1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: Well, we have been spending similar time with our classics, 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: going into political intrigue, going into true crime. This time 3 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: we wanted to go a little further off the map 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 1: and talk about ghosts, talk about specifically the ghost of 5 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: one Tera Cita Bossa. This one always still fascinated me. 6 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: Do you guys remember this one? I do, and I 7 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: too have always been fascinated by the idea of vengeful ghosts, 8 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 1: whether they're avenging a loved one or their own murder. Yeah, 9 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: especially considering this led to real consequences. This, like possible possession, 10 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: led to something real, actual action on the ground, like 11 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 1: legal stuff, because, as the Exorcist says, possession is nine 12 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: tenths of the law. I'm sorry, no, you you heard me? 13 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: Use that one. I loved it then and I love 14 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: it now. Roll that beautiful bead footage from UFOs to 15 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. 16 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: You can turn back now or learn the stuff they 17 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: don't grant you to know. Hello, welcome back to the show. 18 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: My name is Matt Hi, I'm Null and I'm Ben. 19 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:32,839 Speaker 1: You are you and if you are listening to this show, 20 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: then hopefully you are not Tera Cita Bassa. We'll get 21 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: to it today. We're going to talk about crime. Every 22 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: once in a while we do a show about criminal behavior, 23 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: whether that's financial corruption, whether that's a grizzly series of 24 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: unssolved murders. Um. But we're talking today not about a 25 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: type of crime, but a very specific crime, tailed murder, 26 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: and on some level justice, perhaps justice from beyond the 27 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: grave grave. Now, how many times I have to tell 28 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: you I can do that in post. You don't have 29 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: to do your own effects. I know, I just like it. 30 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: So our story begins in Chicago, nineteen seventy seven with 31 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: a forty seven year old respiratory therapist named Terra Sita Bossa. 32 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 1: Now now, she was from the Philippines. She was well 33 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: regarded by her neighbors. Her her neighbors liked her. She 34 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: was fluent into glic and she was employed at a 35 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: place called the Edgewater Hospital in Chicago, which is at 36 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 1: this time closed. On February one, nineteen seventy seven, firefighters 37 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: arrived at Terra Cita's home, which was Apartment fifteen B 38 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: on the fifteenth floor of forty North Pine Grove Avenue, 39 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: where they discovered her corpse. Her corpse have been burned 40 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 1: and likely to file kitchen knife protruded from her chest. 41 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: It was one of the knives that she had owned 42 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: while she was alive. Someone had thrown her mattress on 43 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: top of her and you know, attempted to burn the 44 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: evidence as homicides to go with. This case was particularly horrific. 45 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: There were no leads, and after a few months the 46 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: case went cold. While this is unfortunate, it's also disturbingly common. 47 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: You know, guys, Let's pause for a second from this 48 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: story and and take a look at some of the 49 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: statistics involving homicides so we can get a better get 50 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: a better grasp of this. One of the things that 51 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: we'll find when we look at statistics for murders, you know, 52 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: identified homicides, is that there are a lot of qualifications 53 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: and members of the same government sometimes don't always agree 54 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: on the numbers. For example, the Bureau of Justice, which 55 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: is an arm of the Department of Justice here in 56 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: the US, has a nuanced definition, very ice definition of homicide, 57 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: and that would include murder and non negligent manslaughter, which 58 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: is the wilful killing of one human being by another right. 59 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: But the data is based solely on police investigation as 60 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: opposed to the determination of a court or a medical examiner, 61 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: a coroner, or another judicial body. So if there's a 62 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: suspect death and then there's a trial later and they say, 63 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: and the cops didn't think it was a murder, but 64 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: a jury does rule something that says that, then it 65 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: still doesn't count. So it also excludes some deaths, and 66 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: some of those are um deaths caused by negligence, suicide, 67 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: or accident. Justifiable homicide seems like a misnumber since it 68 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 1: actually has the word homicide, and but I digress and 69 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: attempts of murder right, and justified carries its own Yeah, 70 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: and justifiable homicides are based on law enforcement a agency reports, 71 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: and that's a whole another episode. Interesting side note here, 72 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: deaths from the terrorist attacks on September eleventh, two thousand 73 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: one are specifically not included in the analyzes. And that's ah. 74 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 1: That's just an example