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Speaker 1: M Hi, guys, and welcome back to this week's episode

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Speaker 1: of Let's Be Real Podcast. I'm your host, Sammy Jay,

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Speaker 1: and this week I got to chat with the incredibly

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Speaker 1: talented Madison Beer. Now you may know her from her

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Speaker 1: music from social media, but I genuinely love this conversation

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Speaker 1: so much because we talk a lot about how social

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Speaker 1: media has negatively affected her even though her career started

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Speaker 1: on social media. We talk about anxiety, touring music, girl

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Speaker 1: supporting girls, and so much more. I hope you guys enjoy. Yeah, Addison,

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Speaker 1: I am so excited that you are on my podcast.

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Speaker 1: It's Friday. First of all, Happy Friday. I have no

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Speaker 1: idea what day of the week it is or what

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Speaker 1: planet I'm on anymore, So Happy Friday, I guess, no

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Speaker 1: clue I know, But I mean, you're going on tour

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Speaker 1: so soon, leaving tomorrow. How do we feel about this?

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Speaker 1: Very excited, nervous. I'm like the most happy excited I've

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Speaker 1: been in so long, and I'm just like, I really

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Speaker 1: can't wait. It's been a very very long time since

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Speaker 1: I've toured or like done a concert, um, and I've

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Speaker 1: just been in rehearsals for the past month. So I

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Speaker 1: can't believe it's here, and I'm really really excited. What

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Speaker 1: are you looking forward to most? Um? I think it's

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Speaker 1: like I've done. You know, I did a concert live

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Speaker 1: stream when my album came out. Um, I did. I've

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Speaker 1: done like a few things here and there, but I

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Speaker 1: haven't performed any of this album or these songs for

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Speaker 1: my fans. So I think just like finally singing them

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Speaker 1: And um, I think that's probably what I'm the most

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Speaker 1: songs back to me. It's really cool, going to be

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Speaker 1: really cool. Like you said, you did the live stream performance,

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Speaker 1: but there's nothing like a live audience and getting that

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Speaker 1: like immediate feedback. What is that feeling like when you're

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Speaker 1: just on stage people know the words what you've written

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Speaker 1: relating to your experiences. Yeah, I mean it's a it's

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Speaker 1: I don't know think, especially that I haven't done it

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Speaker 1: not that I did before, but you know, it's like

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Speaker 1: really surreal because we've we've been through in a global

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Speaker 1: to actually see humans in person again. It's like Theies

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Speaker 1: So I think that like just having that connection that

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Speaker 1: it's going to be really special. Because I just I

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Speaker 1: all of which were my fans, like some of them

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Speaker 1: imagine how it's going to feel when it's a whole

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Speaker 1: gonna do like video tour diaries. I think, um, like

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Speaker 1: This album, you know, it got postponed first because of COVID,

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Speaker 1: and then it got postponed again. But it's been out

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Speaker 1: Has it made it more difficult or has it helped

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Speaker 1: your creative process? Would you say? Um? I think that

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Speaker 1: at first it was kind of this obviously like bummer

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Speaker 1: and that was, you know, getting to spend time my

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Speaker 1: And it definitely made me a better writer in a

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Speaker 1: I I but I wouldn't say it like hinder the

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Speaker 1: lesson you've learned about yourself through quarantine and just past

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Speaker 1: like who are you? What? What? Like? What are you what? Who?

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Speaker 1: What makes you tick? Like just really doing like a

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Speaker 1: But um, it was definitely still like a lot um.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm someone who relies on other people or

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm grateful for for what it did provide

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Speaker 1: I think you you just put it perfectly. Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 1: emotions and look at things through a new lens, get

429
00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:28,320
Speaker 1: another opinion. I don't know. I'm a bit therapy me too.

430
00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:29,960
Speaker 1: And I remember I used to be so ashamed of

431
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,000
Speaker 1: it because my old best friends, um would say the

432
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,879
Speaker 1: therapies for the crazy. After knowing that I went, I

433
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,159
Speaker 1: hate and I was like, no, not really, I'm just

434
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,240
Speaker 1: trying to better myself as a human. Like you should

435
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,000
Speaker 1: do that too, we should. Yeah, I think that's so.

436
00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,320
Speaker 1: It's so sad to me that like people like trying

437
00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,320
Speaker 1: to make it that people who struggle with their mental

438
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,239
Speaker 1: health or like crazy or like people who therapy are

439
00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,560
Speaker 1: like inherently going to some bad or I'm like, no,

440
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,920
Speaker 1: actually means I'm like one step ahead and I'm trying

441
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,720
Speaker 1: to look out for myself, um and get to know

442
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,480
Speaker 1: who I am. Um. I think a lot of people,

443
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm I can make this judgment about

444
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:06,960
Speaker 1: what you just said about your old best friend, like

445
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,439
Speaker 1: probably don't want to know, Like there's certain things that

446
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,880
Speaker 1: she probably doesn't want to acknowledge, And that's fine too,

447
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,159
Speaker 1: But like, don't say that we're crazy because we go

448
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 1: to therapy, Like just say that you don't want to

449
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,680
Speaker 1: learn certain things because you'd rather just leave those stones unturned.

