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Speaker 1: First of all, it's an honor and a pleasure to

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: We've been big fans for a long long time, and

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Speaker 3: He now remember telephone call away brother, looking, I was

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Speaker 3: talking to you know, Liah is all our big sister, man.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, since the beginning, Bro, I

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Speaker 3: was talking to her and she was telling me, you

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Speaker 3: know about your show, but I mean, I'm a fan anyway.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm always a fan of my brothers. Are

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Speaker 3: sure what they're doing. I was sharing that with Q.

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Speaker 3: I said, Q, you know, we have to change the narrative, man,

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Speaker 3: and what we do. We have to be in control

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Speaker 3: of everything that we do. I said, why would we

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Speaker 3: go and make somebody else famous off of our stories?

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Speaker 3: We got the stories we living, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: So I turned down cats all the time. Won't be

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Speaker 3: the interview you know, get on their podcast. I'm like, nah,

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Speaker 3: I'm good, no disrespect, but you know who are you

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Speaker 3: and why am I going to make you famous off

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Speaker 3: the paying man, what we're doing. But I'm a fan

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Speaker 3: of y'all show man. Watch it all the time, y'all

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Speaker 3: keep me laughing, you know what I'm saying. It's real shit,

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that was the thing about us trying to

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Speaker 1: do the show. We just wanted to praise everybody. You get,

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Speaker 1: all these other TV shows or whatever, and it's like

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Speaker 1: they always got to bring up something.

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Speaker 4: We want to show what somebody did, the story.

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Speaker 1: They think we just came just down and just got

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Speaker 1: to get it. So we just want to just praise

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Speaker 3: Man, when it comes to us, they don't know the

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Speaker 3: and effort we put in, you know, into it.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: So again, man, I'm a fan and I appreciate you

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Speaker 3: guys and what you're doing. Man, let's keep keep it rolling.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait to actually sit down in person.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, we're definitely gonna make that.

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Speaker 3: Stuff right now.

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Speaker 1: Definitely do all right, Well, this is how we start

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Speaker 1: to show off when we start to show off. The

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Speaker 1: first question we asked everybody is who is the first

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Speaker 4: You know, I know you are. I know you are,

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Speaker 4: and you well and you ready to compete every night.

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Speaker 5: Nobody don't really like I'm like that, mother fucking fuck.

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Speaker 1: Me up, you know, yeah, yeah, it'd be like that.

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Speaker 4: Well when when when did you get up?

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Speaker 1: You get somebody with a competition where you felt like, hey,

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Speaker 3: You know when I when I think about that part

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Speaker 3: You know, we used to play them all the time. Man,

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Speaker 3: So I would say every night, you know, somebody was

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was coming coming.

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Speaker 6: Straight us up, Yo, yo yo, coming to you live

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Speaker 6: This is the Detroit legend, the Syracuse King and NBA

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Speaker 6: He coming to us live on location from his backyard

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Speaker 6: He's still holding it down in the d O G.

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Speaker 6: What's happening. We appreciate you, Bro good Man, love baby.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate you guys. Man. Look, I'm a fan myself. You

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Speaker 4: Oh man, man, you know you know, look.

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Speaker 3: I said, Jack, I'm like, okay, they making they rounds

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Speaker 1: One of my friends, I used to work out at

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Speaker 4: Man, you missed that. And when I went to MO.

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Speaker 3: I grew up playing baseball and football my whole life,

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Speaker 3: And again that southern hospitality, man.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, my high school is crazy because Smokey Robinson,

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Speaker 3: My neighborhood is actually twelfth Street in Hazelwood, so two

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Speaker 3: Smokey Robinson, Yeah, is from Andy.

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Speaker 3: Because you gotta understand this too, d Again, we all

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Speaker 6: Actually we went to see the motown, the house and

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Speaker 3: So smokey. Aretha Franklin Betty Shabash went to my high school,

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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly with the basketball, Like where did you feel

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Speaker 4: Like what year did you feel like? Man, I'm running

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Speaker 3: You know, everybody always say they have a chip. I

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Speaker 3: I would say, like my sophomore year, I went to Rensselaer,

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Speaker 3: So I'm like, man, you like your shoes up just

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Speaker 5: Then you know, the scouts was like, man, what was this?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I've always had that that chip on my shoulder.

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Speaker 6: Man, that that that He just showed how throwback it

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Speaker 6: was because he said the A b C D camp

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Speaker 6: C D was strictly Adidas. It was only like it was.

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Speaker 6: It was a strict, very strict difference Nike All American

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Speaker 6: like he's showing that he was saying some years before

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Speaker 2: It was.

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Speaker 3: It was so crazy because again, like I didn't know

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Speaker 2: He come back again.

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Speaker 3: None of that back here, right.

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Speaker 5: But think of again, Bro, we got away from family.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: When I got to his house, I called home again

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Speaker 3: To this day, I swear man because I never had

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Yeah, yeah, oh, he gonna

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Speaker 6: You decided to go to Syracuse University. Now, I played

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Speaker 6: Did you know that he was like that when before

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Speaker 2: He was going over I was like, yo.

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Speaker 3: We would go and spend two weeks of basketball camp

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean and again, I was running home at

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Speaker 3: People don't understand when you're the only business in town.

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Speaker 3: It was Syracuse University, man, and the Buffalo Bills. That

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Speaker 3: It's crazy. Yeah, the best four years of my life, man,

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Speaker 1: Anywhere else did somebody else almost get DC to go there?

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Speaker 3: And I probably would have went because you know, I'm

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Speaker 3: Smitty grew up together, Me and Smitty, summer leagues, everything

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Speaker 3: even Steve, Steve was a late boomer. People weren't really

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Speaker 3: I was supposed to go to Michigan, right, And y'all

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Speaker 5: You know, it's the middle of winter.

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Speaker 3: So my uncle. Before my uncle go to work, we

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Speaker 3: Bro, it's still built in us. We just gotten so

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Speaker 4: No mind, my cousin at all. I'm talking.

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Speaker 1: If your mama pulled up and every kid on the block,

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Speaker 3: It's up to us, man, keep pushing that envelope with

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Speaker 3: I open the newspaper up right it got Terry Mills

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Speaker 2: That was the end of.

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Speaker 3: The coming up there. You just said there in my

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Speaker 6: Him right right right for y'all a few times to

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Speaker 5: Actually, yeah, we wind up playing them.

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Speaker 3: You know twice. They came to Michigan. We were seventeen

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Speaker 1: Yeah, your junior year, you was the top five pick.

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Speaker 4: Why you didn't decide to just go out to your

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Speaker 3: I had Max Fast. I hurt my back. I think

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Speaker 3: So I came back to school again again. Coach Behine,

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Speaker 3: you know, to leave school or whatever. He said, But

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Speaker 3: I know you, he said, once you come back one

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Speaker 3: but you want to win too. I don't get it twisted,

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Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So went back to school. Man,

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Speaker 3: one of the best decisions of my life. But you

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Speaker 3: know what, I was having so much fun in college.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: You know, you don't even understanding that. Bro. They like,

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Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, hey, you're one hundred and thirteen and

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Speaker 3: I think one of the other guys just broke our record,

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Speaker 3: you know. I think Chris Joseph and Brandon Trishanim. I

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Speaker 3: imagine that though DP Right, I'm one hundred and some

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Speaker 2: That's what I was about to ask you about.

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Speaker 1: Look, look, og oj oj oj, you can't talk to me.

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Speaker 1: I went to Cleveland. We won seventeen out of eighty two.

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Speaker 1: Feel your path, seventeen out of eighty two. It's just

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Speaker 3: I don't understand about us. It ain't about the money,

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Speaker 3: it ain't about none of that, bro, It's the frustration

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Speaker 3: of not yeah, you.

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Speaker 4: Up.

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Speaker 2: You want your whole lifey under your control. It ain't real.

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Speaker 6: It ain't as easy to say like like I choose

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Speaker 6: Like y'all were tied in for even longer than we

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Speaker 6: Especially when you contrast what you just said going one

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Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. You've been winning. You known as

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Speaker 6: I didn't win.

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Speaker 2: Like that in college.

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Speaker 6: You didn't win like that in high school and didn't

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Speaker 6: and then went straight to the bottom of the cellar.

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Speaker 4: That's hard, bro. I held up here, held up here.

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Speaker 4: I did win in high school, like.

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Speaker 6: Hey DC, DC, I know, I know we from the

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Speaker 6: same state. He ain't win those state championship like it

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Speaker 6: win so he can't.

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Speaker 2: Take to the state.

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Speaker 1: But that record was impeccable. I only lost ten games.

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Speaker 6: Losing the big one. He was used to that. He

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Speaker 3: Don't feel bad d Mark making them beat us. In

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Speaker 3: the big one state many stall the whole.

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Speaker 1: Game, you know, the game, all about the whole game.

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Speaker 2: I know that was it.

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Speaker 3: That was the frustrating part about it, man, more than anything.

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Speaker 6: You know, Hey, So this is the part I want

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Speaker 6: to ask you though. So you go through your whole

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00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 6: four years now and like you said, you're you're a

440
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 6: guy who watched the game. You rushing hunt to watch

441
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 6: prol washingt and this and that. So for you to

442
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,160
Speaker 6: be coming out in the draft, you get picked number one,

443
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 6: and you being compared to to Barkley Malone, these guys

444
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 6: you grew up looking at and being out of next year,

445
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,879
Speaker 6: you come in, I'm about to be rookie and now

446
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 6: I gotta go bust these dudes.

447
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 2: Ass, How was that for you?

448
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 3: Oh? It was beautiful? You know what I'm saying, because

449
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,719
Speaker 3: again we're looking at that as kids growing up watching

450
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,920
Speaker 3: the game of basketball. Man, studying the game of basketball,

451
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 3: and to reach that pinnacle. You know, I always remember

452
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,159
Speaker 3: calling my cousins. You know what I'm saying, because it

453
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 3: was huge. I'm a huge Charles Barkley fan. You know

454
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,880
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. What on Barkley?

455
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:20,119
Speaker 2: You know?

456
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 3: So I'm like, yo, I got chucked to night. Turn

457
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 3: the TV.

458
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 4: Yeah I got killed and Larry.

459
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 3: Bird, you know what I'm saying, turn the TV.

460
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 2: You know what.

461
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: As you from the era where you can't let you

462
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 1: you get no, not the game, you can't get propped, and.

