1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Brading. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is They call me Ben. 6 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: We are joined as always with our super producer Paul 7 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: Mission Control decads. Most importantly, you are you. You are here, 8 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,319 Speaker 1: and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. 9 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: Today's episode comes to us from an email. It comes 10 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: to us from Brian w So, Brian, I hope you're 11 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 1: listening to every episode, but I hope you were particularly 12 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: tuned into this one. Here's what you said, Brian, you said, Hey, guys, 13 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: I've been binging on the show all summer, and after 14 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: listening to the Canada's Roswell episode, I remember that my 15 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: dad told me about a very famous incident here in 16 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 1: Montreal back in nineteen nine that he remembered seeing on 17 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: the local news. So far, I have not heard any 18 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: of your episodes mention it and Brian, you are correct, 19 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: my friend, fellow conspiracy realists. But that is something we 20 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: are going to correct for ourselves today. In this episode, Montreal. 21 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: There was something weird in the sky. It's true. Uh, 22 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: And we'll we'll get to the crazy parts of this, 23 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: but but first, let's let's start with the facts. Montreal, 24 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: what is it? You know, it's in Canada, right, But 25 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: what else? Um, it's a band I like that's of Montreal. 26 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. They're actually on tour right now 27 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: our farm. Mutual friend in my roommate um and and 28 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: lifelong pal Frank Um recently went to Montreal and said 29 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: it was a delightful cornucopia of delicious foods and arts 30 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: and very clean and the metro system was very clean 31 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: and he had a wonderful time. He said. It is 32 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: the second largest city right in Canada, at least when 33 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: you're talking about population, which is kind of cool, right. 34 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: It takes up about three fourth of Montreal Island. It's 35 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: an it's an older city, at least as far as 36 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: this continent goes. Colonial history dates back into the sixteenth century. 37 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: It started as a missionary settlement. Of course, like every 38 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: other European based American city, there were plenty of people 39 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: living there beforehand, but anyway, when Europeans come, it becomes 40 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: a missionary settlement. And you know, there was plenty of 41 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: money to be made in religion, but they also realized 42 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 1: they could make another uh ton of money if they 43 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: got into the fur trade, and so Montreal became a 44 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: hub of the fur trade. Trappers would travel to and 45 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: fro acquiring pelts, and then they would return there to 46 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: sell and ship them. As for the character of Montreal 47 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 1: as in days of yore and in the modern day, 48 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: the best way to say it is that if you 49 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: were traveling to Montreal or Quebec in general from the US, 50 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: the first thing you'll notice is that it is very, 51 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: very very French. Ah. Yes, and again goes back to 52 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: its history. But also right now, if we're talking about 53 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: the majority of Montreal's population are French Canadian or they 54 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: would identify as French Canadian. And while you hear some 55 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: people claim that Montreal is the second largest French speaking 56 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: city in the world, of course, after Paris in France. Um, 57 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: that's a bit of a dodgy statement, right, There's some 58 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: other places that might actually meet that. Yeah, can shassa Algiers. 59 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: They're both populous in their own right, and they're also 60 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: probably growing more quickly in terms of birth rate and 61 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: maybe while While once Montreal was known for exporting and 62 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: pelts and furs uh, in the late nineties it kind 63 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: of got a reputation for exporting some fine musical bands 64 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: such as The Unicorns, Arcade, fire Wolf, Parade Um, Leonard 65 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: Cohen is from Montreal, a lot of great bands. Tim 66 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,799 Speaker 1: Hecker of more droning kind of thing, the Best Nerd Lakes, 67 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: The Deer's I was huge into the Montreal music scene 68 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: back in the late nineties and still am today very much. 69 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: But all at all, Montreal is a is a beautiful place. 70 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: It's full of history, it's full of culture. It's considered 71 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: one of the most cosmopolitan a ka European cities on 72 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: the entirety of the North American continent. However, it's also 73 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: known for something else. Yes, like a lot of large 74 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: metropolitan and cities, there are strange lights in the sky 75 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: above Montreal, strange lights that may not come from any 76 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: human or agen or maybe some kind of secret government experience, 77 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: but in the end they're unidentified. They're flying and their 78 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: objects and that makes them UFOs. Objectively speaking, what are 79 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: we talking about. We'll tell you after a word from 80 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy. That's right, folks. 81 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 1: Montreal is not just famous for cabaquac culture and some 82 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: bands from the nineties. It's not just famous for protein 83 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: and amazing food. It's famous for you know, apparently, it's 84 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: riddled with UFOs, allows you with u f O sightings, 85 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: the most one of the most famous of which occurred 86 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: in nineteen nine. So here's what went down. Our story 87 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: starts on November seven, that's right, in November seven, multiple 88 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: this is reported seeing a round metallic object beaming a 89 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: series of bright lights, brilliant lights, even across the foggy 90 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 1: Montreal sky. One witness, the first known to have reported 91 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: this sighting, said that the object was seen from a 92 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: rooftop pool on the seventeenth floor of the Plus Bonaventure 93 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: hotel in downtown Montreal a little after seven o'clock in 94 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: the evening, and then the game of telephone begins. So 95 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: this first initial witness there were two people in the pool. 96 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 1: The first initial witness tells the lifeguard or sometimes described 97 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: as the pool supervisor, Lynn Saint Pierre, which sends off 98 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: this chain reaction. The lifeguard calls Albert Sterling. Albert Sterling 99 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 1: works for hotel security. Albert Sterling calls the police, the 100 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: Royal Canadian Mounted Police RCMP, the horse you guys, and 101 00:06:55,360 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: also a journalist from a newspaper known as Laprosse. And 102 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: as things go on, the military in Canada gets calls 103 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: NASA down south the US way, they get calls and 104 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: the story spreads more and more and more people at 105 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: primarily at the hotel or around the area, gather on 106 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: the seventeenth floor terrace as the object appears to brighten. 