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Speaker 1: Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us well wait,
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Speaker 1: getting you ready to the twenty seventeen season. Over Philadelphia
Speaker 1: Eagles are your champions. We have officially it's always draft season.
Speaker 1: We officially say it's draft season. It's officially draft season.
Speaker 1: Like we don't have a problem anymore. I wanted to
Speaker 1: talk about the draft. No, and you always tweet out
Speaker 1: how much you love football and how much you love
Speaker 1: to watch football. I do, And so now you know
Speaker 1: your focus will be on the draft. You should be
Speaker 1: watching players getting ready for this thing, saying I wasn't. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it as a fan. You should. Oh, okay,
Speaker 1: if you're even know, if you're having withdrawals, go watch
Speaker 1: you some college players. Yeah, go get you started that out.
Speaker 1: Go get you some highlight tapes. Go shopping, Go shopping.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. Help this team get better. That's Dane
Speaker 1: Burglar's voice, David Hellman as well Ken Garrison, executive producing. Well,
Speaker 1: maybe take some calls later in the second half to Dan, know, Dave,
Speaker 1: you want to get into some stuff about Philadelphia and
Speaker 1: some of the draft picks and things like that. I
Speaker 1: agree with that. We maybe take some calls later on
Speaker 1: as well. Eight eight eight eight five five two two
Speaker 1: ninety seven. If you are so inclined, We'll do twitter
Speaker 1: on the twenty as we always do. But I want
Speaker 1: to start this day with I'm gonna get you guys
Speaker 1: to try and trade. I'm gonna get you guys to
Speaker 1: back up here if you're the Dallas Cowboys or think
Speaker 1: about it at nineteen okay, because we always talking, and
Speaker 1: maybe we'll do another show where we talk about how
Speaker 1: aggressive we need to be here too. If a player,
Speaker 1: But I want to know how far back are you
Speaker 1: willing to go? You know, how far back are you
Speaker 1: willing to go? Is there it? Now? We've we've kind
Speaker 1: of talked about the players that are there, you know,
Speaker 1: the ones that you know at nineteen you're a little
Speaker 1: bit of mercy of the board. You know, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to figure out who's exactly there. If you if you
Speaker 1: look at Dane Brugler's mock draft, which this is first one,
Speaker 1: and what I and I want you to get into
Speaker 1: using your top fifty because I think now we're kind
Speaker 1: of a little bit better understanding. But if you look
Speaker 1: at Dane's board, some of the guys that we've talked
Speaker 1: about here, you know, Roquant Smith nine San Francisco. How
Speaker 1: about Vita Vea going to the Raiders at ten? Oh okay,
Speaker 1: now we're starting to get a little nervous. Well, Jermaine Edmonds,
Speaker 1: linebacker Virginia Tech. He turns around and goes to the
Speaker 1: Dolphins at eleven. These are guys we're talking about every week,
Speaker 1: you know, possible picks for the Cowboys at nineteen. Dron
Speaker 1: Payne's second round guy, Marcus Davenport, how about him going
Speaker 1: to Green Bay at fourteen? Getting a little nervous, yet,
Speaker 1: get a little nervous that your guy, you can't get
Speaker 1: up there because these teams are making picks. I don't
Speaker 1: think I'm nervous because we're not. You know, we're not
Speaker 1: picking twenty eighth. We're picking nineteen. Okay, I'll just throw
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley and you're just gonna stay scenario. I'll just
Speaker 1: keep throwing names at you this, keep throwing names until
Speaker 1: I don't like. I'll throw Derwin James at you. There's
Speaker 1: at seventeen to the to the Chargers. Okay. Now we're
Speaker 1: sitting there thinking, are we happy the way the board's
Speaker 1: going right now? Of course not? But not and we
Speaker 1: can't get up in there. We're stuck. We're stuck because
Speaker 1: we can't get up in there because we'll have to
Speaker 1: overpay to go get one of those guys. And I
Speaker 1: think you need to expect a scenario like that. I
Speaker 1: totally agree. You have to go into the draft thinking
Speaker 1: that those five or six players that you just mentioned
Speaker 1: will not be available, and that has to be your play. Now.
Speaker 1: If one of those five or six are available, and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys view them as highly as we do, yeah,
Speaker 1: then by all means pounds, get your guy. But if
Speaker 1: you get wiped out, which is a very likely scenario, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what is you know plan? Well, let me ask you this,
Speaker 1: Can I interject real? Surely? May? I just want to
Speaker 1: and I get, you know, I get the purpose of
Speaker 1: the exercise. And I like, you should be prepared for
Speaker 1: any and all scenarios. I get that, But picking at nineteen,
Speaker 1: you know you have sixteen to twenty first round grades
Speaker 1: for any given draft. I usually think it's like eighteen
Speaker 1: to twenty. But y'all, I'm going with you. Ye fourteen,
Speaker 1: There you go that. I just I feel good about
Speaker 1: the odds that they all feel good about a player
Speaker 1: that's there at nineteen. I don't think you can realistically
Speaker 1: wipe out every single option that they like. You don't
Speaker 1: think that, I know, well, you have to go into
Speaker 1: this draft liking somebody at nineteen. Okay, under Dane scenario.
Speaker 1: Having said that, I do. I mean, every one of
Speaker 1: those players that I mentioned we've talked about at some
Speaker 1: point in time on this show. Yes, and we got
Speaker 1: a long way to go to get to the end. Yes,
Speaker 1: But I'm trying to make you think about and I
Speaker 1: can't get this thing. I don't want to use assets
Speaker 1: to go up. No. If okay, and then they might,
Speaker 1: they very well might. But for us right now, I mean,
Speaker 1: I know you give me picks, Give me picks, give
Speaker 1: me picks. There's not gonna be much suspense here if
Speaker 1: we get wiped out like it looks like it's like
Speaker 1: saying that mock draft scenario. Move me back, all of ye,
Speaker 1: give me a second round, give me a third round.
Speaker 1: Let's let's figure something out where we can get back.
Speaker 1: And I'm comfortable with that. All right? Yes? Again, how
Speaker 1: far back we want to go? Let's look at some teams.
Speaker 1: Buffalo's got picks at twenty one and twenty two back
Speaker 1: to back. Dallas is picked by the way folks on
Speaker 1: their chart. On their chart, I will repeat, which no,
Speaker 1: two teams have the same nose, two teams have the
Speaker 1: same But on the Dallas Cowboys chart, which I hold
Speaker 1: in my hands, Dallas's pick is work worth eight hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy five points. Now we start talking about going back.
Speaker 1: We look at Buffalo, that number that one twenty two,
Speaker 1: it's worth seven eighty at a third round pick? You
Speaker 1: okay with that? Yeah? To go to twenty two? Yeah? Okay?
Speaker 1: Now give me a guy, then you would consider under
Speaker 1: your doomsday scenario where everybody gets wiped out, give me
Speaker 1: a guy. We're looking at we're looking at when we're
Speaker 1: looking at Hernandez, who are we looking at there? I
Speaker 1: think you look on a defensive line. I mean more,
Speaker 1: he's Hurst because first there. Yeah, okay, Now, if we
Speaker 1: stay at nineteen, according to your mock, Hurst is a
Speaker 1: Dallas cowboy. That's one possibility. Yeah, okay, realistic possibility. And
Speaker 1: that is a realistic possibility. I believe you're absolutely right there, right, okay,
Speaker 1: but say that, okay Hurst. If we don't say Hurst,
Speaker 1: we trade out and we don't, yeah, we don't take Hurst.
Speaker 1: First goes nineteen, First goes nineteen to the team we
Speaker 1: just traded. Okay, Now we're sitting at twenty two. Give
Speaker 1: me a guy. We're still looking at those that We're
Speaker 1: looking at those offensive linemen. You look at defensive lineman.
Speaker 1: What are you looking at? You start to look at
Speaker 1: the offensive lineman. Isaiah Wynn, Billy Price Er, big guard
Speaker 1: maybe yeah, he played mostly guard at Ohio's Day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he can certainly do it. I think you're looking at
Speaker 1: those two, no question. Then you look at corner I know,
Speaker 1: you know, we look at the cornerback position as maybe
Speaker 1: it's not a strength of this team, but it's a
Speaker 1: potential strength of this team. When you talk about the
Speaker 1: second or third round picks from last year, Woozier and
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis you think about what you're gonna get from
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown in year three. We'll see what happens with
Speaker 1: Orlando Scandrick. So it's not necessarily a strength, but as
Speaker 1: the potential to be a strength. With where we are
Speaker 1: right now, you don't necessarily need to go in that direction.
