1 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: A guy now known based on DNAHV raped eleven victims, 2 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: binding them and raping them over and over and over. 3 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: Now is confessing to not one, two, but three murders. 4 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 1: Is it Real crime Stories? With Nancy Grace to land 5 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: Floy And he told me to undress. That's why I 6 00:00:46,640 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: knew he was gonna rape me. And yes, everything they do, 7 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 1: I want to try to save her. By the way, 8 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: sometimes coach my live and I feel so worried, scary 9 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: because I was thinking that he's going to Raby. I 10 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 1: heard open and that's when I knew my father was coming. 11 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 1: I can get to a fifteen. I heard musses. How 12 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: awful hearing our friends at Cold Justice Sex Crimes. A 13 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: long haul driver suspected as a Cereal rapist now confesses 14 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: he's not a serial rapist. He is a serial killer. 15 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at Fox thirteen. Adam 16 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: Herbert's police have been looking for a man that they 17 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: called the clear Field Rapist, the man that they say 18 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: assaulted about ten victims ranging in the age from eleven 19 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 1: years old to fifty two years old. Today, police say 20 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: they have their guy, a man that neighbors describe as 21 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: a model citizen. His name sits on the mailbox in 22 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: plain sight, right in front of his run of the 23 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: mill house in suburban Ogden. And I saw Mark being 24 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: taken out in handcuffs. I said, that can't be Mark Burns, 25 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 1: a sixty nine year old man accused of terrible attacks 26 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: on at least ten victims. At this point in time, 27 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: we're not sure how many victims. If additional victims do 28 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: come forward with this case, that wouldn't surprise us. For years, 29 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: police have been looking for a suspect called the Clearfield Rapist, 30 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: someone who terrified women in the area between nineteen ninety 31 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: one to two thousand and one. I would have been 32 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: starting law school in Alabama back in nineteen ninety one. 33 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: First time I became aware of his name was this year. 34 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 1: The details of each case are gruesome. I mean, see 35 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: Grace Is Crime Stories is a long haul truck driver, 36 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: not a serial rapist, but a serial killer as well. 37 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel. Ashley Wilcot judge, trial lawyer, 38 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: anchor Court TV at Ashley Wilcot dot com. John Wagner, 39 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: chief of police at Warter Robbins, Georgia. Doctor Michelle Duprey, 40 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: South Carolina Medical examiner, author of Homicide Investigation field Guide, 41 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall, psycho analyst, joining us out of la 42 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com, a genetic genealogist, the 43 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: so called Jean Hunter Cheryl la Point. But right now 44 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: to Levipage Crime online dot com investigative reporter Levi Page, 45 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: who is this guy? A long haul truck driver who 46 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: we know has murdered eleven women, now claiming he's a 47 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: serial killer as well. Yes, Nancy, it's Mark Burns, a 48 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: sixty nine year old long haul truck driver, and Nancy, 49 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: he was arrested for a series of rapes that happened 50 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: during a ten year time span in Wyoming and Utah 51 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: from nineteen ninety one to two thousand and one. And 52 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: the age range of his victims, Nancy, this is scary. 53 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: The youngest eleven years old, the oldest fifty two years old. 54 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: So he's raped children and some of the stories that 55 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: have been released about what this man has done is horrifying. 56 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: In the year two thousand, a woman called law enforcement. 57 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: She said that she was asleep and she was awakened 58 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: by a stranger that had a knife to her throat 59 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: and he was threatening to kill her. He blindfolded her, 60 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: tied her up, and raped her. And then in two 61 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: thousand and one, another woman said that she and her 62 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: nineteen year old daughter were raped during a home invasion. 63 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: That he came into their home and he even made 64 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: the male members of the family watch. And that's what's 65 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: so scary. Nancy is the woman, the victim. She says 66 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: that she told him, hey, there are men in this 67 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: home trying to scare him off, and all that did 68 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: was sort of emboldened him. He went to their bedrooms, 69 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: got them, tied them up, and forced them to watch 70 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 1: the rape of this woman and her nineteen year old daughter. 71 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 1: And then this woman's son, who was a young adult. 72 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: He was working, He came home from work, interrupted the rape, 73 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 1: and the guy met him at the door with a 74 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: gun and then forced him to watch as well. And 75 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: all of the victims say that this man smelled of alcohol. 