1 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: At this hour, we know that a forensic pathologist is 2 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: on his way traveling across the state of Wyoming to 3 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: perform the autopsy on twenty two year old Gabby Potito. 4 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: This as the so called boyfriend Brian Laundry on the lamb, 5 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 1: missing or hiding as Gabby's parents say, But why and where? 6 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: Crime stories? With Nancy Grace joining me an all start 7 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: panel to make sense of it all. But first I 8 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to our cut one 9 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: one one our friends at Fox thirteen. This morning, Norport 10 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: Police announced the search at the Carlton Reserves, meaning more 11 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: than two hundred and fifty thousand acres had been finished. 12 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: He said, at this point it appears that they've exhausted 13 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: all avenues of searching there and they were moving on 14 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: to other locations now. The search started after Brian's family 15 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: called investigators on Friday to report him missing. They told 16 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: investigators he left on Tuesday with a backpack, saying he 17 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: was headed out to the Carlton Reserve. We know at 18 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 1: some point a car that Brian's parents said was his 19 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: was found at the park, but his parents then brought 20 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: it back home here to their Northport address. Okay, you're 21 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: hearing Kimberly Kazan at Fox thirteen. But what we know 22 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: is it's a twenty five thousand acre a reserve. The 23 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: search is back on now. It was called off. Many 24 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: league legals thought the search was done Carlton Reserve, but 25 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: apparently the search is back on with me Carson, high 26 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: profile lawyer out of Jacksonville and also former FBI agent. 27 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: Doctor Allan Blockkey, psychologist joining us out of Birmingham specializing 28 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: in criminal psychology. Cheryl McCollum, founder Director of the Cold 29 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: Case Research Institute, Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State 30 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:27,239 Speaker 1: University and author Audrey Collins joining us from Fox News 31 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: Digital and Michael Ruiz Special guests joining us also from 32 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: Fox News Digital. Straight out to Fox News Digital. Michael Ruiz, Now, 33 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: I understand that doctor Brent Blue is the Teton County coroner. 34 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: That's where the autopsy on Gabby is to take place, 35 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: but I don't think that's who's performing the autopsy right Anthy, Yes, 36 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: there is going to be a forensic pathologist coming in 37 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: to assist with the autopsy. We're expecting to hear some 38 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: of that today, so we should maybe get result later 39 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 1: today or possibly depending on how long it takes into tomorrow. Yeah, 40 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: let's talk about that one quick moment before we go 41 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 1: back to the search for Brian Laundry, the so called 42 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:13,679 Speaker 1: boyfriend just got Morgan death Investigator Professor Forensics, jacksonvill State University, 43 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 1: Just Scott. A regular autopsy will take anywhere between one 44 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 1: to ten hours. Would you agree on that? Oh? Yeah, 45 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: very much so. This case in and of itself, Nancy 46 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: is going to be so very involved. And there's a 47 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: reason they didn't do this post yesterday. The reason is 48 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: is that they're attempting to marshal every resource they can. 49 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: Not only are they going to have a board certified 50 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: forensic pathologist there to do the autopsy? First of all, 51 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: First of all, before we get to your suspicions and 52 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: all that's going on up in your head, let's talk 53 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: about what we absolutely know. Okay, you said a board 54 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: certified forensic pathologist. Now, doctor Brent Blue, we know he's 55 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: a doctor. Why would he performed the autopsy? He's right 56 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: there in teach On County. Why would you want somebody 57 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: that's not a board certified forensic pathologist to do this automi? 58 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: I'm just enjoy let me let me, let me tell you, 59 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: Let me tell you the why, because out of all 60 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: the cases that they have had to answer my questions 61 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 1: with a question, we don't like that go out. I'm 62 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: giving you a question. I'm giving you an affirmative statement here, Nancy. 