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Speaker 1: four baseball games today. You like baseball? A four spot today,

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Speaker 1: A couple of big ones. Last night, my Mariner, that

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Speaker 1: World Series between the Brewers and the Mariners. You thought

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Speaker 1: it was unlikely one game closer. It is Wednesday. It

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Speaker 1: be listening. We're live in LA for Jmax Joel kladd.

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Speaker 2: In one hour we were waiting.

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Speaker 1: We had a Ron on the show yesterday and a

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Speaker 1: Rod said, listen, it's not just and a Rod lived

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Speaker 1: through this in New York. It's not about getting base knocks.

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Speaker 1: You need a moment. Last night, Aaron Judge finally had

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Speaker 1: his moment. So the Yankees got smoked in the first

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Speaker 1: two games of this series. I don't think the Yankees

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Speaker 1: gonna win this series. I don't think they're starting pitching

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Speaker 1: matches up well with Toronto.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Toronto led major League Baseball in hits, so it's not

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Speaker 1: like they're not difficult on everybody. But last night was classic.

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Speaker 1: The Jays just own the Yankees starting pitching now again,

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Speaker 1: Toronto led Baseball in hits. So if you count the

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Speaker 1: regular season in the playoffs, the Blue Jays have a

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Speaker 1: six to one ERA against the Yankee starters. And they

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Speaker 1: took a six to one lead last night and innings

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Speaker 1: one through five, just innings one through five. In the

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Speaker 1: first three games, they scored twenty runs. Carlos Rodn last night.

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Speaker 2: This is a guy.

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Speaker 1: He was a horse for the Yankees this year, eighteen wins,

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Speaker 1: six runs, two and a third. So again, Jay's are

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Speaker 1: about in four thirty against the Yankee starters, and I

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Speaker 1: don't think you can win a series like this, forget

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Speaker 1: the bullpens. But it opened the door for the moment

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Speaker 2: On a two strike pitch.

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Speaker 3: It's a drive down the mind if experiences movement, it's times.

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Speaker 1: The Yankees need Aaron Judge to deliver bombs. They're an

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Speaker 1: action movie he's the lead. They don't play small ball,

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Speaker 1: they don't have a great bullpen. Otani's valuable to the Dodgers,

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Speaker 1: but he's not always necessary to be the lead. Aaron

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Speaker 1: Judge is the next inning, all that jazz, Jazz Chisholm,

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Speaker 1: a guy that didn't play remember Game one against the

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Speaker 1: Red side, came back. Yeah, they missed him. Jazz Chisholm

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Speaker 1: and it was official. New York was back in this series.

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing about bullpens. The Yankees, Jays, Phillies,

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Speaker 1: and Dodgers, all their bullpens have been roughed up until

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Speaker 1: last night, when the Yankees bullpen did what every bullpen

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Speaker 1: from the big markets and off of the flashy teams,

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Speaker 1: the Phillies, the Yankees, the Dodgers, even the Jay's bullpen

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't know why bullpens are so bad,

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Speaker 1: Everybody throws gas out of the bullpen and including the Yankees.

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Speaker 1: But last night was about Aaron Judge having a signature

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Speaker 1: inning Yankee bullpen came in. Now it's interesting Toronto's going

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Speaker 1: bullpen start. Not exactly sure why. Uh that that opens

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Speaker 1: the door for the Yankees. But the reality is runs

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Speaker 1: a singular moment Aaron Judge, and here he was after.

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Speaker 2: Watching it fly.

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Speaker 4: Did you think it would stay fair?

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Speaker 5: You never know under a one like that right at

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Speaker 5: the Bout Bowl, you don't thinkfully, the ghosts kind of

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Speaker 5: took that one over. I gotn't there for.

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Speaker 2: The nice one.

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Speaker 5: Uh, there's no Benning in this team, you know, especially

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Speaker 1: that I've always sort of rolled my eyes at players

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Speaker 1: The Bulls had one in Chicago. The Dolphins had one

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Speaker 1: this year. How they all work out? By the way,

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma City had a team meeting at half court to

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Speaker 1: fifteen twenty minutes. This thing yesterday between Saquon Barkley, AJ

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Speaker 1: and I talked about it yesterday. Oh boy, oh boy.

