Speaker 1: Okay, podcast starts. Now, what's up, everybody. You're listening to
Speaker 1: Stradio Lab the greatest podcast in the world about straight
Speaker 1: culture by two gay guys. So I didn't realize we
Speaker 1: were qualifying it. Okay, Yeah, I guess it is the
Speaker 1: greatest podcast in the world. That is the exact podcast
Speaker 1: that we're doing. Well, I just feel like you have
Speaker 1: to qualify it because you know, before we didn't have
Speaker 1: like all these listeners, and now we have all these listeners,
Speaker 1: and they're a lot of them are lawyers, and they're
Speaker 1: like itching to take action, and it's sort of like
Speaker 1: a hero villain type thing where they're like, one of
Speaker 1: these days, I'm going to get you saying something illegal
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna sue you. Think that are are
Speaker 1: listeners are enjoying the podcast while also looking for reasons
Speaker 1: to sue us. Yeah, well it's it's it's the backlash
Speaker 1: era that we've talked about. But this is how it's
Speaker 1: actually we could have never predicted that it was a
Speaker 1: legal backlash, and the backlash era is still coming. I
Speaker 1: have not I have not like moved past my fear
Speaker 1: of a backlash era. Yeah, I I mean I've actually
Speaker 1: come to peace with the idea of a backlash era,
Speaker 1: where like I fear more, um a slight like an
Speaker 1: indifference era. People are like, yeah, they're fine, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: actually that's a very good point. But the thing with
Speaker 1: here's the thing with an indifference era though, Okay, I
Speaker 1: remember very distinctly at some point this is maybe like
Speaker 1: Chosen fourteen, when when people still had Facebook and Mark
Speaker 1: Zuckerberg was and but then young people were leaving Facebook, right,
Speaker 1: and so then Mark Zuckerberg was like, yeah, well I
Speaker 1: never you know, look at me. I'm not cool, Like
Speaker 1: I it's not like I'm trying to create a cool product.
Speaker 1: I I want to create a product that's like that
Speaker 1: everyone just takes for granted, like they do electricity, which
Speaker 1: already is dark on on its own. But my point
Speaker 1: is it's almost like the indifference is almost the goal.
Speaker 1: You're you're just like a part of the It's like
Speaker 1: no one questions it, like it's like, how do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, I mean, Facebook is a
Speaker 1: bad example because now it's so passe, but like, actually
Speaker 1: that's not true. Facebook is still the largest social network
Speaker 1: and it's yeah, who who Who's on a different like
Speaker 1: what different one has more people. Facebook is like literally
Speaker 1: like a third of the world. Wow, I guess it's
Speaker 1: like but you know what I mean, Like indifference, it's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're in different to something that is just simply part
Speaker 1: of your life. Sure, sure, So the goal for this
Speaker 1: podcast is to become so big, so powerful, so exactly
Speaker 1: everywhere that people just it's an assumption. It's like it's like, um,
Speaker 1: people in the New York Times. It's like when I
Speaker 1: see the New York Times. Yes, I have like my
Speaker 1: own feelings about like what they cover well, what they
Speaker 1: don't cover well. But but when I see it at
Speaker 1: like a coffee shop, I'm not like, you get that
Speaker 1: out of here. I know, I know it's just part
Speaker 1: of our world. Like I don't get overly excited about it,
Speaker 1: and I also don't get overly angry about it. It's
Speaker 1: just they're sure, sure, sure, And so for me, it's
Speaker 1: like the goal is for every America actually everyone globally
Speaker 1: to wake up and press play on our podcast and
Speaker 1: be kind of like okay, sure yeah, And I almost
Speaker 1: want like I want conversations like almost in like small
Speaker 1: talk that you hate, like with your family, Like that's
Speaker 1: where I want us to come up where it's like,
Speaker 1: what's the most base thing we can talk about, And
Speaker 1: it's like, let's talk about that podcast radio lapp that
Speaker 1: is a part of all of our lives and given, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like everyone's confused about what our politics are, so
Speaker 1: no one can disagree about it. Like it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess they said that the election was all vibes.
Speaker 1: They you know, people can kind of like have a
Speaker 1: little debate about that without having to express any concrete views,
Speaker 1: like you know, oh my god, it is. It really
Speaker 1: is very I mean, I guess New York Times a
Speaker 1: little different, but it's almost like you know, sixty minutes sure, sure,
Speaker 1: it's like you know what it is. It's like, um,
Speaker 1: it's like a morning show. I actually think, unfortunately that's
Speaker 1: kind of true. Like I think we're trying to make
Speaker 1: like jokes, but it's like we are kind of a
Speaker 1: morning show, like say more because we're not actually talking
Speaker 1: about anything. This is awful, like we are. I guess
Speaker 1: the only reason it's not a morning show is because
Speaker 1: sometimes we you know, get in fights with our guests
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, but then much like you know, but
Speaker 1: but that happens with morning shows. Too. I mean, remember
Speaker 1: when gayl King interviewed that girl who had the daddy
Speaker 1: cap Oh classic famous, one of my favorite feuds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, but that's kind of more of a performance.
Speaker 1: And then it cuts to Gayale and she's like, well,
Speaker 1: I wish that girl the best. Yeah, well, I guess
Speaker 1: we are a morning show. Have your parents listened to
Speaker 1: more to this podcast? They've listened a few times. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they think it's they they love it. Yeah, well I've
Speaker 1: told my parents are not allowed to. Yeah. The thing
Speaker 1: is like, my parents wouldn't listen if I said because
Speaker 1: I have said they're not allowed to. But like, it's
Speaker 1: not it's not gonna not going to really make a dent.
Speaker 1: Misha's mom really wanted to listen because of being written
Speaker 1: up an NPR, and then she did for I think
Speaker 1: one minute. Yeah it's not. It was like, no, this
Speaker 1: does not work for me. Um, but sort of in
Speaker 1: that mom way where she's like, yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: get what you're doing. So but but maybe this is
Speaker 1: kind of proof positive that we are in fact not
Speaker 1: a morning show and we will never be The New
Speaker 1: York Times. If Misha's mom, who I assume is a
Speaker 1: very sweet, kind of lady from you know, you know,
Speaker 1: probably probably is the type of person to watch a
Speaker 1: morning show. I would imagine, knowing nothing about her yet
Speaker 1: she listened to thirty seconds of our podcast and immediately
Speaker 1: went to register as a live terry. Yeah. No, she
Speaker 1: called me after listening and said, she said, listen to me,
Speaker 1: a little bitch. You will never be the New York
Speaker 1: Times lady Gaga, you will never be famous. Stephanie GERMANAA
Speaker 1: will know that's right, that's right. Yeah. Um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: she's super sweet. Other than that time she called me
Speaker 1: and called me a bit and said everything. There are
Speaker 1: times we can be on the way. We don't have
Speaker 1: to be a morning show now, but I do think
Speaker 1: that's a good goal to set, Like we'll start becoming
Speaker 1: less and less opinionated, more and more bland, until maybe
Speaker 1: three years from now your grandparents can listen to us.
Speaker 1: That would be huge. What do you think? What what
Speaker 1: do you mean? What do I think? Oh? I thought
Speaker 1: you were about to say something. Well, see, I wish
Speaker 1: I was about to say something. I think I was
Speaker 1: trying to make the face that I was about to
Speaker 1: say something so that something would come up. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: that wait, let's pause on that first you were making
Speaker 1: the face of someone about to say something so that
Speaker 1: something would come up. Yeah. It's like it's like how
Speaker 1: when you want to fake cry for acting or whatever,
Speaker 1: you like have to breathe a certain way. When you're
Speaker 1: like sad and you want to feel happy, you force
Speaker 1: yourself to smile and hope that it will like then
Speaker 1: work its way back into your body. Or like sometimes
Speaker 1: if you're doing yoga, the teacher will be like, smile, yeah,
Speaker 1: I do think there that is maybe more of what
Speaker 1: I was trying to do. Also, when the yoga teachers
Speaker 1: like relax your jaw and you actually are like, wait,
Speaker 1: I needed to hear that. I know. It's one of
Speaker 1: the most depressing things is that like all that yoga
Speaker 1: and meditation, all that stuff is like a game changer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but who is the time? No one, not me. Going
Speaker 1: to a yoga class can take upwards of three hours
Speaker 1: because you have to travel there, you have to do
Speaker 1: the yoga that sometimes it's like an hour and a
Speaker 1: half and then but then you're this is someone who
Speaker 1: literally goes and swims in a pool. To me, that
Speaker 1: would take upwards of seven hours the swimming because the
Speaker 1: way that the y works. You can only book it
Speaker 1: for a half hour, so if you book it, you
Speaker 1: have to reserve it because I say something, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: what this like American disease of everything being on a calendar,
Speaker 1: Like everyone needs to chill out when I like the idea.
