WEBVTT - "Ironing" w/ Alex English 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:23.920 Okay, podcast starts. Now, what's up, everybody. You're listening to 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:30.240 Stradio Lab the greatest podcast in the world about straight 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:32.559 culture by two gay guys. So I didn't realize we 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:35.360 were qualifying it. Okay, Yeah, I guess it is the 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:38.479 greatest podcast in the world. That is the exact podcast 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:40.360 that we're doing. Well, I just feel like you have 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:43.040 to qualify it because you know, before we didn't have 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:45.479 like all these listeners, and now we have all these listeners, 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:47.760 and they're a lot of them are lawyers, and they're 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:50.919 like itching to take action, and it's sort of like 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:54.480 a hero villain type thing where they're like, one of 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:56.720 these days, I'm going to get you saying something illegal 0:00:56.800 --> 0:00:59.880 and then I'm gonna sue you. Think that are are 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:05.039 listeners are enjoying the podcast while also looking for reasons 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:08.520 to sue us. Yeah, well it's it's it's the backlash 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:11.840 era that we've talked about. But this is how it's 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:13.960 actually we could have never predicted that it was a 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:18.200 legal backlash, and the backlash era is still coming. I 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:21.440 have not I have not like moved past my fear 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:25.400 of a backlash era. Yeah, I I mean I've actually 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:27.600 come to peace with the idea of a backlash era, 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:31.800 where like I fear more, um a slight like an 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:36.400 indifference era. People are like, yeah, they're fine, Yeah, that's 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:38.840 actually that's a very good point. But the thing with 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:41.480 here's the thing with an indifference era though, Okay, I 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:44.160 remember very distinctly at some point this is maybe like 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:47.600 Chosen fourteen, when when people still had Facebook and Mark 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:51.640 Zuckerberg was and but then young people were leaving Facebook, right, 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:53.800 and so then Mark Zuckerberg was like, yeah, well I 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:55.840 never you know, look at me. I'm not cool, Like 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:57.760 I it's not like I'm trying to create a cool product. 0:01:57.840 --> 0:01:59.840 I I want to create a product that's like that 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:02.920 everyone just takes for granted, like they do electricity, which 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:06.360 already is dark on on its own. But my point 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:10.240 is it's almost like the indifference is almost the goal. 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:13.720 You're you're just like a part of the It's like 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:16.200 no one questions it, like it's like, how do you 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:19.160 know what I mean? Like, I mean, Facebook is a 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:22.120 bad example because now it's so passe, but like, actually 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:24.960 that's not true. Facebook is still the largest social network 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:29.919 and it's yeah, who who Who's on a different like 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:32.440 what different one has more people. Facebook is like literally 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:34.760 like a third of the world. Wow, I guess it's 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:37.480 like but you know what I mean, Like indifference, it's like, well, yeah, 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:39.480 you're in different to something that is just simply part 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:42.280 of your life. Sure, sure, So the goal for this 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:47.840 podcast is to become so big, so powerful, so exactly 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:52.960 everywhere that people just it's an assumption. It's like it's like, um, 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:56.200 people in the New York Times. It's like when I 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:58.080 see the New York Times. Yes, I have like my 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:01.120 own feelings about like what they cover well, what they 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:02.800 don't cover well. But but when I see it at 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:04.800 like a coffee shop, I'm not like, you get that 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:07.959 out of here. I know, I know it's just part 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:10.519 of our world. Like I don't get overly excited about it, 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:12.359 and I also don't get overly angry about it. It's 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:15.359 just they're sure, sure, sure, And so for me, it's 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:19.600 like the goal is for every America actually everyone globally 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:22.200 to wake up and press play on our podcast and 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:26.040 be kind of like okay, sure yeah, And I almost 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:29.640 want like I want conversations like almost in like small 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:32.040 talk that you hate, like with your family, Like that's 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:33.760 where I want us to come up where it's like, 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:35.840 what's the most base thing we can talk about, And 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:38.120 it's like, let's talk about that podcast radio lapp that 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:41.200 is a part of all of our lives and given, Yeah, 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:44.160 it's like everyone's confused about what our politics are, so 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:48.880 no one can disagree about it. Like it's like, yeah, 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:52.000 I guess they said that the election was all vibes. 