1
00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:06,120
Speaker 1: Oh soon.

2
00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:14,240
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Ozone Podcast with Jaguars senior writer John Oser.

3
00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,880
Speaker 2: Welcome into this week's Ozone podcast. And I always say

4
00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,520
Speaker 2: I'm excited about every guest, but I'm always excited to

5
00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,040
Speaker 2: talk to this week's guest, Jaguar safety Andrew Winguard.

6
00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,200
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us for this, Thank you for having me.

7
00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,800
Speaker 2: And it seems like in a lot of ways you've

8
00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,360
Speaker 2: really come to symbolize this franchise and define this franchise.

9
00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,800
Speaker 2: First of all, you know, do you like that and

10
00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,760
Speaker 2: do you feel like that's true in any way?

11
00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:42,959
Speaker 1: You know, I'll take what I can get from from

12
00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:47,159
Speaker 1: where you know, from where you know the team has

13
00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:54,360
Speaker 1: been right, And if the team or the fans look

14
00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:58,480
Speaker 1: to me for energy and for enthusiasm, then I can

15
00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:03,160
Speaker 1: absolutely give you that. And I do love that because

16
00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,200
Speaker 1: I believe in positivity. I believe in all that stuff

17
00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:11,039
Speaker 1: and I try to embody that. And obviously people have

18
00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:15,199
Speaker 1: started to see that and it feels good. It does

19
00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:15,600
Speaker 1: for sure.

20
00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,720
Speaker 2: When you're out and about how often you hear it

21
00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:19,959
Speaker 2: was always the Jags.

22
00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,440
Speaker 1: All the time, especially because I can't hide and stuff

23
00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:28,200
Speaker 1: like that. So but I remember talking with with our

24
00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,200
Speaker 1: doctor Franco and he was talking about last year how

25
00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:38,560
Speaker 1: that a word or a sentence or a phrase became

26
00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:43,720
Speaker 1: almost tangible to where when that was said, energy came

27
00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:45,840
Speaker 1: from it. And to me, that was the coolest thing.

28
00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:51,240
Speaker 1: How something that just came came to me and in

29
00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,200
Speaker 1: the you know, heat of the moment, you say something,

30
00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,559
Speaker 1: and yet that becomes kind of a driving force into

31
00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,840
Speaker 1: a playoff, run, a turnaround, if you will. So that's

32
00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,120
Speaker 1: probably the coolest thing to me. But yeah, I get

33
00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:03,760
Speaker 1: it all the time.

34
00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,040
Speaker 2: So when you're at target and publics and somebody comes

35
00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,400
Speaker 2: up to you and says that, I gotta think that

36
00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:15,240
Speaker 2: that's a great feeling for like you remember it. And

37
00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,560
Speaker 2: I mean sometimes I get anybody in public eye doesn't

38
00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,880
Speaker 2: love being approached, but I gotta think that's a great thing.

39
00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, never ends. And I'm definitely you know, I'm the

40
00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,200
Speaker 1: simple guy who just wants to be another human you know,

41
00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:31,919
Speaker 1: I'm not looking for any sort of recognition. I actually,

42
00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,160
Speaker 1: and don't take this the wrong way. I prefer just

43
00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,160
Speaker 1: to go out and not be recognized and just being

44
00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,480
Speaker 1: you know, another you know, another human being, because that's

45
00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:40,919
Speaker 1: what we all are at the end of the day.

46
00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,400
Speaker 1: But it is cool, especially you know, when I first

47
00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,600
Speaker 1: showed up here my first couple of years, I was like,

48
00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,600
Speaker 1: I don't even want to be seen in public first

49
00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:51,840
Speaker 1: picking the draft two years in a row, stuff like that.

50
00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,960
Speaker 1: But it is cool, and it's cool that the fans

51
00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,200
Speaker 1: now have a team to root for that's produce, that

52
00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:04,160
Speaker 1: can produce and can you know, not just be terrible? Right?

