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Speaker 1: we always do. Uh, let's get over though. To Alex Hollings,

427
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Speaker 1: what is going on? Man? What's going on? Man? Can

428
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 1: you hear me? All right? Yes? And we see you.

429
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: I was like, should we do the video this time?

430
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 1: And I guess so it looks looks good though, and

431
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: yeah we the last episode. I was actually saying to Jack,

432
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 1: we had like all these connection issues, but now I

433
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: think we're good. So you guys are this fucking Batman

434
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: will go here and you're a Batman shirt? See That's

435
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: why I like working here, because Jack's got class and taste.

436
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: You know that's funny. Alright, So getting into everything. Joining us,

437
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: of course is Alex Hollings uh, former marine writer for

438
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Speaker 1: soft Rep dot com. There is a whole lot of

439
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 1: stuff to cover. Um, you're looking at a story that

440
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: just came out ABC and investigations in Australia. They've been,

441
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 1: you know, covering alleged war crimes committed by the Australian

442
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: Special Air Service. Now they got this new one out.

443
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: Australian soldiers flew Nazi swastika flag from vehicle in Afghanistan.

444
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: PM says diggers actions absolutely wrong and there's a one

445
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 1: of their vehicles in Afghanistan they're find the swastika over

446
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 1: it like that just broke yeah, yeah, and then they

447
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: have to ask the question why what guy was it?

448
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 1: That was? Like, guys, you know what would be hilarious

449
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: if we threw the swastika flag up and drove around

450
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: for a while, you know, you know, you know how

451
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Speaker 1: some of it starts. And I'm not at all making

452
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Speaker 1: any apologies for these idiots, any idiot anywhere he uses uh,

453
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Speaker 1: Nazi iconography or whatever. Um, but it's like the Marine

454
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 1: Scout Snipers. They'd use the SS symbol, you know, the

455
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: lightning bolts to say SS and that's, oh, it stands

456
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 1: for Scout Sniper. You know. Certain scott Snipers signed one

457
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Speaker 1: of those with the S S one of our backdrops,

458
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 1: not that one, the one behind it, but yeah, you know,

459
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: and for some of them, it's like, you know, we're

460
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 1: doing it to irritate the Libs. You know, it's like

461
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: political correctness and then military loves politically incorrectness, but it's

462
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: I love politically incorrectness. But can we do away with

463
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 1: the fucking swastikas and the waff and SS bullshit? Please?

464
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: That would be really cool. Yeah, especially in today's political climate.

465
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Speaker 1: You can't assume people are going to see it with

466
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Speaker 1: a sense of humor, you know, like like I can

467
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Speaker 1: see to a certain extent the idea behind trying to

468
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: adopt that SS iconography. I could. I could argue that

469
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Speaker 1: we're trying to take it away from them and make

470
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Speaker 1: it our own thing, or that I can try, and

471
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Speaker 1: I can understand some eighteen year old marine doing that.

472
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Speaker 1: Bless his heart. The young man doesn't know any better.

473
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 1: But nonetheless, we should just get that ship out of

474
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Speaker 1: the armed services entirely. Yeah. Absolutely, I can't agree more,

475
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Speaker 1: especially when because you're not only talking about it reflecting

476
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Speaker 1: poorly on you, you're talking about it reflecting on the country,

477
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Speaker 1: entire nation. For Australia, this is what Australian news is

478
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 1: going to be about on the global theater for the

479
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Speaker 1: next week. It's going to be about Nazis in the

480
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Speaker 1: Australian military. You know, we're talking about a handful of

481
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: assholes that are that are really I mean, they always

482
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: tell you when you first joined the Marines that for

483
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: the rest of your life, no matter what you do,

484
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 1: if you end up in the newspaper, the headline is

485
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: going to read marine does Yeah. Yeah, no, it's true,

486
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: you know, and you have to take these things into

487
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: account when you do dumb shit. I always think the

488
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 1: flag up on your truck, Yeah, I always thinking the

489
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Speaker 1: asshole through the dog off the cliff, whether that dog

490
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Speaker 1: was that or not, because I know that. You know,

491
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: some people say they added in the audio after um,

492
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: but either way, it's like that's what gets press attention.

493
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: It's not some guy handing out soccer balls like unfortunately,

494
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: no one can if you're gonna do something stupid steal

495
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Speaker 1: an APC and drive it down the fucking roads of America.

496
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: Show the man, what's up that guy. Here's your command

497
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: of a conspiracy against you, saying that they ordered you

498
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Speaker 1: to steal that Apcey have you followed up on that now?

499
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Speaker 1: I haven't seen that part that there's a conspiracy. He's

500
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: still you know, he's still in police custody, and he

501
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: swears that his command ordered him to take that APC,

502
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: that it was prepped for him for his departure. I

503
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: believe he was on a mission. He was on a

504
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: mission from God. Yeah, although admittedly he said that he

505
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 1: needed to interpret some of the commands because they were

506
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: using symbolic language. Oh, they were using like gang signs

507
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: like stacking and stuff like that, like steal a PC,

508
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: drive down the highway. This guy has been in the

509
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Speaker 1: National Guard for eleven years. He was an Afghan Afghanistan vent. Yeah. Yeah,

510
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: he was an officer. You know, I will say this.

511
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: You know, he didn't hit a damn thing up until

512
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: he highsighted it, you know, once he got to Richmond.

513
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: But you know, he didn't hit anything with it. That's

514
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: pretty good for a stolen APC doing no damage and

515
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: an officer no less driving that thing. Yeah right, just

516
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: goes to showman, you can't trust officers saying that. But

517
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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's some pretty gnarly ship. Um. I

518
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: feel like it was just a brazen act of defiance

519
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 1: against the man and his plan. That that's really what

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Speaker 1: I thought. I was expecting to hear this guy say, yeah,

521
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: fuck it, man, I was tired of the National Guard.

522
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 1: But he's going with his conspiracy theory angle that makes

523
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: it seem like he's had a psychological break or something

524
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: like I could see getting really like drunk and thinking

525
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: it was a funny idea, but two days later to

526
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: to still be claiming a conspiracy is something like, I mean,

527
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: I don't want to hurt anybody or kill anybody, but

528
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: I always tell people like you know, and they asked,

529
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Speaker 1: like why I got out of the military, or like

530
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: what what I didn't like about it? And I was like,

531
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: have you ever seen Rambo too? You remember the last

532
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: scene where Rambo gets off the Huey at the end

533
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: he jumps off the helicopter back from Vietnam and he

534
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: pulls the M sixt out of the door and he

535
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: just like throws the seven six two rounds around his

536
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: other hand and he goes into the top in the

537
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: operations center. It's just like screaming while he fires the sixty,

538
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: blowing up all the computers and machines like, and then

539
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: he just starts screaming, firing up in the air, and

540
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: he takes to the fucking his Rambo knife and he

541
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: slants it into the table next to the CIA guy's face.

542
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: That was where I was heading, Like, I'm not the

543
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: type of dude who's going to shoot up at school

544
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: or any of that stupid bullshit that people do, but

545
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: I would shoot the funk up out of our opstion.

546
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: I was so angry and frustrated. That's where I was.

547
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: That's the most energetic I have ever seen you. Like,

548
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if people can't. Jack is still mascate

549
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: about this, Like, I feel like you watched that movie

550
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: this morning or every morning every I spent up the

551
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: scene on YouTube every once in a while just to

552
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: remind myself. You know, that's a guy who used to

553
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: work in the CEC. I'm really glad that none of

554
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: the rangers came in and did that. So close man,

555
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: so close? Um? Alright, Well, anyway, transitioning to, you know,

556
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: the first of which were you know, actually, I mean,

557
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: we'll talk old man fitness because I want to, but

558
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: you know, I should start with the fact that you've

559
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: written dozens of articles at this point about North Korea,

560
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: about Trump Kim Jong Lun, So I just wanted to

561
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: hear you know, we talked about our reactions. Jack Devine

562
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: was on last episode, gave his reaction to these two

563
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: men meeting in Singapore shaking hands, and we need to

564
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: talk about the DPRK salute to Yeah, we'll get into that,

565
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: but I just want to hear your reaction to actually

566
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: seeing that on TV earlier this week. Well, the first

567
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: thing I want to tell you is that I think

568
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: it's been crazy the way the media has presented this,

569
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: as though all of a sudden, it's something Trump shouldn't

570
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: have done. We've been headed on this trail where it

571
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: was the only thing we could do for months now,

572
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: But now that it's something that we actually did, we're

573
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Speaker 1: gonna pretend as though we think it was a bad idea.

574
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Speaker 1: Previous presidents did not meet with Kim Jong lun. And

575
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,959
Speaker 1: it is true that meeting with the US president legitimizes

576
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: your authority to some extent in the international theater, but

577
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: we weren't talking about a nuclear capable North Korea before.

578
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: You know, you have to take the world as it is,

579
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: not as you'd like it to be. And although they

580
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: don't in my opinion, they don't have a survivable reentry vehicle,

581
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: they don't have a legitimate targeting apparatus. There's still a

582
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: long way away from a real i cb M the

583
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: way we think of it. Yeah, we still have we

584
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: have to address this threat, you know, and I don't

585
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: think that there's a way around having a conversation with

586
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: North Korea at this point, you know, before we get

587
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,719
Speaker 1: that what was that that nuclear warning? The public message

588
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: that came in Hawaii that they're like ims in band.

589
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: That's crazy to me about that is that I guess

590
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: it was just like a button, like one button you

591
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: could hit by accident. Yeah, like it's like some bro

592
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: with fat fingers. I just don't know if I believe that.

593
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: Though after it happened again in a part in parts

594
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: of America, it happened in Japan. Why why did it

595
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: keep happening several times? I also have my tinfoil add

596
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: on with that one. Why would they make that so

597
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: easy that you just hit a button. It's it's you

598
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: can't close a fucking word document without my computer asking

599
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: me three times if I'm sure. Yeah, you know, but

600
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: you're telling me that we could put an entire island

601
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: on alert, you know, by accident. I yeah, I agree.

602
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: It's it seems fishing to me. I think it must

603
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: have been something. I don't think it's crazy to say,

604
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: with some type of social experiment to see how prepared

605
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: people were not. I mean, let me put it this way.

606
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: If you're a foreign entity and you want to run

607
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: a signals and measuring exercise against the United States to

608
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: see how we're going to respond to an imminent nuclear attack,

609
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: that is one way you would ping the system right,

610
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: just to see what we're gonna do. What starts moving around?

611
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: What what? What strategic assets start moving when something like

612
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: that happened. I can tell you this, though I know

613
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: people live in Hawaii. They're like raw food vegans who

614
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: practice yoga. If you sent that text message out to

615
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: like Texas, I think you'd get a very different response.

616
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: Gunfire in the air. Yeah, but you know, and you

617
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: have to bear in mind too, that we're not just

618
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: talking about North Korea as a potential actor in this instance.

619
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: You know, because if we're talking about a foreign entity

620
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: wanting to know how we respond to a nuclear launch,

621
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: the best time to do it is when we're all

622
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: looking at North Korea. You know, if China or Russia

623
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: or any of these other nations would like to know

624
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: what our response would be, we're obviously going to assume

625
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: it's North Korea related, especially if it's in the Pacific.

626
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: It's a perfect opportunity to take advantage of. You know,

627
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: and we know for a fact that China and Russia

628
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: have accessed all sorts of systems. I mean, Russia infiltrated

629
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: our electrical grid. China recently stole six d something gigs

630
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: of data from the US UH you know, Submersible Warfare Center.

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Speaker 1: We know that they are capable. When I mean when

632
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: you meet with people, there are certain circles. Um you

633
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: meet with certain people are going to meet with. They're

634
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: gonna say everything's fine, everything secure, everything's good to go.

635
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: You meet with people who are a little bit more

636
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: serious and sit down and have a real some real talk,

637
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: and they'll tell you Jay pass is compromised. Jay Wicks

638
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Speaker 1: is compromised. We know Yankee White. The secure White House

639
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: communications system has been compromised. I mean, all of these

640
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: systems are conflicting. Was talking about that being compromised, you

641
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: know what, I mean three presidents ago. And I doubt

642
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: that the same way that we've known for over a

643
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: decade that the most the predominantly the U. S. Military

644
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 1: and our law enforcement and our intelligence infrastructure state side,

645
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: all relies on commercial power. Right. We know that this

646
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: is a risk that we that we need to mitigate,

647
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: but we're not and I'd be willing to bet we're

648
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,439
Speaker 1: we're doing that across the board. We know that White

649
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: House communications have been compromised. We've probably tried some cost

650
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: effective solutions to that problem. And the telecommunications infrastructure is

651
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: so big, like you would have to tear it all

652
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: up and start over again. Absolutely, yeah. So what do

653
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: you do? Then? You you mitigate the risk based on

654
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: what you know of it, and you walk away from it,

655
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: you know. And that's what we've been doing time and

656
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: time again with all these different things. And I genuinely

657
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: think that the way World War three starts, you know,

658
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: when we're talking about like the Archduke Franz Ferdinand that

659
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: nobody knew or cared who he was, but it launched

660
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: a world war, Right, It's gonna be something similar to that,

661
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 1: but it will digital. I think when the third World

662
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: war ever comes around, it's gonna be something that we

663
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: and your everyday, day to day life don't think about

664
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: as a potential threat that gets compromised in a really

665
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: bad way and we have no choice bunch of respond

666
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: and the government has had in recent years draft up

667
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 1: documents and such about it's like there's there's um how

668
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: can I put it? Like escalation of force, So like

669
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: if somebody does this to us, what's our escalation? And

670
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: then there's a nuclear threshold, Like things get to a

671
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: certain point. It's like nukes are flying through the air. Um.

672
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: But with cyber warfare, we we've had to go back

673
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: and look at where are those thresholds? Um? If you

674
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 1: hack into this system, if you shut down this system

675
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: the United States, at what point are we launching ballistic missiles?

676
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: At which what point are we send in troops? What?

677
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: What what point do we launch the nukes? Because I mean,

678
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: using cyber warfare, you can bring down critical systems, you

679
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: can shut this country down. That is an act of war. Um.

680
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: So you know and here in the United States we've

681
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: got to contest with the political environment. Whereas in a

682
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: China or a Russia, the benefit of fascism from a

683
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: military standpoint is that you don't have to take time

684
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: to deliberate. Yeah, that somebody makes a decision and you

685
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: do it. Here in the US, we have to weigh

686
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 1: human lives against digital infrastructure right now. We know that.

687
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: You know, there's been studies that show that if all

688
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: the power in the US were to go out, they

689
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: thought what of the population would die in two years more?

690
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 1: Something crazy? You know, we know that infrastructure equals lives,

691
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: but it's hard to justify when you say, they committed

692
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 1: this cyber attack and we're going to respond with kinetic force.