107 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: At the height of the gathering, we're looking at around 108 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: forty to seventy people. Yeah, and it wasn't like it 109 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: was just a light that was there for a minute. 110 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: When you're talking about all of these people gathering and 111 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: making their way down to this hotel, it's time. There's 112 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: a lot of time there. And by the time people arrived, 113 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: it was still in the sky, still shining. And I mean, 114 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: you're you're looking at about three hours from beginning to 115 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: end roughly so, so from about seven twenty pm two 116 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: around ten ten pm UM. And that's one of the 117 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: reasons this is such an interesting UM event. Why we're 118 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: so very glad that this was brought to our attention, 119 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: because you don't a lot of times have this number 120 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: of witnesses, and you know, how you would characterize those 121 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: witnesses depends really on each individual. But there are enough 122 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: reliable witnesses there to feel as though that there's something 123 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: really happening here. Yeah, journalists, pilots, police officers, Uh there 124 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: was so a congressman is there or a congress member. 125 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: The journalist Marcel LaRouche arrives around nine pm, so this 126 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: thing has already been happening for almost two hours, and 127 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: he is our primary source for photographs, the most the 128 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: most widely circulated photographs you'll see of the phenomenon. And 129 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: the way he was able to photograph this he placed 130 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: his camera directly towards the sky, manual pause for about 131 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: thirty seconds, and then he just held down the button, 132 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: so he got a bunch of different photographs. Uh, the lights, 133 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: the brightness of the object had decreased. Now keep that 134 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: in mind because as it's slowly decreasing, that is that 135 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: is an indicator for us of of one thing or 136 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: another and another photo that was taken. Like if you, well, man, 137 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: you're a you're a visual expert, how would you how 138 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: would you guys describe this? Um? The photographs that I've 139 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: actually seen of this. I saw some from the CBC 140 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: archives and I'm watching the video on the CBC Dot 141 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: c A website here, and we've also got some screen 142 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 1: grabs that you can find online in a couple of places. 143 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: It looks to me like the way I see the sun, like, 144 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:47,719 Speaker 1: with rays of sunlight bursting through cloud cover. Sometimes when 145 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: you get that that real distinct ray, it kind of 146 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: looks like that a golden hue, bit of a greenish 147 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: color to it as well. Um, and it's just it's 148 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 1: aren't to describe. It does look as though there was 149 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: something kind of hanging out behind some cloud cover right right. 150 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: And we know that not all the photos taken were 151 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: of similar quality because of the way the object appeared 152 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: to be stationary, which is which is hugely important. Other 153 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: people were saying, we saw six lights or we saw 154 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,719 Speaker 1: three lights. You know, they were dim. Other attempts to 155 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: photograph this object, other than those of the journalists failed 156 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: due to the low lights. So we think Marcel himself 157 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: took about ten photos. The object gradually melted into the 158 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: increasingly dense cloud cover and it disappeared completely around ten 159 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: fifteen PM. So now we have to ask ourselves, well, 160 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: what what did it look like Matt. I think he 161 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: did an excellent job describing it. We but we also 162 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: have to acknowledge the some of the weird things about 163 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: eyewitness descriptions and the treacherous path of memory. So we 164 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: know that the accounts has slight variation and things like 165 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: number of lights, estimated size, and so on, but they 166 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: largely agreed in our On a previous episode with Mad 167 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: Scientists podcast creator and host Christopher coxwell, we had a 168 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: pretty good conversation about how people can misinterpret things when 169 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 1: they're viewing them on the ground, right. So that's why 170 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: it's important to note that we had we had pilots 171 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: both in the ground and spoiler alert in the sky 172 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: who were able to encounter this. Estimates currently from a 173 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: couple of different reports say the craft was about five 174 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: hundred and forty meters wide. Again, people who believe it 175 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: was a craft. And the other thing is kind of 176 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 1: what you just said, they're they're estimating how far away 177 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: it is to give you that general size, and just 178 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 1: for everyone not on the metric system a k A 179 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: like Namibia and the United States. Oh and Myanmar utters 180 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: is huge. It's like seventeen hundred almost eighteen hundred feet, 181 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: so whatever this was would have been enormous if it 182 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: were a physical craft. Again, yeah, and if it you know, 183 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: if they're getting that distance, you know, the belief the 184 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,599 Speaker 1: believed distance correct um about how large that thing is, 185 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: because it sounds like a dang mothership, you guys, and 186 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: them out an arc traveling through space, right. And the 187 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: other thing to point out here been or the number 188 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: of lights that were seen, because you know, it was 189 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: a bit varied, but somewhere between eight and ten distinguishable 190 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: different lights were seen that were attached in some way 191 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: to this craft, at least as it was told. Yeah, yeah, exactly, 192 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: and that that could have depended it out angle because 193 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: again we have to remember that of the multiple witnesses 194 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: who are cited in most of the contemporary reports, the 195 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: majority of them were on this terrace, meaning that for all, 196 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: for all practical purposes, they were looking at it from 197 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: the same angle. And when you have people looking at 198 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: something from the same angle, you lose valuable perspective. So 199 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 1: I had to bring this up. I've finally got this 200 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: CBC video functioning again, and some of the images in 201 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,959 Speaker 1: there there they actually go to the journalist place of work, 202 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: who took those photos we've been speaking about. And there's 203 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: one pulled up here that is it's similar to the 204 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: one that you have been in. The outline has a 205 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: screenshot of one of these images, and you know it's 206 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: a fairly low resolution video that we're looking at here. 207 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: But the way these light rays are going through that 208 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: cloud cover, Um, I just I just have to say, 209 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: like trying to figure out how far away whatever it 210 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 1: is is. Yes, it's like a central difficult central light 211 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: you know, it's just like two dots, and then there 212 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: are these radiating points that Yeah, to to your point, Matt, Um, 213 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: it's really hard to gauge like how close would it 214 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: have to be for those radiations to be that close. 