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Speaker 1: I wish my kids would have had a kid's only meeting.

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Speaker 1: That would have been funny. But my takeaway on this

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Speaker 1: Peyton Mannings, Baker Mayfield's. Those guys sit in the pocket

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Speaker 1: a very unique quarterback that doesn't play the position like

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Speaker 1: the all time greats do. That doesn't mean he doesn't

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Speaker 1: have great traits or he's not a tremendous leader and

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Speaker 1: a tremendous quarterback. But he's going to struggle throughout his

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Speaker 1: And what's interesting about this drama in Philadelphia. In Week one,

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Speaker 1: But in the last four weeks, AJ Brown, the star receiver,

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Speaker 1: They're trying to get in the ball. They've over corrected,

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Speaker 1: and to me, it's getting in the way of the offense.

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Speaker 1: Remember last year Philadelphia had a buye. They came out

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Speaker 1: old square peg roundhole. They're trying to change their offense

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Speaker 1: to appease AJ Brown, and you saw it last week

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Speaker 1: at one point they trailed, they led Denver at one

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Speaker 1: point seventeen to three. And in that game, at one

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Speaker 1: you do. Philadelphia is known for running the ball when

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Speaker 1: they trail. So when Philadelphia leads at home by a

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Speaker 2: That's not what Philadelphia is.

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Speaker 1: And so to me, when I hear players only meeting,

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Speaker 1: first of all, I oways wonder how many teams did

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Speaker 1: that needed to have player only meetings with a winning record.

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Speaker 1: I think Philadelphia has got a coaching crisis. I think

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Speaker 1: Sirianni is not a ski guy, so his teams are

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Speaker 1: taking it in under their own hands. Miami had one

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Speaker 1: they lost to Carolina. In fact, they blew a lead

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Speaker 1: Here's how the players only meeting with three stars went.

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Speaker 6: It's just us talking about the collective, talking about taking

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Speaker 6: on the ship for what we can and talking about

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Speaker 6: how we move forward as a team so we continue

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Speaker 6: to find ways to win games. Is really just teammates

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Speaker 6: being teammates. I know this is a hungry group. I

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Speaker 6: know we're hungry, and I know we're excited for all

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Speaker 6: the opportunity in front of us to continue to improve.

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Speaker 6: That's what matters most, because we won't go out there

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Speaker 6: as a team exactly.

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Speaker 1: But this is an offense that signature play looks like rugby.

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Speaker 1: That's what they are, and it's okay and everybody we

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Speaker 1: Minnesota is targeting Justin Jefferson. They're trying. But Carson Wentz

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Speaker 1: frankly is a bigger pocket guy than Jalen Hurts. He

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Speaker 1: saying he's a better quarterback. But this has always been

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Speaker 1: Baker doesn't, Tom didn't, Manning didn't. They're traditional quarterbacks. So

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Speaker 1: that's where we are this morning. Yeah, it's you know,

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Speaker 1: it's funny, and you know, as I'm watching and talking

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Speaker 1: all these bullpen games. Baseball's had so many changes. But Toronto,

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Speaker 1: you've really seen Toronto on display. The Yankee starters can't

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Speaker 4: Well, we know the guy tonight will, but they could

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Speaker 4: go quiet for two days and Yanks take the series.

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Speaker 4: I mean, would you really be shocked Toronto was up

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Speaker 2: Last night? Six to one? Come on on the road,

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Speaker 2: felt like it was a lock for Toronto.

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Speaker 4: Well, awesome come back, and you just wonder, does the

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Speaker 2: Momentum is only the next day starting pitcher.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the Yankee starting pitching against the Blue Jays.