53
00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,800
Speaker 2: And this is a little bit of a different season

54
00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:13,000
Speaker 2: than last year, where there was just momentum going at

55
00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,679
Speaker 2: the end of last year, do you guys sinse that

56
00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,040
Speaker 2: it's a different season. And as you go into this

57
00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:23,799
Speaker 2: game against Tennessee, which is a must win, somehow through.

58
00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,120
Speaker 1: A wild route, you're.

59
00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:28,760
Speaker 2: In the same place as last year with the chance

60
00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,480
Speaker 2: to go after it. Is that what you're embracing this

61
00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:32,200
Speaker 2: week as a team.

62
00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,360
Speaker 1: You have to right again. When we stepped in in

63
00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,920
Speaker 1: training camp, we said win the AFC South and we've

64
00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,280
Speaker 1: put our here. We have the opportunity. And if if

65
00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,080
Speaker 1: your immediate gut reaction is to start to think, oh

66
00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,880
Speaker 1: well it could, you've lost already.

67
00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:49,200
Speaker 2: Right.

68
00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,560
Speaker 1: If that's your gut reaction to go into the what

69
00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:57,360
Speaker 1: I call the sewer cycle of negative thinking, then you're

70
00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,320
Speaker 1: gonna get negative results, So flip that positive mindset. Here

71
00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,200
Speaker 1: we are and all we can ask for is an opportunity,

72
00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,000
Speaker 1: an opportunity to control our own destiny, and we do

73
00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,280
Speaker 1: when that's it. So I'm sorry, No, you're fine.

74
00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,440
Speaker 2: And first of all, is a sewer cycle yours?

75
00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,480
Speaker 1: It's not, okay, I kind of I guess I did

76
00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,920
Speaker 1: kind of steal it's it's from this book. It's called

77
00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:24,520
Speaker 1: The Confident Mind by doctor Nate Zencer. He's like the

78
00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,679
Speaker 1: head of sports psychology at Army West Point.

79
00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,760
Speaker 2: Now you like that stuff, right, sort of thinking it

80
00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,680
Speaker 2: is like you're really has it helped you at all?

81
00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:36,919
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it's a way of life for you,

82
00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:38,240
Speaker 2: and it's helped you get here?

83
00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,440
Speaker 1: Right? The mental game is everything for me, okay, And

84
00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,880
Speaker 1: that has taken me here. It's taken me farther than

85
00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:48,919
Speaker 1: guys I was with in high school. It took me

86
00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,080
Speaker 1: farther than guys in college. It's taken me farther than

87
00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,400
Speaker 1: guys I came in with. And that's where it is.

88
00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,200
Speaker 1: And I've learned along the way that learning is my

89
00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,280
Speaker 1: if I was to have a superpower, if you will,

90
00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:07,880
Speaker 1: it's my ability to learn, capacity to digest information and

91
00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,640
Speaker 1: learn from it. So I think that's where I have

92
00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,360
Speaker 1: improved the most in my game, is just being able

93
00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,400
Speaker 1: to learn and get better and better and better and

94
00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,920
Speaker 1: better and just maximize my opportunities. But as a captain

95
00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,360
Speaker 1: of this team, I've really felt the calling of how

96
00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,520
Speaker 1: do I fire guys up and how do I get

97
00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,920
Speaker 1: guys in the right frame of mind? And it goes

98
00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,320
Speaker 1: along with that stuff, with stuff about the mental edge,

99
00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:37,559
Speaker 1: with principles such as the sewer cycle, and you've seen

100
00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,640
Speaker 1: I've monitored it all year and there's been times when

101
00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,840
Speaker 1: we've been in the sewer circle. There's been times when

102
00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,080
Speaker 1: we've been in the opposite is the success cycle where

103
00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:50,040
Speaker 1: you're seeing, like I just said, this opportunity, not this

104
00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,760
Speaker 1: you know, oh, let's look back on the negative where

105
00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,839
Speaker 1: we could have won the division. No, the success cycle

106
00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,880
Speaker 1: would say we here, we have this opportunity, what a

107
00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:04,640
Speaker 1: great opportunity, This is awesome, high pressure, let's go ball out.