63 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: The idea is that this is the most high profile 64 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: case they have had, maybe ever. I have no idea. 65 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: The blaring light of the media is on them. They're 66 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: gonna want to board certified. That is somebody that has 67 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: got specific training in for forensic pathology to do this autopsy, 68 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: and they will be there to do this post. That's 69 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: why they didn't do it yesterday. Why are you calling 70 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: it a post You may post mortem. See the rest 71 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: of us calling an automist fortem examinations post all right, yeah, 72 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: you know Cheryl McCollum joining me, Founder director of the 73 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: Cold Case Research Institute. He's right. And Joe Scott, I 74 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: know you've got a lot to say on this since 75 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: that's your specialty. But Cheryl, Jeff Scott is right. You 76 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: don't want a foot doctor to perform your brain surgery 77 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: or your open heart. This doctor, this local doctor, doctor 78 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: Brent Blue, is the Teton County coroner. That's an elected 79 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 1: position in most jurisdictions, which means he's probably a great doctor, 80 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: But I don't know if he is a board certified 81 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: forensic pathologist. I mean when you see all this on TV, 82 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: like the coroners, the medical examiners that perform all of 83 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: these unusual tests, that's real. That is real, that really happens. 84 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: And this is an expertise. It's like in my world 85 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: hiring tax attorney to go in and prosecute a triple homicide. 86 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: That is not going to happen. So what are they 87 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: going to be looking for, Cheryl McCollum around the scene, 88 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: the scene where Gabby's body was found. What is critical 89 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: that they preserved at that scene before they even take 90 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: her body to the morgue. They are gonna mark and 91 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: take photographs of exactly how her body was laying, was 92 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: she faced up, was she on her side, where her 93 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: feet under her, where her arms under her, exactly how 94 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: she looked. They're going to measure everything. Then they're gonna 95 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: look for items that might be around her. Yl. For instance, 96 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: earlier this morning, I was having a conversation about Gabby's 97 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: body and the person said, how do I know she 98 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: didn't fall from a tree. Well, okay, number one, she 99 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: didn't fall from a tree, but the position of her body, 100 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: as you were just saying, when her feet under her, 101 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: that kind of a fall or an accident could be 102 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: revealed in just the position of her body. And that 103 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: is why God willing that the medical examiner said their 104 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: own investigators to the scene to look at everything, take 105 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: the appropriate pictures before the body was moved. Excuse me, 106 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: go ahead. They're also going to look for different types 107 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: of dirt on her. Does she have gravel and there's 108 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: no gravel where she is. Does she have you know, 109 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: injuries that don't have small rocks or sand or dirt 110 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: in them. They're going to look for bruises that she 111 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: might have had prior to her death. What were you 112 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: saying about the gravel and the sand and the dirt. 113 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: For example, let's just assume that somebody drug her and 114 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: then threw her off where she would have been drug 115 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: would have some you know, scratches from you know, briars 116 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: so to speak. Found out where the actual killing the 117 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: kurds Dale. They've got to find out where the actual 118 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: death occurred, and that might not be where the body 119 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: was found. You're right. You're right, because I understand from 120 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: I guess we spoke to yesterday who told me that 121 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: at her news agency had drones in the area they 122 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: saw Gabby lying under some trees. They couldn't really make 123 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: it out that well, but then suddenly all of the 124 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: searchers went to that area and she was convinced it 125 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: wasn't she. Wasn't she, Jackie, that Gabby was not buried 126 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: because they could see maybe it was a color of 127 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: a T shirt or something from the air that suggested 128 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: Gabby was lying out under some trees. So what Dale Carson, 129 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: Jacksonville and Cheryl McCollum Cold Case Research Institute is saying 130 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: is correct. Was she dragged there? Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 131 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: I want to go out to Audrey Colin joining us 132 00:08:55,800 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: from Wyoming right now. Audrey, do you believe, as many 133 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:05,719 Speaker 1: of us do, that the social media person as I'm 134 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: calling them, the YouTuber that was on her own trip 135 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: I think with her husband, the Bethunes. Do you think 136 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: them driving by and seeing that camper, they were alerted 137 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: because it had a Florida tag there from Florida. They 138 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: wanted to say hello, but when they looked at it. 139 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: It was all closed up and dark and nobody was there. 