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Speaker 1: The era is sixteen, Toronto's hitting four thirty nine and

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Speaker 1: the Yankees have surrendered four home runs. And the Yankees

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Speaker 1: think Toronto looks at it and thinks to themselves, well,

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Speaker 1: we've got a couple more games. We could score fifteen

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Speaker 2: Well, I look at Slitler, the guy who the hero

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Speaker 1: Let the Boston's not Toronto. Boston does not have the

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Speaker 1: and it took a deciding game against Boston. So I

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Speaker 1: Yankees aren't a great defensive team.

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Speaker 2: It's not base running.

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Speaker 1: It's basically, don't let Aaron Judge do what Aaron Judge

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Speaker 2: That's what you do.

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Speaker 1: The Yankees are top heavy, they're uneven and last Night,

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Speaker 1: Jazz and Aaron made them pay.

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Speaker 2: You want to put us take dinner on tonight? Yanks win.

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Speaker 4: You owe me sixteen, oh maybe twenty sacking up numbers

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Speaker 2: He's Mike Krmen, I'm Dan Bayern.

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Speaker 9: We have a fantasy football podcast called I Want Your Flex.

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Speaker 8: That's right, Dan.

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Speaker 3: Every week we're gonna scour the waiver wire to find

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Speaker 4: Let's dive into the NFL, shall we and the AFC

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Speaker 4: North That quarterbacks are going they're dropping like flies. Colin

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Speaker 4: Let's go to the next story. That's your Chicago Bears.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 4: Do you remember last year when the Bears met the Commanders.

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Speaker 4: It was a classic game at one on a Hail Mary.

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Speaker 4: The Bears defensive back was like pointing at the crowd

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Speaker 4: talking trash.

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Speaker 2: As the play starts. Just a memorable Hail Mary.

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Speaker 4: Well, Ben Johnson is not entertaining any conversations about last

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Speaker 4: year's debacer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you'd have to talk to those guys

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Speaker 2: about it. We're a new team and we're just focused

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Speaker 2: on winning this game this week.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what you should say. Stay away bad karma

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Speaker 1: to talk about.

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Speaker 4: That mass So where are you on this game? Because

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Speaker 4: I've given her some thought. Here is the Hail Mary?

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Speaker 2: Office one.

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Speaker 1: This is just and remember the end zone shot when

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Speaker 1: you had the Bear defensive I think.

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Speaker 4: It was Steven's was the guy act the lord? This

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Speaker 4: is a heat, but you know sixty five yards.

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Speaker 2: In the air by Jader.

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Speaker 1: It's not all coaching because this happens about once a year,

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Speaker 1: so there is some value. But you had a defensive

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Speaker 1: back talking to fans Stevenson, and then.

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Speaker 4: He's the one who tiped it. He was out of position.

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Speaker 4: He should have been the back end guy. Commanders are

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Speaker 4: minus four and a half. So they got a win

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Speaker 4: by five at home, coming off a big road trip

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Speaker 4: to the Chargers where they didn't look good early, but

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Speaker 4: man did they finished strong column last three quarters. They

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Speaker 4: dominated the Chargers Bears off of a bide. Do you

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Speaker 4: have any lean here?

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Speaker 1: I like the Commanders. I again, the Chicago has been

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Speaker 1: an outfit over the last ten years. They've not been

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Speaker 1: a great road team. I think what you watched, you

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Speaker 1: saw it live last week. Don't forget how great Jaden

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Speaker 1: Daniels was last year. Last week, in that second half,

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Speaker 1: you were watching them throw darts.

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Speaker 4: No, Terry McLaurin, last week, he's expected. Maybe this is

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Speaker 4: one of my favorite plays of the weekend. I like

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Speaker 4: the Commanders. Mclaurin's back, folks quarterback play Jaden Daniels. Don't

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Speaker 4: forget because he's been banged up, how good he was

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Speaker 4: last year. Now this is second year in the system.

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Speaker 4: Now they've got Debo McLaurin back. I think this point forward,

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Speaker 4: the Commanders are going to be one of the hotter

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Speaker 4: teams in the league starting this week. Okay, final story

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Speaker 4: is uh oh, that litty team in Kansas City. They

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Speaker 4: are under five hundred colin. We often cannot say that

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Speaker 4: about these lucky guys. Patrick Mahomes spoke about the Chiefs

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Speaker 4: needing to quit beating themselves.

