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Speaker 4: That last touchdown was Joe Flacco's third score of the

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Speaker 4: Of course, you know the brother of Chris Twstling, but

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Speaker 3: Who would have thought the Joe Flacco would be the

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Speaker 4: But like Joe Flacco is sneaky athletic at this point

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Speaker 2: I'm just honking right.

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Speaker 2: It was a bizarre game.

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Speaker 4: It was the highest scoring first half of any game

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Speaker 3: If you're involved in that game. Maybe because that second

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Speaker 4: there wasn't much going on. We we mentioned, you mentioned

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Speaker 3: As they should be because the AFC South, there's been

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Speaker 2: They're in now, they're in the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: But in terms of the five, like the five versus

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Speaker 4: No, and I didn't help, not that it was a

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Speaker 4: He's going to be on the list he's got. When

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Speaker 4: That's not really how it works. You can only vote

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Speaker 3: I have, Well, you didn't mention John Harball in there?

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Speaker 4: I think No, I don't think he's a reasonable choice.

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Speaker 4: I don't think he's a reasonable choice.

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Speaker 3: He was on my long list, not my short list.

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Speaker 2: But I have if I had to make a top ten,

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Speaker 3: I have Stefanski three, stike In to Harball one.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Interesting, Okay, give me your reason.

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Speaker 3: Think well, First of all, I think we so often

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Speaker 4: I think he got two in the end, Harbad did

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Speaker 3: This Ravens team has played better than everyone else in

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Speaker 4: I think now if they lose to Miami, but when

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Speaker 3: We'll see. I guess we'll talk about it after Sunday

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Speaker 3: if that's the case. I think Shane Steichen when he's

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Speaker 2: Oh, I forgot that. I forgot to mention Ryan. That

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Speaker 3: He's on my long list too. But like I had

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Speaker 4: I mean, they've won three games the last couple of

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Speaker 3: And most people thought it was the most talent poor

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Speaker 4: How well, if they win their last two games. And

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Speaker 3: Three Stiking two Harball one is what I had.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just crazy what Stefanski has overcome. Chubb Watson,

439
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 4: although they're getting great quarterback play out of Flacco, Conklin,

440
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 4: Jedrick Wills, some more depth pieces on the offensive line,

441
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 4: and then on the defense. They aren't stars, but they

442
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,120
Speaker 4: lost a handful of players for the season, a couple

443
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 4: of safeties, Grant up It who was having a Pro

444
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 4: Bowl type season, Roddy McCleod, it was essentially a starter

445
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 4: in Okroonquo. So they've just overcome a lot, even Dustin Hopkins.

446
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 4: Is he coming back this year? I don't know, but

447
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,680
Speaker 4: he's out like they've just overcome so much. And then

448
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 4: when you watch them every day, you just see how

449
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 4: he can coach offense, how he can create receivers. So

450
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 4: going into last week, Shanahan was my guy. And it's

451
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Speaker 4: partly because I want to reward everything about coaching, not

452
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 4: just like who is taking the over underwins of like

453
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Speaker 4: seven and a half like the Browns and getting to eleven,

454
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Speaker 4: but like the entire process, because we keep giving these

455
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Speaker 4: guys coach of the years that like it doesn't look

456
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 4: great in the long like Dable last year, now that

457
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 4: already doesn't look good. Matt Naggi got one, Jason Garrett

458
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 4: got one, Ron Rivera got two.

459
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Speaker 2: I mean he has more than Andy Reid.

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Speaker 1: You know.

461
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Speaker 3: He did.

462
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, nine seven or something like that.

463
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Speaker 4: Like Stefanski in part gets credit for beating expectations, but

464
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 4: you have to at least acknowledge somewhat he is partly

465
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Speaker 4: responsible for setting those low expectations. And he made a

466
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 4: great hire in Jim Schwartz, but he also like made

467
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Speaker 4: the bad hire that required firing the old guy.

468
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Speaker 2: That yeah, I'm just saying, Hey, at.

469
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Speaker 3: Least you didn't try to stay with your mistake too.

470
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Speaker 4: Mike Smith won one with the Falcons. I mean that's fine.

471
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Speaker 4: Dick gern one with the Bears. Then when four games, okay?

472
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Speaker 4: And so with all that in mind, thinking about like

473
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Speaker 4: what what's impressive to me? Stefanski is my number two.

474
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Speaker 4: Harbaugh is my number three for all the reasons you say.

475
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Speaker 4: But my number one right now I think is Dan Campbell.