of the sort of definition that 75 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: will look at here. But good news because according its 76 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 1: not just the Bureau of Justice, but also to other 77 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: reporting agencies. Despite what you might hear on your local 78 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: mainstream news, uh, and and all the terrible things you'll 79 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: hear on the radio, it turns out that murder is 80 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: actually declining. Yeah, that is an extremely surprising thing to hear, 81 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: especially after these past couple of weeks of the two 82 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: conventions for our primary parties, and there's a lot of 83 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: scare scare stuff going on, right, And then you look 84 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: at the actual statistics and you see that the homicide 85 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: rate in the US has to lined by nearly half, 86 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: from nine point three homicides per one hundred thousand residents 87 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: in nineteen to four point seven out of one hundred 88 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: thousand in two thousand eleven. That's the lowest level since 89 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three. But as we said, not all of 90 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,239 Speaker 1: the sources will agree. So if we look to the FBI, 91 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: we find their handibook Crime in the United States, and 92 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: they found some interesting numbers from Yeah, they found that 93 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: there were an estimated one million, one sixty five thousand, 94 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: three hundred and eighty three violent crimes, which would consist 95 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: of murder and non negligent homicides, rapes, robberies, and aggravated assaults. 96 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: These statistics were called from various law enforcement agencies, and 97 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: that's that's pulling in a whole lot of different crimes right. Um, 98 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, like you said, Ben, when looking at these 99 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: different sources that are trying to keep good statistics on 100 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: all of this stuff and good numbers, it gets money. Yeah, 101 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: But but there's more here. Many of these homicides that 102 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: occur do go unsolved. Sadly. We've got a great quote 103 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: from a article in The Economists on this. America's homicide 104 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: clearance rate. The percentage of solved crimes that lead to 105 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: arrest has fallen considerably in the past fifty years, from 106 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: around in nine to around six According to federal statistics, 107 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: this means more than two hundred and eleven thousand homicides 108 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: committed since nineteen eighty remain unsolved. Every year introduces nearly 109 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: five thousand more. So journey back with US Ladies and 110 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: Gentlemen to Chicago in nineteen seventy seven, according to the 111 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: sources you check, whether it's UH maybe a compilation from 112 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: the Tribune or municipal compilation, you'll find that they were 113 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: between eight hundred and twenty three to eleven hundred and 114 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: nine documented homicides in the city in that year alone. UH. 115 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: Turisee Devasa was by all accounts, set to remain a 116 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: tragically unsolved crime, at least that is until her ghost 117 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: returned and hunted down her murderer. But first a word 118 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: from our sponsor. 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Just head on over to 155 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: back blaze dot com slash conspiracy and let him know 156 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: uh that you came from us, So we left you 157 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: with a bit of a cliffhanger there we mentioned that 158 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: possibly the ghost of Tarasee to Bossa came back from 159 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: the grave and got a little revenge. According to the story, 160 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: several months after the murder, the detective Joe Statula, he 161 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: received a lead from the Evanston Police Department nearby and 162 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: they inst to him to contact Dr Jose Chua. Uh 163 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 1: seems random on on the detective's end, like, Okay, I 164 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: guess we'll go see this person. Well, apparently Jose Chua's wife, 165 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: Remibios Remicua, claimed to be possessed by tarase to Boss's spirit. 166 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: That's that's a weird call to get right sitting in 167 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: the police department, Hey, you need to go talk to 168 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: this lady. She's possessed by the spirit of your victim. So, 169 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: according to Dr Chuai's wife had actually begun entering into 170 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: these trances, these trance states, and while she was in them, 171 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: she would speak and claim to be the ghost of 172 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: Tarasee to Bassa. According to the original Chicago Tribune stories 173 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: that were written about this, he goes into detail about 174 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: um laying on the bed and just speaking and he 175 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: was he would just go up through her and I 176 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: mean you can imagine going, what are you doing as 177 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 1: a doctor, like, you're gonna be skeptical, right, what is 178 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: happening to my wife? Right? That's that's a reasonable thing. 