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Speaker 10: We kind of crush ourselves with penalties and mistakes and

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Speaker 10: interceptions and fumbles or whatever that is. I mean, it's

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Speaker 10: just we've kind we've kind of done that to ourselves

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Speaker 10: all year long. It's kind of been one guy here there,

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Speaker 10: and in this league, it's so close that those those

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Speaker 10: change games, and so we got to be better, you know,

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Speaker 10: we we we've lost too many games already.

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Speaker 1: Well, when you pay the quarterback a lot of money,

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Speaker 1: you've got to get young somewhere. You got to get

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Speaker 1: young and cheap. And they've got a lot of young

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Speaker 1: guys on the special teams. I think they had five

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Speaker 1: special teams penalties. So I mean that's the reality is

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Speaker 1: when you're when you're paying the quarterback top of the market.

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Speaker 2: Dallas has a little bit of this.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of running back by committee or receiver by

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Speaker 1: committee or special teams by committee.

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Speaker 2: And so they're young.

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Speaker 1: But I think Kansas City's issues holding penalties on punter

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Speaker 1: or kicks, that stuff's correct. Well, you can get out

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Speaker 1: of that.

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Speaker 4: What about Chris Jones laziness and Arison Butter kicking it

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Speaker 4: out of balance? Harrison's not having a great year. He's

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Speaker 4: not a fantasy team. I'm aware he's not.

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Speaker 2: Having a great year.

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Speaker 1: That's so kickers are you know upstairs they have they

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Speaker 1: go sideways fast.

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Speaker 4: We do talk with this about this in the offseason.

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Speaker 4: A lot one score games. They were eleven or oh

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Speaker 4: last year. I know Chiefs fans don't want to hear it.

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Speaker 4: That stuff is fluky. You can't go eleven or zero

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Speaker 4: on one score games any new we get to happen again.

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Speaker 4: They're zero to three in those this year.

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Speaker 1: I said, we said before the season started, I had

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Speaker 1: them finishing second in their division at Denver as a

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Speaker 1: wildcard team, and I said, if they go five hundred

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Speaker 1: and one score games, like if they went four and four,

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Speaker 1: you'd feel pretty good. You'd like to go five and

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Speaker 1: three with Andy Reid, you probably do. But the truth

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Speaker 1: is recovering fumbles and one score wins, there's a there's

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Speaker 1: a randomness. It's not totally random because I do think mcveigh's.

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Speaker 2: Or or Reid or Sean Payton.

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Speaker 1: I do think there are certain coaches who do bring

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Speaker 1: out really smart plays situationally. I mean, why why you

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Speaker 1: know Andy Reid in Philly and Andy Reid in Kansas City.

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Speaker 1: He's always been good on third down, He's always been

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Speaker 1: good in the red zone. There are coaches that are better.

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Speaker 1: When we watched this past weekend Sean Payton against Philly

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Speaker 1: and they go for it on the two point conversion.

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Speaker 1: It was a great play. Does a defensive coach have

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Speaker 1: that like? And so I think one score wins are

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Speaker 1: not as random as fumble recoveries. I think that there's

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Speaker 1: something to be said about some teams are better coached,

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Speaker 1: and they're better coach team win close game. Well, Josh

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Speaker 1: McDaniels and Brady won a lot of one score games

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Speaker 1: every year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, real quick, Chief's taking money. This was a pick them.

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Speaker 4: They're out to two and a half. My read is

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Speaker 4: everybody saw the Chiefs look really good against the job.

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Speaker 4: I think Detroit's to play. I think I'm with you here,

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Speaker 4: you're saying four and four to one score games. We'll see,

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Speaker 4: they got to eventually win one, right, They're.

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Speaker 2: Gonna eventually win one of these. How do you know

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Speaker 2: it's a one score game? You think Lion's blast.

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Speaker 1: I think this is the last game where Kansas City

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Speaker 1: really struggles. I think they're going to struggle a little bit,

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Speaker 1: and then I think they go on to tear when

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Speaker 1: Rashi Rice comes back the following week, what.