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:55.160 They you know, people can kind of like have a 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:58.360 little debate about that without having to express any concrete views, 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:01.080 like you know, oh my god, it is. It really 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:02.680 is very I mean, I guess New York Times a 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:07.200 little different, but it's almost like you know, sixty minutes sure, sure, 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:09.720 it's like you know what it is. It's like, um, 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:14.560 it's like a morning show. I actually think, unfortunately that's 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:16.400 kind of true. Like I think we're trying to make 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:18.240 like jokes, but it's like we are kind of a 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:22.520 morning show, like say more because we're not actually talking 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:27.600 about anything. This is awful, like we are. I guess 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:29.360 the only reason it's not a morning show is because 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:32.760 sometimes we you know, get in fights with our guests 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:36.880 or something. Yeah, but then much like you know, but 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:39.640 but that happens with morning shows. Too. I mean, remember 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:41.920 when gayl King interviewed that girl who had the daddy 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:47.560 cap Oh classic famous, one of my favorite feuds. Yeah, 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:49.560 you know, but that's kind of more of a performance. 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:51.200 And then it cuts to Gayale and she's like, well, 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:55.680 I wish that girl the best. Yeah, well, I guess 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:59.880 we are a morning show. Have your parents listened to 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.600 more to this podcast? They've listened a few times. Yeah, 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:07.720 they think it's they they love it. Yeah, well I've 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:10.600 told my parents are not allowed to. Yeah. The thing 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:13.160 is like, my parents wouldn't listen if I said because 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:15.080 I have said they're not allowed to. But like, it's 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:18.680 not it's not gonna not going to really make a dent. 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:23.400 Misha's mom really wanted to listen because of being written 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:27.000 up an NPR, and then she did for I think 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:30.560 one minute. Yeah it's not. It was like, no, this 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:33.400 does not work for me. Um, but sort of in 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:36.080 that mom way where she's like, yeah, I think I 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:38.720 get what you're doing. So but but maybe this is 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:40.479 kind of proof positive that we are in fact not 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:42.320 a morning show and we will never be The New 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:45.599 York Times. If Misha's mom, who I assume is a 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:50.120 very sweet, kind of lady from you know, you know, 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:52.880 probably probably is the type of person to watch a 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:55.520 morning show. I would imagine, knowing nothing about her yet 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:58.360 she listened to thirty seconds of our podcast and immediately 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:02.640 went to register as a live terry. Yeah. No, she 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:05.640 called me after listening and said, she said, listen to me, 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:09.440 a little bitch. You will never be the New York 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:13.680 Times lady Gaga, you will never be famous. Stephanie GERMANAA 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:18.560 will know that's right, that's right. Yeah. Um, but yeah, 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:20.880 she's super sweet. Other than that time she called me 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:23.200 and called me a bit and said everything. There are 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:26.000 times we can be on the way. We don't have 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:27.320 to be a morning show now, but I do think 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:30.239 that's a good goal to set, Like we'll start becoming 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:33.279 less and less opinionated, more and more bland, until maybe 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:36.680 three years from now your grandparents can listen to us. 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:42.919 That would be huge. What do you think? What what 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:44.120 do you mean? What do I think? Oh? I thought 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:46.719 you were about to say something. Well, see, I wish 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:48.080 I was about to say something. I think I was 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:49.680 trying to make the face that I was about to 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:52.920 say something so that something would come up. Oh wow, 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:56.200 that wait, let's pause on that first you were making 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:58.880 the face of someone about to say something so that 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:01.720 something would come up. Yeah. It's like it's like how 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:03.880 when you want to fake cry for acting or whatever, 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:08.520 you like have to breathe a certain way. When you're 