1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,320 Speaker 1: Truth plus Media. 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 2: With the first pick in the two thousand and eight 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 2: NBA Draft, the Chicago Bulls select Derek Rose from the 4 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,239 Speaker 2: University of Memphis. What was it? 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: Rondo, Helen Over Noahn. 6 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 3: Inbound, click back out to Gordon Gordon looking Gordon for playing? 7 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: Ben Gordon ties the game. What is up? 8 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 4: Family? 9 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 3: Welcome to another episode of Forgotten Seasons. This is your 10 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 3: host and creator of Forgotten Seasons, Dylan Dreyfus. Today we 11 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 3: are going to Shy City. We're going to relive the 12 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 3: Bulls two thousand and nine season with their starting two man, 13 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 3: one of the best shooters and scores of his era, 14 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 3: mister Ben Gordon. This season is highlighted by an unreal 15 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 3: seven game playoff series between the Bulls and the Celtics. 16 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 3: Our guy, Ben went absolutely crazy in that series, so 17 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 3: you'll hear him relive that. 18 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: But there's a lot more to learn and discuss. 19 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 3: We got a rookie d Rose, a young joke him Noah, 20 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 3: Captain Kirk Heinrich, Lou All Dang, and a lot more. 21 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: This was a really fun team. 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So, 42 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 3: as always, we're going to be reliving one season today. 43 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 3: Today is going to be two thousand and eight two 44 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 3: thousand and nine Chicago Bulls BG average twenty points per 45 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 3: game this season. They had an epic, epic playoff series 46 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,839 Speaker 3: against the Celtics, arguably the best seven game first round 47 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 3: series of all time. So BG, I want to start 48 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 3: in two thousand and six seven sort of the years 49 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 3: leading up to it. So that year, you guys win 50 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 3: forty nine games, you sweep the defending champion heat and 51 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 3: then going into the next year, oh seven to eight, 52 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 3: you guys take a big drop off. You only win 53 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,519 Speaker 3: thirty three games. What happens sort of in between those 54 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 3: two years that changes you, guys from playoff team that's 55 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 3: in the Eastern Conference SEMIS to then missing the playoffs 56 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 3: by a wide margin. 57 00:02:55,919 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 2: That's a good question, man, I really don't. We couldn't 58 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: put my finger on it. You know, we had a 59 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 2: lot of the same poor pieces, but you know, we 60 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 2: just for whatever reason that I think you had. 61 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 4: We may have had a few injuries. 62 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, well we had that drop off, but we had 63 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: the same core, you know, and then we're able to 64 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 2: come back the next year and have a really good, 65 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 2: uh you know series against you know, the Boston Celtics 66 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: and everything like that. We didn't advance, but you know, 67 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 2: like like you said, and you know, many other people 68 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: who followed us that year, that was probably one of 69 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: the best you know, first round, first round you know 70 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 2: series and history. You know, I still watch it into 71 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 2: this day and get goosebumps. Just watching and you know, 72 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 2: remembering some of those times and a lot of those 73 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 2: overtime games and just how intense the atmosphere was in 74 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 2: Boston and in Chicago. 75 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean four different games in that series go 76 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 3: into overtime. We got a few three overtime games. And 77 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 3: we'll get into that series, uh, sort of towards the 78 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 3: end of the episode, but now into the offseason. So 79 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 3: going into into the season, you guys are sitting at 80 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 3: the number eight spot in the draft lottery. Usually in history, 81 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 3: when you're that far, you're not going to creep up 82 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 3: that far. But lo and behold, you guys end up 83 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 3: with the number one pick. Were you watching that lottery 84 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 3: or you know, do you remember where you were? Were 85 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 3: you not even watching because you know you figured you 86 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 3: would have seventh, eighth, ninth pick. 87 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 2: I don't remember particularly watching that lottery, but I do 88 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: remember when you know, I heard it was going to be, 89 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 2: you know. 90 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 4: Number one pick. 91 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 2: Kind of knew that, you know, we're probably gonna get 92 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 2: Derek Rose, him being a hometown uh you know, native, 93 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 2: and just the upside he had coming out of college, 94 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 2: coming out of Memphis, and I was definitely excited about. 95 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 4: That, you know, so that was a that was a 96 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 4: good look man, having him coming in. 97 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 2: That was actually my last year with the Bulls too, 98 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 2: so I'm getting to play that my final season with 99 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 2: him and helped me go out kind of with a bang. 100 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 2: And you know, he was just such a mature and 101 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 2: gud I was ready for the spotlight, you know, early on. 102 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 3: Take me through just that first few practices training camp 103 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,679 Speaker 3: with the Rosi. You also have a young joke of Noah, 104 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 3: could you tell sort of right away when you're watching 105 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 3: Derek Rose that this dude's different and he's going to 106 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 3: be sort of the real deal. 107 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just never seen anybody move quite like him. 108 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 2: You know, he was like, you know, he was just 109 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 2: super explosive, like super athletic, and he had a great 110 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 2: feel for the game. At the early stage, you could 111 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: tell that, you know, he grew up around some old 112 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 2: heads or you know, I don't know if it was 113 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 2: older brothers or whatever that were like teaching him the game. 114 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:53,679 Speaker 2: You could tell you he was a student of the game, 115 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 2: and I loved him because he would always encourage me 116 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 2: to shoot. You know, sometimes you got a young kick 117 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 2: coming in and you don't know if you know, because 118 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 2: they're a star kind of in the making if they're 119 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 2: gonna you know, try to you know, just be a 120 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 2: little bit more aggressive or you know, look for their 121 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 2: own shot first. But as a true point guard that 122 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 2: he always was, he would always, you know, if I 123 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,239 Speaker 2: was having an offshoot and I encouraged me, ABG keeps shooting. 