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Speaker 4: About Xavi You're worthy? Where's he Monday Night Superstar? Would

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Speaker 4: you pair Xavi You're Worthy in Rashie Rice. That's like

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Speaker 4: John Taylor and Jerry Rice. Remember what the Niners linking up?

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Speaker 4: I mean, how do you stop that?

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Speaker 1: And you're you're having a ball right now because you

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Speaker 1: hate Kansas I don't hate them.

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Speaker 2: I got my homes of my fantasy team. I'm rooting

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Speaker 2: for them.

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Speaker 4: I just I want to be right on my prediction

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Speaker 4: and I got a good feeling about the Broncos and

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Speaker 4: Chargers in the AFCU West.

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Speaker 2: All right, Jame and act with the news.

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Speaker 7: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by Heard

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Speaker 7: Line News.

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Speaker 2: So there was a story yesterday, was it?

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Speaker 1: The Athletic had the story on Arch Manning, and it

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Speaker 1: was really harsh.

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Speaker 11: You know.

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Speaker 1: The title was is he the first flop ever in

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Speaker 1: college football? And my takeaway was, whoever wrote this story

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Speaker 1: does not follow high school football recruiting. I would say

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Speaker 1: fifty percent of the five star quarterbacks that come out

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Speaker 1: of high school fifty percent aren't half as good as

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Speaker 1: arch Manning. I mean, arch Manning does lead the SEC

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Speaker 1: in total touchdowns and it is a very good defensive conference.

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Speaker 1: I mean, USC had a five star quarterback from LA

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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. Hour later he went to

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Speaker 1: Boise State. Now he's at UTEP. He played arch earlier

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Speaker 1: this year in Arch one, and that's Malik Nelson and

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Speaker 1: didn't play very good. So arch Manning is just the

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Speaker 1: latest five star quarterback to come into college football and realize, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's a different sport. I mean, all you Texas fans,

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Speaker 1: do you remember Garrett Gilbert? I do even sounds like

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Speaker 1: a Texas quarterback, Garrett Gilbert. I think he replaced Colt McCoy,

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Speaker 1: if I recall it, in that game against Bama.

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Speaker 2: I think so.

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Speaker 1: He never panned out. So I went back this morning

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Speaker 1: and I went to the twenty twenty three high school

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Speaker 1: football class arch Manning was number one, Nico Iamaliavo was

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Speaker 1: number two. He had a transfer or did Number three

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Speaker 1: was Dante Moore he transferred, and then Jackson Arnold is

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Speaker 1: a number four, all totally mixed results. Arch has struggled,

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Speaker 1: Nico went to UCLA until last weekend is kind of

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Speaker 1: a disaster. Dante Moore is great, red shirted, has the

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Speaker 1: best teammates around him, and then Jackson Arnold.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: So my take is what's happening to Arch Manning happens

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Speaker 1: about fifty percent of the time to five star quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: They get built up, they play on high school football

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Speaker 1: powers with great teammates, then they go to these big schools.

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Speaker 2: And I've said this for years.

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Speaker 1: If you think gets hard for NFL teams to figure

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Speaker 1: out what quarterbacks are good in the draft at twenty

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Speaker 1: two and twenty three years old, try doing it when

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Speaker 1: they're seventeen and eighteen years old. So you know, when

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Speaker 1: people say, oh, he's a flop for a bust, you

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Speaker 1: know who a bust is. That guy hanging out outside

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Speaker 1: of a seven to eleven with a beer belly that's

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Speaker 1: forty six, still talking about that big win over Central High.

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Speaker 1: That's a flop. That's a bust. Arch is just the

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Speaker 1: latest five star quarterback who was finding out. I mean

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Speaker 1: Nico Iamalaiava Jackson, Arnold, Dante Moore. It's rough, it's hard.