76 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 1: They even gave a sketch to police. That years went by, Nancy, decades, 77 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: and he evaded law enforcement until DNA familial DNA eventually 78 00:05:54,680 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: called him to you recognized he will molesting my mind, 79 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:07,559 Speaker 1: pouching her and my sister giving him at that moment 80 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: I had a guy in my face, the guyn will 81 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: she might be my forehead, and he told me to 82 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 1: close my eyes. Did you see his face? Saw him? 83 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: Literally it was sick like that. He tied me out 84 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 1: with time. Did he blind folds you too, Yeah, that 85 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: was the first thing he did. He seems really cold, 86 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: he knew even know what it was. Kind of that's 87 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: probably what he was not. He got his clothes on, 88 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: he handed my clothes to me, and then he gave 89 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: me a kiss and then us whoa, He kisses her 90 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: and leaves like they had a date. You're hearing our 91 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: friends that cole Justice sex crobs. What about it, Doctor 92 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, They don't wish some types of rapists who 93 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: imagine that the rape is consensual. They imagine that the 94 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: victim wants it. But I don't speak he falls into 95 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: this category. I think he would be more what we 96 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: call a sadistic rapist and an anger rapist. There are 97 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,679 Speaker 1: two different typologies, but one the sadistic rapist gets pleasure 98 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: out of seeing the look of fear on the victim's face, 99 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: and the anger rapist is taking out anger against all women. 100 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: But Nancy, you know who this reminds me of a 101 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: is the BTK killer. Remember, he targeted entire families. It 102 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: wasn't just the one intended victim, and he took pleasure 103 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: in seeing an entire family suffer. And I think this 104 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: guy is also an exhibitionist. He wants people to see 105 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: him engage in the act of rape. And he also 106 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: has likes the idea that he has power over all 107 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: the men in the household. So I think the goodbye 108 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: kiss is almost like he had his version of a date, 109 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: like the most thrilling, satisfying encounter he could have according 110 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: to his twisted personality. Joining me Asky Wilcott judge, trial lawyer, 111 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: anchor Court TV at Asky Wilcott dot com. What do 112 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: you make of his Emma Ashley, how would you describe it? 113 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: First of all, let me just say black the thought 114 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: that he thought it was this gate And I believe 115 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: doctor and Marshall I have so much respect for and 116 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: I believe that's probably true. But I just almost get 117 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:14,119 Speaker 1: stomach it all right, his m o I do. Here's 118 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: the thing we know about theereal. Any type of criminal, 119 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: whether it's rapes, aggravated assaults, murders, they tend to have 120 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: an m O, thankfully, because Nancy, as you well know, 121 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: that's how they're often identified, how they're caught, and how 122 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: you can prove that they've committed all of these different crimes. 123 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: Often so the MO is consistent, and that is typical 124 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: when it is one person doing the same thing over 125 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 1: and over. And so all of those characteristics that doctor 126 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: Marshall just described and said he was doing this and 127 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: the way he was doing it caused him to have 128 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: one motus upper end I, one way of operating, one 129 00:08:51,600 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: way of doing crime stories with Nancy Grace, all of 130 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: those cases shared similar modus operamies, such as the victims 131 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: being bound, repeated sexual assaults over an extended period of time, 132 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: the smell of an alcoholic beverage, victims living in apartment communities, suspects, 133 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: the suspect utilizing sliding glass doors, the use of a 134 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: firearm or a knife, and other personal characteristics and crime 135 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: scene evidence that we will not be releasing at this time. 136 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: It's believed that the suspect has committed additional crimes in 137 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,839 Speaker 1: the Western United States, and we'll talk about that here 138 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: in just a moment. The clear Pool Police Department and 139 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: detect us from these other agencies continue to fall upon 140 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: additional leads. We also were informed of a genetic general 141 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: elogists by the name of doctor Barbara ray Venter, and 142 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: we made contact with doctor ray Venter and spoke with 143 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: her about potentially using familiar DNA or DNA to create 144 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: family trees and relationship to the suspects. Are hearing our 145 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: friends at Clearfield PD. That's a press conference on Mark Burne. 