124 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 2: And we had a great chemistry, even though it was like, 125 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 2: you know, my only year playing together. 126 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 4: I think because him being. 127 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: From Chicago, he had watched a lot of my games, 128 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,799 Speaker 2: you know, growing up there, and he already knew my game, 129 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 2: you know, so that helped me tremendously to build chemistry 130 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 2: with him early on, and it was great. One thing 131 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 2: that was weird though, was like he came in the 132 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: league with like a reputation reputation of like not like 133 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 2: a great jump shooter, but like every practice that we had, 134 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 2: he was always knocking down jump shots. So it's something 135 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 2: that he was always working on. He was always a 136 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 2: hard worker and he always put that work in and 137 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 2: he didn't really get recognition for his jump shot, you know. 138 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 4: A couple of years later, but he always had a 139 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 4: nice shooting touch. 140 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 3: Probably picked up some things from you. One of the 141 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 3: one of the best shooters of that time. 142 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, a nice mean floaterd too, So I take a 143 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 2: little bit of credit for that. I think watch minds, 144 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 2: you know, years before. But you know he was he 145 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 2: was great player right away. 146 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 3: Right away, and he really takes the lead by by storm. 147 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 3: I want to just go through the roster quickly. Something 148 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 3: that we do with our guests is I'm just going 149 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 3: to say the player and say the first word phrase 150 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 3: story that comes to mind when you hear the name. 151 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 3: I actually want to start with you what what what 152 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 3: comes to mind when you just think of yourself in 153 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 3: Chicago in your last year. What do you remember from 154 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 3: that time? From from yourself? 155 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 4: I will say clutch you know, yes, sir, I was. 156 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 2: I was relied upon a lot for my scorn and 157 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 2: my shooting ability to just make big plays, you know, 158 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 2: and that was pretty much since day one. 159 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 4: You know. 160 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 2: I didn't start right away, but I always was relied 161 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: upon for my tough shot making ability and you know, 162 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 2: shooting under pressure and things like that. I didn't mind missing, 163 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 2: you know, at the end of games, I would just 164 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 2: say clutch Man because I was like a responsibility that. 165 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 4: Kind of fell in my lap and I was, you know. 166 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: More than ready to more than ready to, you know, 167 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 2: take on that that uh that. 168 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 3: Role that that playoff series again, we'll get into it, 169 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 3: but I couldn't even count there. Some someone on YouTube 170 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 3: put a full hour just like game by game highlights, 171 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 3: and there's got to be like ten twelve shots. I 172 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 3: remember there's even one time where the announcers like, what 173 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 3: is he doing? It was like one of those like 174 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 3: like all balanced shots, but they just they just went 175 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 3: and that whole series has those shots. So moving on 176 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 3: to the roster, let's go with lou All Dang, a 177 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 3: fellow britt. 178 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 4: Loyd Dang was. 179 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 2: When I think about Loyd Dang, I think about consistency. 180 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 2: He was just like an iron man, you know, like 181 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 2: this dude, you always knew exactly what you're gonna get 182 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 2: from all you know. You knew you were gonna get 183 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 2: someone who slashed to the rim when you might need somebody. 184 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 4: To bail you out and you didn't really have any offense. 185 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 2: You knew he was gonna be He's gonna knock down 186 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 2: that you know, that. 187 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 4: Mid range jump shot consistently. 188 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: You knew he was always gonna guard the other team's 189 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 2: best players, and he was gonna rebound and play team basketball. 190 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 2: So when I when I think that lou All, the 191 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 2: first thing that passed on my mind is just his 192 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 2: ability to consistent night in the night. 193 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 3: People talk a lot about how the Celtics didn't have 194 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 3: Kg in that playoff series, but you guys also didn't 195 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 3: have Luill, who was sort of your rock and that's 196 00:09:58,040 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 3: probably the guy that matches up against Paul Pierre. 197 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: She had some big moments. 198 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 3: Then then I would talk joke him Noah sort of 199 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 3: one of the I'm curious to hear what he was like, 200 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 3: I think this was his this was his second year. 201 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 3: Was he the same sort of just like crazy talking 202 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 3: all the time and practice? What was what was a 203 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 3: young Joe was just you know, he was great to 204 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 3: be around, man like his spirit and his energy. 205 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 2: On the court in practice every day. He always had 206 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 2: a lot of enthusiasm. He was always really read, uh 207 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 2: willing and ready to work. And you know, he had 208 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 2: a he had a good mix of like tenacity and 209 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 2: he also kept things light with his humor. You know, 210 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 2: like Joe was a really you know, like kind of 211 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 2: like a not you know, like a silly like goofy 212 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 2: dude in a good way. And like I said, he 213 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 2: was able to counter that with his tenacity and how 214 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 2: hard he played when he was on a court, you know, 215 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 2: so whatever, you know, like you know, joking around or whatever. 