140 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: Was that what tipped off the law to search that 141 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,599 Speaker 1: area bridge or Titon the Spread Creek? Yes, absolutely, I 142 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: think that those travelers, those bloggers who captured the van 143 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 1: on their video, I think that was really helpful to 144 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: the FBI on Saturday. The FBI told us kind of 145 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: where to look, and we went over to the area 146 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 1: the next day and there was a cop car guarding 147 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: the entrance to the camp site and that's where the 148 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: search was underway. To doctor Alan Blockkeey, PA clinical forensics 149 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: psychologists joining us out of Birmingham, Doctor Blackie, is great 150 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: to talk to you, and I've done it too. I've 151 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: done it too, and I'm not proud of it. But 152 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: sometimes the hard questions have to be asked of law enforcement. 153 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: Everybody's piling on the Northport police right now. Why didn't 154 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: you arrest laundry sooner? Why didn't you this? Why didn't 155 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 1: you that? Now people are arguing about the discovery of 156 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: her body, Doctor Blackie, why I've hated the area many 157 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: many times. It's like Nila and hey, so you say 158 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: the tea times, the tea times. The first time I 159 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: saw the Tea Times. I got off a planet turn 160 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: around went because I had never seen anything like it. 161 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: I remember the moment I went when I saw the 162 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: Tea Times for the first time in real life, not 163 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: just a picture or in the encyclopedia. Yes there was 164 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 1: an encyclopedia. Then they're overwhelming. So why do we want 165 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: to pile on? Is it because we're so angry about 166 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 1: what happened, Gabby that we want to just point the 167 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: finger anywhere? Yeah, and we want quick answers, and a 168 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: lot of times the answers are not quick. It's a 169 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: slow process. It's methodical, and we have to be patient, 170 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 1: and we're not good at being patient. I'm not good 171 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: at being good at being patient. Oh. Back to Audrey 172 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: Conlin and Michael Ruise, our special guests joining us today 173 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: from Fox News Digital. I mean, Michael, I'm thinking about 174 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: what Audrey, your counterpart, just said about having one cop 175 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: car or sheriff car. They're guarding the area of this vast, 176 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: vast preserve. And we also have to remember, Michael, you've 177 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: just come back from Wyoming. They were in a dispersed 178 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: camping area, which means you're not on the grid at all, 179 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: you're away from those porta parties and that gravel parking lot, 180 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: and you're out in the wilderness with the animals, which 181 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: makes it even harder to find. It makes me lad 182 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: when everyone is piling on for law enforcement for not 183 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: finding her earlier. Yes, Nanthy, that's exactly right there. That's 184 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: bear country. There are grizzlies, there are black bears. There 185 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: are at least three wolf packs, the wild Blore mountain lions, 186 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: all kinds of animals out there that could have, you know, 187 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: interacted with the body if they came across at first. 188 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 1: So it's a wild land and it is very remote, 189 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: several miles outside town plus several miles up the trail 190 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: from where we were, according to off By Police. Describe 191 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 1: what it looks like, Michael Nanthew, you were just talking about, 192 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: you know, the pictures of the Tea Time Mountains in 193 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: the encyclopedia, and in person it's it's so vast and 194 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: so beautiful, and the weather can change. In the harpeat 195 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: we were there, it was pouring raining for a couple 196 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 1: of minutes, then the sun came out. There was a 197 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: time where right after the corner van laughs, the clouds 198 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: cleared up and a rainbow came from the back of 199 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: the trail near where they found her body. So that 200 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: that gives you an idea of of high dynamic the 201 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: sky can be when you're when you're out there. You 202 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: know another thing, Audrey Colin, who's joining us from Wyoming 203 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: right now, Audrey, listen to what Michael always says. Jackie, 204 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 1: you're the first person that told me that a rainbow 205 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: had manifested over where Yeahby's body had been found during COVID. 206 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: At the height of COVID, Audrey, when nobody really knew 207 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,839 Speaker 1: anything and there wasn't a vaccine, we canceled everything that 208 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: summer and it was last summer and got an RV, 209 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: rented one and went all the way from Atlanta, all 210 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 1: the way across the country to the Tetons in Yellowstone. 211 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: And when we first got there there for one day 212 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: we had a guide. Then we hoofed it on our own. 213 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: The guide insisted we all take bare spray. It's like 214 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 1: a big aerosol can and you put it in the 215 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: side of you know, like on your hip, or take 216 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 1: it with you in your backpack. And my son and 217 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: I was looking at my son said, you really think 218 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: I can of air sau sprite is going to stop 219 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: a bear. It is bear country, Audrey, and that's another 220 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: thing they have to take into account. Has her body 221 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: been so attacked by animals that we cannot get a 222 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: cod cause of death. Absolutely. We have talked to some 223 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: locals in the area. We talked to one photographer in particular. 