trustworthy caliber
Speaker 5: I've used since I was twelve.
Speaker 4: I brought my six', five which would have been, fine
Speaker 4: but THEN i Used corey's rifle just because of the whole.
Speaker 5: Situation, yeah it was All we were set up on
Speaker 5: this rock pile surrounded by cactus and just found like
Speaker 5: the one little body shaped size that didn't have, cactus
Speaker 5: AND i shot mine and the odd. Ad most of
Speaker 5: the Odd ad went off the, cliff but a couple
Speaker 5: stayed there And kringe jumped up onto my gun that
Speaker 5: the dope was dialed and, everything and.
Speaker 2: Got rifle that sig cross the saw. Tooth, yep you
Speaker 2: run a suppressor on. It, yep got The so the
Speaker 2: recoil didn't bother you with that suppressor, On.
Speaker 4: No not at. All normally recall coil doesn't bother me
Speaker 4: too much for for any kind of bigger Guns i've
Speaker 4: shot suppressed or. Not that normally doesn't bother me. Much
Speaker 4: but a six' five would have been fine, for that
Speaker 4: and probably a couple of other calibers would have been.
Speaker 4: FOR that i probably would have shot up used my
Speaker 4: three h eight too on. That hunt that would have worked.
Speaker 3: For sure, all right we'll do one more here for,
Speaker 3: this segment and we'll move it. Along here this is the, Big.
Speaker 3: Question karinn but this is, For. You karin what is
Speaker 3: your most memorable? MOMENT outdoors i think we can narrow
Speaker 3: that down to the last six years, or so since you, working,
Speaker 3: HERE well.
Speaker 4: I would honestly have to say bits of this recent odd.
Speaker 4: AD hunt i think because it was, so so so challenging,
Speaker 4: for me traumatizing now.
Speaker 5: It was it was just.
Speaker 4: Really tough at ONE point i was probably close to.
Speaker 4: Being dehydrated the the heights and the incline were pretty terrifying,
Speaker 4: for me so. Definitely memorable there was a POINT where i, was,
Speaker 4: like SO so i guess weekend buy it. ALL that, i,
Speaker 4: Said like i'm very grateful for, the Experience but i'd
Speaker 4: never do. It again and obviously that's not that's not
Speaker 4: true Now that i've come. Through it but but that
Speaker 4: hunt was was probably up there and then probably my second,
Speaker 4: solo Meal. Deer hunt it was just very uh gratifying
Speaker 4: to take something on my own that that's always a
Speaker 4: little bit of a of a boost to know that
Speaker 4: you could be successful out there on. Your own.
Speaker 5: That's huge and there.
Speaker 4: You?
Speaker 3: Go cool is?
Speaker 8: That?
Speaker 3: It phil we've got more, coming in, but yeah, we
Speaker 3: can we. Can tackle there's gonna be another segment at
Speaker 3: the end of, the show so don't stop submitting questions
Speaker 3: and we might tackle a few that people have. Already
Speaker 3: asked so, all right it's.
Speaker 2: Time For Meat.
Speaker 11: Eater menu in, that said.
Speaker 3: What that's a?
Speaker 2: New, one, yeah excellent excellent job again.
Speaker 3: NEXT week i mean THAT'S when i was editing that,
Speaker 3: THIS morning i was just laughing at how that's probably
Speaker 3: my most. Dumb one it's. So stupid.
Speaker 5: Those notes made.
Speaker 2: Me cry, oh good, All right metior menu is when
Speaker 2: our hosts uh cook up a wild wild food dish
Speaker 2: and we're gonna share those dishes wish with you and
Speaker 2: show you, a picture and then we're gonna do something
Speaker 2: a little different. This time we're gonna we're gonna let
Speaker 2: the listeners decide who made the best, best meal which
Speaker 2: is only based on. A picture, of course you know
Speaker 2: you can't, taste it but you know the eyes are
Speaker 2: important when you're eating.
Speaker 5: Eating foods don't nobody be licking? Their, Computer well.
Speaker 4: I'M glad i didn't end. UP cooking I thought i
Speaker 4: may have had time.