216 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 2: When it was time to be serious, Joe Kim was 217 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 2: consummate professional and he was just he was kind of 218 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 2: like one of our anchors, you know, like and we 219 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 2: you know, we won a lot of games because mhm. 220 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 3: Then talk to us about Tyres Thomas, the guy that 221 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 3: stepped up big for you guys a lot. And you know, 222 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 3: this was sort of when he was at his peak. 223 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 2: Tyres Man, he was one of the most athletic bigs 224 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 2: I played with. 225 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 4: You know, he had a unique skill set. 226 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 2: He would get into trouble sometimes because he had other skills. 227 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 4: He could do some things. 228 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 2: He was a decent passer, He had a decent handle 229 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 2: for a four man. But when he was most effective 230 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: was when he was running the floor, catching lobs, blocking shots, 231 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 2: making a simple play. Tyres was a huge asset for us, 232 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 2: man because the way we played defense, it was it 233 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 2: was we played team defense, you know, so we had 234 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 2: a thing where if you were able to cover your man, 235 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 2: you know, for three slides or two slides, you know, 236 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 2: everybody was on a string, you know, and Tyres was 237 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 2: a huge component to our defense with his length and just. 238 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 4: His ability that his ability to you know, clean things 239 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,839 Speaker 4: up at the rim. And you know, he had a. 240 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: Lot of attitude with him too, so that that a 241 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 2: lot of attitude and fighting, you know what I'm saying. 242 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 2: So that thing that that just kind of you fit 243 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 2: the the mold the team was made under, you know, 244 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 2: and he really embodied like the energy at the time. 245 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 4: Mm hm. So it was a great plan to m hm. 246 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 3: Then going into just sort of the league, I'm curious 247 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 3: to hear as one of the best scoring two guards 248 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 3: in the league. First, sort of looking at around the 249 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 3: league when you're on defense, who are the guys that 250 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 3: you that you had the most trouble with, you know 251 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 3: when you were on defense, because that was that was 252 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 3: a great era of shooting guards, right Obviously you got Cobe, 253 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 3: got Brandon, Roy Ray Allen. Who are the guys that 254 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 3: when you run the defensive end you had to really 255 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 3: lock in and. 256 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: Put your full effort there. 257 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 4: The toughest guy for me to guard. 258 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 2: There was a couple of them, but I would have 259 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 2: to probably say d Wade, you know, because Kobe too obviously, 260 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 2: but d Wade was like six to four, and so 261 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 2: I would guard him a little bit more often than 262 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 2: I garted Kobe normally. When we played Kobe, that was 263 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 2: like somebody else. But I got a chance to guard 264 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 2: d Wade a lot more. He was the toughest by 265 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 2: far because he played way bigger than the size. He 266 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 2: was crafty, he was shifty, he was you know, strong 267 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 2: as a nots you know, super athletic. And then another 268 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 2: guy too was Chauncey Man because he would always took 269 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 2: good job of like drawing like two thousand on me 270 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 2: early in the game to try to you know, get 271 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 2: me in foul trouble and put me on the bench 272 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 2: and things like that to neutralize as me because they knew, 273 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 2: you know. 274 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 4: My offensive ability and everything like that. 275 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 2: But you know, Baron Davis, you know, there's so many guys, man, 276 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 2: but you know, those those three kind of stick out 277 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 2: to me. D Wade, Chauncey and b D. Those are 278 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 2: some of the toughest guys to guard. 279 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 3: Chutt to b D we had him on a few 280 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 3: weeks ago. Who were the guys then on the defensive 281 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 3: end when they were match up against you that that 282 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 3: you respected the most as a defender. 283 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 2: Number one, I would say Tony Allen, you know what 284 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like he was you know he was. 285 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 4: He was the best defensive player I had seen. 286 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 2: And like my battles with Tony kind of started before 287 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 2: our NBA career is you know, I'm getting drafted here 288 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 2: to Chicago, and then Tony being from Chicago, I would 289 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 2: see him a lot, like pick up and stuff like 290 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 2: that in the city and from how he would compete 291 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 2: in the summers. Man, just playing pick up, I knew, like, oh, man, 292 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 2: like this dude is is a nightmare. So I always 293 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 2: had the most respect for him as a defender, and 294 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 2: I knew I had to bring my a game, you know, 295 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 2: whenever I've seen him, but he was probably the toughest 296 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 2: hands down. 297 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 3: So then just getting into the season, you guys go 298 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 3: forty one and forty one, you're the seventh seed and 299 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 3: you're drawing the Celtics, and that is without Kevin Garnett. 300 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 3: Is there like a sigh of relief when you know 301 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 3: you see Kevin Garnett is out for that that entire 302 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 3: series rain Defense Player of the Year. I Mean, we 303 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 3: could go on about kg's accolades, but is that even 304 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 3: mentioned sort of in the locker room or is it 305 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 3: just like zero in doesn't matter who's out there. 306 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 2: Well, you know, being a pro, you know that when 307 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 2: somebody's out, you know there's an opportunity for somebody that's 308 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 2: not playing a lot to kind of step up, you know. 309 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 4: So obviously they didn't have anybody. 310 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 2: Who could really, you know, do what CAG did, but 311 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 2: there were some other key players that they had that 312 00:15:57,920 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 2: you know, they got a little bit more minute and 313 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 2: they stepped up, and you know, they were a fulmmidable opponent. 314 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 2: So we didn't take them for granted even though KG 315 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 2: was out, But it was like a little bit of 316 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 2: a cyber relief because we didn't have new Wall, so 317 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 2: we want full strength ourselves. But you know, there was 318 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 2: still a really good team and it went down, you know, 319 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 2: all the way to the wire, and they ended up 320 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 2: beating US, I think on their home court Game seven. 