463
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 4: No, man, he can't push me, by mistake, he can't.

464
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:49,120
Speaker 2: Do time out, got time out.

465
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 6: Not only not only was he of that era, like

466
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 6: he was one of them goons in that era, like

467
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,360
Speaker 6: he was like hold on, hold on.

468
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 1: Respect level was through the roof up here.

469
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 6: Listen, I just don't listen there you go. I'm like

470
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 6: you said, we historians at this. So I grew up

471
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 6: knowing it was a few dudes that you don't mess

472
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 6: with out there on the court, just from watching.

473
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 2: I'm just watching them. I'm watching all the games.

474
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 6: I say, okay, he will take you out. Okay, damn DC,

475
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 6: I ain't playing. That was open hand right there, like

476
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 6: come on, brother, But you say, look.

477
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 3: I grew up with Charles Oakley because he's from Cleveland,

478
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 3: you know, man, so he's come to Detroit all the time.

479
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,919
Speaker 3: I knew him when I was still in college. Still

480
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 3: my big brother, best friend to this day. But we

481
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 3: walk out there on that basketball court. Boy, your ass

482
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 3: is out about to fight.

483
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah, it's real.

484
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 1: They said that by bad q Q play against each other,

485
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: they be like, man, y'all like each other, Like nam

486
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: for the fuck him up?

487
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, ain't no way, man, we're going to I see

488
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 3: you at dinner when it's shit over there, you go,

489
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 3: I ain't going to dinner with you, or that I'm

490
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 3: gonna give you a pound.

491
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 2: Week on.

492
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: Straight up, a lot of people ain't coming to this

493
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: league averaging twenty and ten right off the back for

494
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 1: like five six years. For you to come in and

495
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: accomplish that, just say your first year when you want

496
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: with your year, where did you feel.

497
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 4: When you had your validation?

498
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 1: Like my rookie year, it was like a couple of

499
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: games and probably meant through the season that I felt like, oh,

500
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,719
Speaker 1: I'm good enough to really be here and play on

501
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: this level, especially coming out of high school with you

502
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: you coming in where centers and power forwards, it's a

503
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 1: track with itself equipped to go. You gotta have a

504
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 1: center and power for you or you ain't having no

505
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 1: team back then that's the first thing you had.

506
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

507
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 1: So for you to come in and average twenty. And

508
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: then when did you like, oh, man, i'm here.

509
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 3: What in college? Like, for one, if it was all

510
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 3: just based on scoring, I would have scored more points.

511
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 3: But see, that's something in my lifetime I never cared

512
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 3: about from high school to college. I never let us

513
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 3: in scoring my whole four years in Syracuse. But but

514
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 3: I was the leading score and rebounder in Syracuse history.

515
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 3: Lawrence Mowten just broke my record when he was in

516
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 3: schools as a top scorer in Syracuse. I never cared about,

517
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, scoring, You know what I'm saying,

518
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 3: as long as we get into w's man, hey, I'm

519
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 3: gonna pass the ball now, the games on the line, hey,

520
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 3: coach swinging here. You know, I just thought because we

521
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 3: you know, we zoned up a lot, and I just

522
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 3: really didn't get a chance to showcase that. You know,

523
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 3: once I got to the next level, I said, yeah,

524
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 3: you know, y'all ain't seen you know, the tip of

525
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 3: the iceberg yet. You know, yeah, y'all seen now yet.

526
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 3: And even with my coaches, they were like, there, you know,

527
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 3: you're only averaging about fifteen shots a game. I'm like, man,

528
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 3: I ain't tripping about that. You know, when the game's

529
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 3: on the line, Okay, me and Kenny go go to work,

530
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, So I never I never really cared

531
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 3: about it d at all.

532
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 2: Man.

533
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 3: It's just about getting a dug.

534
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 1: My coach was kind of like behind. We played two three,

535
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: We pressed. We never played, man. Man, Our offense was

536
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: real simple. We didn't have a long list offensive player.

537
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: It was just a few out of bounds and we

538
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: had about about four or five sets, you know what

539
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,719
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I used to feel like, man, it's

540
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: so hard to show everything that I got. I ain't

541
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: think people see what I can do. So when I

542
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: had opportunity to play other places, trying to.

543
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, but coach, you know, he again never restricted me

544
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 3: from doing anything in basketball, you know. And then ship.

545
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 3: But when Billy came there, man, I mean, oh my god,

546
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 3: you know that kid, I'm terrible. Man.

547
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 4: I lovely Golden State.

548
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: Oh so you in New Jersey, you win Rookie of the Year,

549
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: but you there with a superstar talent and Kenny Anders

550
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: you know us big man, we love them point guards

551
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: who gonna dish that thing and go get it to

552
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 1: us the right way?

553
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 4: How was it just rocking with Kenny.

554
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 3: I take Kenny out on his visit to Syracuse, all right,

555
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 3: so you know you're like, yo, you know it's cold.

556
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 3: So fast forward, right, we get to the draft. I mean,

557
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 3: I'm in the room with GMS and the coaches and stuff.

558
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 3: So they asked me about who should we take in

559
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 3: the draft. We already had Mookie Blaylock.

560
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, take everything we had Mookie.

561
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 3: Right, So they're like, who you think we should take

562
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 3: in the draft? So I'm like, Okay, I don't think

563
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 3: we need another point guard. There comes Steve and here

564
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 3: comes Billy Owes. So I'm like, whichever one of them

565
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 3: you want to take, I'm good because both of my homeboys.

566
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. You needed night of the draft, bro,

567
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 3: they draft Kenny didn't tell me nothing.

568
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 2: You know.

569
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 3: Now, I'm at the drafting because, like I said, it's Billy, Steve,

570
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 3: and Doug Smith playing at Missouri.

571
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 5: You know, all of us grew up together. So I'm

572
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 5: at the draft.

573
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 3: I had to go back because they had a party

574
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:48,719
Speaker 3: for Kenny and Jersey, so I had to go and

575
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 3: introduce Kenny. You know what I'm saying. At the party

576
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 3: in Jersey, I'm on fire party the party rocket right,

577
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 3: I'm in the lobby. I'm standing in the lobby pissed off.

578
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 3: I ain't participating at all. So they come out there

579
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 3: and get me. I go up on stage. I introduced Kenny.

580
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Shake his hand. I'm right

581
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 3: back out the door in the limo going back to

582
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 3: New York. So I come up there in the summertime.

583
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 3: Janet Jackson sawt Pepper is a concert going on. So

584
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 3: my boy like, yo, you know Sawn Pepper, Janet, you

585
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 3: know this concert in West Barry. You coming. I go

586
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 3: to the concert me my man ed lover of todd One,

587
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 3: all of that. So I see Rod Strick, you know,

588
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 3: straight to each other. You know, yeah, I see strict

589
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 3: We talking, you know what I'm saying. So he's like,

590
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 3: Kenny here, I'm like where. So Kenny comes out the room.

591
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 3: That's when he's messing with Spinderella.

592
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 4: OK.

593
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 3: So Kenny, Yeah, he comes out of the room as

594
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 3: soon as he see me. Hey, yo, come in here.

595
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 3: I need to talk to you for a minute.

596
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 2: Man.

597
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 3: I'm like, what up, Kenny. He's like, I heard you

598
00:29:49,440 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 3: ain't want to be in the draft, I said, you

599
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. But I plained to him, you

600
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So we started laughing. Man, And

601
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 3: I don't know if y'all remember Bill Fishing. Even let

602
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 3: Kenny play his rookie season at all?

603
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yes, let you play.

604
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 3: His whole rookie. I don't play rookies, you know what

605
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 3: I'm saying. But we still get drugs. You know what

606
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 3: I'm saying. He'll play you know, the shrub minutes. So

607
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 3: you saw, you saw talent and what he was able

608
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 3: to do. I mean, you know, Kenny is a legend. Yeah,

609
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 3: you know he got yeah to get out there on

610
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 3: that floor. Man, I mean it was dynamic. Bro. You

611
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying with him, It's only probably about

612
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 3: three four guys. I've seen fellas that really the basketball

613
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 3: is a part of them, but they're faster with the basketball.

614
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 3: First person. I seen like that Pearl Washington Chuck as

615
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 3: Pearl was that ball was like a part of him. Man, Yeah, Kenny,

616
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 3: I seen him like that, like that ball was a

617
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 3: part of him. Baron Davis. I played with Baron in Charlotte. Yeah,

618
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 3: step I see stuff. I'm like, man, that ball is

619
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 3: a part of him. Man, he flies like like they

620
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 3: got the ball. They faster, bro, you know, yeah.

621
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 4: They faster.

622
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, how was it for you?

623
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 6: You know, now you get like Kenny A and you

624
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 6: you went from not even wanting to draft him and

625
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 6: now you got him. And now y'all make the All

626
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 6: Star Game together. Y'all legit, you know one two times.

627
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 6: But I can remember on NBA Jam, I'm picking y'all

628
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 6: like Yo, the d d C d C and cool

629
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 6: time bow though, like you know what I'm saying, Like

630
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 6: y'all was you know what I'm saying, y'all was seeing

631
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 6: that they was marketing. Like, how was that for you

632
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 6: at that point in your career to be be in

633
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 6: that position?

634
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 2: Playoffs? Yeah?

635
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all about winning, you know more than anything.

636
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 3: I think that that everything changed for us when Chuck

637
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 3: Daily got their rest and soul like he understood it man.

638
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 3: He that gave you the influence. And like I said,

639
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 3: with me and Kenny, you know, we two lefties out there.

640
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, we having a ball, man.

641
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 3: And I always thought, you know, all Star games all

642
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 3: that stuff is political, man, because I'm like them cats

643
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 3: that they were picking on the All Star team me

644
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 3: and Kenny always thought like, yeah, we should have been

645
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 3: on the All Star team this year. But you know

646
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 3: it's patience and wear your time, you know what I'm saying,

647
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 3: and playing. But just that tag team man at tandem,

648
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 3: you know, with me and Kenny, Man, it was just

649
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 3: it was magic because again you got two left hand

650
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 3: guys out there.

651
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, left, both of them left these.

652
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 3: Right man, man, So it was great.

653
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: Man.