Speaker 1: If I were to explain to my face not to
Speaker 1: pull this car to my family in Greece that people
Speaker 1: are out there booking half hour slots on a pool,
Speaker 1: they would be like, that is fascism. Well, the European
Speaker 1: jumped out. I mean, I just can't believe that. Well,
Speaker 1: it's also it's also a COVID thing. It's also they're
Speaker 1: trying to limit how many people are in there at
Speaker 1: a certain time. I mean, not to not to be
Speaker 1: a fascist, but I kind of love it. I love
Speaker 1: booking the slot you've always had fascist tendencies because then
Speaker 1: you can like you're committed in a way. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's fair, that's fair. I understand it. I guess it
Speaker 1: is the only way to make yourself do something is
Speaker 1: to pay money to book a slot. Yeah, because if
Speaker 1: it's like I'll go in the morning, that will probably
Speaker 1: not actually go until like ten thirty am. But if
Speaker 1: it's like I booked the nine am slot. I have
Speaker 1: to get up early and go yeah, then I'm that
Speaker 1: I'm there. Um, here's a question, should be bringing our guest?
Speaker 1: I think we absolutely should. I completely agree. Well, without
Speaker 1: further ado, Um, I'm trying to think of some sort
Speaker 1: of joke. Well, it's funny because we we've already established
Speaker 1: the fact that we never say our guest credits when
Speaker 1: we bring them on, because that would be capitalist. So
Speaker 1: then it leaves us no choice but to kind of
Speaker 1: pause and be really awkward and then just be like, well,
Speaker 1: I guess welcome Alex English, Yeah, Alex this, Yeah, hey France.
Speaker 1: Alex would probably address something off the batay, and that
Speaker 1: is that when we got on this zoom you said
Speaker 1: you said, you said, can you guys hear my foot massager? Yeah?
Speaker 1: When and when you and and actually I'm still dealing
Speaker 1: with the fact that y'all said yes, which was which
Speaker 1: was also basically saying turn it off. Well, that is
Speaker 1: an awkward right, It's it's like what if you were like, okay,
Speaker 1: just checking, and then you kept it on, and I
Speaker 1: just kept it on. I just wanted to know. I
Speaker 1: want to draw it here that I have one. It's
Speaker 1: funny because there's a story behind this foot massager and
Speaker 1: that I went to l A in February and Jordan's Temple,
Speaker 1: my good friend, Uh. I went to his house for
Speaker 1: dinner and he had one of these, and I did
Speaker 1: not have one at the time in my home, and
Speaker 1: so he was like, yes, please have a drink. I'll
Speaker 1: put you a drink, put your feet in my foot massager,
Speaker 1: and have a great evening. And as soon as I
Speaker 1: turned it on, I pulled up Amazon and was ordering
Speaker 1: the foot massager to be sent to my house by
Speaker 1: the time I got back home, and so that I
Speaker 1: was literally, yeah, I mean we so like we have
Speaker 1: to plug this foot massage right now. I know this
Speaker 1: is like yeah, I like the I like kind of
Speaker 1: like the concept of like, oh, yes, foot massage our
Speaker 1: money listen. It was like, what was it a hundred dollars?
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm sure it was not, but if but
Speaker 1: it feels even though I'm sure there are cheap ones,
Speaker 1: it feels like such a luxury to have a foot massager.
Speaker 1: Is this a foot massager that just massages or is
Speaker 1: there kind of a water based element as well where
Speaker 1: you can like soak your feet it's just a machine.
Speaker 1: You put your two feet in ages the machine just
Speaker 1: kind of just God, I'm already relaxed because I'm imagining
Speaker 1: kind of being in a Sharper Image and trying out
Speaker 1: a kind of massage chair. And see that's I think, George,
Speaker 1: that's why it is reads as wealthy to you because
Speaker 1: I get the same thing. That's like when I was
Speaker 1: a child and you'd go into Sharper Image and you'd
Speaker 1: be like, this is the future, and you actually, Alex
Speaker 1: went out and made that the present. And I think
Speaker 1: we have these blocks in our minds like we don't
Speaker 1: deserve that yet. We haven't We're not there yet. No,
Speaker 1: it really is. I think Sharp Image and Brookstone, which
Speaker 1: in my in the mall in New Jersey or I
Speaker 1: that I used to frequent were one across from the other.
Speaker 1: You kind of convince yourself, well, this is just for
Speaker 1: the store, yeah you No, one never imagined yes, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: like this is a show room. No no money to
Speaker 1: be made whatsoever. But I love actually making this step
Speaker 1: of being like I am going to get it. I
Speaker 1: mean as soon as you put as soon as I
Speaker 1: put my feet in it, I knew what time it
Speaker 1: was like it was me. I didn't there was no mulling.
Speaker 1: I was like, whatever price it is, I'm paying because
Speaker 1: this in my house. God, I love that. Whatever price
Speaker 1: it is, I'm paying it. Like I mean, well, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: maybe a year ago I would have winced at paying
Speaker 1: two hunds of dollars. For sure. I know that I
Speaker 1: noticed that the price is increasing every time you mentioned
Speaker 1: I don't know. By the end of the episode, you'll
Speaker 1: be like, I mean, yes, it was in the market
Speaker 1: of footboers, that's the deal. Well, I should say. Let
Speaker 1: me also just say, if I may, may, I say please,
Speaker 1: I say that I'm we're we are one zoom and
Speaker 1: I can see where we all live and our apartments
Speaker 1: are wonderful, a wonderful are wonderful. I will say, I've
Speaker 1: been to your home. Sam's home is very nice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I can see I see big leaf plants. There
Speaker 1: is your home. Yeah, it's true, it's true. I do
Speaker 1: have one foot massage. I wouldn't be supposed that's fair.
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, absolutely right, Yeah, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 1: And Alex, I think that's huge that you said that
Speaker 1: to George, because George on this podcast has been going
Speaker 1: through a journey of you know, people would call out
Speaker 1: his apartment for be undecorated. He called out his apartment
Speaker 1: for being undecorated. And so this is a huge step
Speaker 1: in the arc that is George, was that painting a
Speaker 1: jump for you? So this, it's interestingly enough, this was
Speaker 1: so I'll tell you what the jump was. So what
Speaker 1: you're seeing is a poster that truly was twenty dollars.
Speaker 1: But the jump was getting things framed and being like
Speaker 1: I am much like you spent you know, anywhere from
Speaker 1: one hundred to five thousand dollars on your foot massager.
Speaker 1: I was. I went on frame Bridge and I said,
Speaker 1: I have three things I want framed and I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna bite the bullet and pay however much framing costs.
Speaker 1: And when I had that, I mean, you can't see that,
Speaker 1: but there are two other frame things on that one.
Speaker 1: There's that one on that wall. When I did that,
Speaker 1: it just elevated everything around me hugely. Like I don't
Speaker 1: have expensive furniture or anything, but I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm I have it feels like a real apartment. Are
Speaker 1: you both? Do you do you fancy yourselves? Decorators of
Speaker 1: any kind truly. In fact, I would say, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: I crave so much to be in a well decorated space.
Speaker 1: And I do think, maybe this is slightly narcissistic, but
Speaker 1: I do think when I enter someone else's apartment, I
Speaker 1: have enough taste to decide whether I think it's good
Speaker 1: or bad. But when it comes to actually purchasing things,
Speaker 1: my critical faculties just go out the wind. Like I
Speaker 1: can't enter a furniture store and imagine what something would
Speaker 1: look like, or how I would combine like a couch
Speaker 1: with a coffee table. I don't know. It's one of
Speaker 1: my one of my gravest flaws, truly, truly, And I
Speaker 1: like now that this is like, this is the first
Speaker 1: apartment I've ever lived in where it's like, oh, I
Speaker 1: have to buy things, like like, it's not a sub ledge,
Speaker 1: this is my place. So I I bought it. I
Speaker 1: bought this couch, truly unsure if if it would fit.