146 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: That was Chief Kelly Bennett speaking now a serial rapist, 147 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: A known serial rapist claims, Hey, I'm not just a 148 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: serial rapist, I'm a serial killer too. Why why would 149 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 1: you blurt that out? We were talking about a unique 150 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: MO typically attacking at apartment complexes through sliding glass doors 151 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 1: as entry, using a weapon be it a knife or 152 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: a gun. Repeated sex attacks over a period of time, 153 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: like sex attacking one or more victims in one apartment 154 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: over hours and hours, always smelling like alcohol. Before the 155 00:10:55,880 --> 00:11:00,080 Speaker 1: advent of DNA deoxi ribonucleic acid, we prosecutors had to 156 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: rely on MO modus operendi method of operation to connect 157 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: multiple rapes together. I recall one case I had. The 158 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: red rapist would always wear red clothing and would leave 159 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: his victim a red rose after the rape. Always attacked 160 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: in the summertime, always came in through an open window, 161 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: and attacked in a specific region of town, very often 162 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: making his victims then read the Bible after the attack. 163 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: But now we have genealogy joining me right now, a 164 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: renowned genetic genealogist, the gene hunter, Cheryl LaPoint. How does 165 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: it work, Shara Nancy? When we have DNA that we 166 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: can put in these databases to find shared ancestors. As 167 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: a genealogist, we can build family trees and we can 168 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: work with law enforcement to find leads to help them 169 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: find an area or a person who possibly could be 170 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: a suspect. It works exactly the same way we do 171 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: when we search for adopt the biological family. And this 172 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: process is proving to be very successful in solving criminal 173 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 1: cases and putting these perpetrators behind board. Sometimes the particular 174 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: defendant may not have his or her DNA in CODUS, 175 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: that is the National DNA Data Bank. You can get 176 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: DNA for a lot of different reasons, like if you're 177 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: a civil servant, if you work with the government. A 178 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: lot of times DNA or fingerprints are put into a 179 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 1: data bank. But Luckily, we have what is called familial 180 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: DNA Listen. For the past two years, we've been in 181 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 1: contact with doctor rave Venter. We followed up on multiple 182 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 1: leads and exhausted those leads as much as possible, and 183 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,959 Speaker 1: continued to work with her in order to build family 184 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: trees that would link this individual to other family members 185 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: that were in the DNA and the genealogical databases. Most recently, 186 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: working with doctor ray Venter, we were notified of a 187 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: potential close family member. Subsequently, as mentioned in the information 188 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: of the warrant, we located an individual that was potentially 189 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: the half brother of our suspect. We interviewed that individual 190 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: and obtained a DNA swap from that individual and confirmed 191 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: that in fact, he was the half brother of our suspect. 192 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: Through additional investigation and that interview, we were able to 193 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: identify Mark Douglas Firms from Ogden, Utah. So, in a 194 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: nutshell Cheryl appoint, the Jane Hunter had its familial DNA work. 195 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:05,199 Speaker 1: Familial d is searching the DNA that is found in 196 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: a crime scene is run through the offender data bank 197 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: and what they're looking for. Since they don't have an 198 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: exact match, they're looking for a genetically similar match that 199 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: may be a sibling, a child, or a parent that 200 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: would lead them to the perpetrator. You know, we are 201 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: getting this through familial DNA. How many women have been 202 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: raped by this one person? A long haul truck driver 203 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: charged with raping at least eleven women? How many more 204 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: are there? But he's not happy with that. He wants 205 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: to brag and claim that he's actually a serial killer? 206 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: Is that true to Chief John Wagner joining me, Chief 207 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: of Police one of Robins, Georgia. Why is it that 208 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: purchase behind bars have to brag? Well, now he's caught, 209 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: let's go ahead and our fame publicity out there while 210 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: we can. He had been performing the perfect crime for years, 211 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: he had gotten better at it, and now that he's caught, 212 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: let's go ahead and make a name for myself because 213 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: I'm never going to get out. You know, I don't 214 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: understand it. The desire to brag. Oh, it's amazing to me. 215 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: They can brag off a want, But what they're saying 216 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: has to jive with has to match up to forensic 217 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: evidence in an actual homicide. But now, take a listen 218 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: to our friends at Katsu Fox thirteen Adam herman. Since 219 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: his incarceration, sources across the United States tell Fox thirteen 220 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: they've linked more cases to Mark Burns, and not just 221 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: rape cases. They say he is now confessed to at 222 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: least three murders. One of those cases was the two 223 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: thousand and one killing of a twenty eight year old 224 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: woman named Sue Ellen Gunderson Higgins in Evanston, Wyoming. Her 225 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: husband was arrested in New Mexico, but charges were eventually 226 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: dropped as they realized he was wrongfully accused. He's going 227 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: to look into hiring private counsel. Burns defense attorney has 228 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: not responded to Fox thirteen's request for comment. She was 229 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: supposed to show up to a hearing on Monday to 230 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:19,239 Speaker 1: defend Burns, but asked the reschedule due to a medical emergency. 