321 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 2: But we knew they weren't in a slouch, you know, 322 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 2: even though they have KG, and we knew we had 323 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 2: our workouts for us. 324 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 3: I want to go into just the series as a 325 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 3: whole after watching through it and sort of seeing what 326 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 3: I saw, and then sort of go game by game. 327 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 3: So just at first, the first thing that I noticed 328 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 3: was your huge shots. But then the next thing was 329 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 3: just that battle between Derek Rose and Rondo. Derek Rose 330 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 3: is the rookie, and then this is when I think 331 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 3: Rondo really picks up that slack. When KG is out, 332 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 3: people sort of forget how good and how unique his 333 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 3: his game was. Obviously he was never, never a shooter, 334 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 3: but when I think of quarterbacks as as point guards, 335 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 3: he's probably number one. What did you see just from 336 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 3: that battle of Derek and and Rondo. 337 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 2: Man, I saw two guys that were competing at the 338 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 2: highest level. You know, Rondo was just like, you know, 339 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 2: he was a stat stuff all the way back then. 340 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 4: Man, he would you know, do everything. You know, he 341 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 4: was a flaw in general. 342 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 2: He would get to all the fifty to fifty balls, 343 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 2: you know, even though he couldn't shoot that well, he 344 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 2: would find ways of strong transition and still attack of defense. 345 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 2: And you just saw a young Derek Rose really rise 346 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 2: to the challenge. And even though you know d Rose 347 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 2: had all the you know, maybe some more physical gifts 348 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 2: in Rondo, you've seen Rondo really making him work, you know, 349 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 2: mentally to keep up with him. And have some big 350 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 2: games itself. So that was like a really good matchup 351 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 2: to watch. You know, I'm seeing the young, young d 352 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 2: Rose and then you know Rondo west More experience. 353 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 4: Well, you know, I think d Rose held his own man. 354 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 2: He did a great job competing with him, but it 355 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 2: was like, yeah, they would at each other's strokes man 356 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 2: the whole series. 357 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: For real, And. 358 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 3: Yeah and as a rookie too, d Rose. I went 359 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 3: back and looked, and he averaged nineteen six and six 360 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 3: in that series in the playoffs. If you have bick 361 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 3: in history of rookies averaging nineteen and six assists in 362 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 3: the playoffs, it's only him, Michael Jordan and Stefan Marbury 363 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 3: and Marbary and mj played less games than him. They 364 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 3: played like three and five games. So that just whenever 365 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 3: you're on a list with with Michael Jordan, there's three people, 366 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 3: you're doing something right. The next thing, the next thing 367 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 3: that I noticed that you know, you had to deal with, 368 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 3: was just how miserable it looked to guard Ray Allen 369 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 3: in a playoff series. 370 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: Like, you know, I would think. 371 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 3: That as a defender, guarding someone on ball is one thing, 372 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 3: but that dude just doesn't stop moving. You're running into 373 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 3: like Glenn Davis and Kendrick Perkins screens. 374 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: What was that? 375 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 4: What was that? Like? 376 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 2: It was just like a track meet, man. And it 377 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 2: was tough because that was my game too. I used 378 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 2: to run and you know, and play off the ball 379 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 2: a lot as well. So it was just no relaxing, man. 380 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 2: It was it was like, you know, after I did 381 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 2: my running around and to get to my shot, I 382 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 2: knew I had to come down on the other end 383 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 2: and chase Ray, you know, and like you said, running 384 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 2: around trying not to run into a big, big baby, 385 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 2: trying not to run into Perth. You know, these guys 386 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 2: is making their money and they're earning off of setting 387 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 2: sideless screens and setting some illegal screens. 388 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 4: You know. 389 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 2: So it was just tough, man, And but it was fun. 390 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 2: It was fun as hell. It was like the first 391 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 2: time playing against somebody where like I might run off 392 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 2: like three, how have many baskets in the row, And 393 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 2: then on the other end, he's like matching. Every time 394 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 2: I make a shot, he make a shot. So I'm 395 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 2: just like yo, Like normally I'm the guy who has 396 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 2: an upper hand, and you know, when I get into 397 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 2: these hot streaks, I kind of you know, neutralize my defender. 398 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 4: But it was it was fun, man, but it was 399 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 4: it was so. 400 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 2: Tough, you know, running chasing Ray and then he you 401 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 2: know raised like six six, so you know, trying to 402 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 2: you know get a maximum you know, jump every time 403 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 2: the contested shots. 404 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 4: It was just tough. But you know I learned a 405 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 4: lot from that series. 406 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 2: And you know, we didn't really talk much during the series, 407 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 2: but at the end, you know, I remember like him 408 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 2: embracing me and saying some con worse whatever, and I 409 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 2: just remember being salty man that we lost that series. 410 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 4: He was so close. 411 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 3: Mm hmm, you guys go, I mean you're both Yukon guys. 412 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 3: Is there is there any history there? Did you know 413 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 3: him before? 