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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bloomberg Surveillance Podcast. I'm Tom Keane. Daily

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg dot Com, and of course, on the Bloomberg. Rudy

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Speaker 1: Giuliani is a hundred seventh mayor of New York out

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Speaker 1: of Brooklyn by way of Garden City South. He is

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Speaker 1: widely credited with law in order at a different time

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Speaker 1: and place for a more fractious New York City. He's

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Speaker 1: gone on to some success. He's going on to a

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Speaker 1: lot of debate as well. We greet him here at

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Speaker 1: seventies six years old and well preserved. Rudy Giuliani, I

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Speaker 1: gotta get right to it. On Fox the other night.

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Speaker 1: You make national headlines with a lot of coughing as well.

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Speaker 1: How are you and have you had a test recently? Well,

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Speaker 1: let me start with the good news. Year. I had

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Speaker 1: a test recently the day of actually the day of

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Speaker 1: that time that I was coughing. I coughed twice actually,

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Speaker 1: and I was clearing my throat. I had a test

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Speaker 1: maybe two hours earlier. It came back yesterday and I'm negative.

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Speaker 1: That's the second one I've had since I was with

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Speaker 1: the group in the White House that unfortunately most of

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Speaker 1: them came down with it. I feel very bad for them.

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Speaker 1: I almost feel a little guilty, I guess, but uh

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Speaker 1: I was one of the few, along with Jared and

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Speaker 1: Ivanka that didn't. But so far I don't. And I'll

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Speaker 1: go back and get tested again on Friday, and then

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Speaker 1: I'll be out of the woodside. I mean, you've got

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Speaker 1: to be very positive about it. Also, I'm not. I'm

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Speaker 1: not that nervous about it. I know that if it

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Speaker 1: does happen, I know exactly what to take. My doctor

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Speaker 1: has already prescribed hydroxy chloroquin, which I'm taking every day

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Speaker 1: now for five days as a profilactor. He's a doctor

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Speaker 1: prescribed that to you. You told the doctor you're gonna

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Speaker 1: take this controversial. Oh no, the doctor has treated. The

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Speaker 1: doctor has treated to thousand, five hundred patients who had

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Speaker 1: this illness, believe it or not, a kind as a genius.

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Speaker 1: He invented as a LINKO protocol, and he's lost only

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Speaker 1: two patients. Roody, you are the personal confidant to the President.

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Speaker 1: He's tweeted twice this morning. He is in recovery. He

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Speaker 1: wants to get back to the Oval office and work.

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Speaker 1: Have you spoken to him in the last twenty four

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Speaker 1: hours and what are you going to advise him to

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Speaker 1: get this campaign back on the rails. Well, I mean

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Speaker 1: what he's doing, which is he's got his sorry gets

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Speaker 1: out all over the country, making speeches, making talks. He

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Speaker 1: is uh, he's communicating from the White House, communicating what

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Speaker 1: he has to be from the White House, and as

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Speaker 1: soon as he can, he'll he'll be back out on

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Speaker 1: on the road himself. But he's got something like five

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Speaker 1: hundred sorry gets in all different parts of the country,

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Speaker 1: particularly in the key battleground states, who are speaking for him.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go to interrupted. Look, Mike Pence has

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Speaker 1: the most important vice presidential debate tonight. You and Mike

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Speaker 1: Pence have the president's ear. What are you telling him

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Speaker 1: and what is Mike Pence gonna do tonight to get

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Speaker 1: the campaign on the track to get the marginal voter

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Speaker 1: that the president has clearly lost. He hasn't really lost it.

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Speaker 1: You're reading polls that that were the same polls he

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Speaker 1: was behind by. If I take you back four years,

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Speaker 1: we were three days after the Billy bush Uh revelations,

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Speaker 1: and he was being countered out at this point, and

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Speaker 1: he was about eighteen points behind, seventeen points behind. So

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Speaker 1: I mean, I I understand what's wrong with the polls.

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Speaker 1: They over sampled Democrats. Uh, there's anywhere anywhere near a

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Speaker 1: five to six point differential in favor of Trump. That's

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Speaker 1: not there because you don't measure enthusiasm. His enthusiasm level

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Speaker 1: is still three times Bidens the Biden voter, half of

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Speaker 1: them of voting, you know, just because the Democrats, the

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Speaker 1: other half of voting had a hatred for Trump. The

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Speaker 1: Trump voters voting for because they love him and because

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Speaker 1: they realize he's been one of the most consequential presidents ever.