231 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: To be honest, I think we're still trying to process 232 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: the whole thing. When we reached out to the Davis 233 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: County District attorney, he said he could not release any 234 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: additional information about this case. So far, Mark Douglas Burns 235 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: has not been charged with murder or any additional rape 236 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: charges since his arrest. Levipage Crime online dot Com investigative 237 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: reporter what can you tell me about the murder of 238 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: Sue Ellen Gunderson Higgins. She was twenty eight years old, 239 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: she was a mother of one, and in two thousand 240 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: and one, she was gunned down in the driveway of 241 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: her family's home in Evanston, Wyoming, and police initially arrested 242 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: her husband, her widower, and then he was released when 243 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: they didn't have enough evidence to move forward with charges. 244 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 1: And if Burns actually killed this woman, can you imagine 245 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: the pain that that man went through being falsely accused 246 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: and arrested for killing his wife when he didn't do it. 247 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: That makes it even more disgusting. Nancy. Well, wait a minute, 248 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: Wait a minute. I mean, I feel bad about the 249 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: husband that was falsely charged. Those charges have been dropped. 250 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 1: But what about Sue Ellen Dunnison Higgins. What about her? 251 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: Just twenty eight years old, married mom of one in 252 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: her own family's driveway there in Evanston, Wyoming, gunned down. 253 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: What leads us to believe that this guy, Mark Burns 254 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: could have killed her? Apparently, Nancy, he has confessed to 255 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 1: it behind bars, and that's not it. According to Fox 256 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: thirteen in Salt Lake City, Utah, they're reporting that he's 257 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: confessed to two other murder cases as well. We're not 258 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: getting the specifics on those cases. But if it's true, 259 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: that could make him a serial killer. And Nancy, what 260 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 1: about it? To ask you, Willcot do you buy the confession? 261 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not part of a righte she was 262 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: gunning down in the driveway. You know. I really don't, 263 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 1: and I can't give you a good clear reason other 264 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: than my instinct. I just think that I agree that 265 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: he is looking for attention, that he's trying to make 266 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: a bigger splash. It's not amo, So I'm hesbants to 267 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: buy it. What about it? To doctor Bethany Marshall, what 268 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: do you think? I agree? I don't think this was 269 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: his victim. This is not his moo. He loves to 270 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: rape and kill in front of entire families after drinking heavily. 271 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: He has a certain pattern. This is simply not his pattern. 272 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: Now we know what is a pattern. He loves to brag, 273 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: he loves to insert himself into the notoriety of other cases, 274 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: and he has nothing but his memories to fall back 275 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,360 Speaker 1: on at this point, Nancy, so we know that these 276 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: serial killers who can no longer kill, they can't actually 277 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: perform the actual crime. They start to relive again and again. 278 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: They bragg they talk about it. They it becomes a 279 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: part of almost like a masturbatory life as well, So 280 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: it becomes very enlivened in their memory. And I would 281 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: chalk it up to that, Okay, to leave our pages. 282 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: Is there anything actually connecting him to any of the 283 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: murders that we know of? Nothing other than a confession, 284 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 1: Nothing other than a confession. Crime stories with Nancy Grace again, 285 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: I ate on one say them they done in wass 286 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: in my home. I was nineteen years old. I was 287 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: already sleeping, and I heard my mom's voice saying, in 288 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: a little sun and wake up. There is someone in 289 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: the house who's assaulting us. He said, turned around the 290 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 1: look at me. So I just looked down. And they 291 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: went to my brother's room. But in my brother's room 292 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 1: there was my uncle's sleeping and we're not I see 293 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: the guy. He told us to go in and tied 294 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 1: my parents' room and I saw my dad tied up. 295 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: You were hearing our friends at Cold Justice Sex Crimes, 296 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: a guy now known based on DNAHV raped eleven victims, 297 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: binding them and raping them over and over and over. 298 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: Now it's confessing to not one, two, but three murders. 