215 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: So so the great thing that we have here is, 216 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: as you teased earlier, a witness who was actually in 217 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: the air, right, Yeah, that's correct. So while this was 218 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: going again and was there for almost three hours, uh 219 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: from like two hours and fifty minutes while it was 220 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: going there was a private Cessna aircraft and these are 221 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: Cessna tiny planes comparatively, uh. And another very weird spoiler 222 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: it turns out they're hard to find. Um. We'll follow 223 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: up on that much later so this I loved that. 224 00:14:55,120 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: But this aircraft is passing near these light beams and 225 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: it doesn't run into anything. It flies through the sky uninterrupted, 226 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: thank goodness. Right. Uh. And this led police to say, well, okay, 227 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: whatever this thing is, this object is much higher in 228 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:21,479 Speaker 1: elevation than we thought. And so the journalist says, okay, 229 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: the altitude of this plane might be around three hundred 230 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: and seventy meters. That's what we thought first. But then 231 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: there was an Air Canada pilot on the hotel roof 232 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: who said, no, no, no, no no, no, no, no no way, man, 233 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: you write the reports. I'll do the I'll do the 234 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: elevation estimates because I fly planes, and that thing is 235 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: I assure you, my friend, between three thousand meters, so 236 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: that's almost ten feet in the air. So that would 237 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: have to like how huge would that thing have to be? 238 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: Do still look big from that distance? You know what. 239 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: So of course, in interviews which can still find line, 240 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: there are multiple witnesses who are certain this was an 241 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: alien or extraterrestrial craft, including some members of the police force, 242 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: which was surprising to me. There was an interview with 243 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: one fifteen years later who said, nope, I never saw 244 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: anything like it not of earthly origin. You can also 245 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: you can also find some reports that detail. Uh, well, 246 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: you can find the entirety of the police report in 247 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: French and you can translate it. Um. It includes the 248 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: police forces own statements, but then it includes drawings, little 249 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: drawings like this from the witnesses that just look like 250 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: circles with the lines of light coming out, so where 251 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: the light was in position, and then where that light 252 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: ray essentially was observed, and then the lights are all 253 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: like what yellowish green? I guess, yeah, it's it's it's 254 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: very yellow to my eye, at least with that kind 255 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:02,239 Speaker 1: of green. I don't almost shade in there, and I'm 256 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: honestly not being there in I don't know what kind 257 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: of light pollution is existing in that area of Montreal 258 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 1: to you know, color the clouds, which occurs in any 259 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: major metropolitan area. But it looks oddly yellow green, right, 260 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: That's correct, and we'll we'll figure out exactly what that 261 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: means as as we continue now, Matt, you alluded to 262 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: something earlier, um, about what made this sighting different, and 263 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: we have we have several features that distinguish it from 264 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: the majority of sightings. Well, yeah, the the first one, 265 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: I think is what we already talked about, just the 266 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: number of witnesses who were there, who who you know, 267 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 1: weren't just some This is awful to say, but it 268 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 1: wasn't just some farmer or you know, some a single 269 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: person or a single family in a rural area to 270 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: people in a truck. Yeah, it's and that's not the 271 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: cast spersions on anyone who would fit that description. It 272 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: just means there are multiple people there. Multiple many of 273 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: them are authority figures, someone you would consider to be 274 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 1: an authority figure when it comes to uh, let's say, 275 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 1: any aircraft that's gonna be in the sky, in in 276 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: a controlled airspace. And there were also you know, there's 277 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: a funny story. One of the witnesses sat at the 278 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 1: hotel I think she was. She was at a wedding 279 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: or she was attending a wedding. She was having dinner, 280 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 1: basically having a fancy dinner, and they heard about this, 281 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: and so she finished your soup and she goes as 282 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: stairs to the thing for a while, she goes back in, 283 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: she's the salad. She goes to check if it's still 284 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: out there, and like her accounts to the police, is 285 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: just her taking breaks in between, uh watching UFO to 286 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: to eat. Well, Yeah, and it wasn't just on this terrace, 287 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: It wasn't just in this building. It was over a 288 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: huge city. And there were people viewing this thing all 289 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 1: over the place, all the cross the city because it 290 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: was just an unnerving thing to observe. Yeah. And and 291 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: one thing they had in common is that they all 292 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: they all pointed out an unequal distribution of light. It 293 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 1: seemed heavier on one side than another. Pon there was 294 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: where they were hanging out, and this was a densely 295 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 1: populated city. You know, there's something in the air, and 296 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: it's a real thing, then people will see it if 297 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: it that is, if it's a solid object and its 298 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: line of sight. But if it's a meteorological phenomenon, or 299 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: if it's a trick of the light, then people looking 300 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: from the opposite direction might not see anything at all. 301 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: That's just how that stuff works, right, It's true. But 302 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: you gotta take into account that cloud cover in the 303 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: distance from the clouds that we were unable to really discern, right, 304 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: And there was no change in its movement, no real 305 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: change in its size. Uh. The fact that it was 306 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: visible for so long is interesting. Not just because it 307 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: allowed more people to see it, but because it allowed 308 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: them to time to observe it in increasingly sophisticated and 309 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: professional ways. One. Okay, so one of the first things 310 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 1: people would talk about would be the the idea that 311 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: it's light. It's just like, we can dive into that later. 