Speaker 1: Maybe we're gonna take a gamble, and it fits. Now,
Speaker 1: could I have sized it up a little differently? Sure?
Speaker 1: You know what am I gonna do? Send it back?
Speaker 1: I don't are we sending things back? That is that
Speaker 1: is That is the biggest question. I think it depends
Speaker 1: on the level of corporateness of the place where you
Speaker 1: get it from. If it's from Amazon, I'm truly like, yeah,
Speaker 1: send it back, actually, just refund me. And I'm even
Speaker 1: keep it like and then if it's like the vintage
Speaker 1: store down the street, and I'm like, I have to
Speaker 1: live with this for the rest of my life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll be transparent. Man, this I think. I think the
Speaker 1: title I'm not a producer, but it's may I the
Speaker 1: same the thing for me because I'm gonna be asking
Speaker 1: for a lot of permission. Bought a headboard six six
Speaker 1: or seven months ago. Asked me where it is. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know exactly what this is, but my door. Because
Speaker 1: I was I was given I was given a new bid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was given Someone was like, I have this bid.
Speaker 1: I'm moving something had been do you want this bid?
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, I've never been used, like
Speaker 1: just here, this is a new bid, new mattress. So
Speaker 1: those are the kind of friends I have. Just that
Speaker 1: I bought a headboard prior to receiving the bid, and
Speaker 1: now I'm just stuck with this loose headboard. Oh so
Speaker 1: the bed already has a headboard that you have that
Speaker 1: you now, Oh, I see, I thought you were saying
Speaker 1: that you are have been kind of procrastinating installing it,
Speaker 1: but no, in fact, you're not actually using this podcast
Speaker 1: to sell this head If anyone needs a headboard, you
Speaker 1: guys please reach out if anybody and need the headboard headboard.
Speaker 1: I mean it's but I don't back. Yeah, sending things
Speaker 1: back close, like when I order something like their pants
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, I'm not satisfied with this. I
Speaker 1: don't feel like sending it. I mean, they do make
Speaker 1: it very hard to send things back, Like I actually
Speaker 1: going back to T Mobile and I was like this sucks. Yeah. Also,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, in New York, you have to
Speaker 1: like the lines to to the like FedEx place are insane,
Speaker 1: and like you gotta like go to a place you
Speaker 1: gotta like, I don't want hours are weird. Do you
Speaker 1: know what I always I I always whenever I have
Speaker 1: to do an errand like that, I always then become
Speaker 1: like somehow an economist and I'm like, well, time is money,
Speaker 1: And in fact, it would cost approximately seventy dollars for
Speaker 1: me to actually print out the return label and then
Speaker 1: walk over to FedEx and then wait in line. So
Speaker 1: basically I'm saving money by not returning exactly exactly. And
Speaker 1: then I'm just like, well, you know, when it comes
Speaker 1: to clothes, I'm like, oh, I'll just give this to someone.
Speaker 1: I'll just like, what am I gonna do? I don't
Speaker 1: feel like putting it in a bed. I don't want
Speaker 1: to go to the to the to the post office.
Speaker 1: I don't want to have to talk to a person
Speaker 1: at a kiosk and explain, oh, have you put the
Speaker 1: wrong label on here? Oh box, bitch. I just want
Speaker 1: to throw this ship in a band and keep it moving.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm talking to someone at a kiosk,
Speaker 1: I better be ordering an I that's and now he
Speaker 1: said it, and now he said it. Um. I love.
Speaker 1: This conversation is almost it's like teetering on infomercial for
Speaker 1: like stamps dot com. And so are we coming up?
Speaker 1: Are we going into business together? Here's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: we should help up the business in New York City
Speaker 1: where if you if you don't feel you don't want
Speaker 1: to return something, you don't feel like, well baby, we've
Speaker 1: got We've got just the place for you. Out of
Speaker 1: English George Severes and Sam Taggard have opened up a
Speaker 1: returns place. You can just bring your bring your couch
Speaker 1: that you didn't get you fucked up. Besides, ard, bring
Speaker 1: your solce returns to to our to our business. And
Speaker 1: that's our business. That's that's the name of the Yeah,
Speaker 1: and what's a business. In many ways it is exactly
Speaker 1: like good Will, but we're disrupting that market by not
Speaker 1: having any charitable element. It's just it's just kind of
Speaker 1: a place to put stuff. It's just kinda yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no second hand store element like. It's just it's
Speaker 1: a it's a warehouse. We come up with the right,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a huge No one's taking it,
Speaker 1: no one's buying it. It's actually it doesn't feed into
Speaker 1: capitalism at all, you know. No, In fact, it's kind
Speaker 1: of I would say it's kind of like a landsill. Famously,
Speaker 1: one of the things that is good in this world
Speaker 1: these days, isn't that's right? Yes, thank you, we're still
Speaker 1: and we're saying, well, listen, there are people out there
Speaker 1: doing much worse. It's just a cute junkyard. We do.
Speaker 1: I do think the junkyard could use a millennial facelift treatment.
Speaker 1: You know, it'll be like like it's like junkyard, but
Speaker 1: it'll be it'll be spelled junkyard and it's like millennial
Speaker 1: pink and rather than being like kind of gross dirty things,
Speaker 1: it's like old West Elm lamps. Yeah, honestly, there is
Speaker 1: a magic to walking around the junkyard and looking at
Speaker 1: junk and picking out before done it before. My grandmother
Speaker 1: used to date like a Sanford and Sun asked nigga
Speaker 1: like one time, like it was it was wild, like
Speaker 1: he's Sam and his name was Sam. Sam used to
Speaker 1: bring us like me and his grandson to the junkyard.
Speaker 1: He just wouldn't be around for like two hours. So
Speaker 1: just two kids walking around a junkyard and just like
Speaker 1: looking at piles of stuff in Detroit. And I was
Speaker 1: just like, how do you. I couldn't compute this career
Speaker 1: of his because he seemingly made money, but I was like,
Speaker 1: where is the money? So he ran the junkyard. I
Speaker 1: couldn't tell you. He definitely was around the junkyard. He
Speaker 1: was just around the junkyard staple. Yeah, yeah, wow. I
Speaker 1: He also took me fishing for the first time, the
Speaker 1: only time in my life, and I don't remember getting
Speaker 1: the hook the fish hook, like, oh my god, on
Speaker 1: your arm, like stuck on your arm, stuck on me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, that's crazy. What's crazy. Fond memories I have too,
Speaker 1: extremely similar, Like my grandpa was obsessed with the dump
Speaker 1: and he would go to the dump and get stuff.
Speaker 1: And then also one time when I was learning how
Speaker 1: to fish as a little boy, I got the hook
Speaker 1: stuck in my head because you like throw it like
Speaker 1: I'm trying to throw it, and it got like stuck
Speaker 1: in my head. I said, I am baked Tenny. Incredible
Speaker 1: having like family members who are like my grandmother has
Speaker 1: a brother and in the family it's always like, well
Speaker 1: he had so much potential but never you know, it
Speaker 1: didn't do anything with his life, blah blah. But then
Speaker 1: in my mind when I was young, so he still
Speaker 1: lives in the village. My grandmother grew up in Greece
Speaker 1: with various other family members. There's like chickens there and
Speaker 1: he like rides a motorcycle whatever, and he let me
Speaker 1: ride his motorcycle when I was truly eleven years old,
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is the coolest thing that
Speaker 1: has ever happened. To me, and this was very much
Speaker 1: not a nice motorcycle or a safe one for anyone
Speaker 1: to be on, even as a passenger. But and then
Speaker 1: the other and then speaking of junk yards, I remember
Speaker 1: when I was there because this was like truly like
Speaker 1: what you would imagine a Greek you know, small town
Speaker 1: would be like there was an old car that rather
Speaker 1: than taking it anywhere, it just was on the premises
Speaker 1: and so like plants had started like sprouting out of it.