179 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: That's an assumption most of us would make. We do 180 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: not naturally live in horror movies. So Dr Chua's wife 181 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: were arguably the ghost of terrace to Bassa named the 182 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: murderer given name to this murder, and that name was 183 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: Alan Showery or Showery, And the doctor still, you know, 184 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: of course, was not convinced these are not very specific 185 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: things us, so he still cautiously looked into it. And 186 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: turns out, according to the story, there was an Alan 187 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: Showy in Chicago. He was also an employee at Edgewater Hospital, 188 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: and it seemed that he had visited Terraceta, his home, 189 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: on the pretense of repairing either a television set or 190 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: an electrical problem. Additionally, the voice claimed that Showery had 191 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: taken jewelry from the deceased and given it to his girlfriend. 192 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: The jewelry, the voice continued, could be identified by several individuals, 193 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: and it named those individuals. Despite the extraordinarily unorthodox nature 194 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: of the lead, detectives found, Yeah, there really was this 195 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,599 Speaker 1: Alan Showery working there. He's an orderly. He was a 196 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: thirty two year old orderly. So they visited his home 197 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: and they found that he did have a girlfriend and 198 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: he lived with her. And upon investigation they found Boss's 199 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: jewelry in the possession of this girlfriend. So Alan Showery 200 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: was arrested on August eleven. So initially Showery confessed, but 201 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: then he were canted his confession, saying he was coerced 202 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: into confess him because of police threats to jail his 203 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: pregnant common law wife as an accessory. And this means 204 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: that the first attempt at convention ended in a mistrial. 205 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: But eventually he was convicted and he was sentenced to 206 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: I think fourteen years for the murder itself, and then 207 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: a couple other consecutive sentences of four years for the murder, 208 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: arson and robbery. It was. It was nearly twenty years altogether, right, 209 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: he served less than five of that was released in 210 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: Night three, which means, Mr Showery, you may well be 211 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: listening to this podcast today, and if you are, I 212 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: would love some clarity on this because everything we've researched 213 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: on this, you know, it's it's images of papers from 214 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies. It's people in the nineteen nineties talking 215 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: about the unsolved mysteries. You know movie that came out. 216 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: There was an Unsolved Mysteries movie that came out about 217 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: this case. We'd love to hear directly from you if 218 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: you're listening a case of possession, if that is the 219 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: story is true. As Matt mentioned earlier, the original reports 220 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: come from the Chicago Tribune, which is which is a 221 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: respected paper, but the story itself has several holes. First, 222 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: remedia Chua was also an employee at the hospital and 223 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: may have used the claim of possession as sort of 224 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: a safety net to bring Showery to justice. Um, this 225 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: is a biggie because it's very very plausible that Chua 226 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: had other information that was not made available to law 227 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: enforcement through official channels. She also, though, like Tara Sita, 228 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: spoke to golog And in this This to me is 229 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: fairly plausible, this idea that somehow or another, MS Chua 230 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: had information about what had happened. Maybe she had been 231 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: speaking um with miss Bassa about who knows whatever was 232 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: going on between the two Alan Showery and Tara sa 233 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: Bassa and knew something that she wanted to get justice 234 00:15:57,960 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: but she didn't know how to do it, and she 235 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: was afraid maybe of this guy. I'm this makes a 236 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: lot of sense, not that I am poo pooing the 237 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: idea that she was actually possessed. I don't know. I 238 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: have no evidence either way of this, but that makes 239 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: sense to me. And there's also another option here that 240 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: the police may have assisted in fabricating this story or 241 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: at least played along with it, in order to obtain 242 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: what they needed to make the arrest. So in the 243 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: case of catching a murderer, could we blame them for 244 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: bending the circumstances a bit because it is quite possible. Unfortunately, 245 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: in the legal system, it's quite possible to have inadmissible 246 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: proof that someone committed a crime, and because the proof 247 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: is inadmissible, be unable to prosecute them or bring justice 248 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: for the family. Right knowing for sure, but you can't 249 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: do anything. And this goes into a a larger concept 250 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: here to psychic powers applied to law enforcement in itself. 