312 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 1: But as oh, you know, people back in the nineties 313 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: were not any less or more more intelligent than people 314 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: in twenty They thought of that too. Uh. They they 315 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 1: actually turned off some nearby floodlights or construction lights to 316 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: see if that did anything. And no, this mysterious Montreal 317 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: UFOs still hung there. And this leads researchers like Bernard 318 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: Gunnette and ex NASA scientist Dr Richard Haynes to argue 319 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,719 Speaker 1: that there definitely was something up there, and meaning a 320 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: solid object of some sort. They said, we can't trace 321 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 1: the source of it. I can't tell you what it was, 322 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 1: but we believe it was something. The report's pretty exhaustive, 323 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: it's like pages long, and the you know, the climactic 324 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: moment of their report is when they say, quote, the 325 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: existence of a highly unusual, hovering, silent, large object is indisputable. Yeah, 326 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: it really is big too, and you're right on with 327 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: the report, and it's you know, they don't well, maybe 328 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: we won't spoil it now whether or not they actually 329 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: say exactly what it is. Oh yeah, hey, you know what, 330 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: let's let's get to that. Let's answer that question. Let's 331 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 1: answer the ghostly yellow lit elephant hovering above the room 332 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: of the hotel here. Uh, what on Earth or off Earth? 333 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: Was this? Will tell you after a word from our sponsor. Okay, so, 334 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 1: oh what was it? I gotta know? Well, let me 335 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: tell you this thing, whatever it was, was definitely unidentified. 336 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, unfortunately, better unfortunately for all the true believers 337 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: out there, there does not seem to be Again, we 338 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: just have to say, there's not a there's not a 339 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: water tight case of extraterrestrial visitation. It does remain unidentified. 340 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 1: This craft, this object, this phenomenon, and while it seemed 341 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: to be a real physical object of some sort, there's 342 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: no indication that it did something like, you know, disobeyed 343 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: the laws of physics or generated any other abstract behavior. 344 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: No non human creatures plopped out and warned us about 345 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: the danger of nuclear war or large scale pollution. Uh, 346 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: so far as we know, maybe they missed that in 347 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 1: the reporting, and this leads those on the more skeptical 348 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: and of course to relegate this to the land of 349 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 1: mundane weather phenomenon and uh and then subsequent exaggeration, which 350 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,239 Speaker 1: happens when people are panicking. So why did they say this? 351 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: It all really goes back to the fog. Could this 352 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: have been nothing more than spotlights reflecting off the clouds? 353 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: You know? Again, the plass Bona Bonaventure is close to 354 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: pretty tall buildings. It's in downtown Montreal. At least one 355 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: of those had active spotlights or construction. But those things 356 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: were and and those things can be clipped off, right, 357 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: you can. You can make a request to turn that 358 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,199 Speaker 1: stuff off, But you can't tell everybody driving in a 359 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 1: city to turn off their headlights at night, you know 360 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 1: what I mean? Yeah, I would say spotlights, even the 361 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: ones that you'll see you used and just shot up 362 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 1: into the air, you know, during a large event, maybe 363 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: a movie theater every once in a while, a gentleman's club, 364 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: the you'll say, else, Well, you'll see, yeah, exactly. They 365 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: have a pretty specific shape that can be you know, 366 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: opened and closed a lens, but it expands at least 367 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: slightly as it goes outward. Right. So if we're talking 368 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: about lights that are just beamed up into the sky 369 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 1: like that, um, or you know, reflections of some pretty 370 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: high powered spotlight of any kind, I think it would 371 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: look different than what we're seeing here. Yeah, what we're 372 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: seeing here is not something that I can rightly, uh, 373 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: you know, attribute to any phenomenon that I've presently seen before. 374 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: But remember that doesn't take into account other kinds of lights, um, 375 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: other shapes of of you know, lights and ghost I 376 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 1: just mean I can't completely you know, I can't completely 377 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: say it wasn't a reflection like that of some kind, 378 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: because there's some other weird stuff going on here, particularly 379 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: with the angle of viewing the thing. But all of 380 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: the evidence that I have been able to look at, 381 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 1: that you've been able to look at and know's be 382 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 1: able to look at is stuff that was captured in Yeah, 383 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean, you know, we can't fully trust 384 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: what we're looking at. It just means the you know, 385 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: it's the resolution is going to be a little different 386 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 1: unless it's film, right, Unless it's actual film, which a 387 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: couple of these pictures were film. Um. The video quality 388 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: of anything that was taken back then is going to 389 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 1: be very low resolution. Um, I would just say the 390 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: technology maybe is not was not as sophisticated. Yeah, that's 391 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 1: something I want to point out. Yeah, camera equipment of 392 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: thirty years ago. And yes, yes this should shock and 393 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: and shock some people listening and weird some of this 394 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 1: out was almost thirty years ago. It's like a few 395 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: November seven, a few months away from thirty years ago, 396 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: and technology evolves is such a breakneck pace. You're right, Matt, 397 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 1: I would say you totally cannot trust that stuff. It's 398 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: it's fuzzy. You know, if we just depended on those 399 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: photographs and that video, it's not surprising at all to 400 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: rank anything inconclusive because even an actual craft like say 401 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: a high altitude blimp, if those existed at the time, 402 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 1: would be difficult to discern, just given again that very 403 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: low resolution. And then you know, uh, one thing, it's 404 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: tempting to say it's a weather phenomenon because it appears 405 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 1: to gently just sort of recede into the clouds like 406 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: that Gift or Jef of Homer Simpsons sinking back into 407 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: the topiary. But blimps could just rise and it would 408 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 1: look the same to an observer. You know what I mean, 409 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 1: especially if the cloud cover is increasing, because as cloud 410 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: cover increases and moist moisture I don't know what I 411 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: was doing that voice, but moisture accumulates, then it push 412 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: the clouds seem to get lower, right and heavier. So 413 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 1: I'm just saying it. We can't based on the footage alone, 414 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: we can't rule out either a solid object or weather phenomenon. 