Speaker 1: And even at that time, I remember being like, that's
Speaker 1: so artistic. Yeah, yeah, it's that's very music video background exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had a motorcycle as well with my uncle. Me
Speaker 1: and my mom used to send trips to Buffalo up
Speaker 1: state from Detroit. We would drive through Canada to go
Speaker 1: visit my uncle huge motorcycle. He was a part of
Speaker 1: a black motorcycle gang, probably the only one right so
Speaker 1: he uh he. For a summer I think it was
Speaker 1: the summer between sixth and seventh grade, I had my
Speaker 1: I guess my mother was like, look, I'm single, I'm
Speaker 1: a I'm a woman, and you have to get out
Speaker 1: of my house for the summer. Stay which uncle? She
Speaker 1: drove me think when I look back at that. I
Speaker 1: must have been horrible because like that's an eight hour
Speaker 1: drive to and from and she like the Buffalo, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna drive back to Detroit and You're gonna be
Speaker 1: in Buffalo for two months. This is your boyhood, your
Speaker 1: manhood summer. So my uncle was basically like, who was
Speaker 1: a motorcycle? I drove? I wrote on my first motorcycle
Speaker 1: in the middle school with him, I was like, this
Speaker 1: is the coolest ship ever. And I'm also learning how
Speaker 1: to be a man. I thought being a man was
Speaker 1: riding a motorcycle. Main had motorcycles. I mean, in many
Speaker 1: ways it is. It was iconic. That was the greatest
Speaker 1: summer of my life. You had fun with that? I
Speaker 1: mean to be in a third Seenior wrote in Buffalo,
Speaker 1: New York, you think this is the coolest team. I mean,
Speaker 1: definitely shout out to your mom. I love being like, no,
Speaker 1: this summer is all about me. I mean my parents
Speaker 1: did that. I mean, not not that they it's not,
Speaker 1: but I just feel like, um, I just feel like
Speaker 1: family was always like everyone's kids or everyone's kids, Like
Speaker 1: it was never like you know, there would be like
Speaker 1: a revolving door of like aunts and uncle's coming over
Speaker 1: me going to my grandparents, not knowing when I'd be leaving,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, all the time, like you would just get
Speaker 1: dropped off. And like because my mom was like a
Speaker 1: big My mom was a big party er black when
Speaker 1: I was interesting. When she's our thirty, she would go
Speaker 1: out with her girlfriends because she wanted a man. You know,
Speaker 1: she would to get me. She's trying to find her man.
Speaker 1: So I remember being on Friday's Fridays. It was Granny's house.
Speaker 1: You gotta go to how some Friday and then my
Speaker 1: mom will come back at like on a morning, come
Speaker 1: pick me up. I'm sleep. But I always knew because
Speaker 1: my mom always will come back with a picture from
Speaker 1: the club nice like suit like a like a suit
Speaker 1: and skirt like like a little hook. They remember the
Speaker 1: club background behind her. So mommy had a good time tonight,
Speaker 1: and she would leave the picture at Granny's house, so
Speaker 1: on the fireplace. There's just a line in her life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she wanted everyone to know it. And like I remember
Speaker 1: being like going to Buffalo like my uncle seeing it's
Speaker 1: really weird seeing like relatives like uncle, how they live
Speaker 1: when you don't like full time because you don't see
Speaker 1: them in spurts, you know what I mean, Like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is how they present to me for eight hours
Speaker 1: at a at a pick or at a reunion or
Speaker 1: just a visit. But you when you get to live
Speaker 1: with other relatives, it really pulled was the curtain back
Speaker 1: on the whelm because my uncle had sickle sale, so
Speaker 1: he would have moments, he would have flare ups and
Speaker 1: like like little episodes and stuff like that. So learning
Speaker 1: how my uncle lived his life and navigated through that
Speaker 1: was just he was such an elusive figure to me
Speaker 1: because when I got to his place, I learned, oh,
Speaker 1: uncle Derek has two girlfriends. How girl friends, and these
Speaker 1: girlfriends are very utility to the way his life is
Speaker 1: based on the day. So when he was living well
Speaker 1: and vibrant and breathing and happy, that was when Kelly
Speaker 1: was around. Kelly was around. Kelly was the cute, hot girl,
Speaker 1: short long hair, pretty, go to the motorcycle club with him, social,
Speaker 1: all the friends up with her, like it was Kelly's time.
Speaker 1: But when he got sick, here comes Valencia and yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the caretaker. And I don't have to tell you
Speaker 1: what the look how this is. This is fascinating within
Speaker 1: each one of us. There is a Kelly end of Valencia,
Speaker 1: Kelly and Valencia. Valencia was taking care of business. I
Speaker 1: would imagine Kelly just wasn't. I think at some point
Speaker 1: my uncle understood his relationship with her, was like this
Speaker 1: is for show. Wow, we just came, brought her kids, like,
Speaker 1: got the bed together, fixed the meals. Valency. I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: this is fascinating how my uncle lives. Did they know
Speaker 1: about each other? Yes, progressive, Wow, I would say, kind
Speaker 1: of polyamorous icon your uncle. Wow. Well I just thought, oh,
Speaker 1: this is how people live, like multiple partners. Well it's
Speaker 1: but but that's like you kind of realized as you
Speaker 1: get older that what you consider to be the default
Speaker 1: state of things like one husband, one wife and kids
Speaker 1: is so rare simply if you add it all up,
Speaker 1: probably the minority if you include like divorce and single
Speaker 1: parents and gay people, like it's it's simply thought single parents.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this can this can happen. It's
Speaker 1: me and my mom. But then she got married and
Speaker 1: I was like, what the fund is this about? We
Speaker 1: were doing good girl. That's the thing like being raised
Speaker 1: in a single parent home. People love to make it
Speaker 1: seem like it's so bad, but like I had a
Speaker 1: blessed like just me and mom. Mom was my that
Speaker 1: was my good girlfriend. You know, that was well, I
Speaker 1: would imagine. I mean, the fewer people there are, the
Speaker 1: fewer opportunities for disagreements and drama there are. Like when
Speaker 1: I think about my family's five people, at any given point,
Speaker 1: someone's in a fight, just statistically, Like we one time
Speaker 1: took one family trip where we still talked about it
Speaker 1: to this day. No one got into a fight, and
Speaker 1: we were like, wasn't that incredible? Like it's truly one
Speaker 1: trip in like thirty years of being a family. Just
Speaker 1: like single parents, whod is just like your kid is
Speaker 1: your roommate, you know what I mean? And it's just me.
Speaker 1: I'm an only child, so me and my mom are
Speaker 1: bickering like sisters, you know what I mean. Like it's
Speaker 1: just like, girl, get go to your room, but we
Speaker 1: don't tell me, like you know, just kind of back
Speaker 1: in front of Yeah, honestly, I believe that this is
Speaker 1: gonna sound. But truly I think like living with a
Speaker 1: woman by myself for fifteen for about fourteen years, I
Speaker 1: know where this was going truly made me Yeah, like
Speaker 1: wait a minute, this is what women. This is women,
Speaker 1: this is what Oh my god, advantage advantage, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: homosexuality via sexism or just story. I was like, oh no.
Speaker 1: The first time I saw panty soaking in the sink,
Speaker 1: I was like, I know, no, girl, we're sucking men
Speaker 1: because I can't about to deal with this. I gotta
Speaker 1: deal with this. Yeah, men are much less gross. Yeah
Speaker 1: they don't soak or clothes well the evil you know.
Speaker 1: You know, I think feel like I'm educated in women
Speaker 1: so much that like so sympathetic to women's issues, you know,
Speaker 1: because I know what time it is, like truly knew
Speaker 1: what a period was from a very young age, you know,
Speaker 1: whereas men still to this day have no clue what's
Speaker 1: going on. You know, I feel that same the same
Speaker 1: way growing up with only sisters. Guys who have only
Speaker 1: sisters and usually are you the baby, George, I'm the oldest.
Speaker 1: You're the oldest, so I know what you're saying. Though
Speaker 1: it's like being kind of rared by multiple women of
Speaker 1: course will make you gay. Um. And do you have siblings.
Speaker 1: I'm an older sister and a younger brother. You see,
Speaker 1: That's why I funk with you all. And as I've
Speaker 1: always like gays have brothers. That's when it's a problem.
Speaker 1: It is like it is something that I can't imagine.
Speaker 1: They're wired a little differently. Yeah, the brown bitness to
Speaker 1: gaze with sisters. Yeah, well gays, especially older brothers, to
Speaker 1: have an older brother and to have that be your
Speaker 1: an older straight brother and have that be your role model.