414 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 4: Yeah? 415 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 2: Ray, he actually came up to Yukon and the summers 416 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 2: and you know he would play pick up with the 417 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 2: guys and stuff like that, and so anytime, as you know, 418 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 2: I remember being on campus in the summers and anytime 419 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 2: guys would come back, guys like A well, I then 420 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 2: didn't play at Yukon, but he would come back. I 421 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 2: think he was he was in Connecticut around that time 422 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 2: or like close by. I don't know if he was 423 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 2: playing with Boston, but Ray would come up and I 424 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 2: just remember always, you know, anytime I got a chance 425 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 2: to play against him, trying to go at him, and 426 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 2: you know, I'm kind of measure myself against him. So 427 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 2: it kind of gave me that feel of, you know, 428 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 2: maybe if I got a couple moves off of him 429 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 2: over you know, in the summertime. You know, while I 430 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 2: was at Yukon and he was in the pros, I 431 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 2: had a little bit of confidence in the storage, you know, 432 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 2: just just remembering some of those moments, and I wanted to. 433 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 4: Go out there and I had so much respect. 434 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 2: For him, but I wanted to compete at a high 435 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 2: level and you know, give him a run for his moment. 436 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 2: So it was definitely definitely a great experience, like getting 437 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 2: to go up against Ray, especially him being in the lump. 438 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. 439 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 4: Yeah. 440 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 3: It's back and forth between you guys. Then to just 441 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 3: get into the series sort of one game at a time. 442 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 3: So Game one sort of right off the bat, you 443 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 3: guys are on the road and you beat them. That's 444 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 3: an overtime game. D Rose has thirty six and eleven 445 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 3: you have twenty, but really come alive late. What's the 446 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 3: what's the feeling and sort of going into Boston the 447 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 3: number two seed and beating them on their home floor 448 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 3: game one. What's what's that sort of like after and 449 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,719 Speaker 3: does that change the mindset at all in the locker room. 450 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 4: Well, we did what we wanted to do. 451 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 2: We want to go in and you know, get a game, 452 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 2: and it was just it was amazing, man, like seeing 453 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 2: the energy and the way that the Rose came out 454 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 2: and he let us having thirty six. I just remember thinking, like, Yo, 455 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 2: this kid is really big time, you know what I'm 456 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 2: saying as a limit, So it was dope, man And 457 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 2: that was kind of like probably one of the first 458 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 2: times where like I really really like that was the 459 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 2: game where I really realized like, okay, like you know, 460 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 2: he's the future. You know, like he came out and 461 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 2: he let us. I think he let he may have 462 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 2: let all scores on that game, and you know, it 463 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 2: was just it was just dope, man, like starting off 464 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 2: like that, and you know, we definitely we didn't get 465 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 2: ahead of ourselves. I didn't get ahead of ourselves, but 466 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 2: I kind of sense that the younger guys were, you know, 467 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 2: I don't want to say they thought we had it 468 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 2: in the bag. 469 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 4: But you know, they I. 470 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 2: Don't think they really knew what the NBA Playoff series 471 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 2: was like and how like, you know, you have to 472 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 2: stay even killed, you know, no matter what's going on. 473 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 2: But yeah, man, it was a great experience starting the 474 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 2: series off that way. 475 00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 4: And I think we ended up losing the second game 476 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 4: or something like that. 477 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 3: But yeah, you guys, Yeah, you guys lose the second game, 478 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 3: but that's when you put up forty two, which I 479 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 3: which I believe playoff career high. Is that the value 480 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 3: is that the best you've ever played in a loss. 481 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was definitely the best I've ever played in 482 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 2: the playoff loss. So it was a bittersweet, you know. 483 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 2: You know, I wanted to come out and be aggressive, 484 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 2: you know, especially after coming off of you know that 485 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 2: one guy the first time. 486 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 4: Ah, you know, I thought I did my job. 487 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 2: You know, maybe we could have got you know, some 488 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 2: other people involved a little bit more and given ourselves 489 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 2: a better chance. 490 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 4: But that was my job to come out. 491 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 2: Be aggressive, you know, look for my offense and h 492 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 2: shoot the ball and score for us. So that kind 493 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 2: of set everything back, like Okay, like you know, we came. 494 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 4: Out, we got one of the the road now we've got. 495 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 2: To figure out how to go home and try to 496 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 2: get you know, the next couple of games. 497 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 4: Mm hmm. 498 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 3: Then Game three, you guys sort of get get smacked 499 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 3: on your own floor. And then game four is the 500 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 3: first three overtime game. What is it like just in 501 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 3: the playoffs? Like in a three overtime game, I'm not 502 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 3: sure how many times in history it's happened, but it 503 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,959 Speaker 3: can't be too many, Like is it just like damn 504 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 3: like like like something's just got to break Because if 505 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 3: you watch that series, like every single shot desperation shot 506 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 3: that goes up, goes in, doesn't matter if it's you, 507 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 3: Ray Allen, like even Glenn Davis is hitting shots. 508 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 1: It just seems like you guys. 509 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 3: For most of the series were within two to three 510 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 3: points of each other the whole time. So what's what's 511 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 3: a three overtime playoff game? 512 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:46,239 Speaker 1: Like? 513 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 2: It just was never ending, man, And you know, you 514 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 2: thought that you would be exhausted, but because it was 515 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 2: just like every single possession counted and you couldn't really rest, 516 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 2: you couldn't really catch your breath. It was probably like 517 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 2: the most focused and locked in you know, I'd ever 518 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 2: been in any game, and you know, getting those five 519 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 2: minutes over times and getting another five minutes to go 520 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 2: out there and try and secure the game. 521 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 4: You felt like you had no energy. 