415 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: The problem is, again it goes back to vantage point 416 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: because people at the hotel, the Bonda Venture, to them, 417 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: this looked like a solid object, and some of them, 418 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: including police, are there still convinced to this day. But 419 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: people from other vantage points they still saw something, but 420 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: they thought it was a weird reflection. You know, like 421 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: how you see um uh, lights and pools at night 422 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: reflect weird weird ghost shadows from the water. Yeah, and 423 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: you know that could make sense to me. I'm just 424 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: trying to figure out. I'm trying to figure out how 425 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: I feel about this. You guys, I'm imagining, you know, 426 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: the the holographic technology, the hologram technology that uses missed 427 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: as as a medium, So you just shine light on 428 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: the mist and then you can have something three dimensional 429 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: or appear to be three dimensionals like the Peppers ghost 430 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 1: effect the US in the Haunted Mansion at Disney sort 431 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: of an older effects, I believe. So if somebody uses mirrors, 432 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: it's it's sort of an old school way of generating 433 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: hologram I believe their updated version of and a lot 434 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: of it goes into a year old project blue Beam 435 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: by the way of projecting images onto cloud cover, which 436 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: is really, like you said, Ben, just moisture at certain densities, 437 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: and as it's more dense you can get a more 438 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: solid looking object. Um in the cloud cover. The fog 439 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: um as we're calling it here, does appear to be 440 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: very very thick in that area, and I'm wondering if 441 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: I just haven't seen that kind of technology at play yet, 442 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: and it could be something like that that I just 443 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: don't have the reference point for totally. Yeah, I mean, 444 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: I can completely understand that. We also have we have 445 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: a couple of different experts to wait in both in 446 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: the Montreal area and then just people study astronomy or 447 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: ufologists or so on. Well, one I'd like to bring 448 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: to our attention is Dr Robert la Montaigne, who's a 449 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: professor of astronomy at the University of Montreal, and he 450 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: had I think he had the most even handed initial response, 451 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: because again we have to remember, like November seven, eight 452 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: through the ninth, people are saying all kinds of just 453 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: wild out of pockets stuff about this. Uh so, here's what, 454 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: here's what the astronomy professor says. People saw something the 455 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: I saw UFO. Now the word UFO is unidentified flying objects. 456 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: So they saw something in the sky that they couldn't identify. 457 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: They saw a phenomenon. Now it remains to find an explanation. 458 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: We haven't had time to find one yet. It takes 459 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: a while. We need to have observations, we need to 460 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: collect a whole series of information together. So far, most 461 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: of the investigations that are looking at the UFO phenomenon 462 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: often takes several days to find an explanation. For decades 463 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: that we have been dealing with UFO phenomena, not only 464 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: in Quebec, but almost everywhere in the world. Until now, 465 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: none of these UFO phenomena has found its source in 466 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: the presence of vessels from other planets. All UFO phenomena 467 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: have their explanation in natural phenomena of meteorological origin or 468 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: Aurora borealis type or artificial phenomena checks out. So in 469 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: a very dry way, he's saying, I'm not saying it 470 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: can't be Aliens, but it would be the first frigging 471 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: time ever. It's also just the term UFO is so loaded. 472 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: People have so many associations with it from pop culture 473 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: and sci fi and everything, you know, But what it 474 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: really just means is a lack of an explanation. And 475 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: just because we're seeing something that doesn't have an explanation 476 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: doesn't mean you can make the leap to it is 477 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: this origins being somewhere, you know, outside of the known universe. Right, Yeah, 478 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: I gotta say something really weird personal level about that. 479 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: Uh several days, maybe it was last week on Reddit. 480 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: I was digging into something and and someone quoted me 481 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: saying that on on Reddit, and it was like the 482 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: most I think it was the coolest thing that happened 483 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: to me that month. Um, well this month's this is 484 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: a new month, switched over, Ben, But yeah, we have 485 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: to say that, right, every every time we deal with UFOs, 486 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: we do have to we do have to emphasize that 487 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: because you're right, well, it has. It has become a 488 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: loaded term ever since the nineteen late forties. Maybe yeah, yeah, 489 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: that wild roswell. Well hey, let's um I want it. 490 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: Can we go to the next person that stepped in, 491 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: because this person just is so skeptical of anything else, 492 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: like where that was maybe even handed that we just 493 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: heard from from the professor there. Yeah, but Mark has 494 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: next to grind oh man, Mark, uh, what is it? Galinus, 495 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: He's a meteorologist with Environment Canada. That's an organization and 496 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: a secretary of the Montreal Astronomical Society. This dude was 497 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: not having any of this. Oh yeah, you could just 498 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: hear the scoff Yeah, what did he say? He said 499 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: he looked at the photographs first, and he said, it 500 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: looks like a phenomenon observed on many occasions, especially when 501 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: we work with projectors sometimes used in meteorology. Okay, no, okay, 502 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: project actures used with meteorology. I see the case you're building, Okay, 503 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: all right, keep going. Okay, I'm picking up, putting down. 504 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: I'm on board, And so he goes. Light is reflected 505 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: by ice crystals or water droplets in the cloud. So 506 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: depending on the density of that cloud, I feel like 507 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: we just talked about this, the beam might be several 508 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: hundred meters thick and visible from a great distance. He 509 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: further conjectured, uh, stuff like the rays might come from 510 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: an automobile because they have headlights. The headlights might point 511 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: at the sky, or they might reflect towards the sky, 512 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: because buildings have windows and windows are reflective. Like, he's 513 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: very much over this, Mark, you're saying, Okay, I'm first 514 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: of all, he's saying everything, but I'm condescending, which means 515 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: I talked down to people. I'm just trying to imagine 516 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: a car that is somehow positioned with its headlights three angle, 517 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: like on a giant hill somewhere, that's just kind of 518 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: sitting there shooting up. Because the thing the problem with 519 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: the headlight argument is that these headlights would not be static. 