1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants huts. Let's go, 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Let's go Giants. Dont get out my Giants bubble, give 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 1: me some job. Part of the Giants Podcast Network's Roll. 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 2: Welcome to the latest edition of The Giants Huddle, presented 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 2: by Citizens. After coming in off the bench each of 6 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 2: the last two weeks, Tommy DeVito will make his first 7 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 2: career NFL start this Sunday in Dallas against the Cowboys, 8 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 2: an undrafted rookie out of Syracuse and Illinois. Who better 9 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 2: to discuss the ins and outs of how you adapt 10 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 2: an offense to a new quarterback and the dynamics that 11 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: come into play on and off the field that a 12 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 2: man who coached in the NFL for over twenty five years, 13 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 2: served as an offensive coordinator with the Cardinals, Steelers, and Browns, 14 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: and the head coach of the Chiefs. A colleague of 15 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 2: mine on Sirious XMNFL Radio none other than Todd Haley Totty. 16 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: Got Lance Meadow here on Giants dot Com. Hopepol as well. 17 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: Appreciate the timeous everything on your end. 18 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 3: Everything's great. Thanks for having me, Lance, looking forward to. 19 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 2: It absolutely well. It's a pleasure having you on the program. 20 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 2: And I'm very anxious to get your inside on a 21 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: variety of topics, So I want to start with just 22 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 2: the pure dynamics of things. This week, Tommy DeVito came 23 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 2: off the bench each of the last two games in 24 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: place of Tyrod Taylor and Daniel Jones. This week, they 25 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 2: know going in he's the starter. So how beneficial is 26 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 2: he that he's going to get all the first team 27 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 2: reps and he's going to be able to at least 28 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 2: build some sense of chemistry with a lot of the 29 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: guys he's going to be out there on the field. 30 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 3: I think it's huge. You know, the fact that he's 31 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 3: played a little bit, you know, prior to this is big. 32 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 3: But you know, when you know who the guy is, 33 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 3: it makes it a lot easier to function because the 34 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 3: job of the coaches is to, you know, look at 35 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 3: his you know his resume, what are his strength what 36 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 3: are his weaknesses? And then as a coach, how can 37 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 3: you best utilize and put him in the best position 38 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 3: to succeed. 39 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: Your offense? 40 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: Is your offense at this point from an offensive coordinator 41 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 2: stampon a head coach. You're not going to revamp everything, 42 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: but what's the conversations you have with the quarterback in 43 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 2: terms of tweaking things, playing to the strength of the 44 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 2: QB as opposed to who previously was under center. 45 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 3: Well, I mean that's a big picture thing. I mean, 46 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 3: you know, as a as an offensive coordinator, quarterback coach, 47 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 3: before you go into games, whether it was Daniel Jones 48 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 3: with Tyrod as a backup and potentially uh the veto 49 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 3: uh being there, you you go through the same process. 50 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 3: You know, what do you what are your favorite pass plays? 51 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 3: What are you comfortable with? What do you hate? You 52 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 3: know in anything that you hate, I mean you you 53 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 3: throw it out for that particular guy. So you know, 54 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 3: you go through that process. You you spend a lot 55 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 3: of time with him. Uh and just and this started 56 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 3: back at the beginning of the week because you don't 57 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 3: want to practice things that uh a player is uncomfortable with. 58 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 3: So you know, you start that process very early. Exactly 59 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 3: what I said. I mean, it's you know, what are 60 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 3: the things that you love, what are the things that 61 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 3: you're uncomfortable with, what are the things you're kind of 62 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 3: csc on, you know, and and you you form your 63 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 3: your plan that way. Uh. And and when when the 64 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 3: when the real game starts and the pressures on you know, 65 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 3: you rely on some of those things, and it doesn't 66 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,399 Speaker 3: mean it always works, but you want your your your 67 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 3: all your players, but especially your quarterback, being very comfortable 68 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 3: with what's coming out of your mouth when you call 69 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 3: it play. 70 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 2: And what you're talking about, essentially is the cadence of 71 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 2: what the quarterback is going to be doing in the huddle. 72 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 2: So how much does that not just necessarily impact Todd 73 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 2: what you are relating to the quarterback, but the offensive lineman, 74 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 2: the personnel getting used to over the course of the week. 75 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 2: How Tommy DeVito ushers in the play as opposed to 76 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: Daniel Jones and Tyrod Taylor. 