Speaker 1: Like that's almost like, yeah, it sucks you up more
Speaker 1: than having a dad. Yeah. And it's also like that
Speaker 1: thing like the phen I love it. I love it
Speaker 1: when I meet a gay man that also has gay
Speaker 1: has like a gay brother like that has like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're all gay and his boyfriend has two gay brothers. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm like dynamic because it's like damn, so you've
Speaker 1: just been having to compete with bitches your whole life.
Speaker 1: All right. That's another thing, Like if I had a
Speaker 1: gay brother and he was like hotter than me, I'd
Speaker 1: be like, well I might as well be straight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Misha's brothers are all different styles of gay, so it
Speaker 1: kind of works. Yeah, Okay, we should do our first
Speaker 1: need to do our first segment. Okay, we actually I
Speaker 1: kind of love that. Um normally we do it earlier
Speaker 1: and I never know. This feels like such a throwback
Speaker 1: to exactly like in our early episodes, we would actually
Speaker 1: get to talking and not care about the segments, and
Speaker 1: it's so nice to it's refreshing today. It's it's really
Speaker 1: be free once again. Yeah, it really that we've created. So, Alex,
Speaker 1: our first segment is called straight Shooters, and in this segment,
Speaker 1: we asked you a series of completely nonsensical, rapid fire
Speaker 1: questions about straight or well making related to straight culture,
Speaker 1: and you have to basically choose one thing or another
Speaker 1: thing is there is no logic to it, and you
Speaker 1: can't ask any follow up questions. Okay, So Alex, God
Speaker 1: save the Queen, or man I feel like a woman?
Speaker 1: Man I feel like a woman. Okay. Alex getting ratioed
Speaker 1: or getting Felacio, getting Felicio, Alex getting adult braces or
Speaker 1: Lana del rays off to the races, uh getting getting okay,
Speaker 1: being kinky or being one of those brothers that said
Speaker 1: da vinky. Okay, Alex driving a sob or ordering linguini
Speaker 1: with broccoli rob as delicious as that is, blocking a sob.
Speaker 1: I had a stop. That was my first car, That
Speaker 1: was my dad's first car. Was a hot red sob
Speaker 1: that's kind of cool. Yeah, um okay, an epic clap
Speaker 1: back or a gruesome bear attack, really playing it fast
Speaker 1: and lives with those rymes. Hey, you know, some people
Speaker 1: gotta you know, reinvent the form a little bit of
Speaker 1: plant those Alex. This one is three things the Toronto
Speaker 1: Film Festival, the Montreal Just for Last Festival, or the
Speaker 1: Ottawa anti mask protests. What was the first one to
Speaker 1: the on a film festival? Film? There you go? Okay?
Speaker 1: This is also three Sunglass Hut, Pizza Hut or Job
Speaker 1: of the Hut. Damn, this is a rough one. Uh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with uh Sunglass even though they tried.
Speaker 1: I tried to work there in high school and they
Speaker 1: told me no. But yeah, that's like a classic place
Speaker 1: you work in high schools. To those high school jobs
Speaker 1: when they reject you, it's really like such a burn
Speaker 1: in your memory thing like desperately when I was on
Speaker 1: my Comma but now look at Yeah, like I wanted
Speaker 1: to work at Target and it's like I didn't get
Speaker 1: a job at Target, and it's like, yeah, well now
Speaker 1: I'm not going to and you could have had me,
Speaker 1: and now you're never gonna have a Target. I worked
Speaker 1: at Kroger for two years. I was a bad so
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a bad boy. But this is
Speaker 1: how they told me I was gay. I was like, no,
Speaker 1: we want to be a cashier, oh, bagging groceries for
Speaker 1: the straight boys such like uh, like I always wanted
Speaker 1: to be like an ice cream scooper, Like I feel
Speaker 1: like Target and being and like those are such kind
Speaker 1: of corporate corporate dreams. I knew I wanted to do
Speaker 1: something artistic. Know, they told me you did your personality,
Speaker 1: you have to take money. You have to take money,
Speaker 1: you have to talk to the customers, bagging bagging groceries
Speaker 1: for the boys that play football, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like my my community had very different ways of telling me, No,
Speaker 1: you're not like the straight boys. Well there is something
Speaker 1: about how people perceive gayness where they're like they basically
Speaker 1: just mistaken for like intelligence, so they're like, oh, you
Speaker 1: must be what good with spreadsheets? Like lecting money is
Speaker 1: where is what we think you should I think I
Speaker 1: did crave the like cruelty of like corporate America as
Speaker 1: a high school want to work at Target to me, like,
Speaker 1: I I really remember ice cream Scooper was like the
Speaker 1: number one thing. It was the heyday of cold Stone,
Speaker 1: and you wanted to sing it. So you want to
Speaker 1: let that little voice out, you want to make that
Speaker 1: voice shine. But it was not It was more than
Speaker 1: like seeing how they would like mix in all the
Speaker 1: topics or whatever. I was like, wow, this is like, no,
Speaker 1: it's it's our it's cooked with it's it's exactly it's
Speaker 1: a performance performance of it. I mean truly Coastal is
Speaker 1: truly at one point was truly like the Bennie Hannah, Yes,
Speaker 1: Bennie Hanna of ice cream where I'm I'm doing I'm
Speaker 1: using both hands, I'm practically feeding it. T It was
Speaker 1: also one of the first kind of gimmicks I remember,
Speaker 1: like and and Benni Hanna is another one, like the
Speaker 1: the idea that oh this is not like other restaurants
Speaker 1: they cook in front of you. And I was really
Speaker 1: into that, Like when I first like something that has
Speaker 1: a twist to it, the gimmick for Coldstone really really worked.
Speaker 1: It was like it felt so new, and it felt
Speaker 1: so no one's thought of doing ice cream like this,
Speaker 1: and like it's perfect, of course, this is how we
Speaker 1: should do it, or like when they first when when
Speaker 1: you first came out, and they would have the thing
Speaker 1: where you do it yourself and then they weigh it.
Speaker 1: That also, I was like, oh I love that. Wait, okay,
Speaker 1: cold stone is the future of ice cream the dipping
Speaker 1: dots promised. Okay, okay, dipping dots never did it for me.
Speaker 1: I was like, you people are insane either, George, because
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is this cold snap pepping into my mouth?
Speaker 1: And I just want to eat, bitch, I don't want to, like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to deal with what is this shocking?
Speaker 1: First of all, I met an amusement park. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: at an amusement park. I never really see you don't
Speaker 1: really see dipping dots in the wild like this when
Speaker 1: you when you would catch it at like a mall,
Speaker 1: you'd be like, bitch, what are you doing here? You're
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to be here, you know, dipping dots
Speaker 1: in the why outside of where it usually is contained? Unnecessary? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you know, I'll just say this about gimmicks, like
Speaker 1: everyone now, you know all every everyone we know, thanks
Speaker 1: are so sophisticated going to restaurants and someone comes to
Speaker 1: the table and they're like, so let me tell you
Speaker 1: how this works. That the concept of let me tell
Speaker 1: you how this works comes from cold Stone, and it
Speaker 1: comes from many Hannah, Like, you know your history and
Speaker 1: know that the fact that you think you're doing something sophisticated,
Speaker 1: you are doing cold Stone and many Hanna. You need
Speaker 1: to respect your your history and your restaurant Elders. He literally, Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't think you're better because because oh the way
Speaker 1: it works is you get too small plates and three
Speaker 1: medium plates. It's like, Honey, you think you're doing Nikki,
Speaker 1: you think you're doing what you're actually think you're doing Cardi,
Speaker 1: but you're actually doing little exactly. Okay, Wow, we need
Speaker 1: to introduce our topic. Yes, so Alex, please um tell
Speaker 1: us what you've brought for us today. So in the
Speaker 1: spirit of what I believe, like my family were talking,
Speaker 1: we were kind of talking about my family background, and
Speaker 1: y'all asked me to come up with a type of God.
Speaker 1: Was like, this is very much straight to me, ironing,
Speaker 1: so active ironing ironing. How and George, when you mentioned
Speaker 1: this before we started recording, and said, you know, this
Speaker 1: is an interesting one because some people might perceive that
Speaker 1: I was gay, but I do actually agree with Alex,
Speaker 1: but I actually agree to Yeah, Like there's a certain
Speaker 1: this is I feel like a punch line that was
Speaker 1: probably like some episode of like a sitcom in like
Speaker 1: it's like someone it's like he's so gay, he irons
Speaker 1: his genes like that. I feel like that was like
Speaker 1: a thing that people used to say, but tell us
Speaker 1: why ironing is straight? Well, just growing up my family,
Speaker 1: which consists of hello, many straight people. Uh, to not
Speaker 1: have your closed pressed, to not have to to have
Speaker 1: creases in your to not have creases in your pants
Speaker 1: and your jeans was really frowned upon on and I
Speaker 1: could never really understand why, and to the point where
Speaker 1: like I have relatives still to this day who iron
Speaker 1: not only clothes, but like curtains and like in bedding.