108
00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,240
Speaker 1: What are you know? So that's I've done that all

109
00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,480
Speaker 1: year with the guys, and it's been different principles here

110
00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,680
Speaker 1: and there, but in this point in time, it's that

111
00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:17,360
Speaker 1: of this is a great opportunity. The same goals. Let's

112
00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,880
Speaker 1: go ball out. Who doesn't want to be in this

113
00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,520
Speaker 1: spot in a high pressure situation. Let's thrive on it.

114
00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,080
Speaker 1: So that's kind of been the.

115
00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:32,359
Speaker 2: Message from undrafted guy as a rookie to team captain.

116
00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:34,120
Speaker 2: What does that mean to you?

117
00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,440
Speaker 1: That that really does mean a lot. That's cool, that

118
00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,400
Speaker 1: got when the guys see it. Yeah, and it's not fake.

119
00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,440
Speaker 1: It's not like you're just some raw ra guy that

120
00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,880
Speaker 1: talks and no, it's it's actions. And that's the coolest

121
00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,719
Speaker 1: part for me, you know, being able to sit in

122
00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,640
Speaker 1: those captains meetings on Wednesdays. You know, it's and it's

123
00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,000
Speaker 1: been a challenge too for me because before you didn't

124
00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,480
Speaker 1: have to. You know, you just plut you just go play.

125
00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:04,039
Speaker 1: You know, the success and failure of the team. You know,

126
00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,520
Speaker 1: there's not so much you know kind of correlated back

127
00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,040
Speaker 1: to you as a leader of the team. But so

128
00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,120
Speaker 1: that's been you know, if I was to look back

129
00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:13,760
Speaker 1: on the seat, not that it's over, but if I

130
00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,120
Speaker 1: was to look back, this has been a great year

131
00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,400
Speaker 1: for me in terms of growth and stuff. And you know,

132
00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,520
Speaker 1: how to talk, how to talk to the guys, how

133
00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:25,920
Speaker 1: you come off, you know, the things you say even

134
00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,640
Speaker 1: talking to coach Peterson. You know, we've had great conversations

135
00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,200
Speaker 1: in those captains meetings. So it's been super cool. Definitely

136
00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,440
Speaker 1: the highlight of my career so far, just being you know,

137
00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,480
Speaker 1: named the captain, wearing the sea on the jersey. It's

138
00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,480
Speaker 1: it's really freaking cool. I can't lie. Has that pushed you?

139
00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,280
Speaker 2: I personally think you're missing your calling if you don't

140
00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:49,000
Speaker 2: coach at some point? Has that made you think about

141
00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:49,520
Speaker 2: that more?

142
00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,600
Speaker 1: I think about it all the time, Okay, And it's funny.

143
00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,040
Speaker 1: I don't even think about like coaching in the NFL.

144
00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,080
Speaker 1: I think about like coaching high school kids. To me,

145
00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,400
Speaker 1: that would be that would be the coolest and most

146
00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,560
Speaker 1: fun thing, you know. I think that definitely not college

147
00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,720
Speaker 1: those hours, I wouldn't be able to play golf. I

148
00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:08,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to you know, I wouldn't be able

149
00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,640
Speaker 1: to go play poker at the casino. But now it's

150
00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:13,720
Speaker 1: it's just kind of what I do.

151
00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:18,200
Speaker 2: What's the biggest thing you've learned about leadership? I guess

152
00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,400
Speaker 2: that's where I'm looking for leadership, but that this year

153
00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,120
Speaker 2: anything in particular, it's more that.