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:12.000 like sad and you want to feel happy, you force 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:14.200 yourself to smile and hope that it will like then 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:17.160 work its way back into your body. Or like sometimes 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:21.480 if you're doing yoga, the teacher will be like, smile, yeah, 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:23.560 I do think there that is maybe more of what 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:25.680 I was trying to do. Also, when the yoga teachers 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:27.920 like relax your jaw and you actually are like, wait, 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:31.000 I needed to hear that. I know. It's one of 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:34.400 the most depressing things is that like all that yoga 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:38.560 and meditation, all that stuff is like a game changer. Yeah, 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:41.800 but who is the time? No one, not me. Going 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:44.600 to a yoga class can take upwards of three hours 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:47.120 because you have to travel there, you have to do 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:49.480 the yoga that sometimes it's like an hour and a 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:52.240 half and then but then you're this is someone who 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:54.840 literally goes and swims in a pool. To me, that 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:58.880 would take upwards of seven hours the swimming because the 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:00.840 way that the y works. You can only book it 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:03.160 for a half hour, so if you book it, you 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:05.560 have to reserve it because I say something, I'm sorry, 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:10.240 what this like American disease of everything being on a calendar, 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:15.200 Like everyone needs to chill out when I like the idea. 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:17.160 If I were to explain to my face not to 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:19.400 pull this car to my family in Greece that people 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:21.880 are out there booking half hour slots on a pool, 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:26.200 they would be like, that is fascism. Well, the European 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:30.680 jumped out. I mean, I just can't believe that. Well, 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:35.480 it's also it's also a COVID thing. It's also they're 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:37.400 trying to limit how many people are in there at 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:39.760 a certain time. I mean, not to not to be 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:41.760 a fascist, but I kind of love it. I love 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:46.920 booking the slot you've always had fascist tendencies because then 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:50.040 you can like you're committed in a way. Yeah, no, 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:52.560 that's fair, that's fair. I understand it. I guess it 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:54.720 is the only way to make yourself do something is 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:58.160 to pay money to book a slot. Yeah, because if 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:00.720 it's like I'll go in the morning, that will probably 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:04.240 not actually go until like ten thirty am. But if 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:06.320 it's like I booked the nine am slot. I have 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:08.800 to get up early and go yeah, then I'm that 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:11.880 I'm there. Um, here's a question, should be bringing our guest? 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:17.200 I think we absolutely should. I completely agree. Well, without 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:20.800 further ado, Um, I'm trying to think of some sort 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:23.839 of joke. Well, it's funny because we we've already established 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:27.000 the fact that we never say our guest credits when 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.920 we bring them on, because that would be capitalist. So 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:32.840 then it leaves us no choice but to kind of 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:37.360 pause and be really awkward and then just be like, well, 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:44.840 I guess welcome Alex English, Yeah, Alex this, Yeah, hey France. 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:49.160 Alex would probably address something off the batay, and that 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:52.000 is that when we got on this zoom you said 0:09:52.800 --> 0:10:01.680 you said, you said, can you guys hear my foot massager? Yeah? 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:05.840 When and when you and and actually I'm still dealing 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:09.480 with the fact that y'all said yes, which was which 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:13.800 was also basically saying turn it off. Well, that is 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:16.520 an awkward right, It's it's like what if you were like, okay, 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:18.600 just checking, and then you kept it on, and I 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:20.559 just kept it on. I just wanted to know. I 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:26.840 want to draw it here that I have one. It's 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:29.520 funny because there's a story behind this foot massager and 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:34.040 that I went to l A in February and Jordan's Temple, 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:36.960 my good friend, Uh. I went to his house for 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:39.559 dinner and he had one of these, and I did 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:41.560 not have one at the time in my home, and 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:43.839 so he was like, yes, please have a drink. I'll 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:45.960 put you a drink, put your feet in my foot massager, 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:49.000 and have a great evening. And as soon as I 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:52.960 turned it on, I pulled up Amazon and was ordering 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:55.640 the foot massager to be sent to my house by 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:58.040 the time I got back home, and so that I 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:00.760 was literally, yeah, I mean we so like we have 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:04.400 to plug this foot massage right now. I know this 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:08.160 is like yeah, I like the I like kind of 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:10.360 like the concept of like, oh, yes, foot massage our 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:14.920 money listen. It was like, what was it a hundred dollars? 