1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: Max Williams filling in today. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they 9 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Today's episode is a doozy. 10 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 1: We are diving back into the world of alleged cults, 11 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: several of which you may have never heard of before. Now, folks, 12 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: please be aware that this episode or series contains descriptions 13 00:00:55,920 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: of violence, as well as serious emotional and physical abuse, 14 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: sometimes against children. As a result, it may not be 15 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: appropriate for all listeners, but we wanted to give you 16 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: a heads up. Uh And additionally, our legal department probably 17 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: wants us to say, in all but one of the 18 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: cases we're discussing today, we're exploring allegations, not proven crimes. 19 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: So with this in mind, we're also making space for 20 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: responses to these allegations where appropriate. But before we get 21 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 1: into any of that at all. We've got to respond 22 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: to some allegations about us, folks, uh, Matt Noll. The 23 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: rumor is that we don't just have a book, we 24 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: have an audio book and we're allegedly going on tour. 25 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna say we were a cult. Geez. 26 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: We're cult of personality, all right, I suppose, and that 27 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: we all have personalities and we hang out together and 28 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: talk about spooky stuff. But we're gonna be doing that 29 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: in person. Well, first of all, we're gonna be doing that, 30 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: uh virtually and audio book form where you can listen 31 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: to the entirety of our book stuff that it wants 32 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: you to know, available soon anywhere audio books are found. 33 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: That's right in the book releases on October eleven, and 34 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna be celebrating by going on the road. We're 35 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: gonna be in Atlanta, Washington, d C. And Plainville, Massachusetts. 36 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: Check out the site stuff you should read books dot 37 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: com to learn more. And speaking of learning more, whenever 38 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: we talk about organizations like this cultic groups, you'll see 39 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: why we're calling that them that and a bit. Uh. 40 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: We first have to talk about the C word. What 41 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: is it about just the phrase cult? That makes makes 42 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: the concept so inherently controversial. Uh, here are the facts. 43 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: There's some tricky stuff about the C word, and the 44 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: three of us have run into it extensively in the past. 45 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: We have a little list of related episodes, uh that 46 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: we like to keep track of in in our show notes, 47 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: and uh in this for this episode, I just put 48 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: there too many, too many other episodes to name. We 49 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,399 Speaker 1: have done a lot of work on cults, as has 50 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: the International Cultic Studies Association, which attests that at least 51 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: two million, five hundred thousand Americans have joined some of 52 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: these cultic groups during the past thirty to forty years, 53 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 1: which means that some people who joined groups during the 54 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: nineteen sixties, seventies, and eighties went on to have children 55 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: who were born or raised in these environments. UM. Highly 56 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: controlling cultic environments. Yes, and if we want to define 57 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: a cult, we can to an extent. Uh. Well, let's 58 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: give let's let's give a quote here from that same organization. 59 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: Occult is quote a religion or religious sect generally considered 60 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: to be extremist or false, with its followers often living 61 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, 62 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: charismatic leader check check check. I do have to ask 63 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: the notion of something being false seems very relative. You know, 64 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: I mean one person. When we always say one person's 65 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,839 Speaker 1: cult is another person's religion. It's very difficult, now impossible 66 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: to prove the validity of one's religion, of any sort 67 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 1: of deity or the existence of any kind of you know, 68 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: religious figure from the beyond. So that term definitely throws 69 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: me a little bit. The extremist part is a little clearer, 70 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: and the idea of this controlling authoritarian guidance typically under 71 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: an individual or a small group of individuals that are 72 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: kind of working together to exert control over their followers. Yeah, 73 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: this is an interesting point. By false, let's uh, let's 74 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: frame it this way. False doesn't necessarily refer to one's 75 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: spiritual beliefs. And you know, our longstanding policy on stuff 76 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know is that your spiritual 77 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: beliefs are your own. Uh. Instead, false here it seems 78 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: to be referring to objectively disproven information. So for example, 79 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: if you say I am starting, you know the n 80 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,679 Speaker 1: C O B New Church have been and our belief 81 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: is that when your physical body dies, you are reincarnated 82 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: as an item at the closest taco bell. That's fine, 83 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: that's a spiritual belief. But if you were to say instead, um, 84 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: the New Church of Been believes that books are hoaxes. 85 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: They don't actually exist. Anytime you thought you saw a 86 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: book or a library, you were wrong. You were misled. 87 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 1: Wake up, sheeple, Like that is demonstrably false because everyone 88 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: has seen a book, even if you don't like them. Yeah, 89 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: those are just items from your local taco bell. But 90 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: we also see, you know, shades of that within fundamental Christianity, 91 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: for example, h who some who claim that evolution is false, 92 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: evolution isn't real, or a certain scientifically proven things are hoaxes. 93 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: So you know, it kind of the whole when when 94 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: person's religion is another persons called, it still holds true. 95 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: And there are these weird gray areas that we do 96 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: have to dance around because it's a very interesting area. 97 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: How are you going to disprove that Jesus came from 98 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: Venus and landed on a specific hill in England? Right? 