Speaker 1: I was like, why do I need to iron my sheets?
Speaker 1: But I have family members to this day that's still
Speaker 1: do that, And like I'm gonna, I'm may I be
Speaker 1: transparent right now in my home and I'm looking at
Speaker 1: both of them. There are two irons in my in
Speaker 1: my house. I brought there, and not only the reason
Speaker 1: why there are two cold and I know the viewers
Speaker 1: that the listeners won't be able to see this, but
Speaker 1: I'm not bullshit, okay, And so one of them, one
Speaker 1: of them is pink, and what color is the other one?
Speaker 1: They're both pinks, are just from the same family dialet.
Speaker 1: And you can see the difference and a couple of
Speaker 1: mistakes with this one. Right, you have two irons? Do
Speaker 1: you do you carry this? Do you still like uphold
Speaker 1: this tradition? Remember trauma, I obviously attached to trauma. You know,
Speaker 1: my family has scarred me into believing that I should.
Speaker 1: Actually so one of them is broken, one of them
Speaker 1: stopped working. So that is why, in fact why and
Speaker 1: I just didn't throw away the us. So I I
Speaker 1: feel like, yes, it is big, the pressure two present.
Speaker 1: In a way, ironing has always been like look your best, yeah,
Speaker 1: so up for the world, regardless of how you feel.
Speaker 1: And it's a very straight thing because I feel like
Speaker 1: in queer culture, especially especially in New York City, everywhere
Speaker 1: I go, no one gives a shit about ironing are wrinkled.
Speaker 1: And in fact, I would dare say that it's considered cute. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's term to well, it's it's an honesty. People people
Speaker 1: feel that they're being honest. I feel I think, um,
Speaker 1: I think what it is is in in straight. In
Speaker 1: the straight world, there is one very clearly defined way
Speaker 1: of quote looking nice, Like if you're gonna look nice,
Speaker 1: that means that you are going to have creases. Whereas
Speaker 1: if you liberate yourself from that, you can in fact
Speaker 1: find a variety of ways to look nice. There's like
Speaker 1: nice and you look trendy. There's nice and you look
Speaker 1: like fashion forward. There's nice and you look you know,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what clothes you wear, but you're you know,
Speaker 1: have a cool haircut. Here I say, rolled out of bed,
Speaker 1: didn't look and this is how I'm showing you, Like,
Speaker 1: this is I slept in these clothes. Yeah. But basically
Speaker 1: straight life depends on a difference between casual and formal.
Speaker 1: That's kind of like what crops up the entire It's like,
Speaker 1: that's what religion is, that's what business is. It's like
Speaker 1: you have to divide your life into casual informal. That's
Speaker 1: the ultimate bin area underwear. Have we heard of such?
Speaker 1: I'm like, once once we get into that STERI tour,
Speaker 1: then it's like, okay, we gotta have like a you know,
Speaker 1: a psychological conversation because did you say ironing underwear, underwear.
Speaker 1: I've met people who have told me, yes, iron my underwear,
Speaker 1: my mom. I fink so my mom irons, I would
Speaker 1: say compulsively and no offense to her if she's listening.
Speaker 1: But and it's not like it's not kind of like,
Speaker 1: oh God, the long suffering wife has to ire. I
Speaker 1: think it's like she needs the activity. She She's doing
Speaker 1: it constantly. And I do think when she puts like
Speaker 1: either mine or my dad, like when she puts like
Speaker 1: boxers away, like when I used to wear boxers, I
Speaker 1: do think they were iron. Yeah, I think it comes
Speaker 1: with age. I think it comes with age too, because
Speaker 1: more recently and maybe maybe you two can relate. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like now more than ever, especially since I
Speaker 1: broke this last iron, I'm paying attention to the settings
Speaker 1: on the ali ester still. I was not doing that before.
Speaker 1: It was the iron was on cotton, honey, and we're
Speaker 1: iron in cotton regardless of Yeah, something. One of the
Speaker 1: biggest parts of growing up is understanding settings, like in general,
Speaker 1: like just really it's like even it applies to cooking,
Speaker 1: like I used to think cooking it's like either the
Speaker 1: heat is on or the heat is off. And now
Speaker 1: I'm you know, or like putting things in a washing
Speaker 1: machine and actually caring about the temperature or iron literally
Speaker 1: even like microwaving, being like there's actually a better setting.
Speaker 1: It's like whoa, I'll say this though, may I say this?
Speaker 1: May I say this? You're allowed I have As you
Speaker 1: can see, you can see from the view that microwave
Speaker 1: doesn't get used Tony, I'm I'm I'm a stove bitch.
Speaker 1: I'm a stove And what is that? Like? It really is.
Speaker 1: It's such a type like there are people that refuse
Speaker 1: to microwaves, just one of them to better and it's
Speaker 1: just better. Get you, get you some pizza from the
Speaker 1: day before, put it in that pappet in it because
Speaker 1: it is there is a taste different, of course. I mean,
Speaker 1: pizza is one of the things where even I have
Speaker 1: had to accept, like you can't microwave pizza. You need
Speaker 1: to put it in the open. But the microwave texture
Speaker 1: it creates and it's its own thing. It's it's a
Speaker 1: fully different beast. I think, I think you can have
Speaker 1: a restaurant with apartment seeing an empty like a gaping
Speaker 1: area where he just this stove ship microwave. I know,
Speaker 1: I think you can microwate just on anything, and yeah,
Speaker 1: it might not taste like it's supposed to, but sometimes
Speaker 1: you need to free your mind from what you're supposed
Speaker 1: to be accept like microwave. Microwave will destroy any textural differences.
Speaker 1: So the best use of it is like, Okay, you
Speaker 1: can microwave a soup. You can microwave you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know, like a stute whatever, but but you can't microwave,
Speaker 1: you know, a sandwich, and that watch me. Like appliances, yes,
Speaker 1: cliences definitely, some are straight and some are gay. And
Speaker 1: I would say iron iron is straight, Okay, between stove
Speaker 1: oven and microwave, I would say, yes, I think, I
Speaker 1: think that. I think I think if we took a pole,
Speaker 1: microwaving definitely straight and putting things in the oven shows patients,
Speaker 1: which is what gay people famously have. They that we
Speaker 1: famously have patients. Yes, it's patients. And it's also creating
Speaker 1: a home. You are there, you know you are, you know,
Speaker 1: you're opening the door and you're kind of everything nice
Speaker 1: and then saying good luck in there and then turning
Speaker 1: the heat on. Well, it's I think, and I think
Speaker 1: stovetop actually could go either way. Because it depends on
Speaker 1: what what form of pan or pot you're using on
Speaker 1: a story. Yeah, and I think microwaving, I would say
Speaker 1: when I when I think of microwaving, I think of
Speaker 1: like TV dinners, you know, and straight, which I apply
Speaker 1: to strip men only suddenly we're in mad Men, right,
Speaker 1: because it's literally in the name hungry Man dinner. That's
Speaker 1: we know that famously. May I say, may I say
Speaker 1: hungry man only straight? Famous? Interesting to be hungry you
Speaker 1: never hungry. Well. There's also the microwave. No offense to
Speaker 1: my co host Sam, the microwave is very efficiency over aesthetics,
Speaker 1: like you don't care what gets destroyed in the way
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a hot meal. Damn it. I should
Speaker 1: see a cute microwaves. I've never seen acute micro well.
Speaker 1: I would even say my microwave not cute. And then yeah,
Speaker 1: in in the context of microwaves, it actually looks very nice,
Speaker 1: but it's still it's suspended. I'm like, what, bitch, Actually,
Speaker 1: I talked to Hi about beach you think you cute? Really?
Speaker 1: It does add something? Yeah, in my cabinet, I could bitch,
Speaker 1: I don't you don't think I needed more cabinet space
Speaker 1: right well, for anyone who can't see, Alex's microwave is
Speaker 1: one of those that suspended where the upper cabinets are,
Speaker 1: which I do think is very kind of It's very
Speaker 1: like bachelor pad if I'm anything, and I don't know.