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:16.640 I'm sure I'm sure it was not, but if but 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:19.200 it feels even though I'm sure there are cheap ones, 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:21.720 it feels like such a luxury to have a foot massager. 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:25.000 Is this a foot massager that just massages or is 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:27.559 there kind of a water based element as well where 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:29.720 you can like soak your feet it's just a machine. 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.760 You put your two feet in ages the machine just 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:36.880 kind of just God, I'm already relaxed because I'm imagining 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.559 kind of being in a Sharper Image and trying out 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:42.679 a kind of massage chair. And see that's I think, George, 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:45.760 that's why it is reads as wealthy to you because 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:47.679 I get the same thing. That's like when I was 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:49.760 a child and you'd go into Sharper Image and you'd 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:52.840 be like, this is the future, and you actually, Alex 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:56.080 went out and made that the present. And I think 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:58.360 we have these blocks in our minds like we don't 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:01.240 deserve that yet. We haven't We're not there yet. No, 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:04.760 it really is. I think Sharp Image and Brookstone, which 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:06.960 in my in the mall in New Jersey or I 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:10.439 that I used to frequent were one across from the other. 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.040 You kind of convince yourself, well, this is just for 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:18.840 the store, yeah you No, one never imagined yes, yeah, exactly, 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:24.200 like this is a show room. No no money to 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:28.319 be made whatsoever. But I love actually making this step 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:30.800 of being like I am going to get it. I 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:32.520 mean as soon as you put as soon as I 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:34.120 put my feet in it, I knew what time it 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:38.480 was like it was me. I didn't there was no mulling. 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:42.160 I was like, whatever price it is, I'm paying because 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:48.520 this in my house. God, I love that. Whatever price 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:53.480 it is, I'm paying it. Like I mean, well, you know, hey, 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:57.079 maybe a year ago I would have winced at paying 0:12:57.080 --> 0:13:00.360 two hunds of dollars. For sure. I know that I 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:02.839 noticed that the price is increasing every time you mentioned 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:09.400 I don't know. By the end of the episode, you'll 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:13.959 be like, I mean, yes, it was in the market 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:17.319 of footboers, that's the deal. Well, I should say. Let 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:20.920 me also just say, if I may, may, I say please, 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:23.480 I say that I'm we're we are one zoom and 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:26.120 I can see where we all live and our apartments 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:31.800 are wonderful, a wonderful are wonderful. I will say, I've 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:34.800 been to your home. Sam's home is very nice. Yeah, 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:37.600 and I can see I see big leaf plants. There 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:42.200 is your home. Yeah, it's true, it's true. I do 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:47.160 have one foot massage. I wouldn't be supposed that's fair. 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:50.640 You're absolutely right, absolutely right, Yeah, you're right, you're right. 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:53.840 And Alex, I think that's huge that you said that 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:56.600 to George, because George on this podcast has been going 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:59.240 through a journey of you know, people would call out 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:02.120 his apartment for be undecorated. He called out his apartment 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:04.760 for being undecorated. And so this is a huge step 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:07.719 in the arc that is George, was that painting a 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:11.000 jump for you? So this, it's interestingly enough, this was 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:13.160 so I'll tell you what the jump was. So what 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:16.840 you're seeing is a poster that truly was twenty dollars. 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:21.240 But the jump was getting things framed and being like 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:24.960 I am much like you spent you know, anywhere from 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:27.360 one hundred to five thousand dollars on your foot massager. 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:30.120 I was. I went on frame Bridge and I said, 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:33.640 I have three things I want framed and I'm just 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:36.840 gonna bite the bullet and pay however much framing costs. 