77 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was speaking a little more on 78 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 3: just the scheme, the plans in the plays. Uh. You know, 79 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 3: like I said, you you sit there with them and 80 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 3: you're like, all right, you know from a because there's 81 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 3: run plays that are run checked to another run. Yeah, 82 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 3: the center's going to be involved in that, you know, 83 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 3: or the offensive line and understanding everybody being on the 84 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 3: same page. But you know, what are your favorite play actions, 85 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 3: what are your favorite drop ACKs, what are your favorite 86 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 3: third down plays? What are your favorite red zone or 87 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 3: backed up? I mean the whole gamut of just you know, 88 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 3: doing everything you can to make him he has to 89 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 3: be comfortable if there's uncertainty. I mean, there's going to 90 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 3: be enough uncertainty. Wants the balls in that, but you 91 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 3: know you don't want any uncertainty When you call that 92 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 3: play in from the sideline, he hears that he has 93 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 3: the trust that you're giving him. You know, you don't 94 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 3: want to call a play that. He said, I hate that. 95 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 3: I don't I'm not comfortable with it. I mean, that's 96 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 3: the last thing you want happening. You want you want 97 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 3: a comfort zone for him that every time he hears 98 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 3: your voice, he's hearing what you've already discussed throughout the 99 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 3: week in practice and feel good about. 100 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 2: And he clearly has had the luxury since he's been 101 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: with the team throughout the course of the offseason to 102 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 2: watch how Daniel Jones and both Tyrod Taylor have operated 103 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 2: the offense. I want to bring up Tyrod Taylor because 104 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 2: Todd coincidentally you're with him in Cleveland in twenty eighteen. 105 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 2: He began the season as the starter, unfortunately gets hurt. 106 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield takes over. The rest is history. It's amazing 107 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 2: to me his last few stops the Browns, the Chargers, 108 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 2: the Texans. Here in the Giants, he's gotten an opportunity 109 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: to come in as the starter. 110 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: Unfortunately the injury bug has struck. 111 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 2: Isn't an amazing I mean that this continues to be 112 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 2: deja vu all over again. 113 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: With respect to Tyrod. 114 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's amazingly sad for him because I love Tyrod. 115 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 3: I root for him every time he's out there. You know, 116 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 3: when you see these rosters come out at the start 117 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 3: of the season, you know, I'm very keenly aware of 118 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 3: the backup situation at every place because we're seeing it. Oh, 119 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 3: I mean, how many rookie quarterbacks have already started ten? 120 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 3: I think, you know, it's the way of the NFL 121 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 3: right now. Quarterbacks have a hard time surviving an entire 122 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 3: season one way or the other. So, you know, I 123 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 3: looked at the Giants. I liked, I liked you know 124 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 3: how I felt about Daniel Jones coming into this year, 125 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 3: and then I look at the backup situation. I'm like, 126 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 3: all right, they got Tyrod. If I'm having Daniel, they're 127 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 3: in good position. Unfortunately, you know, for Tyron, it just 128 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 3: you know, he's been unable to stay healthy you know, 129 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 3: not always his fault obviously in a couple of the cases, 130 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 3: but you know that that's what you look for. Now 131 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 3: when you're talking about number three undrafted. I mean, now 132 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 3: you start to get into a really sticky situation. 133 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 2: What does Tyron's presence though, still be in the quarterback room, 134 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 2: even though he's hurt do for a guy like Tommy DAVIDO. 135 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 3: Oh, he Tyron's awesome. I mean he was. He was 136 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 3: awesome for Baker, you know, even though he was the 137 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 3: starter at first. Once that changed, you know, everyone I 138 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 3: still say to this day those quarterback meetings that I 139 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 3: had in Cleveland with Baker and Tyrod were just awesome. 140 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 3: And a lot of it was Tyrod because he's a 141 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 3: he's a comming influence. He's not a guy that gets flustered, 142 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 3: you know, whether it's on the field or in meeting rooms. 143 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 3: And in the meeting rooms that's even more important. He 144 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 3: just was. He was the same guy every day. And 145 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 3: I think Tommy will gain a lot from having a 146 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 3: presence like that with him because you know, he's been there, 147 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 3: done it, He's been in this position himself, so you 148 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 3: know he's able to he's able to probably offer a 149 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 3: lot to a young quarterback going into an into a 150 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 3: pretty big situation. 151 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:45,679 Speaker 1: Pod what about the conversations. 152 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 2: Clearly, as a coordinator and a play caller, you're going 153 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 2: to communicate with your quarterback in between each series, but 154 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: what Hirod sees in a game and what he can 155 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 2: then communicate with Tommy over the flow of the contest 156 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 2: and him providing a different vantage point than perhaps what 157 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 2: you have on your plate as the offensive coordinator or 158 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 2: play caller. 