450
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 1: That's fine too. And something that I've realized more recently

451
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,639
Speaker 1: is that if I hadn't struggled with O c D,

452
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 1: and if I hadn't gone through anxiety in my entire life,

453
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be where I am, and I wouldn't be

454
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 1: talking to you where we are right now. For sure,

455
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 1: you would be creating the art that you've created. And

456
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,399
Speaker 1: I think so it can suck it. It makes us

457
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 1: who we are, and I feel like we should embrace

458
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,440
Speaker 1: that more. Yeah, And I think that I'm like, I'm

459
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,400
Speaker 1: grateful that I've gone through things and I've come out

460
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 1: stronger the other side because I you know, I think

461
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 1: that I tried to speak to my fans and my

462
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 1: followers and whoever's listening about mental health, particularly a lot.

463
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 1: I try to talk about it as candidly as I can,

464
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,360
Speaker 1: and just like these people to know that they're not

465
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 1: alone in their struggles and they're not like the only

466
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 1: ones feeling that way. It's it's really important for me

467
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 1: because you know, like we said, social media is such

468
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 1: a false narrative all the time. We're all guilty of it.

469
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,400
Speaker 1: I know I am, and so I think that when

470
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 1: I can be candid and when I can do these

471
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 1: little live streams, even it's even if it's for like

472
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 1: just my die hard fan base who follows this private account,

473
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 1: that to me like impacts people and it makes people

474
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 1: realize they're not alone in their struggles. And that's like

475
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 1: really really important to me. And it feels like it's

476
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 1: like part of my life journey to like let people

477
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 1: know they're like not alone. Like I. It's like, really

478
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 1: what I care about the same here. And I feel like, also,

479
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 1: I remember, like that's what music is. I remember the

480
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 1: first time, um I listened to Julia Michael's song Anxiety

481
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 1: and I listened to those lyrics, I was like, I've

482
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 1: never related to something more and that's just the power

483
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 1: of music. And I feel like you're doing that. You've

484
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 1: done that with your past music, you're doing that with

485
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,199
Speaker 1: your album, and I think it's so incredible. I know

486
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,360
Speaker 1: you're working on your second album already, I am. Can

487
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 1: you please tell me a little bit um It's hard

488
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,160
Speaker 1: for to tell anything without spilling anything, but just like

489
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: a little tidbit, like maybe some themes, some constant themes

490
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 1: that run throughout cool. Sure, yeah, I think that. Like

491
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 1: the most constant theme is like the evolution from Life Support,

492
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,120
Speaker 1: which is kind of just like not that I feel

493
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: like Life Support was a breakup album per se, but

494
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 1: I was very much so going through a real breakup that,

495
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 1: like I wrote about a lot, and it was a

496
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: healing album. Sure, I love that, let's call it that.

497
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 1: And now it's kind of more the perspective of, like,

498
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 1: you know, what I've gone through and how I feel

499
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: like I've strengthened because of these things. And uh, it's

500
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 1: more like I don't want to say confidence, but it

501
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 1: feels like it's a lot more like in touch with

502
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 1: my emotions rather than questioning them. Does that make sense?

503
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: I like that, Like I don't know if that makes

504
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: any sense. No, it makes perfect sense. Yeah, just like

505
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: knowing knowing that like I'm valid and what I've experienced,

506
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 1: knowing that, like you know, my emotions are real instead

507
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: of like I feel like life support was a lot

508
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,239
Speaker 1: of me. Also, it was a lot of like just

509
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 1: talking about my ex and things that happened in our relationship.

510
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,439
Speaker 1: But I was like, I don't want to reduce myself

511
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: from my experiences down to like with this one relationship.

512
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: I feel like I've gone through a lot in my

513
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: fucking life and I want to talk about all of

514
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: the things. So it's definitely a way more like diverse

515
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,719
Speaker 1: somatic album. It's not just about an X as you ship.

516
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: I'm excited. Is this coming out soon or like a

517
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 1: little further away. It's a little further away just because tour,

518
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: Like I didn't really factor in how much work I'd

519
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,360
Speaker 1: be putting in for tour, Like I I've it's been

520
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 1: a lot, so I haven't had really time to finish

521
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,479
Speaker 1: it per se. So I'm gonna I'm gonna say, like,

522
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: hopefully top of next year is realistic. Okay, we have

523
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: to take one more quick break boat. When we come back,

524
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk more about your mental health and any

525
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: advice you'd give your younger self. We'll be right back.