224 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: His name's Tim Mayo and he has lived here for 225 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: a while. He was telling us that it's very likely 226 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: animals could have gone into her remains, you know, if 227 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: she was killed, and that'll definitely make it more difficult 228 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: for a forensic pathologist, I think. I mean, I don't 229 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: know his expertise, but it will definitely make it more 230 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: difficult to examine those remains. To Austrey Colin, I'm gonna 231 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: circle back with you, Joe Scott, just hold that thought 232 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: for just a moment. I'm going to ask Audrey Colin 233 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: and Michael rewis a question I bet nobody's asked you before. 234 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: What was it like there during the search for Gabby 235 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: and you're out in the middle literally of nowhere, overwhelmed 236 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: by the huge expanse, the beauty of it and the 237 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: wildness of it all. I mean, what's your takeaway, Audrey 238 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: as You're standing there waiting to find out where's Gabby 239 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: as you hear what did you see? What did you feel? 240 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: What did you hear? Well, the whole thing has been 241 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: really surreal. I think it was surreal for both of us. 242 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: The beauty is really kind of shadowed by the tragedy here, 243 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: or at least what we think is a tragedy, And 244 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: it's just wild in the most literal sense of the term. 245 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: It's a beautiful landscape, but the situation is very scary. Yeah, 246 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: Michael Ruise, I'm hearing what Audrey is saying. I remember, 247 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:03,119 Speaker 1: just for example, I remember memory going into a courtroom 248 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: pushing open the swinging doors because I'd wait till everything 249 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: was settled before I would go in and start an 250 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: opening statement. I didn't want any distractions. And that moment, 251 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: that moment where either you hit a home run, are 252 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: you struck out? What was that like? As you're standing there, Michael, 253 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: and everybody's you know, that out and that rugged terrain, 254 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: people are looking for this girl who's probably dead. Well, 255 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: it was it was very difficult for me in my 256 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: head to put together how someone could do hurt someone 257 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: in such a beautiful area. I mean, you know, if 258 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: you just look at the landscape, it's so tranquil and 259 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: you're in nature, and it's really just gives you an 260 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: idea of how impressive our country can be if you 261 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: just go out into the national parks and look around 262 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: in nature. And another thing I want to note, you know, 263 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: when the search crew as we're leaving after they found 264 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: the body, there were people with cheery eyes in those 265 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: vehicles as they were pulling out, and it was so 266 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: I think it was not only upsetting for everyone and 267 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: everyone watching, but the volunteer search and rescue crew who 268 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 1: was up there helping the investigators. I mean, it must 269 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: have hit It must have hit them pretty hard too. 270 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace, you know doctor Alan Blocky, 271 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: clinical and forensic psychologists joining us out of Birmingham. Doctor Blocky, 272 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: I guess everybody on this panel may do this because 273 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: I did and still do. If I let myself think 274 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: about the details that Michael Rui's and Audrey Colin are 275 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: telling us, I get overwhelmed, flummixed. I have to have 276 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 1: tunnel vision and look only at the facts for their 277 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: probitive value. What do they prove? What can I prove? 278 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: With this fact? We can I prove with that fact 279 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: because if you think about the human aspect, best case 280 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: scenario leaving her body there to be destroyed by animals 281 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: and decompose like rotting fruit or killing her, or just 282 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: leaving her chasing the van, don't leave, don't leave, don't 283 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: leave as he has done before. Those are really the 284 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: only three scenarios. If you think about that, it's overwhelming, 285 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: it's hard to keep going. What is that part of 286 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: us that switches it off so we don't compartmentalization? Is 287 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: that what it is? Yeah, exactly being able to compartmentalize, because, 288 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: like you said, if you stick with the emotional part 289 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: of it, it's overwhelming and it's upsetting and it paralyzes you. 290 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: And you have to get away from that. You have 291 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: to put it in your back pocket to stay focused 292 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: as best as you can on the facts, on the 293 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: reality of it in order to make progress in an 294 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: order to do what needs to be done for this 295 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: young girl. Yeah, Cheryl McCallum, you and I've been in 296 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: the trenches, and I mean in the physical trenches and 297 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: so many crime scenes across Atlanta and Metsho, Atlanta, in 298 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 1: the middle of the night, early morning, sun, hot afternoons 299 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: and I was just thinking, Cheryl about what I think 300 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: it was, Michael said, Michael Ruise that when a lot 301 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: of the searchers left, they started crying, but in the 302 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: moment they performed. How many times, I mean, have I 303 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 1: had to just pull off the road leaving a crime 304 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: scene or an autopsy or a day in court and 305 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: just breakdown. I could just see them after finding Gabby's body. 306 00:19:58,280 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 1: You know, they did what they had to do. They 307 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: it's a scene, and then just go to their car 308 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: and fall apart. You know, you and I both have 309 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: talked about when we were younger. To Kill a Mockingbird 310 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: was a very influential book for both of us. And 311 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: there's a part of that book where it says some 312 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: of us are chosen for the unpleasant jobs, and that's 313 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: just true. There are a lot of times where you 314 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: and I both have been inside a crime team that 315 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: was just evil and what another person can do to 316 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: another is just unspeakable. But we're in the middle of it, 317 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: and we have got to make sure that the worst 318 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 1: thing has happened. But we're going to gag umwell do 319 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: something about it, and so we have to rise to 320 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: that occasion. Now again once that's over. We're human and 321 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: we're going to react like anybody else is going to 322 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: react at the loss of this incredibly beautiful young life. 323 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: That should not have happened. Oh yeah, I talked about 324 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: it should not have happened. Where sound a male caller, 325 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: not the cops in Moab that separate them, and you've 326 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: got the body cam, and I thought the cops were very, 327 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: very gracious, although I think Laundry was the aggressor. I 328 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: think they got that part wrong. But there's another ni'm 329 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: one call where they see Brian Laundry slapping and hitting 330 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 1: Gabby and she's running up the sidewalk and then they 331 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: drive away. So yes, there are all the warning signals. 332 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: But Joe Scott Morgan and we're gonna circle back to 333 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: Brian Laundry, where the hey is he right now? But 334 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, I guess everything. I don't think you 335 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: liked anything that Michael Ruis or Autrey Colins said because 336 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: they're talking about the vastness of the scene, animal activity, 337 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: the elements. You know, it's cold, and it's hot, then 338 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: it's rainy, then it's wet. What is that going to 339 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: do for this medical medical exam that as we speak 340 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: is probably right now entering the Teton County Coroner's office 341 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: to commence the autopsy on Gabby Potito, and we go 342 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: to air right now with this in our minds. That's 343 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: what's happening right now. Yeah, all of those elements are 344 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: going to play into the final judgment that this forensic 345 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: pathologist makes, Nancy, because the environment that a body is 346 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 1: found in is going to dictate, most importantly the rate 347 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: of decomposition. And as you well know, time is the 348 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: biggest issue here when we're trying to develop a timeline 349 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: as to what has happened. This has got to be 350 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: one of the most confusing cases relative to evidence, where 351 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: people were all these sorts of things and everybody is 352 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: looking at this body that to this point is not 353 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: officially identified as that marker in time. Do you think 354 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: that data from the tattoos? I don't believe in tattoo 355 00:22:55,400 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: I d I think that I want scientific place to start. 356 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: Not what I asked you. They came out and said, 357 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,719 Speaker 1: while we don't have an official ID, we think it's Gabby. 