159 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 3: Oh again, I think it's huge. You know, again, knowing 160 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 3: Tyrod and his personality, He's not He's not ever gonna 161 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 3: show any kind of anxiousness or being flustered. You know, 162 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 3: in that situation, he's going to be a very You know, 163 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 3: coaches can get emotional and they'll be matt you know, 164 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 3: pissed off about something that happened. But a quarterback that's 165 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 3: been there, done that, like Tyrod, Uh, you know, he's 166 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 3: going to be a very I think, a great calming influence. 167 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 3: Again in a very big situation. I mean, you're playing 168 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 3: the Dallas Cowboys. I mean you know, all week you're 169 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 3: watching tape and you're seeing what they're capable of. But 170 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 3: you know, it comes down to the staying poised. You know, 171 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 3: the quarterbacks that are able to keep that composure in 172 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 3: big situations after a bad play. There's gonna be bad plays. 173 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 3: It's gonna be how you respond to those bad plays 174 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 3: that if you let it. You know, I always say 175 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 3: you go into the spin cycle. 176 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:05,199 Speaker 1: You know. 177 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 3: I've seen players that one play turns into two plays 178 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 3: into three and then it really starts rolling downhill. You 179 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 3: know bad. So you know a guy like Tyrod I 180 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 3: think you know, is going to give great insight to 181 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 3: the young quarterback, especially in those situations. You know, and 182 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 3: maybe he makes a great play and Tyrod will be 183 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 3: the guy saying, hey, next play, next play. You know, 184 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 3: it's it works both ways. You know, you don't want 185 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 3: to get too up, you don't want to get two down. 186 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 3: You want to just stay composed and toised. And if 187 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 3: you're able to do that, I mean, you're in the 188 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 3: NFL for a reason. I know you were third on 189 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 3: the depth chart, but I've seen thirds turn out pretty 190 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 3: well at different times. 191 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 4: You're ready for a change. Pay Day comes early with citizens, 192 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 4: so go to that retreat. Knew you moves to the country. 193 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 4: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are 194 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 4: you ready for all that life breaks? 195 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: This is the Giants Subtle Podcast, brought to you by Citizens, 196 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 2: the official bank of the New York Giants. 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Let's 207 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: start with the Pittsburgh Steelers. 208 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 2: Unfortunately Ben Roethlisberger went down a few times though, I mean, 209 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 2: you saw your mix of Carly batsch, Iron Leftwich, Michael Vick, 210 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 2: Landry Jones. What was it like during those seasons where 211 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 2: you sometimes you went through three different quarterbacks during the 212 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 2: course of one cycle. 213 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's difficult as part of the game though, 214 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 3: So yeah, you have to you know, as Bill Parts 215 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 3: said to me, you know, the players aren't going to 216 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 3: change figure it out, so you know the situations that 217 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 3: you know you're not going to bring in, you know, reserves, 218 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 3: you know, off the street at this point. So you know, 219 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 3: it's it's a lot of conversation going back to what 220 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 3: I said earlier that you know, what is what are 221 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 3: this what is this guy's strength? What are his weaknesses? 222 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 3: You know, how can we cover up some of those weaknesses? 223 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 3: And I know Brian dave All is an excellent, excellent coach. 224 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 3: He's proved that, so you know he's involved in it 225 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 3: a lot. You know, it's just it's part of it. 226 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 3: You know, you got to manage receivers that maybe we're 227 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 3: thinking one thing. You know, oh we got Daniel Jones, 228 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 3: I'm gonna you know, they have their own goals. You know, 229 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 3: tight ends have their own goals. Sae Kwon Barkley has 230 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 3: his own goals. I mean, it's a team, team group. 231 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 3: But still, you know you're never going to take that 232 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 3: out of players. So you know, I I go back 233 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 3: to you know, Antonio Brown and Pittsburgh was tearing it 234 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 3: up and all of a sudden, Ben goes down. You know, 235 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 3: we signed Michael Vick. You know, he's trying to learn 236 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 3: a new offense. This is a different situation that because 237 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 3: Mike came in off the street and was in a 238 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 3: really hard predicament. But you know, you got to deal 239 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 3: with a player like Antonio that you know, he wants 240 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 3: to get twenty targets and go for one hundred and 241 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 3: eighty yards a game, and all of a sudden he 242 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 3: sees the writing on the wall. It's not going to 243 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 3: be the way it was. So you got to manage 244 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 3: all of that and that that becomes the coach's responsibility. 