99 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: And why are you going to ruin someone's day if 100 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: they believe something that makes them happy. That's that's kind 101 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: of the liminal space that I wrestle with personally. It 102 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: is important to note, though, that many organizations that have 103 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: been called cults find the term profoundly offensive. They feel 104 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: being labeled a cult diminishes their legitimacy and it kind 105 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: of attacks their beliefs. And that's, of course, you can 106 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: see why people wouldn't want to be described as a cult, 107 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: and for this reason you'll see some groups calling cults 108 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: unorthodox religions instead. UM. But as well intentioned as that 109 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: might be, I argue it still falls far short of 110 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: the mark because there are groups that don't seem to 111 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: have a thing in common with the stereotypical film and 112 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: fiction idea of a cult. Fitness groups can be cultic, 113 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: life coaching organizations can be cultic. MLM multi level marketing 114 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: outfits can definitely be cultic. And with that in mind, 115 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: it's best for us to center the definition of a 116 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: cult on the tactics and practices used by a group 117 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: rather than a specific set of beliefs. And what are 118 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: we talking about here? We've mentioned this before, especially I 119 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: think most recently maybe guys in one of our Listener 120 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: Male episodes where you've talked about UM. Any particular group 121 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: that operates in a certain way. Right, Uh, maybe it's 122 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: not a religion at all. Maybe it's a juice company. 123 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: It's a small cafe that specializes in juice or something 124 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: like that. And additionally, maybe they don't even have some 125 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: kind of official book or maybe three thousand books like 126 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: one of the organizations we're going to talk about today. 127 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: They just have some set of practices that make you, 128 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: as an adherent or someone who wants to be a 129 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: part of the group, go through all kinds of rigorous mental, emotional, 130 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: physical things, tasks that are meant well, I say, I 131 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: think we say, are meant to control you as a follower. Yeah. 132 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: Check out our video from years ago that still holds 133 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: up how to start a cult. It walks through the 134 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: different steps that these organizations will use to control someone's body, 135 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: more importantly, their mind bonus points. You will see me 136 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: successfully get our pal Chuck Bryant to join join a cult. Uh. 137 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: Probably should follow up with him on that. I think 138 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: I left him hanging on the news last her. But yeah, 139 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: it's true. It's almost content agnostic, and that is not 140 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: to diminish again, anybody's metaphysical or spiritual beliefs It's just 141 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: to say that what matters to the definition of occult 142 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: is again the tactics. You will have a leader who 143 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: cannot be questioned. You'll have very strict dictates about what 144 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: you do in your day to day life, what you 145 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: can eat, how you can spend your time, what kind 146 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 1: of job you can or can't have, when you can sleep, 147 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: or in the amorous sense, who you can sleep with, 148 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: who you can fool around with. You might be forced 149 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: to not pursue romantic interest, or you might be forced 150 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: into a marriage with someone you don't know. Uh. And 151 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: then also your children will be controlled, often brutally in 152 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: these sorts of environments. The big big thing restricting information. 153 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: This is the key. This is how they keep you 154 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: from uh asking too many questions about venus for instance. 155 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: Uh and this that example is just stuck in my head. 156 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 1: And then you know the big them versus us, insider 157 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: versus outsider. Yeah, exactly, And that's the way they restrict 158 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: your interactions with others, right be. And that's a part 159 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: of restricting information that comes to you as a follower. Well, 160 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: that includes even you know, your your own family and 161 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: loved ones. The idea of separating you from them and 162 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 1: their influence because they are a threat. They are a 163 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: grounding influence that has the ability to pull you out 164 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: of this new reality that is sort of taking precedent 165 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: over what others might argue is you know reality. Um. So, 166 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 1: the more they can do to separate you from those 167 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: folks who might have influence to pull you out of this, 168 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: the better and more successful they can be at recruiting 169 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: you know, new members that are full adherents. Yeah, always 170 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: be worried of any organization that treats all questions as 171 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: though they are hostile interrogations. It's hate to ask stuff. 172 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: It's actually it's a very good thing for humans to 173 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: do in general. I mean, also, do cults get a 174 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: bad name? Yeah, because you usually you don't. You usually 175 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: hear about cultic organizations when they meet with Disaster, Heaven's Gate, 176 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: the Manson Family, the flavor Aide, Massacre, Jonestown, But you 177 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: don't hear about a lot of the groups of people 178 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 1: who just got together because they share the same beliefs 179 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: that maybe or share the same aspirations that maybe uh 180 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: don't vibe with the mainstream society in which they live. 181 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: They're not abusing their members. They may not even necessarily 182 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: be proselytizing like going out and trying to convert. They 183 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: may have no sinister intentions. They just maybe have some 184 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: different holidays and some different opinions on what happens before 185 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: you're born or after you