358 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 1: Why did they think it was Gabby? I assume because 359 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: of the color of the hair, which would still be 360 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: attached to the scalp, and the possibility that her tattoos 361 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 1: are still intact. Yet we're making a big but who's 362 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: that is that? Dale? If the personal items would tell 363 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: you as well, do you mean her close her her clothes, 364 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: anything like that would give you a clue. In combination, 365 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: It's like a so you find a piece of luggage, 366 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: the turs, you find a mark on our arm, the 367 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: tchurs from the tattoo. All those things in combination tell 368 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: you pretty quickly whether a turn or not. And I 369 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: can assure you the Bureau's not going to go on 370 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: live and say it's her when it's not. Yeah, you're 371 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: right about that, crossing your form an FBI agent Joe 372 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: Scott that I've immediately jumped the next step, and that 373 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: is if they could I identify her or from a tattoo, 374 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: well you know what that means. That means she still 375 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: her skin is still on her body, which may mean 376 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: we're going to get a cause of death. Yeah, we 377 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: very well might, and we will. We will. They'll come 378 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: up with something at this point, but not today. It's 379 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: not going to happen today. Everybody needs to just diving back. 380 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: What if they say dark bruise marks. You're telling you 381 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,479 Speaker 1: why we've been doing this long enough Nancy that all 382 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: of us understand what they're going to come out and 383 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: do is they're gonna say this is going to be 384 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: pending toxicology. That's what they're looking at. This is a 385 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: big beast of this. Remember that moment in time when 386 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: she was on the side of the road and she 387 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: was saying, I'm suffering from OCD, I've got to anxiety issues. 388 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: And there's also been this has been floating around out 389 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: there that both of these individuals were without medication. Now 390 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 1: I can tell you they're going to want to determine 391 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 1: what was in both in her system specifically, they're going 392 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: to want to know that because again this goes to 393 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: the narrative, the investigative narrative about the behavior at the line. 394 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: They're not going to give us a COD cause of 395 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: death today, although I want one, but I think they're 396 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: gonna know. They're gonna say they're waiting on toxicology, but 397 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: they're gonna know what thee If they're gonna ever get 398 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: the COD, they'll have it today. They'll be able to 399 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: determine is their deep tissue bruising under her neck and 400 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: the muscles are their strangle marks on her neck? Is 401 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: there a stab wound to her body? And nick to 402 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: one of the bones? Guys, could at all have been avoided? 403 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut one fifteen the nine 404 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:45,479 Speaker 1: one one call Grant Kenny Chairs office, a description of Hi, 405 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 1: can you hear me? Sir? Yeah, Hi, I'm calling. I'm 406 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 1: right on the corner of Main Street by Moonflower and 407 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: we're driving by, and I'd like to report a domestic 408 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: dispute to Florida with the white van Florida lighting, white 409 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: Land gentleman beard. They just drove off. They're going down 410 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: Main Street. They made a right onto Main Street from 411 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: Moonflower or what were they doing? Operatives? But what do 412 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: you say? What were they doing? We drove by and 413 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 1: the gentleman was slapping the girl who was slapping her, yes, 414 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: and then we stopped. They ran up and down the sidewalk. 415 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: He proceeded to hit her, hopped in the car and 416 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: they drove off. Okay, you said, it's a white van. White, 417 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 1: Then I give you the I give you license plate 418 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: if you give me one sec. I took a picture 419 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 1: of it. Time Stories with Nancy Grace. They ran up 420 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: and down the sidewalk. He proceeded to hit her, hopped 421 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 1: in the car and they drove off. Okay, you said 422 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: it's a white van. Wait then I give you this. 423 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: I give you licenseated to give me one sec. I 424 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: took a penture of it. You just heard a nine 425 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: one one call that was played. It went to the 426 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: sheriff's office. This is not the same incident where the 427 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: Moab police saw Gabby's van jump up on a curb 428 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: and then they stopped them. You've all seen that body 429 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: camp footage. This is an entirely different thing, same jurisdiction. 430 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: But remember they were talking about they were talking about 431 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,719 Speaker 1: the Moonflower co op. This was before they were pulled over. 432 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: Another nine one one call comes in and the witness 433 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: sees Brian Laundry slapping and hitting Gabby. Then, as I 434 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: understand it, they go on and then they jump a 435 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: curb and are going a few miles over the speed limit. 