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Speaker 1: And and they are very afraid of a socialist state

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Speaker 1: because they believe that Biden is impaired and not able

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Speaker 1: to really handle the Come on, Rudy forces Rudy John

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Speaker 1: Farrell wants to get in here. Do you see evidence

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Speaker 1: that the former vice president is impaired? Oh? Absolutely, what

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Speaker 1: don't you present? Not only that, I've had doctors look

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Speaker 1: at him, and I've done a podcast on it. Rudy

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Speaker 1: Giuliani's common Sense dot Com go look at it. The

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Speaker 1: two doctors will compare speeches. Joe Biden gave five years ago.

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Speaker 1: Which species he's giving now? He loses his train of

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Speaker 1: John Farrell? J No, you know, Oh, come on, I

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Speaker 1: lose my train of thought on an hourly basis, John,

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Speaker 1: I pledge allegiance. Pledge allegiance to the flag in the

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Speaker 1: Roll now, Joe Biden, I pledge allegiance to the United

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Speaker 1: States underguard John, John about he couldn't how about he

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Speaker 1: couldn't get those aren't listen? Listen, listen to me. Go

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Speaker 1: get the g Let's not even argue about it. Go

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Speaker 1: get ds M five. You know what that is? Ds

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Speaker 1: M five. You know it's the psychiatrist's handbook. Go look

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Speaker 1: at the ten symptoms of dimension. He's got eight of them.

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Speaker 1: One of them is was to train numbers three oh

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Speaker 1: he doesn't remember it. John doesn't know. He doesn't remember

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Speaker 1: it because he has dementia. It's a disease. It's as

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Speaker 1: he doesn't have it. Honestly, we're talking about something that

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Speaker 1: is peripheral. Honestly, the American people the chance he's disgraceful.

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Speaker 1: It's please please cutting me off in the middle. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: you are being you are being obstructive. I am talking

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Speaker 1: about facts. I'm talking about a psychiatric textbook. You don't

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Speaker 1: even know. You don't want the American people to hear

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Speaker 1: that the guy running for president has an illness. It

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Speaker 1: is clear, it's obvious. Go read D S M five,

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Speaker 1: look for the symptoms of dementia. He's got eight of them.

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Speaker 1: And don't tell me. That is the truth. I know

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Speaker 1: it's uncomfortable for you, but it's the truth. He's also

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Speaker 1: a big crook. What guy thing through? Rudy Rudio. Don't

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Speaker 1: talk to me in that game. Don't you do? Not

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Speaker 1: talk to me in that in that tone. Match you,

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Speaker 1: dani As if what I'm saying isn't worthy of consideration

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Speaker 1: to ask you a question. I'm just here to ask

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Speaker 1: you a question on the medical state of the former

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Speaker 1: Vice President Joe Biden. Let's focus. Let's focus on the

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Speaker 1: three point five million. Let's focus on the three point

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Speaker 1: five million from one of the close friends of Putin

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Speaker 1: in Russia that went to his son suffering from drug addiction.

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Speaker 1: Why would you pay three point Why did China pay

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Speaker 1: we talk about the things that you don't talk about

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Speaker 1: the things that you hide American people. We've agreed to

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Speaker 1: do an interview, yes, not a monologue. Do you want

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Speaker 1: to let me ask some questions? No? No, I've agreed

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Speaker 1: to come on so that I can tell the truth.

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Speaker 1: I didn't come on to be doing an interview. Mr

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Speaker 1: Pharaoh is going to ask you a question, because that's

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Speaker 1: a question of the former mayor of New York City.

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Speaker 1: But you can't stop me if you don't like what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, Rudy Well not just want to focus the

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Speaker 1: interview a little bit, madic Lani. You have directed scrip

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Speaker 1: preparation with the president for if you can answer to

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Speaker 1: talk about the debates Governor Christie? Now, why don't we

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Speaker 1: talk about Why don't we talk asident going talked about?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not. We can tell you let me finish the

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Speaker 1: answer finished. You haven't even let me complete the question.

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Speaker 1: Let me let's do that. Wait, the complete the question,

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Speaker 1: the fair one. I've been asking a question about the debates, sir,

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Speaker 1: so let's start there. I'm not interested in getting combative

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Speaker 1: with you. The debates which you had direct involvement in

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Speaker 1: to prepare the president for Governor Christy said the president

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Speaker 1: was too hots What did you learn from those debates?

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Speaker 1: I learned that the president has to do that when

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Speaker 1: he's debating the moderator and Joe Biden, and when for

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Speaker 1: for months the media has been covering up facts the

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Speaker 1: American people have to know about Joe Biden, about his

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Speaker 1: incredible history his and his families of taking money from

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Speaker 1: countries like Iraq, countries like Ukraine, countries like Russia, and

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Speaker 1: for the last four years. The American people don't know

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Speaker 1: that because those questions aren't asked, those things are suppressed.