522 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 2: But then at the same time, it's like, damn, I 523 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 2: can't let Ray get this open shot right here. 524 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 4: I gotta you know, sprend as hard as I can. 525 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 2: You know, I gotta communicate with joke him and tires 526 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 2: to you know, help me if I need the help. 527 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 4: You know. 528 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 2: So you're just completely locked in, and it's like you're 529 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 2: running on fumes, drinking red bulls, doing everything you can 530 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 2: on the bench. 531 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 4: You know, you got your hot packs, you know, trying 532 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 4: to stay loose. 533 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,439 Speaker 2: So it's just it's just a test of you know, 534 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 2: your mental fortitude, and you know we trained hard all 535 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 2: year around, but it's like really more of a mental 536 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 2: battle than anything, and you're trying not to give up 537 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 2: anything to your opponent. And that was like, you know, 538 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 2: the best experience, you know that that going into those overtimes. 539 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 4: You know, it was exciting and nerve racking at the 540 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 4: same time. 541 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. 542 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 3: Game five another overtime loss. You hit countless big shots. 543 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 3: That's when we said, you know, you hit that shot 544 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 3: when the announcer says, what is he doing? But you 545 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 3: guys go ahead at the end of the fourth and 546 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 3: then Game six is another three overtime game highlighted by 547 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 3: John Salmons, who scores thirty five points. And he comes 548 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 3: over this year in a trade from Sacramento. 549 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: What what was he like? Sort of as a vet? 550 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 4: What is you? 551 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: What do you remember from John Salmons? 552 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 4: You know, I'm John Simons. 553 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 2: I've played against John in college when he was at Miami, 554 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 2: so you know, he was always just a quiet assassin man. 555 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 2: He fit into our team really well, especially not having 556 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 2: the wall for that series. So you know the way 557 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 2: John was able to get to the rim, you know, 558 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 2: create his own offense, knockdown you know, spot up jumpers 559 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,479 Speaker 2: and things of that nature. And he had that hesy 560 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,479 Speaker 2: pull that he would always rock guys asleep with. It 561 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 2: was just for me and Derek Man, it was like, 562 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 2: you know, we needed that offense from the perimeter, like 563 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 2: I said, because we didn't have the wall, and John 564 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 2: was like, you know a big part of our success 565 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 2: that year and a part of our offense. And know, 566 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,959 Speaker 2: he was one of my favorite teammates because he just 567 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 2: came every night to play. He didn't complain No, he 568 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 2: made the best out of whatever opportunities he was getting 569 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 2: on the offensive man, and he. 570 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 4: Was a solid competitor and defender as well. 571 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 2: So it was great playing with John and seeing him 572 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 2: explode during that game because we really needed that offense man, 573 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 2: especially with the other Rondo and those guys No and 574 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 2: all the staring they had. So it was great too, 575 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 2: you know, have John out there that could take the 576 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 2: pressure off all the guys on offense. 577 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: Mm hm. 578 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 3: So you guys sort of you stay alive game six, 579 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 3: but then Game seven they end up winning by ten 580 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 3: to move on. 581 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: And then so. 582 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 3: That's that's the last last game that you play as 583 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 3: a Bull. Can you walk us through just what happens 584 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 3: with that off season? That offseason, I was doing some 585 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 3: reading and I saw that I don't believe Chicago even 586 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 3: offered you. 587 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: You end up you end up going. 588 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 3: To Detroit getting paid. But just walk us through, like 589 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 3: what's going through your mind in that whole situation? Uh, 590 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 3: going into free agency and ended up in Detroit. 591 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 2: Well, it really kind of started the year, you know, 592 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 2: like you know, right in the preseason. It was you know, 593 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 2: the summer before we having you know, tough bottom negotiations 594 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 2: things just reach a stalemate. So I kind of knew, like, okay, 595 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 2: this could possibly, you know, your last year in Chicago. 596 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 2: So just if it is, you know, go out there 597 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 2: and you know, make it your best year. I really 598 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 2: wanted to come back to Chicago, but it was just 599 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 2: it was weird. Man. It was like, I remember before 600 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 2: the season started, I signed a qualifying offer and I 601 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 2: remember speaking to. 602 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 4: People in the front office and they were. 603 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 2: Just, no, you didn't you know, you didn't really get 604 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 2: what you thought you were worth this year. 605 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 4: The worst thing you could do is come out. 606 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 2: And not be a professional and you know, kind of 607 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 2: complain and mom, And I was like, well, that's the firstest. 608 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 4: Thing from what I, you know, plan on doing. I 609 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 4: want to come out, have a great year, you. 610 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 2: Know, represent the Bulls on myself as best as I can, 611 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,239 Speaker 2: and then we'll come back to the table next year 612 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 2: and see, you know, what's what. But then I remember 613 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 2: that next off season, I think the only team, I 614 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 2: think the only teams that really had like cap room, 615 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 2: I think was. 616 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 4: Detroit and Toronto. 617 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 2: And so it was just kind of odd, like having like, 618 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 2: you know, after the season is over, being in the 619 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 2: city and you know, people really like championing us. 620 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 4: Even though we didn't make it out the first round. 