654
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 3: I was really like upset when they traded him because

655
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 3: again we was going to playoffs every year, playing Cleveland,

656
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 3: cleaning to beat the ship out of us there they

657
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 3: play Chicago, Chicago beat Detroit with be man, you know,

658
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 3: so we look forward to that challenge, and shit, they

659
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 3: traded Kenny. Drives passed away first, then they traded Kenny.

660
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 3: Then they didn't re sign Chuck Dailey as our coach.

661
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 3: So we took like eight steps backwards, man, like back

662
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 3: to the beginning, you know, like starting over again.

663
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 5: But that bothered me. That just bothered me, you know.

664
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 3: With with Kenny, because again, man, just what I could

665
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 3: see him do out there on the basketball, I mean,

666
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 3: just really take over a game, you know what I'm saying,

667
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 3: Like he'll get everybody engaging involved but you know, his

668
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 3: his demeanor was just like Yo, let's go. I got it.

669
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, like, let's go.

670
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was one more player.

671
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you that you played with Whint

672
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: get the opportunity to get a lot of him because

673
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: he passed away.

674
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: That was driving.

675
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: I used to love driving. He wasn't scared of Mike.

676
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: He wasn't scared of Mike.

677
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, and people people like you know, a lot of

678
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 6: a lot of generation don't really know. You know, obviously

679
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 6: the overseas community, he's a legend that but like the

680
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 6: American population, they may not be aware of how much

681
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 6: of a legend he was and how lethal he was

682
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 6: as a shooter.

683
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just couldn't get on the floor out there

684
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 3: in Portland. Man, So we traded for him. Bro just

685
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 3: man anywhere he's gonna put that up, you know what

686
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 3: I'm saying. And again he always accepted the challenge, you

687
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like he ain't gonna back down

688
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 3: from nobody. Man, and great, great dude, Man, I got

689
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 3: so big stove with drives bags.

690
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: So funny, man, all of us watched Dream Team one

691
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: in Barcelona. They can't for us to get selected the

692
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: dream Team too, which is my favorite players too. Like

693
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: I love that just as much. Like how was it

694
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: to get some time out time before?

695
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 2: Before? Did you just say that dream Team one can

696
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 2: mess with exactly? Okay?

697
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 6: Look, I wanted to make sure that that was that

698
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 6: was clear and playing, Okay.

699
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 2: I just wanted to make sure I was understanding it right.

700
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 3: I got the man one the other world man, which

701
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 3: is Shaquille O'Neill. Bro say that d n B that

702
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 3: you want to put, you want to put, you want

703
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 3: to put kill.

704
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 1: Larry Johnson got Smitty with you, got Regie, We got shooting.

705
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 3: Joe and Zeke and my guards and Mark Price and the.

706
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 4: Way and Kevin Kevin Johnson. Yeah, I went, you, I went,

707
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 4: you went.

708
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 7: I love it. I love dream to y'all. Kicked ass

709
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 7: just as what ain't no, no, no, I ain't said.

710
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 7: I just wanted to be playing and clear. So nothing

711
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 7: is misunderstood.

712
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 2: I hear look.

713
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 4: Dominic, they had him man, they had him man as.

714
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 2: To get later up out of there. You feel me? Yeah?

715
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 1: No so oneing man man, Mark Price. We just talking

716
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 1: aboute Yeah, Reggie, what you need we got?

717
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 4: Come on man, Yeah yeah that's tough.

718
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: How was that to just get selected to be on

719
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 1: that team the next Dream Team Grey.

720
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 3: I was riding and Rod Thorne called me on my

721
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 3: phones like, hey man, we got Dream Team too. You know,

722
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 3: we wanted to put you on the team. And he

723
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 3: was just running off everybody else that was on the team,

724
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 3: you know, and I'm excited, he said, And your homeboy,

725
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 3: Steve Smith.

726
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: That was that was the chair on time right over

727
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 2: time you side.

728
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 6: Two boys friend to be about to be cross the

729
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 6: water and representing the country getting it in.

730
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 2: That's dope.

731
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 3: Oh come on, man, don Nelson, you know what, what's

732
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 3: our coach? Man? Like I said, we had so much

733
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 3: fun man, and you know what it is. It gave

734
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 3: us more anything, just all of us to buy. You know,

735
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 3: we all go through it again back to people. They

736
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 3: don't understand us. Man. We all go through the same struggles, man,

737
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 3: and we don't share that with everybody. We share that

738
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 3: with each other because I understand that, you understand. So

739
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 3: it gave us a chance man to vibe. Man, we

740
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 3: had so much fun man, it's crazy. And they you know,

741
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 3: they still kind of like write us off, like we

742
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 3: won't that deal.

743
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 5: You know what I'm.

744
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 4: Saying, y'all, was that deal. I'm with you, y'all was

745
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 4: that deal? I see how y'all was taking that just as.

746
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 6: When people don't realize, like that's like anybody who's played

747
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,479
Speaker 6: in the NBA, like especially after y'all the Dream Team

748
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 6: one two after all of that, Like, to be picked

749
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 6: on that team is higher than an All Star level.

750
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 6: It's hired than this is the that's the highest level

751
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 6: you could get past, like winning the like that is

752
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 6: the biggest achievement to get pickedcause you're getting picked out

753
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 6: of the pool with the best players in the world

754
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 6: in the country to represent you. So it's like, yeah,

755
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 6: that's the pinnacle right there, Like right there when you

756
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 6: win the NBA, didn't the best of the.

757
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 3: Family, all our family was there and we're in the

758
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 3: championship and don Coach Nelson, you know, he just started,

759
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 3: you know, every every night time we played, we had

760
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 3: different teams, you know, to start find nobody tripping and that.

761
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 3: So it's the chip. So he's like, come on, Shaq, Dereck, Reggie,

762
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So when I'm walking by him,

763
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 3: I said, Coach, I'm finna get this ship over with

764
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 3: real quick. You hit me real quick. I had like

765
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 3: the first thirteen myself, pray, pray back to don't add

766
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 3: one boot. You know what I'm saying for the give.

767
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, Me and Steve we're sitting there man on the podium.

768
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I say, bruh. We went

769
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 3: from the ghetto to a gold medal?

770
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 2: Man.

771
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 3: Can you believe it? Can you believe this man? Not

772
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 3: in your wildest dreams, bro where we come from.

773
00:38:55,320 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 6: It's amazing what that little for you, ain't it. It's

774
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 6: amazing with that little bitty ball that we just playing with.

775
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 6: It could change the whole world.

776
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 4: Take you around the world, that right?

777
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ai, AI is I looked at A That's that's

778
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: our guy, bubb Chuck, but A I as a I

779
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: is your.

780
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 3: Rookie to this day.

781
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 4: Your rookie. You know that. That's all I got. So

782
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 4: how who was it to have AI.

783
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 2: As a answer? With all that swag? Man?

784
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 3: Alan was a rock star?

785
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 2: Yes, you hear me.

786
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 3: He was really a rock star. A great guy though.

787
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, I get you off his back.

788
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: Man.

789
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 3: He was a great guy. And him and Larry Brown

790
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 3: used to clash, you know, all the time. But Larry

791
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 3: Brown just wanted the best form and it just took

792
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 3: him a while to understand that. You know, He's like there, coach,

793
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 3: love you and MCKI and uh, Eric Snow, he'll get

794
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 3: y'all the shirt off his back. I said, he'll give

795
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 3: it to you, two ass I said, you just an asshole.

796
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.

797
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,919
Speaker 1: But he's so used to everybody against him like that.

798
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: Nobody would He ain't never been around.

799
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So I used to

800
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 3: get him all the time and to tell him because

801
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 3: again with us, we ain't never in no trouble man.

802
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. It's always somebody that's with

803
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 3: us that's on some bs and they say, hey, it

804
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 3: was him. So I should tell him all the time,

805
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 3: like Yo, send your homeboys home, man, you know, because

806
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 3: they gonna get you in trouble and they gonna blame you. Yeah,

807
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 3: they driving your cars, but they drive your cars. And

808
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 3: whose name is registered out of Iris?

809
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: Yeah?

810
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 3: We pulled out of Iris and over you know what

811
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 3: I'm saying. They got doings in the car, they got

812
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 3: weed whatever. He ain't no where to be found. And

813
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 3: it just took him a while to you know to

814
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 3: understand that broke but love me. He was just here

815
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 3: in Detroit. You know what I'm saying. I came and

816
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 3: went to go see him, and right before all this

817
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 3: COVID stuff stuff sees he's seen me start crying.

818
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 6: Now, just what you said about a like one of

819
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 6: one of the one of the first, but not one

820
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 6: of the first time I ever met him.

821
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 2: You remember d D was sick.

822
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 6: This was old something groog but like speaking of like

823
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 6: how good of a person he was, Like you said

824
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 6: same in the same instance. Off he beat him being

825
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 6: a rock store. We go out. It's the first night,

826
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 6: you know, Larry Hughes my og. So he bring us

827
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 6: and we got show bug. We bring us so like

828
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 6: we got we getting the limbo on everything. And I

829
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 6: got like a like you know, I'm fresh. I ain't

830
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 6: even got my jewels game, right, Yeah, I got like

831
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 6: a I had like a diamond cut three. That was

832
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 6: my college and going to Lias my mom. I got

833
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 6: like a diamond cut three. So you know, he come

834
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 6: when he get in the cars, hey, I get it.

835
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 6: He gets settled in he's saying, what's up everything. Then

836
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 6: he looked at me, he like he like, oh, he

837
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 6: got you a little three like, ain't no three change.

838
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 6: He tells, homeboy, go get his chain, homeboy, come down

839
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 6: with the big boy, stupid diamond out three change. Then

840
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 6: he take my chain off my neck and put that

841
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 6: one on. I'm like, oh man, you got man. I'm nineteen.

842
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, I got I changed. On going to

843
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 2: the club we ain't have I was like, it's crazy,

844
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: it is.

845
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 6: Lit, and like that's speaking of what you said, and

846
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 6: the same is here a rock star.

847
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 2: As soon as we get out, It's like, ah, but

848
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 2: he didn't.

849
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 6: He didn't already took care of the young boy and

850
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 6: made me feel like a million bucks walking in this joint.

851
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 2: The whole night is over with.

852
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 6: It don't matter what happened by now, I'm telling everybody's

853
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 6: a crib. I was wearing a chain the whole night.

854
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 6: He put it on my neck.