526
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: How is your mental health been? When I have a

527
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: lot going on, I can get overwhelmed. How have you

528
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: been Are You've been doing okay with your rehearsals and

529
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: all that. You know, I'm the same. We're like, I

530
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 1: get really overwhelmed when I'm um doing a lot too,

531
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 1: because I feel like I have no time to do

532
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: things for myself, Like I'm leaving tomorrow and I'm like,

533
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: I still have to get my nails done and I

534
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: still love to do my eyebrows and like things like that,

535
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: and I haven't had any time to do them. So

536
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 1: I get overwhelmed when stuff like that happens. But because

537
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 1: it's tour, I'm just so excited and happy. So I'm

538
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: just like, yes, overwhelmed, but like I'm happily overwhelmed. I'm like,

539
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: keep keep overwhelming me. That's a perfect type of overwhelmed. Yeah,

540
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 1: I'm like this is great, and I'm I'm like I'm

541
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: so excited. I just can't believe it's like actually here

542
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: and I'm leaving tomorrow. That's so exciting. If you could

543
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: tell your younger self something or give your younger self

544
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: a piece of advice, will be I feel like my

545
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: only piece of advice would to be like, firstly, like

546
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: I know it's hard, but like please stop listening to

547
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: these people who literally just want to rip you down,

548
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 1: and like stop crying yourself to sleep every night, like

549
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: they'll never see you. Like it was a really hard

550
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 1: thing for me for a long time to like except

551
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: that people were seeing me in the wrong light and

552
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,479
Speaker 1: people just had the wrong idea of me, Like I

553
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: had to separate the idea of versus like the person,

554
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's hard for me as someone

555
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 1: who like struggles with anxiety and depression as well, and like, um,

556
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 1: like a lot of a lot of other ship I

557
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: being seen and being validated and like feeling like I'm

558
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: genuinely translating who I am to the public, like has

559
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: been important to me because I've been someone like I've

560
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: been followed or whatever since I was twelve. That like

561
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: it's become part of my life where like I want

562
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: people to you know, know me, and I don't want

563
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 1: to ever come across like different. And I had to

564
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: add a certain point just be like there are always

565
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: going to be people who have the wrong idea of you,

566
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: and there's always going to be people who do not

567
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 1: see you the way you want to be seen, and

568
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 1: that's okay. And there are people who do, and even

569
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: if it's a smaller number, or even if it feels

570
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 1: like a smaller number, and it's not like I've had

571
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 1: to just try to live with that. So I would

572
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 1: definitely tell my younger self, like, you know, as long

573
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: as you know that you're good, and as long as

574
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,719
Speaker 1: you know that you have good intentions and um, as

575
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: long as you can go to sleep with yourself at night,

576
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: then I then I would I would tell my younger

577
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: self to just be okay with that. I don't just

578
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 1: like give her a big hog and I'd be like, hey,

579
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: kids are gonna be fine, and like you're going to

580
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: turn out great, and I have faith is that you're

581
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: going to find your way. So yeah, I think you

582
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: are putting your experiences so beautifully into music and Reckless

583
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: is so incredible and Life Support like and I'm not

584
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: just saying that, I'm really not Like it's not only

585
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: is your storytelling incredible, but I love the instrumentation behind

586
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: all of it. Is there a certain song that I'm

587
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: sure you go in waves and relating two different songs

588
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: you've written at different times. Is there a certain songs

589
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 1: from Life Support that you are currently relating to more

590
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: right now than others. That's interesting. Uh No, I think that,

591
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: like I go through phases of like, what's my favorite,

592
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 1: I always say that Effortlessly is like my favorite. It's

593
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: just I just love the song in general. But um,

594
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: I think like rehearsals has given me a new love

595
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 1: from my song Homesick because I just like love it

596
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: and it's so cute, and I just like, I love

597
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: what we're doing in the show for it? Are you

598
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: can include a little Rick and Morty part as well?

599
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: It is in the show? Yes, you know I still

600
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 1: haven't gone to Rick and Morty. You're really fucking up

601
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: and missing out. But I know I am, and I've

602
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: seen episodes and I've loved it. I just haven't watched

603
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: it all the way through very very much my life. Um,

604
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: but you should watch it. I won't peer pressure you

605
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: because I think you should get into it on your

606
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: own time. But it's really really good. I will DM

607
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: you after I watch it, and I will let you

608
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: know my thoughts. Also, where do you go to school?

609
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: You like should come to a show? Um? Yes, please,

610
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: I just moved out to California. I'm actually from New York. Cool,

611
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: So okay, we'll come to the l Show or the

612
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: San France or or the San Diego Show, whatever show

613
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: you like. Wait, when is this, uh the end of November,

614
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: I'm coming. Yeah, Oh my god, we'll be able to

615
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: meet in person. You're coming, you have to come? Oh

616
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: my goodness. Yeah, Madison, thank you so much for coming

617
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: on my podcast. I feel like these conversations aren't happening enough,

618
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: and it's all about these surface level stuff. So I'm

619
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: just very happy, thank you for just opening up and

620
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: being you, because it's wonderful and it should be celebrated.