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Speaker 1: The reason they don't know that Joe Biden is demented

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Speaker 1: is because you cut off those parts of his interviews

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Speaker 1: when he loses his train of thought, as he did

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Speaker 1: twice the other night. So that's my answer to the question.

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Speaker 1: Next question, We appreciate your time. Thank you very much

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Speaker 1: for joining us today, said cell Phony than the former

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Speaker 1: math New York City, the Democratic very much. John A

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Speaker 1: disremarkable Tom Kane, It is remarkable to see this John

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Speaker 1: after the State of the City. I have the clearest memories,

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Speaker 1: way way back pre Giuliani of getting out near the

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Speaker 1: Port Authority into what was, you know, the romance of

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Speaker 1: it now of a tougher New York City. But it's

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Speaker 1: amazing what this guy accomplished into those particularly younger how

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Speaker 1: different he is now as we just witnessed uh In.

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Speaker 1: As you correctly said, John of monologue, is well, Lisa,

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Speaker 1: you're still with us? Did you survive? That is a

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Speaker 1: native New Yorker. Honestly, the one thing I wanted to

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Speaker 1: ask him as he said that it doesn't worry him

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Speaker 1: that much getting the virus. And my key question is

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Speaker 1: is that the message John, I you know what's so important?

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Speaker 1: And what Lisa says that that insight is the President saying, well,

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Speaker 1: maybe I'm immune. John It was such a different tone

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Speaker 1: from Prime Minister Johnson, Wasn't it? What an interview? Why

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Speaker 1: aren't we talking about the elephant in the room? I mean,

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Speaker 1: come on, that was just absolutely ridiculous in the last

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Speaker 1: ten minutes, Tom, absolutely ridiculous. Understand. Josh wind Groves with

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Speaker 1: US Now Bloomberg News, White House Reporter, Josh. Fantastic to

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Speaker 1: catch up with you, sir, Thanks for joining us today.

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Speaker 1: Let's try and focus the debate. Very difficult to focus

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Speaker 1: the debate. If an individual that is helping you prepare

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Speaker 1: for that debate conducts himself in that manner, how on

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Speaker 1: earth will this debate shape up? On October fifth? It's

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Speaker 1: in Miami, Florida. I mean, I'm a bit at a

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Speaker 1: loss for words. I guess I would say that Rudy

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Speaker 1: has been dieting on the same sort of uh feed

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Speaker 1: of misinformation that the President has for since sime Um

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Speaker 1: and they're convinced that there is conspiracy going on ways

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Speaker 1: and I think you've learned a little bit of that. Um. Look,

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Speaker 1: it he's onto droxychlor quin as as a preventative measure

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Speaker 1: after he sat next to Chris Christie for a few days.

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Speaker 1: Chris Christie, of course, has come down with the virus

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Speaker 1: UH and checked himself into hospital. Uh Is issued a

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Speaker 1: point in warning for that drug, essentially thinking as the

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Speaker 1: emergency youth authorized use authorization. So, um, you know, but

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Speaker 1: outed it? So I guess that to you. But but

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Speaker 1: Rudy sure seemed upset. I don't know, John, you don't

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Speaker 1: have that effect on me normally, but you know, there's

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Speaker 1: always tomorrow. What is so important here, Josh is we

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Speaker 1: saw the president come out of a very close managed

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Speaker 1: theater into that first debate, and all of us, whatever

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Speaker 1: our politics, saw the responsive performance of that debate. And

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Speaker 1: President Joe Biden. How are you thinking about the election?

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Speaker 1: Really important? And again I have a contrary view, um,

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Speaker 1: So what is the Biden bump? What does it mean?

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Speaker 1: What's the value of non consensus? Um? I think the

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Speaker 1: worst outcome for the markets poll would have been a

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Speaker 1: close and litigated election in which the outcome would be

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Speaker 1: in certain for days, weeks, or even months. Uh. In

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Speaker 1: this case, there could have been civil unrest. The markets

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Speaker 1: would not only suffer, but the markets would likely grow

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Speaker 1: a lot more volatiles. So the Biden bump began two

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Speaker 1: weeks ago in the polls and betting parlors has been

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Speaker 1: conspicuous in the last two weeks. As of this morning,

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Speaker 1: Nate Silvist eight has Biden fifty probability of winning election.

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Speaker 1: It was two weeks ago uh And predicted and the

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Speaker 1: other betting polls also have a similar outcome. So I

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Speaker 1: have very briefly six factors in my Biden bump list.