251 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: It's problematic because we've always seen the tropes who have 252 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: always heard the stories of claim success right where there's 253 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: a cold case and often something grizzly if it's fiction, 254 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: like a child murderer or whatnot, and a medium or 255 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: a psychic is able to, based on their impressions, arrive 256 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: at information that could not be found any other way. 257 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: But are they doing this or they just confirming stuff 258 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: investigators already knew but was somehow inadmissible. You know, in 259 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: the case of Tersea Boss, it does seem that justice 260 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: was ultimately served at the killer was legally convicted, we 261 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: can call him mcgillar. But was this by a ghost 262 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: or was this by bending the rules of an investigation. 263 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: I'll you know, the uh, the shield or the wire 264 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: or any of those other crime shows. It feels like 265 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: a slippery slope to me. I haven't heard. I can't 266 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: think in my head of a case that used a 267 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: psychic to get a conviction in the recent past. And 268 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: maybe that should just because I'm not looking for it, 269 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: you know, I haven't seen it pop up on any 270 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: of my news threads that I subscribe to. Perhaps that's it, um, 271 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: I can't imagine that it's happening with much frequency. That's 272 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: an excellent point, and this brings us to another thing 273 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: of For those of you listening who are involved in 274 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: law enforcement, I'd like to hear your your thoughts on this. 275 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: There's a phenomenon that I've heard occurs, which is that 276 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: sometimes when a crime or the hunt for a criminal 277 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: gets too much recognition in the public, precincts become inundated 278 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 1: with people who are alleging that they have inside knowledge 279 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: of it, where that they committed the crime, or that 280 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: they have received and from san about the crime in 281 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: a dream or in a trance or some spiritual revelation. 282 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: And this you know, this is depicted sometimes in fiction, 283 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: but it does actually happen, maybe not all that often, 284 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: but it has happened. So we'd love to hear some 285 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: real stories about those kinds of experiences. And most importantly, 286 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: of course, if uh, there was something you couldn't explain, 287 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,719 Speaker 1: if somebody really did have something that seemed to be 288 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: esp that assisted in the cracking of a case. And 289 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be homicide, of course, it can 290 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: be you know, stolen goods, yeah, anything, or if you 291 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: you worked with a psychic or a medium and nothing 292 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: came of it or the information was wrong. I'd love 293 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: to hear either way. And of course every time that 294 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: we ask for the best part of this show, which 295 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 1: is your stories, your emails, your ideas for future topics. 296 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: We like to show improve that it's not all just 297 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: a bunch of malarkey, which means it's almost time for 298 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: shout at corners. But first a teeny tiny little sponsor break. 299 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: Today's first shout out goes to ned Kelly's Revenge from Twitter. 300 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: Just listen to your political conspiracy episode, and half of 301 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: that episode is now fact. You guys have to be 302 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: psychic or nostre damist two point oh or something. This. 303 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 1: I love this this tweet because it's shortened all of 304 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: the letters. It's letters and numbers and not actual words 305 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: for most of it because you had to shorten it. 306 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, thanks so much for writing to 307 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: us on Twitter. You know that I always initially hesitant 308 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: about that one, because, uh, talking about politics on the internet, 309 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 1: which I would count of podcast as as well, can 310 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: so quickly become incredibly unproductive. So I for what I'm 311 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: really glad that you found it worth your time, and 312 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: thanks so much for checking out the show. The next 313 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: shout out goes to Alex Willits, who wrote to us 314 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: on Facebook. Alex wants us to cover some more unsolved 315 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: crime topics. He's interested specifically in cropsy which isn't really 316 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: an unsolved crime topic. It's it's a legend. It's an 317 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: urban legend, but it's still fascinating. Yeah, there's a there's 318 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: a great documentary on cropsy Um that I think one 319 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: of you guys may have turned me onto. But how 320 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,959 Speaker 1: how great your timing is, Alex. So we hope that 321 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 1: you enjoyed today's episode on Tara Cita Bassa And our 322 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: last shout out for this episode comes from Christopher Rogers, 323 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: who says, can you delve into the topic of water? 324 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: The local and state governments make farmers in my region 325 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 1: pay tax on the water that falls into their dams 326 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: and creeks. The bloody state housing authority has stopped installing 327 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: rainwater tanks onto state housing because rain water is dangerous. 