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Speaker 1: Flyve from the Mercedes Benz Interview Lounge.

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Speaker 2: How'd we get in here? We were in another room

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Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, now we're in the Mercedes

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Speaker 2: Benz Interview Lounge. Anyway, our friend Tommy de Dario's here. Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 2: hey guys. We have lots to cover, a lot and uncover.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, where do we start?

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Speaker 2: Let's see. Okay, I think it was Sunday, Good Morning

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Speaker 2: America with the weekend edition. Tommy geo his husband who's

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Speaker 2: in bed his birthday, birthday, celebrating his birthday in bed,

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Speaker 2: must be nice. He said, have you seen a picture

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Speaker 2: of my husband Tommy from when he was a Halloween

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Speaker 2: costume model? And he showed this picture on GMA. I mean,

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Speaker 2: how many years ago was that? Okay?

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Speaker 3: That that job was like over a decade ago for one, Yes,

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Speaker 3: it's true. A very early.

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Speaker 2: Part of my career was costume modeling, before I was

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Speaker 2: a harlequin romance novel boy. I think the costume modeling

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Speaker 2: is more fun. It is pretty fun, well, can I

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Speaker 2: just say? And then I went on to do real campaigns.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, I was Calvin Klein come just saying, wait

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Speaker 2: a minute, but this campaign's not over. You can still

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Speaker 2: go to test hold on. This is the number one

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Speaker 2: downloaded image from Amazon. Me and a Scooby Doo costume.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I have a big Scooby Doo over my head,

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Speaker 3: the whole big onesie I'm wearing. And Geo's colleague Wit

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Speaker 3: is dressing up as this for Halloween. So found it

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Speaker 3: on Amazon. I had no idea it was still on

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Speaker 3: all these years later. So here we are. My face

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Speaker 3: in Scooby Doo is plastered all over the world as

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Speaker 3: the number one best selling costume.

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Speaker 1: You should be proud.

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Speaker 3: I am, and Geo ordered it to our house. I

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Speaker 3: don't know why, but now it's going to be arriving

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Speaker 3: today and it will be home.

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Speaker 2: I would go as Velma. You win, you would be

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Speaker 2: a pretty Velma. I don't think there is a pretty Villa.

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Speaker 2: You know. I would, but I would get to costume.

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Speaker 2: But I'll also like I would rent No, No, I

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Speaker 2: mean I would get like a toy Ona rab four.

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Speaker 2: You know I'd wear this shirt I'm wearing now.

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Speaker 3: But the best part of the picture, you guys have

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Speaker 3: to look it up is, as Elvis pointed out, I'm

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Speaker 3: modeling this costume with my hands on my hips like

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Speaker 3: total sass.

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Speaker 2: So I'm like a sassy Scooby Doo. Yeah yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we pretty much knew where that was going on anyway.

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Speaker 2: So Tommy of course is a Not only is he

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Speaker 2: modeling outfits for Scooby Doo.

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Speaker 1: But did you do the French made outfit? Do?

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Speaker 2: Listen? I can't reveal all my secrets. Also his podcast,

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Speaker 2: I've never said this before. We've got a big announcement.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about that in a second. But

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Speaker 2: also he's a fitness model as well. I'm not a

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Speaker 2: fitness model. I don't know why it says that I

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Speaker 2: am not a fitness model. I does just say that.

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Speaker 2: I just say that myself. Oh hey, people like to

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Speaker 2: say that it's not true. Okay, then maybe you know,

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Speaker 2: when when everything else goes away, you could be a

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Speaker 2: fitness model. But wait a minute. So he brought us

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Speaker 2: a class take halloween pumpkin filled with healthy Halloween treats. Yes,

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Speaker 2: does you always make fun of the of the crappy

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Speaker 2: way we eat on the show. It's repulsive. So here

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Speaker 2: I have I have Halloween treats for you. Okay, close

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Speaker 2: your eyes. I'm not closing my eyes. Ei are the

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Speaker 2: best things. You're gonna ever, this will change your life.

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Speaker 1: What the hell is it?

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Speaker 2: They're going to change your life. It's some kind of

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Speaker 2: they're going to change you. Like Nate, I have one

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Speaker 2: for you that you will wake up every single day

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Speaker 2: craving this instead of gummy bears, instead of gross processed

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Speaker 2: sugar and candy. Okay, it's the Garden of Life. Organic's

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Speaker 2: elderberry immune gummy.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so I brought you delicious, tasty elderberry gummies that

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Speaker 3: are good for your immune system. They have echinasia and zinc.

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Speaker 3: They're going to keep you healthy all winter long. And

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Speaker 3: guess what, You'll never want to reach for another gross

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Speaker 3: gummy again, because once you have these, it will change

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Speaker 1: Got in the bucket, that's it.

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Speaker 2: That's it. Now open that bad boy and take a bite.

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Speaker 2: I don't get in there. It's fruit, yes, sugar, sugar,

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Speaker 2: no added sugar, all real food. You eat the whole

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Speaker 2: thing if you want, sure the recommended serving sizes for

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Speaker 2: But you know what, if you want to eat today.