855
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 3: Like yeah, great, great dude, Man, great dude. Like I said,

856
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 3: he came here me. I went to mother and we

857
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 3: had some drakes and stuff, and I'm like, the fucking

858
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 3: what you crying for? Just like I just ain't seen

859
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 3: you in a minute. You know what I'm saying. I

860
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 3: get emotional when I get around you. I said, man, man,

861
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 3: it's just real.

862
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 4: Look and chuck.

863
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: He always get that's why he'd like talk to me

864
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: like that, because you're gonna have me here cry like.

865
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 4: That when somebody showing that love.

866
00:42:55,560 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 3: He crying, right, yeah, Coach Brown. Uh here I put

867
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 3: al on the phone with him. Man, he started crying again.

868
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: That's that's real, man, like man, Coach Brown, you know that.

869
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 5: Man, start crying all over again.

870
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.

871
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 6: Look, so look, you one of the it's only a

872
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 6: few people that the big like you said.

873
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 2: The eighth Wonder of the world.

874
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 6: He only really acknowledged a few people in the history

875
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 6: really dunking on them. And you, you and I remember,

876
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 6: I remember the dunk. I remember that you come his

877
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:54,720
Speaker 6: as so so how I getting dumped on after that dunk?

878
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 6: But then the next time y'all saw him, that's when

879
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 6: he pulled down the structure.

880
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: Right, But tell me about that whole deal.

881
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 3: Well, we out there right off the rip again, man,

882
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 3: talking ship to each other. You know what I'm saying.

883
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 3: That's how all of us grew up playing me.

884
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 2: What he gonna do?

885
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 3: You know that ship, yo, You ain't got nobody down

886
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 3: to check. I'm gonna get forty. You're gonna get forty

887
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 3: in this post. I would miss the game. He'll follow

888
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 3: all of us out, you know what I'm saying. So laughing,

889
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 3: talking ship, talking ship, And I drove that bitch and

890
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 3: banged it on his motherfucking head, banged it. I hit

891
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 3: him with that. See see the kenbase stole that finger.

892
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 3: Like yeah, so he come back next time again. We

893
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 3: talking ship, you know what I'm saying. So Dwayne's sisters

894
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 3: is out there. God rest his soul too, you know,

895
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 3: man Shack spent on the mouck.

896
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 4: The whole structure came down to God.

897
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 2: I would never in my life forget that.

898
00:44:58,640 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 4: How was the crowd looking.

899
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,959
Speaker 3: Everybody was looking like when everybody with their mouth over God,

900
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 3: this mother just snatched the old bad I will.

901
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 6: Never in my life forget when I saw that, like

902
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 6: on Sporting or whatever.

903
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 3: I was like, but you look cute.

904
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 2: Though.

905
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 3: It gets better because Nick Anderson wasn't even supposed to

906
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 3: play that night. He had the flu.

907
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 5: He had like forty.

908
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 6: Five sleeping on Nick putting them buggets on forty five.

909
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 3: So we running back down suppose like I thought you

910
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 3: were sick.

911
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: Couldn't stop it be the best games when you when

912
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 1: you said it, say like you feel something different stopping bro.

913
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 3: Nick was killing us.

914
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 2: Man.

915
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 3: You know all of us come out, you know together,

916
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 3: Me and Nick played McDonald's All Game, all all that together.

917
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:56,479
Speaker 2: Man, Look gay, Nick my number in the McDonald's game.

918
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 3: It's been some boys ship all my life, this game,

919
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 3: McDonald's All American Game, Downtown Cobo Hall. And you're gonna

920
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 3: give Nick Anderson forty four and now you gave me

921
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 3: forty three?

922
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 2: Oh wait what?

923
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 6: Let me ask you this? Was he ranked higher or something?

924
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 6: Because usually that's how they try and.

925
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 3: Do you Probably, I don't know.

926
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 5: Probably, Hey, I went out there and gave him the business.

927
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 3: Though.

928
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: Straight up, you know you're gonna pay for this one.

929
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: You from Detroit, you grew up watching Detroit basketball. You

930
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: get the opportunity to put a Detroit jersey on, Like,

931
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: how was that to just you know, I know it

932
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: was kind of at the end of their career.

933
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 2: I like the candidates. I like the candidates.

934
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 3: That that turned me off from basketball, you know, that

935
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 3: turn that turned me off because the first chance I

936
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 3: had an opportunity to have a win in my life, right,

937
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 3: they just won the championship and man, I'm ready. You

938
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. I'm like, Okay, I got an opportunity.

939
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 3: I got some guys I've been knowing, you know what

940
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 3: I'm saying all my life. You know, first time in

941
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 3: my life really politics playing to the game of basketball

942
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 3: with and again, I've been knowing Joe Dumars all my

943
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 3: life since I've been a kid. He comes to the summertime,

944
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 3: they come to the gym and play with us, you know,

945
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:26,760
Speaker 3: and to get home and not be able to play

946
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 3: to show out. You know what I'm saying. That hurted

947
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 3: me more more than it And I wasn't come on, man,

948
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 3: I'm fifteen years in it, so I wasn't trying to

949
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 3: start or nothing. But you sit here trying to tell

950
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 3: me that I can't play at all, you know what

951
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 3: I'm saying. So that that hurt me. Again, that hurt

952
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 3: me more than anything. Bro, sitting there watching I could

953
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 3: have sat up there, bro another ten years if I

954
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 3: wanted to. But that's not who I am. If I

955
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 3: can't play a participate man in the game.

956
00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 6: Bro, you know what, I'm gone, Yeah.

957
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's not who I am.

958
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 2: Man.

959
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 3: So that was probably the most frustrating in my life,

960
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 3: Like I still haven't signed my retirement paper. Bro That's

961
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 3: how pissed off. I was like, when I left Detroit

962
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 3: and uh, you know they waived me. So J Kid

963
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 3: called me. You know what I'm saying. He wanted me

964
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 3: to come back to Jersey. Toronto had called me Houston.

965
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 3: I just wasn't feeling it. I told my wife that

966
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 3: She's like, baby, I said, I'm done. She was like,

967
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 3: you're just mad, you know you frustrated right now? I say, yeah,

968
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 3: I am that, baby, But I said, I can't. You know,

969
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 3: that's not who I am. I can't. I can't do that.

970
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 3: And the first time that had actually moved my family home.

971
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 3: You know, I stayed in Jersey phill Lead. You know,

972
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:50,959
Speaker 3: you know how we do. We go somewhere. We're taking

973
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 3: our own man, So bring up my kids and you

974
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 3: know more, I'm like, I'm done. I probably stayed in

975
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 3: the house broke by two weeks. I'm saying, just didn't

976
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,959
Speaker 3: do nothing, you know what I'm saying. But for two weeks, man,

977
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 3: you know, and that there evaluated.

978
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 6: That's the part that a lot of people, like general

979
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 6: regular people don't understand.

980
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: They feel like, man, what are you tripping for? He

981
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 2: got out.

982
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 6: I'm like he played fit. Nah, Bro, you don't understand.

983
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 6: It's a lot deeper than that. Fuck Like you said,

984
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 6: it's about like number one before you get to anything.

985
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 6: We play this game of basketball because we love to

986
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 6: play basketball. Like the money and everything that came, we

987
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 6: had no clue that we could achieve that when we

988
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,959
Speaker 6: started loving this game, Like this is all after the fact,

989
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 6: So don't ever get it twisted and think that just

990
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 6: because they on TV they all stars or they making money,

991
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 6: like everything is gravy and they don't have regular life

992
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 6: and real life happening to them. And like that was

993
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 6: a point where it was like when I retired, I

994
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 6: didn't want to. It was a situation that I had

995
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 6: no control over it. Just I can't say that, you

996
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying.

997
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 2: I went out.

998
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 6: I didn't go out of the house, but I was

999
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 6: I know I was in a place where I was

1000
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 6: fucked up.

1001
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 4: I was mad.

1002
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 6: I was better than watching the games. And it went

1003
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 6: for me watching the games. Now I'm becoming a mad ball.

1004
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 6: I'm hating he's weak. It's time for I should be

1005
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 6: out there. I better than him, I'm better than him.

1006
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 6: Then I go to I don't even wann watch it.

1007
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 6: I turn it off, you know, I'm mad, and then

1008
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 6: I go to like, you know what I'm saying, I'm like,

1009
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 6: I love boy, I gotta watch it. Then I go back.

1010
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 6: I eased myself back in to watching and then it

1011
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 6: just like it was. It was us getting used to

1012
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 6: like this, ain't you no more?

1013
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1014
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 3: You know what we do. You know what I'm saying.

1015
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 3: We're good baby, you know. But but you know what

1016
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 3: I'm saying, because we built that way. You know, we

1017
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 3: can't never have a bad day, you know what I'm saying,

1018
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 3: because we're at the threshold of our families regards.

1019
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 4: We're the leaders.

1020
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

1021
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 4: He can't show emotion.

1022
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: We gotta stand up, keep our chair high so everybody

1023
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: else they strong, just.

1024
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 4: Very fucked up.

1025
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:54,439
Speaker 2: They see.

1026
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll talk that man.

1027
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 3: You know, I had to go in the basement and cry.

1028
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 3: I can't let nobody see me crying. They're like, damn

1029
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 3: d crime, Like, oh man, God can be fucked up

1030
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 3: and be crying because I ain't never seen him cry,

1031
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 3: you know.

1032
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: And that's why I love seeing our brothers walk off

1033
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: in their turns.

1034
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 4: I love to see when d Wade walked off the Coreer.

1035
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: I love to see when they get that because all

1036
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: of us don't get that and all that stuff. All

1037
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: of us, some of us get the politics to get

1038
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 1: our ass kicked on out and ain't nobody fuck with us,

1039
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: like like we stink or something like we smell or

1040
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: something like. But I love to see my brothers like

1041
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: d Wade and then when they get walk in my

1042
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: tributes and they get all that stuff, like, I love

1043
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: to see that I might have gotten out, have got it,

1044
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: but I'm happy.

1045
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 3: And then think about it. Larry Brown was my coach,

1046
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 3: my coach in Philly, so he came to Detroit. So

1047
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 3: even when I was coming to prim like coach ship,

1048
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 3: you know what's up. So he was trying to get

1049
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 3: showed them to trade Dorko and then they had just

1050
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 3: gave Dice a bunch of money. So that when he

1051
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 3: said that, I'm like, Okay, here come to pop a

1052
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 3: team And I'm like, Dawn, these are all my brothers.

