1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Tracy V. 3 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: Wilson and I'm Holly Frye. Before we start, We're gonna 4 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: go to Barcelona very soon. Yeah, just a few weeks off. Yes, 5 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 1: we are going to Barcelona November two through ninth. And 6 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: I know this is last minute, but I also know 7 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,919 Speaker 1: there are folks who fly by the seat of their 8 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: plants and make some travel arrangements late in the game. 9 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: We do have still a few spaces available on that trip, 10 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: so if you've been thinking, man, I just need to 11 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: get away and have a little time saved up in 12 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: all of that, like, check it out. If you go 13 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: to Defined Destinations dot com. Right on the homepage, just 14 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: this trip says Barcelona six Night Adventure. You can also 15 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 1: go to Defined Destinations dot Com slash Barcelona Dashed twenty 16 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: twenty three. We are both very excited. We're getting to 17 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: that point in the imminent travel of being excited and busy, 18 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: if that makes sense. Yes, I we're in the fall, 19 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: which is always my heavy travel time as I run 20 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: around and do various halloweeny events. So I have not 21 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: let myself get completely Barcelona excited. Yet sure, because I 22 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: have other trips, but every time I go somewhere, I 23 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: end up telling someone that we're about to go, and 24 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: all I hear is how much we are going to 25 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: love it. And I have not been in a very 26 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: long time. So if you would like to love it 27 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: with us, you still can right our tour planner Michael, 28 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: who has made all these arrangements for us, has said 29 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: that Spain is beautiful in nova, so very much looking 30 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: forward to it. We have lots of walking tours, We're 31 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:10,399 Speaker 1: going to do food tours, a Flamenco show, breakfast ised 32 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: is included every morning. And this is the third time 33 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: that we've gone on a trip with Michael, and these 34 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: are kind of a nice mix of scheduled, planned things 35 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: to do and also downtime or explore on your own, 36 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: and so we've had a great time all three times. Yeah, 37 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: I know that I will have a great time because 38 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: he is very good at giving you a balance of 39 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: planned things and time to just hang out and do 40 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: whatever excites you the most. But rest assured, so Gratta 41 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 1: Familia is on the list. So yes, one more time. 42 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: That is that defined destinations dot Com if folks have 43 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 1: been thinking, hey, I need to do something with this 44 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: time off before the end of the year, and now 45 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:03,679 Speaker 1: we can change the subject completely to today's episode. Over 46 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: the years, we've gotten just a ton of listener requests 47 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: for various ghost stories, and we have done some whole 48 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: episodes on the ghost story theme, like the Greenbrier Ghost 49 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: and the Bellwitch, and we've also talked about some places 50 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: that are said to be haunted, like the island of Pavlia. 51 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: A lot of the suggestions that we've gotten on the scene, though, 52 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 1: don't really work out as a full episode, so October 53 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: seemed like a very good time to do an installment 54 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: of six impossible episodes when we talk about things that 55 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: maybe are a little too thin to build a whole 56 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: episode around. This time all about ghosts and hauntings, and 57 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: a lot of these are very well known in the 58 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: places where they originated, but maybe not outside of those 59 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: places unless you are just really into ghost lore. Uh. 60 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: As a side note, when I was going through our 61 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: many suggestions to pull this episode together, I noticed that 62 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: we have a lot that are specifically about haunted hotels 63 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: and ghost towns. So there aren't any hotels or ghost 64 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: towns in this episode, but those may come around for 65 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: their own episode in the future, and just a heads up. 66 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: As being a ghost episode, there is of course a 67 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: lot of murder and violence happening and a number of 68 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: these stories do also involve suicide in some way. So 69 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: with that we will get started, and our first ghost 70 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: is from New South Wales, Australia. This was suggested by 71 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: Cay Scott. In October of eighteen twenty six, a farmer 72 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 1: named John Farley was walking home late one night and 73 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: he saw a man sitting on the railing of a bridge. 