436 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 1: Then they're pulled over. Then the body camp happens, and 437 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: you never hear Gabby one time. Stay Brian Laundry just 438 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 1: hit me and slap me. In fact, they named her 439 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: as the aggressor. They're very gracious and very kind and 440 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: very professional, but they named her the aggressor when I 441 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: believe she showed all the hallmarks of being a battered woman. 442 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: That's said, we've got a whole another can of worms 443 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: as they search for Brian Laundry resumes. Audrey Conlin joining 444 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: us from Fox Views a Digital The search for Brian 445 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: Laundry has resumed. What's happening. We've got reporters down in 446 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: Florida right now. In Northport police are still searching the 447 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: reserve down there near Brian tom near his family's home. 448 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: They concluded their search I think yesterday. I'm not sure 449 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: about that, but they resumed this morning, so they're still 450 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: searching in that area, but so far there's been no 451 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: signs at all at either his family's home or in 452 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: the reserve. They've moved to the other side. They're in 453 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: the Venice side of the reserve now, which is only 454 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: a short distance from the family home, about two and 455 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: a half miles, So they're just taking up another area 456 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: that they're going to do a matic search on looking 457 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: for him. No, Carson, are they out there with shacker dogs. Absolutely, 458 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: They've still got a time frame for him and if 459 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: he's moving about, you know, damp weather. It's better for 460 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: dogs than fire. So yes, absolutely they're gonna find him 461 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: if he's in that area. And remember when they took 462 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: the car, They were looking in that car to determine 463 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: whether or not he actually used that car to go 464 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: to that other location where the car was ultimately found. 465 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: Because after that search, they decided we'd better go back. 466 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: He's not in the house. We've searched that thoroughly. We'd 467 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: better to help go back to the reserve, the reserve rather. Yeah, 468 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: you said something really important, Dell Carson straight out to 469 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum joining us. They thought there was a chance 470 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: he was in the home when the FBI swarmed the 471 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: home yesterday, because witnesses say that one of the Feds 472 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: said looking there and was holding a gun and a 473 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: big garden container that had a top on it, and 474 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: they hit the top off and looked in there. So 475 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: obviously they were thinking Brian Laundry maybe there, guys. The 476 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: FBI and police have announced they are resuming the search 477 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: for Brian Laundry right now in a twenty five thousand 478 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: acre Florida reserve. This is the rainy season, much of 479 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: it is underwater. There are times where cops are having 480 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: to searchers are having to wade through two and a 481 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: half three feet of water looking for Brian Laundry. They 482 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: call the search off yesterday, they're back at it today. 483 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: Jos got Morgan. If del Carson is right and there 484 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: are treker dogs out there, if Brian Laundry had killed 485 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: himself out in this preserved they would know it very quickly. 486 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: I believe, yeah, yeah, they would. However, they are going 487 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: to want to specific cadaver dogs as well, So that's 488 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: going to be an interesting point relative to what kind 489 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: of resources are they bringing out there. They are they 490 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: going to use bloodhounds to look for a living individual. 491 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: They're going to go back and get a cadaver dog 492 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: that is actually trained for this. So this is something 493 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: the media needs to start with, you would think so. 494 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: And this is the other thing. If he is intent 495 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: on and he knows he's purposed and what he's doing 496 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: to kill himself, let's just put that out on the table. 497 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: It's going to be even more difficult to find him 498 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: if he's gone to a specific location that's in the 499 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: water for it, perhaps, which I've actually had happened in 500 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: this environment. It's going to make it doubly difficult to 501 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: find his body. I'm still not buying that he's deceased, 502 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: though I said dangerous, warn't for search cruise. They're waiting 503 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: through gator AND's sake infested swamps and flooded hiking and 504 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: biking trails. Cherylan say you jump in, mama. Nope, Dale, 505 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: this is really important. His mama is not acting in 506 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: a way that would be indicative of her believing that 507 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: her baby is not alive. Without getting coffee. She is, 508 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: you know, waiting Tuesday. She's waiting Wednesday, She's waiting Thursday. 509 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: She's waiting all day Friday before she reports him quote missing. 510 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,959 Speaker 1: She ain't out there searching for him. She ain't frantic. 