1053
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:04,919
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Like again, we've been knowing

1054
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 3: each other forever. I'm on tripping about that. But you

1055
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 3: sitting there, Elden Campbell, you know what I'm saying, so

1056
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 3: you sitting here, tell it me that I can't play

1057
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 3: at all. My question was too him, like, what the

1058
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 3: fuck you bring me here for?

1059
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 2: I could stay.

1060
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:23,240
Speaker 3: Billion play two more years and been good. You know, yeah,

1061
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 3: you know, so the money ship. You know what I'm saying.

1062
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 3: So I'm like, yo, man, all right, I'll holler I

1063
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 3: see y'all later. Man, I'm good.

1064
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 4: This is a kind of fun question.

1065
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 1: We kind of asked everybody, like, out of all the

1066
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 1: teams you played for, all the teammates you had in

1067
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: the n b A, if you had to pick four

1068
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: other players to play with.

1069
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 4: You, who would beat them? Four other players? No matter

1070
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 4: what team, I'm gonna get to eight.

1071
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 3: Wonder you know what I'm saying. That keeps that keeps

1072
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 3: me what I need to do I'm gonna get. I mean,

1073
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 3: I grew up loving magic my whole life, man, so

1074
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 3: definitely you know magic. I wish it we could go

1075
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 3: back in time because I could have played with girl.

1076
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 3: That's the reason I wear forty four to this day because.

1077
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,280
Speaker 4: Mann.

1078
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, right, yeah, yeah.

1079
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 3: You know got guys like that. Man, even Kareem just

1080
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 3: for me, his knowledge of anything. See, people don't don't

1081
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 3: give Kareem his respect man because he he said the

1082
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 3: hell with the Olympics back then.

1083
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1084
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 3: So so without a guy like Kareem saying the hell

1085
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 3: with the Olympics, bro, we were never even known about

1086
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 3: a Spencer Haywood. That moves Spencer Haywood right into that position, man,

1087
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 3: and he went and dominated the Olympics. They're like, man,

1088
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 3: who the hell is this kid? Guys like that man?

1089
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 3: You know, like everybody say, you know, with with Mike.

1090
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 3: I love Michael's death, But I mean I grew up

1091
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 3: a Bad Boys fan, right I did you know I'm

1092
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 3: gonna rep Detroit for for life? Bro?

1093
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 4: Another fun game? Start bench cut, you gotta start one.

1094
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 3: You got one?

1095
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 4: You got cut? Call alone, Charles.

1096
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 3: You know you know what I'm saying, Start.

1097
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 6: Start camp boy, that boy.

1098
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 4: You started kimp. You mentioned barn.

1099
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 3: And the reason, you know what, I don't have that personally? Well,

1100
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 3: I take that back. I shouldn't let it go now,

1101
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. But I don't know if

1102
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 3: you all remember. And again, like I said, I grew

1103
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 3: up in Detroit, Piston.

1104
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 2: Oh, I know where you're going with this.

1105
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,720
Speaker 3: When he elbowled like there in his game.

1106
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 4: I remember that you hated him forever for that.

1107
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: Any how you played, that's all you thought about. That's

1108
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: all you're talking about. You know what I'm saying, take

1109
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: right here?

1110
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 2: That would you know what I'm.

1111
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,720
Speaker 4: Saying, You gotta take one for the town. I already

1112
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 4: know I should let it go down.

1113
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

1114
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 6: But that's how I felt. You will know who I

1115
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 6: felt like that about. When I first got the n

1116
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 6: b A, I hated Regimenter like that I used to

1117
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 6: want to do. I used to try to do regiment

1118
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 6: of bad every time I saw him. I'm like, and

1119
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 6: I'm gonna I mean, I was more physical than him.

1120
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 6: I was like, yeah, watch and then he used to

1121
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 6: do a little dirty stuff anyway to make you want

1122
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 6: to mess him up. He'll throw you here'll scratch your arms,

1123
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 6: and he'll stop and go and bump ahead. But you

1124
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 6: so I was like, man, I'm about I don't like

1125
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 6: regime Middle. You know what I'm saying. I got like,

1126
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 6: obviously we cool. That's the O G dow he cool with.

1127
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 6: Like when I first got to I ain't never say that.

1128
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 6: I used to secretly in my own mind at him

1129
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 6: like I'm about to give him one of the day.

1130
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 6: He's always nestling Mike. I'm on him like he get

1131
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 6: that one shot beat on the player game.

1132
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 5: One game, I choked him out.

1133
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 3: He ran up on me. He was talking ship. He

1134
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 3: just ran up on me.

1135
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 5: Before I knew it, Man, I had locked around his neck.

1136
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 3: Man, you know what I'm say, I don't hold no.

1137
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 6: I love Regie Ready, the coolest dude O that boy.

1138
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 6: But I used to secretly never saying nothing about it.

1139
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 3: When we was on Dream Team too. You know what

1140
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 3: I'm saying. We all we laughed about it, like, man, Man,

1141
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 3: you choking Ship out.

1142
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 6: I'm like, I know what I wanted to bring up,

1143
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,720
Speaker 6: because this is something that's kind of slept on people

1144
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 6: my age and our age and our era. They remember

1145
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 6: it and know it, and people that are sneaker heads

1146
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 6: know it. I want to talk about the time when

1147
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,399
Speaker 6: you had the b K diamond cells. Now listen, I'm

1148
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 6: gonna tell you the significance this is to me because

1149
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 6: this is when I literally this is when I was

1150
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 6: in sixth grade. First time I ever played on the

1151
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 6: AU team. AU coach Garry Butler come get me with

1152
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 6: the Illinois Warriors. Never got a free pair of shoes

1153
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 6: never got anything. This is like in the very beginning

1154
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 6: Illinois Warriors. We was a big deal in Chicago, our

1155
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 6: big program, and so this was in the beginning. We

1156
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 6: had to do phase. The first deal we ever got

1157
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 6: was with British Knights and we got the BK dynasall.

1158
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 6: I remember the commercial with you being on the table

1159
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 6: doing you like Frankenstein. They putting you together because your

1160
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 6: game was so crazy. It was like and then they

1161
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 6: electrocute you and you calld like how was that for

1162
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 6: you to be from the Detroit from the hood and

1163
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 6: then you you you all starting now you got a

1164
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 6: shoe company about to give you your own shoe.

1165
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 3: So it was crazy because my whole life I grew

1166
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 3: up wearing Nike, right, you know you know what I'm saying,

1167
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 3: and all through college and everything.

1168
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 5: You know that, and when you reflect back on it now,

1169
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 5: Q that's how they set us up to.

1170
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 2: Love whatever it is. Yeah, what they do whatever it is, right.

1171
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 3: So I have deals on the table, you know what

1172
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 3: I'm saying. With Nike. I never really been Adidas guy

1173
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 3: in my life. But when they came to the table

1174
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 3: and I was just telling somebody that I said, what

1175
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 3: y'all don't understand is yeah, I could have signed you

1176
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying with Nike, and I don't know

1177
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 3: if they even would have gave me my own shoes, right,

1178
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 3: I would have had a shoot, but they will might

1179
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,439
Speaker 3: not have been my shoe. But the thing they didn't

1180
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 3: understand was Nike is not gonna pull up to the

1181
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 3: hood Q with the eighteen willing unloaded for these kids

1182
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 3: over here. And that's what BK. That was a difference.

1183
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 3: It wasn't even about the money. The difference was I

1184
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 3: can get on the phone when it's cold outside and

1185
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 3: be like, hey, my high school, everybody in my neighborhood,

1186
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 3: I need y'all to bring a truck and we're gonna

1187
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 3: give away backpacks, coachs and gym shoes. And they like, Derek,

1188
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 3: what's the day? You want to do it at the

1189
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 3: time and wear it? And were there?

1190
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 5: So everybody in my neighborhood BK to the fullests it

1191
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 5: wasn't Brooklyn.

1192
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel now, I feel the man.

1193
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 5: So that that was the difference.

1194
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying for me again giving back

1195
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 3: to my neighborhood, giving back to my community, and those

1196
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 3: kids still to this day. You know, I'll be on

1197
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 3: on the ground sometime. Man, the kid will pop on there.

1198
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 3: Like yo, Man, I remember when you brung up brung

1199
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 3: Us diamond sales man and jackets and all that stuff. Bro.

1200
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 3: I never forgot straight up.

1201
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 6: That means BK was definitely ahead of the curve. But

1202
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 6: now now everybody reboy, you will see any of them

1203
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 6: come be. I seen everybody pull up and everything. I

1204
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 6: remember I went to one of d Wade camps back

1205
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 6: when he was with Converse. He had a camp at

1206
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 6: the Crib in Chicago, but he he went in one day.

1207
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 2: She showed me. I said, Man, they got all these

1208
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 2: convers in here like this, like he's about to give

1209
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 2: them everybody. I was like, Yo, that's love, brother.

1210
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 6: They just any size, a million pair of any size,

1211
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 6: and he was just throwing them out to anybody in need.

1212
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 2: That's dope.

1213
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 3: And that's what it is, man again, using your platform,

1214
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 3: man to enrich the lives of other people. Bro, that's

1215
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 3: what we're here for. Yeah, that's what's up.

1216
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 6: Let me ask you this because I remember I was

1217
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 6: there in Detroit during the time when they had the

1218
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 6: Flint water crisis. I was working for the pistons, and

1219
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 6: you know, a lot of people mobilized and did things.

1220
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 6: I know, I read that you were driving sixty five

1221
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 6: miles a day transporting water back and forth with you know,

1222
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 6: you and your own your own.

1223
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 2: Boys, and y'all was getting trucks and stuff.

1224
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 5: Me and she going Friday. She was just with me

1225
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 5: this morning at food pantry.

1226
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 2: Now, I remember she.

1227
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 6: He was bringing trucks for the twelve wheelers from from

1228
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 6: North Carolina. I remember that I talked to him when

1229
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 6: he was doing that at that time. So just just

1230
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 6: talk to me about you know, how heavily you involved

1231
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 6: with the community and the youth.

1232
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 2: You got the DC League team.

1233
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 3: It's just what you said earlier. You know, we raised

1234
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 3: that way. It's in our DNA of who we are

1235
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 3: about helping people, you know what I'm saying. It's not monetary,

1236
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 3: you know all the time, man, And I've been doing

1237
01:00:57,960 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 3: that my whole life. I mean since I was a kid.