693
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: That's something you've got to sell to the American people

694
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: who may not be savvy. They might not recognize the

695
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: fact that making all the power go down in Kentucky

696
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: is a big deal. Are you know we are? Our

697
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: society is so complex and systems are so interconnected. I'm

698
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: just something like shutting down air conditioning is gonna kill

699
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: old people because they're ninety years old. They're in failing health,

700
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: and you can see it. Whenever there's like black ats

701
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 1: air conditioning goes out and a bunch of old people

702
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: just die in their living rooms. I mean, and that's

703
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: just an example of how fragile we are in a

704
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: lot of ways. And you know, like I was just

705
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 1: in New York City visiting you guys this last weekend,

706
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: and you know, I lived out in the woods of Georgia.

707
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: And the first thing that I thought walking around New

708
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 1: York City was supply lines stopped coming to this city.

709
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: This would be a terrifying place. Yeah, nobody's growing their

710
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: own food anywhere near the city. No one's getting anything

711
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 1: to drink anywhere near the city. Everything is being shipped

712
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: into the city. The only thing I can think of

713
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: is there's some stuff in Brooklyn, right because I've I've

714
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: had m we have a couple of microbrews now, but

715
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: not Yeah, well then at least the guys are good there. No,

716
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: But I remember when I was booking Senator Bradley show,

717
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: there's some people who run some like bigger gardens, and

718
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 1: I'm talking about for food, you know, in Brooklyn, rooftop

719
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: type stuff. But it's I know what you're saying, It's

720
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: not a farming population, you know, And you know, and

721
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: it can't be logistically, you know, that's what a city is,

722
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: you know. But when you think about our reliance on

723
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: electricity to take crude oil, you use a centrifuge to

724
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: separate the elements of oil into different things that we've

725
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: used to fuel engines diesel fuel versus gasoline, we use

726
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: chemical treatments. Electricity is an important part of every element

727
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: of that. And gasoline's got a shelf life. You know,

728
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: gasoline will go bad when it sits for too long.

729
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: The way we get gas out of the underground fuel

730
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: tanks and into our cars is electrical. Yeah, you know.

731
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: Now an MP attack could render cars useless anyway, but

732
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: it wouldn't even need to be that. You could knock

733
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: out I think it was something like nineteen transformers and

734
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: really interfere with the electrical flow throughout the majority of

735
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: the country. All of a sudden, we don't have fuel anymore.

736
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, we don't have refrigeration anymore. Food

737
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: goes away really quickly without electricity, and people die really

738
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: quickly without food. It's just the our modern economy, with

739
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: mary time shipping and everything else, is based on justin

740
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: time delivery. You know, the the whole like lean six

741
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: sigma attitude that you know you're just stocking, you know,

742
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 1: your shelves. There's there's no backstock. It's just whatever shelf

743
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: space you have is what shelf space do you have?

744
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: Because you know, yeah, you're not making money by having

745
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: products sitting in the back room somewhere, um and all

746
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: of that can be disrupted very easily, absolutely, and I

747
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 1: think we lose sight of that. You know, we we

748
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 1: talk about cyber warfare. People worry about whether or not

749
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: the Russians meddled with boat counts and things like that.

750
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: Perception is important, Propaganda is significant. But you don't need

751
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: kinetic force anymore to really cripple a nation. Oh yeah,

752
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: you can do it with a couple of nerds with laptops. Well,

753
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: it's the perception versus reality is an interesting thing because

754
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: I remember a few years back there was a you know,

755
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: when you go to the airport and uh to pick

756
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: somebody up at the arrivals gate, and there's like that.

757
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's an actual gate. A lot of times it's

758
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: just like a an imaginary line with a sign up,

759
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: do not go past this point because that's going into

760
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: the terminal and their security so you have to wait

761
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: behind that point for your family member to show up.

762
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: There was a Chinese guy and he saw his wife

763
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: coming and without even thinking about it, he walked across

764
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: that line, went forward, hugged her, picked up her bag,

765
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: and they walked out and left the airport. Well, whoever

766
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: was reviewing the security tapes as that was happening, like

767
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: hit the big red button and like as that guy

768
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: was driving out, like they shut down the entire airport

769
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: because they had they had at a security breach. Now

770
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: something as simple as that, imagine you did that at

771
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: every airport across the country, all at once, shut down

772
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: international travel just because you went forward of that line

773
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: to give somebody a hug or shake their hand. So

774
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,479
Speaker 1: the all would take is one i e. D Going

775
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: off on an American highway, and it would shut down

776
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: a significant part of our economy for you know, days,

777
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: if not weeks. We saw it Atlanta, I think it

778
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: was last or one of the two highways going into

779
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: Atlanta collapsed, you know, and traffic ended up being backed

780
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: up for days to get into this huge city, you know,

781
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: And and that was just I think it was like

782
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: a homeless guy started a fire that ended up, causing

783
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: part of the highway to collapse. So like our infrastructure,

784
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: I mean what we already know our infrastructure is not

785
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: particularly sound in the US anyway, you know. But we

786
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: like to think of ourselves. We have this illusion of

787
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: the United States as all powerful, militarily, completely free from

788
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: concern about invasion and things like that, because we've all

789
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: grown up, you know, we've grown up amid conflicts that

790
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: there was never a threat of us losing. We were

791
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: never worried about losing a war on terror. We might

792
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: have lamented the way that we executed it, or the

793
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: politics or the money, but we've never been worried about

794
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: someone coming and taking our land, you know. And we

795
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: we have this idea that you know, you look at

796
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,959
Speaker 1: many of the facets of modern combat and the United

797
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: States has fallen behind competitors in China, in Russia because

798
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: we've been fighting a different kind of war and ignoring

799
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: the future this whole time. We've been doing the same

800
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: thing domestically as usual. I mean, it's not the enemy

801
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: that does us in it, and you know we're doing

802
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: it to ourselves. Yeah, yeah, you know, when we canceled

803
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: the F twenty two program, I remember I think I

804
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: was in college at the time, but Barack Obama came

805
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 1: on the air and said, uh, this is a weapon

806
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: for a type of war we don't fight anymore. And

807
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: I remember at the time being like, what are you

808
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: talking about. You mean we're not fighting it right now.

809
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: This is a weapon for a war and we're not

810
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 1: fighting right now. We still have to worry about future warfare,

811
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: you know. But we've been resting on our laurels when

812
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: it comes to domestic infrastructure, when it comes to security

813
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: for it, when it comes to foreign security, you know.

814
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: And I have motivated by our shift, but I don't

815
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: think we've shifted far enough, hard enough, fast enough. The

816
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,959
Speaker 1: thing is, Americans also want to live in a zero

817
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: threat environment, Like we just want to feel totally comfortable.

818
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: There's never gonna be any It's like, come on, dude,

819
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: Like we've never lived in that world and you're never

820
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: going to live in it absolutely, you know it kind

821
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: of I wrote an article this week about normalcy bias

822
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: in regards to like personal safety and self defense, but

823
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: we do it on a national level. Normalcy bias is

824
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: like our natural inclination to assume things are fine. You know.

825
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: I've never seen this happen before, or so why would

826
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: it happen now? You know. So if you're at the

827
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: grocery store and you see some guy acting kind of

828
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: shady and rummaging around in his bag kind of looks

829
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: like he could have a weapon, a lot of us

830
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: will will tell ourselves we're being paranoid. You know. I'm

831
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: sure we've all done it, like you're being paranoid. Man,

832
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: just sucking disregard, you know, keep moving. We do it

833
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: all the time when it comes to personal defense because

834
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: we live in a very safe country. The US is

835
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly safe, you know. And so then we we project

836
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 1: that into the into geopolitics and we assume Russia's not

837
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: really gonna invade crimea, right, I mean, look, they said

838
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: they're not doing it and not good enough, and then

839
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: we let them. We assume China is not going to

840
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: take control over all of the South China, see, because

841
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: there's no precedent set for that. That's not something that

842
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 1: we compute easily, so we let them do it. You know,

843
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: we have this idea that things are fine. Well it's

844
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: called it's called slicing the salami. That you're moving incrementally

845
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: and slowly, Um, so you're you're, you know, establishing new

846
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: norms over a longer period of time, and by the

847
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: time you know, you recognize that threat, it's already too

848
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: eight um, you know when, and you end up where

849
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: we are now, trying to catch up with hypersonic missiles,

850
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: trying to catch up with I mean, our artillery has

851
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: got half the operational range of Russia's most advanced artillery.

852
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 1: That's the I mean artillery is good old fashioned bang

853
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: boom gunpower, you know, and we've fallen behind even in

854
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: that realm. But when you tell people in the US

855
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: that we need to allocate more resources to the defense apparatus,

856
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: people say, but we already spend so much. You know,

857
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 1: we spend more than they do, so why on earth

858
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: could we need more? You know, they don't recognize that

859
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: we're fighting very different wars in lots of different theaters.

860
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: You know. That's why that the Pentagon needs total you know,

861
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 1: budget reform. You know, I can't wait for those audits

862
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: to come through because the American public is just going

863
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: to be disgusted with what comes out of that. Because

864
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: we really could reduce defense spending, we just would need

865
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: to do it in a way that's different than we've seen.

866
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 1: We don't cut programs like the f twenty two. When

867
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: I was at twenty five Marines, we were training reservists

868
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: and every year we would send our whole unit out

869
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,720
Speaker 1: to twenty nine Palms from Boston for training. Now, because

870
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: you know, the more wear tear you have an equipment,

871
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: you have to account for that financially. So because of that,

872
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 1: reservists aren't allowed to use assets assigned to active duty units.

873
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: So even though there's humvees and all sorts of equipment

874
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 1: already at Mohabi Viper out in twenty nine Palms, we

875
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: weren't allowed to use them because it was a reserve command.

876
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: So we would pay four million dollars to ship our

877
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: humbies and the rest of our equipment out to California

878
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: by train, get it, they're unloaded, use it, and then

879
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 1: ship it all back every year just because we couldn't

880
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: use the active duty assets that were on site. Millions

881
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: of dollars a year. That's one reserve unit. You know,

882
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: when you think about that practice, you know for Swide

883
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: and then I know Jack you're familiar with, you know

884
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: the end of the fiscal years. So we've got to

885
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: go expend every round that we've gotten the armory. Otherwise

886
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: they're not going to give us more bullet money to

887
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: spendex and the yearly year forecasting. Yeah, don't get me

888
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 1: started on that. You know. It's this mentality use it

889
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: or lose it mentality leads to excessive spending. That's one

890
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: idea is you know, do like a like the I

891
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: G or somebody should do like a surprise or some

892
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: sort of like surprise policy and be like, Okay, all

893
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,720
Speaker 1: you units, we're gonna take your budget from the previous

894
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: eleven months and average it out and that's going to

895
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,439
Speaker 1: be your budget instead of play funk around the last

896
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: month of the fiscal year, or somehow incentivize coming in

897
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: under budget so that you don't lose the money next

898
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 1: top lie. You know what I mean. There's something I'm

899
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: all about throwing money. Well not I shouldn't say throwing money,

900
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: but let's say funding the troops and you know, letting

901
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: them buy the things they need to complete their job. Um,

902
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: but I remember at the end of the fiscal year,

903
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: like would just be spending money on stupid ship that

904
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: nobody wanted, you know, Yeah, to make sure we hit

905
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: that point you know what I mean, Because well, if

906
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 1: we don't spend all ten million dollars next year, they'll

907
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: only give us nine. So we need to make sure

908
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: we justify it. Yeah, I obviously need to tents, you know,

909
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: and especially when it comes to that spend the spendex

910
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: checks talking about is the most fun part. In my opinion,

911
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: the spendex is illegal. It's literally illegal. Yeah, yeah, it's

912
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: totally illegal because it's fraud, waste, and abuse. Um, you're

913
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: destroying military You're just you're destroying military equipment. Um, you

914
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: think and when you're just blowing around through there's no

915
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: training value in it. Um. You know, we were ordered

916
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: to do a spendex using sniper systems. I was I

917
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: almost went to the Inspector General over and but I

918
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: was e t s NG out of the Army and

919
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: I was just like so disgusted. All they handed out

920
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: the Command Climate Survey and I like stapled three sheets

921
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: of paper. I wrote so much on there. I just

922
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: so disgusted with it. I thought about you had a

923
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: better grasp on the big picture than I did. I

924
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: was like, you guys are gonna let me shoot an

925
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: MP five. I've never sat one of those before awesome.

926
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: I'm all about getting the guys out to the range

927
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: and shooting. But the thing about that too was A

928
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: was an eighteen Bravo. So I was in charge of

929
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: scheduling ranges and doing the range packets and AMMO requests

930
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 1: and all that um for my team, and I would

931
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: request the ammunition and during the year they'd be like, no,

932
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: we don't have it of it, we haven't got any

933
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 1: of it. And then lo and behold, there's a fucking

934
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: there's palets literally pallets of AMMO and some bunker somewhere. Uh,

935
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: And now they're like, oh, you gotta blow through this

936
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: in the next twenty four hour so we meet our

937
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: annual AMMA forecasting mark. Where the funk was all this

938
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 1: AMMA all throughout the year when I was requesting it. Yeah,

939
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: every time you go and do rifle qual and the

940
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: Marine Corps's a two week ordeal and you'll spend a

941
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: week without firing a single round because we have to

942
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 1: account for every bullet, you know what I mean. Every

943
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 1: bullet costs money. So you'll spend a week snapping in

944
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: on a barrel, you know what I mean, laying in

945
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: the prone position, just dry firing your rifle because God

946
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: forbid we waste the ammunition. You're totally right, You're absolutely right.

947
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 1: So I was gonna say before we get into a

948
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: million other topics here, but we already have a different times.

949
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: I think people and enjoy that when we have Alex on,

950
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 1: we go all over the place. Um. But you mentioned earlier,

951
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: UM Trump of course saluting the North Korean general and

952
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: the internet is going nuts over this. I already know.

953
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: Alex said he he thinks that it's, you know, kind

954
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: of hyperbole the reactions some people have. But yeah, I'll

955
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: be honest, I don't think it's that big a deal.

956
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: I I know. I what it looked like to me,

957
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 1: to be honest, was Trump was walking en up to

958
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: this guy. The guy saluted Trump as Trump put out

959
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: his hands. Trump saw that he saluted, so he went

960
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,760
Speaker 1: to do what the commander in chief does a million

961
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: times a day, which is that guy can't put his

962
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: hand down until I cut my salute. It looked to

963
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: me like a couple of awkward guys being awkward. I

964
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: guess it's hard for me to associate more weight to it.

965
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: I'm not the biggest band of Trump. I feel like

966
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: he's not that smooth an operator just in general, you know.

967
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: So I don't know, to me, it didn't look at

968
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: that big of a deal, but the internet disagrees with me,

969
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I mean, I know I tend to

970
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: agree with you. And I don't think you know, Trump

971
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: did does something like that with like Malison is hard

972
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: or anything like that. I don't think he's thinking at all. No, no, yeah, yeah,

973
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: I think it's just a question that he's just oblivious

974
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: and isn't thinking about it. And like you said, you know,

975
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 1: the guy salutes him, He's like, oh, when I get saluted,

976
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: I should salute them back. And there's no like the

977
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: real thought process behind any of that. Um. So, I mean,

978
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: I'm not like trying to crucify our president over that.