299 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: Is it real? We don't know the specifics of those confessions. 300 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: They don't sound like his MO. But criminals can switch 301 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: ms very often. Criminals are ruled out because the EMO changes. 302 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: That is not necessarily true. But to doctor Michelle Dupre, 303 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: South Carolina Medical examine or author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide, 304 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: if what he is saying matches up to forensic evidence 305 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: from the body, maybe he is telling the truth. What 306 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: kind of evidence would you look at on these three 307 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: murder victims bodies to determine if his story is accurate? Nancy, 308 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: We would look for a lot of things. Look for 309 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 1: the totality of circumstances at the crime thing. What was 310 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: he able to tell us about the general appearance. We 311 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: would certainly look for evidence on the victim, hair, fibers, DNA, 312 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: even fingerprints can be found on victims on skin. We 313 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: would look for anything like that. We would make sure 314 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: that what he said actually it's what we saw in 315 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: relation to the crime scene and to the evidence that 316 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: we would take from the body, and not only that 317 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: actually willcot For instance, if he said I shot her 318 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: in the driveway of her home, she fell that I 319 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: walked up and I shot her three more times, point 320 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: blank in the head. Okay, what if he said that, 321 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 1: and if those facts were not known, had not been publicized, 322 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: that would generally corroborate his story forensically. That's right, and 323 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: that's what I didn't mean to interrupt you, but that's 324 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: exactly what I was going to say. In the NC 325 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: is when you have those kinds of details, and that's 326 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: why police often don't give all of the details for investigations, 327 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: because you don't want everybody to have access to it, 328 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: so that if and when someone does confess, you can 329 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: compare the details give to the actual forensics from the 330 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: crime league. The details make the difference for a confession 331 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: an evil serial rapist now confessing to not one, but 332 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: three murders to leave my page, crimballine dot Com investigative reporter. 333 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: Is there anything and this guy Martin Burns's history to 334 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: indicate he could also be a killer? What do we 335 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 1: know about his criminal past? Nancy? He was a previous 336 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 1: resident of the state of North Carolina, and in nineteen 337 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: seventy five he was convicted of rape and then in 338 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine, after he was released, he was arrested 339 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: on a misdemeanor charge of voyeurism where apparently he was 340 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: a peeping tomue. Okay, wait a minute, run that by 341 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: me again. Okay, so the previous resident of the state 342 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: of North Carolina, and in nineteen seventy five he was 343 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: convicted of raping a woman. He was released in nineteen 344 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: eighty nine and was arrested on a misdemeanor charge of voyeurism, 345 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: apparently that stemmed from when he was a peeping tom. 346 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 1: M I've got bad stories about peeping tom's. I know 347 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: it sounds somewhat harmless compared to other crimes, but in 348 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: every peeping tom case I've ever handled, those guys go 349 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 1: on to do much more violent crimes. You know, I'm 350 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: curious to John Wagner, Chief of Police Warner Robins, Georgia's chief. Wagner, 351 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: do you believe this guy could be responsible for three 352 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: murders or is he just enjoying the notoriety? And how 353 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: can you tell? Definitely odd that he's speaking about murder. 354 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 1: You know, the rate demo certainly fits him, and even 355 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: from the peeping tom I mean, he's he's built up 356 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: to his perfect crimes and has perfected it to go 357 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: out and shoot somebody. Now, how you've you put yourself 358 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: out in the public. There's so much of a chance 359 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: to get caught. You know. That just doesn't really fit um, 360 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: fit his m O. You know. But but the police 361 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 1: don't put out all the information when we speak to 362 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: the media. There's there's things that we keep back that 363 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: only the criminal would know. And if he didn't know 364 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: these things when they went ahead and interviewed him with 365 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: the departments that had these murder cases, you know, perhaps 366 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: there was some information that that only he knew. But um, 367 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: but just just his uh speaking back and forth and 368 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: saying that he did this. You know, I'm not really 369 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: behind it. So why do they do it, doctor Bethany Marshall? 