1238
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 3: It growing up. My uncle is still in that, you know,

1239
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 3: my grandmother instilling that in us always, you know, give back,

1240
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 3: help people. So it started off really in my neighborhood,

1241
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 3: rebuilding the playground that I grew up playing on and

1242
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 3: doing tournaments and clinics like that for all the kids

1243
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 3: you know in the neighborhood, and building strip centers, you know,

1244
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 3: putting everybody to work that's in my neighborhood, you know,

1245
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 3: jobs and opportunities like that. Then we do all start

1246
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 3: give back. All start give back we've been doing for

1247
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 3: the past twenty one years. And all start give back

1248
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 3: is over the holidays, Thanksgiving and Christmas. We donate food

1249
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 3: and families in needs. So we start off my neighborhood

1250
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 3: giving away like two hundred turkeys. Yeah on your Instagram,

1251
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 3: how we're up over ten thousand. You know what I'm saying.

1252
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 3: Big Seane GP comes every year.

1253
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 6: Yeahge, he told me he's about to come. You know,

1254
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 6: he was working together and he told me when.

1255
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 2: He was.

1256
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Mike Epps, I mean everybody dal hugely, you

1257
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 3: know nas everybody always come, you know and participate. Man,

1258
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 3: and it's it's just us, you know, If not us,

1259
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 3: then who bro So we had to take the time

1260
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 3: to help our people no matter what. So when the

1261
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 3: whole crisis happening in Flint, you know, we had eighteen

1262
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 3: wheelers of water to take up there. But see again

1263
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 3: you go to politics, we got water to bring to

1264
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 3: the city of Flint to help people up there. I mean,

1265
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 3: Mateen Cleeve Mo Peterson, all them cash from Flint. So

1266
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 3: I'm on the phone with them, Yo, no, you know,

1267
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 3: we need you to take it over here to this

1268
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 3: water station. But I'm like, no, we can't take it

1269
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 3: to the water station because half of our people don't

1270
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 3: have transportation, you know what I'm saying. So me and

1271
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 3: she and I'm like, okay, ma, team, what the projects

1272
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 3: that were going to the hood we whip up in

1273
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 3: the hood? Man? I loath you know, yeah, yeah, bro,

1274
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 3: But again it's just taking time out, man, using our

1275
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 3: platform to rich the lives of other people. Man, because

1276
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 3: them people are mentally drained up there. Bro. You know

1277
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like when you have somebody something like

1278
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 3: they shocked because they're like, damn, that's dere Golber.

1279
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 2: You know.

1280
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 3: After they get that water, they're like thank you. I'm like, yo,

1281
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 3: y'all all right, man, you know what going the house?

1282
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 3: Man turn the water on. It's just all rush, you

1283
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, everything, Bro, it's messed up up there.

1284
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 3: Still to this day, they haven't fixed the problem.

1285
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: From the time I seen you you ain't never been

1286
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: like nobody was, never running up on you the wrong

1287
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 1: way or nothing like that. And you know, you see

1288
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: some players that like I demand respect on this court.

1289
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 1: I might not be the best player, I might be

1290
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 1: not be this, but you're gonna respect me, you know

1291
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.

1292
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 4: Of course, And ever since I seen you play you already.

1293
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 3: Man, who is the toughest man and woman I've even

1294
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 3: known in my lifetime? Bro? Real talk y'all gotta think,

1295
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 3: Like I said, growing up in Alabama, Bro, I was

1296
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 3: going through segregation in the seventies. You know what I'm saying.

1297
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 3: What they they were locking us, you know what I'm saying,

1298
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 3: the libraries like last day in school and and all

1299
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 3: that stuff. He used to chase us home. Like I said,

1300
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 3: I grew up playing little league football and baseball. Man,

1301
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 3: we used go to a place called Alabama Village. Man.

1302
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 3: Every night, the motherfuckers would chase us home, singing their

1303
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 3: dogs owners all that shit, bro, every every night. So

1304
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 3: my my grandmother, man, my heart, my backbone, taught me

1305
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 3: everything you know, never to take no shit, you know,

1306
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 3: from nobody to this day. You know, so she was

1307
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 3: she was it toughest male woman I ever seen in

1308
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 3: my life. Bro. She instilled that, you know in us

1309
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 3: as kids.

1310
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 6: With that being said that you saying what you just

1311
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 6: went through, how do you feel what's going on with

1312
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 6: the social climate in the country and around the world today,

1313
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 6: Like what's your take on things?

1314
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 3: It's just it's sad. You know. I told some people

1315
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 3: that I actually posted on my Instagram. I said, Man,

1316
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 3: what y'all gonna understand? We still crying from m Matill

1317
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 3: And again, it's it's systematic racism, and nothing's gonna change

1318
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 3: into you change the system, you know, and they're never

1319
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 3: gonna change the system. You know, We're never gonna be

1320
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 3: accepted as a people. And we have to realize that.

1321
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying when I'm sitting there and

1322
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 3: I'm watching that, and again, we've all had experience like

1323
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 3: that in our lifetime. We've seen that. But I know Derek,

1324
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 3: Derek is not gonna sit there, me and you together

1325
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 3: and the cop arrest you and he got his knee

1326
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 3: on your neck. And you think I'm gonna sit there,

1327
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 3: stand there and watch that.

1328
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 5: No, me and you going to jail today or me

1329
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 5: and you're gonna die today.

1330
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 3: Bro. But I'm not gonna let that happen. But I'm

1331
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 3: so conscious of that now. Man, It's like, I don't

1332
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 3: even let nobody ride with me. I mean, I know

1333
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 3: it's the COVID and everything right now, because I don't

1334
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 3: want you riding with me and something happens. Bro, you

1335
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 3: still got the phone video on it and somebody out

1336
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 3: here choking me out. You know what I'm saying.

1337
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 4: Many og I do not play that phone shit. You

1338
01:05:58,600 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 4: pull your phone out playing with me.

1339
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 1: I don't not play the phone ship because I'm never like,

1340
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 1: who does that when somebody in danger. They'll have a

1341
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 1: motherfucker out there drownable. How you got footage you want

1342
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 1: to hold their phone instead of going to save the

1343
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 1: kid or saving the person.

1344
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 4: I just I don't understand that. And I guess I'm

1345
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 4: from the old school that.

1346
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 2: Had you seen shock got out here in Florida.

1347
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 6: He got on the side of the road where it

1348
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 6: was a family and some kids, and you know they

1349
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 6: was somehow in the rest or whatever, crash or whatever,

1350
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 6: and you see him he ain't doing no like like.

1351
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 2: You see people out there himself. And then you over

1352
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 2: in the.

1353
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 6: Police when they pull you see the dash camera him

1354
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 6: standing there telling them to look out for them. I

1355
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 6: just pulled up to like, that's what you're supposed to do. Man,

1356
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 6: Do like, don't sit back here with a cam.

1357
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 4: What you're recording for?

1358
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 3: And when do we become so passive as a people?

1359
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 3: You know, like I said, I couldn't stand there and

1360
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 3: watch it, and I'm sitting there people a video on it.

1361
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, it's hot whatever in Minnesota. I know

1362
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 3: somebody got a bottle of water or something. Man hit

1363
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 3: him in the head.

1364
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 2: Make him get like yeah, yeah.

1365
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 5: Do something.

1366
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 6: Man.

1367
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 3: Don't just stand up with that phone. Man, the guys dying,

1368
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 3: Man urinating on itself. Man, it ain't nobody even helping him.

1369
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 3: Man calling for his mother. Bro, Come on, I've been tired, man,

1370
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 3: I've been fed up with it. You know what I'm saying,

1371
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 3: Just like, okay, guys, what are the solutions? You know

1372
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 3: what what is it that we have to do?

1373
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 2: Man?

1374
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 1: You know, looking at the league when you came in,

1375
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 1: and looking at the league now with the money, and

1376
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 1: just like how different and how he evolved. You see

1377
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 1: how this game then turned into what it was when

1378
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 1: you came in too. Now, Like how how proud of

1379
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 1: this the NBA. This game is involved, like.

1380
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 3: The game has changed so much because they taking the

1381
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 3: physicalness out of the game of basketball. You can't touch

1382
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 3: nobody no more, you know what I'm saying. And everything

1383
01:07:57,160 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 3: now is a jump shot. Even my kids now with

1384
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 3: with DC Elitue and I go in the gym with

1385
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 3: they jacking up threes. Man, I just be sitting there laughing,

1386
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 3: and I was like, looking, Man, let me explain something

1387
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 3: to y'all. I got a picture in my phone of

1388
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 3: Drising at the three point contest, right he's shooting. Dell

1389
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 3: Is sitting down and Steph got to be about four

1390
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 3: or five years old, sitting on his knee, and I'm

1391
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 3: showing them this picture like y'all only seeing the finished product.

1392
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 3: Y'all understand how much work this kid has put into

1393
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 3: this gym to get in that position that he's in.

1394
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1395
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm saying. You just can't get a jump shot overnight.

1396
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 4: You got to work the world work.

1397
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 3: In So the league has just changed, man, because they

1398
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 3: taking the physicalness out of the game and now everybody

1399
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 3: is a stretch.

1400
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 2: For That's what I want to ask you.

1401
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 6: How do you look at that when you was like,

1402
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 6: you know, it was it was hard on you, and

1403
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 6: you you one of the originators of this.

1404
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 4: Stretch for and do you do you look like you

1405
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,679
Speaker 4: wish you could have played in the era like this way?

1406
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 2: Hey man, too physical for this.

1407
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 3: I played in the best air sports there are, man,

1408
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,600
Speaker 3: I played in the best air bro because think about this,

1409
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 3: not only the talent level across the board. I grew

1410
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 3: up in hip hop. I'm in Jersey, right across the

1411
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 3: bridge from New York City. You know what I'm saying.

1412
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 3: I grew up with all them guys. Man, when it

1413
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 3: was no camera phone.

1414
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 5: Us at that time.

1415
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 3: With camera phones we've probably been kicked out of school everything.

1416
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 2: You know, I'm glad I just missed the social media era.

1417
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:43,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love it, man, I love the era that

1418
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 5: I grew up in.