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Speaker 1: And the NFL hit rate for quarterbacks in the first

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Speaker 1: rounds about fifty percent. That's about the high school to

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Speaker 1: college hit rate on five star quarterbacks. It's amazing how

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Speaker 1: many quarterbacks think about in the NFL right now. Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen was not offered out of high school A division

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Speaker 1: on scholarship. Aaron Rodgers had to go to a junior college.

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Speaker 2: They're not.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's not a lot of Peyton Manning,

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Speaker 1: Matt Stafford, great high school, great college, great pro.

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Speaker 2: That's actually rare.

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Speaker 1: It is guy comes in, doesn't fit, has to transfer, fails,

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Speaker 1: or is okay drafted eventually in the fourth or fifth round.

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Speaker 1: So I thought the article I listen, I thought it

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Speaker 1: was way too harsh. I think, if you follow I've

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Speaker 1: been following high school football recruiting for forty years. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you can go to USC A couple of years ago

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Speaker 1: they had a five star guy. It was in Boise

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Speaker 1: an hour later. I root for all the kids, but

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Speaker 1: it just happens constantly. It's really really hard. Here's Sark

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Speaker 1: on arch Maanning after he just lost to Florida.

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Speaker 2: I found out he's a tough dude.

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Speaker 9: He he He fought his ass off Saturday, and those

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Speaker 9: were not ideal conditions for a quarterback to perform under.

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Speaker 2: Is there a couple throws I'm sure he'd love to

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Speaker 2: have back, of.

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Speaker 9: Course, but he's stood in there and he showed a

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Speaker 9: lot of contact, courage, taking hits, delivering the ball. There

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Speaker 9: were some really impressive throws in there, and he battled

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Speaker 9: until the very end.

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Speaker 1: In fairness, Texas has four new offensive line starters and

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Speaker 1: they're they're not delivering, so you have a ton of time.

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Speaker 1: He does hold the ball too long. That's a lot

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Speaker 1: of quarterbacks, said bow Knicks. Last year out of Oregon,

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Speaker 1: Bnicks had sixty one high college starts. He came to

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Speaker 1: Denver with Sean Payton. He held the ball way too

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Speaker 1: long last year, bo Nicks has sped it up. Arch

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Speaker 1: Manning needs another year in college. He needs to speed

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Speaker 1: it up. A lot of that's just what do you see?

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Speaker 1: Do you see the field? He tends to be He

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Speaker 1: lets go with the ball too late. He's not yet

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Speaker 1: a great anticipatory thrower. I'm not a quarterback coach, but

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Speaker 1: I think calling him a flop or a bust it

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Speaker 1: just I mean, you're not watching high school football recruiting.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just these these five star guys. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I was told like five years ago Quinn Ewers was

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Speaker 1: the next great Hall of Fame quarterback. Remember he came

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Speaker 1: out five stars, guy, had a big arm. I was like, No,

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Speaker 1: how'd that go? You'd be amazed how many quarterback cam Ward?

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Speaker 1: Go look at cam Ward's jersey journey. Go look at

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield's journey. I mean that that's typical. Go look

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Speaker 1: at Josh Allen's or Aaron Rodgers. That's actually typical. That's

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Speaker 1: not the out The outlier is Peyton Manning or Matt Stafford.

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Speaker 1: And even Stafford had to eventually leave his NFL team

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Speaker 1: and go to the Rams to actually win a playoff game.

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Speaker 1: Like Peyton Manning is an all time rare greaton junior high,

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Speaker 1: great in high school, great in college, number one pick,

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Speaker 1: great in the NFL. That's like that. Even John Elway

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Speaker 1: wasn't winning much in college. Mahomes didn't win in college.

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen didn't win in college. That's not the outlier.

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Speaker 1: The outlier's Peyton Manning.

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Speaker 8: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 8: and Noone Eastern not a em Pacific.

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Speaker 2: Today on FS one, a pair of game fours.

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Speaker 4: In the Alds starts with Cal Ray and the Mariners

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Speaker 4: taking on the Tigers, and in prime time.

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Speaker 2: After last night's.

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Speaker 4: Huge rally, Judge and the Yankees continue to fight for

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Speaker 4: their playoffs lives against Laddie and the Blue Jays.