979
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm just pointing out that I think it's funny the

980
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: hypocrisy about how you know these are. You know, it's

981
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: like this kind of thing is okay when it's your president,

982
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 1: but it's like some sort of like crime when it's

983
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: the other president. You know, like when Obama, you know,

984
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 1: and it was stupid when he did it too, when

985
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: he saluted the marine with a cup of coffee in

986
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 1: his hand. People were like, what the hell. And I mean,

987
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: he shouldn't have done that. That was dumb. But you

988
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: couldn't be more right. Yeah, I mean it's just like

989
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: one of those things like and I'm pretty sure Trump

990
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: himself bashed Obama for bowing to the shouty king. I

991
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: remember that, and that was that was weird because you

992
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 1: don't bout I mean, is that a tradition? Does anyone

993
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: bow to the Saudi king? Yeah, that's a great question.

994
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think. I don't think it's even normal.

995
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: I don't think it's normal in general, never mind the

996
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: fact that it's two heads of state meeting. Um. I

997
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: thought that was really weird. I think it's more fair

998
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: to draw comparisons, like Jack saying to you know, Obama

999
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: saluting with a coffee cup in his hand. It's more

1000
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: fair to compare it to that than to bowing to

1001
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: the Saudi king Bush saluting with the dog in his arm.

1002
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 1: Remember that was a big one too. Oh really, I

1003
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: forgot about that one. I mean it's important for us

1004
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: to remember. To us, you know, like customs and courtesies

1005
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: come second nature because it was ingrained in US. But

1006
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: when when you're a guy like Donald Trump, this whole

1007
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 1: saluting thing is what six d days old to him,

1008
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: you know. I that's not an excuse to not be

1009
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: aware of the appropriate customs and courtesies. But it makes

1010
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: it harder for me to be really critical of a

1011
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: slip up, just like Bush doing it with a dog

1012
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 1: in his hand, although he wasn't the International Guard so

1013
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: he should have known better. Uh, I don't. I don't know.

1014
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: It's one of those things where I think it's a

1015
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: it's an easy it's an easy thing for CNN to

1016
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 1: run a headline ourselves. We can get ourselves outraged and

1017
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: worked up about this if we really want to. Yeah, yeah,

1018
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: you know. And but I just I think that there

1019
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: are there are There were a lot of things going

1020
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 1: on in that room that I'm a lot more worried

1021
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: about than the salute. Everybody has to get worked up

1022
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: over something. My favorite, My favorite example though, is um

1023
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: with Michelle Obama's speech that Milannia plagiarized or the speechwriter plagiarized.

1024
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: So Milannia gave that speech it was bad, but then

1025
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: when I'm sorry, when when Michelle gave the speech was bad,

1026
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: but then when Milannia gave it it was great. It's like,

1027
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: I wonder what this is really about, all right? Speaking

1028
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: of tinfoil hat theories, my genuine tinfoil hat theory is

1029
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: that Milannia's speechwriter did that on purpose to funk her over.

1030
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: There's been because how else, Like I genuinely I have nightmares,

1031
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: you know, because I write a lot, right, and I

1032
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: have nightmares about some other pundin out there coming up

1033
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: with the same idea the same day that I did

1034
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: and then accusing me of ripping theirs off. You know,

1035
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 1: I can't imagine a speech writer on the national stage

1036
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: thinking you could get away with it. You know. It

1037
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: was my favorite moment like that. That was on a

1038
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: much lesser scale, but it was hilarious. I remember during

1039
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: the debates of twenty the primary debates, you know, they

1040
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: had those like closing statements from the candidates, and Herman

1041
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: Kine he was like, I'm gonna end it with this.

1042
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: Life can be a challenge, Your life can seem impossible,

1043
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: but it's never easy when there's so much on the line.

1044
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: It was like a great poet once said, and it

1045
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: turned out that it was from the Pokemon movie. And

1046
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: then I remember when Herman King dropped out of the election,

1047
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: he gave the same speech any but he prefaced it

1048
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: with he was like, I don't know who said this statement.

1049
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: He's like the liberal media wanted to point at it

1050
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: was from the Pokemon movie. It was like, well, you

1051
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: know the media is going to point that out if

1052
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: you quote the Pokemon movie. The real question though, was

1053
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 1: was the Pokemon movie good? Because I haven't never seen it.

1054
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: I remember that line because I watched Herman Kane this

1055
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: thing so many wasn't There also a memorial put up

1056
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: during the Obama administration for Martin Luther King and they

1057
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: got the quote wrong, something about like history history, history

1058
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: bends towards truth. It was like one of those quotes

1059
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: and they got it wrong. I don't know, And it

1060
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: was like it was literally like Chiselton granted, like it

1061
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 1: wasn't good. I you know, remember I watched a lot

1062
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: of YouTube. I watch a lot of like YouTube foreign

1063
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 1: policy analysis because my house is really exciting. But all

1064
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: the time I'll see these videos come up and I'm like,

1065
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: well that's wrong, Like did you just did you not

1066
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: try just googling it? Like we're talking about thirty seconds

1067
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,280
Speaker 1: of research. You need to find out that that quotes

1068
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: from the Pokemon movie. You know what I mean, Like, well,

1069
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 1: nothing better than I understand operating at that level and

1070
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 1: not bothering to google it. Where is it that the

1071
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: meme of doesn't it? Is there a meme of like

1072
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln and the quote is don't believe everything you

1073
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: read on the internet. My mom got me that for

1074
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 1: Christmas and hanging over my computer. That's great. So, I

1075
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: mean the other main thing we wanted to talk about,

1076
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: so I want to make sure we get to it.

1077
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: Your column, old man, fitness has become like this internet sensation.

1078
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,439
Speaker 1: It's one of the most read things on soft reap

1079
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you listen to the last

1080
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 1: show with Jack, but we were teasing out this episode

1081
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: and the way I put it was that I said

1082
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: that you Alex talked about fitness from a very realistic

1083
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: standpoint and where the Internet is filled with a lot

1084
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: of nonsense and there's a you know, a guy I

1085
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: follow who wants put it that. Um. He compared a

1086
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: lot of these like fitness gurus and supplement gurus on

1087
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: YouTube to tell evangelists, how tell evangelists are are selling

1088
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: you a ticket to heaven if you buy this holy water,

1089
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: and these fitness gurus are are selling you on that

1090
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,240
Speaker 1: you're going to have the perfect body you've always dreamed

1091
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 1: of if you take this one supplement. And I you know,

1092
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: you talk about supplementation and diet and all that, but

1093
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,479
Speaker 1: that that that it's basically a lot of hard work

1094
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 1: to get whatever you know you want to achieve in

1095
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: your fitness goals, like first and foremost, that's awesome that

1096
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: that comparison to tell evangelists, I hadn't heard that before,

1097
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: and let's send you where I got it from. But yeah,

1098
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: that's spot on. But you know, one of my favorite

1099
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: lines in the movie recently was in that Central Intelligence

1100
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: movie with The Rock and Kevin Hart. And Kevin Hart

1101
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: was like, man, you used to be so fat, you know,

1102
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: tell me what was your secret? How did you turn

1103
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: into the Rock? And he's like, I just did one thing.

1104
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: I worked out for four hours a day every day

1105
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: for sixteen years. You know. But but it really is

1106
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: true that So marketing, you know, marketing is what it is.

1107
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: Marketing is propaganda, but not for a government, right, So

1108
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: all of these you know, whether you're selling your own

1109
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: brand of fitness, whether you're selling a supplement, whether you're

1110
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: selling an exercise uh, like you know, equipment. What you're

1111
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: doing is you're trying to convince people that this is

1112
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: that thing that they're missing. This is the reason why

1113
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: they haven't accomplished their fitness goals. It's not because of

1114
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: what they're eating, it's not because of their habits. It's

1115
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: because they're missing the bow flex right, or you're missing

1116
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: these pills. We need to get into our favorite internet

1117
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: marketers at some point my minus Ta Wopez. Yeah, sorry

1118
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: to interrupt. I'll let you guys finish. I'll get into

1119
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: I'll get into tow some other time. That's fair. That's fair.

1120
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: But you always see that on YouTube though, that where

1121
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: you're saying, like the Ferrari and the books. But what

1122
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: I really love is knowledge. I didn't realize who you

1123
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: were talking about, but I am. I have these two

1124
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: Vamborghinis in my garage. But what I really love is knowledge.

1125
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: And I got knowledge from my mentors, and you can

1126
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: get ment Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna have to do

1127
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: dedicate a whole episode. Didn't tell you what it is

1128
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: that guy is selling. To be honest, he's selling fucking bullshit.

1129
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: It's what he's selling. Yeah, well, you know, that is

1130
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: the that is the fitness world. And you know, there's

1131
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: a documentary from a couple of years ago called Bigger, Stronger, Faster,

1132
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: which is it's a great documentary. I really recommend it.

1133
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I love that documentary. Yeah, it's all. And

1134
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: it was the first time that I because when I

1135
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: was on active duty. Man, I was that guy who

1136
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: had like a duffel bag full of supplements. I carried

1137
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: it around with me. If it had like testosterone or

1138
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: extreme in the title, I was like, yeah, man, let's

1139
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: get that ship into me. Let's see what this will do,

1140
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: you know, tapping on his vein like a heroin addict.

1141
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: You know, some people who followed old Me and fitness

1142
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: a scene. I wait, a hundred and fifty pounds as

1143
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: a private first class I walk around like two fifty now.

1144
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: You know. Admittedly some of that's donuts, but but a

1145
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: lot of that is just muscle mass that I put on, honestly,

1146
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: just because it's been twelve years since then and I've

1147
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: worked out every day, you know. But uh, and and

1148
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: old man, strength really does come into play. As your

1149
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: metabolism slows down, it gets easier to bulk up a

1150
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: little bit, you know. But when you look at these supplements,

1151
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: they're not FDA regulated. This is one of the there's

1152
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: a couple of huge pervasive myths in the fitness world,

1153
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: one of them being that supplements are a medicine. Supplements

1154
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: are like a prescription for improvement, and they're not at all.

1155
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: The only way a supplement is gonna be investigated by

1156
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: the FDA as if people start dropping dead. So as

1157
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: long as you don't die, they can put whatever they

1158
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: want in it and call it whatever they want. So

1159
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: a lot of times you'll find, you know, you'll buy

1160
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: a protein powder protein being like not a crazy supplement,

1161
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: it's a totally normal way to legitimately supplement your diet.

1162
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: But if you look at third party analysis, a lot

1163
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: of them are only fifty percent protein even or lower.

1164
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: This is the stuff you'll find on the shelf at Walmart.

1165
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: You know, we're not talking about some shady characters selling

1166
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: it to you in a van, and we're talking about

1167
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 1: you go to G and C and the stuff you're

1168
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: buying is crap, you know. So one of the big

1169
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: things I push in Old Man Fitness is third party analysis.

1170
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: Look for websites that actually use a lab to determine

1171
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 1: what's really in these products and check that out before

1172
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: you give somebody your money, you know, because you might

1173
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: be paying for corn flour, you know, and instead of

1174
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: just protein. I'm not even talking about the stuff that

1175
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 1: claims to be testosterone, which, by the way, if something

1176
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 1: claims to be testosterone, it's not because that's steroids, and

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01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: steroids are illegal for them to sell a g and see.

1178
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 1: So if it says extreme test on the package and

1179
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 1: then you read the back and it says that they

1180
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: can't tell you what's in it because it's their own

1181
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: proprietary blend, it's because it's bullshit. That's another thing I

1182
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 1: was gonna I was gonna mention since you said, um, Bigger, faster, stronger.

1183
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: That I learned from that documentary was that which something

1184
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: says proprietary blend on a wable, it could literally be anything,

1185
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: because it could say like Men's proprietary blend and it

1186
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: has a few different you know, active ingredients in there,

1187
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: but it could be waste with a huge amount of

1188
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: fillers that you're basically just taking a placebo. Absolutely. Now,

1189
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: to be fair, there's something to be said in the

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01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: fitness world for the placebo even more so, I'd argue

1191
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 1: than in the medical world. And that is when I

1192
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 1: spend eighty dollars on a bottle of bullshit, I am

1193
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 1: motivated to get results, you know. So I'm gonna be

1194
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: in the gym. I'm gonna be working hard and telling myself, Man,

1195
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: that was eighty dollars well spent. And you'll see it

1196
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 1: if you go on like a bodybuilding dot com has

1197
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 1: got you know, a lot of great resources on there.

1198
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 1: There's a great store. You can read reviews, and they

1199
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: have this thing called body Space, which is kind of

1200
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: like a Facebook for fitness, right and on there people

1201
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: will list all the supplements that they take, and you know,

1202
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: you can see pictures to them and they'll review their supplements.

1203
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 1: So you can look at the guy and go, wow,

1204
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: look at that guy. I want to get that guy's results,

1205
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna take the same supplements that he's taking.

1206
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: The thing is is that those supplements are one of

1207
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: a lot of variables, you know. So this guy may

1208
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 1: well believe that amino lean, which as a pre workout,

1209
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: I actually like amino lean. But he may believe that

1210
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: amino lean is the reason why you know, he got

1211
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: his body fat from twelve to eight percent, when in

1212
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: reality it could have been any one of a hundred

1213
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 1: other things that he's doing or taking. Uh, but you're

1214
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: gonna be under the impression that it worked. He's under

1215
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 1: the impression that it worked. It's really tough to find

1216
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: out that it's bullshit unless you look at an actual

1217
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: analysis of what's in it that you're taking. You know,

1218
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,439
Speaker 1: but there's a million things like that. A body mass

1219
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: index is another great one. B m I is utter bullshit.

1220
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: You know. Even the guy who invented b m I

1221
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: like two centuries ago, wasn't a doctor. He was a statistician,

1222
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: and he invented b m I as like this broad

1223
01:02:56,520 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: ranging thing for for the government to assess overall levels

1224
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: of obesity and the population. It was never intended to

1225
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: be something you used to measure an individual. It was

1226
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 1: never intended to be something that you took into account

1227
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: for medical reasons. My life insurance policy went up because

1228
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: my b m I lists me is morbidly obese. You know,

1229
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: it's crazy. I probably I probably have you know, body

1230
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 1: fat right now. You know, I'm not cutting or anything.

1231
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 1: I'm I certainly could be tighter, but I'm not. I'm

1232
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: not obese, certainly not morbidly obese. Yeah, you know, b

1233
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: M I is. It's literally just it's even less accurate

1234
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 1: than the tape method. I don't know, Jack what they

1235
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 1: used in the army, and if you were, they use

1236
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 1: the tape. So if you're overweight in the Marine Corps

1237
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 1: by by their standards for your height, they measure your

1238
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: neck and your wrist. They and then they use that

1239
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 1: with a chart to determine what your body fat percentage

1240
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 1: must be based on that. And I remember being joined

1241
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: up with a guy for the CFT, the Combat Fitness Test.