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:38.640 And when I had that, I mean, you can't see that, 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:40.120 but there are two other frame things on that one. 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:42.280 There's that one on that wall. When I did that, 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:45.640 it just elevated everything around me hugely. Like I don't 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:48.200 have expensive furniture or anything, but I was like, okay, 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:54.760 I'm I have it feels like a real apartment. Are 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:58.160 you both? Do you do you fancy yourselves? Decorators of 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:03.720 any kind truly. In fact, I would say, hey, you know, 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:08.080 I crave so much to be in a well decorated space. 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:12.040 And I do think, maybe this is slightly narcissistic, but 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:14.760 I do think when I enter someone else's apartment, I 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:17.760 have enough taste to decide whether I think it's good 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:20.880 or bad. But when it comes to actually purchasing things, 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:23.680 my critical faculties just go out the wind. Like I 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:26.280 can't enter a furniture store and imagine what something would 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:29.000 look like, or how I would combine like a couch 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:32.600 with a coffee table. I don't know. It's one of 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:39.440 my one of my gravest flaws, truly, truly, And I 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:41.840 like now that this is like, this is the first 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:44.760 apartment I've ever lived in where it's like, oh, I 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.800 have to buy things, like like, it's not a sub ledge, 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:52.080 this is my place. So I I bought it. I 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:56.080 bought this couch, truly unsure if if it would fit. 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:01.200 Maybe we're gonna take a gamble, and it fits. Now, 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:04.160 could I have sized it up a little differently? Sure? 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:06.720 You know what am I gonna do? Send it back? 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:10.240 I don't are we sending things back? That is that 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:15.680 is That is the biggest question. I think it depends 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:18.760 on the level of corporateness of the place where you 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:21.800 get it from. If it's from Amazon, I'm truly like, yeah, 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:24.240 send it back, actually, just refund me. And I'm even 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:27.080 keep it like and then if it's like the vintage 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:28.840 store down the street, and I'm like, I have to 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:30.960 live with this for the rest of my life. Yeah, 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:34.360 I'll be transparent. Man, this I think. I think the 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:37.400 title I'm not a producer, but it's may I the 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:40.320 same the thing for me because I'm gonna be asking 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:43.480 for a lot of permission. Bought a headboard six six 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:46.920 or seven months ago. Asked me where it is. Oh, yeah, 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:52.960 I know exactly what this is, but my door. Because 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:56.640 I was I was given I was given a new bid. Yeah, 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:58.720 I was given Someone was like, I have this bid. 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.920 I'm moving something had been do you want this bid? 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:04.959 And I was like, yeah, I've never been used, like 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:07.840 just here, this is a new bid, new mattress. So 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:10.480 those are the kind of friends I have. Just that 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:17.639 I bought a headboard prior to receiving the bid, and 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:20.840 now I'm just stuck with this loose headboard. Oh so 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.000 the bed already has a headboard that you have that 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:25.160 you now, Oh, I see, I thought you were saying 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:28.919 that you are have been kind of procrastinating installing it, 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:31.639 but no, in fact, you're not actually using this podcast 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:34.840 to sell this head If anyone needs a headboard, you 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:38.760 guys please reach out if anybody and need the headboard headboard. 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:44.600 I mean it's but I don't back. Yeah, sending things 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:47.840 back close, like when I order something like their pants 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:50.320 and I'm like, oh, I'm not satisfied with this. I 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:54.320 don't feel like sending it. I mean, they do make 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:57.480 it very hard to send things back, Like I actually 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:03.200 going back to T Mobile and I was like this sucks. Yeah. Also, 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:05.119 and I don't know, in New York, you have to 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:08.520 like the lines to to the like FedEx place are insane, 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:10.760 and like you gotta like go to a place you 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:14.600 gotta like, I don't want hours are weird. Do you 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:16.800 know what I always I I always whenever I have 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:19.159 to do an errand like that, I always then become 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:22.800 like somehow an economist and I'm like, well, time is money, 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:26.199 And in fact, it would cost approximately seventy dollars for 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:28.479 me to actually print out the return label and then 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:30.479 walk over to FedEx and then wait in line. So 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:34.520 basically I'm saving money by not returning exactly exactly. And 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:36.840 then I'm just like, well, you know, when it comes 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:39.600 to clothes, I'm like, oh, I'll just give this to someone. 