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Speaker 2: Comforage begins next right here on FS one.

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Speaker 1: I kind of take the Tigers will force a final game.

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Speaker 1: I think the Yankees Blue Jays, I know, you think

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Speaker 1: Cam Schlitzler is gonna throw a no, no, let's let's

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Speaker 1: this Jay's are not the Red Sox.

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Speaker 2: Jays are lead baseball and hits Schlitler's turning into Roger

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Speaker 2: Clemens's side. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Also, he comes off a great game, so now there's

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Speaker 1: a little bit of pressure because there's expectations. We're watching

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Speaker 1: him the other game and we're like, who's this guy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Yankee fans knew who he was.

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Speaker 2: He didn't, he didn't.

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Speaker 1: His first start was in like July, like he didn't.

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Speaker 1: So now now there's a little pressure. Now there's expectation.

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Speaker 3: He's in.

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Speaker 4: He's locked in, as the kids like to say, lock in,

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Speaker 4: Cam Slitler.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we all know this for anybody listening in

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Speaker 1: their car, watching on TV or U YouTube, all of

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Speaker 1: us are better when we have that one great boss.

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Speaker 1: And one of the things it's hard sometimes when you

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Speaker 1: work at a company that people are coming and going.

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Speaker 1: You got a new boss and they have a new worldview.

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Speaker 1: And I think one of the things that's really important

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Speaker 1: for young quarterbacks and all quarterbacks, do you have an

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Speaker 1: offensive coach. So if the coordinator leaves, you still have

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Speaker 1: an offensive coach. And offensive coaches have a different sensibility,

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Speaker 1: a softer touch with quarterbacks. So right now, Detroit's on pace.

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Speaker 1: The Detroit lines are on pace to score the most

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Speaker 1: points in the history of the NFL. Who's the quarterback

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Speaker 1: Jared Goff And what's remarkable not that he leads the

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Speaker 1: NFL and completion percentage or passing touchdowns. He's on his

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Speaker 1: seventh offensive coordinator and he's had one bad season with

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Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher. Every other coach has worked two head coaches,

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Speaker 1: seven coordinators, and I said this when he came out.

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Speaker 1: He's durable as hell. Guy never gets hurt.

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Speaker 2: I mean he is.

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Speaker 1: He's the only quarterback to play every regular season game,

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Speaker 1: week one of twenty twenty two until today. He's the

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Speaker 1: only one crazy durable. He got the you know what

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Speaker 1: kicked out of him. Mccal stood up ready to play

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Speaker 1: every next Saturday. Six', four great, mechanics seize the. Field really. Accurate,

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Speaker 1: Yes sean McVay got him to a Super. Bowl but

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Speaker 1: we didn't know If Dan campbell was a good. Coach

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Speaker 1: we didn't know he was an interim before and everybody

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Speaker 1: thought he. Was you, know he's kind of a raw rod.

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Speaker 1: Guy seven. Coordinators jared Folks get used to say hearing,

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Speaker 1: This Jared goff's gonna be A hall Of. Famer absolutely

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Speaker 1: going to be A hall Of, famer no, question no,

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Speaker 1: question is going to be A hall Of. Famer he

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Speaker 1: plays in, rhythm he plays in. Structure he got great.

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Speaker 1: Genetics his dad played in The. Bigs Jared goff is

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Speaker 1: going to be A hall Of. Famer you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to you guys out, there this is not THE nba

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Speaker 1: where style points. MATTER i, Mean westbrook is a guard

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Speaker 1: that can't. Shoot he'll make The hall Of fame and

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Speaker 1: should because his, Stylistically Russell westbrook athletically is so memorable

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Speaker 1: and so.

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Speaker 2: Unique he should make The hall Of.

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Speaker 1: Fame but he's a guard that doesn't shoot particularly, well

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Speaker 1: which is okay if you're a power forward in the,

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Speaker 1: seventies but you want your guards to shoot.

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Speaker 2: Well and that's not a knock On, westbrook First Ball

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Speaker 2: hall Of.