154
00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:28,360
Speaker 1: Like leadership isn't about leadership is really the only thing

155
00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,200
Speaker 1: leadership is about is influence, Like just because you know,

156
00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,400
Speaker 1: all the things you do don't matter unless you can

157
00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,360
Speaker 1: influence people and move them in a direction and cast

158
00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,440
Speaker 1: a vision to them, you know what I mean. So

159
00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,960
Speaker 1: that's really what I've learned about this year is when

160
00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,760
Speaker 1: you go up and you talk, are you painting a

161
00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,800
Speaker 1: clear picture? When you go up and you talk, are

162
00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,880
Speaker 1: you bruin something within the guys? So that's been the

163
00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,160
Speaker 1: most kind of fun thing for me is over the

164
00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:00,200
Speaker 1: course of this year. You know, I remember after the

165
00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,640
Speaker 1: Houston game, we were one and two and there was

166
00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,360
Speaker 1: just you know, we were in the sewer cycle. Yeah,

167
00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,600
Speaker 1: we were in the sewer cycle. A lot of negative

168
00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,000
Speaker 1: not just the energy was dead. So I called up

169
00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,560
Speaker 1: a team after the team meeting the night before we

170
00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,920
Speaker 1: played Atlanta, I could just called all the guys up

171
00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,360
Speaker 1: and I said, hey, open for him, like wide open,

172
00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,640
Speaker 1: let's chat, let's you know, let's start bouncing ideas off

173
00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,040
Speaker 1: each other, let's get on the same page. And you know,

174
00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,200
Speaker 1: I think we won like five or six games straight

175
00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,120
Speaker 1: after that. So that was the cool thing to me

176
00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:37,800
Speaker 1: is I just offered a platform. I got the guys talking,

177
00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,360
Speaker 1: we all got on the same page. We all felt better,

178
00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,839
Speaker 1: we all felt some energy. And it's stuff like that,

179
00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,840
Speaker 1: the things you do as a leader in those scenarios,

180
00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:53,480
Speaker 1: there's your influence, and if that influence works, you're doing

181
00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:54,560
Speaker 1: something right as a leader.

182
00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:58,040
Speaker 2: Could you've ever imagined this version of Andrew winning Guard

183
00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,000
Speaker 2: Year five when you were starting out?

184
00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,120
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it was all okay. Maybe, I mean, I never

185
00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,720
Speaker 1: thought I'd be a captain, but I knew I was

186
00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,559
Speaker 1: gonna be here for sure. I knew when I knew,

187
00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,920
Speaker 1: I knew. I've I've always known how good I can be.

188
00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:18,720
Speaker 1: I've always just I've known that there's no way another

189
00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,600
Speaker 1: There's no way another man can do that and I can't.

190
00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,080
Speaker 1: There's no reason I can't be the best in the world.

191
00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,800
Speaker 1: And I you know, I still believe that obviously. You know,

192
00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,560
Speaker 1: I re signed here and I'm still not a starter,

193
00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:33,680
Speaker 1: but I still see myself as a starter. I still

194
00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,560
Speaker 1: prepare like a starter. My film won't lie. You know.

195
00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,240
Speaker 1: It's like I've been balling and I've just continued to

196
00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,800
Speaker 1: keep getting, you know, better and better. And it's just

197
00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,680
Speaker 1: the cool part is that belief in yourself is really

198
00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:48,840
Speaker 1: the only thing that matters. What you know you're gonna fail,

199
00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,480
Speaker 1: You're gonna mess up. But the guys that keep going,

200
00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,080
Speaker 1: the guys that keep getting better, you know, will always

201
00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,000
Speaker 1: come out in the end. And that's kind of how

202
00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:57,800
Speaker 1: it's been for me. And you know, you gotta, I

203
00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:02,160
Speaker 1: gotta thank God, you know. With out him, I'm absolutely nothing.