520 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 1: They would be moving, right, So well, they'd be moving, 521 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: but also there are no laser headlights. You know, they 522 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: could shoot all the way up into there and then 523 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: reflected down in those rays that we're observing. Maybe I'm wrong, Mark, 524 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,439 Speaker 1: maybe maybe you're right. I just I don't see that. 525 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: But okay, look, this is not aimed at you, Ben, 526 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 1: but it's it's true. And then he's like, and then 527 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 1: he points out the spotlights stuff and he points out 528 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: that light beams come from shopping centers. He's basically the 529 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: whole time is going you guys, lights, you have lights 530 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: there everywhere, are everywhere. It's Montreal. We're almost in the 531 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: twenty one century. The reflective surfaces everywhere, the clouds and 532 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: the ice crystals come on and and it's interesting because 533 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: you see other astronomy societies of the time. Um, there 534 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: was one quote, Uh, let me dig through, dig through 535 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,879 Speaker 1: the notes, but there's there's one quote from someone who 536 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,720 Speaker 1: seems a little bit offended by this, uh, this claim 537 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 1: that's uh, that's an alien or extra terrestrial UFO and 538 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 1: then says, oh, it's a Dominic LaRose. Uh. Dominic LaRose, 539 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 1: I believe is the man who said, you know what, 540 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: in my organization, a lot of us came to it 541 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: because we realized that quote unquote, alien UFOs don't exist. 542 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 1: So it's weird when you get into this kind of 543 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 1: debate because science has the lions share of attention in 544 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 1: these concepts are in these conversations, and it should, but 545 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,439 Speaker 1: there's also some psychology and they're involved in there. There's 546 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: some grudge is being held, Like when we learned some 547 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,919 Speaker 1: of the weird behind the behind the curtain business going 548 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: on with Moufon, which was frankly surprising and had nothing 549 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: to do with aliens. Maybe that's a conspiracy for another day. 550 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 1: But but let's look at the other reports. So let's 551 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: take psychology as far out of it as we can. 552 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: We know that, like any other large city in the 553 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 1: developed world, Montreal has a ton of monitoring devices and 554 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,319 Speaker 1: systems and play. These things are on every day of 555 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: the year, twenty four hours day, seven days a week. 556 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,359 Speaker 1: They're supposed to ping when they see something. Yeah, and 557 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 1: there are humans that for most of the time, if 558 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 1: not all of the time, are checking those systems and 559 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: looking at and monitoring them. Yeah. Yeah, so uh so, 560 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,239 Speaker 1: some experts check into power grids and they say, what 561 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,399 Speaker 1: about electromagnetic disturbances? We know those can do screwy things. 562 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: Because keep in mind that Canada is one of the 563 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: one of the countries that experienced the world's strongest, most 564 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,359 Speaker 1: recent coronal mass ejection, right, which in the eighties through 565 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: the place back into the dark age for a minute, 566 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 1: but not for long. Right, just unexpectedly shorted out grids. 567 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,399 Speaker 1: So they found one power failure, but it was like 568 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,879 Speaker 1: it was around eleven PM, so it was after this 569 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 1: thing would have been around, because we're talking seven ten, 570 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 1: ten or so. And then they checked operating records of 571 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:41,879 Speaker 1: communication networks, radio stations, radio operators, television, telephone circuits excuse me, 572 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 1: during the evening of November seven, and they did not 573 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:52,320 Speaker 1: find any unusual amount of malfunction whatever. That This means 574 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: that whatever it was was not, at the very least 575 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,320 Speaker 1: was not interfering with power grids, nor electromagnetic systems or 576 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: things that could be affected by that. Well, that's I mean, okay, 577 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 1: this is a good piece of you know, knowledge to have. 578 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: It's not it's probably not the electrical grid. But another 579 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: set of monitoring instruments would be radar, which would pick 580 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,359 Speaker 1: up physical objects, yes, especially in the airspace, but that 581 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: wasn't happening, right. There were no UFOs detected or reported 582 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 1: to be detected in any case by airport radar systems. 583 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,399 Speaker 1: Um the controller, a controller that was interviewed, reported that 584 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 1: for the twenty years he's worked in the field at 585 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,360 Speaker 1: the same control tower, no UFOs have ever been reported, 586 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: according to him in a report a few days later. 587 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 1: The phenomenon reporter on Wednesday was caused by a light 588 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 1: ray so we have another expert saying it's not physical. Yeah, 589 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,919 Speaker 1: it's just light, man, It's just a trick of the light. 590 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 1: It's only the wind. It's not the ghost of your 591 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,479 Speaker 1: dead lover. It's only the wind. All right, we'll let's 592 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,839 Speaker 1: let's get almost down to the here because I want 593 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,840 Speaker 1: to just talk about what I think it is. Okay, 594 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: al right, So if you want to see a more 595 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: modern version of this, and you're a fan of uh 596 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 1: less than stellar television, UH, you can check out a 597 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 1: show that the television channel Canal D made in two 598 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: thousand seven, a reconstruction of this phenomenon in a series 599 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 1: of theirs called Mystery Files. They interviewed a lot of 600 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 1: the witnesses, uh surprise, mainly the witnesses who believe it 601 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 1: was extraterrestrial uh and and different people. Will note that 602 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 1: a lot of the ufology websites that are convinced this 603 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:45,319 Speaker 1: was extraterrestrial origin will mainly cite this report. You can 604 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 1: watch it on YouTube. I I don't want to be 605 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,719 Speaker 1: a jerk about it, but I wouldn't call it groundbreaking science. 