245 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 3: And and Brian will do a great job at that 246 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 3: of just tempering everybody, and you know, pulling together. You 247 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 3: don't you don't replace the Ben Roethlisberger with one guy. 248 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 3: You don't replace Daniel Jones with one guy. You don't 249 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 3: even replace Tyrod with one guy, because he's an experienced 250 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 3: guy that's played a lot, you know, so now you 251 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 3: have a young guy in there. It's about trying to 252 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 3: convince everybody to pull together, uh and raise their level 253 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 3: of play in whatever capacity, whatever role they have. And 254 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 3: I think that's the way you can you can make 255 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 3: it work. I mean, I've gone on the road with 256 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 3: Charlie Batch and well, I think is the heck of 257 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 3: a quarterback. But you know, he went into Baltimore and 258 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 3: and got us a huge win when Ben was down. 259 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 3: So you know, I've been with the Cowboys when Bledsoe 260 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 3: was the starter. And this guy Tony Romo, who kind 261 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 3: of was in this de veto situation. Now he was 262 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 3: there longer he had been there. But you know, he's 263 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 3: got to go into Giants Stadium to start a second half. 264 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 3: In the first ball, he fumbles or throws a pick 265 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 3: or something for a touchdown. And I mean, but he 266 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 3: survived it. You know, I think you know, the reclming 267 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 3: forces involved that allowed him to settle down and and 268 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 3: then we went on a pretty good run. So that's 269 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 3: the situation to me as much as as closest to this. 270 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 3: Even though Tony had been there for a couple of years. 271 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 3: You know, you're talking about an undrafted guy, uh, you know, 272 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 3: coming in, you know, earning it, trying to earn his 273 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 3: spot on the roster, you know, on the show team 274 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 3: and all those things. And then you know, when you 275 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 3: get that opportunity, you never know what's gonna happen. Kurt Warner, 276 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 3: I mean, I wasn't there but I was there the 277 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 3: second time around when everybody thought he was done in Arizona, 278 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 3: and all of a sudden he got that another opportunity 279 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 3: as he did and with the Rams, and then it 280 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 3: became the greatest show on turf. You don't know how 281 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 3: it's going to go, but you know, a lot of 282 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 3: the things that I'm talking about factor into that. The coaches, 283 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 3: their ability to to figure out, you know, to put 284 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 3: him in a position to s seed and understand that 285 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 3: he's the young guy. You know, how does the defense play? 286 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, that's why it's the greatest team sport 287 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 3: in the in the world. I mean, you need it all. 288 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 3: But at the same time, the quarterbacks got the spotlight 289 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 3: on him all the time. 290 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 2: Well, I think you bring up a great point about 291 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 2: the style and strategy of play. Because the Giants were 292 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 2: playing the Jets Todd a few weeks ago. It was bad, 293 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 2: rainy weather and you're shaking your head, so you know 294 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 2: exactly what I'm talking about. It Tommy DeVito, he was 295 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 2: forced to come in because Ty suffered the rib injury, 296 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 2: and I mean they just pretty much emphasized the run. 297 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 2: They were not throwing the ball much and Brian Dable 298 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 2: spoke after the game and said they knew going in 299 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 2: with the weather being bad and Tommy DeVito not getting 300 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 2: a lot of first team reps, that that's what they 301 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 2: were going to subscribe to. But then we saw the 302 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 2: Raiders game where the weather wasn't an issue because it 303 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 2: was indoors and they let him throw a little bit. 304 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 2: So how much is that part of the conversation both 305 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 2: prior to and during the course of the game. 306 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: You may go in with a game plan, Todd, but you. 307 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 2: Know what, based on how the game flows, all of 308 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 2: a sudden, you got to flip the script. 309 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and that happens all the time. I mean, 310 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 3: whether you know this time of year now you're going 311 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 3: to start getting into some of those things. And again 312 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 3: I always go back to coach partals. You know, we'd 313 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 3: have a staff meeting, we might plan one way the 314 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 3: whole week, and all of a sudden, you know, two 315 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 3: days before the game or the night before the game, 316 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 3: you hear it's gonna be rainy, it's gonna be cold, 317 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 3: and we you better have an answer. It can't just 318 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 3: be drawn in the dirt. I mean, you got to 319 00:15:57,920 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 3: plan that way throughout the week. You got to have 320 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 3: your little four minute package that you normally would use 321 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 3: to run out the game and win it by running. 322 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 3: But if weather's the factor, that four minute package becomes 323 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 3: a big thing. I thought, I thought the Giants really 324 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 3: did a great job in that game. I mean, they 325 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 3: they got handed a bad a bad deal. You know, 326 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 3: they lose their quarterback, they're playing with a young guy 327 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 3: that's never played, but their defense was playing good. They 328 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 3: were holding the Jets down. It looked that whole game 329 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 3: like they were gonna win. If they make a kick, 330 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 3: they win, And I thought it was a tremendous coaching job. 331 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 3: It just didn't work out in that situation. Now they 332 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 3: got it, you know, they got more time to figure 333 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 3: out what Tommy could do, even though you know they 334 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 3: didn't think he was gonna start. You know, Daniel was starting. 