1242
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: You've got a buddy carry guys like fireman carry guys

1243
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 1: and this, And because I was way heavier than my

1244
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: weight restrictions and he was way heavier than his weight restrictions,

1245
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,439
Speaker 1: they just teamed us up together. Even though this dude

1246
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 1: was a just a big bag of ship. He was

1247
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 1: like a sock full of cottage cheese. But he had

1248
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 1: a huge neck. So this huge neck guy is technically

1249
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: within weight standards, you know what I mean. What Meanwhile,

1250
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 1: I've got other guys who are trying to just cut

1251
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 1: five pounds to make it within standards because they have

1252
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: they were blessed with a normal human neck, you know.

1253
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: And and b M I is even worse. You know.

1254
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 1: B M I just takes weight in height. That's it.

1255
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 1: You know. What I think is interesting is the different

1256
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 1: um basically body requirements of the military to what you

1257
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: personally might want to look like. And what I mean

1258
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: by that, there's guys like yourself and other former military

1259
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 1: or former operators who do UM some training of their own.

1260
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 1: They do weight training, but like you, for example, Alex,

1261
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: you look significantly different than when you were a marine

1262
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: because you've bulked up. You're bigger, and and though you

1263
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 1: might be more muscular now, your body type I'm guessing

1264
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 1: and you can correct me on this really would not

1265
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 1: be optimal for a marine. Well, my my natural body type.

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Speaker 1: Jack and I talked about this the other day. I

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Speaker 1: looked like Jack Skellington from The Nightmare Before Christmas's hard

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Speaker 1: to believe. You're a bigger like I. I get a

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Speaker 1: belly really easily, and the rest of me skin and bones,

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Speaker 1: you know. And to be honest, that's actually not that

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Speaker 1: bad for the Marine Corps. The Marine Corps places a

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Speaker 1: big emphasis on running and body weight exercises. You need

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Speaker 1: to be able to run fast for three miles, and

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Speaker 1: you need to be able to do a lot of

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Speaker 1: pull ups. Both of those things lend themselves to being

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Speaker 1: a smaller, lighter guy, you know. Uh. And even when

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Speaker 1: I was in the Marine Corps, you know, as I

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Speaker 1: was getting bigger because I played football in the Marine

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Speaker 1: Corps and then I fought for a while, so I

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Speaker 1: was already lifting pretty hard. But I was still running

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Speaker 1: a lot more than I do now long distance. But

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Speaker 1: even then I was bigger and slower than most of

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Speaker 1: my peers. You know. I always used to joke, you

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Speaker 1: guys will get there first, but when I get there,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna kick the ship out of you, you know, like,

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Speaker 1: just give me a few extra minutes, you know. But

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Speaker 1: the Marine Corps likes you to be lean, you know,

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Speaker 1: And it benefits you for the combat fitness test where

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Speaker 1: you've got to carry somebody that's your same weight, benefits

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Speaker 1: you for the pull ups because you're picking up your

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Speaker 1: own body weight, and it benefits you for the run.

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Speaker 1: But and I don't know how the Army or other

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Speaker 1: branches do it, the Marine Corps does have allowances for

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Speaker 1: exceeding your body weight based on your body composition. You

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Speaker 1: know if like I never I never made weight once

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Speaker 1: after I was a PFC. I think I always had

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Speaker 1: to have someone to go tape me because I was

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Speaker 1: always heavier than I was allowed for the standards, you know.

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Speaker 1: And so I'm not sure how other branches do it,

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Speaker 1: like if they have like you have to be within

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Speaker 1: this and then you can exceed it with this. But

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Speaker 1: it seems to me the Army is a little bit

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Speaker 1: more relaxed on it maybe than the Marine Corps. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting too. I mean, military fitness is you know,

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01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 1: it's predicated on the mission, sure, what I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: also fitness for the masses. It's like mass fitness. You

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01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 1: know what, what can what can we do where we're

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Speaker 1: gonna have forty guys or more, maybe we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a whole company, maybe a whole battalion where I can

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Speaker 1: put these guys into a formation. I can have them

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Speaker 1: spread out, and what kind of p t can I

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Speaker 1: have them do? And so I can have them run,

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01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 1: I have them do push ups and have them do

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Speaker 1: sit ups. It's not like I can't What I can't

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Speaker 1: do is get all of them on the bench press

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01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 1: or a dead lift or something of that nature. And

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Speaker 1: let's be honest, what good is the one rep max

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Speaker 1: in a fight anyway? Right? It really is. There's no

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Speaker 1: practical application for being able to bench for US three

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Speaker 1: sixty pounds, you know. Yeah, but well, I mean there's

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Speaker 1: all kinds of different I I use that as one example,

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Speaker 1: but there are all sorts of other exercises that would

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Speaker 1: definitely be beneficial. I mean, functional fitness is like a

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Speaker 1: big thing that a lot of military guys are into. Now.

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Speaker 1: There are all sorts of exercises that, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: throwing around a medicine ball or kettle bell swings or

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01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 1: whatever the hell it is that you can't have like

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Speaker 1: a whole infantry platoon do, or at least you can't

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Speaker 1: have them do it without a significant investment by the

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01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 1: unit to buy that that fitness equipment. And you also

1331
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 1: have to worry about the potential for injury and things

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Speaker 1: like that. Like as beneficial as it would be, the

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Speaker 1: operational risk management and the cost benefit analysis just takes

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Speaker 1: it off the table. It's like my friend who he's

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Speaker 1: a p J and he runs a I think he

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01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 1: got his his degree in sports medicine and so he

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01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:33,680
Speaker 1: does that now, and he was telling me. He's like

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Speaker 1: he's not like against um, you know, functional fitness or

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01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:39,639
Speaker 1: anything like that, but he's like, I see these guys

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01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 1: doing cross fit and hurting themselves, Like why are we

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01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 1: doing these like complicated Olympic weightlifting routines for time? When

1342
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 1: I can just have that dude run up a hill

1343
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 1: and throw a medicine ball and get the same effect.

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Speaker 1: I can definitely see. You know what, that's a big

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01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 1: criticism of frostfit is that it leads to injury more

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01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 1: so than a lot of other kind of exercise mentalities.

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01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 1: I'm not as anti CrossFit. I think is you'll find guy,

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01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of guys called CrossFit a cult

1349
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I think that there's there's a

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01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 1: place for CrossFit, uh in a well rounded regimen. And

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Speaker 1: this is just my opinion. I'm always I'm never I

1352
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 1: don't want to be the biggest guy in the room,

1353
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:18,760
Speaker 1: and I don't want to be the fastest guy in

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01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 1: the room. I want to be the most well rounded

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01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 1: and capable guy that I can be, you know, and

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Speaker 1: there's there's a place for a lot of the things

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Speaker 1: that CrossFit encourages. But a CrossFit's inherently competitive right. That's

1358
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 1: when I used to have a master Sergeant that I

1359
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 1: worked for who was like a level one cross fit instructor,

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Speaker 1: and he would hold tournaments all the time, and man,

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Speaker 1: it would lead to twisted knees, twisted angles, you know,

1362
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But I will argue that there's something

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01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 1: to be said for having that competitive nature in your

1364
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 1: workout when you're the type of guy who joins the military.

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Speaker 1: A lot of times you're also a competitive guy and

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a better workout in if I'm trying

1367
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Speaker 1: to beat Todd Hodges, you know, to my three under threat.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because I think I got into fit, fitness

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01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 1: and lifting because I'm actually not like a competitive sports guy.

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Speaker 1: I kind of like the idea that it's just basically

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01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 1: you against you, and you know, you trying to be

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Speaker 1: better than you were every time that you're in there. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know it's awesome about fitness, man, is that it

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01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 1: can be whatever you needed to be. I mean, as

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01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: someone who lifts too and I don't really lift heavy,

1376
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:24,759
Speaker 1: people always ask like how much do you bench and stuff?

1377
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 1: And to be honest, I have no idea. I'm more

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01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 1: into going in there and benching whatemever, whatever I'm doing

1379
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 1: or whatever exercise I'm doing till failure, and that's just

1380
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 1: an effective tool no matter what you're doing. If you

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01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,719
Speaker 1: could do, you know, ten sets of something, ten reps

1382
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 1: of something forever, how many sets are gonna do until

1383
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 1: you can't really do it effectively? With good form, you're

1384
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 1: going to get a good workout in as opposed to

1385
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 1: I think the guy who goes in there say that again. Sorry,

1386
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 1: Lifting until failure is one of the fastest ways to develop,

1387
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:57,760
Speaker 1: for sure, and I think you're going to see more

1388
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:00,160
Speaker 1: results than being the guy who thinks the hold him

1389
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 1: is looking at him and saying, I'm gonna one rep this,

1390
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 1: you know, for I'm just gonna do one rep with

1391
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 1: my max? Did you really get a good work at

1392
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 1: and then I don't think so. Well, that's that's an

1393
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 1: important thing to take into account. Fitness is whatever you

1394
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 1: need it to be, so I agree, don't be that

1395
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 1: guy who's worried about the gym looking at you at

1396
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: that one rep max. However, if you're the dude who

1397
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 1: your whole fitness goal is to get that one rep max,

1398
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 1: you want to be able to benure, yeah, more power

1399
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 1: to you. You know what I mean. That's one of

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01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 1: the things I try to touch on in old Man

1401
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 1: fitness is your fitness goals are your own, and the

1402
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 1: pathway to it is your own. There are things that

1403
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 1: you can do along the way that will improve your

1404
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 1: chances at getting there, you know. And one big part

1405
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 1: of that is cutting through the bullshit. But another big

1406
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 1: part of it, and you just touched on it, is

1407
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 1: to stop being so worried about that other guy, the

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01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:53,560
Speaker 1: other guys in the gym looking at you. Yeah, no

1409
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 1: one is. I think that's what stops a lot of

1410
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 1: people from getting started. Like I don't want to be

1411
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 1: in there lifting pushy away and at the end of

1412
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:04,520
Speaker 1: the day, man, I've I've been in there lifting extremely

1413
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:06,559
Speaker 1: white weight because it'll be the end of my workout

1414
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 1: and you know, I've already done everything with you know,

1415
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 1: higher weights, and you're you're wrapping up your set. People

1416
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 1: don't know when you got there or doing a long time.

1417
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 1: And I'm a pretty big guy, and I worry about

1418
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 1: that ship, you know. Like when my best buddy comes

1419
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:24,560
Speaker 1: to visit and we lift together, I'm like, I know

1420
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 1: he knows what I can bench press. You know, it

1421
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, But at the same time, I'm like, well,

1422
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 1: if this is an off day for me and I

1423
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 1: can't put that weight up, he's gonna go home and

1424
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:35,080
Speaker 1: being like Alex is slacking. You know, I worry, but

1425
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:37,559
Speaker 1: it's hard to turn it off, is what I'm saying.

1426
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 1: You know, but nobody gives a ship what you're doing. Yeah,

1427
01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 1: you know when you everybody's so wrapped up and worried

1428
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 1: about how they look. They don't give a ship how

1429
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:48,679
Speaker 1: you look unless you're doing something real dumb and people

1430
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 1: are taking pictures of it to put on Facebook. I

1431
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 1: don't wish. Yeah, it's honestly not cool. Like, at the

1432
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 1: end of the day, if not one who who does

1433
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 1: lift and is more experience, you should be helping those

1434
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:02,599
Speaker 1: people out, not putting up Jim fail videos on Facebook. Yeah,

1435
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 1: like I remember when I was that dumb asshole. You

1436
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Just because I know what I'm

1437
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 1: doing now doesn't mean I always did. And to be honest,

1438
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 1: when I when I go to the gym and I

1439
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 1: see the person who's like five dred pounds on the treadmill,

1440
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 1: but they're they're multiple times a week. I've seen there

1441
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 1: for months unmotivated and end at my gym. There's multiple

1442
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 1: people I see there that are amputees in far better

1443
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:25,800
Speaker 1: shape than me, and like, to me, that's the most

1444
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 1: motivating thing. It's like, you know, if if they could

1445
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 1: do it, I could do it. For me. The most

1446
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 1: motivating thing is trying not to buy new pants. That's

1447
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just like, oh, these pants are good tightly.

1448
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 1: The words of my old squad leader can come back

1449
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:44,720
Speaker 1: to me where you know, he told me. He's like,

1450
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 1: you know, in your you know, in your twenties, before

1451
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 1: you turn thirty, your goal is to be like really

1452
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:52,679
Speaker 1: ripped and cut up and everything, and you know, after

1453
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 1: your thirty your goal is just to be not fat. Yeah. Well,

1454
01:13:57,240 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 1: you know I remember having a six pack and it

1455
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:02,600
Speaker 1: was terrible. You know, like I was always watching what

1456
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 1: I was eating. My buddies would be like, hey, you

1457
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 1: want to grab a beer, and I'd be like, I can't.

1458
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 1: You know. I know people like that too, and like

1459
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 1: I respect the amount of work they put into what

1460
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:13,719
Speaker 1: they do. It is a it's a it's a work,

1461
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 1: a lot of work, and it's a lifestyle, you know,

1462
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 1: it is it's not just the gym. To be a

1463
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 1: person with three percent body fat is a twenty four

1464
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 1: hour a day gig, you know, and it's like I

1465
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, you're kind of missing out on

1466
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 1: something in life. I can't help but feel that way too.

1467
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 1: You know. You see guys like Hugh Jackman is a

1468
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 1: great example. You know, when you watch the first Bolverine

1469
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 1: movie or the first X Men movie from like, Hugh

1470
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 1: Jackman just looks like a schlubby dude, like a regular

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01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:43,240
Speaker 1: guy with a weird haircut. Fast forward, you know, eighteen

1472
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 1: years to Logan where he's supposed to be playing an old,

1473
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 1: decrepit guy, and he still has like zero percent body fat.

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01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 1: It looks like you could care Cardora. But what people

1475
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 1: don't realize is that Hugh Jackman doesn't look like that

1476
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 1: right now. Hugh Jackman doesn't walk around vascular as hell,

1477
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like that, Dehydrated cutting is

1478
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 1: a process that you go through. Bodybuilders do it for competitions.

1479
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:10,599
Speaker 1: Bodybuilders are at their weakest point when they're on that stage.

1480
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 1: You know, they've been hydrating themselves, they've been cutting for

1481
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:18,639
Speaker 1: you know, in some cases weeks leading up to getting there.

1482
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 1: That you're never going to find a less physically capable

1483
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 1: bodybuilder than right coming off the stage. Yeah, there's been

1484
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 1: back stage for that reason. And yeah, yeah, absolutely, you know.