621 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 2: We just I just felt like I was definitely going 622 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 2: to be back, you know, the next year. But then 623 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 2: in July it was just quiet. 624 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 4: Man. I just remember only hearing from Detroit. 625 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 2: I remember not hearing from Chicago, and I thought it 626 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 2: was really odd that, you know, it would end like that, 627 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 2: not even like a call like hey man, you know, 628 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 2: you know, we don't have cap room or whatever the 629 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 2: case may be. But I got that call from Detroit. 630 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 2: They were interested from the jump. That was like my 631 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 2: only deal on the table. A lot of people thought 632 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 2: I had a deal from Chicago on the table. 633 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 4: I didn't know. So I went to Detroit. Situation was 634 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 4: a little uncertain, but you know. 635 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 2: I like the talent they had and and you know, 636 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 2: obviously watching Joe Dumars and being a fan of his 637 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 2: as a kid, and you know, it was a pro 638 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 2: you know, it was a no brainer, you know, to 639 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 2: go there, and you know, started the second chapter of 640 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 2: my career. But I always wanted to and I always 641 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 2: thought I would spend more time in Chicago, especially after 642 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 2: having that first season with the Rose. 643 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 4: I thought there was a lot for us to build on. 644 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 2: I think we're probably like one of the we're not 645 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 2: probably one of the most dangerous back course in the league. 646 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 2: So it was it was a better sweet, you know, 647 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 2: getting a chance to get paid and you know, go 648 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 2: somewhere else. But I just felt like the quality of 649 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 2: the teams and things that I played them were always 650 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 2: the best in Chicago, and you know, so I definitely 651 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 2: missed that. 652 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 4: Mm hmm. 653 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 3: Well you got sort of the tail end of that 654 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 3: Piston's core because you're still they still got ripped and Tashaw. 655 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: They don't have Chaunte anymore. 656 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 3: But from what I recall, there's a lot of injuries there, 657 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 3: like Rip gets injured, Tshawn, so you don't really have 658 00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 3: the full squad. Yeah, I guess just reflect think on 659 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 3: your time in Chicago, is eight or nine in in 660 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 3: your mind your best season? I think statistically if you 661 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 3: look at that season and then six oh seven, they're similar. 662 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: But when you look back, what do you what do 663 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: you think is your best year? 664 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 2: I would say my third year, which I think was 665 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 2: six oh seven, and then that O eight oh nine. 666 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 4: Those are my two favorite years. 667 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 2: I'll say I'll probably will say oh six oh seven, though, 668 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 2: just because you know, we made it to the second 669 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 2: round of the playoffs. 670 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 4: We swept the Heat who won the championship the year. 671 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 2: Before, So that was like, you know, dope, no, you know, 672 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 2: going down to Miami and you know, me and the 673 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 2: Wall we really killed, had like big series, you know. 674 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 2: So I think it's a toss up between those two seasons. 675 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 2: Those are two of my favorite seasons though, but I 676 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 2: gotta probably give the nine to the six oh seven 677 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 2: just because you know, we made it to the second round, 678 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 2: and I was huge for some young young guys. 679 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 3: You ever think about what what your game would be 680 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 3: like if you got the chance to play sort of 681 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 3: today shooting like fifteen threes a game. 682 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, man, I was just in the gym 683 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:20,240 Speaker 2: and I actually seen Thht and Kendrick Nunning there working 684 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 2: on you know, those extended three pointers, and I was 685 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 2: just sitting there thinking to myself, Man, if I played 686 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 2: in this era right now, it would be so much 687 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 2: fun to just be able to shoot twenty threes or 688 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 2: you know, be able to pull from you know, the logo, 689 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 2: even though I didn't really I don't think I had 690 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 2: that kind of range, but I never really worked on it, 691 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 2: you know, that wasn't like a thing back then. 692 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 4: So I think about that often. 693 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,919 Speaker 2: Man, how much more free to free flowing the game 694 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 2: is now, and you know how much leeway you know, 695 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 2: shooters and stores had, So I think I would have 696 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 2: probably went off man in this era for sure. 697 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 3: He's range like God given talent or do you work 698 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 3: on it? Because we talked to to Matt Barnes, you 699 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 3: was talking about Vince Carter like just being able to 700 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 3: like pull from half court like without without stepping, and 701 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 3: you look at guys like Dame. Now is that strength 702 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 3: God given? You know, someone like you who's I. 703 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 4: Think I think it's like a combination of. 704 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 2: I would say it's strength, but it's also like your 705 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 2: mechanics and like your release points, and there's so many 706 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 2: different things that that playing to it. 707 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 4: Because you'll see some guys that. 708 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 2: You know, don't look very strong, but they're able to, 709 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 2: you know, get that ball off from distance. And you know, 710 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,399 Speaker 2: I wasn't a guy who could pull from half part 711 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,399 Speaker 2: like that. I always wanted to, you know, take high 712 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 2: percentage shots and try to give myself the best chance 713 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 2: to make a shot. 714 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 4: But you know, having that freedom now to extend your. 715 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 2: Range and like not deal with, you know, like that 716 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 2: kind of eliminates some defensive pressure when you can pull, 717 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 2: you know on a guy and he's like five feet 718 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 2: away from you. 719 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 4: So I wish I would have had that as an 720 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 4: option in my you know, my repertoire when I was playing. 