die. As I like being 186 00:11:55,160 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: a big fan of fish, they say so and maybe 187 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 1: fishes the charismatic leader. They do good things, they're happy, 188 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: and they don't even well. I've mentioned in the past 189 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: two that I had some dabblings or encounters with the 190 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 1: be High Faith, which is a group that has you know, 191 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: if you look up behind Faith you'll see google instance 192 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: saying is the behind Faith occult. And a lot of 193 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: that stems from the fact the prophet behind a law 194 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: is a relatively speaking, modern figure, um, you know, certainly 195 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: not ancient like like the you know, mast heads of 196 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: many other religions. And I found it just to be 197 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: a very family oriented group of people who were very kind. 198 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: I didn't feel like I was trying to be arm 199 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: twisted into any kind of action or any kind of 200 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: behavior or anything. Um. It was something that some friends 201 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: of my my kid, um you know, invited us into 202 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: and we went to a few of their meetings and 203 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: it was lovely. Um. But that is a group that 204 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: I think likely, in my opinion, unfairly gets that wrap. Yeah, 205 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: big is it's easy to demonize or vilify those who 206 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: have different beliefs tail as old as time, and of 207 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: course the bi high faith is arguing for things that 208 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: everyone can agree are generally a cool idea. Don't be 209 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: a jerk to people. Try to make the world a 210 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: better place, you know what I mean. Another another religious 211 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: group that gets a lot of unfair bad press is 212 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: the Sikh community and the Sikh community and I haven't met, 213 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: of course every adherent to that faith, but everyone I 214 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: have met have been universally awesome. So you can't. You can't. 215 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: We have to be careful not to unduly judge people 216 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: or to paint with a broad brush. But with that 217 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: being said, with these important notes about how to think 218 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 1: of organizations described as cults or cultic, we have to say, 219 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: even with all those caveats, there are many, many, many 220 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 1: more cults out there then you might have guessed. So 221 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: I say we pause for a word from our sponsor. 222 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: It's obviously scientology, and then dive in. Here's where it 223 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: gets crazy. Uh, And we're not talking about that that 224 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: c I a ad. You guys hear about that. There's 225 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: a CIA recruitment ad that's been running on our show. 226 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: You don't even have to be a Georgia Tech student 227 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: anymore to get one of those or you know, M 228 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: I T. They just send it to everybody careful. So 229 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: so the cults, though, I guess you can say factions 230 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: of the CIA functioned as a cult during at certain times. Right, 231 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: cultic reasoning is what leads to wild stuff like MK ultra. 232 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: But today, when we're talking about obscure cultic organizations, we're 233 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: talking about organizations that have been described as such, often 234 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: by form or followers or by outsiders. It is incredibly 235 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: rare for a leader or active member of one of 236 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: these organizations to say, hell, yeah, brother, we're a cult. 237 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: Join on in, you know. And if there was someone 238 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: who did that, I would probably hear their pitch, because 239 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: I prize the honesty and advertising. I'd be like, okay, well, 240 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: you know, uh. We wanted to make it clear that 241 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: in all but one case of what we're discussing today, 242 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: these are active organizations. You can visit their websites, we have, 243 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: you can even in some cases request uh, literature or 244 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: learn more. What we're saying, what we're describing now is 245 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: in no way an endorsement of these organizations. Uh, nor 246 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: is it us putting our opinion on this. We're just 247 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: dealing with publicly available info. And uh, to my knowledge, 248 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: none of the three of us have been active members, 249 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: thank goodness of the organization. And we're about to describe. 250 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: Why don't we start close to home. There's one in Atlanta, Georgia. 251 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: It's a it's a political movement that's been described as 252 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: a cult, the Black Hammer Party, which I I'm sorry, 253 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to start off with tongue in cheeking 254 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: this year, but I just can't not think of MC hammer. 255 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: When I think of the idea of a Hammer party Hammer, 256 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: I think of parachute pants and that sideways, you know, 257 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: hammer dance move with the legs kind of boat out. 258 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: That is not what this is. Um, we'll see. I 259 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: think about the Black Panther Party for self defense, but 260 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: like a play on it, right, like Huey Newton styled 261 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: on thing where it's the Black Hammer instead, because that's 262 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: more I don't know, you can hold it suggressive imagery, 263 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I was thinking of the the hammers 264 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: those low level bosses throw in in Mario games. But 265 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: I might just have a case of black hammers. Yeah, no, no, no, 266 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: I mean that's probably good. What's that black? Kind of 267 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: like a seasoned steel, like cast cast eye, Aaron. I 268 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: guess those old school hammers and sledge hammers might have 269 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: been made of. Um. But let's let's let's do start 270 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 1: right here. It are in our home turf of Atlanta. 