606 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 1: It's entertainment. So the point of that is to entertain 607 00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:00,399 Speaker 1: you with a recree creations, as they're called, good old 608 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: fashioned recree of some light rays. So in this case, 609 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: it appears for now that the most likely explanation for 610 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:15,880 Speaker 1: the Montreal siding was either a mundane, if secret craft 611 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 1: of some sort or a strange type of light weather 612 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 1: phenomenon caused by interaction with this low, foggy sky. Again, 613 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,520 Speaker 1: the big questions are the number of witnesses. Let us know, 614 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,840 Speaker 1: there was definitely something visible there, and uh, the fact 615 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:39,399 Speaker 1: that it stayed visible for three hours is pretty fascinating 616 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 1: to Uh, there's a pretty there was an argument for 617 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 1: some kind of aberrant behavior of the northern lights, but 618 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,439 Speaker 1: that doesn't really hold up once you once you dig 619 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,360 Speaker 1: into it. So all right, what do you think? What 620 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 1: do you think a natural phenomena of sun rays somehow 621 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 1: being around at around seven pm, which you know that's 622 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,799 Speaker 1: November seven pm. I don't know exactly when the sun 623 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 1: was setting on that day, but there there are phenomena 624 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: where sun light can be bent around the planet if 625 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:23,879 Speaker 1: you know, at certain times like after dusk or after 626 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,440 Speaker 1: the sun has set um where you can get some 627 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 1: weird light ray action going on. In discriptions, right, and 628 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,000 Speaker 1: it's it almost always has to do with moisture in 629 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,719 Speaker 1: the sky these ice crystals were talking about makes sense 630 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,759 Speaker 1: because they would refract it and could split it off 631 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:42,280 Speaker 1: in different patterns and make it look like it's moving abnormally. Right, Yes, 632 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,400 Speaker 1: and Montreal isn't, you know, right near the equator or anything. 633 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 1: It's getting up higher or north in latitude, so you 634 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 1: know that potential is there. Um when you're talking about 635 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: where you can actually see some straight range things in 636 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,480 Speaker 1: the eye on the sphere above you, you know, Montreal 637 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,520 Speaker 1: is pretty dann close up to those places where it's 638 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 1: most strong. But again, oh, you know what when you 639 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,120 Speaker 1: when you see aurora borealist spin a knoll, generally, what 640 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:21,440 Speaker 1: color do you see? I'm not the best person task 641 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:30,279 Speaker 1: green is one of the prominent prominent colors that it's 642 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,600 Speaker 1: it's greenish, it's green. Okay, okay, I'm sorry, But the 643 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 1: green hue or the coloration and some of those images 644 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:43,360 Speaker 1: that you're seeing high up above in that fog could 645 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,919 Speaker 1: be you know, I could see that being Aurora borealists 646 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 1: kinds of things. But then if you mix that in 647 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,799 Speaker 1: with maybe a bit of sunlight being refracted and kind 648 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,400 Speaker 1: of bent over like that, you could get those light 649 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,920 Speaker 1: rays because it really does look like tiny suns, like 650 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:06,160 Speaker 1: shooting out rays through that cloud cover. Yeah. Wait, so 651 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 1: did you just talk yourself out of what you were 652 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,719 Speaker 1: originally going to? Okay, I like I love watching these 653 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,360 Speaker 1: transformations in real time. Well, I was gonna go with 654 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 1: the Project Blue Beam test because you know, I'm all 655 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,400 Speaker 1: about it, and I'm pretty sure top of a building 656 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,600 Speaker 1: like that in Montreal will be a great place to 657 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,400 Speaker 1: test it out. For years, you've you've been about this. 658 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 1: And then maybe maybe if we're if we're going further 659 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,759 Speaker 1: down the rabbit hole, maybe that explains why this was 660 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,319 Speaker 1: Instead of a religious figure or a messianic figure, this 661 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:40,160 Speaker 1: was a sun god alright. This was just something that 662 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,759 Speaker 1: looked like an orb. So here's my argument against it 663 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,600 Speaker 1: being a physical object some or at least getting the 664 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 1: size wrong for it to be almost eighteen hundred feet 665 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:56,279 Speaker 1: and at an elevation of let's keep it in meters 666 00:43:55,000 --> 00:44:00,600 Speaker 1: five elevation to three thousand meters. Uh, that would mean 667 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,439 Speaker 1: just put it in American phrases, because you know, we'll 668 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:10,000 Speaker 1: do We'll find a system of measurement of ridiculous degrees 669 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,239 Speaker 1: in comparisons, will do anything we can so long as 670 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,440 Speaker 1: it prevents us from having to think in the metric system. 671 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,919 Speaker 1: That's why news is always like, you know, as blah 672 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:23,000 Speaker 1: blah blah kilograms. That's the size of like four elephants 673 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 1: and one Costco pack of oreos, and it's like that 674 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:32,840 Speaker 1: seven refrigerators. Anyway, this fis think that's like five football fields. 675 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,880 Speaker 1: That would be if it were flying, that would be like, 676 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:43,040 Speaker 1: by far right, the largest craft ever. It's a dang mothership. 677 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,120 Speaker 1: You guys like, I don't have I don't know the 678 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,839 Speaker 1: biggest airship right now, but I don't think it's five 679 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,919 Speaker 1: football fields. Yeah, what is the aircraft carrier of the sky? 680 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,480 Speaker 1: I keep thinking of the large military of the C one. No, 681 00:44:56,040 --> 00:45:00,000 Speaker 1: let's see something right C seventeen, C five. I think 682 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,560 Speaker 1: that's right. I remember Marshall brain talking seventeen is correct, 683 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 1: and that's one where the front opens, right, the nose opens. Yes, 684 00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,000 Speaker 1: it's huge. Yeah that okay, let's let's check out that 685 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:16,560 Speaker 1: is fifty three m long, wingspan of fifty one point 686 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,279 Speaker 1: seven five much bigger than that. I don't know. It's 687 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,640 Speaker 1: just tough because it's like the Bigfoot question again. If 688 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,239 Speaker 1: there's something that big and a ton of people are 689 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,879 Speaker 1: looking for it. Where the hell is it? Why haven't 690 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,399 Speaker 1: we found it? Well, if it is a space faring craft, Ben, 691 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,560 Speaker 1: that's right, you're right, came into our atmosphere, hung out 692 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,719 Speaker 1: for a minute, pretty high up, probably higher up than 693 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,600 Speaker 1: we thought, and then just went back out. If it is, 694 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,759 Speaker 1: if it is as still set, a mother ship, then 695 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,880 Speaker 1: maybe they just stopped by to see if there was 696 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,160 Speaker 1: if there was room on this planet for them. And 697 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,880 Speaker 1: maybe it was just like when you're walking into uh, 698 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,040 Speaker 1: when you're walking around you're trying to find a public 699 00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,280 Speaker 1: restroom and you have to just like try the knobs 700 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,359 Speaker 1: on the stall or whatever, And so maybe maybe that's 701 00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,399 Speaker 1: what they Maybe that's what they did. Maybe they came 702 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,279 Speaker 1: in and did the equivalent of like the bathroom stall 703 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,560 Speaker 1: check and said, dang, there's already there's already a life here. 704 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,080 Speaker 1: There are way too many lights down their cap and 705 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:19,080 