Speaker 2: To do why THAT'S what i wanted.
Speaker 5: TO see i just had, a busy.
Speaker 2: Busy, week well tell people what you were going.
Speaker 4: To, Do okay so this, past fall a bunch of
Speaker 4: us uh with meat eater experiences Fished. In louisiana and
Speaker 4: there were we when we were, Cleaning fish STEVE and
Speaker 4: i cleaned up some some, fish head AND so i
Speaker 4: was going to look into you're, Talking, about well. There's
Speaker 4: two so we actually have we have it in our
Speaker 4: in our in. Our freezer here we have some ginormous.
Speaker 4: TUNEA head i want one. Of those but we we
Speaker 4: also cleaned up the heads of of the red fish and.
Speaker 4: Some OTHERS so i think there were red fish HEADS
Speaker 4: that i brought HOME that i was thinking of doing
Speaker 4: some kind of grill.
Speaker 2: Or stew there's a surprising amount of meat when you
Speaker 2: started digging around and like certain kinds.
Speaker 4: Of fish and the cheeks and, the collar and then
Speaker 4: there's ACTUALLY like i, don't know what do you, call it,
Speaker 4: FOREHEAD meat.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 2: Nothing else you can make a big batch at. Seafood, stock.
Speaker 4: Yeah and, you know for some people looking at a,
Speaker 4: fish head it does not conjure up like that REAL
Speaker 4: like i want to. Eat, you yeah, you KNOW but
Speaker 4: i mean people people cook hold. THE head i mean,
Speaker 4: For me, FOR ME i i associate looking at like
Speaker 4: fish head soup with you get in. My BELLY but
Speaker 4: i did not make THAT because i didn't. Have time
Speaker 4: and instead we are going to show some photos From
Speaker 4: the canada goose stir FRY that i made on A
Speaker 4: Recent Meat eater. Roasts episode so This Was yannie's canada Goose.
Speaker 4: FROM arkansas i believe this is the FIRST time i
Speaker 4: had ever. Cooked goose i've never, hunted goose and this,
Speaker 4: IS probably i, don't know the Third time i've, eaten
Speaker 4: goose so not that much experience with. The bird, and
Speaker 4: uh it was a really. Beautiful breast and stir fry
Speaker 4: IS something, I mean I guess i didn't really get,
Speaker 4: creativity points but sturfries IS something i whip up. At
Speaker 4: home it's, pretty easy AND so i, used soy a
Speaker 4: little bit of OYSTER sauce i think was in. The
Speaker 4: kitchenfries do it.
Speaker 2: Perfect for roast because you can just kind of throw it.
Speaker 4: Together exactly you can throw any sortied sauce or, sauce
Speaker 4: combination uh for. A sturfry so how it. Turned out
Speaker 4: so one of the judges was my Dear Friend, linda
Speaker 4: huang who Is a, chinese Chef and YANNI thought i
Speaker 4: was making a stir fry, TO like i, don't know
Speaker 4: make it easy. For MYSELF but i told him it
Speaker 4: was actually going to be more Difficult because linda's standards
Speaker 4: would be. Very high so she was she. WAS surprised
Speaker 4: i was, surprised myself but she was surprised that it
Speaker 4: turned out that it turned out as. IT did i
Speaker 4: just tried to not overcook.
Speaker 2: The meat THAT'S what i was.
Speaker 4: Ask challenge it, was tender and SHE had I don't
Speaker 4: i think that was the first time She's eating canada
Speaker 4: goose and she said if she, didn't know she she
Speaker 4: would have thought it was, Like, beef.
Speaker 5: Yeah nice what's your garnish? On, that oh.
Speaker 4: There's some scallions and, sesame seeds and then the vegetables
Speaker 4: were it was yellow pepper and. Some, mushroom yeah it.
Speaker 5: Looks delicious tough to beat, That.
Speaker 2: One, corey oh.
Speaker 5: Let's see well, Wait here, I'M sorry.
Speaker 3: I couldn't remember how many. Pictures coincidentwave.