328 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: Why does it seem like someone wants control over the 329 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: water supply and what authority did they have to make 330 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: me pay for this stuff when it falls from the sky. 331 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: You know, that's a question we've heard before and it's 332 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: still a good one. Christophers from Australia. I don't know 333 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: exactly what region he's from, but that is fascinating and 334 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: he wants us to cover water. I'm down, Yeah, I 335 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 1: think that's I think that's a great idea. We did 336 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: an earlier series on water wars and we also looked 337 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: at contamination there in Flint, Michigan. So this concludes our gosh, 338 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 1: we hope you enjoyed this episode. If you want to 339 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: learn more about the case of tarra se to Bassa, 340 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 1: head on over to archives dot Chicago Tribune dot com 341 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: and you could do a search for a Tarrasee to Bassa. 342 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 1: You can do a search for some of the dates 343 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: that we talked about in the episode, and you can 344 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: find copies of the actual original reports, the physical papers 345 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: that came out in the seventies, eighties, and nineties and 346 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: really kind of follow the paper trail, which is what 347 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: we did to make this episode. I would say it's 348 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: exciting and it really gets your mind going. You can 349 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: find an article from two thousand in the Weekly World News, 350 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: which is something our coworker Josh Clark has talked about before, 351 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: a publication about some of them less than reputable things 352 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 1: you'll find in that publication, but in this story, it 353 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: talks specifically about about Remy Chua's actions while she was 354 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: at work. Uh, and you know, take them with a 355 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: grain of salt if you want. But it talks about 356 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: how she would sit at the same place at the 357 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: lunch table where where everyone would gather to have lunch 358 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: there at the hospital. She would sit in the same 359 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: place that Tara Sea Bassa used to sit, and she 360 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: would sing quietly to herself the way Miss Bassa would do. 361 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: And this was all leading up to the stories of 362 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: that her husband was giving about her going into trances 363 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: on their bed at home. And you know, it's fascinating 364 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: to read this stuff. It reads like a Holly would 365 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: film and you know, perhaps there's a reason for that, 366 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: or perhaps it's true, and it's just hard to imagine. 367 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: And I would want to also ask for people too. 368 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: Don't don't feel like you can't write to us just 369 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: because you're not you're not a member of law enforcement. 370 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: People run into allegations of psychic activity all the time, 371 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: and many of us listening or even creating shows like 372 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: this or investigations like this, do so because we have 373 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: found things that we cannot at this point explain. And 374 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: it may be just as presumptuous to make the mistakes 375 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: A lot of people who I guess confuse themselves for 376 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: skeptics make by automatically saying that you know something is 377 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: because something is strange or currently inexplicable, that it's automatically 378 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: bunk with this. With this case, there's not any There's 379 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: not any case I can find in my research of 380 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 1: terasea basa um or excuse me, remi chua being investigated 381 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: or tested for any kind of extrasensory perception or so on. 382 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: And the truth of the matter is that had that 383 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: testing occurred and presuced produced some sort of statistically significant result, 384 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: then we probably would have heard of it, and you 385 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: probably would have heard of this case before. Still, ultimately, 386 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 1: and this is only my opinion here, the most important 387 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: thing is that the killer was apprehended. And finding the 388 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 1: real murderer instead of someone who's falsely convicted or instead 389 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,959 Speaker 1: of just someone who gets away is something that is 390 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: um extremely important. And I'm not, you know, at all 391 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 1: condoning bending the rules of the law, although I'm sure 392 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: statistically that happens as well. You know, Ben I, I 393 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: can't agree with you more. And I to kind of 394 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: give some context with this case, I'm going to read 395 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: a quote that comes from the Chicago Tribune says, we 396 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: asked detective Statue who broke the case if he believed 397 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: the Chiwa's he said, quote, I would not call anyone 398 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: a liar. If they had said they heard a voice 399 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: from God, I would listen. It would be wrong for 400 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: me to cut off an informant. I talked to pimps, prostitutes, 401 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: drug addicts in the Belmont area. Doctor and Mrs Chua 402 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 1: are educated, intelligent people who live in a ninety thousand 403 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: dollar house. It's a distinct change for me. 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