74 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: As he got closer, he realized that that man was 75 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: someone he recognized, a man named Fred Fisher, who had 76 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: been missing for about four months. Farley said Fisher was 77 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: surrounded in a strange light with a bloody wound on 78 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: his head, and that he pointed in the direction of 79 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: a nearby creek before fading away. When Farley had this encounter, 80 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: most people thought that Fisher was dead. He had been 81 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: born in London in seventeen ninety two and then at 82 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: the age of twenty four, he was facing a fourteen 83 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: year transportation to Australia after obtaining some forged banknotes in 84 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: eighteen twenty two, after serving almost half of that sentence, 85 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: Fisher applied for a ticket of leave, which was a 86 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: document that could be granted to people who had been 87 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: serving their sentence in Australia with good behavior. A ticket 88 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: of leave granted some rights that convicted people didn't have otherwise, 89 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,799 Speaker 1: like the right to buy property, the right for people 90 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: to work for themselves, as long as the person that 91 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: had that ticket kept following all the other rules and requirements. 92 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: And once he had his ticket of leave, Fisher moved 93 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: to Campbelltown became a prosperous farmer. Campbelltown is within the 94 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: Sydney Metropolitan Area today, but at this time it was 95 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 1: really just getting started as a town. In eighteen twenty five, 96 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: Fisher hired a carpenter named William Brooker to build an 97 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: inn for him, and these two men got into a 98 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: dispute over money. Brooker took the matter to the magistrate, 99 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: who found in his favor, but it seems like he 100 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: thought Fisher still owed him money. One night, Brooker barged 101 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: into the inn, apparently intoxicated, and demanded to be paid. 102 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: This escalated into a physical fight in which Fisher stabbed Brooker. 103 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: Fisher was charged with assault, and he was worried about 104 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 1: what would happen to his property in farms if he 105 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: was convicted, especially if he wound up with a lengthy 106 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 1: prison sentence, So he gave neighbor and fellow ticket of 107 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: leave man George Warrel, power of attorney so that Warrel 108 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: could manage things for him. Warrel and Fisher were friends. 109 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: Among other things, Fisher and his employees lived with Warrel 110 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: because Fisher had not built a house on any of 111 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: his arms. Ultimately, a court found that Fisher had been provoked, 112 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: so he was given a lighter sentence than he was 113 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: afraid that he would be facing, but he still was 114 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: sentenced to six months in prison and had to pay 115 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: a fine of fifty pounds. He was released from prison, 116 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: but then in June of eighteen twenty six, he disappeared. 117 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: Warrel told people that Fisher had left for England, maybe 118 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: to try to escape another forgery charge. Soon, Warrel was 119 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:36,679 Speaker 1: also selling off Fisher's possessions. This seemed suspicious. In addition 120 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,559 Speaker 1: to his sudden disappearance, Fisher only had three years left 121 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: on his original fourteen year sentence. It just didn't make 122 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: sense that he would suddenly leave Australia and risk everything 123 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: he had built. People also didn't think Fisher was the 124 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: kind of man who would walk away from a bunch 125 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: of valuable property in possessions just for someone else to 126 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: profit off of it. On top of all of that, 127 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: war had bragged to people about being given control of 128 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: Fisher's interests before Fisher went to prison, and he made 129 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: it sound more like a gift than a temporary arrangement. 130 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: The ship Warrel claimed Fisher had left on also hadn't 131 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: actually docked in Sydney, so Warrel was arrested on suspicion 132 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: of murder on September seventeenth, eighteen twenty six, and he 133 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: claimed that four other men were actually the ones who 134 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: had killed Fisher. All four of those men were arrested 135 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: as well, but there was no body There was no 136 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: real proof that Fisher had come to some kind of harm, 137 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: so none of the men immediately faced trial. Soon a 138 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: reward was being offered to anybody who could prove that 139 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: Fisher had left the colony or could produce his body. 140 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: As we said, it was in October of eighteen twenty 141 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,359 Speaker 1: six that John Farley said he saw this ghostly apparition 142 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: of Fred Fisher sitting on the railing of a bridge. 143 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: Farley ran to a nearby hotel called The Harrow and 144 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: told people what he had seen, Eventually that included the 145 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 1: police superintendent and the local magistrate. Farley seemed really sincere 146 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: and genuinely shaken about this whole experience, but it's not 147 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: clear whether people entirely believed his account of this ghost encounter. 