Speaker 11: This is here.
Speaker 5: We go, oh, yeah man that looks good, Right now
Speaker 5: i've made a Black bear california crunch rap supreme black?
Speaker 2: Bear burger is?
Speaker 8: That?
Speaker 2: Like what kind?
Speaker 4: Of?
Speaker 5: LIKE so i took a black bear shoulder roast and
Speaker 5: braised it, for gosh nine hours. Or so kind of forgot, about,
Speaker 5: it honestly but that was probably for.
Speaker 2: The best the nice blaze on.
Speaker 5: That, bear yeah from A bear i harvested. Last spring
Speaker 5: they call that a. Chevron, chevron yeah it looks like
Speaker 5: a wearing a. Good thing he had that going for
Speaker 5: him because his back was rubbed off. REALLY bad i
Speaker 5: got That late may and he had already rubbed too.
Speaker 5: Many trees, but yeah big, old bear fifteen year old
Speaker 5: black bear, meats delicious every single morsel. Of it but
Speaker 5: this was the last chunk. OF it I figured i
Speaker 5: might as well eat IT before i kill another one.
Speaker 5: This SPRING but i tried To Copy taco Bells Crunch
Speaker 5: wrap supreme and It's the California crunch RAP because i
Speaker 5: threw some avocado.
Speaker 2: In, there yeah explain the layering you got going.
Speaker 5: On there, let's see it's bear a crispy, corn, tortilla,
Speaker 5: cheese avocados and some hot sauce and then you just
Speaker 5: wrap it up all pretty kind of like. A quesadilla
Speaker 5: but there's two flour tortillas all pressed and heated and
Speaker 5: warmed and melted. And gooey AND then i got a
Speaker 5: little not homemade salsa to go with, it there Ripping Off.
Speaker 2: Taco bell you don't need. Homemade, salsa oh it was
Speaker 2: pretty easy To Outdo. Taco, bell, yeah great.
Speaker 6: All right.
Speaker 2: The old. Fried turkey we were talking about fried turkey
Speaker 2: just a minute ago that there is a fried. Turkey
Speaker 2: SANDWICH so i just you take a lobe or half
Speaker 2: of a turkey breast and slice that against the grain
Speaker 2: and get your cutlets and then just pound those. Things
Speaker 2: OUT then i like to soak them in buttermilk for a,
Speaker 2: little while and then, it's uh you throw like one
Speaker 2: layer of the, breading on get them in a. Dry
Speaker 2: breading then you dip them in an egg egg milk
Speaker 2: wash and then get another layer of that breading. On
Speaker 2: THERE and i did these in my. Deep frier you
Speaker 2: can do them in a in a cast, iron pan,
Speaker 2: you know with whatever half an inch of grease in.
Speaker 2: THE bottom i did these in the. Deep, friar honestly
Speaker 2: this is how in my family we eat most of
Speaker 2: our turkey breast meat because my boys. Love it it
Speaker 2: actually stretches it out more than making just a big batch,
Speaker 2: of nuggets like we always have leftovers for extra sandwiches
Speaker 2: from one. One lobe, very simple and it's just like
Speaker 2: a solid meal that my. KIDS love i love. It
Speaker 2: too and that's. A buffalo i think It's Like frank's
Speaker 2: buffalo wing sauce.
Speaker 3: On there, All right i'm gonna put a pole up
Speaker 3: in the live chat. Right now who had the best
Speaker 3: meat eat or? Menu dish Was it Krins, Stir, Fry
Speaker 3: canada Goose, Stir Fry Corey's black California crunt Rap Or
Speaker 3: Brodie's Fried. Turkey sandwich and.
Speaker 2: We're just gonna come back to.
Speaker 3: That later how about after the interview with our, next
Speaker 3: guests we'll check.
Speaker 5: IN there i don't know if anyone's paying attention or
Speaker 5: they're all Talking to spencer in.
Speaker 2: The, chat, Yes yeah spencer is always lurking, in, THERE
Speaker 2: man i don't.
Speaker 5: Like.