370 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: Why why brag behind ours? Well, let me talk about 371 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: the peeping tom if you don't mind. There are five 372 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: perversions in the DSM. Voyeurism, the peeping tom, exhibitionism, doing 373 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: something in front of other people like raping in front 374 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: of other people, frauderism which is up against an unsuspecting 375 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: person in public, sadism, and pedophilia. So usually when somebody 376 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: has one perversion, they have multiple perversions. And I would 377 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: say back to the breaking thing that could be a 378 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: part of the exhibitionism. Just like he rapes in front 379 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: of other people. Now he's bragging to anyone and everyone 380 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: who can hear. Look, this is what I did. This 381 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 1: is how I did it, trying to paint a picture 382 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: in their mind. Because as I said before, and I 383 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: was not just a throwaway line that this is a 384 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: part of his masturbatory fantasy, meaning that this is what 385 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 1: he does to gain arousal. It's not just to break, 386 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,479 Speaker 1: it's not just to like get these board behind bars, 387 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 1: but this is one of his perversions, is to show 388 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: off the crime in front of other people. Also, he 389 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 1: peeped through people's windows because he was preparing to strike, 390 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: you know, so he has to see what the house 391 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: looks like, and you know where points of entry are 392 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: and all of that too. Leave my page. How strong 393 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: is a DNA evidence he gets burned in the rape cases, Nancy, 394 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: It's very strong. I mean, there's no way out of 395 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: the DNA match. And you know, to cheryla point the 396 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: gene high genetic genealogist Shara, I have had cases where 397 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: DNA likelihood is one in a trillion likelihood that this 398 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: is not the purp one in a trillion? How does 399 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: that happen? Shara Nancy. When this DNA evidence is found, 400 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: they look for the difference from one person to another 401 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: and it can come down to very specific, specific DNA 402 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: And if these cases prove that this DNA links these 403 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: eleven cases, they have the right man they like. The 404 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: detective said they would not have made an arrest if 405 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: they weren't certain that they had the right name. Crime 406 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace Troy Rawlings is what the Davis 407 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 1: County District Attorney's office. The prosecutor believes his team has 408 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: a strong enough case to make these charges stick, and 409 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: time will tell if our office can meet our burden 410 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 1: approving beyond a reasonable doubt. The elements of each offense 411 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,719 Speaker 1: linked to cases in Wyoming, Ogden Leighton in Clearfield, Burns 412 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: has been on law enforcement radar for years. They always 413 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: had DNA evidence from the crime scenes, but never a 414 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: name to match it to until recently, as a result 415 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: of technological advances. You can't match up a DNA profile 416 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: from a crime scene to a person if you don't 417 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: have that person's profile in any database at all, And 418 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: so for years, a matter of fact, we didn't even 419 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: know Mark Burns's name in our office until twenty nineteen. 420 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: A press release, Clearfield Police called the sexual assaults incomprehensible, 421 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: brutal and methodical attacks on females, going on to say 422 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: Burns forced the victims family members to watch the violent 423 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: and repeated attacks, and Clearfield PD believes there are more 424 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: victims in their city if somebody does come forward and 425 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: they make credible allegations that can be investigated, vetted, and 426 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: we can make a determination. Of course, we're interested in that. 427 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: Law enforcement is always interested in that. Our friends at 428 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: ABC four News, that is reporter Brittany Johnson reporting. But 429 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: now this serial rapist confesses to murder. That's right, a 430 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: suspect in Clearfield serial rape coal cases now confessing to 431 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: not one, but multiple murders, numerous murders. This guy had 432 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: the Moniker clear Field rapist, although he raped in multiple 433 00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: jurisdictions Rock Springs, Yming, We're vital City, Utah, ogged In Utah, 434 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: clear Field, Utah, Laramie, Wyoming, Latent, Utah, and more, sometimes 435 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: forcing family members of the victims to watch the rapes. 