1485
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:32,600
Speaker 1: But but we have this new idea that what fitnesses

1486
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:37,720
Speaker 1: is vascular, zero percent body fat. You know, men are

1487
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 1: supposed to be v shaped. If you have any belly,

1488
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 1: you're out of shape, you know, things like that. And

1489
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:44,479
Speaker 1: that's what that's the myth, the biggest myth that I

1490
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 1: try to break with the old man fitness columns. It's

1491
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,560
Speaker 1: basically like, listen, guys, I work hard to maintain my

1492
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:53,559
Speaker 1: two pack, you know what I mean, Like I understand

1493
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 1: that I'm going to carry a little bit of body

1494
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 1: fed on me. I've got a six month old daughter.

1495
01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 1: A lot of times dinners hot pockets over the sink

1496
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 1: while she take to that for ten minutes, you know.

1497
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 1: And also, since this is you know, soft rep radio,

1498
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 1: I mean, a lot of dudes, you know, they come

1499
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 1: out of the military and I think it's great you

1500
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 1: continue that physical training, but they also don't understand, like

1501
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:15,640
Speaker 1: in the military, like you get respect for being you know,

1502
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 1: cut up and being able to lift and stuff. You're

1503
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 1: coming into the civilian world and you're like, oh, I

1504
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 1: can deadlift five pounds or whatever. No one fucking cares man. Literally,

1505
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 1: no one gives a ship. Yeah, you know, I can't

1506
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 1: tell you the only times I've ever asked a question

1507
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:33,000
Speaker 1: like how much I can bench or something like that,

1508
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 1: it's always from another dude, I know, from the Marine

1509
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:37,680
Speaker 1: Corps and stuff like that. I've never gone on a

1510
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 1: job interview and been asked that question. Yeah, or maybe

1511
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 1: it's like your grandpa or something and you tell him

1512
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 1: a number and he like forgets it the second it's

1513
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 1: out of your mouth. You know, that's cool. My wife

1514
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 1: could not give a ship how much bench press? You know,

1515
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 1: it's important to me. I'll admit this, Like you know,

1516
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 1: when we're talking about one rep max is, I couldn't

1517
01:16:58,320 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 1: tell you the last time I've done a one rep

1518
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 1: because I left by myself in my basement, you know.

1519
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 1: I usually I try to aim for three rep maxes,

1520
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 1: and I don't put clips on the bar because I

1521
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:08,760
Speaker 1: know there's a chance I'm gonna have to drop all

1522
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:12,720
Speaker 1: the weight, you know. But I do keep track of

1523
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:15,680
Speaker 1: my own personal best for my own sake. Yeah, that

1524
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 1: makes sense because then you know when you're giving it

1525
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 1: or you know, yeah, you know, and and it also

1526
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:22,560
Speaker 1: it lets me know, oh, I'm doing better than I

1527
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 1: was six months ago, you know, And yeah, go ahead.

1528
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 1: I know. I wanted to get into your your latest

1529
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 1: old man's fitness because it actually um struck a chord

1530
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 1: with me getting back into the game after losing your way. UM,

1531
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 1: I want to get into the piece. If I could

1532
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 1: tell you, I know, my own personal anecdote, and I

1533
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:42,760
Speaker 1: don't think you mind UM sharing this. If you do,

1534
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:45,599
Speaker 1: I could cut it out. But we've we've we were

1535
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 1: talking actually when you were here in New York last

1536
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 1: week about having depression, um, which I do. And I

1537
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 1: went through like a crazy time which Jack knows about

1538
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 1: like a year and a half ago. And the reason

1539
01:17:55,640 --> 01:18:00,120
Speaker 1: I bring this up is because it actually affects everything ing.

1540
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 1: And I know this from a physical standpoint because I

1541
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:05,599
Speaker 1: took a blood test while I was going through that time,

1542
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 1: and then I took a blood test when I was

1543
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 1: back to my old itself, and my testosterone like fucking

1544
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 1: just boosted like crazy. And I'm definitely not on anything.

1545
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 1: And it's it's because and that's why you feel like

1546
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 1: I can't, I can't work out. You literally just want

1547
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 1: to sleep all day. So I know what it feels

1548
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:25,080
Speaker 1: like to to get back to something after losing your way,

1549
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 1: whether it's as you talk about, like a death in

1550
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 1: the family, having a child, or it's just your own

1551
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 1: personal struggles where you you just feel like you can't

1552
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 1: work out, you don't have the physical capabilities to do

1553
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 1: what you were once to doing. You're totally and you

1554
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 1: touch upon two important things. The first one I'll touch

1555
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:45,600
Speaker 1: on briefly, your testosterone levels were much higher when you

1556
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:47,680
Speaker 1: were back to your normal self and working out. Part

1557
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:49,640
Speaker 1: of that A lot of people lose sight of this

1558
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 1: is because your body maintains a lot of your testosterone

1559
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 1: stored and your quads and your glutes, your thighs and

1560
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:58,720
Speaker 1: your ass. You know, So when people ask me how

1561
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:00,639
Speaker 1: to increase their bench, one of the first things I'll

1562
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:03,560
Speaker 1: tell them is to make sure you're working legs, you know,

1563
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 1: and people lose sight of that because that doesn't make sense.

1564
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 1: You know, I'm trying to make my upper body stronger.

1565
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 1: But when you work your quads and your glutes, you

1566
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 1: release more of that testosterone that's stored in your body,

1567
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 1: and you improve your chances of getting better all the

1568
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 1: way around. You burn more fat, you have more energy,

1569
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:21,640
Speaker 1: you build more muscle, more quickly. That's important, But like

1570
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 1: you're talking about, it will also have an effect on

1571
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:27,560
Speaker 1: your emotional well being, you know, exercise in general. We

1572
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:31,360
Speaker 1: all know exercise can help you feel better. You know. Uh,

1573
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:35,559
Speaker 1: doctors will always recommend people who are diagnosed with clinical

1574
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:39,400
Speaker 1: depression try exercising more because it really does in a

1575
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 1: lot of ways. A lot of studies will tell you

1576
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:44,559
Speaker 1: exercise is more effective than antidepressants. Yeah, I've read studies

1577
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 1: off that say, like St. John's Ward is more effective

1578
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 1: than antidepressions. I'm not depressants, don't. This is a whole

1579
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 1: different conversation. But you know, I'll readily admit that I

1580
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:58,879
Speaker 1: take antidepressants because I think it's important that more veterans

1581
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:02,679
Speaker 1: admit that. I think it's important that we that guys

1582
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 1: look at me and they go, well, Alex seems normal enough,

1583
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 1: you know. And I'm a medicated guy, you know, and

1584
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:11,559
Speaker 1: I'm and I'm happy to admit it because I think

1585
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:13,560
Speaker 1: I'm happy to admit it because I used to be

1586
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 1: so reluctant to admit it. And I realized that that

1587
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 1: was the problem. Right on that said, just like you

1588
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:22,439
Speaker 1: and I were talking about, I took some time off

1589
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 1: not that long ago. I was going through some stuff,

1590
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 1: and I got progressively worse, you know, until one day

1591
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, you know, I'm just gonna make

1592
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 1: myself go down and get in the gym. It had

1593
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 1: nothing to do with me trying to feel better in general,

1594
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:37,720
Speaker 1: and everything to do with just trying to overcome this

1595
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 1: like the daily guilt of skipping my work out, you know.

1596
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 1: And I went back down. I had maybe taken three

1597
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:44,599
Speaker 1: weeks off. I went back down and started working out

1598
01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:49,599
Speaker 1: and felt like noticeably better, you know, and the rest

1599
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:52,120
Speaker 1: of the day and the following day, and I realized

1600
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 1: part of my problem was that I was doing nothing,

1601
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 1: you know. I took this like I gave myself three

1602
01:20:57,520 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 1: weeks of like of a pity. I gave myself a

1603
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 1: three week pity party, thinking that it would make me

1604
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:04,640
Speaker 1: feel better, and instead it made me feel worse. You know.

1605
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 1: But like I was talking about in that article, the

1606
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:09,840
Speaker 1: longer you take off, the harder it is to start again,

1607
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 1: right because when you're sitting on the couch, you don't

1608
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 1: feel like you've got an overwhelming amount of time that

1609
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 1: you can devote to new new things. Jack, You're a

1610
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 1: great example. I don't think that I've ever once talked

1611
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 1: to you where you didn't have sixteen projects going on? Right?

1612
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 1: Pretty common? Yeah, you know, like, in fact, more often

1613
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:31,120
Speaker 1: than that when I talked to Jack, you know, offline,

1614
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 1: you know, not in front of people. It's about Jack

1615
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 1: trying to delegate some of the eight hundred tasks he's

1616
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:39,800
Speaker 1: got because these are all important stories or projects and

1617
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 1: he doesn't have enough band with to devote to all

1618
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 1: of them. Now, imagine Jack, if you were to take

1619
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 1: one of the daily obligations that you currently have off

1620
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 1: the table, uh and just remove it for three weeks,

1621
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 1: it would be really hard for you to put that

1622
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:54,880
Speaker 1: back in three weeks from now, because your schedule hasn't

1623
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 1: gotten easier. Right. So, if you're the type of guy

1624
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:00,720
Speaker 1: who works out an hour a day and then you

1625
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 1: stop doing it for a month or six months or

1626
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:07,679
Speaker 1: a year, your life absorbs that hour and you find

1627
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 1: other obligations to fill it with, whether it's your family

1628
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:12,800
Speaker 1: or work, or just giving yourself a chance to sit

1629
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 1: on the couch for a minute, you know, which we

1630
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:17,599
Speaker 1: all need to do. Right. But so it's really easy

1631
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:20,719
Speaker 1: to justify not coming back. It's really hard to justify

1632
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 1: coming back, you know. The biggest complaint people always tell

1633
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 1: me about getting back into shape is I don't have

1634
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 1: time and uh, And I always tell them, I'm asking

1635
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 1: you for your day. You know your day, even you know,

1636
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:38,600
Speaker 1: thirty minutes is plenty of time. But it's hard on

1637
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 1: a day to day basis to fit that thirty minutes in.

1638
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:44,599
Speaker 1: Until you start doing it, and one is gonna happen.

1639
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 1: It's easy. One of the things I noticed is that

1640
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 1: when you do fit that hour into your day or

1641
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:54,320
Speaker 1: whatever it is, you become more effective with your other tasks. Absolutely,

1642
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 1: it affects everything. Well. You know, today is a great example.

1643
01:22:57,880 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 1: I knew I was gonna come on with you guys

1644
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 1: early in the afternoon, so I got up early to

1645
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:03,880
Speaker 1: make sure that I was at a place in my

1646
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 1: work that i'd feel comfortable with taking an hour or

1647
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:09,200
Speaker 1: two off to shoot the ship with you guys. You know,

1648
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 1: you end up making adjustments in your schedule for your obligations,

1649
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:15,880
Speaker 1: but you gotta treat working out as an obligation. It's

1650
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 1: an appointment that you're making, you know, it's I certainly

1651
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 1: wouldn't cancel a meeting with Jack. Jack is my boss's boss, right,

1652
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:25,800
Speaker 1: so I shouldn't cancel a meeting with my gem either.

1653
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:28,720
Speaker 1: You know. It's if anything, I could argue that there

1654
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 1: are longer term ramifications of ignoring my health then there

1655
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 1: are of ignoring my job. Yeah. For me, there's a

1656
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:37,840
Speaker 1: lot of uh saying no to things you know to

1657
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:41,760
Speaker 1: to do fitness, but it's it honestly doesn't feel like

1658
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 1: a sacrifice to me. You guys kind of know, like

1659
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 1: I don't really go out to bars and drink. I'm

1660
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 1: I'm invited to do that thing. When you eat eat

1661
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 1: like weird fucking fruit bowls and like fish burritos all

1662
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 1: the time, it's no wonder you're skinny, man, you eat healthy.

1663
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:59,320
Speaker 1: But right now I am actually over the winter, I

1664
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:01,400
Speaker 1: was eating a one but I I would be I

1665
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 1: would look at anorexic if I didn't eat a ton

1666
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 1: at certain points. But right now, yeah, I'm kind of

1667
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 1: I guess you would say dieting on some level. As

1668
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:11,680
Speaker 1: I told Jack, I was following Ian around New York

1669
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 1: City being like, does anybody self fucking French fries in

1670
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:17,880
Speaker 1: the city. I've I've actually been eating like a pest

1671
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 1: gutarian type diet for the most part these past couple

1672
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:22,800
Speaker 1: of weeks and I'm enjoying it, Like I like fish

1673
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 1: a lot. So you know, for me, it's not a

1674
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:28,639
Speaker 1: sacrifice going out and drinking with people or going out

1675
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:32,559
Speaker 1: and networking. It's like it's not my thing. But if

1676
01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:35,320
Speaker 1: you say yes to all those things, yeah, you are

1677
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:37,800
Speaker 1: going to find that you don't have the time to

1678
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 1: work out. I mean, I could fill my day with

1679
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:42,599
Speaker 1: plenty of other things, but to me, working out as

1680
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:45,640
Speaker 1: a commitment, uh, because I want to look good. But

1681
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:48,200
Speaker 1: beyond that, for my own mental health, I realized, like

1682
01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:51,439
Speaker 1: when I don't work out for a week, like I

1683
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:55,000
Speaker 1: become a depressed mess and I am not myself and

1684
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 1: I'm irritable and I'm not the positive person that I

1685
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:00,680
Speaker 1: think people perceived me to be. So it's just, you know,

1686
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:02,640
Speaker 1: it's important that you take note of the fact that, like,

1687
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:05,640
Speaker 1: so that's that's your fitness endeavor, right and as a

1688
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:08,479
Speaker 1: part of that, you're happy to skip the bar, you

1689
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:09,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And I know you're not a

1690
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 1: big drinker and things like that. Other guys out there

1691
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 1: though that might be there one thing, you know what

1692
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:17,559
Speaker 1: I mean, Like that, like we've all got like those

1693
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 1: one or two things that get us through the day.

1694
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:20,519
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, the thing that you're looking

1695
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 1: forward to doing for you, It might be I p

1696
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 1: a s you know what I mean. For another, I'm

1697
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:27,720
Speaker 1: a big vodka drinker myself, but my favorite thing in

1698
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:29,679
Speaker 1: the world is to get kind of drunk watching Netflix

1699
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 1: with my wife because I'm boring, but like I put

1700
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:34,720
Speaker 1: in a lot of vodka calories in my diet. You know,

1701
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:37,640
Speaker 1: for me, there's there's genuinely nothing I can say I

1702
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:40,200
Speaker 1: enjoy more than going to the gym or going for

1703
01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 1: a run, like that is my favorite thing. There are

1704
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 1: Friday night I can't I mean, I do make time

1705
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 1: for my friends and all that, but there there are

1706
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:49,639
Speaker 1: times on a Friday night where I skip at hanging

1707
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:52,280
Speaker 1: out with people that I like because I want to

1708
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:54,320
Speaker 1: get a late night work at in and I enjoy it,

1709
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 1: Like there's nothing I personally enjoy more. And what's important

1710
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:01,840
Speaker 1: is that everybody finds that angle, you know what I mean.