Speaker 1: But listen, every NFL team needs more help a corner.
Speaker 1: You think out Hughes, I mean Ward hadn't been taken here?
Speaker 1: Do you take Ward Over's top ten? Okay? Top ten? Okay,
Speaker 1: So that means Hughes, Mike Hughes, Jack Jackson, Jackson, Yeah, Iowa.
Speaker 1: I like Jay Alexandra a lot. Yeah, Louisville corner, I
Speaker 1: think in that mix. So I think corner or interior
Speaker 1: offensive line would be kind of those targets. Okay, with that,
Speaker 1: I feel we had this conversation last week, didn't we.
Speaker 1: I I feel better drafting a starter onto my offensive
Speaker 1: line than whatever's going on in the secondary. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: Dane's assessment was really good. Like, it's not necessarily a
Speaker 1: strength of this team. But again, I think I use
Speaker 1: the word efficiency last week like I want my I
Speaker 1: want my Day one pick to be immediately starting and
Speaker 1: either I mean, so you drafting a corner here, you
Speaker 1: run the risk that he can't beat one of the
Speaker 1: other guys out, or if he does, then you got
Speaker 1: another premium draft pick who's not contributing. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't win in a third round pick at twenty two.
Speaker 1: Doesn't sound like a bad idea for me. It sounds great. Okay.
Speaker 1: I've been very anti offensive line at number at number, Well,
Speaker 1: I know you have, but you're trying to You're you're
Speaker 1: just trying to I'm trying to get you to tell
Speaker 1: me who's there. What I'm saying. If you get if
Speaker 1: just because you know, I don't know, I struggle with that.
Speaker 1: But if you give me an extra pick, I can
Speaker 1: feel a lot better about offensive Yeah I can. So
Speaker 1: I'm trying to. Yeah, okay, let me ask you this. Okay,
Speaker 1: So we would do that thinking about that at twenty
Speaker 1: two and twenty three. That's the rams. So that's so
Speaker 1: I'm I'm bad at math. But if you took if
Speaker 1: you took that deal from Buffalo, you're probably you're the
Speaker 1: pick you're getting in somewhere around like eighty five. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I'm adding a top one hundred pick and getting
Speaker 1: still a guy that you would consider a starter, and
Speaker 1: you're doing the same You're basically doing the same thing
Speaker 1: with the Rams if you went to twenty three. Holler
Speaker 1: at me, are we thinking about the same players? Let's go, hey,
Speaker 1: now we're gonna Now we're right, that's only a one
Speaker 1: spot drop. Okay, But I'm just saying though, maybe somebody,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe it's something different. Sorry, like I'm sorry to
Speaker 1: live in the past when I'm just looking at your
Speaker 1: chart that says dropping back to thirty one should net
Speaker 1: you a second round pick. Yeah, it's not what the
Speaker 1: Cowboys got when they did that last No, that's true,
Speaker 1: and that's why I'm trying to get you. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to I'm trying to educate the fans here. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: expect more. Now, well I was gonna. Now I'm educated,
Speaker 1: and they better better get their fair compensation this time.
Speaker 1: That sucked. No, absolutely, that's that was a That was
Speaker 1: a bad panic move, is what that was. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was that was not having a good plan coming out
Speaker 1: of eighteen. Well, I mean, let's kind of what we've
Speaker 1: been talking about is a little bit of panic. Because
Speaker 1: if we get wiped out at nineteen, you should start
Speaker 1: seeing where Okay, whereabouts do you start seeing things really
Speaker 1: being bad for you when you when you lose, I
Speaker 1: mean looking to get at your but when you lose
Speaker 1: Ridley at sixteen, you better be getting on the phone, right,
Speaker 1: You better be getting on the phone. You think Ridley
Speaker 1: falls that far, Yes, you do. He's the first receiver.
Speaker 1: I like Ridley a lot, and I again I think
Speaker 1: he'd being a perfect fit in this offense. But it's
Speaker 1: because he is more of that Z he's he's a
Speaker 1: high end two for me. He's not a future number
Speaker 1: one in my opinion. He's a high end two, and
Speaker 1: for a lot of people they feel good about, you know,
Speaker 1: getting that wide receiver at a two in the second round,
Speaker 1: maybe even the third round. So a first round pick,
Speaker 1: a premium pick, it is asking a lot. But for
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley, I would absolutely use a mid first round
Speaker 1: pick on him. And I think there's a good chance
Speaker 1: he falls out of the top ten. Then you need
Speaker 1: to think about if maybe that's a move up man,
Speaker 1: that's for another day, another show. If he gets to sixteen,
Speaker 1: we know that the Ravens are looking for skill, but anyway,
Speaker 1: that's another day, another show. Okay, So we kind of
Speaker 1: feel like the Buffalo deal were good. The Rams thing
Speaker 1: at twenty three would still net you a three. We're
Speaker 1: good with that, okay, Caroline, at twenty four nets you three?
Speaker 1: Are we still talking about the same players now, you
Speaker 1: know we're still talking about the same guys We've passed.
Speaker 1: We've passed players at twenty two or excuse me, passed
Speaker 1: Detroit Buffalo Buffalo Rams the further and you know, the
Speaker 1: the greedy pick fan in me like, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's fall all the way down to thirty one and
Speaker 1: get that second round pick. But I'm freaked out by
Speaker 1: what Dane's telling me about my options. Really. I mean, well, Brian,
Speaker 1: you would your opinion. Is there a player that you
Speaker 1: would be targeting in a trade back? Is there one
Speaker 1: specific player that you would be targeting. Yeah, I'll be
Speaker 1: looking at Win, right, and that's that's that's my guy.
Speaker 1: If I'm gonna trade back, I'm looking I'm looking to
Speaker 1: get my starting left guard. I have a first round
Speaker 1: grade on Hurst, so if if he if he's taken
Speaker 1: at nineteen, I'm okay with that. I'll also have a
Speaker 1: first round grade on mc clinchy, the tackle offensive tackle
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Yeah, but Okay, So how far back would
Speaker 1: you feel comfortable going and still feeling great about getting win?
Speaker 1: All right, look at the teams, Okay, look at the teams.
Speaker 1: Look at teams that potentially could use offensive lineman. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's I mean just think about just see yeah
Speaker 1: and all exactly. But I'm just saying right now, right,
Speaker 1: Rams look like they're much they're pretty set. Carolina, they're
Speaker 1: gonna lose probably Norwelle the guard. Yeah, I would imagine
Speaker 1: they could use offensive line home. Yeah. Yeah, Carolina is
Speaker 1: really a wild card with their GM situation and yeah,
Speaker 1: with Hernie and all that, so that Carolina is a
Speaker 1: wild card. They could do here. Um, Tennessee, they could
Speaker 1: use more help in the interior offensive Atlanta, Atlanta. I
Speaker 1: think they're okay, they could use a guard, but I
Speaker 1: don't think they'd go here a guard in the first
Speaker 1: New Orleans, I think they're set. So there's a lot
Speaker 1: of maybes. Yeah, not like uh oh, he's win is
Speaker 1: not falling. So so to your point, Dave, moving moving
Speaker 1: into moving into the range of twenty eight, Yeah, where
Speaker 1: you would start to get the second round pick. Well,
Speaker 1: is it worth it to you to go to twenty eight. Well,
Speaker 1: I think here's I think we have to be realistic
Speaker 1: about who's going to trade up too. Yeah, so let's
Speaker 1: let's take all you want to look at who the
Speaker 1: aggressive teams could be. Well, and that's okay, why abody
Speaker 1: needs to be there? By the way, well, that's the point.