204
00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,200
Speaker 1: And that's really been my driving force. But he kind

205
00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,040
Speaker 1: of casts that vision for me when I was young.

206
00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,240
Speaker 1: You know, it's crazy because when I was young, I

207
00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,880
Speaker 1: would pray every night. I would you know, I was

208
00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:14,719
Speaker 1: like a freshman in high school. I would pray that

209
00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,760
Speaker 1: I would make varsity as a sophomore, and then I

210
00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,280
Speaker 1: would go on to get a D one scholarship, and

211
00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,240
Speaker 1: then I'd go on to the to play in the NFL.

212
00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,600
Speaker 1: And I just prayed for it. And it's you know,

213
00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,360
Speaker 1: here it is now, and you know, I now just

214
00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,040
Speaker 1: feel like I'm the I now feel like I owe

215
00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,080
Speaker 1: this responsibility back to that little kid, right you know,

216
00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,080
Speaker 1: I that when you you know, when you lay your

217
00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,720
Speaker 1: head on that pillow at night, that self esteem. I

218
00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:40,960
Speaker 1: really kind of see myself still as a little kid,

219
00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,000
Speaker 1: and you know, I it's really self compassion. You know,

220
00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,360
Speaker 1: Guys beat themselves up. Guys and I've just tried not

221
00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,120
Speaker 1: to do that. I've tried to always been positive, and

222
00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,920
Speaker 1: I've always tried to you know, kind of see myself

223
00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,200
Speaker 1: as too different, see myself as a man, and see

224
00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,040
Speaker 1: myself as the as that little kid that that belief,

225
00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,960
Speaker 1: that joy, and to kind of still you know, kindle

226
00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,840
Speaker 1: that spirit of a kid and in a way give

227
00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,400
Speaker 1: back to myself. So I now you know the discipline

228
00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:09,760
Speaker 1: Now it's hard, you know, now, it's now it's when

229
00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:11,840
Speaker 1: you really got to be a man. That that discipline,

230
00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,480
Speaker 1: that training, that effort, that attention to detail so that

231
00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,920
Speaker 1: when you do go out on Sunday and play, you

232
00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,360
Speaker 1: can really let that kid be free.

233
00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,640
Speaker 2: Were you better now than when you're a rookie?

234
00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:24,320
Speaker 1: Why?

235
00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,600
Speaker 2: And why is it? Is it just experience or how

236
00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:29,280
Speaker 2: does that grow?

237
00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:34,559
Speaker 1: I would just say, man, you know it's a tough question. Obviously,

238
00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:36,880
Speaker 1: you get, like you said, experience, You get so many

239
00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:40,240
Speaker 1: reps against great players in practice that you just naturally

240
00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,960
Speaker 1: have to adapt. But now I think I just take

241
00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,320
Speaker 1: extreme ownership of my job. Before you know, you get

242
00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,320
Speaker 1: in you're kind of just unconscious. You're kind of just

243
00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,000
Speaker 1: learning the way. You know, You're not really you're just

244
00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:56,720
Speaker 1: playing right right. And now it's like I remember in

245
00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:01,080
Speaker 1: twenty one under urban Meyer said something he's he brought

246
00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,319
Speaker 1: up the pain of discipline versus the pain of regret,

247
00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:08,000
Speaker 1: and I was like that that hit me like so hard.

248
00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,360
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't want to regret a single

249
00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,640
Speaker 1: thing while I have this opportunity. So that really led

250
00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,400
Speaker 1: me down this path of discipline of like kind of

251
00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,719
Speaker 1: just relearning everything I did, like because I was unconscious

252
00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,720
Speaker 1: of it. I didn't you know, getting a journal and

253
00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,040
Speaker 1: like write down how I was playing ball, how I

254
00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,600
Speaker 1: was seeing, how I was studying, how I was, you know,

255
00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,199
Speaker 1: doing all that stuff. So I really just took extreme