Speaker 1: they're like, maybe it's biolumin essence serves some other form, 706 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,279 Speaker 1: and they're like, I don't know, I don't think it's 707 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:22,960 Speaker 1: a trick of the light. I'm pretty sure those are 708 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,279 Speaker 1: that's actual creatures. How cool would it be if they 709 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,400 Speaker 1: were on that mothership and they were debating what they 710 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,680 Speaker 1: saw yeah, like, what was that down there? How's weird? Man? 711 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,399 Speaker 1: So I was like, no, it was just the it 712 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:42,640 Speaker 1: was foggy. Those were fog buildings, you fool. I don't know. 713 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,680 Speaker 1: Oh it is odd, man, it's really odd if I 714 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,600 Speaker 1: just yeah, that's that's why he think's interesting about this, 715 00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:55,760 Speaker 1: because there's not a satisfactory, universally accepted explanation. And every 716 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,960 Speaker 1: time you get to the point where you say, well, 717 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,759 Speaker 1: it was definitely this, there's always well wait, just like 718 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,680 Speaker 1: just like we encountered at the end of this, my 719 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,080 Speaker 1: last one, my last ditch, you know, pitch that I 720 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,880 Speaker 1: had my Hail Mary, I'm pulling from my back pocket. 721 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,759 Speaker 1: Uh if not my key star? Is this? What if 722 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,160 Speaker 1: it wasn't a physical craft but it was the ghost 723 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,880 Speaker 1: of a craft? What if it's a ghost ship? No, 724 00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:29,520 Speaker 1: that wouldn't be solid, it wouldn't be physical. Yep, crickets Okay, Paul, 725 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:34,640 Speaker 1: can you put crickets in? Sorry? Well no, I you know, 726 00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,600 Speaker 1: I just have to say this has been a lot 727 00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,279 Speaker 1: of fun to imagine, talk about. And thank you to 728 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,719 Speaker 1: Brian for writing us that emails. I remember when you 729 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,480 Speaker 1: first sent that to us. This may be too much detail, 730 00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,840 Speaker 1: but I was hanging out at my house doing a 731 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,279 Speaker 1: thing that all of us do, um that you know, 732 00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,480 Speaker 1: it involves a bathroom. And I literally got your email 733 00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,520 Speaker 1: and I went, oh, oh, le me look at this. 734 00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,719 Speaker 1: That sounds interesting. And then I stayed way too long 735 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,400 Speaker 1: in the bathroom because I was just I was watching 736 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,040 Speaker 1: that video I was telling you about it's not good 737 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,560 Speaker 1: for your calling. Now, well you know what I wasn't saying. 738 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,600 Speaker 1: I was actually using the I'm just sitting there and 739 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,319 Speaker 1: you got stranded. Well, we don't know. I got up 740 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,920 Speaker 1: when I was pacing. I was just like, what is 741 00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,360 Speaker 1: this man in your bathroom? Yeah? I just have a 742 00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,600 Speaker 1: really tiny bathroom. So it was just kind of like 743 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,080 Speaker 1: a couple of steps. Well that's that makes for a 744 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,360 Speaker 1: good pace. It's real intense. We hope that you have 745 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,080 Speaker 1: enjoyed today's episode. We would like to hear from you. 746 00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:41,279 Speaker 1: What are some other what are some other cases of 747 00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:45,520 Speaker 1: odd extraordinary sightings in the sky, in the water, on 748 00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,560 Speaker 1: land that you would like us and your fellow listeners 749 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,000 Speaker 1: to explore. Let us know. You can find us on Facebook, 750 00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,920 Speaker 1: you can find us on Instagram, you can find us 751 00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,160 Speaker 1: on Twitter. We love to recommend our Facebook community page 752 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,640 Speaker 1: here's where it gets crazy. Some of the best mods 753 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,879 Speaker 1: in the business. Uh, all you have to do get 754 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:05,720 Speaker 1: in is name one or all four of us, or frankly, 755 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,840 Speaker 1: just like make a joke, say something funny. I'm a 756 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,840 Speaker 1: psycher for funds. It's so easy. Give us a call. Also, 757 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:15,680 Speaker 1: we are one eight, three three std w y t K. 758 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,840 Speaker 1: Leave us a message, let us know what you're thinking 759 00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,160 Speaker 1: about this episode or any other episode. And here we 760 00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,840 Speaker 1: go our new tradition. I'm going to play the latest 761 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,720 Speaker 1: message that has come in. Are you guys ready, I'm ready. 762 00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:36,480 Speaker 1: Here we go, very chromo annoy. Hey, I heard your podcast. 763 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:42,120 Speaker 1: I'm the Coronavirus. Oh I'm saying, is I haven't heard 764 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:46,640 Speaker 1: any news about Hong Kong in the last few months. 765 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:55,160 Speaker 1: Are they hiding something? Ah? As in the story of 766 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,080 Speaker 1: the Coronavirus is like in this episode, a fog that 767 00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,040 Speaker 1: is being blanket it over in the region so that 768 00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,479 Speaker 1: we don't think about what's happening in Hong Kong right now. Yeah, yeah, 769 00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,799 Speaker 1: well I think we noted that in the episode two 770 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,600 Speaker 1: you can find you can find news on Hong Kong. 771 00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:15,560 Speaker 1: But both both the Hong Kong Protest and the weaker 772 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,800 Speaker 1: concentration camps my choice to call them that are still 773 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,000 Speaker 1: very much in play. You know it's still happening, it's 774 00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:27,160 Speaker 1: just not being reported. So follow Eric's footsteps. Leave us 775 00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,520 Speaker 1: a message if you'd like to. Yeah, I do want 776 00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,719 Speaker 1: to put on a shout out to everybody who there's 777 00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,200 Speaker 1: a funny thread on. Here's where it gets crazy, where 778 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,520 Speaker 1: people have started. Our fellow listeners have started confessing that 779 00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:42,560 Speaker 1: a lot of us repeat that phone number to themselves 780 00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,800 Speaker 1: along when you hear it, I'm funny, guys. Ritualization works. 781 00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,520 Speaker 1: Oh that is awesome. Well, thank you for doing that 782 00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,480 Speaker 1: with us, because it it feels a little weird every 783 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,319 Speaker 1: time we do it in here, doing enough times, if 784 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,239 Speaker 1: enough people join us, you'll summon some sort of demigorgon. 785 00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:01,520 Speaker 1: And that's the truth, some sort of demigorgan Now you guys, 786 00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:06,640 Speaker 1: I want to say that Paul is human. And if 787 00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:10,080 Speaker 1: you don't care for social media, we get it. If 788 00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,160 Speaker 1: you don't like phones, we get it. If you have 789 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,439 Speaker 1: something that you need to tell us, but you want 790 00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,040 Speaker 1: a different way to tell us, well we have one 791 00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,920 Speaker 1: last option for you. You can always contact us directly 792 00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,200 Speaker 1: at our good old fashioned email. We are expiracy at 793 00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:44,200 Speaker 1: iHeart radio dot com. Stuff They Don't Want You to 794 00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,800 Speaker 1: Know is a production of iHeart Radio's How Stuff Works. 795 00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,520 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from my heart Radio, visit the iHeart 796 00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,359 Speaker 1: radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your 797 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:53,040 Speaker 1: favorite shows.