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Speaker 1: Number one wherever us or to a vaccine and therapeutics

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Speaker 1: that we have been at any point this year. I

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Speaker 1: said in March, and one of the reasons why I

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Speaker 1: grew very optimistic on stocks um that you have to

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Speaker 1: have a strong belief in our health and scientific communities,

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Speaker 1: and just look at this week's Regenera news I still do. Secondly,

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Speaker 1: we're approaching a normal seasonal strength in equities. Third, the

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Speaker 1: FED is not going to change monetary course. Our central

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Speaker 1: banks and others globally are committed like never before the

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Speaker 1: fuel domestic economic growth. Fourth, if the market does go higher,

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Speaker 1: we have this changed and embedded market structure change which

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Speaker 1: could exacerbate the short term recovering prices. Fifth, investors, given

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Speaker 1: the heightened uncertainties that everyone knows about our position negatively

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Speaker 1: or defensively, they're off side of the market rallies. They

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Speaker 1: will have their reverse And finally, my can my base

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Speaker 1: case expectation now and so is the market. The bending poles,

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Speaker 1: the betting and the polls is that we're going to

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Speaker 1: see a blue wave. So I think it's going to

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Speaker 1: hasten the imperative in the passage of a massive physical

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Speaker 1: stailist program, perhaps more of TOM than two point two trillion,

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Speaker 1: possibly as soon as February. The markets are going to

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Speaker 1: smell this out and they're going to begin to discount

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Speaker 1: this by taking stocks higher over the needed term. Don't

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Speaker 1: look at the rear view mirror in terms of the

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Speaker 1: failing um UH negotiations today. I never thought the Democrats

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Speaker 1: and Republicans wouldn't agree. After all, it's not in either

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Speaker 1: their interests. Unfortunately to care sabres with us. We're going

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Speaker 1: to continue down three into thirteen points SPS thirty eight

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Speaker 1: points cast killing it. Doug. I want to go back

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Speaker 1: just a few years to Putnam into Kidder Peabody. There's

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Speaker 1: a point you where you're as smart as you think

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Speaker 1: you are, and then you realize that forget about the mathematics, Graham,

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Speaker 1: Dot Coddle and all the rest of it. The fact

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Speaker 1: is corporations always adjust, and it's always underestimated that they

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Speaker 1: will adjust to whatever the market gives them, the economy

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Speaker 1: gives um, etcetera. Are we underestimating once again the mailability

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Speaker 1: of big companies, you know, stock trading companies to readjust

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Speaker 1: it's a great point. It's one of my themes. H

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Speaker 1: If you look at the stock markets advanced tom since March,

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Speaker 1: it's reflecting a triumph of triumph of big business over

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Speaker 1: small business. We as investors don't invest in the neighborhood

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Speaker 1: local candy store. It say have to say that many

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Speaker 1: of these small businesses are all at or over the

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Speaker 1: abyss we invest and the stock market cadies to people

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Speaker 1: of jobs, work at solvent and growing businesses. This is

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Speaker 1: a V shaped recovery and housing this is a U

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Speaker 1: shaped recovery and autos. The moats, the competitive advantages that

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Speaker 1: exist at Costco, Walmart, Target, Amazon, Google, Netflix, Twitter, Home

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Speaker 1: Depot improved with COVID nineteen, their moats have deepened. They

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Speaker 1: were not impaired by the virus. Unfortunately, the government, and

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Speaker 1: by that I mean both sides of the Pew, the Congress,

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Speaker 1: the White House, have failed our small businesses which have

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Speaker 1: been gutted by covid. Doug, Amazon, give us an update here.

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Speaker 1: You've written voluminously on Amazon is a long term investment

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Speaker 1: out to thirty three thousand. First of all, are they

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Speaker 1: going to split forty one so they can go down?

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Speaker 1: I don't think m Bezos is splitting. But Amazon's Amazon

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Speaker 1: has been and most most periods in the last since December,

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Speaker 1: when the stock dotch locked down to my largest position. UM,

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Speaker 1: I made the case on I guess it was Bloomberg TV,

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Speaker 1: not radio with you um that it would trade at

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Speaker 1: three thousand and two, would trade at five thousands, and

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Speaker 1: everyone laughed at me. I think I might have been low.

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Speaker 1: It obviously traded ruth thousand over the through three thousand

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Speaker 1: over the short term. But their mode is is so deep,

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Speaker 1: their resources are so strong. They're operating acumen and logistical

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Speaker 1: operating acumen is so sophisticated. Visa v competition, we gotta go.

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Speaker 1: Give me a three year target. Three year target, I

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Speaker 1: would say seven thousand. Okay, good Doug cast, Thank you

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