476
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Speaker 4: And it's partly for the whole list thing that he

477
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 4: did bringing this Lions team from the Ashes, the whole

478
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 4: three year process to get to this point. How easy

479
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 4: it would have been, after how last season finished, to

480
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Speaker 4: take a step back, but instead they did take that

481
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Speaker 4: step forward to kind of answer these challenges. They're not

482
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 4: like a perfect team, but he's very good game management wise,

483
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 4: he's very good at the at like bringing the team together,

484
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Speaker 4: and so for the total job, I'm going to give

485
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Speaker 4: it to him.

486
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Speaker 2: And Browns fans might not like this, but.

487
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Speaker 4: I am admittedly taking into account Stefanski won one year

488
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Speaker 4: three years ago too. It's like, we really got to

489
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Speaker 4: give Stefanski two and four years to come on. I

490
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,919
Speaker 4: don't know, there's part of me that actually thinks that

491
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Speaker 4: Browns fans were so upset when I mentioned that online,

492
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Speaker 4: but I was just like, I don't know, is Stefanski

493
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Speaker 4: really the best coach in the NFL twice in four years?

494
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Speaker 2: That seems a little crazy.

495
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Speaker 3: Dan Campbell is a is a thought, you build a

496
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Speaker 3: good case for.

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Speaker 2: You, Okay, thank you?

498
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Speaker 3: He it is. It would be a two or three

499
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Speaker 3: year award. What was he o for his first to

500
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Speaker 3: aid point? Yeah, was in you know, he's out there crying.

501
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 3: It would have been very easy for the organization to

502
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Speaker 3: move on from him.

503
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Speaker 2: And it started last year. Whatever.

504
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Speaker 4: It was.

505
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Speaker 3: No good organizations if they feel like they have the

506
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Speaker 3: right person in place, stick with them. I mean not

507
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Speaker 3: to say bad about any other organizations that have gone

508
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 3: through three coaches in the last three years, but there's

509
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Speaker 3: one out there that's bad again and they'll be looking

510
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Speaker 3: for another one. I don't know. I wanted to get

511
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Speaker 3: to one more thing before we got out here. I

512
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Speaker 3: wanted to talk a little bit about the FC North

513
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Speaker 3: because you look at the Bengals, they they're zero and five.

514
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 3: In the North, they'd be eight and two. They're eight

515
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 3: and two against everyone else. The Ravens have only lost

516
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Speaker 3: one game outside the North. The Steelers actually have the

517
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Speaker 3: best Steelers actually have the best record in the North.

518
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Speaker 3: They go up to, uh, what are they playing?

519
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Speaker 2: Seattle?

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Speaker 3: I guess it's a good time for me to go

521
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Speaker 3: ahead and say that I don't like the Steelers. They're

522
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 3: gonna be eliminated from the playoffs this week, and that's

523
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Speaker 3: why I'm walking up the Seahawk.

524
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Speaker 4: Oh wow, a surprise live block on a TNF recap.

525
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 2: We were ready, Randy behind the glass. Do you have

526
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 2: it there? It is so thanks. We didn't warn you

527
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Speaker 2: on that. I didn't know that was exciting.

528
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Speaker 3: I feel like the just to read the Steelers. I mean,

529
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Speaker 3: it's nice that they've gotten, you know, back into it,

530
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 3: but they're not good enough. You know, defense can't carry

531
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Speaker 3: them forever. So Seattle's gonna win that game. Well, you

532
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 3: have to talk about one of the AFC North teams

533
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 3: after this week, maybe too, we'll see.

534
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 2: I hope, I hope you're right.

535
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Speaker 4: As a as a geno enthusiast, it does worry me.

536
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 4: Those two pass rushers versus these tackles who can't protect

537
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 4: anyone Right now in Seattle, they've been they've been living

538
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 4: a charm life these last two weeks with these last

539
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 4: second touchdown drives is a tough way to live.

540
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Speaker 2: But I feel like they could do it again.

541
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Speaker 4: And yeah, oologies to all the coaches we didn't go

542
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 4: for you know McVay, Ryan's I think a.

543
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 2: Lot of guys will get votes.

544
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 4: So uh that was that was very classy view a

545
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 4: live lock to finish up En screw the Steelers by

546
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 4: the way, and can you can you wake up and

547
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 4: get a win there?

548
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 2: Bengals.

549
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 4: We were getting all excited about the Bengals. I mean

550
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 4: seven point dogs in Kansas City. I do like that

551
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 4: number for for you.