148 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: Investigators did start taking a deeper look into Fisher's disappearance, though, 149 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: prompted in part by a discovery that two boys made 150 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: on October twenty fifth. They were cutting across one of 151 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: Fisher's farms and noticed bloodstains on a fence. Soon, a 152 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: lock of hair and a tooth were found nearby. Police 153 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: brought in an Aboriginal tracker known as Namud Gilbert, who 154 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: led them to a shallow grave containing Fred Fisher's body. 155 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 1: It was by the creek that Farley had described the 156 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: apparition pointing to earlier in October, and that is now 157 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: known as Fisher's Ghost Creek. The body was too decomposed 158 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: for the features to be recognizable, but the clothing was Fisher's. 159 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: George Worrel was arrested and tried for murder. He was 160 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: convicted on February second, eighteen twenty seven, and then executed 161 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 1: three days later. He admitted to killing Fisher, but claimed 162 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: that it had been an accident. He said that he 163 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: had mistaken Fisher for a horse that had gotten into 164 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: the wheat crop. People did not really buy this explanation, 165 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: if anything, that raises more questions. This is one of 166 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: Australia's better known ghost stories and it went on to 167 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: inspire a number of stories, plays, in poems. There are 168 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: also lots of variations on the basic narrative, many of 169 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: them with slightly different names and places. Today, Campbelltown, New 170 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 1: South Wales, holds a festival of Fisher's Ghost every November. 171 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: This has been an annual event since nineteen fifty six. 172 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: Our next ghost story is maybe more of an urban 173 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: legend than a specific ghost story that was suggested by 174 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: Rachel and it's from Japan. So according to the lore, 175 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: if you go into a girl's bathroom on the third 176 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: floor of a school and you knock three times on 177 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: the door of the third stall and ask if Hanako 178 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: san is there, a ghostly girl may answer you. This 179 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: ghost is also known as tware Nohaniko or Hanako of 180 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: the toilet. Exactly what happens next in an encounter with 181 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,719 Speaker 1: Haniko varies a little from place to place and retelling 182 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: to retelling. You might see a ghost or the ghost's 183 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: bloody hand, or you might be yanked into the stall, 184 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: where the toilet may be a portal into hell. In 185 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: some areas, you might be eaten by a three headed lizard. 186 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 1: There is also some variety in exactly which stall hanakohans. 187 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: Some sources say it is the first stall, some the 188 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: last one, not the third one, and some say this 189 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: happens only at certain times of day, including between one 190 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: and three am, which would of course make this an 191 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: even creepier experience. Yeah, I kind of creeped myself out 192 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: a little bit imagining being in like a totally deserted 193 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 1: middle of the night, you know, say, elementary or middle school, 194 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:21,839 Speaker 1: knocking on the bathroom stall door. There are multiple versions 195 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 1: to explain where this ghost came from. The story seems 196 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: to have appeared first in Japan after World War two, 197 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: and in some stories, Haneko was playing or hiding in 198 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: the school and was killed in an air raid. In others, 199 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: she was murdered in the bathroom, or she took her 200 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: own life because she was being relentlessly bullied. In addition 201 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: to being a very well known and widely repeated story 202 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 1: in Japan, Hanako San has been the subject of a 203 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: number of films, anime and manga. One of them, titled 204 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: Toilet Bound Hanako Kun in English, is both a manga 205 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: series and an anime adaptation, and it presents Henacho as Mail. Yeah. 206 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't know enough about this 207 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: series to know if there's background on why that is, 208 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: but this reminds me a bit of here in the US, 209 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: the saying bloody Mary looking in the mirror. In terms 210 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: of like creepy ghost experiences, I like that it could 211 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: be in any school. We will take a quick sponsor 212 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: break and come back with some more ghosts. Our next 213 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: ghost story is the only one in today's episode that 214 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: is not from the audience mail bag. This one is 215 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: from my own upbringing in North Carolina. It is the 216 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: make a Light. This was an eerie light or maybe 217 00:13:55,320 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: lights in Brunswick County, North Carolina, west of Wilmington. As 218 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: the story goes, there was a brakeman named Joe Baldwin 219 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: who was working for the Wilmington and Manchester Railroad in 220 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: eighteen sixty seven when he was beheaded in an accident. 221 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: Since then, he's been on the tracks with a light 222 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: looking for his head. There's also another slightly different version 223 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: of this story, which is that Baldwin was alone in 224 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: the last car of a train when he realized that 225 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: car had come uncoupled, so he was wildly swinging a 226 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: light to try to warn another oncoming train that they 227 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: were about to collide. When they did, he was killed. 