1711
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:03,800
Speaker 1: So for me, I like to work out when I

1712
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:05,599
Speaker 1: finished my work day because it's a way to turn

1713
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:08,559
Speaker 1: my brain off, right. But I also like to work

1714
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 1: out because it justifies the bad decisions that I might

1715
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 1: make later. You know, a lot of people work out

1716
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 1: that way when I do cardio, I count it in

1717
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 1: terms of bud lights, you know what I mean, Like

1718
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 1: every fifteen minutes is another beer that I can, you know,

1719
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 1: pretend it's okay to drink. There's nothing wrong with your

1720
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 1: method or mine, right, because we're because we're on different

1721
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 1: paths up the same mountain. Right. And a big part

1722
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:32,479
Speaker 1: of old Man fitness is understanding that if you read

1723
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 1: muscle and fitness from cover to cover, it's gonna disagree

1724
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 1: with itself multiple times. Yeah, there's gonna be a lot

1725
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 1: of ads, you know. Uh, And the reason for that

1726
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 1: is because the fitness journey is different for everyone. What

1727
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 1: works for you may not work for me. What works

1728
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:52,240
Speaker 1: for her may not work for the next person. Uh,

1729
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:54,720
Speaker 1: You've got to keep trying different things. It's just like

1730
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 1: martial arts, you know, when I've trained with a lot

1731
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:01,040
Speaker 1: of different coaches and a lot of different sciplines, and

1732
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 1: the one thing that I picked up throughout is that

1733
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:06,599
Speaker 1: not everything works for me. Yeah. You know, some techniques

1734
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 1: that you show me for a wrist lock, I might

1735
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 1: just not be capable of doing smoothly or effectively, you know,

1736
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 1: So I take the stuff that works for me. I

1737
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:16,720
Speaker 1: disregard the stuff that doesn't, maybe I try to manipulate

1738
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:18,280
Speaker 1: it a little bit so that it will fit within

1739
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:21,160
Speaker 1: my my skill set, and I move forward. You know,

1740
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 1: I just I take what works, I disregard what does it,

1741
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 1: and I keep moving forward. Absorb what is useful, discard

1742
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:30,920
Speaker 1: what is not at what is uniquely your own. That's

1743
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:34,200
Speaker 1: a try to live by that with everything you know.

1744
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 1: This is not conventional wisdom, but for skinnier guys trying

1745
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 1: to put on some muscle, as someone who has done

1746
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 1: like the wrong thing over time and has finally seen

1747
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 1: more results, like this is not what you'll read, but

1748
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:50,560
Speaker 1: I would say, like, eat a lot of burritos, cheeseburgers

1749
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:53,680
Speaker 1: and and you know, corn muffins and things like that

1750
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 1: because otherwise, and don't do a lot of cardio if

1751
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:58,360
Speaker 1: you want at least put on some weight and muscle,

1752
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:00,640
Speaker 1: because I feel like you need to each build some

1753
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 1: type of foundation and then you could you can get

1754
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 1: fit from there. But if you're the trainer and wants

1755
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 1: to argue with you about the types of foods, right,

1756
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:11,320
Speaker 1: because I worked as a personal trainer for a long

1757
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 1: time and I could never in good conscious be like, yeah, man,

1758
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 1: what you need is more burritos. I think it's but

1759
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:19,960
Speaker 1: there is a lot of truth to You need a

1760
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 1: caloric surplus to gain mass. Right, everybody wants two things.

1761
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 1: They want more muscle mass and less body fat. Right.

1762
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:29,880
Speaker 1: But there's a reason why bodybuilders go through bulking and

1763
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:34,480
Speaker 1: cutting stages. Because you can bulk or you can cut effectively.

1764
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 1: You can't really do both at once. Yeah, people think

1765
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:41,200
Speaker 1: that they could. You know, the the fictitious thing you

1766
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:43,679
Speaker 1: hear all the time is I'm gonna convert this fat

1767
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:47,040
Speaker 1: to muscle. You can't convert fat. No, that's impossible. Yeah,

1768
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:49,960
Speaker 1: you can't do that, you know. So what what bodybuilders

1769
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:51,599
Speaker 1: tend to do is they'll go through a stage where

1770
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 1: they're eating NonStop. They look bloated. They even look like that,

1771
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 1: I mean more than the regular distended bodybuilder belly you

1772
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:00,800
Speaker 1: get from H G H Choose. But you know, they

1773
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:05,320
Speaker 1: look bloated because they're not worried about caloric intake. So well,

1774
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 1: they are worried about it. They're eating ten times a day,

1775
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 1: really calorically dense foods because you need something to make

1776
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 1: muscle mass out of muscle masses and just made out

1777
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:18,120
Speaker 1: of amino acids and protein shakes, right, you need calories

1778
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 1: for energy to burn, you need a caloric surplus to

1779
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:23,799
Speaker 1: build mass. But then when you get to the cutting stage,

1780
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 1: that's when you're gonna start reducing your caloric intake. That's

1781
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:28,960
Speaker 1: when you need a caloric deficit to cut the body

1782
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 1: fat off, but inherently you're gonna lose some muscle mass

1783
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:35,400
Speaker 1: at the same time. The idea of being no bodybuilders

1784
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:37,719
Speaker 1: tend to end up looking bigger during their cutting stages

1785
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:41,120
Speaker 1: because they're not as puffy, they're more defined, and definition

1786
01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:44,720
Speaker 1: tends to look bigger, you know. But when it comes

1787
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:47,600
Speaker 1: to trying to gain mass and cut fat at the

1788
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:52,320
Speaker 1: same time, it's possible to do. It's a much longer road, right,

1789
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:54,720
Speaker 1: So there's a real there's real truth to like, Hey,

1790
01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:56,720
Speaker 1: if you're a skinny guy and you're trying to gain

1791
01:29:56,840 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 1: muscle mass, eat more food. Yeah. There's a lot of

1792
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 1: skinny dudes though, who you know, look like I used

1793
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:06,840
Speaker 1: to look, and they don't work out, and they're like,

1794
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get in shape, I'm gonna run a marathon.

1795
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:12,320
Speaker 1: It's like, that's probably not what you wanna do. That's well,

1796
01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:14,519
Speaker 1: it depends maybe that's you know, maybe that's your body type.

1797
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:16,719
Speaker 1: You know, some dudes want to look like Lance Armstrong

1798
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:18,439
Speaker 1: and some dudes want to look like Arnold Swartzon. But

1799
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:20,040
Speaker 1: I just mean, if you're a skinny dude who wants

1800
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:22,760
Speaker 1: to make a significant change to your body type, doing

1801
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:24,720
Speaker 1: a ton of cardio is not going to do that

1802
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:26,720
Speaker 1: for you. That's fair. It's not going to change your

1803
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 1: body type. That's so if you're if you want to

1804
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:31,000
Speaker 1: be a bulky guy, running isn't the answer. You know.

1805
01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:34,599
Speaker 1: Luke Ryan is another writer on the site. Uh, he's

1806
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:37,200
Speaker 1: really awesome dude, but he and I have very different

1807
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:42,040
Speaker 1: perspectives about fitness. Luke enjoys running, you know, the Odyssean

1808
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:45,559
Speaker 1: enjoys running. As far as I'm concerned, that's fucking insane.

1809
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:48,720
Speaker 1: Once you ever enjoy running, that's the worst thing in

1810
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:51,680
Speaker 1: the world, you know. But you know, Luke's got a

1811
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:53,360
Speaker 1: different body types than I do. Maybe we have a

1812
01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:56,960
Speaker 1: similar body type to start, but we're both fifteen years

1813
01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:00,479
Speaker 1: down different different paths, you know, And there's there's nothing

1814
01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:03,439
Speaker 1: wrong with his versus my mentality when it comes to fitness,

1815
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 1: because it is what you want it to be, you know,

1816
01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:07,960
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that I could win a

1817
01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:11,000
Speaker 1: fight if I need to. But I haven't been in

1818
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:14,200
Speaker 1: a fight in a long time, you know. I I

1819
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 1: will argue this though. Being a bigger guy makes it

1820
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:19,120
Speaker 1: easier to avoid a fight, you know, because when when

1821
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 1: you're in a bar, some guys want to fight the

1822
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:23,080
Speaker 1: big guy. But for the most part, they're like, I'm

1823
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:24,840
Speaker 1: not going to fight that guy. And I'm like, that's great.

1824
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:27,320
Speaker 1: You don't know that I've got bridle bones, my knees

1825
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:29,679
Speaker 1: hurt right now standing. I don't want to fight either,

1826
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:33,280
Speaker 1: you know. But but there there's nothing wrong with whatever

1827
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:36,160
Speaker 1: your fitness goals are. But if you're looking to get

1828
01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:40,040
Speaker 1: there in the most efficient means, there's definitely information out

1829
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:42,599
Speaker 1: there that can help or hurt you, depending on where

1830
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:44,200
Speaker 1: you get it from. And that that's what I try

1831
01:31:44,240 --> 01:31:46,280
Speaker 1: to touch on an old man fitness, and I love

1832
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:48,200
Speaker 1: that you do it. Uh. You know, I could talk

1833
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 1: about this holiday because to me, fitness is just like

1834
01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:54,120
Speaker 1: my escape from you know, the matrix, if you will.

1835
01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:56,519
Speaker 1: Because when I when I go to the gym or

1836
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:58,720
Speaker 1: when I go for a run outside, I leave my

1837
01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:01,880
Speaker 1: phone at home. People make fun of like that small

1838
01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:03,760
Speaker 1: little iPod and I know I have because no one

1839
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:06,280
Speaker 1: uses it anymore. But like the reason I do there's

1840
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:09,040
Speaker 1: no distractions. It's just my music. There's nothing else you

1841
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:13,080
Speaker 1: could possibly do with that thing, And sometimes I get

1842
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:16,200
Speaker 1: so it's such an escape for me, and I think

1843
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:19,599
Speaker 1: we talked about this. I'll be doing a workout, doing

1844
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:24,080
Speaker 1: whatever routine it is and whatever repetitive moment movements, and

1845
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:26,599
Speaker 1: I realized I don't even know what song is playing,

1846
01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:29,679
Speaker 1: you know, like because I just have my my iPod

1847
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:33,000
Speaker 1: on random. So my work because I listen to you

1848
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:35,799
Speaker 1: guys work out, You're telling me, yeah, but my workout

1849
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:38,760
Speaker 1: will be um, you know, I'll have like MegaNet Fit

1850
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:40,880
Speaker 1: Metalgon and I'll just have it on random, and then

1851
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:43,680
Speaker 1: I'll realize that hasn't working out. It's like, why am

1852
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:47,519
Speaker 1: I listening to Gloria Estefun while while working on it.

1853
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:49,840
Speaker 1: It's like, because I have that on my iPod, but uh,

1854
01:32:50,240 --> 01:32:53,040
Speaker 1: I won't even notice it because I'm so into what

1855
01:32:53,240 --> 01:32:56,080
Speaker 1: my body is doing that like I've blocked out all

1856
01:32:56,120 --> 01:32:58,360
Speaker 1: the other senses and it's just a great feeling. Part

1857
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 1: part of my problem is totally different that like physical

1858
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:05,880
Speaker 1: training of any type I associate with the military. So

1859
01:33:06,439 --> 01:33:08,200
Speaker 1: I mean, like even when I was a kid, Like

1860
01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:10,720
Speaker 1: the reason why I started working out and exercising all

1861
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:12,679
Speaker 1: the time was to get ready to go into the military.

1862
01:33:13,160 --> 01:33:15,559
Speaker 1: And to this day, like when I start working out,

1863
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 1: when I start like fucking with kettle bells, I start

1864
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:21,519
Speaker 1: running on a treadmill, I like, my brain goes to

1865
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:24,960
Speaker 1: some weird places, like you feel like you're at work. No, No,

1866
01:33:25,160 --> 01:33:26,800
Speaker 1: it's even worse than that. It's that I feel like

1867
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to war, because that's what's that's what I

1868
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:33,040
Speaker 1: associate all of that with. Um So, I don't know,

1869
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:36,519
Speaker 1: because because you have a practical basis for fitness in

1870
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:39,840
Speaker 1: your mind and a lot of others. It was not

1871
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:42,280
Speaker 1: like something I did just for my physical health or

1872
01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:43,800
Speaker 1: something that I did as a hobby. It was like

1873
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:46,040
Speaker 1: something like this is to prepare you to go to war,

1874
01:33:46,479 --> 01:33:49,120
Speaker 1: and like I still associate with it in my mind.

1875
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:52,439
Speaker 1: Um So, yeah, my brain goes to some strange places,

1876
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:55,200
Speaker 1: like I don't have these like you know, out of

1877
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:58,880
Speaker 1: body experiences that you have. Yeah, I don't know. I

1878
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:00,800
Speaker 1: mean that's just that's how it is from But I've

1879
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:04,960
Speaker 1: I've also so years ago I read this book called

1880
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:07,280
Speaker 1: The Way of the Peaceful Warrior by Dan Milman, and

1881
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:09,800
Speaker 1: uh the premise of the book was that he was

1882
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:12,360
Speaker 1: like an Olympic level gymnast who got hurt in a

1883
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:15,280
Speaker 1: motorcycle accident and kind of he went through kind of

1884
01:34:15,320 --> 01:34:20,160
Speaker 1: like an Eastern philosophical journey to become okay with himself again.

1885
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:21,920
Speaker 1: But one of the one of the elements of the

1886
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:24,120
Speaker 1: book that really ranked true for me was this idea

1887
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:27,000
Speaker 1: of satory, which I probably a pronouncing wrong and can

1888
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:29,560
Speaker 1: get the Odyssean in here to fix it. But the

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Speaker 1: satory is basically this idea that you live entirely within

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Speaker 1: the moment. You have no concept of the past or

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Speaker 1: the future. Right. So an example I could give is

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01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:40,559
Speaker 1: Jack Up, I threw a football to you right now.

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01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:43,160
Speaker 1: During that instant that the football was in the year

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01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:46,320
Speaker 1: coming towards you, you're not thinking about your electric bill,

1895
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:48,439
Speaker 1: You're not thinking about what you had for breakfast today.

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01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:51,640
Speaker 1: You're focused on that ball coming and taking action to

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Speaker 1: make sure it doesn't hit you in the face. Right.

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01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:57,840
Speaker 1: That's what lifting or exercise can be. An is for

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01:34:57,880 --> 01:35:01,720
Speaker 1: a lot of people is it's enlightened. It it literally is. Uh.

1900
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:03,760
Speaker 1: So Statory is supposed to be a way to live

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01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:06,720
Speaker 1: your life where you're constantly in that state, right, you

1902
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:09,280
Speaker 1: don't have any attachments to the past, you don't have

1903
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:12,280
Speaker 1: any anxieties about the future. You're living in the present.

1904
01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:15,200
Speaker 1: For most of us, that's not a realistic approach to life.