256
00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:34,520
Speaker 1: ownership over myself and you know, started journaling, started doing

257
00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,800
Speaker 1: stuff like that, started learning, started to like have goals,

258
00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,120
Speaker 1: have purpose, you know, game in, game out. And I

259
00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,800
Speaker 1: think that's just where I've really elevated myself is looking

260
00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,760
Speaker 1: at myself through a clear lens without you know, judt,

261
00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,640
Speaker 1: you know, without the negative voice in your head, but

262
00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:55,400
Speaker 1: just looking at yourself, identifying strengths and weaknesses, getting better

263
00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,880
Speaker 1: at your weaknesses while you know, elevating still your strengths

264
00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,520
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So just those you know, and

265
00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,560
Speaker 1: it's it's small details, but that is the stuff that

266
00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,360
Speaker 1: leads to big games, you know what I mean. So,

267
00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,080
Speaker 1: but from a football aspect, I just think I I

268
00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,080
Speaker 1: can play all you know, I can play both spots

269
00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,400
Speaker 1: at free free safety, strong safety. I've really gotten better

270
00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,560
Speaker 1: planning man coverage. You know, we do one on ones

271
00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,120
Speaker 1: all the time. I felt like I've taken fifty thousand

272
00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:26,160
Speaker 1: one on one reps and just being able to operate, communicate,

273
00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,800
Speaker 1: and that's really what it is. So I went off

274
00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,400
Speaker 1: kind of on a tangent there, but great. That's how

275
00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,200
Speaker 1: you improve in this league. And that's been another thing

276
00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,400
Speaker 1: for me as a captain, is teaching these young guys

277
00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,880
Speaker 1: getting right. I remember when I came in the league,

278
00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:44,520
Speaker 1: Jared Wilson. Jared Wilson was a guy who I remember they,

279
00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,440
Speaker 1: you know, all the guys said find a vet who

280
00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,200
Speaker 1: has had success, find a vet who has kind of

281
00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,280
Speaker 1: been on the similar path as you, and copy them.

282
00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:56,640
Speaker 2: And I can drafted guy Goby Jared Wilson to it,

283
00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:00,840
Speaker 2: and best teammate, best guy I've ever met my entire life.

284
00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,160
Speaker 1: I just copied him. And now that I'm kind of

285
00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,600
Speaker 1: in that same spot as he was, now it's about

286
00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,600
Speaker 1: being that vet that young guys look to, that young

287
00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,840
Speaker 1: guys look to for advice. And it's just been maybe

288
00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,760
Speaker 1: if one thing I say to to the to young

289
00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,880
Speaker 1: Tank Bigsby, if I if I chew Tank out about

290
00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,400
Speaker 1: jumping off sides on a fourth and four, it's gonna

291
00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:25,960
Speaker 1: you know, no one wants to be the guy that

292
00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,880
Speaker 1: wants to get up in a guy's grill and right,

293
00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,520
Speaker 1: But now every time we're in practice, Tank looks at

294
00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,200
Speaker 1: me when we're on punt return he heye ear mufs

295
00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,080
Speaker 1: ear mus fourth and four, right, Just little little things

296
00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,960
Speaker 1: like that, and it's a that's kind of where I've

297
00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,600
Speaker 1: you know, found the calling to as a captain is

298
00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,480
Speaker 1: teaching those young guys, you know, just those little minute

299
00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,240
Speaker 1: details about how to be a pro, how to elevate

300
00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,920
Speaker 1: themselves because this game offers so much outside of here.

301
00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:55,480
Speaker 1: What this game gives us financially among other things, that's

302
00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,000
Speaker 1: not the only thing, obviously, but what it gives you financially,

303
00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,320
Speaker 1: it allows you to just create this life you want

304
00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,640
Speaker 1: outside of football and after football. So why not give

305
00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:05,920
Speaker 1: it your all? Why not own your role so that

306
00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,520
Speaker 1: you can continue to ball out, make money, play as

307
00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,320
Speaker 1: long as possible. You know, yeah, you.