Speaker 2: It okay our next Guest Is, Montana fish Wildlife And
Speaker 2: park Region Six Wildlife Manager. Scott, thompson scott, YOU there
Speaker 2: i am Mayor got welcome to, the show and thanks
Speaker 2: for chatting with. Us, today yeah.
Speaker 7: You bet thanks for, The.
Speaker 2: Invite scott can you tell us about your ROLE with
Speaker 2: fwp conducting aerial big game surveys In? Northeast, montana.
Speaker 6: Yeah you.
Speaker 7: BET so i am the regional wildlife Manager for. Region.
Speaker 7: Six uh that area is a huge northeast Corner of
Speaker 7: montana For About north dakota over to The Sweet grass
Speaker 7: hills about halfway over to. The front so my ROLE
Speaker 7: is i have the privilege of leading a team of.
Speaker 7: Wildlife biologists they get to do most of the fun
Speaker 7: work in the field in the backseat of the supercub.
Speaker 7: Counting critters in my, PREVIOUS life i did a lot
Speaker 7: of that for about FOURTEEN years i was an area biologist. As, well,
Speaker 7: so yeah.
Speaker 2: And you guys do those aerial big game surveys like
Speaker 2: late winter? Early spring is that typically the time you're
Speaker 2: out there. Doing, that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it varies but that is right for most of
Speaker 7: our big game species except, for antelope which are spring or,
Speaker 7: excuse me summer surveys where we're trying to get an
Speaker 7: idea of fawn production and so we can react to
Speaker 7: changes in the population for the upcoming fall.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: Away Gotcha, uh so when when these biologists are going
Speaker 2: out in, the plane uh to do to? Do account
Speaker 2: are they focused On one they're they're like each flight
Speaker 2: has the goal of doing a survey for one species
Speaker 2: or are they kind of gathering into all the information
Speaker 2: they can or what's kind of the process most?
Speaker 7: Of them most of the surveys are designed to collect
Speaker 7: data on. One species so, for instance some of the
Speaker 7: pictures here are during winter, elk surveys And The missouri
Speaker 7: river breaks of course at high elevation in. Those photos
Speaker 7: but uh so the primary target and, Is elk but
Speaker 7: biologists do record what we would, call incidentals sightings or
Speaker 7: observations of, meal deer, you know other. Species encountered uh the,
Speaker 7: elk survey we do also a bighorn cheap survey at the,
Speaker 7: same time so that is a dual.
Speaker 2: Purpose survey, But gotcha and what's the actual? Counting process,
Speaker 2: look like like is are they sitting up there with
Speaker 2: a clicker, or like how are they doing the? Actual
Speaker 2: counting are these are these guys just good enough they
Speaker 2: can like look at that photo right there and, be,
Speaker 2: like man that's like thirty.
Speaker 3: Right, THERE.
Speaker 7: Yeah i challenge you to count elk once they get
Speaker 7: past about thirty to fifty in. A. Bunch. Yeah it
Speaker 7: so there's a couple couple things that the biologists. Will
Speaker 7: do so, you know the idea is to get the
Speaker 7: animals on a side profile that that helps us not
Speaker 7: only count how, many animals but then they're. Also classifying
Speaker 7: they're looking for how many calves are in, the bunch
Speaker 7: how many bulls or bucks or in. The bunch so
Speaker 7: oftentimes it's finding a group of animals and. Circling them
Speaker 7: if they're in a super cub, for example if they're in,
Speaker 7: a helicopter you're kind of moving with, the herd but
Speaker 7: both trying to count and trying, to classify and so
Speaker 7: it's a bit of. A process you might spend, you
Speaker 7: know five ten minutes with a group until you really
Speaker 7: get a sense of what's in. The group sometimes photography.
Speaker 2: CAN help i was going to ask you if that plays,
Speaker 2: a role like you come back later and count from
Speaker 2: pictures that.
Speaker 7: You're, taking, yeah, yeah yeah it's hard to get the
Speaker 7: classification data from. A photo sometimes, you can but the
Speaker 7: photo really helps. Verify that, you know it's, a snapshot
Speaker 7: you can. Count it when you have almost four hundred
Speaker 7: elk in a group and you're trying to count that
Speaker 7: and they're, all moving that's.