Speaker 1: Why are we moving back Because we don't feel great
Speaker 1: about the options at nineteen, right, So there has to
Speaker 1: be someone of value there for a team willing to
Speaker 1: give up a second round or second or third round
Speaker 1: pick to move up. So who is that player? Maybe
Speaker 1: one of those corners. What about the quarterback? Quarterback is
Speaker 1: always gonna make somebody move Buffalo, Buffalo makes sense in
Speaker 1: that regard. Well, and that's but I think that's why
Speaker 1: it makes sense for one of these other teams and
Speaker 1: get in front of Buffalo. Yeah yeah, that's if Buffalo
Speaker 1: is picking twenty one and twenty two. In my what
Speaker 1: if you're New Orleans, I'm thinking Buffalo goes up to
Speaker 1: make sure they get their guy. Very possible. What if
Speaker 1: you're New Orleans, that's an aggressive team at twenty seven,
Speaker 1: which I just selfishly I would love it if Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield wound up there. So that's what I'm saying, if
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield somehow ends up at Dallas at nineteens on
Speaker 1: the board and you're Sean Payton and you're thinking about
Speaker 1: grabbing a quarterback, is that a team that you could
Speaker 1: say that, Hey, then that right there, that's going to
Speaker 1: twenty seven and that's picking up a three and a four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just but I don't. I don't think it's very
Speaker 1: realistic because I don't think Mayfield's getting out of the
Speaker 1: top fifteen. I just can't. So you're saying Arizona at fifteen, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of his floor. I just don't
Speaker 1: see him falling that far. About Miami at eleven, very possible. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: Mayfield could go top five easy. Yeah. So no, No,
Speaker 1: I don't just okay, I think we have to look
Speaker 1: at which would be would somebody trade for Alan? I
Speaker 1: would be shocked. Would Alan be the guy that somebody
Speaker 1: comes for? There is which I know, I'm We've talked
Speaker 1: about him a lot. But is Alan our new Paxton Lynch?
Speaker 1: Is there any possibility that that happens? No, don't look
Speaker 1: at me. Nobody saw him fall in the twenty nine,
Speaker 1: was it? Yeah? Yeah, that's yeah, right around range these
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are tough because I think there's a a very
Speaker 1: very good chance all four go top fifteen. Okay, the
Speaker 1: top Hey, that's shoving a guy your direction or two possibly,
Speaker 1: but four went in this mock draft in the top
Speaker 1: fifteen and we still got wiped out. Did you did
Speaker 1: you have all four going? Yeah? I think Darnald one,
Speaker 1: I think was it Rosen two? But I'm sorry, Darnald one,
Speaker 1: Rosen two? You had Alan five h going down the
Speaker 1: board here? No, you do not have Mayfield? Was Mayfield
Speaker 1: was fifteen Arizona? Right, So, and we had to factor
Speaker 1: in Kirk Cousins going somewhere. You know, that could be Buffalo,
Speaker 1: could be the Jets, It could be it's gonna wipe
Speaker 1: out one of those quarterback options in the draft. You
Speaker 1: kind of hope that that Cousins. If you're a Cowboy fan,
Speaker 1: you're kind of hoping that Cousins does go to one
Speaker 1: of those teams. Though, doesn't it maybe maybe allow a
Speaker 1: quarterback to get to you? Yeah, because then when you
Speaker 1: look at it, Okay, what are the chances Jacksonville might
Speaker 1: make a move. Did they really believe in a Blake Bordles?
Speaker 1: I don't think they they can. I don't think they
Speaker 1: can blake boards on a one year contract. And what
Speaker 1: do you see that's a team? If I'm cousins, I
Speaker 1: go to Minnesota or Jacksonville, the places I go, those
Speaker 1: look like ready made teams to me. Yeah, a chance
Speaker 1: to win. Some whispers that maybe he likes Minnesota better.
Speaker 1: You know what don't they have? You know? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean you're ready to go from day one right there.
Speaker 1: But I'm just I guess the point I'm trying to
Speaker 1: make is here, how greedy do you really want to be?
Speaker 1: And I'm from the school of never trade away from
Speaker 1: a great player. Never, And if you feel like, if
Speaker 1: you feel like that win could be a great player,
Speaker 1: or one of those cores could be a great player,
Speaker 1: you don't trade. You know, the tackle from Michigan, I meant, well, this,
Speaker 1: you know hurt. I mean, if you feel like he's
Speaker 1: gonna be a great player, don't trade away from him
Speaker 1: standing there and make the pick. But I'm trying to
Speaker 1: get you to think, if you start to get wiped
Speaker 1: out and you don't feel good about taking a three technique,
Speaker 1: you know, and I doing my top fifty, which I'll
Speaker 1: post this week, and I'll tweet out the link. But
Speaker 1: I found it interesting that I had one offensive lineman
Speaker 1: in my top seventeen. I was Nelson, Right, I have
Speaker 1: Win at eighteen. That's that's where win is. Uh, Billy
Speaker 1: Price at twenty one will hurt Nandez twenty seven. So
Speaker 1: in the top twenty seven, I have no offensive tackles right,
Speaker 1: and I've got four interior offensive linemen. So if I'm
Speaker 1: trading back, I'm looking to get win and if he's
Speaker 1: at he's not there. I'm still in the area where
Speaker 1: I feel comfortable with drafting and will Hernandez. So you know,
Speaker 1: that's a I think that's a risk I'm willing to take.
Speaker 1: But you're gonna do it for the pick. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's you're doing it right, And and Okay, at
Speaker 1: what point do you feel like though you could still
Speaker 1: get her Nandez twenty five, I'm twenty six. I was yeah,
Speaker 1: all the way back to the end of the round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's yeah, that's fair. So it's on everything
Speaker 1: we've said about him. So if you were trading back
Speaker 1: and your your intent was to get Win and a pick,
Speaker 1: you're and you didn't all of a sudden that backfires
Speaker 1: on you. I need to be somewhere in the twenties. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could. Will her Nandez go thirty one in New England?
Speaker 1: Sure it's possible. Yeah, so I didn't get to stay
Speaker 1: in the twenties. If you really want to get one
Speaker 1: of those two guards, is the cornerback is going to
Speaker 1: be better than a guard? I know you're gonna get it.
Speaker 1: I think that. I think either her Nandez or Win.
Speaker 1: Is this Day one starter? By the way, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely there are a Day one starter. I take Win
Speaker 1: over her Nande's. Let's get really wild. You could draft
Speaker 1: a corner and moved Cheet to obey a Wuzier to
Speaker 1: the safety if you wanted to. I know a lot
Speaker 1: of people are against that, and I don't blame him.
Speaker 1: The way we saw a Wuzier play at corner down
Speaker 1: the stretch, I don't. For the record, I wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to move him. I thought he played really well down
Speaker 1: the list. Yeah, I agree, But in order to get
Speaker 1: most number of guys on the field as possible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And isn't that what they're kind of what they're doing
Speaker 1: with Byron? I mean, instead of of seeing what he
Speaker 1: could do a corner, keeping him at safety just because
Speaker 1: that's where the personnel fits best with this current structure.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's tough. They kind of backed themselves
Speaker 1: into a corner here with these safeties. Trying to trying
Speaker 1: to fit a first round draft pick into what they
Speaker 1: already have at in the secondary gives me a headache,
Speaker 1: whereas drafting a guard doesn't give me a headache at all.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh, yeah, he's the left guard. I
Speaker 1: just it's just I like point simplicity, right, plug him,
Speaker 1: plug him, play, let's go. You might you might just
Speaker 1: take that guard at nineteen too, Yeah, good, you could.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't I don't know the offensive line my
Speaker 1: rationale here. The offensive line is already your strength. Wait,
Speaker 1: so where where do you are well going? You've been
Speaker 1: saying all along you don't want to draft an offense,
Speaker 1: but I'm trying to. I gave him a pick and
Speaker 1: he's all four. And that's what I'm saying. It's like,
Speaker 1: you can you can entice me with a pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm easy, all right, we can get we gotta get ready,
Speaker 1: get ready, good to break. You do it at nineteen.
Speaker 1: Just to give you an example here, what the doubt
Speaker 1: what Dallas can get out of this. Before we get
Speaker 1: out of yere Buffalo again, we did the pick at
Speaker 1: twenty two, that would be a third. The Rams pick
Speaker 1: at twenty three is a third, Carolina's pick at twenty
Speaker 1: four is a third, and Tennessee's pick at twenty five
Speaker 1: is a third. Now we get into multiple picks. Atlanta
Speaker 1: at twenty six is a three and a five. New
Speaker 1: Orleans at twenty seven is a three and a four.