308
00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,720
Speaker 2: Might say high school coach, you'll be coaching special teams

309
00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,280
Speaker 2: in this league. So that's just that's just my opinion.

310
00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:21,720
Speaker 2: We'll talk in fifteen, we're talking five years. The final

311
00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,320
Speaker 2: thing along these lines, A chance to win back to

312
00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:28,880
Speaker 2: back division titles on on Sunday, first time in twenty

313
00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:30,320
Speaker 2: five years has been done. A chance to beat the

314
00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,600
Speaker 2: Titans for the fourth time in a row had been

315
00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:37,000
Speaker 2: done since the nineties. Do you think about anything like

316
00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:40,840
Speaker 2: that in terms of just I guess this team sort

317
00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,680
Speaker 2: of making a mark and being a team that people

318
00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:44,200
Speaker 2: look back on.

319
00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,680
Speaker 1: It's funny you say that, because I've been thinking about

320
00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:51,000
Speaker 1: that lately too. It's like, let's go boys. That's what

321
00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,000
Speaker 1: it's been. Let's go boys. You don't under like I

322
00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:58,640
Speaker 1: hope they all understand, like the back to back division titles,

323
00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,680
Speaker 1: and I believe this, when this team gets into the playoffs,

324
00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,119
Speaker 1: I believe I think that's when we take off. I

325
00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,639
Speaker 1: really do. But you become the first you know, you

326
00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,320
Speaker 1: win a super Bowl in Jacksonville? Are you kidding me?

327
00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,960
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? How freaking sweet? Would that be?

328
00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,560
Speaker 1: First super Bowl in franchise history? Like you're like you're

329
00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,280
Speaker 1: a legend forever, Like, are you kidding me? So? And

330
00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,800
Speaker 1: I've been in seasons where you're packing your bags up

331
00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,240
Speaker 1: right now making sure that on Monday you can get

332
00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,000
Speaker 1: the hell out of here, you know what I mean. Yeah,

333
00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,480
Speaker 1: Now it's like, dude, like now you really don't want

334
00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:33,720
Speaker 1: to have.

335
00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:34,960
Speaker 2: Reason an opportunity here.

336
00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:39,639
Speaker 1: Big opportunity. So it's it's awesome and our fans they

337
00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,520
Speaker 1: deserve it. They've been great. And to have a team

338
00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,840
Speaker 1: to like we said, to have a contender year in

339
00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,200
Speaker 1: year out to cheer for, that's awesome in itself. But now,

340
00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,000
Speaker 1: you know, back to back really shaking up this division

341
00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:52,920
Speaker 1: because Coach talked about it too the other day. It's

342
00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,439
Speaker 1: like Tennessee and Indye have owned this division and you know,

343
00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,200
Speaker 1: Houston had that little run with Deshaun Watson and stuff,

344
00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,560
Speaker 1: but this could, you know, this could really set the standard.

345
00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,360
Speaker 1: And I think this has really been a growth here.

346
00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,679
Speaker 1: You know, for everyone in this organization. We've never been

347
00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:12,040
Speaker 1: in this situation right for the most part, where you

348
00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:13,960
Speaker 1: you know, weekend you got to be a contender, you

349
00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:14,680
Speaker 1: know what I mean.

350
00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,720
Speaker 2: So right, playing first place schedule right.

351
00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,960
Speaker 1: Right, And it's been a great growth here. And so many,

352
00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,000
Speaker 1: so many lessons learned and stuff like that. And now

353
00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,320
Speaker 1: here we sit, you know what I mean. Here we sit,

354
00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,200
Speaker 1: So it's it's about going to do it. But back

355
00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,200
Speaker 1: to your question, you do think about that, and that's

356
00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:35,280
Speaker 1: the when you think about cool things and high aspiration

357
00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,359
Speaker 1: things like that, it really gets you going and really

358
00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:39,880
Speaker 1: gets you excited. Very cool.