Speaker 5: Pretty.
Speaker 2: Difficult gotcha so one of the main other than getting
Speaker 2: the lowdown on how these, surveys works the main reason
Speaker 2: we wanted to talk to you Today IS montana fwp
Speaker 2: was recently forced to close hunting for bighorn Sheep in
Speaker 2: district six twenty two after a really drastic decline in
Speaker 2: cheap numbers in that unit in. Recent years how many
Speaker 2: sheep were in, that unit say ten, Years.
Speaker 3: Ago.
Speaker 7: Yeah so sheep numbers in that district have ranged between
Speaker 7: one hundred and fifty and three hundred animals that we
Speaker 7: observe on. The survey our population objective is about two,
Speaker 7: hundred animals so obviously it kind of varies through.
Speaker 4: The.
Speaker 7: Years yep so ten years ago we had over three
Speaker 7: interren animals and.
Speaker 2: Gotchaulation things but things were looking good, back then maybe
Speaker 2: too many in.
Speaker 7: That, unit, yeah yeah that really signaled to us to
Speaker 7: be a bit, more aggressive especially with you harvest and
Speaker 7: provide a lot of either sex or ram harvest at,
Speaker 7: the time and so we were, pretty aggressive allowing quite
Speaker 7: a few hunters access to hunting there and trying to
Speaker 7: bring it back to about two, hundred cheap which we
Speaker 7: did for a period of about five or.
Speaker 2: Six years and so how many when you went out
Speaker 2: there to do your survey. This spring i'm sure you
Speaker 2: guys that were already aware that there was a decline,
Speaker 2: going on but this spring when you did your, aerial
Speaker 2: survey how many sheep did you guys see in. That, unit.
Speaker 7: Yeah we were prepared for, a reduction but probably not
Speaker 7: what we saw and that was.
Speaker 3: Five wow.
Speaker 7: Five rams no hunters us fall had kind of had
Speaker 7: some trouble, finding cheap so we knew something was.
Speaker 2: Going on and what is? Going on what's the main
Speaker 2: driver for the decline in? That, unit.
Speaker 7: Well it is, Disease related uh. You know we we
Speaker 7: were able to get some samples from both hunter harvested
Speaker 7: sheep last fall an additional sample. This spring pneumonia is
Speaker 7: a driver here visible pneumonia in the lungs of several
Speaker 7: animals in some recent lab work from. Those samples, you
Speaker 7: know there's a number of bacterias and pathogens in, the
Speaker 7: herd and we've known that, for years but this is
Speaker 7: the first time. We've detected one of the key ones
Speaker 7: is michael plasma, ova pneumonia so we did detect that
Speaker 7: in the herd for the. First time, so yeah it's
Speaker 7: it's a. Complex thing there's a lot of a lot
Speaker 7: of bugs that can affect sheep and. Respiratory health and
Speaker 7: it looks like you hit them hard in six two.
Speaker 2: And and so the habitat there is in good shape,
Speaker 2: like that that's not playing a role at. All, here yeah.
Speaker 7: Habitet's good, you know we see the ups and downs
Speaker 7: with drought of rights a couple of years of dry
Speaker 7: conditions and we see lamb production suppressed during those times
Speaker 7: and then they. Bounce back, but yep so no overlying
Speaker 7: habitat issues that.
Speaker 2: We see So Like i've i've spent a little bit
Speaker 2: of time up in that part of, the STATE and
Speaker 2: i know there's, sheep nearby you know where these sheep
Speaker 2: kind of dropped off. To nothing is there a concern
Speaker 2: about the sheep and units that are adjacent to six,
Speaker 2: twenty two where these these sheep at a really. Tough, time.