Speaker 1: That's a thought. Now we get into the second round
Speaker 1: picks Pittsburgh at twenty eight, Jacksonville at twenty nine, Minnesota
Speaker 1: at thirty, New England at thirty one, And if you
Speaker 1: want to trade all the way back to Philadelphia, they
Speaker 1: would have to give you a second and a sixth.
Speaker 1: The mare I think about this the and I know
Speaker 1: we got to go to break, but teams only do
Speaker 1: trades like that for quarterbacks. Stains right, and so I mean,
Speaker 1: which I could at least you could convince me maybe
Speaker 1: Buffalo moves up two spots. You saw you know San
Speaker 1: Francisco came and got that safety right read with Dallas.
Speaker 1: A good point was the trade that got you and
Speaker 1: you and you underpaid. Let me let me amend that
Speaker 1: you don't see it often. Yeah, I mean Atlanta went
Speaker 1: up two spots to get Tack McKinley last year. Like
Speaker 1: that I could believe. So, I mean, you could convince
Speaker 1: me maybe Buffalo comes up to get a non quarterback,
Speaker 1: but I have a hard time believing. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Minnesota or Philadelphia is gonna jump that far for anybody
Speaker 1: but a quarterback real quick. Derwin James is there at nineteen.
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh is offering their second round pick to trade up
Speaker 1: and get him. Do you move back to Pittsburgh's pick
Speaker 1: plus a second or do you take Derwin James? I
Speaker 1: that's well, okay, because tough. Let me think about this
Speaker 1: because I'm I'm you know what, I have first round
Speaker 1: grade on Derwin James, and I think he's a really
Speaker 1: good player. Don't, don't, don't, don't trade away from a
Speaker 1: great player. But yeah, exactly exactly like he's But this
Speaker 1: seems like he might be a super freak. I don't know.
Speaker 1: This is the deal though, you're running into because you
Speaker 1: get you get a Pittsburgh's second round pick would be
Speaker 1: really kind of like a late early third Yeah okay,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, be like yeah, but you're once again the
Speaker 1: top one hundred, but now you're in a situation where
Speaker 1: you're gonna draft Hernandez there, right, that's that's your guy.
Speaker 1: If you make the Pittsburgh trade or Jacksonville or Minnesota
Speaker 1: or New England or Philly, you're looking at her Nandy's
Speaker 1: her Nandie's in a second round player. Is that worth
Speaker 1: it to you? I don't, that's the question. And no.
Speaker 1: I mean that's what that's what makes you think. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like Eric Reid and Frederick all over again. Exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Frederick was okay for the Cowboys. Read the value. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the value wasn't there. Yeah, but it's still turned out
Speaker 1: Frederick in a third round pick. You're like going, okay,
Speaker 1: I mean they got Terence Williams with that third round pick,
Speaker 1: an all pro and a much maligned but starting caliber
Speaker 1: player over Yeah, And I mean Eric Reid has been
Speaker 1: fine for most of his career, but he's not Ed Reid. No, no, so,
Speaker 1: but what after when James is though? I just say, see,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that is a very good question.
Speaker 1: That's why the draft is. If you if you know,
Speaker 1: if you and you guys said it yourselves safety things
Speaker 1: kind of weird right now? Yeah, okay, but but I
Speaker 1: mean I don't know, I and I know you know,
Speaker 1: his tape can be inconsistent and all that type of stuff.
Speaker 1: But like, Derwin James has the potential to be that
Speaker 1: type of guy that like an Earl Thomas, And that's
Speaker 1: why he's there at nineteen is because it's a potential.
Speaker 1: But it's and that's that's a little bit scary. But
Speaker 1: it kind of reminds me of MALIEK. Cooker. I don't
Speaker 1: think Derwin James is his tape is as good as
Speaker 1: Malie Cookers not, but it's but you're just like, well,
Speaker 1: why why is this guy falling like to the weird
Speaker 1: to the point where I think it would be a
Speaker 1: mistake on eighteen other teams parts if he fell that
Speaker 1: far in the first place. Yeah, all right, I'll take
Speaker 1: you out of this and you watch this team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: would you rather have a safety or a guard? I
Speaker 1: am if we're being honest, I'm very intrigued by you know,
Speaker 1: you plug Will hernandez in right away, you get a
Speaker 1: third round pick. I don't really I don't know that
Speaker 1: you can or you plug no pluck win in whoever
Speaker 1: you want, whatever, right you plug a guy in, that's
Speaker 1: very appealing. So in that sense, like I don't know
Speaker 1: that you can necessarily go wrong, but let's let's let's
Speaker 1: go get a vet for like one point one mill
Speaker 1: in free agency and bring me the guy that's got
Speaker 1: a potential to be a six time All Pro safety.
Speaker 1: You're going to sign Cooper back after, I don't care whatever,
Speaker 1: or if it's not Cooper, then some other guy. Like
Speaker 1: it's the strength of your team. You should be able.
Speaker 1: If there's one place where you can bargain hunt and
Speaker 1: have it be successful, it should be the spot where
Speaker 1: you've got three All pros playing next to him Wilson,
Speaker 1: So bring me Derwin James. Give him a pick, though
Speaker 1: he'll still pick. Well, it's all about picks. Well that's
Speaker 1: what scouts do. Give me picks, give me picks, give
Speaker 1: me picks. But when you have a chance to draft
Speaker 1: a potentially transcendent player, oh yeah, just shut up and
Speaker 1: see do you call Derwin James are transcendent? I said, potentially?
Speaker 1: All right? Is that not fair? We're way behind him,
Speaker 1: span I know we are. Only Yeah, good conversation, Thank
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Speaker 1: here with the Draft Show in the SWBC Mortgage Studios.
Speaker 1: Brian brought us Dame Brugler, David Hellman, Kent Garrison, Executive Producing. Uh,
Speaker 1: this is one of my favorite parts of the show
Speaker 1: that we do. I love all the interaction that we
Speaker 1: have with the fans, whether it's on Twitter, whether it's questions,
Speaker 1: whatever we have to do. I do love that part
Speaker 1: of it. I think you guys are learning this game.
Speaker 1: I think you're understanding what it takes, and so we're
Speaker 1: trying to answer a few of your questions. It is
Speaker 1: Twitter on the Twitter, David Hellman, go ahead, all right,
Speaker 1: let's try to speed it up since we went so long.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a show. Good question from a friend
Speaker 1: of the show, Jonah, who you know we talked about
Speaker 1: Ridley in the last segment. Sure would probably all agree
Speaker 1: he's the top receiver in this class. But he wants
Speaker 1: you to rank two through five on the receivers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got more, Kurt Gallup, Washington and Miller, DJ Moore
Speaker 1: say again, Maryland, Christian Kirk, Jonah knows what I'm talking about,
Speaker 1: Texas and Jonah definitely knows that's what I did. No, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: You're right. Uh, DJ Moore Maryland, Christian Kirk Texas A
Speaker 1: and M. Gallop is Colorado State, Washington is Oklahoma State,
Speaker 1: and Miller is Memphis. I have the same two and
Speaker 1: three DJ Moore and then Christian Kirk. My four is
Speaker 1: Anthony Miller, Memphis. My five is Courtland Sutton smu My
Speaker 1: six is James Washington. My five through fifteen is where
Speaker 1: I kind of struggle a little bit. Well, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of I struggled with it before the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: James Washington played well. Still, there's still a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys in that log jam that
Speaker 1: second third round that are going to come off the board,
Speaker 1: and still trying to figure out the best way to
Speaker 1: rank them. You gonna go over to Estimate and watch
Speaker 1: sudden work out. Yeah, I mean, if you don't see
Speaker 1: at the combine, I mean if he Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just asked. I'm just asking in a way.
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see what it's on our backyard over here, right,
Speaker 1: I'm curious what teams would work him out. You know, again,
Speaker 1: here's the Brian Broadest phobia. Now, yeah, you're all receiver.