Speaker 1: And speaking of appliances, um, I also have what the
Speaker 1: society loves right now, which is the what's it called?
Speaker 1: The air air friar? A friar? I was losing the
Speaker 1: words something who loves that? How do we how do
Speaker 1: we feel about the air fight? Okay? Can I say something?
Speaker 1: I've never actually looked into what it is. I know
Speaker 1: everyone uses it for a variety of reasons. My mom
Speaker 1: got this for me. She brought it for me because
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't really they bought it and
Speaker 1: she she swore on it. One. It's biggest hill first
Speaker 1: of all, you know, it's kind of embarrassingly big. So
Speaker 1: here's what I'll say about things like that. It's like
Speaker 1: you start, you start with an instant pot, then you
Speaker 1: get an air fire, then you get like a large
Speaker 1: toast of and it's like, well maybe maybe just like
Speaker 1: it's like, why are we reinventing the wheel here? Like
Speaker 1: everyone needs to just learn how to use an oven
Speaker 1: in a stone stone. Yeah, I feel like all these
Speaker 1: things like really work great if you have like space
Speaker 1: and most apartments we are going to be in do
Speaker 1: not do not? Yeah, certainly, certainly. And I mean I mean,
Speaker 1: can we just go back to the days where we
Speaker 1: were making grilled cheese sandwiches with irons? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Can? And now you brought it all back?
Speaker 1: Now we brought it all back? Um, okay, Alex, Just
Speaker 1: to return to ironing for a second. I do want
Speaker 1: to know, as someone who clearly has a conectional ironing
Speaker 1: at this stage in your life, what do you iron
Speaker 1: and what do you not? So I do iron, I
Speaker 1: will iron a pant, iron a shirt. I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm more inclined to iron a shirt than a pant.
Speaker 1: That's fair. Yeah, that makes sense to me because to me,
Speaker 1: pants have a higher likelihood of just becoming wrinkled. Anyway.
Speaker 1: You're sitting, you're sitting, you're standing, you're moving, you're bumping
Speaker 1: into people, you're you know, you're unbuckling for the for
Speaker 1: the for the restroom. You know, shirts, you know you
Speaker 1: want to keep it as pressed as possible because at
Speaker 1: some point it will by the end of the night.
Speaker 1: If it's wrinkled, no one's no one's upset about that,
Speaker 1: no one's looking at you, no one's pointing, no one's
Speaker 1: laughing because they're like it's been a day, you know.
Speaker 1: I feel like the idea of someone pointing and laughing
Speaker 1: at you because you are wrinkled, I mean truly, I
Speaker 1: mean growing up like Detroit, like Detroit is a very
Speaker 1: flat she and like you have to be dressed to
Speaker 1: the teens all the time and present yourself. So showing
Speaker 1: up that way, if you did come out the house wrinkled,
Speaker 1: people would ask questions. It might be a sign of
Speaker 1: like you're going through something, you don't have no home training.
Speaker 1: Who raised you? You know, that's a who raised you?
Speaker 1: As a big question? Like what the question in my
Speaker 1: community that came up a lot. And having Renkal clothes
Speaker 1: and going in public with Renkal clothes was like a
Speaker 1: are you okay? Yeah? So that's actually one of the
Speaker 1: biggest realizations I remember I had because my parents would
Speaker 1: always basically when we're about to leave the house, they
Speaker 1: would just look at me and my sister's and just
Speaker 1: like list the things that we're wrong with. How we
Speaker 1: look at dress, it's not like you know, they wouldn't
Speaker 1: be like you're ugly. And I was like, why are
Speaker 1: they so strict about these things? And then you realize,
Speaker 1: like this is so obvious, but because it's about them,
Speaker 1: like it reflects on them as they're like you're wearing
Speaker 1: like athletic socks with dress shoes, like people are to
Speaker 1: think I'm not feeding you. People are going to think
Speaker 1: that I don't take care of you, and they they go.
Speaker 1: My my mom was about all the time, Alex, your hair,
Speaker 1: like your hair being looking well, because I don't need
Speaker 1: adults seeing you in public and thinking that I'm just
Speaker 1: calling They're gonna call the people on me. You go outside.
Speaker 1: Was showed with your clothes looking at miss you know hair,
Speaker 1: looking at miss I'm gonna be accused of child neglect.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm like, oh I have. And I still walk
Speaker 1: around ironing my clothes thinking I don't want nobody thinking
Speaker 1: that I come from some terrible ship or I'm going
Speaker 1: through something. Yeah, here to do the Nibodegger thinks I
Speaker 1: don't want Tom being concerned about me. Yeah that I
Speaker 1: feel like for us also like for my parents generation
Speaker 1: Greece kind of like became westernized, like they were like
Speaker 1: they felt the need to prove that they were Europeans
Speaker 1: kind of like because when they were young, it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, more of a wild West. And then they're like, okay,
Speaker 1: we're in the European Union, we have the euro Like
Speaker 1: it's like, well we have to look the part. You
Speaker 1: have to look like you're from France, right, Yeah. And
Speaker 1: I was something with my uncle earlier. My uncle got
Speaker 1: dressed every day to go to the barbershop. He was
Speaker 1: putting on a suit jackly and like, I was like,
Speaker 1: why are we getting dressed up for this? And he's like,
Speaker 1: you never know who you're going to bump into, and
Speaker 1: you never know where you're gonna end up. Honestly, words
Speaker 1: are you having when you don't know where you're gonna
Speaker 1: There is a darkness there. We're like, wait, it was
Speaker 1: a little more predictable my free will, Like you can
Speaker 1: decide when you're ending up. And I would also ask
Speaker 1: this follow up question, where do you think you're gonna
Speaker 1: end up that you need to put on a full suit? Right?
Speaker 1: I like the idea that, like, you know, when you
Speaker 1: say something like you don't know where you're gonna end up.
Speaker 1: That sounds almost ominous, but in his in his case,
Speaker 1: he was like, I might end up at a formal
Speaker 1: wear function. I'm usually just happen you're going to go
Speaker 1: to a formal dinner or like, I don't know your casket,
Speaker 1: you're gonna die. You already want to be dressed for well,
Speaker 1: he wasn't a motorcycle gang. Who knows a very very
Speaker 1: well dressed one very well dressed to me, the iron
Speaker 1: it is like, it is very like it's a rule.
Speaker 1: It's like parents telling you to do something, which I
Speaker 1: think is also why the Brooklyn Night of Today is
Speaker 1: sort of like, no, I'm not going to do that. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: because everyone acting the demands of our parents. I mean,
Speaker 1: Brooklyn has a concept is various people that are like, no,
Speaker 1: momm dead. It's actually insane that is like to their forties. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it honestly, it's definitely going to be people being like
Speaker 1: I am not ironing, just just just read everything our
Speaker 1: parents told us. What's the else to be? But I
Speaker 1: will say I do hate when a shirt is wrinkly
Speaker 1: when I don't want it to be. It's true, it's
Speaker 1: and I have to say that, and I'll say this
Speaker 1: here's where as much as I think I have unlearned
Speaker 1: a lot of the formal, casual binary thinking of our youth,
Speaker 1: when I am at the like when I'm at a
Speaker 1: wedding and I do see someone with a wrinkled shirt,
Speaker 1: I'm like, who raised you? You didn't know where we
Speaker 1: were gonna be, you know, Like it's like some things
Speaker 1: are clear cut, like if you're going to a wedding,
Speaker 1: where as soon I would say, I would say if
Speaker 1: someone showed up to a wedding black, if I saw that,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, that person didn't know where they were
Speaker 1: going to be today exactly. You just want you just
Speaker 1: you just didn't know you were going to be there. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: really it's funny when that part of your parents comes out.