511 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: She ain't got the priest at her house. She's not 512 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: begging any friend that she might have left to look 513 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: for him. She don't believe it, and neither do I. 514 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: Devoid of urgency, I gotta say, Mike, So, doctor Alan Blacky. 515 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: Based on what Cheryl and Dale Carson Joe Scott are 516 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: saying about the mother's own behavior, let me throw this 517 00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: at you. You're the shrink. If he were a remorseful 518 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: over what happened to Gabby, why would he wait till 519 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: now to kill himself? I mean, what's the likelihood? I 520 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: know this is a crapshoot, but why would you go 521 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: out into a swamp, snake and gator infested, soaking wet 522 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: reserve to kill yourself? Yeah? I don't. I don't buy 523 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: it either. I don't buy that he's trying to kill 524 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: him Is this block key? Yes? Go ahead, go ahead, doctor. 525 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: I don't buy that he's trying to kill himself. None 526 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: of it makes sense. Like you said, he hasn't been 527 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: remorseful since day one. Everything he's done has been to 528 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: a zone skin right and to hide, to hide, to hide. 529 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: So I don't buy that this is a suicidal mission. 530 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: He may end up to cease, but I don't believe 531 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: this is a suicidal mission, which lays me to one 532 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: of my old adages you've all heard when you don't 533 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: know a horse. Look at his track record. He with 534 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: his parents' help, had been hiding him and all pertinent 535 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: evidence since September one. Why would they stop now? Hey guys, 536 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 1: here's an update. Take a listen to our cut one seventeen. 537 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 1: This is Brendan Kirby Fox ten in mobile A check 538 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: with Mobile police here and also with the Mobile County 539 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office. Lots of tips coming in, but nothing confirmed. 540 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,800 Speaker 1: All this exploding on social media, with people posting on 541 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: Facebook and Twitter about supposed sightings of Brian Laundry over 542 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: the weekend here in the Mobile area. Some have indicated 543 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 1: that with certainty that he's been here in the Mobile area. 544 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: Law enforcement officers have been today busily trying to run 545 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: down those leads, but a spokeswoman for Mobile Public Safety 546 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: Director Lawrence Batiste tells me that none of those leads 547 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 1: produced anything solid. They may not have produced anything solid, 548 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: but do we believe Michael Ruiz, Fox News Digital that 549 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 1: Brian Laundry has been sided Well, I do think that 550 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: the social media tips are very helpful in this case. 551 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,800 Speaker 1: I mean, they've led us to a few breaking news incidents, 552 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: incidences the people around the country recognize his face now, 553 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: and people are seeing what his movements and they're very 554 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: alert for that, and they're sharing that information with authorities 555 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: and sort of closing in on someone on the LAMB 556 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: Right now. Austrey Colin, reporter, Fox News Digital, cops are 557 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: probing a Brian Laundry siding in Alabama near Mobile. What 558 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: if anything. Do we know now? I do know they're 559 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: at Tilman's Corner that a body was found near Walmart. 560 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,240 Speaker 1: It's not him, that was a homeless person, not Brian Laundry. 561 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: But what about these sidings Autrey is or anything to them? 562 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 1: Like Mike mentioned, I think social media tips can be 563 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: really helpful, but they also need to be screwnized. They 564 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: need to be looked at by law enforcement, by the FBI, 565 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,320 Speaker 1: to the German if they're you know, real or feak. 566 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 1: And I think the authorities are probably handling that in 567 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: this case. About the sighting in mobile, I don't know 568 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: for certain if it was a real sighting or not. 569 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 1: I've seen conflicting reports, so I can't speak to that 570 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: somebody gave him a ride. I'm guaranteeing you that that 571 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: vehicle is being processed right now for fingerprints, if we 572 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:30,399 Speaker 1: even have his fingerprints. Back home, guys, right now, let's 573 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,959 Speaker 1: keep in mind that the autopsy on this beautiful girl, 574 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 1: Gabby Petito is occurring as we speak, as you are listening, 575 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: She's being autopsy cut open to find a cause of death. 576 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 1: This as a search for Brian Laundry resumes. And let 577 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: me tell you one thing. I don't know what's going 578 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: to happen at the end of the day with the 579 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 1: cause of death or finding laundry today, but I can 580 00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 1: tell you this with certainty. If the cod is homicide, 581 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 1: there's going to be hell to pay. Nancy Gray's Crime Story, 582 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,320 Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,