Speaker 1: You're so afraid I'm afraid I'm a coward. That's I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm a coward. I admitted that's a cowardly way of looking.
Speaker 1: When you get burned, you you know have second I
Speaker 1: just I'm just looking at a team that needs guys
Speaker 1: that separate. Yeah, I'm trying to think about this football team.
Speaker 1: I guess it's the whole NFL. Everybody needs guys who
Speaker 1: can separately. Look at that game last night, Well, look
Speaker 1: at the game last night. We saw Alishan Jeffrey catch
Speaker 1: a touchdown pass. Yeah, Courtland Sutton can what happened When
Speaker 1: they put a guy on him? They can cover. Sure,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's gonna be Jerry Race, but I
Speaker 1: don't know. Courtland Sutton can be and Alshan Jeffrey, And
Speaker 1: you can win with a guy like that on your team,
Speaker 1: So worry about him as a rounder. I love the
Speaker 1: sides though, Oh my gosh, I'm mesmerized by looking at him.
Speaker 1: Dan Dane cheats and does his like one two two
Speaker 1: three thing. But how many first round grades do you
Speaker 1: have on these? Out of the five? Just I haven't
Speaker 1: done the quarterbacks. I'm talking about receivers, Oh, receivers, I
Speaker 1: have three three Ridley More Kirk. See that's I want
Speaker 1: DJ More to be there at fifty and he's just
Speaker 1: not gonna be. I don't it's these receivers are tough
Speaker 1: because there's so many different might help him, Yeah, he
Speaker 1: might help Dallas. He's gonna be probably five ten and
Speaker 1: he's not the best in contested situations. It's possible. You know,
Speaker 1: it would not shock me at all if you know
Speaker 1: one team prefers James Washington over at DJ Moore, even
Speaker 1: at Dante Pettis. See, I think teams are sleeping on
Speaker 1: Pettis a little bit. I know you're not. I have
Speaker 1: him as my number sixth guy from Uiversity. Washington's my
Speaker 1: number seven. So if you if you have a chance
Speaker 1: to watch him, please do how many how many first
Speaker 1: round dish guys? I have Ridley with a solid one,
Speaker 1: and then I've got more in Kirk with one. Two's okay,
Speaker 1: so and then I've got Anthony Miller, Courtland Sutton, James
Speaker 1: Washington with a solid two. There's something about Anthony Miller
Speaker 1: that's good and I'm missing it. I just said you've
Speaker 1: got him fifth. I mean that's just I broke all
Speaker 1: of out. I have him actually three with well two, Okay,
Speaker 1: more Kirk, that's three. Gallop is four, Washington five, Miller six.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, so you still have him six that of
Speaker 1: like twenty receivers that are going to get drafted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but okay, is he better than Gallop? Is he better
Speaker 1: than Washington? For me? Yes? See what you're telling me is,
Speaker 1: see Kavanaugh knows he's receivers two at Kavanaugh is good
Speaker 1: to watch receivers with because he's got to feel for
Speaker 1: these guys. And I think he's got gallop. I think
Speaker 1: we're the same, the same one thing on gallop that
Speaker 1: did the Senior Bowl help you with Washington? Yeah, so
Speaker 1: now you're more silently feeling good about Washington as a
Speaker 1: second round guy. Yeah, as a second round guy, my
Speaker 1: number two senior wide receiver behind Miller. And the thing
Speaker 1: with Miller too is we had to find out about
Speaker 1: the foot. There's a lot of worry there that it
Speaker 1: could potentially knock him down a little bit. So we
Speaker 1: gotta we gotta be careful with Anthony Miller in the foot.
Speaker 1: But yeah, James Washington, he did help himself. I think
Speaker 1: we're sitting at the combine, somebody will walk up to you.
Speaker 1: A man this Miller's guy's foots, I'm not draftable fasciitis,
Speaker 1: not draftable, Brian, and then all the fans like we
Speaker 1: got a draft Miller and like, I don't think they're
Speaker 1: gonna draft Miller. I remember with two years ago with
Speaker 1: Jalen and oh god, Jylan Smith. It's not good. Not
Speaker 1: good people. Yeah, people walk up to this guy here,
Speaker 1: going back, going back to the first segment, You're like,
Speaker 1: I'm not panicking about whatever happens to Calvin Ridley because
Speaker 1: what you're telling me is that somebody will be there
Speaker 1: at fifty. Yeah, a good receiver will be there. See,
Speaker 1: that's why, that's why maybe at nineteen if he goes
Speaker 1: a cold, Ruddley's gone to the Ravens at sixteen. You're like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I get it. Yeah, not doing anything. I'm not giving
Speaker 1: assets to go, no spots to make that work. Not
Speaker 1: when I can find two, you know, receiver number two
Speaker 1: or three at fifty, you've got three receivers in your
Speaker 1: first round. Would you take a non Ridley wide receiver
Speaker 1: at nineteen. It's a good question because it is howard.
Speaker 1: I know I'm a coward, but no, it's a good
Speaker 1: question because again, I can I play the card of Okay,
Speaker 1: is Edmond's gone? Yeah, you get wiped out? Oh so
Speaker 1: is it? Say it Hurst? You trying to trade down
Speaker 1: Win one of these receivers I would take. I think
Speaker 1: I would take Win. Is there any scenario where you
Speaker 1: could see yourself taking a receiver not named Calvin really
Speaker 1: at nineteen or you think there'll probably always be a
Speaker 1: better That is a coward move. You're right about that. Well,
Speaker 1: it's a coward move. What have more a Kirk in
Speaker 1: the first round and not take them at nineteen if
Speaker 1: they were there, Well, maybe you like Win better or
Speaker 1: somebody else better, Maurice Hurst for instance. If you can't
Speaker 1: envision a scenario where you would take them, then then
Speaker 1: that's a that's a coward move. Yeah. Yeah, so you're
Speaker 1: gonna fix your grains. Oh that's why I have to
Speaker 1: use one twos because not you know, just placing on
Speaker 1: one on a guy it could be the second pick
Speaker 1: in the draft for thirty second, you know. So I've
Speaker 1: got one twos on moren Kirk meaning late first, early
Speaker 1: second guys that you know, there should be a one
Speaker 1: at nineteen hopefully. So I think at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, what's gonna happen is it's gonna end up
Speaker 1: being probably one wide receiver in the first You think possible, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's possible. Yeah, I do, and I and I and I.
Speaker 1: That hasn't happened, I said on the last I mean,
Speaker 1: going back to Dez. That hasn't I mean, that hasn't
Speaker 1: happened in the last decade. We had three in the
Speaker 1: top ten last year. Yeah. See that's it didn't turn
Speaker 1: out very well for those teams. But you know, in
Speaker 1: the first season, but we'll see. Well, you know that
Speaker 1: is a coward move. I just sitting there thinking about it,
Speaker 1: because if you if you're not willing to take one
Speaker 1: of those guys, and I think their first round players.
Speaker 1: Maybe the fact is I should have win in the first.
Speaker 1: Oh he's a first round player. Yeah yeah, I mean maybe,
Speaker 1: I mean maybe and maybe. Yeah. It sounds like you
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying thinking to do. No, No, it's
Speaker 1: not the thinking about the wide receivers. It's okay, why
Speaker 1: do I have win in the second? I don't know, Brian,
Speaker 1: why do you know that? That's that's good point, probably
Speaker 1: the question of the day. Brian just had an epiphany
Speaker 1: right here on the air, it's it's good, good, good
Speaker 1: thoughts we talk about and we talked about the pan
Speaker 1: the panic move, yeah for Travis in twenty thirteen, so
Speaker 1: Rob wants to know, and I think things have changed
Speaker 1: a little bit in the five years since then. But
Speaker 1: you know, talking about trading, he said, you know who
Speaker 1: makes the decision on how far up and how far
Speaker 1: down you're willing to go? And when do you make
Speaker 1: that decision? Stephen Jones is usually the guy that runs
Speaker 1: the to use a phrase that's used in the synd
Speaker 1: in the house all that stuff, the majority whip, the
Speaker 1: guy that gets everybody going. Stephen Jones is the whip
Speaker 1: in this one. He's he's the guy that kind of
Speaker 1: to me, not kind of because I've experienced it. They'll
Speaker 1: field calls, they'll see what's going on, they'll have a plan, Okay,
Speaker 1: what we need to do or how's this thing going again?