271 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: You likely may not have heard of, and I had not, 272 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 1: and I live here. Of the Black Hammer Party. It 273 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 1: is a relatively young group, formed only as recently as 274 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: two thousand and nineteen. The Black Hammer Party a k a. 275 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: The Black Hammer Organization started as a collective of people 276 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: who were disgusted by the ongoing systematic institutional racism of 277 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 1: the United States, the government, the police, all of these systems, 278 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: and rightly so I think we all share that perspective 279 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: to to some degree or another. Yeah, And the founders 280 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 1: here described themselves as activists. Primarily, they are a collective 281 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: of people who have backgrounds in what is called radical 282 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: black separatist pro segregation organizing. So the idea is that, uh, 283 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: to address the evils and the historical consequences of colonialism. Uh. 284 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: We one must organize the working class. One must decolonize 285 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: by making one's own community that does not suffer from 286 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: the evils of racism. That is understandable, right, that's you 287 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: don't need to believe in some god from Venus to say, yeah, 288 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: let's get rid of bad stuff in society. After the 289 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 1: murder of George Floyd and nationwide protest, the group experiences 290 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: a significant rise in public profile and in active members. Uh. 291 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: They also become uh known for social media. I don't 292 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: want to call them stunts, but they become known for 293 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: being quite adept at pulling the levers of social media, 294 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: and they can go viral with things hashtag no COVID. 295 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: They once protested outside of the c d C in 296 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: support of Nicki Minaj because the Black Hammer Party was 297 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 1: very much against COVID vaccination. And when Nicki Minaj also 298 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: came out on Twitter saying she was skeptical about vaccinations 299 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 1: because of what happened to her cousins, scrowed, um, then 300 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: that's true, you can look it up. Then they wanted 301 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I just I'm telling our listeners that because 302 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 1: it sounds so crazy, but it was these were crazy times. 303 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: So they protest um in support of manage, and they 304 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: get a lot of um attention for that. They're more 305 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: front of mind to the average audience member, especially if 306 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:50,199 Speaker 1: you're here in Atlanta. And so their plan expands and 307 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 1: they say, hey, we're still going to stage protest right 308 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: and speak truth to power, but we're also going to 309 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: make a place of our own. But did you know it, 310 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 1: iss um and and uh, what are your thoughts around 311 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: you know, the black community being in general somewhat more 312 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 1: hesitant around these kind of government fast government rollouts of vaccines. 313 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: It just seems like, you know, with the history of 314 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: mistreatment of that community and you know, things like experimentation 315 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: and all of that over the years, that makes sense 316 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 1: that there might have been, you know, some trepidation within 317 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: that community and hesitancy to just accept that this thing 318 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: is okay. Well, I mean, yeah, we talked about it 319 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 1: in uh what a Plug what we Create set Up. 320 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: We talked about it in our book. The idea, like 321 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: the these ideas don't come from nothing. You know, people 322 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: remember the horrors of Tuskegee and mistreatment of people of 323 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: color in the medical community is far reaching and well 324 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: known and there are. You know, it's weird because we'll 325 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: get into the leader of this movement in a moment, 326 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: will introduce him. But it was surprising to some observers that, uh, 327 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: this this founder of the Black Hammer Party announced that 328 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: they were in league with the Proud Boys, who are 329 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: more of a further right organization. So the ideology gets money. 330 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: Maybe you could call it a case of strange bedfellows. 331 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: But yes, there was a lot of hesitancy and there 332 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: remains a lot of hesitancy around the vaccine or taking 333 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: a vaccine, and it is because of mistrust of government entities, 334 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: and it's also because of um it's also because to 335 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: an outside observer, you're saying, hey, there's so many other 336 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: diseases that have been around for so long and there 337 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: is no vaccine for them. Right, how did this suddenly 338 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: get fixed? Uh? That those are that I think the 339 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 1: two pillars of vaccine hesitancy on Black Hammer was, you know, 340 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: anti COVID vaccine. There were a lot of protest groups 341 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: that were uh and they didn't agree on literally anything 342 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: else except for that, uh and maybe and maybe the 343 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: importance of firearms. But Black Hammer decides they're gonna go 344 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: to the Rocky Mountains. They're gonna outside Denver. They're gonna 345 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: build their own utopia, a compound with some specific ideological guidelines. 346 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: They're gonna call it hammer City, by the way, which 347 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: I think is a really cool name. Also sounds like 348 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:40,719 Speaker 1: a Mario level way. Hammer City and the Rocky Mountains. 349 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: Let's go, I meant, is it near rock City? All right? Well, 350 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: let's talk about how Black Hammer describes what hammer City 351 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: would be on their own website. Here here, just a 352 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: couple of things. Uh, the purpose of hammer City is 353 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: to build this city and other cities for all people 354 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: of color to be free. Sounds good. They want to 355 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: return the land to indigenous people, sounds good. Those who 356 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: moved to and live in hammer City would be offered jobs, housing, food, 357 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: and healthcare. And Black Hammer also states that in hammer 358 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: City there will be no discrimination of nationality, gender, age, 359 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: or mental and physical differences astric there will be no cops, 360 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: no rent, no coronavirus, and no white people. And that's 361 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: the asterix. That's they said, uh, uh, none of that, 362 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 1: but that's that's what a separatist movement that you know, 363 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: that's one of the tenants of the separatist movement