436 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: But since he's behind bars thanks to DNA, we now 437 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: know he is not only linked to more cases, but 438 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: is confessing to at least three murders and an unknown 439 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: amount of additional rapes. Curious, we know that he would 440 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: come in armed with a knife or a gun. Can 441 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: bullets in these murders be connected to one gun? And 442 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: is it the same gun? We know Burns was a 443 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: long distance strucker. Do you suspect out to doctor Bethany 444 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: Marshall that there will be more rape victims than possibly 445 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: murders across the country connected to him. Not only do 446 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: I think there will be more rape victims and possibly 447 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: murder victims, but sometimes people choose a profession that allows 448 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: them to act out their compulsion. So if he has 449 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: a compulsion to rape and kill, wouldn't it be a 450 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: perfect profession to be a long haul truck driver. There's 451 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: a lot of anonymity going by different routes. Part of 452 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: the compulsion to kill is taking a great deal of 453 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: time to select appropriate victims. So he has all that 454 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: time to think, to look, and to you know, select 455 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: a certain victim type or a victim in neighborhood. He 456 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: probably drives through neighborhoods where he can see what kind 457 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: of construction there is. If they're sliding glass stores. What 458 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: kind of you know, economic level of families are in, 459 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: if they're protected, if they're vulnerable. So I think his 460 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: profession goes hand in hand with a lot of victims. 461 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: But do you leave my page Crime online dot Com 462 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: investigative reporter. What can he expect if he goes to 463 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: I mean, granted, he'll be convicted, I believe knock on 464 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: wood with DNA, But what about the sentences for all 465 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: of these rapes. Well, Nancy's charged with eight counts of 466 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: aggravated sexual assault, six counts of aggravated kidnapping, two counts 467 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: of aggravated burglary, in one count of aggravated robbery. And 468 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: in the state of Utah, Nancy when it comes to 469 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: sexual assault, and if the perpetrator has a previous sexual 470 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: offense on their record, they can be sentenced to life 471 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: in prison without parole. And remember he was convicted of 472 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: rape in North Carolina, so that applies to Mark Burns 473 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: in these cases in Utah. So he's looking at life 474 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: without the possibility of parole. I'm very curious as to 475 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: whether he actually committed the murders. He is now confessing to. 476 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: One name that has come up is twenty eight year 477 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: old Sue Ellen Gunderson Higgins Evanston, Wyomi. It's definitely the 478 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: right jurisdiction because he has committed rapes in that area 479 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: including Rock Springs, u Laramie, many in Utah as well. 480 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 1: That would work. The MO is a little different though, 481 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: gunning her down in the driveway. M very very curious. 482 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: I'm really interested in the whole m O change. Chief 483 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: of Police Want Robins, Georgia, John Wagner. Chief Wagner. Often 484 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: we discount criminals because it's a different m O. But 485 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 1: criminals have been known to change m O. You're correct, 486 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: they do. They can change EMO as they progress more 487 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: in their career criminality. But in this case, um, you know, 488 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: it does deviate from what he has done. Um, you 489 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: know with the new rapes. But in this case, could 490 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: have been that now he has he's been caught, or 491 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: this woman recognizes him, maybe at some point in time 492 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: they had recognized each other. Does she now see his 493 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: tag number? Does she know what truck he's driving? Um? 494 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: It's been known that he brings a gun to a 495 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: to the rapes, so you know he had every every 496 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: means to kill this woman. UM. So it's not outside 497 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: of what could have been done, but it's certainly outside 498 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:36,359 Speaker 1: of his EMO of um committing rapes. Yeah, you're absolutely right, Um. 499 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 1: Just because he's changing EMO does not mean it precludes 500 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: him from being the purp. Take a listen to our 501 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: friend Adam Herbert's Fox thirteen. To be honest, I think 502 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: we're still trying to process the whole thing. We couldn't 503 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: have asked for a better neighbor. Mark Burns is a 504 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,840 Speaker 1: truck driver who moved to Utah after getting out of prison. 505 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: He was convicted of sexual assault in North Carolina in 506 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:03,320 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four. Do a model citizen sense who knows 507 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 1: his next door neighbors didn't know? They loved him. They 508 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:07,800 Speaker 1: even had a key to his house to help with 509 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: chores when he was out of town. They described the 510 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: inside as spotless. We like to think that maybe he 511 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 1: wasn't living a double wife. We'd like to think that, 512 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 1: but whether that's true or not, we don't know right now. 513 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: Burns is facing seventeen charges and could face a maximum 514 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 1: sentence of fifteen years to life. We wait as justice unfolds. 515 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,919 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crimes Stories, signing off Goodbye friend,