1419
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 3: And again, when I'm watching basketball, they was you know,

1420
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 3: it's crazy when you rebound again as bigs. If I

1421
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 3: don't have to rebound, I'm running to get a layer

1422
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 3: for a dunk. The other big he the trail guy.

1423
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 3: Now I'm watching it, all of all my bigs is

1424
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 3: running to the wings, spread spread.

1425
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:07,639
Speaker 1: And nobody run down the middle. And nobody run down

1426
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,720
Speaker 1: the middle. Nobody run to the box or nothing.

1427
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 2: I got.

1428
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 1: I got taught to run straight to the gold, turn

1429
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 1: around and seal and say and work my way back.

1430
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 4: I'm going first. Yeah, I understand that.

1431
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 3: Run into the wings.

1432
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 2: So do any of your players ever give you a

1433
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 2: hard time? Like you shot jumping? You was a big

1434
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:29,599
Speaker 2: with skins.

1435
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but you wasn't me.

1436
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 2: Oh okay, there you go. There, it's a difference here.

1437
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 2: You ain't d C.

1438
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 4: You ain't a legend. Now you ain't a legend. Yeah,

1439
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 4: you gotta get that.

1440
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 3: Settle for the jumper. Why have I got somebody half

1441
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 3: my size on me? Why would I pull up to

1442
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 3: the jump shot. I'm gonna take you down here to

1443
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 3: this paint. I'm because what's gonna happen? Hey, we gotta

1444
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 3: go double team. There you go, You're gonna come and

1445
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:56,679
Speaker 3: double TV.

1446
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 5: I'm gonna find one of my teammates.

1447
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:03,560
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. That's basketball man. Yeah, so no,

1448
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:06,680
Speaker 3: I don't just settle man. And I sit there and

1449
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:10,680
Speaker 3: I watch that and everything. You know, and again, you

1450
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 3: are not Golden State, period.

1451
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 2: Everybody cannot be Golden State.

1452
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 3: And Kate Kate slay my man anyway, though, because every

1453
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 3: night he got a guard.

1454
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 5: He got the hardest match up the guard.

1455
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 7: Man.

1456
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 3: He's still thumping it. He's still thumping it, bro. But

1457
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:31,599
Speaker 3: he got the hardest up every night. Man. He checking

1458
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 3: checking the best player on that team, man, and he

1459
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 3: thumps it.

1460
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 2: Love. Yeah, straight up. So so this is one of

1461
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 2: the questions I like to ask og.

1462
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:43,520
Speaker 6: Like you from the hood in Detroit, went to Syracuse,

1463
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 6: went to school for four years. When you get drafted,

1464
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 6: you go number one. You bawling what you did to

1465
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:52,200
Speaker 6: treat yourself? You know, we all when we got that

1466
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 6: first money, we did you do something you ain't what

1467
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 6: you did?

1468
01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:59,679
Speaker 3: None bought my mother house.

1469
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 4: Okay.

1470
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 3: For me, I had a guy like Dave being in

1471
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 3: my life, so it was my mentor. I still drove

1472
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 3: my college truck I think for like three years, my

1473
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 3: first three years. Yeah excellent, you you know, because I

1474
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 3: always looked at it like this, I got it now,

1475
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like, I know I can

1476
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 3: go get it. So that's half the fun, you know

1477
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:26,560
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So I'm just like, okay, by my

1478
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 3: mom's house. I've never been a huge you know, like

1479
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 3: jewelry guy stuff stuff like that. I had a couple

1480
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 3: of nice, nice things. You know, but my first three years, Bro,

1481
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 3: I drove my car that I had from from college.

1482
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 3: I wasn't you know, tripping David.

1483
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 1: Being to have somebody like that as a mentor to you,

1484
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 1: it's like so big and so important to your life

1485
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 1: and your career.

1486
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 4: Like that's why when I talk to the younger.

1487
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:55,600
Speaker 1: Guys, I try to drop any jewels it's possible, like

1488
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:56,639
Speaker 1: get this knowledge.

1489
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:57,599
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

1490
01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 1: I've been trying to give to my kids, but even

1491
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:02,680
Speaker 1: everybody else. Uh man, you got a guy we did

1492
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 1: a little session for the NBA where we did this

1493
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 1: uh this thing where guys wanted to listen about how

1494
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:10,639
Speaker 1: we started our podcast and stuff like that and other

1495
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:12,560
Speaker 1: NBA guys. And one of the guys he's from the

1496
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 1: D League. I can't remember this full name, but he's

1497
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 1: from the D League and he was really got started

1498
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 1: his own podcast and man, it's just.

1499
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 2: He just reached out to us and he gave information.

1500
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, he just hell text me and Q.

1501
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 1: It just feels good to just have a guy like

1502
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 1: that to just reach out and we just try to

1503
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:33,360
Speaker 1: give the knowledge or so for far because it's out

1504
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 1: there and you.

1505
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 4: Know, with us throwing up in the hood, you get talked.

1506
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 4: Don't ask nobody for ship.

1507
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:41,639
Speaker 6: His name is Kyle Castling, and he started the Trials

1508
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 6: Make Champions podcast.

1509
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 2: He's a g league and he.

1510
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:47,639
Speaker 6: Got he got a lot of people in this belt already,

1511
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:49,639
Speaker 6: so he getting it cracking, and like we got.

1512
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 3: We gotta jump on this podcast and support support.

1513
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, most definitely.

1514
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 3: But that's that's it, man. You know, with David gave

1515
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 3: me a lot of insight. But you still understand fan

1516
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 3: with us growing up and not having once we get it,

1517
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:08,599
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like, we're gonna spread the love.

1518
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 3: That's who we are. We gonna spread the love.

1519
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 4: Man. So we were talking about you know, you know

1520
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.

1521
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 3: And even my house that I grew up in. I

1522
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 3: remodeled my house in my neighborhood, like I stayed in

1523
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 3: my hood, probably about ten years before I actually moved,

1524
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 3: you know, ived the house that I grew up in.

1525
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 3: So you can ride down my block. I'm sitting out

1526
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,719
Speaker 3: there on the porch, you know, my cousin them chilling.

1527
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 3: I might have a bottle of Chris out there.

1528
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 5: With yeah somehow, but I'm hugging the flock.

1529
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, what's the chick? Was it Wi Willow

1530
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:51,720
Speaker 3: Bay or whatever from NBA inside stuff. She came and

1531
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 3: did a story on It's so crazy them little kids

1532
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 3: that was in the street. I was messing with. Man,

1533
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 3: they've grown and got their own kids like that.

1534
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 5: So I had all the video games and stuff like

1535
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:08,400
Speaker 5: that in my basement, so all.

1536
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 3: The kids would come on miles and play video games

1537
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 3: and hang out. Man, you know. But for me, it

1538
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 3: just always letting people know that, man, I ain't no

1539
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:20,880
Speaker 3: different from you. You can achieve everything without achieve you know.

1540
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 3: You just gotta have some discipline, You gotta have some

1541
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:25,720
Speaker 3: good people around you, man, you know, and you just

1542
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 3: got to stay motivated, you know, with it.

1543
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 4: That was one of the things.

1544
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 1: The reason, like they was wondering why I always went

1545
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 1: back to East Saint Louis, was this is one of

1546
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:35,680
Speaker 1: the murder capitals. Like to go back to East Saint

1547
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:38,640
Speaker 1: Louis because it was like when I came up, you

1548
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:41,720
Speaker 1: couldn't see nobody like me. You couldn't see nobody who

1549
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 1: made it. I want to ride rolls Royce, not to

1550
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 1: be stunned or or try to show off in front

1551
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:48,600
Speaker 1: of nobody in the hood. I want these kids to

1552
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:52,760
Speaker 1: see somebody from here that everybody, your whole family know

1553
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 1: accomplished something that you can do.

1554
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 2: This all about that, you know what I'm.

1555
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:00,640
Speaker 5: Jews in the driveway. Yeah, what's up.

1556
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 6: And even though he had seen it from his uncle,

1557
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 6: Jason Tatum came on this show saying when he used

1558
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 6: to bring it, bring the big race up to the

1559
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:11,639
Speaker 6: program in the summer League, everybody being there, like man, black,

1560
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 6: big black, got to got the Rose Royce outside, Like

1561
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying.

1562
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 2: Jason Tatum to this day was like, man, when I

1563
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 2: get when I get on, I gotta get one of them.

1564
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 2: And you know what I'm saying. So that was some motivation.

1565
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:23,519
Speaker 5: It's motivation, man.

1566
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:26,560
Speaker 3: And our kids need to see that, man, because of

1567
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:28,680
Speaker 3: everything you know that they're going through. Man, they need

1568
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 3: to see that. Like, nah, man, you can get it too.

1569
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 3: So people don't even know that, I've never had an agent.

1570
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:37,679
Speaker 5: In my life.

1571
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 4: Oh your whole career, that's a bar.

1572
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 3: I've never had a man. I have a lawyer, right, lawyers.

1573
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm trying to put guys up on game back

1574
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:53,600
Speaker 5: then with.

1575
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 4: That, yeah, control you ready get drafted.

1576
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 3: He was like Derek so you know, everybody agents the

1577
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 3: interviewing process. You know what I'm saying. I'm sitting there

1578
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:07,720
Speaker 3: with him, He's like, I mean what you need an

1579
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 3: agent for? Because I mean, again, this is the norm, right.

1580
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, you're going number one and number two in

1581
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 1: the draft.

1582
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 3: You don't need no agent. So you just hire a lawyer, Derek,

1583
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:23,839
Speaker 3: and let him negotiate the contract. So I hire a lawyer,

1584
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 3: negotiate the contract, pay him what I needed to pay,

1585
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 3: and kept all your money, kept it and you know that,

1586
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 3: you know, lawyer fees it even negotiable, you know what

1587
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:38,720
Speaker 3: I'm saying. So I was trying to give all the

1588
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 3: cats then, like, yo, man, you don't need no agent. Man.

1589
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:43,680
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, You're going top five in

1590
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:45,760
Speaker 3: the draft that you need an agent for? How are

1591
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 3: you a lawyer?

1592
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:46,639
Speaker 1: Man?

1593
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 3: You know, again, just trying to share the knowledge and

1594
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 3: the information, you know what I'm saying. And God still

1595
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:56,799
Speaker 3: couldn't like really comprehend it because it's just been embedded

1596
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 3: in us, you.

1597
01:17:57,439 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 5: Know for so long.