359
00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,600
Speaker 2: The last thing we do is the ozone five, So

360
00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:51,119
Speaker 2: it's five quick fun questions. If you have time between reading,

361
00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:52,399
Speaker 2: what was your last binge watch?

362
00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:57,800
Speaker 1: Oh goodness, I'm not a huge Netflix guy, but I

363
00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:01,160
Speaker 1: think I rewatched Breaking Bad about six months ago.

364
00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,679
Speaker 2: I could see that big times you would be across

365
00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:04,159
Speaker 2: all or not.

366
00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:05,800
Speaker 1: I didn't get into that.

367
00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,280
Speaker 2: It's it's I would advise. I did the same thing.

368
00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,040
Speaker 2: Breaking Bad was great. Tried Saul the first time, couldn't

369
00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,159
Speaker 2: get into it, and once I got into it, I

370
00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's better, but it's the same thing.

371
00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,280
Speaker 2: But you have to sort of get through the first couple.

372
00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,040
Speaker 2: So anyway, gotcha where his advice? A song you heard

373
00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:26,600
Speaker 2: on the car on the way in this morning.

374
00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,000
Speaker 1: It's funny because today's the one day I didn't listen

375
00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:35,639
Speaker 1: to music. Last night, I was listening to Hall and Oates. Okay,

376
00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:37,960
Speaker 1: out of touch, Okay, okay, well that's right out of

377
00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:41,920
Speaker 1: my out of touch Okay, come out of time.

378
00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:43,960
Speaker 2: I would join in with because I know the song

379
00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,359
Speaker 2: that nobody wants to hear. That. So, best player you've

380
00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,640
Speaker 2: ever played against probably.

381
00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,320
Speaker 1: Probably Deshaun Watson when he was in Houston. We played them,

382
00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,680
Speaker 1: and we played them in London my rookie year, and

383
00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,159
Speaker 1: that guy was on another level, making every throw, no

384
00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,360
Speaker 1: one could sack him, running around and everything.

385
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,520
Speaker 2: It was one of his better game, best or most

386
00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,639
Speaker 2: memorable play that you've been involved.

387
00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:21,119
Speaker 1: With, prop probably my It was. My first interception of

388
00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,440
Speaker 1: my career was against Indy. Yeah, in twenty twenty, first

389
00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,840
Speaker 1: game of the year, picked off Phil Rivers, only to

390
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,880
Speaker 1: lose fifteen or so games straight afterwards, but got the.

391
00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:36,439
Speaker 2: Dub, saved, saved it from sixteen, which is saying something.

392
00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:40,040
Speaker 1: So that was pretty cool. That's right. First interception, Yeah,

393
00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,520
Speaker 1: first interception of my NFL career on a future Hall

394
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:44,920
Speaker 1: of Famer, got pretty cool.

395
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,679
Speaker 2: Five year old Dewey's favorite movie Lord.

396
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 1: Of the Rings.

397
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,960
Speaker 2: Really that eulogy okay, yep, that young you're in it? Okay,

398
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,399
Speaker 2: oh absolutely those gott Are staying cartoons, but you weren't

399
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 2: that guy.

400
00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,440
Speaker 1: Still best best movies of all time. Still watch them.

401
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,160
Speaker 1: And you know I'm a nerd at heart. I really am.

402
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 1: I'm a like dungeons and dragons, swords and shields and

403
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:07,160
Speaker 1: stuff like that.

404
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not a Lord of the Rings guy, but

405
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,119
Speaker 2: you get along with my wife. She's hardcore into it

406
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,160
Speaker 2: and loves it. I could talk to you all day.

407
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 2: I appreciate you joining the ozone podcast. Good Luck Sunday

408
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:19,359
Speaker 1: Dude, Thanks sir, appreciate it.