228 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: So he's like now in death, frantically swinging the light 229 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: to try to warn the other train. There is no 230 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: record of a train crash involving a Joe Baldwin in 231 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: eighteen sixty seven, but there was a real train crash 232 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: in the area on January fourth, eighteen fifty six, and 233 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: it has some similarities to this story. The engine of 234 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: a train had experienced mechanical problems near Mako, which at 235 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: the time was now as Farmer's Turnout. The engineer had 236 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: decoupled the last cars of the train, hoping the engine 237 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: could get to Wilmington for repairs if it didn't have 238 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: to pull the weight of those cars. But then when 239 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: the engine returned, it crashed into the cars that it 240 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: had left behind. A male car attendant E. L. Sherwood, 241 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: had minor injuries, but a conductor named Charles Baldwin, not Joe, 242 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: was thrown from the train and suffered a fatal head injury. 243 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: The coroner's jury found that the engineer was not responsible 244 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: for this crash because there was no light at the 245 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: front of the train, and that it had been the 246 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: duty of the conductor, Charles Baldwin, to have hung one there. 247 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: People started reporting seeing strange lights in this area in 248 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: the eighteen seventies. In eighteen ninety nine, President Grover Cleveland 249 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: was aboard a train that reportedly stopped at Farmer's turnout 250 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: for wood and water. Cleveland noticed that a brakeman was 251 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:02,479 Speaker 1: carrying signal lanterns into few different colors, which was apparently 252 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: not typical, and asked what that was about, and was 253 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: told that it was to keep engineers from being confused 254 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: by quote. The ghostly weaving of the Joe Baldwin light 255 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: most people described as a light as amber or red 256 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: or occasionally yellow, hovering or swinging along the tracks. Some 257 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: of the mundane explanations to the lights include static electricity 258 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: discharges from the train tracks, reflections of lights from nearby 259 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: US Highway seventy four seventy six and marsh gas from 260 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: the surrounding swamps. The stretch of tracks associated with the 261 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: Makeo Light wasn't far from the highway, and starting in 262 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties, going to try to see the Maco 263 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: light was a popular nighttime activity for teenagers, or maybe 264 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: a pretense for teenagers to go out at night and 265 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: get into some mischief or pursue something romantic. The railroad 266 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: tracks were removed in nineteen seventy seven, at which some 267 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: point say the lights went away entirely. Uh, this was 268 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: definitely still something people were talking about a lot for 269 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: my whole childhood and adolescence. Though, So if the lights 270 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: went away in nineteen seventy seven when I was to 271 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: the lore around it sure did not. I wonder if 272 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 1: the was there more lighting along the tracks, and so 273 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: whatever was causing those lights may have been obscured. Oh yeah, 274 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe maybe our next ghost story was 275 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 1: suggested by Roman, and that is Resurrection Mary, a ghost 276 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: from Chicago. There are some variations here as well, but 277 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: most accounts describe Mary as a young woman who died 278 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: sometime in the nineteen twenties or thirties, when she was 279 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: either killed in a car crash or struck by a 280 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: hit and run driver. She is usually described as a 281 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: fashionable young woman, maybe in her late teens or twenties, 282 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: who had just been out for a night of dancing, 283 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: so she's dressed up in her dancing clothes. Sometimes this 284 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: is a ball gown, sometimes more of a flapper dress, 285 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: but either way the dress is usually white. Sometimes people 286 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: just say old fashioned. Resurrection Mary reportedly haunts a stretch 287 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: of Archer Avenue, which is outside the city limits southwest 288 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: of Chicago. Specifically, this stretch of road runs from Resurrection 289 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: Catholic cemetery and mausoleums through the village of Willow Springs 290 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: to the side of the o Henry Ballroom. That ballroom 291 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 1: later became the Willowbrook Ballroom, but it burned down in 292 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. So this is a stretch of road that's 293 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: allegedly running from where Mary danced her last dance to 294 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: where she was buried after she was killed. Most stories 295 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: about Resurrection Mary follow the pattern of the vanishing hitchhiker 296 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: urban legend. So she flags down a passing car and 297 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 1: gets inside, but when the car passes Resurrection Cemetery, she disappears. 298 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: A lot of the people who have said they've had 299 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: the six pere are cab drivers, and there are also 300 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 1: tales about her being seen dancing in dance halls and 301 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: clubs on the South Side of Chicago. According to an 302 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: episode of Unsolved Mysteries that came out in nineteen ninety four, 303 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: the first person to see Resurrection Mary was Jerry Paullis. 