335 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 3: But they you get a little clearer picture of a guy, 336 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 3: you know, once you've seen him in action. And I 337 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 3: think the Raider game is a big thing. I mean, 338 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 3: it didn't go the way they wanted it to, but 339 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 3: at least they they they know a lot more about 340 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 3: the player at this point. So I think with another week, 341 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 3: you know, I'll take advantage of. 342 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 2: That what about from his perspective, Todd, you talked about 343 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 2: the coaching staff gets a better idea of what Tommy 344 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 2: DeVito could do because he was in the last two games. 345 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 2: But for him to now digest the speed of the game, 346 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 2: because you know, he hasn't started a game yet, but 347 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 2: at least he's been in a few contests, so he 348 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 2: understands the task at hand, and how better prepared he 349 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 2: is as opposed to another baptism by fire scenario where 350 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 2: he doesn't know going in he has to start or 351 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 2: has to be thrown in the game and then just 352 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 2: out of the blue, get shoved into a contest in 353 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 2: the second of the third quarter. How much does that 354 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 2: change you think for him in terms of his comfort level. 355 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 3: I think it does nothing but help. I mean, before 356 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 3: all that, you know, the injuries and those things started. 357 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 3: I mean, this was a young guy who made the 358 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 3: roster in any capacity, was practice squad er on the 359 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 3: fifty two. But you know he was given jobs. I guarantee, 360 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 3: I know how Brian works. You know, he might be 361 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 3: stuck in the in the office breaking down third downs 362 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 3: or red area or whatever. You know, you try to 363 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,719 Speaker 3: get those guys up the speed mentally, so they're seeing 364 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 3: the picture the right way. But until you're out there, 365 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 3: you just don't know what's gonna happen, you know. But 366 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 3: you know, he's got some snaps under his belt. He's 367 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 3: done some good things, he's done some bad things. But 368 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 3: another week, you know, for him, is gonna be huge. 369 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 3: I mean now, now it's not totally new, and again 370 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 3: you don't you know, until the lights come on, you 371 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 3: don't know how these guys are always going to respond. 372 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 3: That's why evaluating quarterbacks it's not an exact science by 373 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 3: any means. 374 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: Giants fans love a winner. 375 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 2: It's why they love Citizens named a twenty twenty two 376 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 2: Best Bank of the US by the Banker as the 377 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 2: official bank of the Giants and sponsor of the Huddle, 378 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 2: Citizens is made ready for the fans of Big Blue. 379 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 1: Learn more at citizensbank dot com. 380 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 2: As we're talking with longtime NFL coach offensive Cordiator head 381 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 2: Man Todd Haley here on the Giants Subtle Podcast. You 382 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 2: brought up an interesting point earlier where you said it's 383 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 2: not so much to transition the quarterback has to make, 384 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 2: but it's also the personnel around the quarterback. And you 385 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 2: brought up Antonio Brown. You look at this Giants roster, Todd, 386 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 2: it's a young group around the QB, the receiving corps. 387 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 2: There's not a wealth of experience, maybe similar to what 388 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 2: you worked with in Pittsburgh. The reason I bring that 389 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 2: up is, does it make it easier for the coaching 390 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 2: staff of the quarterback that Tommy's not thrown into a 391 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 2: situation where he's got Larry Fitzgerald and Kwan Bolden. Not 392 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 2: to say that those guys wouldn't be able to adjust, 393 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 2: but you had them in Arizona. So there's a bit 394 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 2: of naivety, I guess, for the lack of a better word, 395 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 2: with the receiving corps as much as there is with 396 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 2: the quarterback at this point. 397 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it probably helps. It's different than the Raiders. 398 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 3: With DeVante Adams. You know, again, he's the guy that 399 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 3: he probably had aspirations this year to you know, he 400 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 3: probably want to do what Tyreek Hill's doing. But you know, 401 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 3: the scenario situation changed, you know, and how those guys 402 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 3: hand that is a big thing. So when you get 403 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 3: some younger guys, yeah, it's it's probably an advantage. Would 404 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 3: I take DeVante Adams on the Giants roster. Yes, I 405 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,479 Speaker 3: mean would I take Larry Fitzgerald, Yes, But you know, 406 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 3: Keishawn Johnson went through it with the Jets in ninety nine. 407 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 3: I mean, we had a phenomenal season. Vinnie Testa Verdi 408 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 3: made the Pro Bowl. Was a thud. Kishan made the 409 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 3: Pro Bowl. You know, we had a lot of really 410 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 3: good players. And he goes down in the first game, 411 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 3: and you know, we did a little Tom Cooper rick 412 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 3: Meyer experiment, and you know, eventually we found our way 413 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 3: to Ray Lucas, who was playing wide receiver and running 414 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 3: down on kickoffs prior to that. But you know, once 415 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 3: he was in there, he obviously was a totally different 416 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 3: player than Vinnie Testa Verdi. You know just what his 417 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 3: strengths were. I mean, he had athletic ability. You know, 418 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 3: we incorporated him into the game. We simplified a lot 419 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 3: of things, you know, knowing that he hadn't been working 420 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 3: at quarterback a whole bunch. And you know, we went 421 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 3: on a little run and almost made the playoffs. So 422 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 3: you know, that's another great comparison, you know, to this situation. 