and 364 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 1: there are you know, there's another group that I think 365 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: can fairly be called occults, which might have to get 366 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: into in another iteration, called the creativity movement. Is it 367 00:23:54,320 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: like lego sounds like about it's so confusing it It 368 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: is an atheistic religious, wide supremacist movement started in the seventies, 369 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: and it's not super creative either. But their idea is 370 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:17,439 Speaker 1: that they will um, they will unite all the people 371 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: they consider white through this atheistic religion. So we're throwing 372 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: out the example of the Creativity Movement to show that 373 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: there are other there are other movements with those kind 374 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: of goals of separation, right according to what they see 375 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: as their definition of race. And in the US at least, 376 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: it is completely legal to find like minded colleagues, buy 377 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: some land and live on it. Right, It's completely legal 378 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: to do that, and there's nothing wrong with it. So 379 00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: there's you may not agree with their das right as 380 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 1: espoused in Hammer City, but you don't have to visit 381 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: and if they're not hurting you, AND's okay. Now, would 382 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: they get sticky with local law enforcement? Sure, right, because 383 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: local law enforcement would come on the scene if there 384 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 1: was a crime or something like that. Uh, like the 385 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: branch Davidians. They look how bad? You know? All right, 386 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 1: would it be sticky if some group of white people 387 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 1: does try to come in, Uh, you would probably use 388 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 1: a private property defense at that point, right, unless you 389 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: incorporated as a municipality. So you can see that there. 390 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of a we're thinking big, we're 391 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 1: being ambitious. We will figure out the details along the 392 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: way because this is important to us. And one of 393 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 1: the thought leaders of this group as a guy who 394 00:25:54,200 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: was born Augustus c Romaine Jr. Also known as Ghazi Codeso. Uh. 395 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: This person is a controversial figure. Two former members of 396 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: the Black Hammers. Uh. You will see them saying that 397 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 1: under his leadership, the group transformed and became kind of uh. Well, 398 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 1: the phrase I are used most often was abusive, like 399 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 1: a hotbed of abuse and toxicity. Toxicity is kind of 400 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: a loosely defined term in today's parlance, but you know, 401 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: stuff like holding people against their will, forcing people to 402 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: do stuff they didn't want to do. Yeah, and this 403 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: soon boiled over as the group encountered external criticism from 404 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: other groups that you might, you know, on upon first glance, say, 405 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: would seemingly be aligned to some degree For example, Kevin 406 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: Rashid Johnson of the New African Black Panther Party UM. 407 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 1: Johnson reportedly accused the Black Hammer of being a conspiracy UH, 408 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 1: a secret right wing conspiracy, an operation meant to sow 409 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 1: division amongst leftist movements. UM also the Whole Hammers. Anything 410 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: didn't quite pan out. They did some fundraising, the group 411 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 1: missed a deadline, which is usually a red flag, of 412 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 1: May fourteen to sign the paperwork for the land. On 413 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: May seventeenth, the San Miguel County police escorted the remaining 414 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: members from off the property. They were not there legally 415 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: because they had not done the deal. Yeah, and then 416 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 1: things started heating up in Fayetteville, Georgia. This occurs in 417 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: July of this year. July, law enforcement in Fayetteville get 418 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: an anonymous phone call from this guy who says, I 419 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: have been kidnapped. I'm being held against my will in 420 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: the garage of this house. So the cops send a 421 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: SWAT team to search the home. This leads to a standoff. 422 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: Swat arrives, they surround the structure and they're asking questions 423 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: be allowed. Speaker UM and the people who are inside 424 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 1: are talking with law enforcement. They're about ten people inside. 425 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: Law enforcement is telling them all to exit. It takes 426 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: some hours of talking, but eventually nine people leave willingly, 427 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: and Swat dispatches their robot, you know when they're creepy, 428 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 1: creepy law enforcement robots to search the house, and this 429 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: is where they find the tenth person, who is unfortunately dead, 430 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: and they would deploy a device like this because of 431 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: fears of their being explosives or booby traps. Correct correct, Yeah, 432 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: And when they found that tenth person, they appear the 433 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: deceased person appeared to have died from a self inflicted 434 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: gunshot wound, and that's what's been report ordered by police. Um. 435 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: There you will find people writing on the internet, some 436 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: former members, some others who were just commenting on it 437 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: that perhaps that was not the case, that it was 438 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: not a self inflicted gunshot wound. But those are allegations well, 439 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: and it fits the narrative you know of of at 440 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: least they're perceived narrative that we are anti police brutality, 441 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: that we are here to protest the corruption and law enforcement. 