304 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: In nineteen thirty nine, Paulus spent an evening dancing with 305 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: a lovely young woman named Mary, not at the o 306 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:28,479 Speaker 1: Henry Ballroom, but at Liberty Grove Hall and Ballroom. Then 307 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: at the end of the night, he offered to drive 308 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: this young woman home, and she accepted his offer, but 309 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: then changed her mind and asked him to drive her 310 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: to Resurrection Cemetery on Archer Avenue instead. This is kind 311 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 1: of a strange request. The cemetery wasn't really close to 312 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 1: where she had said that she lived, and then when 313 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: they got to the cemetery, Mary disappeared. The next day, 314 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: Paulus went to her address that she'd given him. The 315 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,239 Speaker 1: woman who answered the door said that Mary was her 316 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 1: daughter who had been dead for five years. According to 317 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: that same episode of Unsolved Mysteries, Mary was Mary Brigovie, 318 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: who was killed in a car crash in nineteen thirty four, 319 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: shortly before her twenty first birthday, but the Chicago Tribune's 320 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: reporting on this crash gives her name as Marie, not Mary, 321 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: and her age is twenty one. According to the Tribune reports, 322 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: the crash happened at the intersection of Lake Street and 323 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: Whacker Drive when the driver, John Thole, ran into a 324 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: support for the L train. This intersection is inside the 325 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: Chicago Loop, not outside of the south side of town. 326 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: It's about sixteen miles away from the stretch of Archer 327 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: Avenue that is associated with Resurrection Mary. So Marie's parents, 328 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 1: Stephan and Joanna Brigovie are buried in Resurrection Cemetery, and 329 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: there are some reports that Marie was buried there as well, 330 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: alongside her parents. Stephan and Joanna died in nineteen fifty 331 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: one in nineteen forty five, respectively, and there her graves 332 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 1: are marked, so if Marie really is buried next to them, 333 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: it's not clear why she does not have a marker. 334 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: Another candidate for the real Resurrection Mary is Anna Norkis, 335 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 1: who took Maria or Mary as a middle name because 336 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: of its religious significance. She died in nineteen twenty seven 337 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: in a crash that killed one other person and injured 338 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: four more. This crash site was not far from Archer Avenue, 339 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: but Anna was only twelve, so not the young woman Resurrection. 340 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: Mary is usually described as reportedly her father had promised 341 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: to take her to the O Henry Ballroom for her 342 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: thirteenth birthday, and they were on the way back when 343 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: the driver had to take a detour and wound up 344 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: on a road that was not well marked. He missed 345 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: the end of the road and plunged into a ditch 346 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 1: and the vehicle overturned. According to funeral records, she was 347 00:21:55,480 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: buried at Saint Casimir's Cemetery in Chicago. There are some 348 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,239 Speaker 1: vague reports that Marie or Anna, or maybe both of 349 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: them were temporarily buried at Resurrection Cemetery due to grave 350 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: digger strikes at the cemetery where they were really supposed 351 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: to be buried, and that for some reason they were 352 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: never exhumed and moved to their original planned burial site. 353 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: I really wasn't able to substantiate any of that. It 354 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: does seem like there were some grave digger strikes going 355 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: on when Marie Bragovi died is not clearly substantiated. And 356 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 1: so there are some things here that make it seem 357 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: like maybe they are things people are sort of trying 358 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: to line up with the resurrection Mary story. Yeah, we 359 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: will talk about two haunted places after a sponsor break. 360 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,360 Speaker 1: We will close out this installment of six Impossible epites 361 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: with a couple of haunted buildings. The first is Rotherwood Mansion, 362 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: suggested by Mary Grace. This is a private residence today, 363 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: so you can get a view of the exterior of 364 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 1: it from the green Belt in Kingsport, Tennessee, but it 365 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: is not generally open to the public. I have the 366 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,479 Speaker 1: impression that the current owner finds the number of people 367 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 1: who try to come get a closer look to be 368 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: a little frustrating, So please don't do that. Yeah, this 369 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: is the downside of having a cool haunted house. This 370 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: mansion was built in phases starting in eighteen eighteen and 371 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: named after the home of Cedric the Saxon in Sir 372 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 1: Walter Scott's Ivanhoe. Its original owner was the Reverend Frederick A. Ross, 373 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: a Presbyterian clergyman from Virginia, whose family was very wealthy. 