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Speaker 1: Famer but a lot of you guys get caught up

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Speaker 1: on style that this is not THE. Nba style doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Matter style matters in. Basketball basketball is a more artistic.

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Speaker 2: Sport.

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Speaker 1: Basketball everybody's jump shot birds look different Than, kobe's looked

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Speaker 1: different Than, michael's look different Than DOCTOR. J look different

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Speaker 1: Than Steph. Curry it's a style. Sport it. Matters you

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Speaker 1: can be A hall Of famer and never win a playoff,

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Speaker 1: game but in THE nfl you. Can't you got to

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Speaker 1: win playoff. Games and SO i know you think this

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Speaker 1: is an outrageous. COMMENT i have Seen goff go back

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Speaker 1: to the game in Which Jared goff as a ram

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Speaker 1: Outdueled Patrick mahomes and go look At Jared goffs receivers

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Speaker 1: in that.

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Speaker 2: Game there was No. Pooka.

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Speaker 1: Right, So Jared goff's a really good. Player and if

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Speaker 1: you ever here's another. Thing have you ever noticed With

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Speaker 1: Jared goff that his coordinators get head coaching. Jobs he's

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Speaker 1: like a stimulus package every coordinator he. Has everybody's, like,

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Speaker 1: man that's a good. Coordinator, yeah because they Have Jared

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Speaker 1: goff right, now he's completing over seventy five percent of his.

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Speaker 2: Throws, well, well he's got a good old.

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Speaker 1: Line so to The, colts sort of The Denver, broncos

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Speaker 1: sort to The Philadelphia, eagles and they can't get their offense.

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Speaker 1: Right philadelphia has got the best offensive line in. Football

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Speaker 1: they can't, pass they can't. Run Jared goff's completing seventy

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Speaker 1: five percent of his throws passer rating a one to twenty.

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Speaker 1: One and he's not real, mobile he's not real. Stylish

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Speaker 1: whatever you, Think i'm. Crazy Jared goff's in his. Prime

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Speaker 1: this offensive line in this front off. Us they just

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Speaker 1: drafted interior offensive. Lineman they're not getting rid Of Pennay.

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Speaker 1: Seol this offensive line's going nowhere. Nowhere rams his former

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Speaker 1: team have offensive line, Issues lions. Won't Here's Taylor, decker offensive,

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Speaker 1: tackle on what you get big praise for.

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Speaker 11: Golf we got a superstar quarterback who can do, everything

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Speaker 11: make every, throw knows the whole, playbook knows the, defenses prepares,

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Speaker 11: incredibly and he's not afraid to take a. Hit you,

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Speaker 11: know we don't want him to get, it but if

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Speaker 11: he has, to he's not.

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Speaker 1: Afraid go back to his, YouTube his cow. GAMES i

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Speaker 1: watched them get ragdalled at cal bad offensive. Lines the

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Speaker 1: guy kept standing up and taking the. Hits you think

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Speaker 1: WHEN i say That Jared Goff's hall Of, famer all

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Speaker 1: of you are.

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Speaker 2: Like, whoa, whoa. Whoa it's not even gonna be. Close

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Speaker 2: he got to a Super. Bowl go look at his.

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Speaker 2: Numbers they're.

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Speaker 1: Insane he's Like Kirk cousins with a much better. Arm

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Speaker 1: He's Matt ryan with a much better. Arm there's an

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Speaker 1: Argument goff's got the best mechanics in the. League he

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Speaker 1: has great, mechanics super. Accurate no we go and, again,

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Speaker 1: well he's got a good old.

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Speaker 2: Line so Does.

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia they can't figure out half their. Offense sort of The,

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Speaker 1: colts sort of The. Broncos he's second in touchdown passes

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Speaker 1: since twenty. Seventeen Jared goff.

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Speaker 2: Second you know What i'm.

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Speaker 1: Saying he's making The hall of. Fame Joel, klatt who

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Speaker 1: will make the broadcasting hall of. Fame he is around

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Speaker 1: the corner hour two and A, wednesday it's The hurt