Speaker 7: Yeah. It, Did this this die off did cause us
Speaker 7: to do just a quick check on those, neighboring herds
Speaker 7: and it looks like we're not seeing the same thing. Happen,
Speaker 7: there thankfully we have a pretty. Good separation there's about
Speaker 7: forty to fifty miles between, those populations so we can
Speaker 7: expect to have minimal interchange between those populations, of sheep
Speaker 7: but it. Can happen rams do go wandering, at times
Speaker 7: but at this point we don't have any major concerns for.
Speaker 7: Those populations.
Speaker 2: Is there any hope for recovery in six? Twenty two
Speaker 2: will those well we'll sheep from those adjacent units maybe,
Speaker 2: fill in or will you guys maybe get active and
Speaker 2: putting sheep back? In there are you just gonna like
Speaker 2: kind of see. What, HAPPENS.
Speaker 7: Yeah a common question and. GOOD question i would say
Speaker 7: there's a lot of decision points between.
Speaker 2: Here, and yeah what's The early.
Speaker 7: We're probably on about step two of ten and where
Speaker 7: do we go with? This HERD and i think at
Speaker 7: this point we really need to know more about, you
Speaker 7: know where did work you know them ov it appears
Speaker 7: to be a, new strain and so learning more about
Speaker 7: what does?
Speaker 3: That mean.
Speaker 7: And then there are a few individuals and we've learned
Speaker 7: of a few other individual sheep that hunters and recreationists
Speaker 7: have seen. Out there so now there's a handful of,
Speaker 7: sheep left so it would be good to know what
Speaker 7: is what is their status before we take any. Additional.
Speaker 2: Steps, gotcha well thanks a lot for talking. TO us
Speaker 2: i know this is not necessarily the happiest discussion, to
Speaker 2: have but it's important for people to know what's going on.
Speaker 2: OUT there, i mean you're talking about like a pretty pretty,
Speaker 2: well known pretty well regarded area for. Sheep hunting it's
Speaker 2: a place people, you know dream about drawing a big.
Speaker 2: Horn tag so hopefully the future's got got some bright
Speaker 2: spots in it for those sheep.
Speaker 7: Up, there, yeah YEAH and i hope. So too, and,
Speaker 7: yeah well we'll certainly be working hard to see if
Speaker 7: we can't recover that, that heard it's still, good habitat
Speaker 7: and you know we have we have a lot of
Speaker 7: support to. Do.
Speaker 2: That, Great, great Well, thanks scott it's been good talking,
Speaker 2: to YOU and i hope you have a, Great Day,
Speaker 2: Thanks scott thank.
Speaker 7: You guys, All, right.
Speaker 2: Phil who made the best food in?
Speaker 3: THIS room i would love to let, you know let's end.
Speaker 3: This poll in third place with sixteen percent of, the
Speaker 3: vote It Was krins steer A.
Speaker 2: Fry, yeah correct that got.
Speaker 5: My vote that.
Speaker 3: Look good and now in second place with thirty percent of,
Speaker 3: the vote It was brody sand which making with fifty
Speaker 3: two percent of. THE vote i feel like that's.
Speaker 4: The Yeah taco bell. Bear point that's the way to.
Speaker 5: EVERYBODY'S heart a little Two Am.
Speaker 2: TACO bell i, GUESS man i.
Speaker 5: Guess, rough well, thanks everybody just as good as.
Speaker 2: It looked we got any other feedback to check? In With, philm,
Speaker 2: well yeah.
Speaker 3: If you want to want to answer a few, more,
Speaker 3: Questions yeah i'm going to answer this one for ban
Speaker 3: unless current has some uh specific examples From The meat,
Speaker 3: eater PODCAST but i can't think. Of any but there
Speaker 3: might be some black bear. Hunt Recap so, ben asks
Speaker 3: is there a podcast of voted to diy over the
Speaker 3: counter black bear Hunts, in Montana like Degrees, of difficulty.
Speaker 3: ET cetera i would direct you to The wonderful Cutting the,
Speaker 3: distance podcast which is hosted by our Good, Friend jason Phelps.
Speaker 3: And dirk, but yeah you can go through that. Whole
Speaker 3: catalog i'm not sure if he has a specific black
Speaker 3: Bear in, montana ONE but i can all guarantee if
Speaker 3: you go even further Back When remy warren was, the
Speaker 3: host you'd probably be able to find some stuff there.