374 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: Ross inherited the land where Rotherwood was built after the 375 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: death of his father. Ross was apparently a big fan 376 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 1: of Ivanhoe. One of its main characters is a princess 377 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: named Rowena, and that was also the name of Ross's daughter. 378 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 1: The workforce at Rotherwood initially included both enslaved and indentured workers, 379 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: and Ross was also an advocate for the institution of slavery. 380 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: In eighteen fifty seven, he published a book called Slavery 381 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: Ordained of God, which compiled all of his pro slavery 382 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 1: letters and speeches into one work that argued that quote, 383 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: slavery is of God, and to continue for the good 384 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 1: of the slave, the good of the master, the good 385 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: of the whole American family, until another and better destiny 386 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: may be unfolded. So as a side note, so many 387 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: relatively recent articles about Ross and Rotherwood frame him as 388 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: someone who treated his enslaved workforce with benevolence and point 389 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: out that he manumitted some of them during his lifetime. Okay, 390 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: even if that's true, it does not offset his advocacy 391 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: of slavery or his participation in it, and some of 392 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: that is really cherry picked. Like when Ross's father died, 393 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: Ross did free about thirty people, mostly people who he 394 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: described as old and infirm, along with some that he 395 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: freed to avoid separating families. But he also sold about 396 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: five hundred people who had been enslaved at his father's 397 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: Oxford ironworks as a way to deal with his late 398 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: father's debts. It plays into that hole. We would like 399 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: to not think the worst of this person, So we're 400 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: going to talk about how kind he was. Right, Slavery 401 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: is never kind. Roll stop. So. One of the ghosts 402 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 1: most associated with Rotherwood is said to be of Ross's 403 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: daughter Rowena. According to the lore, she was engaged to 404 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: be married and her fiance drowned in the Holston River, 405 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: either on her wedding day or just before it. That 406 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: river runs right by the mansion, and in this story, 407 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: Rowena saw the whole thing happen. Some sources say her 408 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 1: fiance's body was never recovered, others say that it was 409 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: pulled out of the river at the hour that their 410 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: wedding was supposed to take place. Then, in eighteen fifty 411 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: Rowena married Edward S. Temple, but he died of yellow 412 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: fever in October of eighteen fifty two, when their only child, Theodosia, 413 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: was about six months old. Rowena married again, this time 414 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: to Wescombe Hudgens, and one widely repeated story is that 415 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: not long after their marriage, the couple came to Rotherwood 416 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: for a visit, and while they were there, Rowena became 417 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: deeply depressed. Eventually, she put on the dress that she 418 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,959 Speaker 1: was supposed to wear for her first wedding and drowned 419 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: herself in the river. Rowena did die on April fifth, 420 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: eighteen fifty seven, at the age of thirty two, and 421 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 1: according to a brief autobiography written by her father, she 422 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: did take her own life, but this all happened in Huntsville, Alabama, 423 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: not at Rotherwood. By the time Rowena died, her father 424 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: didn't even own Rotherwood anymore. Tried to start a cotton factory, 425 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: which failed and he lost most of his wealth and 426 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: had to sell the mansion. So, in spite of those 427 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: sort of factual discrepancies, Rotherwood is reportedly haunted by a 428 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: lady in white who walks the grounds in the river, 429 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: and sometimes there are also ghostly wet footprints from the 430 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: river up to the back door. When Ross sold the mansion, 431 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 1: it was to Joshua Phipps, who was described as Ross's overseer. 432 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: A lot of sources paint Phipps as Ross's opposite in 433 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 1: terms of how the enslaved workforce was treated, like Ross 434 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: was supposedly kind while Phipps was a monster. This sort 435 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: of sidesteps the fact that if Phipps worked as Ross's overseer, 436 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: then Ross was employing a man who was cruel toward 437 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: the same people that Ross was supposedly kind to. So 438 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: there are also a lot of ghostly stories about Rotherwood 439 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: that surround Joshua Phipps, like his daughter Priscilla reportedly fell 440 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 1: in love with a man that Phipps didn't approve of, 441 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: and Phipps arranged for someone to kill that man in 442 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: battle during the Civil War. So that's awful. And then 443 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: on top of that, he gloated to Priscilla about having 444 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 1: orchestrated his death. She either took her own life or 445 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 1: died of grief, and now some people say you can 446 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: see her ghost at one of the front windows waiting 447 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: for her beloved to come home. According to the lore, 448 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: Phipps became ill in eighteen sixty one and died in 449 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: a swarm of flies that appeared out of nowhere. People 