442 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: So for this to be like a martyrdom kind of 443 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: event makes sense to fit their larger story. Um, but 444 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: it doesn't seem to check out. Well, there are two 445 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: versions of it. There are two versions of it. One 446 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: that I've read online was that someone within the home 447 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: shot and killed that tenth person who was there. And 448 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: the other version is that police officers swat team entered 449 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: and killed that person. That's and that story is coming 450 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: from Blackhammer and its members. That's what I mean. That's 451 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: the It makes sense that would suit their their narrative, 452 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: you know, for the mission statement of their group, um, 453 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: and that it would potentially help rally support around them, 454 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: um when they're kind of starting to get a bit 455 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: of a bad look. Yeah, these incidents lead to Ghazi 456 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,239 Speaker 1: being arrested on a number of charges, and one of 457 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: his one of his associates, a guy named Xavier H. Russian, 458 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: is also arrested. That's r U S h I N. 459 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,719 Speaker 1: You'll see why we want to clarify in justice. Second, folks, uh, 460 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: how it's important to note that neither of these individuals 461 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: have been convicted of a crime at this point, so 462 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: we want to make sure that we're clear about that 463 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: these are charges not convictions. One last note. Something tells 464 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: we may return to the story of the Black Hammers 465 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: in the future. But one last note the story is 466 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: still developing. This caught my interest. The FEDS maybe investigating 467 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: Black Hammer, and they have been investigating Black Hammer, but 468 00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: the reasons for doing so might surprise you. In July 469 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: of this year, July twenty nine, a few days after 470 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: after that standoff, we mentioned the U s. D o J, 471 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: the Department of Justice released information about alleged Russian influence 472 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: on US political organizations. And depending on who you ask, 473 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: you will find some people convinced that these allegations indicate 474 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: the Black Hammer Party was receiving funding from Russian individual 475 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: with connections to the Russian government. So straight out of 476 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: the Dugan cookbook Foundations of Geopolitics. Well, also on on 477 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: on just a cursory glance of the Black Hammer website. Uh, 478 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: it is a hotbed of right wing political hate speech. 479 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: I just want to also pretty archive semitic. Yeah, yeah, 480 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: there's an article, as the headline is. And this is 481 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: not like reposted from some other site. This is written 482 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: by someone who contributes to the site, presumably someone who's 483 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: a member of the organization, an individual signing on as 484 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: o JO. Marjorie Taylor Green is right and here's why. Um, 485 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: you know, whatever your political leanings are. I think most 486 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: of us that are somewhat moderate, uh can agree that 487 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green is a very toxic and nasty individual 488 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: in terms of the you know, the things that she 489 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: puts out there, the unfounded conspiracy theory that she helps, 490 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: you know, proliferate, and you know, it's just using these 491 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: buzz terms like it says earlier this month, while former 492 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: President Trump was in New York City, he had his 493 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: resort home at mar Logo rated by Sleepy Joe's fbi um. 494 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: They go on to say, your decrepit Bernie Sanders. They 495 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: go on to call Joe Biden peto Joe at some point. 496 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: I mean, just a lot of it's a lot of 497 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: this very charged right wing kind of four Channy type 498 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: language on here. So that part, yeah, And also that's 499 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: another point we talk about in the earlier video. And folks, 500 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: this is a smart way to tell when an organization 501 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: might be becoming a little cult tick. The use of 502 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: specific nomenclature, right, the use of initialisms, the use of acronyms, 503 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: the use of jargon that further brings you into the 504 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: cognitive space and then further separates the them from the US. 505 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: The ends from the outs, the nose from the no 506 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: knots Uh. It's it's insidious. I always think about titles 507 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: titles in an organization in that context, ben like as 508 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: you're moving up the ranks or something, you attain these 509 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: new titles. And if you don't know what that is, 510 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: there's a lot of explaining to do. Sure, I'm always 511 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: about it. Uh. This last thing that the takeaway from 512 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: this article or this blog post, I guess, Uh, the 513 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: FBI has come for Trump. Who's next? Uh? Is again 514 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: that that up that other ing. That that's sewing distrust, 515 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: you know, for the government and the idea that you know, 516 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: and again the government deserves plenty of disc but this 517 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: is very specific. Um. And then there's a picture of 518 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: the FBI raid and the head that the subhead is 519 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: or the little subtitle is the FBI rating the Mara 520 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,839 Speaker 1: Lago resort home of Trump in the darkness, like the 521 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:17,760 Speaker 1: greasy cowards. They are not exactly unbiased reporting. Yeah, that's true. 522 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: And you can check that website out. Uh. We it's 523 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: an unfolding saga. As we said, there's more to the story. 524 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: We may return in the future, but that's some pretty 525 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: deep water already. This organization is not unique. Uh, and 526 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,720 Speaker 1: there are there's not really a shortage of former members 527 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,439 Speaker 1: who will tell you that there are dangerous things going 528 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: on internally. Just before we move away from the Black 529 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 1: Hammer Party, it should be noted that I believe it 530 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: was Augustus, correct me if I'm wrong, there Ben who 531 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: was charged with sexual assault of some variety. And there 532 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: are other allegations of such things going on at the 533 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: at the house, in other locations inside the Black Hammer Party. Yeah, 534 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:07,720 Speaker 1: and with some of the charges were related to sexual assault. Again, 535 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 1: this is deep water. We're gonna pause for what. We're 536 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: gonna pause on the Black Hammer Party from now and 537 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 1: follow up in the future. Let's try something different, right, 538 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,800 Speaker 1: We're talking about painful, disturbing stuff, so what don't we 539 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,399 Speaker 1: talk about something happy but keep it scientific. That's where 540 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,800 Speaker 1: happy science comes here. I love that is that, like 541 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: the creativity movement, it's way less well damn kind of 542 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: get to make floam, to get to make go black 543 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: and bounce around upon it in your swimming pool. We're 544 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 1: gonna answer those questions and more right after this break. 