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01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:18,640
Speaker 1: But working out gives us a glimpse of it. It

1906
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:21,559
Speaker 1: gives you like a little break, a little vacation from

1907
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:25,560
Speaker 1: those concerns about the past and anxieties about the future. Right. So,

1908
01:35:26,360 --> 01:35:29,080
Speaker 1: you know what Ian saying is he realizes ten minutes

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01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:32,120
Speaker 1: in he's listening to Gloria Estefan now, or I'm listening

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01:35:32,200 --> 01:35:35,840
Speaker 1: to Harry Potter and The Order of the Phoenix again. Right. Uh.

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01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:38,320
Speaker 1: The reason why I haven't been paying attention to what's

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01:35:38,360 --> 01:35:41,760
Speaker 1: going on is because during that moment, I was experiencing

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01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:46,560
Speaker 1: living entirely within my actions, right, which is, you know,

1914
01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:49,640
Speaker 1: by some Eastern standards, what enlightenment is. You're getting a

1915
01:35:49,720 --> 01:35:51,920
Speaker 1: glimpse of it, you know, and it's it's a good

1916
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:56,080
Speaker 1: feeling because you're not anxious, you're not depressed, you're not unhappy.

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01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:58,920
Speaker 1: All you are is what you're doing right now. And

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01:35:59,080 --> 01:36:01,880
Speaker 1: that's the best part are of fitness to me, is

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01:36:02,280 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 1: the escapism that it provides you. You know, that's exactly

1920
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:08,960
Speaker 1: what I experience because it's I'm say, it's one of

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01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:11,680
Speaker 1: those things like I'm so glad I've discovered that and

1922
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:14,400
Speaker 1: that that's what I love, because I have not found

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Speaker 1: it in other places, like I twice, people get from music,

1924
01:36:17,960 --> 01:36:19,760
Speaker 1: people get it from video games. You know what I mean.

1925
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:21,759
Speaker 1: We're all wired differently. Well, I was gonna say twice

1926
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:23,800
Speaker 1: I've done because I've heard about it. You know those

1927
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:29,439
Speaker 1: sensory deprivation tanks where you float in the water, And yes,

1928
01:36:29,640 --> 01:36:33,400
Speaker 1: I've done those twice where you're ninety minutes in this water,

1929
01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:35,519
Speaker 1: you know, floating, and people of these like out of

1930
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:39,160
Speaker 1: body experiences. I gotta be honest, like it was relaxing,

1931
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:42,160
Speaker 1: but it didn't didn't really do anything for me, not necessarily.

1932
01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:45,720
Speaker 1: I get way more out of strenuous work out than

1933
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:49,000
Speaker 1: floating in a tank and being alone with myself sounds

1934
01:36:49,040 --> 01:36:51,920
Speaker 1: like the worst way to spend an afternoon. I don't

1935
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:54,120
Speaker 1: even like me a little bit, Like, there's no way

1936
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:56,400
Speaker 1: I want to hang out with me in a tank

1937
01:36:56,640 --> 01:37:00,280
Speaker 1: for I think it's important that people find out whether

1938
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:03,040
Speaker 1: it's a meditation or yoga or um. Who is it on?

1939
01:37:03,120 --> 01:37:06,400
Speaker 1: Who's a shaman? Now? Uh oh, Jim Morris was talking

1940
01:37:06,439 --> 01:37:09,000
Speaker 1: about shamanism. Yeah, it seems like that's his escape. And

1941
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:11,360
Speaker 1: if that's what he found, that's great. I think it's

1942
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:15,120
Speaker 1: important that everybody has something like that because our minds,

1943
01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:19,559
Speaker 1: especially in the current culture, are so consumed with work,

1944
01:37:20,120 --> 01:37:22,439
Speaker 1: so consumed with what is Trump up to? What is

1945
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:26,080
Speaker 1: Trump tweeting? You know, and like I think we need

1946
01:37:26,160 --> 01:37:30,400
Speaker 1: to like reflect with ourselves within and and better ourselves

1947
01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:33,559
Speaker 1: by escaping from all of that. Yeah, the libs are

1948
01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:36,120
Speaker 1: like running the psychiatrists. They must be like this. The

1949
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:40,080
Speaker 1: entire industry must be making a killing right now. Every

1950
01:37:40,120 --> 01:37:42,599
Speaker 1: time Trump sends a tweet, they're like running into their therapist.

1951
01:37:43,160 --> 01:37:46,839
Speaker 1: I realized that that it was overwhelming when during the election,

1952
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:49,599
Speaker 1: and luckily this has not happened to me since. Before

1953
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:52,160
Speaker 1: I would fall asleep, there were several times where the

1954
01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:55,720
Speaker 1: last thing on my mind was or or like that,

1955
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:59,479
Speaker 1: the forefront of my mind was Trump. It was just

1956
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:01,800
Speaker 1: like that, before I would fall asleep and go into

1957
01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:04,160
Speaker 1: that dream state, I'd be thinking about Trump, and I

1958
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:06,080
Speaker 1: was like, this is not health. It's like it's a

1959
01:38:06,160 --> 01:38:09,599
Speaker 1: manufactured reality that's pushed on us every day. Every day.

1960
01:38:10,360 --> 01:38:12,120
Speaker 1: You're totally right. You know, my next door neighbor I

1961
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:14,840
Speaker 1: talk about him all the time. His name is Grizzly. Uh.

1962
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:16,519
Speaker 1: You know, I live in the woods of Georgia, and

1963
01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:18,720
Speaker 1: my next door neighbor is the guy you expect to

1964
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:21,519
Speaker 1: find in the woods of Georgia. He builds hot rods

1965
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:24,400
Speaker 1: in a shed. You know. He's a welder, does not

1966
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:26,519
Speaker 1: know what the Internet is, does not believe that I

1967
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:28,960
Speaker 1: have a job. He's always asking me if I need

1968
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:32,160
Speaker 1: landscaping work, you know, because he's like, I noticed that

1969
01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:34,479
Speaker 1: you haven't been going to work. You know, I got

1970
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:37,280
Speaker 1: some lawns you could probably mow, you know. And uh,

1971
01:38:37,560 --> 01:38:39,400
Speaker 1: when I told him I got my master's degree, he

1972
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:42,960
Speaker 1: was like when he didn't even go outside, you know. Um,

1973
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:46,879
Speaker 1: But he doesn't exist in the same realm of reality

1974
01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:49,320
Speaker 1: that we do. You know. I I live my whole

1975
01:38:49,400 --> 01:38:52,200
Speaker 1: life knee deep in foreign policy. Right. I'm constantly on

1976
01:38:52,280 --> 01:38:56,880
Speaker 1: the lookout for for concerns about impending war. Right, I'm

1977
01:38:56,920 --> 01:39:00,519
Speaker 1: always analyzing, you know, China's J twenty or Russia's to

1978
01:39:00,680 --> 01:39:03,720
Speaker 1: fifty seven, or what's going on in Syria. And then

1979
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:05,400
Speaker 1: you talk to a guy like Grizzly, and he's like,

1980
01:39:05,479 --> 01:39:07,880
Speaker 1: I don't have the Internet, Like, what I'm worried about

1981
01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:10,840
Speaker 1: is my electric bill? Yeah, what are you worried about?

1982
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:14,320
Speaker 1: That is like the real reality it is. He lives

1983
01:39:14,360 --> 01:39:16,800
Speaker 1: in the real world. He lives in the real world. Yeah,

1984
01:39:17,200 --> 01:39:20,400
Speaker 1: because we don't have the capacity to really have an

1985
01:39:20,439 --> 01:39:23,960
Speaker 1: idea of everything going on everywhere, you know, Like when

1986
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:26,280
Speaker 1: I went to South Dakota and visited Matt beer Can,

1987
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:28,920
Speaker 1: who has been on the show before, and I drove

1988
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:31,439
Speaker 1: up to bad Lands National Park and saw all this

1989
01:39:31,560 --> 01:39:34,240
Speaker 1: like beautiful scenery and was in the moment like, to me,

1990
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:37,479
Speaker 1: that's reality, not all of this news going on, Like

1991
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:40,560
Speaker 1: you need to have that escape. And and I do

1992
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:43,560
Speaker 1: try to promote and he said to himself, He's like,

1993
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:45,639
Speaker 1: you look at people like me like I'm simple because

1994
01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:51,200
Speaker 1: you've never had too well detractor back together. Yeah, neither

1995
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:52,800
Speaker 1: of I Absolutely I've done some well thing, but I

1996
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:54,960
Speaker 1: could not fix a tractor. God help me, you know.

1997
01:39:55,560 --> 01:39:58,120
Speaker 1: He just it's not that I don't know, I think

1998
01:39:58,160 --> 01:40:00,760
Speaker 1: it's easy. And this this came to light, particularly during

1999
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:04,080
Speaker 1: this last presidential election, where it's easy to dismiss rural

2000
01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:09,839
Speaker 1: America as ignorant, you know, and or stupid even or racist.

2001
01:40:09,960 --> 01:40:12,920
Speaker 1: Absolutely when in reality. What it is is that they're

2002
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:16,320
Speaker 1: operating in a different plane of reality than we are.

2003
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:20,160
Speaker 1: So lots of people get idealistically upset about things that

2004
01:40:20,200 --> 01:40:23,920
Speaker 1: Trump does. I'm mad because of what this means. I'm

2005
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:27,240
Speaker 1: mad because of the intent behind this language. I'm mad

2006
01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:29,960
Speaker 1: because of what this could mean for the future. Whereas

2007
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:34,240
Speaker 1: guys that don't live in that same I guess Twitter sphere, right,

2008
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:38,479
Speaker 1: they're more worried about practical changes in the world. Right,

2009
01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:41,479
Speaker 1: Grizzly is not worried about whether or not Donald Trump

2010
01:40:41,560 --> 01:40:44,680
Speaker 1: hurts someone's feelings on Twitter. That does not affect his

2011
01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:48,040
Speaker 1: real life in any way. He does worry about whether

2012
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:51,639
Speaker 1: or not the mill closes, you know, because that really

2013
01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:54,320
Speaker 1: does directly affect a number of people's lives that he

2014
01:40:54,479 --> 01:40:56,920
Speaker 1: knows he can see every day. And you know, and

2015
01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:59,519
Speaker 1: during you know, eight years of the Obama presidency, where

2016
01:40:59,640 --> 01:41:04,080
Speaker 1: rural America was by and large ignored by stimulus programs

2017
01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:06,960
Speaker 1: and things like that, they weren't voting for this guy

2018
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:10,600
Speaker 1: everyone's mad about on Twitter. They were voting for this

2019
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:13,439
Speaker 1: one guy who said, Hey, we need to do something

2020
01:41:13,479 --> 01:41:15,560
Speaker 1: about the milk closing, you know, And whether or not

2021
01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:17,639
Speaker 1: he followed through on that whether or not you agreed,

2022
01:41:18,040 --> 01:41:20,120
Speaker 1: you know, with his stance on clean coal and things

2023
01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:22,479
Speaker 1: like that, you can't disregard the fact that we're talking

2024
01:41:22,520 --> 01:41:25,519
Speaker 1: about people who were looking for a practical change in

2025
01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:28,400
Speaker 1: the world, whereas on the liberal side they're worried about

2026
01:41:28,479 --> 01:41:32,840
Speaker 1: this conceptual change and how we're perceived. Well, now, it's

2027
01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:36,400
Speaker 1: what you're saying reminds me of something. I actually just

2028
01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:40,120
Speaker 1: listened to this great interview Howard Stern did with Jon Stewart,

2029
01:41:40,680 --> 01:41:43,800
Speaker 1: and I really liked something that Jon Stewart said during

2030
01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:47,080
Speaker 1: the interview, and it struck it stayed with me. Um.

2031
01:41:47,360 --> 01:41:50,040
Speaker 1: He said, no matter how woke you are, we all

2032
01:41:50,120 --> 01:41:53,479
Speaker 1: have to sleep sometimes. And he said and and the

2033
01:41:53,560 --> 01:41:55,680
Speaker 1: example that he gave is great. He's like, there are

2034
01:41:55,880 --> 01:41:59,920
Speaker 1: literally people walking the streets of New York City tweet

2035
01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:03,080
Speaker 1: angrily it's someone because they use the wrong gender pronoun

2036
01:42:03,439 --> 01:42:08,240
Speaker 1: while literally sleep stepping over like homeless people sleeping on

2037
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:13,800
Speaker 1: the sidewalk. Yeah, I mean, I've said before on this podcast.

2038
01:42:13,880 --> 01:42:17,400
Speaker 1: I mean I think that you know, it's like gawking

2039
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:20,840
Speaker 1: at a car crash, like you're not actually helping anybody,

2040
01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:24,519
Speaker 1: Like it's it gives them that little like serotonin boost

2041
01:42:24,600 --> 01:42:27,120
Speaker 1: and you feel good about yourself because your virtue signaling,

2042
01:42:27,160 --> 01:42:30,000
Speaker 1: but you're not helping anybody, you're not improving the situation.

2043
01:42:30,520 --> 01:42:33,880
Speaker 1: So I just encourage people to find a place where

2044
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:38,120
Speaker 1: you can make a difference and jam yourself in there. Um.

2045
01:42:38,240 --> 01:42:41,000
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna like lecture anybody about partisan politics.

2046
01:42:41,080 --> 01:42:43,719
Speaker 1: I mean, whatever it is you think you can speak

2047
01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:46,280
Speaker 1: to or you can do. Like for me, I I write.

2048
01:42:46,320 --> 01:42:49,760
Speaker 1: I do investigative pieces on national defense, and I try

2049
01:42:49,800 --> 01:42:53,800
Speaker 1: to write articles that other people can't write or won't write. Uh.

2050
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:55,519
Speaker 1: And that for me, that's kind of what I try

2051
01:42:55,560 --> 01:42:58,439
Speaker 1: to do. Um. And maybe that's you know, I'm not

2052
01:42:58,600 --> 01:43:02,120
Speaker 1: necessarily changing the world, but that's my little slice of it,

2053
01:43:02,439 --> 01:43:05,479
Speaker 1: right And and but instead what we're getting is we

2054
01:43:05,560 --> 01:43:10,000
Speaker 1: get social media activism, you know, where you feel as

2055
01:43:10,040 --> 01:43:13,280
Speaker 1: though you accomplished something because you also chimed in with

2056
01:43:13,400 --> 01:43:16,360
Speaker 1: this hashtag, and we give that, we get this false

2057
01:43:16,400 --> 01:43:20,360
Speaker 1: sense of accomplishment. Well go go go look what I

2058
01:43:20,479 --> 01:43:23,040
Speaker 1: posted on Twitter just a couple of days ago, because

2059
01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:26,519
Speaker 1: I see this stuff every day, and and uh, I posted,

2060
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:29,760
Speaker 1: you know about reflecting back on my experience of hanging

2061
01:43:29,760 --> 01:43:33,760
Speaker 1: out with the p KK in Northern Iraq. Or Kurdistan,

2062
01:43:34,840 --> 01:43:37,920
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, these are these guys come out

2063
01:43:37,960 --> 01:43:40,840
Speaker 1: of a leftist tradition, and they're these guys who are

2064
01:43:40,920 --> 01:43:44,519
Speaker 1: just quiet intellectuals, very well read. They understand what they're

2065
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:46,960
Speaker 1: fighting for. They're doing things every day to try to

2066
01:43:47,080 --> 01:43:49,800
Speaker 1: fight for their people and their notion of a Kurdish nation.