450 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: said this was evidence of a curse that was placed 451 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: on him by the mansions enslaved workforce. A storm blew 452 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: in during his funeral and the horses that were pulling 453 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: the cart carrying his coffin started straining as though it 454 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: was getting heavier and heavier. Lightning struck a nearby tree, 455 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: causing it to fall across the road, so the pallbearers 456 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: had to carry the casket the rest of the way 457 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: to the gravesite, and a giant black dog described as 458 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: a hound of hell, burst out of the coffin as 459 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: it was about to be buried. So there are lots 460 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: of stories about nightmarish incidents at the mansion attributed to 461 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: the ghost of Phipps and this devil dog. After Phipps's death, 462 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: Rotherwood passed through a series of owners and at some 463 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: points it was vacant. It fell into deep disrepair before 464 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: being purchased in the nineteen eighties and then restored over 465 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: a period of years. In a televised interview with WJHL, 466 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: the current owner was described as something of a ghost skeptic, 467 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: but she did say that on her first night in 468 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: the house, she very loudly announced that if there were 469 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: any ghosts they could stay as long as they left 470 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: her alone. I'm trying to imagine what I would do 471 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: in that scenario, and it's slightly different. And lastly, we 472 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: have Larnick Castle, suggested by Becky. This is billed as 473 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: New Zealand's only castle and it was built in eighteen 474 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,959 Speaker 1: seventy one by William Larnick, something that took two hundred 475 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: workers in more than three years to complete. William Larnick 476 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,959 Speaker 1: had been born in New South Wales, Australia in eighteen 477 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: thirty three and was of Scottish descent. He became wealthy 478 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: through his work as a banker, thanks in part to 479 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: being pretty much at the right place at the right 480 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: time for gold rushes in both Australia and New Zealand. 481 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: He went on to become a merchant, a speculator and 482 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: a politician. He held a series of roles in the 483 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: New Zealand government, including being a member of Parliament and 484 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: holding multiple cabinet positions. He built Larnick Castle as his 485 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: dream home for himself and his family, choosing a site 486 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: near Dunedin that had beautiful views of the harbor and 487 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: the ocean, but it was on ground that had to 488 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: be leveled extensively before construction could even begin. In addition 489 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: to the three years it took to build the structure, 490 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: it took another twelve for craftspeople and designers to finish 491 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: the interior, and it was all very extravage However, by 492 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: the end of the nineteenth century, the family had been 493 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: struck with tragedy and scandal. William's first wife, Eliza, died 494 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: in eighteen eighty at the age of thirty eight, when 495 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: their youngest child was still a baby. He married her 496 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: half sister, Mary, who died in eighteen eighty seven, also 497 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: at the age of thirty eight. William's favorite daughter was Kate, 498 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: and he added a massive ballroom to the castle as 499 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: a birthday gift for her when she turned twenty one, 500 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: but she died in eighteen ninety one at the age 501 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: of about twenty eight. The same year that Kate died, 502 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: William married again to a woman named Constance, who was 503 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: more than twenty years younger than he was. There were 504 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: rumors that Constance had an affair with Douglas Larnock, who 505 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: was William's son with his first wife Eliza. William was 506 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: also facing serious financial problems. He had lost money as 507 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: a speculator. Banks he had been in charge of collapsed, 508 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: and businesses he had started had just failed. He suspected 509 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: and sometimes accused of mismanagement and malfeasance. In eighteen ninety eight, 510 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: Larnick was serving as a member of Parliament and he 511 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: took his own life in the Parliament offices on October 512 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: twelfth of that year. By that point he was financially insolvent, 513 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: and he died intestate, leaving his surviving family members to 514 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: just fight over what was left of the property. They 515 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: sold the castle in nineteen oh six, and it became 516 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: increasingly run down as it passed through a series of owners. 517 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: Afterward and the years after the family sold it, it 518 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: was used as an asylum and as housing for soldiers, 519 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: and at some points it was just vacant. Larnick Castle 520 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 1: was purchased by Barry and Margaret Barker in nineteen sixty seven, 521 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: and at that point it was almost in ruins. The 522 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: Barkers and their family undertook a massive restoration project involving 523 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: the structure and the grounds. Today it's a historical site 524 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: and a tourist attraction, and the gardens have been named 525 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: a Garden of inter National Significance by New Zealand Gardens Trust. 