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Speaker 1: You're not giving this to the kids, are you.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it brilliant? No, it's not gonna.

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Speaker 1: Throw it at your head.

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Speaker 2: And it's a big Bobby gonna.

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Speaker 1: Get a concussion.

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Speaker 2: It's a big bottle. Who gets a big bottle like that? No,

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Speaker 2: it does not. It tastes like we're eating grandma.

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Speaker 1: How do you know who your grandma? Tastes like?

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Speaker 2: Who hasn't eaten ates grandma?

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Speaker 1: Disgusting?

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Speaker 3: Oh stop it, you guys are just ragging on me.

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Speaker 3: They are made with such fresh, delicious ingredients. And you

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Speaker 3: know what if you if you all want to get

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Speaker 3: the flu this season, fine, don't eat it. If you

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Speaker 3: want to get the worst diseases possible, don't eat it.

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Speaker 2: Can we bring it down a notch and listen? I

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Speaker 2: I appreciate the h the immunity Elderberry.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: I'm fine with that, but as a Halloween treat, it

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Speaker 2: doesn't quite make it okay.

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Speaker 3: Fine, to be fair, if it's not a Halloween treat,

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Speaker 3: how would you feel about it?

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Speaker 2: Us better? I'm gonna have four every single day. See,

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Speaker 2: we'll keep you healthy.

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Speaker 1: After you get the third one, it tastes a little better.

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Speaker 2: I don't have a question.

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Speaker 1: What do you give out as Halloween dreams?

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Speaker 2: Elderberry? Gummies? Yeah, maybe don't. No, I don't don't get

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Speaker 3: The house listen, just because my taste is not that.

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Speaker 3: I don't push that on everybody else. So if a

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Speaker 3: kid wants a TwixT bar, do they still make those?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Okay, I'm now. I haven't a TwixT bar since

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Speaker 2: like nineteen ninety, But if a kid still wants that,

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Speaker 2: I will gladly give them a TwixT spar. You know,

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Speaker 2: and this is a known thing. I have a special

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Speaker 2: way I eat my Snickers bar. You should turn it

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Speaker 2: upside down because the veins will be like on the

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Speaker 2: bottom on your tongue. I don't even know what that means.

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Speaker 3: Danielle here sitting here ragging on the Elderberry gummies and

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Speaker 3: she is popping them like there's no tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: I see you serving eight?

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Speaker 1: Only give me three?

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, it's not added. It's natural. There's no

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Speaker 2: added sugar. Okay, okay, I really think i'd bring you

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Speaker 2: added sugar. Come on now, no, not you what well,

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Speaker 2: it's not Bobby approved. I just ran this scanned it.

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Speaker 2: You know what it has in here is sunflower oil,

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Speaker 2: which is an inflammatory seed oil.

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Speaker 3: Oo.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know this is not good for you. You know,

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Speaker 2: Bobby and I are gonna have a long discussion because

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Speaker 2: I'm not into what Bobby approves and what he doesn't.

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Speaker 2: You know, Bobby, Bobby can kiss my.

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Speaker 1: I have to say there are some things that Bobby. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's all right.

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Speaker 2: Those apps are a little wrong. Hold on, hold on.

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Speaker 2: You know what I was gonna say, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: who's Bobby?

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Speaker 3: He made an app about what you can and cannot

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Speaker 3: those apps are. Anyway, The point is you're welcome for

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Speaker 3: keeping you healthy all winter long. So when all of

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Speaker 3: you report back to me in March and say, god, Tommy,

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Speaker 3: I didn't get sick, I'm gonna say I'm not going

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Speaker 3: to point fingers, but I did give you something in

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Speaker 3: October that could be helpful.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know what you're on today, because you've

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Speaker 2: got lots of energy. Hey, thank you, Tommy. You're welcome. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So phase one of our interview done, and I appreciate

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Speaker 2: you looking at it. I have a whole bag, so

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Speaker 2: don't worry what you won't run out of them of commies.

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Speaker 2: Oh thank you, Yeah, I got you. Thanks I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: talk about what's going on. This thing broke on. There's

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Speaker 2: some people dot com. Yes it did. It's up now

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Speaker 2: fifteen minutes ago. Talk about this latest release from your podcast.

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Speaker 2: I've never said this before.

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Speaker 3: Go all right, my One Tree Hill fans, I have

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Speaker 3: an amazing actress, Bethany Joy Lens on the show. She

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Speaker 3: starred in One Tree Hill for nine seasons, and during

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Speaker 3: her entire time on that show, she was also in

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Speaker 3: Dinner for Vampires where she talks about being in this

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Speaker 2: I know what would explain. She was in the cult

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Speaker 2: during the entire shoot of Yes.

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Speaker 2: It started as Bible study. It was a weekly Bible study.