423 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 3: You know, it isn't how you envisioned it, you know, 424 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 3: as it isn't for the Jets. You know how they 425 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 3: envisioned this year going to this point. But you know, 426 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 3: it is what it is, and I think the really 427 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 3: good coaches figure out some way. And I learned a 428 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 3: lot in that ninety nine year when Vinnie went down, 429 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 3: because you know, you had a leader like Parcels that 430 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 3: you know, we might have been feeling sorry for ourselves 431 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 3: as quarterback, as coaches, Keishawn Johnson might have been feeling 432 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 3: sorry for himself as the receiver, but he was able 433 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 3: to instill in everybody, hey, this is this is the 434 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 3: lay of the land now, so we got to do 435 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 3: everything we can because it's all about winning. I mean 436 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 3: that that's what it is. I mean you you work 437 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 3: too hard to accept it not being anything like, you know, 438 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 3: anything but success. So you know it's a tough situation. 439 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 3: But again I have great confidence and coach Dable and 440 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 3: his staff that you know they'll take lemons and hopefully 441 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 3: make lemonade. 442 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 4: You love turf, You're good at it, So you start 443 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 4: a turf bus business, grows, your savings grow, become the 444 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 4: most celebrated name in turf. Are you ready for all 445 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 4: that life? 446 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 3: Rings? 447 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought up that nineteen ninety nine season, 448 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 2: because that was one of the first examples I thought 449 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 2: of and for the audience to understand you were a 450 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 2: wide receivers coach that year on the Jets. So, Todd, 451 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 2: what were the conversations you had with Keyshawn and company 452 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 2: about how they would have to adapt their play and 453 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 2: level of expectation to your point now that Ray Lucas 454 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 2: was taking over at quarterback. 455 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's again, I'm not there in New York. 456 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 3: I don't know Tommy DeVito. You know, you know he's 457 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 3: been working, he's been running show team cards for the defense, 458 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 3: you know, and probably developing his own relationships. 459 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: Uh. 460 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 3: You know Ray Lucas at that time, you know, he 461 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 3: had been in the receiver room with Keishaan. Uh so 462 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 3: you know it was a different dynamic in that way. 463 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 3: But uh, you know, Ray Lucas had that it's factor, 464 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 3: you know, even though he hadn't made it as the 465 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 3: starting quarterback or or done some of those things, he 466 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 3: had he had that that charisma and gumption that players 467 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 3: seem to be attracted to. So again, without knowing Tommy, 468 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 3: I don't know, you know how those things are going. 469 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 3: But yeah, there were a lot of conversations with Keishean, 470 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 3: Wayne Corbett, ddrich Ward, the whole group. You know, just 471 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 3: you know, hey, you know, this isn't what we expected that, 472 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 3: you know, we we You just try to coach. Coaching 473 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 3: goes on full time. You just try to coach as 474 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 3: best you can to understand, be aware of the situation, 475 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 3: understand some of the other players emotions and and things 476 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 3: that they're going through, and and just try to you know, 477 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 3: be a a steadian factor in the in the equation. 478 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: Here's your point. 479 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 2: Though the team did rally, it seemed around Ray Lucas 480 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 2: because ultimately you finished eight at eight he started. 481 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: The final eight games. What was it like to observe that? 482 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 2: Because it's easy, as you mentioned, for a team to 483 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 2: get down they're on their third string quarterback. You know, 484 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 2: mathematically speaking, probably the chances of making the players so slim, 485 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 2: But then all of a sudden second half of the 486 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 2: year rate takes over. 487 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 1: The results are showing up. 488 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 2: And what you observed in terms of how the team 489 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 2: responded to that change in. 490 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 3: Dynamics, uh, you know, again, the players know generally and 491 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,360 Speaker 3: they you know, they know if you have somebody out 492 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 3: there leading the team that isn't the guy. They also 493 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 3: know when they feel like they get the guy. Now, 494 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 3: it may not be Dan Marino, but it'll be a 495 