Speaker 3: As well because that's. The, podcast well you're going to
Speaker 3: find some very, specific instances specific situations and how to cut.
Speaker 3: The distance it's kind of the whole thing in. That
Speaker 3: Podcast so i'll check.
Speaker 5: That, out agreeed go back into the archives on. That
Speaker 5: one remy has multiple podcasts just related, to that Maybe not,
Speaker 5: montana Specific but western. BEAR hunting.
Speaker 3: A lot of Questions. For krin this one's from this One's.
Speaker 3: From andreas they all have a. Similar theme how why
Speaker 3: she started working at a company Like meat eater with minimal?
Speaker 4: Hunting experiences putting me on. The spot i'll make. This
Speaker 4: short my background is in journalism and. NEWS production i
Speaker 4: Moved to montana seven some, years ago came Upon, meat
Speaker 4: EATER and i guess the background parlayed INTO what i,
Speaker 4: Do now but the subject matter was, did not and
Speaker 4: the culinary aspect of meteor was always appealing. TO me
Speaker 4: i grew up eating all, the Things as i've stated throughout,
Speaker 4: the Years and i've loved the outdoors and just was
Speaker 4: was open to open to what meat eater was. Was
Speaker 4: doing and and.
Speaker 2: You'd probably never Have you have you even shot? A gun? I?
Speaker 4: Had, yeah yeah, my dad. My dad my dad's hobby,
Speaker 4: is firearms so so indoor range Stuff, wasn't yeah but long,
Speaker 4: distance rifle all of that was new.
Speaker 2: To Me.
Speaker 4: Uh, AND yeah i WAS just i was just open.
Speaker 4: To It and i've loved every bit. Of it i've learned.
Speaker 4: So much i'm so grateful to all of my colleagues for.
Speaker 4: The mentorship i'm GRATEFUL that i have full FREE and
Speaker 4: i get to get outside and do this for. A living, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah seven, years later you're just a stone cold Killer,
Speaker 2: in yeah.
Speaker 3: FOR sure i think that's one of our most viewed
Speaker 3: look clips. On YouTube is you shooting the Hog?
Speaker 4: In? Texas yeah, oh, GOSH oh i get all.
Speaker 3: Over again and this Is also i'll, say too that's
Speaker 3: a Credit to Steve finding Kreng because steve actively looks
Speaker 3: was looking for people and still does look for people
Speaker 3: that are outside the kind of usual, hunting bubble like
Speaker 3: who are people that are just killers at. Their jobs
Speaker 3: who who are outside of this. Whole industry so. Good,
Speaker 3: point yeah let's. See here, Devin, asks Hey Is dan
Speaker 3: flores Is The american west an extension of the mediater
Speaker 3: podcasters or is it going to be an upcoming? Book
Speaker 3: release looks? Really, good uh, FIRST question i would say
Speaker 3: it's it's neither an extension of the podcast or an upcoming.
Speaker 3: Book release it's going to be on its. Own feed
Speaker 3: so if you haven't checked, it out the trailer is.
Speaker 3: Up now Historian Author, dan Flores Who tot Steves Do
Speaker 3: tot randall At the University, of montana has a brand.
Speaker 3: New podcast it's all About The, american west but not
Speaker 3: sort Of like Cowboys And. Monument valley it's it's, going,
Speaker 3: deep deep further into into. Deep, time first first people's
Speaker 3: history of the, land itself the animals that have been
Speaker 3: there and will be there and. Are there it's gonna.
Speaker 3: Be great we've we've recorded a bunch, of episodes getting
Speaker 3: cracking on them now in the first episode Launches, on
Speaker 3: tuesday the Sixth Of.
Speaker 4: Main tuesday so everybody. Please, subscribe yeah.
Speaker 3: Big thing it's on its. Own feed it's on its.
Speaker 3: Own feed so you're going to have to do some
Speaker 3: very minor googling or clicking of links in. Podcast descriptions
Speaker 3: we Should just. I'll link i'll make a link in
Speaker 3: the description of. This, show yeah media to radio a,
Speaker 3: lot today a link to The New Dan Floores American.