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:42.920 I'll just like, what am I gonna do? I don't 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:45.119 feel like putting it in a bed. I don't want 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:47.280 to go to the to the to the post office. 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:49.560 I don't want to have to talk to a person 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:53.520 at a kiosk and explain, oh, have you put the 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:57.880 wrong label on here? Oh box, bitch. I just want 0:18:57.880 --> 0:18:59.760 to throw this ship in a band and keep it moving. 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:02.560 I don't know if I'm talking to someone at a kiosk, 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:06.240 I better be ordering an I that's and now he 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:08.960 said it, and now he said it. Um. I love. 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:13.520 This conversation is almost it's like teetering on infomercial for 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:17.439 like stamps dot com. And so are we coming up? 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:19.680 Are we going into business together? Here's what I'm saying, 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:22.840 we should help up the business in New York City 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:26.240 where if you if you don't feel you don't want 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:28.840 to return something, you don't feel like, well baby, we've 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:31.600 got We've got just the place for you. Out of 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:35.200 English George Severes and Sam Taggard have opened up a 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:39.000 returns place. You can just bring your bring your couch 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:43.840 that you didn't get you fucked up. Besides, ard, bring 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:47.760 your solce returns to to our to our business. And 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:52.080 that's our business. That's that's the name of the Yeah, 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:55.600 and what's a business. In many ways it is exactly 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:59.080 like good Will, but we're disrupting that market by not 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:02.800 having any charitable element. It's just it's just kind of 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:08.120 a place to put stuff. It's just kinda yeah, yeah, 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:12.440 there's no second hand store element like. It's just it's 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:15.120 a it's a warehouse. We come up with the right, 0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:19.479 this is gonna be a huge No one's taking it, 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:23.040 no one's buying it. It's actually it doesn't feed into 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:25.760 capitalism at all, you know. No, In fact, it's kind 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:27.880 of I would say it's kind of like a landsill. Famously, 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:30.120 one of the things that is good in this world 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:35.880 these days, isn't that's right? Yes, thank you, we're still 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:39.080 and we're saying, well, listen, there are people out there 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:43.639 doing much worse. It's just a cute junkyard. We do. 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:47.560 I do think the junkyard could use a millennial facelift treatment. 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:50.960 You know, it'll be like like it's like junkyard, but 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:57.920 it'll be it'll be spelled junkyard and it's like millennial 0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:02.240 pink and rather than being like kind of gross dirty things, 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:07.399 it's like old West Elm lamps. Yeah, honestly, there is 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:10.040 a magic to walking around the junkyard and looking at 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:14.600 junk and picking out before done it before. My grandmother 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:17.520 used to date like a Sanford and Sun asked nigga 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:20.680 like one time, like it was it was wild, like 0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:25.160 he's Sam and his name was Sam. Sam used to 0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:29.440 bring us like me and his grandson to the junkyard. 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:32.479 He just wouldn't be around for like two hours. So 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:36.320 just two kids walking around a junkyard and just like 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:40.000 looking at piles of stuff in Detroit. And I was 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:43.520 just like, how do you. I couldn't compute this career 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:46.640 of his because he seemingly made money, but I was like, 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:51.680 where is the money? So he ran the junkyard. I 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:56.600 couldn't tell you. He definitely was around the junkyard. He 0:21:56.720 --> 0:22:02.600 was just around the junkyard staple. Yeah, yeah, wow. I 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:05.080 He also took me fishing for the first time, the 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:07.800 only time in my life, and I don't remember getting 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:11.040 the hook the fish hook, like, oh my god, on 0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:15.400 your arm, like stuck on your arm, stuck on me. Yeah, 0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:21.480