721 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 2: But I think it's a it's a I want to 722 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 2: say it's a strength thing. But you know, you see 723 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 2: guys like Steph weren't like super big or anything like that. 724 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 2: It's it's his technique and mechanics more than anything that 725 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 2: I think, you know, allow him to to shoot the 726 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 2: ball that way. 727 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. 728 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 3: And then just wrapping up, I know that you said 729 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 3: you're in the gym, you watch the young guys. Is 730 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,720 Speaker 3: there anybody in today's league that reminds you of yourself? 731 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 4: It's tough to say, because the game is it's a 732 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 4: little bit different. It's tough to say. 733 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 2: Man if I if there's anybody that reminds me of 734 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 2: myself right now, I can definitely watch and I see, 735 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 2: like certain things that players do, I can tell that 736 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 2: they watch they watched me, you know, like I can tell, 737 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:08,320 Speaker 2: like you know that there was some things that obviously 738 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 2: Steph knows way better than I was. But I've heard 739 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 2: him say, you know certain things with this shot that 740 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 2: he watched me. You know, all those guys, man, they're 741 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 2: all students of the game. You guys like dang hm. 742 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 2: They like guys who can play the one in the two. 743 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 2: You know, I played mostly the two, but I had 744 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 2: I was more of a combo guard. I think the 745 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 2: guys that are combo guards now they all have the 746 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,959 Speaker 2: ball in their hands a lot more. So it's hard 747 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 2: for me to say if I see anybody now that's playing, 748 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 2: that reminds me, who do you think anybody stick out 749 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:43,239 Speaker 2: to you? 750 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 3: I was trying to look today, like you know, there 751 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 3: there's there's hints of people like I think that you 752 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 3: were the better player, but like someone like Tim Hardaway Junior, 753 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 3: like he's got the quick release, like doesn't matter if 754 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:56,919 Speaker 3: there's a hand in the face. 755 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: I see some similarities there. 756 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 3: But I think, like you said, like you were, you're 757 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 3: sort of a rare, a rare breed in that you weren't, 758 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 3: you know, a six five six six shooting guard that 759 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:08,800 Speaker 3: could really. 760 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:09,760 Speaker 1: Shoot on top of people. 761 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,720 Speaker 3: But you also didn't need much room and you had 762 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 3: sort of the quick strap, so I would have I 763 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 3: would have loved to see what your game would have 764 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,320 Speaker 3: been like if if you were playing in a faster game, 765 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 3: maybe maybe extending your range. But uh, you know, we 766 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 3: talked to Alex English and he said, like, what's beautiful 767 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 3: about basketball is that no two players are the same. 768 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 3: You can sort of you can sort of pick similarities 769 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 3: from people. 770 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 1: But yeah, it would have been great. 771 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 3: To see to see you and some other guys that 772 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 3: played in that era be able to have the freedom 773 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,439 Speaker 3: to you know, Jack ten a game and not even 774 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 3: think about it. But anyways, we appreciate you for coming on, Beg. 775 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 3: This was definitely a memorable season. Again that that playoff 776 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,759 Speaker 3: series alone makes makes it makes it significant. So I'll 777 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 3: just get to you, you know, thank you, any any 778 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,720 Speaker 3: last words you got from from just reflecting on this season. 779 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 4: It was a great season. Like I said, it was 780 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 4: my last year with the Bulls. It was. 781 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 2: It was a very like pressure field season because I 782 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 2: remember I signed that qualifying offer and you know I 783 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 2: could have gotten I could have gotten hurt, you know, 784 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 2: like you see a situation that just happened with uh 785 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,440 Speaker 2: then the schroulder where you know, he turned some money 786 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 2: down and now he's playing. 787 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 4: For a lesser contract. 788 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 2: So I was kind of like in a situation like that, 789 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:42,880 Speaker 2: you know, where I had to kind of better on 790 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,919 Speaker 2: myself and I ended up paying off. 791 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 4: You know, I got a contract in Detroit. H h. 792 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 2: My years there weren't so successful, but you know, our 793 00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 2: window as athletes is you know, short. 794 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:01,960 Speaker 4: So I was happy that I was able to go 795 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 4: out and. 796 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 2: Have a great season on the way out for my 797 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 2: fans in Chicago and all the people who you know 798 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 2: still rocking me today. I always wanted to be in 799 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,400 Speaker 2: Chicago a little bit more, but uh, you know that 800 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 2: was that was the best I could do. 801 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 4: So yeah, thanks for having me on the show. 802 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:26,359 Speaker 3: Man Now, we appreciate you and take care you well. 803 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,640 Speaker 3: Appreciate you man, all right, man, you as well. 804 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,319 Speaker 4: Man take it well. 805 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 3: That was the show guys, thank you for tapping in. 806 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 3: I love Ben Gordon. I come from Connecticut. He was 807 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 3: a Yukon legend before these days with the Bulls and 808 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 3: just one of the forgotten guys that always gets brought 809 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 3: up on the Instagram page. So tough would be even 810 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:50,160 Speaker 3: better in this open era. You can find more Forgotten 811 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 3: Seasons on Instagram and Twitter, and be sure to check 812 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,920 Speaker 3: out our YouTube page. We're pushing a lot of new 813 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,320 Speaker 3: content over there. Also, be sure to visit truthplus media 814 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,960 Speaker 3: dot com for more in depth looks at these amazing 815 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,280 Speaker 3: stories from NBA history. 816 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:03,640 Speaker 1: Be sure to stay tuned. 817 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,520 Speaker 3: We got more on the way, and until next time, 818 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 3: be good,