2067
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:55,479
Speaker 1: Now you contrast that with leftist you know, leftist people

2068
01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:59,880
Speaker 1: in America who are literally engaged in hashtag activism, and

2069
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:02,000
Speaker 1: I think they're making a difference, and it's like there's

2070
01:44:02,160 --> 01:44:06,320
Speaker 1: just no comparison between the two. I was posting again,

2071
01:44:06,439 --> 01:44:10,040
Speaker 1: I said, you know, look at American feminists are writing

2072
01:44:10,120 --> 01:44:14,880
Speaker 1: op eds in you know, these bourgeois American periodicals asking

2073
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:19,679
Speaker 1: for change. Kurdish feminists and Syria are just making the change.

2074
01:44:20,560 --> 01:44:23,439
Speaker 1: Kurdish feminists are not waiting around for men to give

2075
01:44:23,479 --> 01:44:26,559
Speaker 1: them permission to do anything. They're just standing up and saying, look,

2076
01:44:26,720 --> 01:44:29,160
Speaker 1: it's going to be different from here on out. Those

2077
01:44:29,200 --> 01:44:35,880
Speaker 1: are totally different approaches philosophically, politically, um and just practically pragmatically.

2078
01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:39,760
Speaker 1: They're just totally different approaches, you know. And one of

2079
01:44:39,800 --> 01:44:41,600
Speaker 1: the problems that we run into. You've talked about this

2080
01:44:41,680 --> 01:44:44,120
Speaker 1: a million times. One of the problems we run into

2081
01:44:44,240 --> 01:44:48,200
Speaker 1: with making legitimate progress towards good things. You know, progressive

2082
01:44:48,240 --> 01:44:51,479
Speaker 1: can be a swear word and right leaning circles, but

2083
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:54,640
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with progress. Progress is good. But what

2084
01:44:54,760 --> 01:44:57,599
Speaker 1: we end up doing is, you know, the veteran community

2085
01:44:57,640 --> 01:45:00,240
Speaker 1: does it as well, the liberal community eats the own.

2086
01:45:00,800 --> 01:45:03,439
Speaker 1: There's no such thing as someone who's got enough virtue

2087
01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:06,479
Speaker 1: because all of us, like Ian was saying, no matter

2088
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:08,400
Speaker 1: how woke you are, you're going to sleep at some point,

2089
01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:10,599
Speaker 1: all of us have that time that we said something

2090
01:45:10,640 --> 01:45:12,120
Speaker 1: we shouldn't have said, or we were rude to the

2091
01:45:12,160 --> 01:45:15,160
Speaker 1: person we shouldn't have been rude to. Everybody could be

2092
01:45:15,360 --> 01:45:19,040
Speaker 1: hung out by one of their mistakes. Well, this is

2093
01:45:19,240 --> 01:45:23,719
Speaker 1: why the social justice thing gets compared to Marxism, because

2094
01:45:23,800 --> 01:45:26,439
Speaker 1: that's where this kind of political correctness came from. Out

2095
01:45:26,479 --> 01:45:29,800
Speaker 1: of Marxism. No matter how big a communist you are,

2096
01:45:30,479 --> 01:45:34,320
Speaker 1: somebody is always more communist than you are. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know. And no matter how woke you are, someone's

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Speaker 1: more woke than you, absolutely, and and so what ends

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Speaker 1: up happening is they end up eating their own and

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Speaker 1: accomplishing nothing. And it's a lot of noise, a lot

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Speaker 1: of noise to the bottom. Also, yeah, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: the me too thing is is a good example, in

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Speaker 1: my opinion, because I feel as though hashtag met who

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Speaker 1: started with some women being like I was sexually as

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Speaker 1: I am a victim of rape. You know, these are

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Speaker 1: legitimate things that really warrant discussion, and me too quickly

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Speaker 1: devolved into this guy bought me six drinks at the bar,

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Speaker 1: and I went back to his room with him, and

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Speaker 1: he had the audacity to assume I planned to have

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Speaker 1: sex with him. You know, that's not a hashtag me

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Speaker 1: too moment. What that is is that's a bad date.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's just human interaction that didn't go the

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Speaker 1: way you hoped it would, you know, instead of instead

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Speaker 1: of evolving into something that uh that advocates for programmatic

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01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:36,320
Speaker 1: policy reform, it turns into that. It turns into this

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Speaker 1: hashtag Twitter activism race to the bottom, you know, and

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Speaker 1: every person who does hashtag me too, because they're so

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Speaker 1: upset because one time they felt as though they're you know,

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Speaker 1: they're college professor looked at them inappropriately. Don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 1: that's inappropriate and it shouldn't happen, but that shouldn't be

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Speaker 1: the focus of this conversation. This woman who got raped

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Speaker 1: is what we should be talking about. We should be

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Speaker 1: addressing that, but we everybody wants to be included. Look,

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Speaker 1: this is actually a subject for like a whole other podcast,

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Speaker 1: and I should I will, I will even prepare it.

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Speaker 1: And maybe I should do to do one that's on

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Speaker 1: the woke vets and the other that's the fucking oath

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Speaker 1: Keeper or Molan Labia Vets and do so do the

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Speaker 1: left and the right and how they interact on the Internet,

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Speaker 1: and how these political movements are starting to like coalesce,

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Speaker 1: I could probably do at least one, maybe two podcasts

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Speaker 1: just on this subject. It's and again it's because people

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Speaker 1: don't realize that the veteran demographic is a is a

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Speaker 1: large one, right. Yeah. But there's always been like the

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Speaker 1: um second Amendment, UM conservative vet. I mean that's always

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Speaker 1: been a thing, you know, which we can put into

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Speaker 1: air quotes, the social justice warrior. Woke vet is something

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Speaker 1: that has just come around in the last couple of

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Speaker 1: years as like a phenomena. And I'm kind of like

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Speaker 1: putting the pieces together to understand why. Um so, I

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Speaker 1: think you nailed it the other day when we were

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Speaker 1: It's all about political currency. You know, it is about

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Speaker 1: political currency. There's a little bit more that plays into it,

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Speaker 1: and their notion of um creating a political project um.

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Speaker 1: And there's a lot of ins and outs, but I'll

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Speaker 1: have to save some of that for another time. Yes. So, actually,

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Speaker 1: before we wrap up here, because Alex was mentioning the

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Speaker 1: whole me too movement, this uh came across you know,

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Speaker 1: my feed And this is not from some like crazy website.

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Speaker 1: This is from the Washington Post. There was an article

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Speaker 1: called why Can't We Hate Men? Written by Susannah did

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Speaker 1: Noodle Uh Walters, and I think I read this well.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to read the whole thing, but this

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Speaker 1: is one of the last paragraphs of the article. If

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Speaker 1: you want to hear just how ridiculous it's gotten. This

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Speaker 1: is actually how she wraps up the article. And she's

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Speaker 1: serious here. This is not parody. So, men, if you

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Speaker 1: really are hashtag with us and would like us to

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01:48:58,280 --> 01:49:00,360
Speaker 1: not hate you for the all the millennia of woe

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Speaker 1: you have produced and benefited from, start with this lean

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Speaker 1: out so we can actually stand up without being beaten down.

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Speaker 1: Pledge to vote for feminist women only. Don't run for office.

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01:49:11,560 --> 01:49:14,559
Speaker 1: Don't be in charge of anything. Step away from the power.

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Speaker 1: We got this, and please know that your crocodile tears

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Speaker 1: won't be wiped away by us anymore. We have every

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Speaker 1: right to hate you. We you have done You've done

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Speaker 1: us wrong. Hashtag because patriarchy. It is long past time

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Speaker 1: to play hard for team feminism, feminism and we win.

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Speaker 1: So and win. Bourgeois op ed upper middle class white

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Speaker 1: woman bullshit. Yeah, this woman's got more money in her

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Speaker 1: bank account than I do. And but the patriarchy, the

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Speaker 1: patriarchy is I'm sure of pressing her. But you is

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Speaker 1: what drives me crazy. My wife is the most strong

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Speaker 1: and independent woman that I know, right, and what drives

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Speaker 1: me nuts about that is that since my wife had

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Speaker 1: this baby, my wife hasn't jumped back into the workforce because, thankfully,

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Speaker 1: thanks to working for SOFTWAREP, I'm able to afford for

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Speaker 1: my wife to be home with my baby. Her friends

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Speaker 1: from Massachusetts think that I made my wife stay home.

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Speaker 1: You know, not all of them, of course, but but

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Speaker 1: you know what, it's crazy later, she's not allowed to

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Speaker 1: make her own decisions about what she thinks is best

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Speaker 1: for her family. She's not allowed to make her own

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Speaker 1: decisions about her employment because there's something this idea of

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Speaker 1: feminism out there that says that my wife is not

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Speaker 1: fulfilling her obligations to her gender because she chose instead

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Speaker 1: women do her best for her. Women are in a

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Speaker 1: really rough spot in that sense that there are all

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Speaker 1: these expectations that they have to go to college, they

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Speaker 1: have to have a career, they have to get married,

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Speaker 1: they have to have kids. There's like a lot more

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Speaker 1: expectations on women than there are men as far as

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Speaker 1: like social expectations, and they have to like get all

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Speaker 1: that ship done in a relatively fast Yeah. Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 1: You know, my wife looked at me and said, I

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Speaker 1: think it would be best for me to not go

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Speaker 1: back to work because I want to stay home with

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Speaker 1: the baby. And I said, whatever you say, baby, you

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Speaker 1: know you're in charge. You know, she's she didn't stay

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Speaker 1: home because she's being oppressed by the patriarchy. She wanted to, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and but but then she gets judged negatively in the

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Speaker 1: social school. I'll stay home with a baby, I mean absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, absolutely, you know. I just I think

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Speaker 1: it's crazy that the idea of feminism has grown in

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Speaker 1: such a way that it can alienate women who are

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Speaker 1: making decisions, you know, based on their own so that

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Speaker 1: the modern you know, that so called third wave feminism

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Speaker 1: is just toxic as fuck. Yeah, yeah, you know, but

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Speaker 1: again that's a that's a subject for a whole other. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we could go down the whole rabbital, but

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to bring up that article because it

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Speaker 1: was recent, and you are right, the me too movement

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Speaker 1: has gone from serious concerns to an article like this

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Speaker 1: literally saying that men should not be in any form

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Speaker 1: of power in any They're they're judging you by your race,

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Speaker 1: your gender, your orientation. They're becoming the things they hate. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's for that's absolutely true. Well with that, as I

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Speaker 1: McNamara and our mutual friend Shawn the Butcher from Sirius

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Speaker 1: x M. Get Seawan to come in studio and talk

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Speaker 1: metal for a couple of hours. Hopefully that'd be pretty cool. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it'd be fun. Man. Hopefully the audience doesn't

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Speaker 1: bishop me too hard, because I know there's there's there's

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Speaker 1: always those people. They're like, this is a special operations podcast, damnit.

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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna prepare my epic rant, my treatise on

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Speaker 1: s j W vets, woke vets, and we'll do another

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Speaker 1: one about the like far right wing alter right vets

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Speaker 1: and that whole down. That'll be like, it'll take me

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Speaker 1: a while. I have to write out my notes. You

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Speaker 1: know what the weird thing about that whole thing is.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you are a left wing person who

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Speaker 1: happens to be a veteran, that's fine, if you're you know,

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Speaker 1: a whatever you are. But I don't like when people

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Speaker 1: go out there and say that you know that this

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Speaker 1: basically is an opinion of their speaking for the veteran community.

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Speaker 1: There there is no that's the thing. It's uh, it's

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Speaker 1: narrative control. It's basically reality control. They're trying to build

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Speaker 1: a new reality, and if you're outside the bounds of

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Speaker 1: what they consider acceptable, they ostracize you, they disconnect you,

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Speaker 1: and so that it really is like a consensus reality

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Speaker 1: that they're building. Yeah, I I say it all the time.

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Speaker 1: And here as like an outsider, the veteran community is

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Speaker 1: definitely not a monolith. You'd be really hard pressed to find,

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Speaker 1: uh an issue that like ten out of ten veterans

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Speaker 1: are going to agree with you on. We're I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're like a little microcosm of society as a whole.

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Speaker 1: You know, the the loudest the voices are the ones

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Speaker 1: you hear the most often. Um, the most extreme voices

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Speaker 1: are the ones that you hear. There are plenty of

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Speaker 1: vets who are just run of the mill, you know,

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Speaker 1: conservative Republicans or Democrats or whatever, um, but you mostly

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Speaker 1: hear from the people who are going to be at

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Speaker 1: the far extremes. Yeah. Yeah, because that's what people, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, are either entertained by or react, you know,

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Speaker 1: quick to react to. It. Was gonna use the term reactionary,

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Speaker 1: but that means something different. But I just mean that

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Speaker 1: it's something that people are going to react to on

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Speaker 1: social media if someone says the right thing or the

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Speaker 1: wrong thing or you know. The example I could think of,

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Speaker 1: which we've brought up before, is like burning the Koran

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Speaker 1: on stage. People are gonna have a feeling about that

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Speaker 1: one way or another. That was Ben Smith. Ben Smith

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Speaker 1: didn't burn it, He just picked it up and dropped

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Speaker 1: it that that's probably what it is. But yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: what you know. People are gonna have some type of

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Speaker 1: feeling towards that. And you know when that person is

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Speaker 1: up there, they're representing the Navy seals. So yeah, that

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Speaker 1: guy in this Simpson's we need a mono rail motto. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I love that. So I know I still have the

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Speaker 1: CD somewhere of the whole Simpsons like soundtrack of you know,

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Speaker 1: different songs. When we do the episode, we'll get the

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Speaker 1: monoreil song going. Yeah, as long as SoundCloud doesn't take

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Speaker 1: it down. For that you have to worry about the

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Speaker 1: whole copyright infringement thing. That's why I'm glad we now have,

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Speaker 1: as you're hearing us exit here, our original theme music,

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Speaker 1: which I don't say often enough, created by John Burns,

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Speaker 1: who's just the man, great guitar player, great songwriter. Uh

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Speaker 1: and actually I don't plug it much. We can check

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Speaker 1: them out at John Burns Band John Burns band dot

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Speaker 1: com and that's j O h N B y r

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Speaker 1: N E S. Gotta shout out my friend John Burns

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Speaker 1: who plays gigs here in New York, New York City

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Speaker 1: pretty often. Uh. Cool. Another great episode in the book

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Speaker 1: you've been listening to self rep Radio. New episodes up

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