Speaker 1: They made a panic move in that Travis Frederick trade. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's just a bail. Yeah, but I think what you
Speaker 1: kind of see things going in and I think it's
Speaker 1: different with Will and how things are set up with him.
Speaker 1: What's fascinating to me? Ise and Jones to answer the
Speaker 1: question would be the guy that kind of initiates that
Speaker 1: you can think about it and have all these conversations
Speaker 1: about it, but like you can't really know until the
Speaker 1: draft is going on, So yeah, you know, we don't.
Speaker 1: You could think up a thousand scenarios during the course
Speaker 1: of pre draft and then something you never envisioned happens.
Speaker 1: I mean I would take I would take the very
Speaker 1: best mock drafters that I know, and I would follow
Speaker 1: what they're doing. Yeah, just and I but I wouldn't
Speaker 1: use my board. I would use I would use some
Speaker 1: other way of doing it, and I would think, Okay,
Speaker 1: what is the league thinking about here? But if in fact,
Speaker 1: if in fact that you're sitting there and it's under
Speaker 1: the and I'm following Dane Brugler's board and things start
Speaker 1: to go crazy like it happened, I'm I'm I've got
Speaker 1: a plan going in and I'm I'm getting out of
Speaker 1: there if this happens. If I start to see things happen,
Speaker 1: I'm getting out of there. Sanchez and another trade pick,
Speaker 1: and then we can move on, which you know you
Speaker 1: said we could of this for another show, and we
Speaker 1: still can. But Cowboys have some comp picks. Coming their way.
Speaker 1: They do, which are tradeable. Now, maybe increases your odds
Speaker 1: of a trade up. He's he's said in the second
Speaker 1: round specifically, But I mean you could do whenever you want. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's probably if they go, say defensive tackle in
Speaker 1: the first round and then the second round, Will Hernandez
Speaker 1: is still there, trade up from fifty to go get them?
Speaker 1: What would you give up? You're probably getting two fourths
Speaker 1: and two fifths. Well let me just let me just
Speaker 1: give me an idea or two fourth and one fifth?
Speaker 1: What's your your picks at fifty? Right? Yeah, say we
Speaker 1: have to go up that picks worth four hundred thirty
Speaker 1: five to get Will hernande the thirty five, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to give up one hundred and fifty. How much
Speaker 1: is the third worth? Third is worth? That pick would
Speaker 1: be eighty one? Right, is that we're talking about? That's
Speaker 1: worth one eighty five? So you'd be overpaying. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you gotta go. Well, you get your starter, you get
Speaker 1: your guy. I mean, so you fourth is worth what
Speaker 1: pick would that be? One? Oh? Is that? What do
Speaker 1: they what's I don't even know because the comp picks happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that hadn't it but it'd be just I'd just say,
Speaker 1: Dallas is one eighteen. Just give it an example, one
Speaker 1: eighteen that's worth fifty eight. So even if you gave
Speaker 1: up that and your comp pick, you're still probably not
Speaker 1: coming close to the price for that pick. You probably
Speaker 1: got to do your third I mean kind of basically
Speaker 1: what they did for Demark's lawrence. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: but you get thirty five and nineteen, so two starters.
Speaker 1: You would hope, you would hope, you would hope and
Speaker 1: that's you bet you more. Would you rather go? Okay,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this, that's a good question. Would
Speaker 1: surely go up in the second round, up in the
Speaker 1: second round, or go back in the first? Both by
Speaker 1: Captain Greedy? Get you trade back, get an extra third,
Speaker 1: use that third. So you trade back, though I like
Speaker 1: your aggressiveness. You use that extra third that you've got
Speaker 1: to move up into the second, and you end up
Speaker 1: right where you were, except you feel better about the
Speaker 1: players and the value that you got back in the
Speaker 1: first which I meant to bring this up in the
Speaker 1: first segment. I like what you did. You talk you
Speaker 1: talk about it, like you just mentioned, you know, well,
Speaker 1: do I really think these receivers are first round grades.
Speaker 1: The problem I just had, but I just learned that
Speaker 1: I don't have win high enough. That's what I just
Speaker 1: learned regardless. But that's almost the beauty of it, and
Speaker 1: kind of goes back to the Taco conversation. You're not
Speaker 1: dealing with first round players at that point anyway, So
Speaker 1: you know, trade back to twenty eight. Let's trade back
Speaker 1: to twenty eight, give me a second round pick, and
Speaker 1: then just take your pick of either your best remaining
Speaker 1: first round grades or if you have a second round
Speaker 1: grade and you're picking at twenty eight, who cares. I mean,
Speaker 1: get a guy you like, well, he just told you
Speaker 1: he's got fourteen first round grades there. Well, so you're
Speaker 1: almost certainly talking about something. I mean, it's just me,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think you both would say it would
Speaker 1: be an overvalue, like it would be early Like how
Speaker 1: awful would it be to just take d J. Moore
Speaker 1: at twenty eight, assuming you got like a second round
Speaker 1: pick out of the deal. He's thirty on my board,
Speaker 1: so I'm fine with that. Boom done easy. He's so
Speaker 1: he's not a first round grade. But whatever, you're picking
Speaker 1: twenty eight and you got to pick out of it
Speaker 1: more her Nandez my board. Now it's more. Uh man,
Speaker 1: it goes back to the other thing where you know
Speaker 1: you're guaranteed to get a starter in her Nandez, whereas
Speaker 1: More's probably got to beat somebody out. YadA YadA. Yeah
Speaker 1: you got More at one two. Yeah, I've got him
Speaker 1: at number thirty on my board twenty seven. EJ. Moore
Speaker 1: is my absolute no doubt about it, pet cat. But
Speaker 1: I think her Nandez is just a more clear cut,
Speaker 1: easy decision. I'd probably agree that's tough. We never get
Speaker 1: through all these questions. No, um, give me one more,
Speaker 1: all right, give me a couple more, We'll be fine.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, all right, if you want to do
Speaker 1: a couple more that Adam wants to know. Let's say
Speaker 1: a quarterback falls to nineteen and there's no good offers
Speaker 1: to bail. Is that just if? Can you even envision
Speaker 1: a world where they would do that? Let me ask
Speaker 1: you this, if this team, if this team was eight
Speaker 1: and eight, again, just say they were eight and eight,
Speaker 1: and does does Dak has a similar season to what
Speaker 1: he just had? Yeah, you gotta consider it. Then it's possible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's where it's possible. That that question is for twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: But okay, and I agree to the point of investigating.
Speaker 1: Educate though, Like we're sitting here right now really not
Speaker 1: expecting anybody to be there, but like, what if Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield is Teddy Bridgewater wasn't supposed to fall to the
Speaker 1: second either? Yeah, actually with the thirty one, didn't he whatever?
Speaker 1: Basically the second round. I remember we had we had
Speaker 1: this conversation with Manzel, you know, if he's there, you know, one,
Speaker 1: just take him. He was, and he was yeah, And
Speaker 1: I mean I don't know. Uh, this is a team
Speaker 1: that's built to win. Now, how do you think you know,
Speaker 1: go in to locker room and ask at Jason Witten,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, what do you what are you guys
Speaker 1: doing drafting a quarterback there with you know what does
Speaker 1: that due to your quarterback room? And there's so many
Speaker 1: things there. So yeah, I agree with what you said. Though.