545 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: Get happy, Get science. We've returned. Okay that that last 546 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: tagline wasn't my best. But as you can tell, I 547 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: am enamored of the name Happy Science. If you haven't 548 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: heard of Happy Science, perhaps you are more familiar with 549 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 1: its original name, The Institute for Research and Human Happiness. 550 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: Sounds like a dream job. Actually, that sounds really cool. 551 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: Our our story starts with the founder of the i 552 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: R h H or the founder of Happy Science, a 553 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,720 Speaker 1: guy who is known as Rio Hoo Okawa born Takahashi 554 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 1: Nakagawa in and this guy has this really cool moment 555 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: in his origin story. He is a prestige. He's got 556 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:40,359 Speaker 1: a job, a Wall Street job. He's a trader at 557 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 1: this pretty prestigious firm and he even works in their 558 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: Manhattan office for a year or so. And one day 559 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: in the course of his career, on July, Mr Okawa 560 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 1: has had enough. He quits. He quits a job that 561 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people would literally kill to have. Uh 562 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 1: So he quits. He walks away from those earthly concerns 563 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,280 Speaker 1: because he needs to focus on this organization, this Happy Science. 564 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 1: He needs to quote, bring happiness to humanity by spreading 565 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,800 Speaker 1: truth that sounds good. Tell the truth, make people happy. 566 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 1: Those are two very positive things. It's it's similar similar 567 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 1: to David Ike in a couple of ways. In the 568 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 1: story he told us about you know, he had his 569 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:26,879 Speaker 1: own thing. He was doing this thing and he got 570 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,399 Speaker 1: inspired one one moment and then he had to tell 571 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: the world. Yeah, no, you're right. I mean, it does 572 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,399 Speaker 1: sound innocuous the way we're describing it. But in this 573 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: guy's case, this has been uh building for a while 574 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,800 Speaker 1: in the background, because he had kind of a second 575 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: gig that was unrelated to his professional career. He was writing. 576 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 1: He published several spiritual books wherein he claimed to I 577 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 1: think the phrase would translate to channel messages or communications 578 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: from historical and religious figures who have passed away, folks 579 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 1: like Confucius or of course Jesus Christ, who is a 580 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:12,320 Speaker 1: person that many new spiritual leaders apparently have in depth 581 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 1: conversations with. And you can see videos of him channeling 582 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 1: political and religious figures, and I just have to say 583 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,760 Speaker 1: it's quite fun. I quite enjoyed watching some of those videos. 584 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,760 Speaker 1: I kind of like the vibe. I'm gonna be honest 585 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:35,320 Speaker 1: with you. Your mileage may vary, but I I enjoyed 586 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 1: watching it, and I think I think the guy the 587 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,720 Speaker 1: vice journalists, we're gonna introduce. I think he enjoyed it too. 588 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:47,239 Speaker 1: So okay okahwa spoiler alert figures out why he, of 589 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:52,799 Speaker 1: all people is receiving these messages, these divine communications. It 590 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: all goes down to El Cantareu, which is the real 591 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 1: name of God, the highest God of Earth, the Lord 592 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 1: of all gods. Uh. Followers of adherents of that happy 593 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:09,840 Speaker 1: science believe that this entity was born on Earth threety 594 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 1: million years ago, and it's the same entity that gets 595 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:18,720 Speaker 1: worshiped at different times through different cultures and civilizations. And 596 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 1: they're all naming the same thing. Whether they're talking Tough 597 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:27,240 Speaker 1: or Osiris or Odin or Hermes, they're all talking about 598 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 1: El Contarre and Okawa, it turns out, is receiving these 599 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:39,880 Speaker 1: messages because he is this era's current incarnation of the 600 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 1: action of real God. Yeah. Fun fact about the singer 601 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:50,320 Speaker 1: or elkantari Uh. He was once the ruler of Venus, 602 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,719 Speaker 1: former ruler of Venus. M m M yeah. Tweird that 603 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 1: they emphasized former. I wonder if the word can't say 604 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: it's singer, maybe it's tight like there's the the word 605 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,839 Speaker 1: cantor you know, it's like a sacred singer and um 606 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 1: and Judaism, or like who sings for religious ceremonies during 607 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 1: like high holy days and things like that. Yeah, the 608 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 1: I mean the idea of the idea of the creator 609 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:21,479 Speaker 1: of everything being a singer or that being a human 610 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 1: way to understand it. It's it's quite beautiful, you know, 611 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 1: it's it's poetic. Um, you've got gotta check out. We're 612 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,799 Speaker 1: not proselytizing, to be clear. It's just if you are 613 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: interested in these kind of things, you can find you 614 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,840 Speaker 1: can find videos and lectures online and you can also 615 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 1: get some books. He is quite a prolific author. Be 616 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: do be aware that many of those books are transcripts 617 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 1: of lectures that he's made. Look okay, so they are 618 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 1: all these This has happened so often that they're even 619 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 1: jokes and bits of folklore about it, you know, like 620 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,239 Speaker 1: the like the three guys and the Insane Asylum who 621 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,799 Speaker 1: are each convinced their Jesus Christ and you put him 622 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:10,319 Speaker 1: in a room and you see if they eventually get along. Right, 623 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,759 Speaker 1: That's the thing. Uh, It's not unusual to be loved 624 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:19,400 Speaker 1: by anyone. I'm kidding. It's not unusual to see people 625 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 1: who believe that they everybody wants to be special, right, 626 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 1: everybody wants to be extraordinary, So it is not uncommon 627 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:31,960 Speaker 1: for people to believe that they have been um singled 628 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 1: out for some divine purpose. And honestly, again, that's a 629 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 1: personal belief. There's nothing wrong with it. You might find 630 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,399 Speaker 1: that other people don't agree that you are the main 631 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 1: character of the universe because that might diminish their experience. 