526 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: There are also accommodations on the grounds, but not in 527 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: the castle itself. This is why this is not going 528 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: to the list of haunted hotels. That may be an 529 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: episode later. D's Castle is reportedly very haunted. A New 530 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: Zealand TV series called ghost Hunt ran for one season 531 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: and covered Larnak Castle as its very first episode. So 532 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: in this episode, paranormal investigators visited the castle. A tour 533 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: guide told them about being pushed down the stairs by 534 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 1: an unseen force while joking about ghosts. This episode is 535 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: full of strange noises, inexplicably stuck doors, strange handprints on 536 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: the outside of a window, eerie looking photos, and some 537 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: jump scares as the investigators startled themselves in the dark 538 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: in various ways. Visitors have described feeling like they're being 539 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: why doors opening and closing by themselves, strange noises, and 540 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: just a sense of ominous foreboding. In nineteen ninety four, 541 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 1: a play about the Larnick family called Castle of Lies 542 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: was staged in the Grand ballroom, and an enormous storm 543 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,320 Speaker 1: blew in. Just as the play started. The wind blew 544 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 1: down the chimneys, sending soot and ash everywhere, and just 545 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: at the moment in the play that Larnick was about 546 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: to take his own life, lightning sparked through the room. 547 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: One room, where Constance's wedding dress is on display, is 548 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: purportedly haunted by a malevolent spirit. People say this is 549 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 1: either Constance, who's angry that there are so many visitors 550 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 1: coming through the house all the time, or Eliza, who 551 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: is angry about Constance's presence in her home. There's also 552 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 1: the ghost of William himself, with visitors reporting a male 553 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 1: figure roaming around the castle. Some attribute his restlessness to 554 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: the fact that his tomb has fallen into disrepair and 555 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 1: been repeatedly vandalized over the years, including at one point 556 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,839 Speaker 1: in the nineteen seventies when his bones were removed from 557 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,879 Speaker 1: their resting place and his skull was taken. They were 558 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: all eventually replaced. Becky, who sent us this request, described 559 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: staying there on the grounds at the age of thirteen 560 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: and being truly terrified by all the potential ghost sightings. 561 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: So those are our six ghost stories. For this October episode, 562 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: since we talked about how we're going to go to Barcelona. 563 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 1: At the top of this I picked a listener mail 564 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: that's from a couple months ago, but is on that theme. 565 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: It is from Alicia, who says, Hello, Holly and Tracy. 566 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 1: I am writing exclusively to give you a tip that 567 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: is so unique to the curious minded like us. I 568 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,359 Speaker 1: went to Barcelona at the end of twenty twenty one 569 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 1: and made a silly choice that paid dividends that I 570 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: encourage you to try. I, like a huge dork, brought 571 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 1: my mom's high end pocket binoculars to the Sigratto Familia. 572 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: Best choice ever. Seriously, I highly encourage everyone to take 573 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: binoculars for trips to see tall buildings from now on. 574 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: For Goudy's work in particular, you can imagine the benefit. 575 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 1: I'll pop a photo of how excited, excellently dorky I 576 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,240 Speaker 1: was on site too. There are so many far away 577 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: details you get a chance to see that would have 578 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: been missed. It was amazing. I know you'll have so 579 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 1: much fun on the trip this sere thanks for the 580 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:35,919 Speaker 1: excellent podcast. Pet photo Scruffy small dog is reny It. 581 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: It's the nickname that a great antie named Irene used, 582 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 1: and the chunky shepherd is Charlie. So number one. That 583 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:49,879 Speaker 1: is a great tip about the binoculars I often bring. 584 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,240 Speaker 1: It's been a while since I have gone to the theater, 585 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,240 Speaker 1: but I pretty much always bring binoculars a little opera 586 00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: glasses because I am often sitting like farther toward the back, 587 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,799 Speaker 1: and it lets me sees things on the stage so 588 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: much better. I had not really thought about it in 589 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: terms of like sight seeing tours. I even have a 590 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,919 Speaker 1: little tiny pair of pocket binoculars like in the pack 591 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 1: that I take with me, like my daypack when I 592 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,320 Speaker 1: go hiking. I don't know why I never thought of 593 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: it in terms of like I'm going on a trip 594 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 1: somewhere now I will, And boy, these are some very cute, 595 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 1: very cute animals. So thank you so much for the 596 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,399 Speaker 1: tip and the photos. 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