Speaker 1: Yeah they ain't. I know how I'm training look at it. Wow,
Speaker 1: I mean should we do her fine segment? I've learned
Speaker 1: so much, I have to say, Alex dream guest, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is really like I've learned a lot too. I
Speaker 1: also mean the fact that you introduced the concept of
Speaker 1: appliances as gay or straight, Like it's like you should
Speaker 1: just host this podcast. Yeah, I mean it almost came
Speaker 1: instinctively to me. I think I think you guys sent
Speaker 1: me the email about coming up with a topic, and
Speaker 1: I walked in my house and saw these two ridiculous
Speaker 1: as irons in my living room, and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: that's the topic. Yeah, I'm there are a lot of
Speaker 1: things that I will be stealing with. For me, that
Speaker 1: Kelly Valencia binary is something I will be thinking about
Speaker 1: for a while. To me, I'm dipping dots being you know,
Speaker 1: not respecting your elders of restaurant. Like I'm glad, I'm
Speaker 1: glad we got there too. Became it felt like something
Speaker 1: I didn't know it was that that particular subject was
Speaker 1: resting on my heart the way it was when you
Speaker 1: brought it up, saying when we kind of dived in,
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, no, it's clarifying, it's clarifying. Wow. Okay,
Speaker 1: well Sam, do you want to introduce our final segment? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So our final segments called shoutouts. It's pretty straightforward. Um,
Speaker 1: we pay homage to the classic street tradition of the
Speaker 1: radio shout out to anything that we enjoy at all.
Speaker 1: So imagine it's two thousand one, You're at you know,
Speaker 1: t r L in Times Square and you're shouting out
Speaker 1: to your squad back home about anything you enjoy George,
Speaker 1: do you yeah, I'll go okay, please? What's up for
Speaker 1: ex some losers? I want to give a quick shout
Speaker 1: out to the lady that passed by me the other
Speaker 1: day when I was kind of distracted walking the dog
Speaker 1: I'm dogs hitting, and I didn't immediately move out of
Speaker 1: her way because it was a Friday afternoon and I
Speaker 1: was trying to make sure that dog didn't go into
Speaker 1: the street. And she walks around me and says, yeah,
Speaker 1: don't move or anything that's great, and then keeps walking.
Speaker 1: And then to say, I formed an imaginary response in
Speaker 1: my head that lasted approximately four hours and ended with
Speaker 1: so so think about that next time, you, psycho. Really,
Speaker 1: I have never It was truly after a difficult week,
Speaker 1: I was like, I was not really aware of my
Speaker 1: surroundings and not you know, maybe not aware of the
Speaker 1: space I was taking admittedly, and the idea that someone
Speaker 1: on a Friday afternoon, truly, like at five p m.
Speaker 1: When everyone is out for the first nice day of
Speaker 1: the year and having a nice time, would decide to
Speaker 1: walk past me and say, don't move her anything that's great.
Speaker 1: It made more angry than I have been in decades,
Speaker 1: and I just want to give a hearty shout out
Speaker 1: to that woman for really helping me access that kind
Speaker 1: of anger I have not felt since the election, frankly,
Speaker 1: and I would like to give her a hearty hoodie
Speaker 1: who and I hope she can come on the podcast
Speaker 1: so I can tell her to go fuck herself. Um wow,
Speaker 1: that's incredible and I love I. Then then what happened
Speaker 1: and then I'll stop talking about this is so I
Speaker 1: kept walking the dog and truly found myself without intending
Speaker 1: to a few blocks later reaching her walking right behind her,
Speaker 1: And so then I kept following her, not like on purpose,
Speaker 1: but I was like following her for like a few
Speaker 1: more blocks, And in my mind I was like, do
Speaker 1: I do a delayed reaction, Like do I literally walk
Speaker 1: past her and then look back and be like, sorry
Speaker 1: I didn't move earlier. Have a nice Friday or something
Speaker 1: I truly like? And I considered it heavily. I was like,
Speaker 1: and then I had to remind myself like that would
Speaker 1: be an its psychotic thing to do. And also I
Speaker 1: just want to say she was literally taking a walk
Speaker 1: with her friend and having a nice conversation this was
Speaker 1: not someone like going through a hard time and like,
Speaker 1: you know, I needed to blash out. So that's all
Speaker 1: I hated. Well, I think that's deserved. I think you
Speaker 1: should hate her. Um okay, wait, I'm trying to think
Speaker 1: of one that's good and I don't have one off
Speaker 1: of the like that I'm truly excited about. And you know,
Speaker 1: m m mmmmmmmmm uh okay, what's up freaks, losers and
Speaker 1: perverts out there. I would like to give a huge
Speaker 1: shout out to the concept of just saying yes, yes,
Speaker 1: that's right. I have been going with the flow. I
Speaker 1: have been agreeing to things that normally I would be like,
Speaker 1: I don't really want to do that, But now I'm saying,
Speaker 1: why don't you want to do it? Maybe you need
Speaker 1: to check in with yourself and just agree to do
Speaker 1: some stuff that maybe isn't the first thing you want
Speaker 1: to do. Just oh, just say yes, Just go to
Speaker 1: that thing, Just have fun, lighten up, don't be so
Speaker 1: in control of your damn schedule. Just to say yes
Speaker 1: to hanging out. Go hang out, have fun, and come home.
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful thing to loosen up a bit and
Speaker 1: say yes to the dress I love. I love going
Speaker 1: out and I love everyone I've ever met. Sam shout
Speaker 1: out to Shonda Rhimes's book Year of Yes, How to Dance,
Speaker 1: outstand in the Sun and Be your Own Person. I
Speaker 1: think it was such a funny, UM shout out to
Speaker 1: do so. And that's very morning show, very morning show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: whereas mine was less more. Definitely, it definitely gave it
Speaker 1: gave Jerry Springer's final thought. Yeah, in the audience. It
Speaker 1: was in the audience. I just want to talk about
Speaker 1: saying yes, I just want to talk just one second
Speaker 1: after three, after three, people just had a full out brawl.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. It was either that or it was. UM.
Speaker 1: Shout out to critics that liked Charlie x X. I knew.
Speaker 1: I thought that's what you were gonna well, and then
Speaker 1: I but then I was like, but I just did
Speaker 1: a week or two ago, and so I was like,
Speaker 1: I actually blew it. I should have saved it. No, No,
Speaker 1: I think idiot. I think it's good we're moving away
Speaker 1: from pop stars. Well we're not moving away permanently. UM. Okay,
Speaker 1: if you have a shout out whenever, I would like
Speaker 1: to give a shout out to this is an individual
Speaker 1: as well. UM, the uber eats delivery person whom I
Speaker 1: fell asleep one Oh, no, I fell I ordered. I
Speaker 1: ordered from a diner, a a a meal. I ordered
Speaker 1: a French toast. It was a bacon and it was
Speaker 1: it was eggs, and I fell asleep on it way
Speaker 1: to sleep on it, you know, just knocked out cold.
Speaker 1: And I will say, I have a habit. It's a
Speaker 1: habit of mine that I stopped doing. However, However, what
Speaker 1: I've learned after like looking this particular thing, I learned
Speaker 1: that this is not I'm not an anomaly. People do
Speaker 1: this all the time. And so I found a Reddit
Speaker 1: page that spoke to this issue, and that I learned
Speaker 1: that the uber when that happens to people, the delivery
Speaker 1: people eat the food they take. And so I'm like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: look at me, I'm feeding people. Wow, you're a shout
Speaker 1: out to you. Honestly unbelievable. And and here's here's the
Speaker 1: other thing. I would argue, not even argue, because who's
Speaker 1: who's arguing this? I would say, May I say, may
Speaker 1: I say this? Not only am I feeding people, but
Speaker 1: the amount of times that this has happened to me,
Speaker 1: there's a good chance I'm also feeding a queer person
Speaker 1: because statistically speaking, totally speaking, I've done this so many
Speaker 1: times that there's a good chance that I've a queer person.
Speaker 1: Shout out to me, actually shout out to Alex. Shout Alex.
Speaker 1: Really keeping everyone fed. Yeah, it's so beautiful, eating people
Speaker 1: at least once a week, because I'm gonna say I've
Speaker 1: done it's a couple of times. Incredible. I love that. Well,
Speaker 1: I guess I feel. I feel emotionally impacted, I feel
Speaker 1: spiritually full, I feel literally educated. I do as well.
Speaker 1: I feel great. This was a really fun app such
Speaker 1: a good app. Well, Alex. It's been an absolute dream.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for doing to pull the curtain
Speaker 1: back on my life. Now, may I may I, may
Speaker 1: I may I pull pull my pull the curtain back. Yes,
Speaker 1: pull the iron the curtain back. I close the curtain right.
Speaker 1: Thanks for doing the po we're waving as you close
Speaker 1: the curtain. Thanks guys, see you next time. And then
Speaker 1: in the land to eat and the d