621
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: You're so cute and it's really awesome that, like I

622
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: know that I'm not much older than you, but I

623
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: tend to like view the younger generation a bit of

624
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: a negative light, just because I feel like a lot

625
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: of like what I think, what I associate like nineteen

626
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: year olds too is like TikTok and like, you know, like,

627
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: and I associate TikTok to like negative like hate and

628
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: like people I feel like are like super cutthroat at

629
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: your age, and I mean, I'm sure you've experienced it,

630
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,959
Speaker 1: so I think it's really really hope and you should

631
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: like be really proud of yourself for being so young

632
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: and having this mindset. And I mean, you're literally like

633
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: my little brother's age, and I look at like him

634
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: and his friends, like they're so young, and I'm just like,

635
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: oh my god, you guys like don't care about any

636
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: of that kind of stuff, and like mental health isn't

637
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: something that they give a shit about. And I mean

638
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: they're boys or whatever. They're different. Boys are a different breed.

639
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: Different breed for sure, But I think that it's awesome

640
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: that someone your age like cares to have these conversations

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Speaker 1: and wants to and like I could tell that you're

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Speaker 1: genuinely passionate about it, and it means a lot to

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Speaker 1: someone like me who is like a mental health advocate.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like I kind of sometimes don't like

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Speaker 1: break through to younger people because I feel like they don't,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe care about it as much you're

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Speaker 1: reading to it as deeply. But I think I think

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Speaker 1: what you're doing is great and I'm really proud of

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Speaker 1: you and happy that you are doing this. It's it's

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Speaker 1: really really cool. That means a lot. And I feel like,

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Speaker 1: you know, especially this industry, like we us girls got

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Speaker 1: to support each other. Like there's enough competition in the

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Speaker 1: world and there shouldn't be any with girls, and the

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Speaker 1: fact that there is any ridiculous. So I'm glad that

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Speaker 1: we can all support each other and I'm excited to

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Speaker 1: meet you in person, come to your show. Yes you

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Speaker 1: have to come. And it's I totally agree. I think that,

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Speaker 1: like the narrative about just being a woman and like

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Speaker 1: having to literally compete with other women all the time

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Speaker 1: is so dark and sad, and I think it's just

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Speaker 1: like a flaw, the many flaws in society, it's one

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Speaker 1: of them, and like, you know, yeah, we should all

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Speaker 1: be there to uplift each other and be kind and

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Speaker 1: like it's just life is too short to be a

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Speaker 1: fucking dick. Like truthfully, that's it. Yeah, that's what it

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Speaker 1: comes down to. It's what it comes down to. And

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Speaker 1: it's just like it's so crazy. It's crazy to me

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Speaker 1: that it's not like a common thing, but it's not.

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Speaker 1: Can we change that? Let's change that. I really would

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Speaker 1: like to what's your sign? I need to ask, and

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Speaker 1: I need to know. I'm a lie? Whoa surprising? Okay, cool?

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Speaker 1: Really what do you think I went? I didn't honestly,

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Speaker 1: I didn't think anything. I was going to get Sagittarius,

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Speaker 1: which is like pretty opposite to Leo, like bye bye.

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Speaker 1: But also that's I think that's because I like usually

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Speaker 1: associate leos with like partying and being like super like hype,

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Speaker 1: and so I'm seeing you in a different light maybe

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Speaker 1: if I know you a girl, No, I am. My

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Speaker 1: ideal night is like watching Jenna Marble's YouTube videos like

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Speaker 1: doing a face mask. That's what. That's what. That's my

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Speaker 1: ideal night. I'm not a big but you know what,

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Speaker 1: it depends on my mood. I guess I feel like

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Speaker 1: I've also just like coming out with a lot of

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Speaker 1: leos who are like pretty like wild. So I don't know. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm excited that we have met each other virtually, and

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to meet you in person. And You're the best.

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Speaker 1: You're the best. Thank you so much, seriously, this was

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Speaker 1: really fun. Thank you guys so much for listening to

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Speaker 1: this week's episode of Less Biro podcast. If you haven't

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Speaker 1: listened to Life Support, or if you haven't bought tickets

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Speaker 1: to Madison's Score, I I only recommend you do. Madison,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on my podcast. I

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Speaker 1: genuinely really appreciate this conversation. It helped me a lot

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Speaker 1: actually and inspired me. Also, if you haven't already, subscribed

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Speaker 1: to the podcast and follow me on Instagram at its

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Speaker 1: Sammy J. That's I T S S A M M

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Speaker 1: Y J A y E. I will see you guys

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