1598
01:17:58,360 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 3: Man.

1599
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 2: That was kind of like when we got we got

1600
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:02,639
Speaker 2: our agent, Like we got our agent.

1601
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:05,639
Speaker 6: We both signed with the same guy, Jeff Jeff Wexler,

1602
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 6: He didn't charge us on our first deal because you know,

1603
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:11,679
Speaker 6: at that point it was already slotted. It was nothing

1604
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:14,479
Speaker 6: really to negotiate what we were gonna get when you

1605
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 6: get picks based on what you did prior to signing

1606
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 6: with him. So he told us, he was like, you know,

1607
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 6: I know a lot of your peers are gonna be

1608
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 6: charged from four percent to whatever by our agent. He

1609
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 6: was like, I'm not gonna do that. He was like,

1610
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 6: the only money that I'll make off y'all is any

1611
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 6: endorsements I bring y'all. Other than that, I won't make

1612
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 6: money until y'all signed y'all new deal. I won't charge

1613
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:35,760
Speaker 6: off to y'all. Now, he since had to change some

1614
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,560
Speaker 6: things up because you know how people be leaving and

1615
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:40,759
Speaker 6: doing all this crazy. He had to take care of himself.

1616
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 6: But like for the whole I don't know how long

1617
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:46,400
Speaker 6: that was, not until like very recently that happened. Yeah,

1618
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 6: So it was like, you know, I was telling people

1619
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:50,599
Speaker 6: like man like to this day. He'd been our agent

1620
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 6: the whole time, still like a big bro to us

1621
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:55,040
Speaker 6: to this point, and really showed us a lot in

1622
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:56,800
Speaker 6: the game that he didn't have to do because, like

1623
01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 6: you said, things are such the norm that we walked

1624
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 6: in the door. Whatever he would have told us we

1625
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 6: was gonna do, we was just, you know, we didn't

1626
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 6: know no better. It was just a blessing. It was

1627
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 6: just a blessing that he was a good dude and

1628
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 6: a good person. And he came in and he was

1629
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 6: like as he was bringing us along, he was showing

1630
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 6: us the game, showing us like, look look at this,

1631
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 6: don't do this like this, don like and if one

1632
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:18,560
Speaker 6: of the biggest things he told me, because I'm you know,

1633
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 6: I'm from the hood. I never forget my rookie in

1634
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:23,679
Speaker 6: the NBA, and I had Alvin Gentry as my coach

1635
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 6: and de mind you remember this. I thought that I

1636
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 6: was supposed to be playing. I was busting ass and

1637
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:30,120
Speaker 6: practice and I thought I was supposed to be playing.

1638
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 6: I'm getting straight dnps. This has never happened to me

1639
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 6: in my life. I'm living. I don't know how to be.

1640
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:39,639
Speaker 6: I don't know how to be, and I don't got

1641
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 6: no big bro on the team to touch me and

1642
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,720
Speaker 6: tell me, hey, don't nah. I'm in this thing a

1643
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 6: ball of fire, letting everybody. I never forget Jeff telling him.

1644
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:52,720
Speaker 6: He was like listen. I understand you upset you think

1645
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 6: that you aren't getting what you deserve. He was like,

1646
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 6: but listen to what I'm about to tell you, or

1647
01:19:57,200 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 6: listen to me carefully. He was like, when you put

1648
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 6: yourself in the position that they think that you're this

1649
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 6: asshole and you're this bad guy, I promise you, it's

1650
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 6: so much harder to change their opinion of you than

1651
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 6: to just do the right thing. From the beginning, he

1652
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 6: was like, I don't care how mad you get and

1653
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 6: what go. You can't do certain shit. You can't say

1654
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 6: certain shit to your coach. You gotta tuck ass and

1655
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 6: be cool, and you gotta pick and choose win and

1656
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:24,599
Speaker 6: be smart about it. And you like, look, I ain't

1657
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 6: telling you.

1658
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:25,240
Speaker 4: I know.

1659
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:27,600
Speaker 6: I can never tell you to be a punk or

1660
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:29,760
Speaker 6: to punk out or be a sucker, or to do

1661
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:33,720
Speaker 6: any of that stuff. But you can't do what you're doing.

1662
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 6: He was like, the path you take and I can't

1663
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:38,280
Speaker 6: help you from. He like, if you don't listen to me,

1664
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 6: I can't do nothing for you. Like I'm telling you,

1665
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 6: Once you get that label on you in this NBA,

1666
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 6: it's hard to get it off. And he changed my

1667
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 6: career with that because I was the all know I

1668
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 6: was wild, and while I was every time you turn

1669
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:53,600
Speaker 6: around trying to curse somebody out or yell at somebody a.

1670
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 2: Fight like.

1671
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 4: Chill out, chill out.

1672
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:00,160
Speaker 6: It was easy Benn to tell me that DC he

1673
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:02,640
Speaker 6: was playing, he was the number three pig, he was

1674
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 6: the he was the guys sing.

1675
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:05,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm talking to me, bro. I tried to

1676
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:07,839
Speaker 2: get the game, bro, I gotta fight everything.

1677
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:08,559
Speaker 4: I get.

1678
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 5: You ain't feeling me, bro.

1679
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 4: D C.

1680
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:20,640
Speaker 1: I did feel because that rookie year one game he

1681
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 1: didn't play me. I went in that bitch crying the

1682
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 1: next day right after the game. I'm in that bitch crying.

1683
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:29,519
Speaker 1: I ain't never not been dressing and healthy, and they

1684
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 1: never played.

1685
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 2: So I felt him.

1686
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:38,640
Speaker 4: I ain't get you. I ain't given two three games.

1687
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 2: After that one. What's going on?

1688
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 3: You should have got you.

1689
01:21:53,560 --> 01:22:00,599
Speaker 2: I've been yo.

1690
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 6: Man, this was everything. But like, we got so much

1691
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 6: love and respect for you. O. G been looking up

1692
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 6: to you for a long time.

1693
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 3: The mutual man. Like I said, Man, we we share

1694
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 3: a common bond through the game of basketball, man, and

1695
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 3: people will never understand that with us. Man, it's just

1696
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 3: just it's just.

1697
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 4: Loved you know all, I'll never understand. We don't never

1698
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 4: have to talk.

1699
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 3: But yeah, exactly, I ain't talking all the rest of

1700
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:28,559
Speaker 3: the year, but I bump.

1701
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:30,760
Speaker 2: Into straight up.

1702
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 4: You know it, You know it right you left off.

1703
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:36,720
Speaker 3: People don't understand that. Man who don't play sports. Man,

1704
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 3: you know that basketball is amazing. Like still to this day,

1705
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:43,680
Speaker 3: my high school friends, my college friends, you know, we

1706
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 3: still hang out, we still get together. And this generation it's.

1707
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 4: Not just brotherhood. My generations of brotherhood.

1708
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:55,800
Speaker 3: Me, Sharon, Billy, Steve, all of us played together. But

1709
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 3: you got John Wallace, Lawrence Mo. Yeah, like all of

1710
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:00,160
Speaker 3: them us.

1711
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:04,800
Speaker 5: It's about twenty five of us on the group chat shit.

1712
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:05,720
Speaker 2: So we do this too.

1713
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 3: We all get on zoom and be on the phone,

1714
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 3: laughing and talking ship to each other.

1715
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 2: Man.

1716
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 3: It's great, man, that's what it's about.

1717
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:15,959
Speaker 4: John Wallace used to be fucking folks.

1718
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 2: Love John Wallace.

1719
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, John to work folk.

1720
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 2: On man.

1721
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:33,280
Speaker 3: They just retired up there last year. Yeah, man, y'all

1722
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:34,120
Speaker 3: stay safe.

1723
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:39,720
Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, you know yeah, man, big to you.

1724
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 3: Man.

1725
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 6: We we definitely appreciate all you're doing, especially for the

1726
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:45,559
Speaker 6: community and everything.

1727
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 2: Man. That's that's what it is you showing you showing

1728
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:49,600
Speaker 2: us young boys what to do.

1729
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:52,960
Speaker 3: We got to use our platform man to change kids lives.

1730
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:54,720
Speaker 3: And we we know all of them are gonna get it,

1731
01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. But the ones that do. Man,

1732
01:23:57,360 --> 01:23:58,599
Speaker 3: you got opportunity, bro.

1733
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:01,599
Speaker 4: Keep that good energy. Were keeping a positive energy.

1734
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:05,719
Speaker 1: Man standing in that lane and and and just dismissed

1735
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:08,760
Speaker 1: that negative Stay positive, man. Praise our brothers and show

1736
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 1: show the accomplishment and let them know that.

1737
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 4: Man like it's somebody, show what you did.

1738
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 3: Stuff that you guys talk about. You know, other motherfuckers

1739
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:20,720
Speaker 3: ain't talking about that. I sat there with that mic

1740
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:22,759
Speaker 3: in my ear. They're telling me to say something negative

1741
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:23,719
Speaker 3: about my brothers.

1742
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, not not happening. Happening in

1743
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 2: the scene when we first started to.

1744
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:39,320
Speaker 5: Some you know mother than that.

1745
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:40,680
Speaker 3: I ain't saying that.

1746
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 2: He shouldn't have did that. He shouldn't have did.

1747
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:53,680
Speaker 4: He probably didn't know all these years while you was

1748
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 4: in his ass like that. But now he knows that.

1749
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:01,040
Speaker 2: I'm over.

1750
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 3: You know, car, you ain't catch that man.

1751
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 5: He's trying to play no blah.

1752
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 2: That's good.

1753
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:17,439
Speaker 4: We only play our twice so she I can I

1754
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:18,599
Speaker 4: can afford these two.

1755
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 2: Man, that's been. That's a wrap, man, We got the

1756
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 2: old Gus Man.

1757
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:27,560
Speaker 3: Appreciate you guys. Man, you know what I'm saying. We

1758
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:29,720
Speaker 3: know and that's what people don't understand too. Man. We

1759
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:32,120
Speaker 3: can sit here talk about this ship to the Sun.

1760
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 4: Stopped for hours day.

1761
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 3: We understand that, we understand the struggles because we all

1762
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 3: have been through them.

1763
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:41,760
Speaker 2: You know.

1764
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 3: That's what's up. Bro, Yes, sir, appreciate you God.

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01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 4: The Players Tribute dot Com

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Speaker 3: I