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 3: guy that the players say, hey, you know, we'll go 496 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 3: to battle with this guy. I mean, I used to 497 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 3: sit in the each meeting room and we're one in 498 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 3: seven or something like that, and I would I would 499 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 3: mark off, you know, each time we won. You know, 500 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 3: we got eight more to go. You know, I knew 501 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 3: what we had to do to you know, we had 502 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 3: to win one more and fortunately I think we lost 503 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 3: to the Colts in a tough one. But you know, 504 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 3: if we win that one, you know, you're in the 505 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 3: playoffs and you're on your third quarterback, third or fourth quarterback, 506 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,479 Speaker 3: maybe because Tom Tuba played a little bit. You know, 507 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 3: it's just the mindset. It's it's trying to just continue 508 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 3: to show confidence that hey we can we can turn 509 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 3: this around. And you know, if the players ever since 510 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 3: from the coaches there another player that they've given up, 511 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 3: then that's when bad things happen. 512 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 2: Tod I'm picturing you in the Jets wide receiver room 513 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 2: with a cutout hardboard image of somebody you know in 514 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 2: the film Major League where they pull off the pieces 515 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 2: as the team starts to rally with I'm thinking maybe 516 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 2: you tapped into that in terms of rallying the troops. 517 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 3: I went to every meeting room. Nobody knew I was 518 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 3: the one doing it, but the grease sports in every room, 519 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 3: and I would I forget exactly what I did, but 520 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 3: I'm like, eight more to go or seven more to go, 521 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 3: six more to go, and nobody knew who was doing it, 522 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 3: but I was. I was clinking around the building, trying 523 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 3: to do it in my own way. 524 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 2: Well, if my facts are correct, I went back and 525 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 2: I looked at that Jet season. I think people forget 526 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 2: Ray actually took over in week six against the Colts, 527 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 2: which you were talking about. Then he got hurt, he 528 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 2: suffered an ankle or a leg injury. You had to 529 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 2: go back to rick Meyer and then Lucas then took 530 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,959 Speaker 2: over again. So I mean, it wasn't necessarily all smooth 531 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 2: sailing that season once Ray took over. 532 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 3: Oh no, I mean it was a when when you're 533 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 3: in that situation, I'm telling you, coach Barthels and again 534 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 3: I keep referencing him, but you know, he's the guy 535 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 3: where why I got to anywhere I did. But he's 536 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 3: not a big talker to the team. It's very few words, 537 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 3: but I mean he's showing videos of Bodacious the Bowl, 538 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 3: you know, knocking the rider out and the rider came 539 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 3: back and wrote them and got the seven seconds or whatever. 540 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 3: I mean, you pull out all the stops as a coach, 541 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 3: you know, you really do. You gotta you gotta go 542 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 3: into into a sixth gear, so to speak to just 543 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 3: because it's hard. I mean, it's hard to win period, 544 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 3: let alone. Now you're on quarterback number three. You know 545 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 3: who's who's a rookie and and undrafted, So you gotta 546 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 3: you gotta pull it all out. I mean, you can't 547 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 3: leave anything in the bag. 548 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 2: So before I let you go, I want to bring 549 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 2: the fan perspective into this because I think it's very 550 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 2: easy for the fans to look at the giant situation 551 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 2: right now, record wise, third string quarterback and start to 552 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 2: turn the focus towards the draft and aspirations there in 553 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 2: terms of how they can maybe help the team moving forward. 554 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 2: But you've seen it within the locker room, within the 555 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 2: dynamics of a team. A lot of people want to 556 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 2: bring up the term tanking that you know, players they 557 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 2: see the math, and they're like, there's no point to playing. 558 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 2: I argue all the time, players and coaches are not 559 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 2: worried about the draft because there's no guarantee that they're 560 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 2: all going to be around the following season. And I'm 561 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 2: just I'm very curious your perspective how you navigate those 562 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 2: waters given what the pressures are coming from the outside world. 563 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: I guess is what I'm getting at. 564 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the fans are entitled to feel and 565 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 3: think however they want, and they're what makes this great 566 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 3: game go because they're they're watching on TV, they're in 567 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 3: the stands, so they are entitled. On the other end 568 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 3: of the other side of the coin, with players and coaches, 569 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 3: it's never a factor. And so what you have to 570 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 3: do as good a job at as anything is insulate 571 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 3: your team when things aren't going well. Insulate, insulate, insulate, 572 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 3: you know, and you do that by there's no way 573 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 3: to completely insulate, but you definitely have those talks and 574 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 3: you're like, hey, you know, the their mom or grandma 575 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 3: or dad or brothers, sister or whatever they're going home 576 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 3: to or wife, kids. You know, you don't know, you know, 577 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 3: you just over and over again you try to impress 578 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 3: upon them that they care about you, you care about 579 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 3: the team, and and and it's very hard, especially in 580 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 3: this day and age, to inculate completely. But you really 581 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 3: just try to circle the wagons and and and try 582 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 3: to keep everybody on the same page as best you can. 583 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 3: And it's a hard, hard job, but I've seen it happen. 