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Speaker 3: documentaries on cults. I think it's fascinating and I've always

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Speaker 3: and it happened to her. And the most fascinating part

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Speaker 3: about this cult is you know, they're not in the

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Speaker 3: stereotypes of what you think it would be. It's kind

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Speaker 3: of very normal life, but with total manipulation, right, And

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Speaker 3: they separated her from her family, from her friends. They

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Speaker 3: stole two million dollars from her. She was essentially working

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Speaker 3: on that show to fund the cult leader's lifestyle. She

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Speaker 3: married the cult leader's son. So it's this wild story

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Speaker 3: of alluded to like a maah, who would get into

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Speaker 3: to allow that to happen? And she said, would you

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Speaker 3: call a woman in an abusive relationship stupid? Would you

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Speaker 3: would you say she's stupid? Or is she suffering from

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Speaker 3: manipulation and from gas lighting and from emotional, psychological, physical,

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Speaker 3: mental abuse. It's the same thing. When you're in a cult,

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Speaker 3: all those things happen. So it's really this eye opening

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Speaker 3: happen to and it did. And she has a daughter

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Speaker 3: now and it is with the cult leader's son, who

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Speaker 3: she's not involved with, of course anymore, and she's out

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Speaker 3: of the cult. But this book is so honest and

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Speaker 3: raw and vulnerable. And if you love true crime, if

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Speaker 3: you love you know, this category of content, you gotta

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Speaker 3: read it. And this episode of my show is fascinating, fascinating,

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Speaker 3: And Elvis mentioned the People magazine exclusive which is out now.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, I stayed away from all of it.

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Speaker 3: I'll come over you, Elvis if you want that.

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Speaker 1: If you explaying them with that Abercrombie perfume or whatever

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's one of the driving forces for so

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Speaker 2: All, and it happens and you don't even realize it.

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Speaker 2: So we had so much fun at Danielle's hollow hollow

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Speaker 3: So I said, oh my god, you just help me

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because you got so excited happened. I didn't break

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Speaker 3: Oh see, thank you appreciating my knowledge. Garden of Life

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Speaker 3: I am very and like you guys know this. I'm

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Speaker 3: Why do I come here? Over and over and over again?

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Speaker 2: Can we not use that? But like that is so

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Speaker 2: we need to be able to see you right through you. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So what else do you have coming up on your podcast?

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Speaker 2: I've never said this before. Yes, a lot of fun stuff.

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Speaker 2: Next week's episode is with Sarah Drew.

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Speaker 3: If you watch Gray's Anatomy, she has a new holiday

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Speaker 3: And then we're getting into the Netflix world of Christmas movies. Yes,

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Speaker 3: so I believe. I don't want to be premature in

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Speaker 1: Oh shut up, I need to be there when you

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Speaker 2: Yes, calm down now, I for pr tries to pull out.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna play this clip and say, Nope, you can't

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Speaker 2: Yes, so it's the same movie over and over. No

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Speaker 1: To come up here she was. Remember how nice she

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Speaker 3: Well, I think I'll be interviewing her and Lacy Shabert Shabert,

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Speaker 3: Lacy Sabertbert. Yeah, she has also a Netflix holiday movie

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Speaker 2: But don't look at me like I'm out of it

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Speaker 2: because you don't even know if they still make twigs.

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Speaker 2: That's a fair question. I would think Tommy de Daria

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Speaker 3: I'm ready, I'm available, Yes, yes you are, let's do it.

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Speaker 2: All right? All right, So the podcast I've never said

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Speaker 2: But this this latest latest interview with Joy Lens Bethany

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Speaker 2: Why what made what it made? Made it one of

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Speaker 2: your favorites out of all the other.

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Speaker 3: Because everything I thought going into the interview was the

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Speaker 3: exact opposite. And I really do pride myself on not

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Speaker 3: having judgments or preconceived notions, but we're all human and

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Speaker 3: I really really learned so much about her experience being

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Speaker 3: in a cult, and like I said, everything that I

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Speaker 3: had thought in the past has changed. And also she

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Speaker 3: is a part of pop culture history. One Tree Hill

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Speaker 3: was iconic. It was on for nine seasons. It was

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Speaker 3: one of the most highly rated shows at the time.

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Speaker 3: You know, Sophia Bush, the cast, Chad Michael Murray like

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Speaker 3: it's it's there.

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Speaker 2: They're talking about a reboot.

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Speaker 3: We also talk about that because I was curious to

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Speaker 3: know if a reboot came around. Does she have so

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Speaker 3: much PTSD from being in a cult that she would

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Speaker 3: think she wouldn't have a seat at the table. Does

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Speaker 3: she think like, oh my god, my cast knows everything

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Speaker 3: I went through, this is all out there, while they

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Speaker 3: think I'm perceived as crazy.

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Speaker 2: Whatever the case may be. Like, will she be able

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Speaker 2: to participate?

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Speaker 3: And she said I think I would be yeah, because

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Speaker 3: the cast was nothing but lovely to me.

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Speaker 2: So and I love what you said about how you

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Speaker 2: love that interview because once you were in an interview,

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Speaker 2: it was nothing you had expected from the interview, just

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Speaker 2: like just what I thought this would be interesting again,

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Speaker 2: why do I come here? I hate it? Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: the one and only Tommy, Tommy Dederia, give go a

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Speaker 2: happy birthday, hug for it. I will, all right, I

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