Speaker 1: If this is a huge year for Dak a huge year,
Speaker 1: sure it is. It's a huge year for the head coach,
Speaker 1: it's a huge year for the quarterback. At the end
Speaker 1: of at the end of this year, you're either talking extension, right,
Speaker 1: we're letting a new quarterback you were looking very hard
Speaker 1: at the quarterback Pross absolutely absolutely. If this if we
Speaker 1: were having the draft show God Willing in twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: and it's nine and seven and you have a new
Speaker 1: head coach and all that and the quarterback plays, then yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think you're I think no, I think
Speaker 1: all bets are off. I can't see it. This is
Speaker 1: an important year for a lot of guys, a lot
Speaker 1: of guys. What's the earliest that you're willing to draft
Speaker 1: a quarterback in this draft? Just like I don't know,
Speaker 1: we weren't expecting. You've seen them all. It's the fourth Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm I'm all in favor of drafting
Speaker 1: quarterback every year or almost every year. And I like
Speaker 1: a lalta Mike White, two guys who had the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: If those guys are available in the fourth, fifth, sixth
Speaker 1: rounds somewhere, you know, I would feel comfortable drafting a
Speaker 1: guy in that range. You know he's your your your
Speaker 1: third stringer from day one. Who knows he might beat
Speaker 1: out Cooper Rush in the preseason. Yeah, and you feel
Speaker 1: better about, you know, your quarterback room than you did
Speaker 1: coming in. Would it be hard to pass Baker Mayfield
Speaker 1: though at thirteen, all right, nineteen be hard to pass
Speaker 1: up on him? Yeah, No, I'm not. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's just something not worried. I'm not worried about that
Speaker 1: decision because he's not gonna be there in my mind. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I all right, let me ask you this. What
Speaker 1: if it's Josh Allen? Yeah, I don't Okay, I know
Speaker 1: in your scenario he wasn't there. Yeah, okay. If one
Speaker 1: of those quarterbacks falls to nineteen, yeah, take your pick.
Speaker 1: If it's Alan or all right, what's the question. Is
Speaker 1: it hard for me to pass up on? Yeah? Not me,
Speaker 1: because I believe in Dak more than I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people listening to this might. And Alan's twenty
Speaker 1: nine on my board, so I'm not hit over heels
Speaker 1: over him. May feel that I have close to top ten,
Speaker 1: so yeah, but I just don't see him being available.
Speaker 1: But if he is, then yeah, it's it's something you
Speaker 1: have to think about. But I I think I agree
Speaker 1: more with with Dave. This team is not talent poor,
Speaker 1: is it. No? I don't know that it's as it's
Speaker 1: not talent rich either. Probably it's a lot I thought
Speaker 1: it if I could tell you you could have Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield and her nand Is at the two first two picks.
Speaker 1: Would you would you go with that? Once? My other option,
Speaker 1: I mean just saying and just yeah, I'm going all
Speaker 1: in to win this year, and I'm gonna get I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get me a player that's gonna help me do
Speaker 1: that this year. I'm just trying to I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to get you know, Washington Gallop, one of those guys. Miller. Yeah,
Speaker 1: someone's gonna help me win this year. Leave me alone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: give me a guy, Yeah, somebody that can help me that.
Speaker 1: I think they've backed themselves into a corner where they
Speaker 1: have to do that. They don't have a choice. They
Speaker 1: have to. They have to approach this draft finding guys
Speaker 1: that are going to help this year and help them
Speaker 1: take that next step. There's no tomorrow for the vast
Speaker 1: majority of guys on this team, whether you want to
Speaker 1: talk about the coaching staff, quarterback, last chance, I mean
Speaker 1: last chance. So I don't know why you would draft
Speaker 1: that way this year. I'm just saying, though, maybe if
Speaker 1: you're the if you if you're if you're Jason Garrett,
Speaker 1: you surely hell don't want to draft a quarterback in
Speaker 1: the first round. Right you know, if your job's on
Speaker 1: the line, you surely don't want to draft a quarterback
Speaker 1: in the first round. All right, thanks David, appreciate try.
Speaker 1: We're just gonna take it day by day. Thank Coach.
Speaker 1: You should but be a little little more cautious. All right. Well,
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Speaker 1: great stuff. Okay, man, the show went fast today. Combine
Speaker 1: List comes out this week. This week, this week, okay,
Speaker 1: so this week, so Thursday show, we'll be talking snubs, snubs,
Speaker 1: guys that got in all that kind of already kind
Speaker 1: of leaked a few. Yeah, Funa Forward's not going to
Speaker 1: be there, Dories Fountain, there's a few other ones. Bind
Speaker 1: gets underway three weeks from tomorrow, I believe sounds about right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we will be there, all coverage, wall to wall coverage.
Speaker 1: We have Tuesday, we get there Tuesday, so shows Wednesday, Thursday,
Speaker 1: Friday and Saturday. Best week of the year. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: we will. We will be hanging out there in Indianapolis
Speaker 1: for all that. David, you wanted to get into a
Speaker 1: little bit of some talk about Philadelphia and stuff like that. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we don't. We don't have to
Speaker 1: spend them. But we don't have a boat at the
Speaker 1: time anyway, No, we don't. I just I want to
Speaker 1: maybe take a call or too. If Ken, if there's
Speaker 1: somebody lined up that wants to talk to us, please
Speaker 1: feel to jump in with us there. You know, it's
Speaker 1: the Draft show, that's what you do. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: couldn't help but notice the h and really like you
Speaker 1: go back and look at it, like you know, you
Speaker 1: think back to the Seattle teams that were in the
Speaker 1: back to back Super Bowls, like they their draft successes,
Speaker 1: unbelieving Bowl right Philly. Not anything wild. But the interesting
Speaker 1: thing to me is just like where they found like
Speaker 1: these these guys that like helped them get over the top.
Speaker 1: Which case in point, I mean the two that come
Speaker 1: to mind right away, which Cowboys fans should be able
Speaker 1: to relate to this Isaac Sumalo, who's a guy we
Speaker 1: talked about a lot at State, and Big V. Don't
Speaker 1: make me say his real name. But last year they
Speaker 1: draft a guard in the third round and a tackle
Speaker 1: in the fifth round. Both of them started last night.
Speaker 1: Don't know how they graded out, but Jason Peters goes down.
Speaker 1: You have some injuries along your line, a third round
Speaker 1: pick and a fifth round pick step in and get
Speaker 1: the job done. And I mean Big V has been
Speaker 1: starting at left tackle since October and it hasn't hasn't
Speaker 1: always been pretty, No, it hasn't. Which you know, there's
Speaker 1: part of that where it's like, well, crap, why can't
Speaker 1: the Cowboys do that? What the hell? But then there's
Speaker 1: part of you that's like, hey, you can find guys
Speaker 1: that can help you fix your problem. On Day three
Speaker 1: of the draft, I mean pick five, pick one, sixty four,
Speaker 1: and then another guy that's really close to my heart,
Speaker 1: which still don't understand why he fell to the seventh round.
Speaker 1: But Jalen Mills is picked two thirty three. A lot
Speaker 1: of questions about Jalen Mills. Where he was going to play? Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: was he gonna be? They played him at safety, they
Speaker 1: played Warner off the field. Stuff was not good at all.
Speaker 1: It was more that than anything. I remember that, but
Speaker 1: I don't. I it's you know, when there's not as
Speaker 1: far as I know. Well, actually, I take that back.
Speaker 1: He did have like he was arrested, I believe when,
Speaker 1: but he never Yeah, I think the charges were dropping
Speaker 1: like nothing ever came of it for that And I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to make light of all of any of that,
Speaker 1: I don't get me wrong. But to fall from like
Speaker 1: a second third round grade to the end of the
Speaker 1: seventh round, I mean, yeah, that was wild. H nine
Speaker 1: tackles and two pass breakups last night. It's at corner.
Speaker 1: It's not too bad, and it's these character guys. It's
Speaker 1: it's tough because you know, Randy Moss has talked about
Speaker 1: a lot this weekend going into the Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: and how the Cowboys passed. But if Randy Moss was
Speaker 1: in this draft, we'd be killing him for all the
Speaker 1: off field stuff. It's a laundry list of stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just it's tough when to take a chance on him.
Speaker 1: You know, do you take a chance. Do you want
Speaker 1: that type of guy in your locker room? You know,
Speaker 1: sometimes the talent is worth the risk. I'll give you
Speaker 1: a great example of Philadelphia. I was in that draft,
Speaker 1: the ninety eight draft at Moss came out in and
Speaker 1: I was with Philadelphia, and I remember vilely Jeff Lurry
Speaker 1: the night before the draft came up and I was
Speaker 1: just explaining all the tags on the board. We were
Speaker 1: just standing there and we were talking about courtesyins and
Speaker 1: all these guys. And he looked at me said, Brian, please,
Speaker 1: I would feel really comfortable if you did not if
Speaker 1: you took Randy Moss off the board. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: Take Randy Moss off the board and we'll go through it.