552
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 3: I don't know if make an appearance on that. I

553
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 3: think every time they've played for the last six times now,

554
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 3: it's been a one score game, So I don't know.

555
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 3: I think the sevens a little you know, a little

556
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 3: rich for that.

557
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 4: And your boy Ana Rumo always has a good plan

558
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 4: for them, and well I know he's not I know

559
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 4: their defense doesn't play well, but he's always has a

560
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 4: good plan for Patrick mahomes here.

561
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 3: You had bought him three defenses in the league this

562
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 3: year and I did not see that coming. So anyway,

563
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 3: enough Bengals talk, what happens. We'll see what happens on

564
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 3: the Year's Eve.

565
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 4: It's always good to uh get some Bengals suck. And

566
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 4: what are you doing New Year's Eve? You working at

567
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 4: the bar?

568
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 3: You know, I am working at the restaurant. At the restaurant, sorry,

569
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 3: most like something like that ten to ten somewhere around there.

570
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 4: So do you ever listen to us, you know, la

571
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 4: slash Hollywood media folk talking about common man rankings and think, Hey,

572
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 4: how about me over here? I'm running this restaurant nine

573
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 4: to nine on New Year's Eve every night. I'm not

574
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 4: complaining about getting an extra game because there's ten and

575
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 4: one am game, one pm games this week. I'm the

576
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 4: top of the common man rankings. Nick Westling, There's.

577
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 3: There's worse things to be than an NFL analyst, I think.

578
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 3: But you know, that's a conversation for another day. I

579
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 3: love my job, so I'm not going to complain. So

580
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 3: uh no, yeah, you guys.

581
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 4: Are we That's That's where what I was trying to say.

582
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Speaker 2: Chris.

583
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Speaker 4: Chris would always laugh when that conversation would come up,

584
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 4: because he would he would just think, like, y'all are

585
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 4: all soft.

586
00:28:58,680 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 2: You'll give you a drink.

587
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 3: You guys don't know nothing about the west side.

588
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 4: Uh, what is going on the west side? By the way,

589
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 4: how are the west How was the westling Christmas? In general?

590
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 3: Christmas good? You know we went over to my uncle

591
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 3: Ritchie've been there for Christmas Eve place on? Yeah, yeah,

592
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 3: probably mine too. Phil came down from Columbus with the

593
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 3: kids and Heather and obviously Tim, Mike and Me and

594
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 3: Steph and Matthew were there, so my mom. So we

595
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Speaker 3: we get We had a good time, got to see

596
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Speaker 3: some relatives and you know, always a good time to

597
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 3: see family and Christmas time, you know, it's the half

598
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 3: happiest time of year.

599
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 2: The Wesseling Uh clan rolls deep. I mean it is.

600
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Speaker 4: It is a clan who does it. The one time

601
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 4: I was there, you know there there were family members.

602
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 2: That's Taffy. You didn't even know there was his family

603
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: members all over the place. I don't even know there was.

604
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 3: I think that was ninety five of them there that day.

605
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 3: By my account, we were landing on one hundred with

606
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 3: you and Colleen showing up, and I think someone someone

607
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 3: got ill and couldn't come into town, so they left

608
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 3: four behind. But I think I think it was or

609
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 3: ninety six that day. And that wasn't all of them,

610
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 3: by the way, there was more.

611
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 4: Well as a festive night in the a f C North.

612
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 4: Congrats to to Mark too Uh, to all the Browns

613
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Speaker 4: fans out there, to Joe Flacco. I'm excited that they're

614
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 4: going to be part of our little playoff adventure. It

615
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 4: was a treat, Nick Avenue on. Maybe maybe we'll make

616
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Speaker 4: this a tradition. You could. You're you're the You're the closer.

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Speaker 4: You're our Mariano Rivera insert great Reds closer.

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Speaker 2: Of the past. Come on, who's the best red An?

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Speaker 3: How about that?

620
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: You strike me more as a Rob Dibble Uh.

621
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Speaker 3: Every that was a fun year, but I don't think

622
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 3: Rob Dibble's my guy.

623
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Speaker 4: For Nick and Uh and Randy behind the glass, we've

624
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 4: enjoyed doing these tnfs every week. We'll be back on

625
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 4: Sunday to bring you how our week seventeen recap. It's

626
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 4: going to be a loaded one. A lot of Sunday

627
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 4: games this week. Until then, do as Chris Westling would say,

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Speaker 4: he'd beh