584 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 3: It's not easy. It's not fun. But uh, you know 585 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 3: that's really you. Don't don't be on social media, don't. Yeah, 586 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 3: and these are grown men, they can do whatever they want. 587 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 3: But you just try to explain to them that your 588 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 3: mom or dad or whoever that you're going home to, 589 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 3: they only care about you. You know, you got to 590 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 3: care about the team. And the team is if the 591 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 3: team can pull together in those situations. There's beautiful things 592 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 3: that have happened through the history of the NFL and 593 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 3: very difficult situations. I mean, I bring up Kurt Warner 594 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 3: the Rams. I mean, they got Trent Green, they think 595 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 3: he's their guy there, and all of a sudden that 596 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 3: all those hopes were dash. But Dick Vermil was able 597 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 3: to pull that group together, insulate them, and all of 598 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 3: a sudden, this guy Kurt Warner showed up. Yeah, who 599 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 3: they didn't even know who they didn't even know was good. 600 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 2: Right, Well, it's all about the opportunity, as you mentioned 601 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 2: as a quick follow up, Todd, in terms of all 602 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 2: that we're bunching into this conversation. Daniel Jones obviously a 603 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 2: very tough blow for his season to come to an 604 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 2: end torn ACL. 605 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: He just came back from a neck injury. 606 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 2: How is a coach do you attempt to keep somebody 607 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 2: like that still engaged with the team. And I don't 608 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,959 Speaker 2: know if you've been around to QB that specifically towards ACL, 609 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 2: but you've been around quarterbacks that have dealt with injuries 610 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 2: that have had to try to pull a one eighty 611 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 2: and regroup. 612 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: How do you hawk him and walk him through. 613 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 2: That as he has to start to focus on twenty 614 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 2: twenty four. 615 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, as a coach, you'll take 616 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 3: any thing you can get. Obviously, when it's an injury 617 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 3: like that, there's gonna be a surgery involved. There's there's 618 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 3: no way that you can do anything about that. I mean, 619 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 3: he's got a you know, the doctors and he have 620 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 3: to take care of his health. But you know, when 621 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 3: you have him, you know, I think you just try 622 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 3: to you know, you know, he's in a he's in 623 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 3: a low, low place. When guys have a season in 624 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,719 Speaker 3: Indian season injury like that, we always say, I mean, 625 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 3: there's no light at the end of the tunnel. But 626 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 3: eventually you're gonna see a little flicker a light and 627 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 3: things are gonna get better. But uh, you know, it's 628 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 3: just it's hard, you know, depending upon the time and 629 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 3: the surgery, all those different things. If you can have 630 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 3: him around, you try you know, that always helps a player. 631 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 3: You know, you don't want to just act like he's 632 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 3: not there anymore. You know, you know he can be 633 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 3: a benefit. Uh So you know you're worried about the 634 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 3: player as the person, you're worried about your team. You know, 635 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 3: if you can have them, you know, like Aaron Rodgers 636 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 3: being there for the Jets is you know, once he 637 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 3: got through the surgery aspect of his achilles, you know, 638 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 3: it's probably been a big thing for the Jets. You know, 639 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 3: if you can have you can you just gotta, you gotta, 640 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 3: you gotta try to convince guys it's eventually gonna be okay, 641 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 3: even though it looks pretty dark right now. 642 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: And that's exactly the Giants approaches. 643 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 2: They gear up for the Dallas Cowboys this Sunday, with 644 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 2: Tommy DeVito under center in his first career NFL start 645 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 2: as he is. Todd Haley, longtime NFL coach, offensive coordinator, 646 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 2: head man for over twenty five years. Todd, this was 647 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 2: about two or three segments on Sirius x MNFL Radio 648 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 2: that we just went to. 649 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll see you in the morning. 650 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: Absolutely listen. It's always a pleasure, Todd. 651 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 2: I can't thank you, know, thanks so much for the 652 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 2: time and insight. 653 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: Much appreciation. 654 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 3: Always enjoy it, Good luck, Giants. 655 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: Absolutely. 656 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 2: This is the Giants Total Podcast, brought to you by Citizens, 657 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 2: the official bank of the New York Giants. 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