Speaker 1: We'll be fine. I say, well, mister Lorio is he
Speaker 1: is our one of our top players on our board.
Speaker 1: He says, if you would just please take him off
Speaker 1: the board, I would feel better. And they had some
Speaker 1: extensive They had done a lot of extensive lay Us
Speaker 1: had done a lot of extensive work on him. Twenty
Speaker 1: teams that did. Yeah, the league had done a lot
Speaker 1: of work, and so that was a decision that Jeff
Speaker 1: Laurie made. By the way, did you see my tweet
Speaker 1: over the weekend. Yeah, about all the days that's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: That was crazy. You know, the numbers, every and every yea,
Speaker 1: every number you had was legit. Every number was legit.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. As the third round pick. By the way,
Speaker 1: he probably barely worked out too. He probably just rainy
Speaker 1: mush showed up and one of the most natural asked
Speaker 1: up a light sweat. I think he could he could
Speaker 1: still go for like eight hundred in the NFL today.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you if he tried and actually care, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. But I it's you know, every year when
Speaker 1: somebody wins the Super Bowl, you look and you expect
Speaker 1: to see like this, Like I said, like you look
Speaker 1: at the same good job with some free agents and
Speaker 1: guys too. I mean, there's you know, the more I
Speaker 1: do this, I and I still think obviously the draft
Speaker 1: is the lifeblood of the NFL. But you get you
Speaker 1: see what Seattle does and you get in this mode
Speaker 1: where you're like, well, there's one way to do it.
Speaker 1: It's not true because, like I mean, going back to
Speaker 1: twenty twelve, the Eagles have made some really good picks.
Speaker 1: They've whiffed on a lot of stuff like that. It's
Speaker 1: not like this team is just built through the draft
Speaker 1: and that's it. They've made Chip Kelly got you know,
Speaker 1: smart free agent signings, they've traded they needed. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: the biggest whiffs you're in your out. A lot of
Speaker 1: them by the Patriots. Yeah, they do not. They've they're
Speaker 1: not great drafting team. They have a plenty of misses,
Speaker 1: but they you know, quarterback makes so much difference and genius.
Speaker 1: But you know what, and I guess that's what jumps
Speaker 1: out to me right there is you know, Okay, Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz is a number one overall pick, big deal, Like
Speaker 1: did you expect that? You know, Fletcher Cox is a
Speaker 1: great and you know what, what was top ten? He's
Speaker 1: picked twelve? Yeah, you get those guys twelve? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: thought they traded up. Damn near every team hits on
Speaker 1: more of those than they miss. I would say Cowboys
Speaker 1: being one of them. They hit, They hit on Car Dallas,
Speaker 1: missed on Mo Butt, But more often than not, NFL
Speaker 1: teams hit on the obvious picks more often than not.
Speaker 1: But the thing is is, Okay, you know Ron Leary
Speaker 1: leaves in free agency and Tyron Smith gets hurt. Well,
Speaker 1: your left guard and your left tackle weren't up to
Speaker 1: snuff this year. Right, Chads Green and Byron Bell were
Speaker 1: not as good at hand and handling that you look
Speaker 1: at this. That's the crazy thing is it's not so
Speaker 1: much what you're all pros are doing, but how you're
Speaker 1: filling the roster with your Day three guys, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: their pick, their fifth round pick, did a way better
Speaker 1: job than the guys the Cowboys had this year. I
Speaker 1: did a piece for Dallas Morning News last week about
Speaker 1: the best draft picks in each round the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: had since two thousand. Who do you think is the
Speaker 1: best draft pick since two thousand? So the last almost
Speaker 1: twenty years? I think I read this. I didn't realize
Speaker 1: you wrote it, but I read it. They hadn't Who's
Speaker 1: the best draft pick they had out of the fifth
Speaker 1: round the last twenty years? They haven't had one? Orlando Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: and then he's clearly number one, and then they didn't.
Speaker 1: There probably isn't one there isn't. My number two is
Speaker 1: Matt Lear because he started a Yeah, and then Joseph
Speaker 1: Randall was number three. They have had zero sick well,
Speaker 1: Orlando's Skendrick will give them that. Yeah, beside Skendrick, they've
Speaker 1: had zero success drafting in the fifth round. And then
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, Sean Lee is the second round guy.
Speaker 1: I would love to know who the next one is
Speaker 1: after him because it's probably not great. DeMarcus Lawrence all right,
Speaker 1: all right, and then Andrew or Andre raw Ye shut
Speaker 1: me up right there. Yeah, but their second rounds, their
Speaker 1: second rounds have been well you think of all those
Speaker 1: tight ends they've gone through, well, they've just they've been
Speaker 1: bad more often than they've been good in the second
Speaker 1: round over the last decade. And that's that's been a
Speaker 1: big problem too. I mean the one to ten the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are as good as anybody in terms of your
Speaker 1: your roster. But I think what we're seeing is and
Speaker 1: going into this season the depth problem. Well, I I
Speaker 1: thought twenty to fifty was really good in the preseas.
Speaker 1: I mean, how many guys did we see have really
Speaker 1: good training camps and preseasons? And it did not MATERIALI
Speaker 1: did not bear out over when the mattered. So that's
Speaker 1: the thing for me is I look at teams like
Speaker 1: this and I'm you know, bo Allen is another guy
Speaker 1: the Eagles found in the seventh round four years later. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks. Obviously he got hurt this year, but he's
Speaker 1: he was a third round pick. So that's you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, teams are teams are more are good
Speaker 1: at finding the all pros in the first round more
Speaker 1: often than not. It's how you draft on Davy three.
Speaker 1: And it's funny how things work with you know, because
Speaker 1: they tried to get Brandon Cooks, yeah, yeah, because they
Speaker 1: didn't and because Cooks went to New England right and
Speaker 1: missed most of the game with a concussion. Uh, they
Speaker 1: got Alshon Jeffrey. Yeah, they made a trade for uh
Speaker 1: Jaya Ji, yeah Ji and darby the corner. They finally
Speaker 1: got Nelson Aguilar to play. But that was a pick
Speaker 1: for the Chip Kelly regime. I not mistake it was.
Speaker 1: It was they finally got him to play. Well, he's
Speaker 1: the guy everybody celebrated when they took him and not
Speaker 1: Byron Jones, right, which I think Byron's had a better
Speaker 1: career than him overall. Right, agree. He just won a
Speaker 1: super Bowl. So you know, I told you that thing
Speaker 1: the other day. Right out of that draft, Baron Jones
Speaker 1: made games played, Baron Jones played forty eight. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: the thing is, what's the rest of the Cowboys twenty
Speaker 1: fifteen draft class doing right now? I know that's the problem.
Speaker 1: That's and that's that's that's the problem. That issue. Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory's not here. Is Jazz Green that doesn't know how
Speaker 1: that went? It's an issue, You're absolutely I mean, Wilson Damien,
Speaker 1: Damien's fine. I mean for a fourth round pick. I'm
Speaker 1: not super disappointed by the career that he's had. It
Speaker 1: hasn't been amazing. But line back from Wyoming not on
Speaker 1: the team, the tackle from Virginia Tech not on the team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's you gotta hit on more of those, not to
Speaker 1: not to necessarily be good, but in order to have
Speaker 1: the depth to where you can stand something super Bowl
Speaker 1: despite and losing three different Pro bowlers. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: just amazing, that's right. Any right, Thank you, David, appreciate it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no problem. Depth questions, We'll always love those, all right.
Speaker 1: That's all the time we have for the Draft show today. Uh,
Speaker 1: we will be back next uh this coming Thursday. Yeah, Thursday.
Speaker 1: We'll be back Thursday, eleven am Central. We'll get into
Speaker 1: some combine talk, maybe some other things will pop up
Speaker 1: that we need to know about, and we'll get to
Speaker 1: you get into after if you're curious. After the combines,
Speaker 1: we're going to get into some tell me more. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's what we want to do a little bit more
Speaker 1: of that, So stay tuned for all that. So from
Speaker 1: my buddy Stain Burglar, David Holman, Ken't Garrison, Brian Bross,
Speaker 1: will see you Thursday at eleven am Central. This has
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