Speaker 4: West feed and there will also be accompanying video episodes
Speaker 4: on right here on.
Speaker 3: The, YouTube, Yeah, Yeah yeah we've got some visuals that
Speaker 3: go along with with the, Show too so check it
Speaker 3: out on YouTube. As well and it's not going to
Speaker 3: be an upcoming, book RELEASE but i will direct You
Speaker 3: To dan floores's whole bibliography that that's not the. Right,
Speaker 3: way yeah especially his his, last book which Was. Wh,
Speaker 3: catalog yeah. It's catalog check. It out very super super,
Speaker 3: nice guy. Incredibly smart it's gonna be a. Good show
Speaker 3: samantha asks Or, says phil don't skip everyone's questions. For
Speaker 3: you mogor asked question for. The team when you're in
Speaker 3: an area with the game species that requires a lot,
Speaker 3: of glassing what do you use? Against mosquitoes the big.
Speaker 3: Mosquito question you guys have any go To, Tips man,
Speaker 3: Go ahead Cory.
Speaker 5: A man last couple springs have been, pretty brutal bear
Speaker 5: glass and glass and for bears and trying to swap
Speaker 5: mosquitos at the. Same time i'm usually prepping my clothes
Speaker 5: with some permethron, for tics but it also works well.
Speaker 5: For mosquitoes it kind of works. For mosquitos they still will.
Speaker 5: GET you i don't have a, great tip just keep
Speaker 5: swatting them or. MOVE around, i mean.
Speaker 2: Like in, the fall it's just like in this part of,
Speaker 2: the country it's just not. A PROBLEM but i have Hunted,
Speaker 2: in alaska like tail end of summer, early fall where
Speaker 2: mosquitos and these little things called white sox teeny little
Speaker 2: biting flies and and really like a headnet and gloves
Speaker 2: is like like you can put all the deet on
Speaker 2: in the world in that situation and they're they're still
Speaker 2: going to get. To you, BUT yeah, I mean i
Speaker 2: know it's not practical for glassing to have a, headnet
Speaker 2: ON but i mean other than permethne and deep there's
Speaker 2: not a whole lot you.
Speaker 5: Can, do yeah wear clothes down, works well even if it's.
Speaker 2: Hot out you can wear, is uh as long as
Speaker 2: you're like glass and far off and it's not going
Speaker 2: to disturb, The critters like build a fire.
Speaker 5: There you go smoke. Him out woke.
Speaker 2: Him, out yeah that's a, good point hope for. A.
Speaker 3: Breeze cool. Good, QUESTION well I guess, i will just
Speaker 3: because so many people are Asking if, i'm going uh
Speaker 3: turkey hunting at all this. This year nick says we'll
Speaker 3: fill tea engineer be hunting turkeys. This season he's. PRETTY serious,
Speaker 3: I have. I have i have no plans CURRENTLY because
Speaker 3: i always feel weird asking people to to take to take.
Speaker 3: Me hunting but do you KNOW what i would love,
Speaker 3: To do and because he's not in, THE room i
Speaker 3: don't feel weird. About it and because he's also never
Speaker 3: shot a turkey yet as FAR as, I know i'd
Speaker 3: love to go Out with randall because because we are
Speaker 3: we are both. Turkey virgins there's a video, right, there
Speaker 3: boy go follow you. Two Around, so randall if, you're
Speaker 3: listening this is my weird passive way of asking you
Speaker 3: to take take me out.
Speaker 6: Better.
Speaker 5: LISTENING cool i thought.
Speaker 3: That was a pretty, good. Show, guys yeah.
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Speaker 5: yeah and, uh yeah we did not go find some.
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Speaker 2: Was fun, so yeah that's it for, today's. Show folks
Speaker 2: good luck to everyone that's headed out turkey hunting or
Speaker 2: bear hunting, this weekend and we'll see you.
Speaker 3: Next.
Speaker 2: Week, audios thanks