632 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:52,279 Speaker 1: That's fine. You can be a one person belief system. 633 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 1: Millions of people over the years have claimed to commune 634 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,319 Speaker 1: with spiritual leaders from beyond the grave. And if you 635 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 1: look at Happy Sciences basic spiritual belief system and structure, 636 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,880 Speaker 1: there's nothing immediately dangerous. It's like, try to love in 637 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:13,279 Speaker 1: a giving way, try to be honest, work actively to 638 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 1: make the world more peaceful and more joyful. All the hits, 639 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 1: you know, the good stuff. Uh. Until that is you 640 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,320 Speaker 1: get into their political arm, their political wing or branch, 641 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,400 Speaker 1: because unlike a lot of other spiritual movements, uh, they 642 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,120 Speaker 1: are heavy in politics. They do not care about separation 643 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,120 Speaker 1: of church and state, and the political wing of of 644 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:42,160 Speaker 1: the Happy Science organization is known as the Happiness Realization Party. Um. 645 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,000 Speaker 1: You don't really throw that word around unless you're talking 646 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 1: about something politically motivated and organized, unless like Mario Party 647 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,879 Speaker 1: or you know, Pizza Party, which are one quickly great things. Uh. 648 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,799 Speaker 1: This is incredibly right wing in its ideology, um, and 649 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,719 Speaker 1: much less warm and fuzzy uh than the spiritual teachings 650 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,880 Speaker 1: might make you think it would be. Um. This organization 651 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:10,080 Speaker 1: supports the expansion of the Japanese military, erasure of proven 652 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 1: World War two war crimes like the Nanjing massacre, and 653 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,800 Speaker 1: is really hot to try when it comes to getting 654 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:23,760 Speaker 1: the nukes amassing nuclear weapons. Oh. It hates hates uh 655 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,520 Speaker 1: China like the whole, the whole thing of China. It's 656 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 1: not one of those things where you say, I know 657 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,360 Speaker 1: people don't control the government. I may disagree with the 658 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,000 Speaker 1: government of a country, but I recognize the people are 659 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,880 Speaker 1: human and decent and have the same wants and desires 660 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 1: and fears. No, it's it's very um beat me just 661 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,040 Speaker 1: because I love this. Beep me Max. It's very Uh. 662 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,879 Speaker 1: They're very tupac in this. They're saying China and if 663 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,600 Speaker 1: you roll with them, Q two. That's basically and I'm 664 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,359 Speaker 1: not being too hyperbolic with the language either. No, there's 665 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,920 Speaker 1: some rough things you can find online. Statements and again 666 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,680 Speaker 1: there's so many videos. You can find it if you 667 00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,040 Speaker 1: look for it. He doesn't he have the the the 668 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,399 Speaker 1: Leader Rio hoo. He has, or at least for a time, 669 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,759 Speaker 1: had the Guinness Book of World Records. I think he 670 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,880 Speaker 1: had a record for the most books published in one 671 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,239 Speaker 1: year and the number was fifty four. Wow. That's great. 672 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,040 Speaker 1: I didn't know that. That's cool. That's a cool fact 673 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,919 Speaker 1: to walk away with. Uh. Okay, yeah, but like you said, 674 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,319 Speaker 1: it's transcriptions of like just talking and then it's put 675 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,080 Speaker 1: into a book. And he's freestyling a lot in those videos, 676 00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,920 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like one thought leads 677 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,360 Speaker 1: to the next. I don't think he has his script often. 678 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:44,799 Speaker 1: But as of spring of uh and this number may 679 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 1: have changed a little bit, there are at least twenty 680 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:53,120 Speaker 1: one local political officials in Japan who are members of 681 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:58,719 Speaker 1: the HRP, the Happiness Realization Party that we'll just described there. 682 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,239 Speaker 1: And this article that made me laugh is from a 683 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:08,839 Speaker 1: journalist named Scilla sat Gully over advice. Silla goes and 684 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:14,480 Speaker 1: visits uh Parisian branch of Happy Science and he says, Okay, 685 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,319 Speaker 1: give me the scoop. Tell me you know, I am 686 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,759 Speaker 1: all eyes and ears, I want to hear, I want 687 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,200 Speaker 1: to see, and you can tell that this is going 688 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,640 Speaker 1: to be a little bit of a snarky article. Uh 689 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:30,200 Speaker 1: an article uh through the title happy science is the 690 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,759 Speaker 1: Laziest cult Ever. Again, we didn't write that, no need 691 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,680 Speaker 1: to get the lawyers involved, No, no, no. So he 692 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:44,440 Speaker 1: goes and checks out this local branch right and the lectures, 693 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,399 Speaker 1: and unexpectedly, I would I would think and say that 694 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:54,120 Speaker 1: the lectures are about extraterrestrials in part they're also about 695 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:58,920 Speaker 1: this very specific viewpoint of reality and the afterlife and 696 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,040 Speaker 1: the connection between ween you know, Earth and this other 697 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:06,000 Speaker 1: realm that exists in nine dimensions. And you can even 698 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,360 Speaker 1: I I can't remember if if this author in particular 699 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:14,280 Speaker 1: found of the actual sketch like the diagram of Heaven 700 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,120 Speaker 1: when it's laid out in these tiered dimensions. Yes, I 701 00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:19,960 Speaker 1: think there are some profits who only get to hang 702 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:21,960 Speaker 1: out in the eighth level. But then the ninth is 703 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,480 Speaker 1: like the V I P area. It's really really interesting stuff. 704 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,560 Speaker 1: And again there's nothing wrong with that. That's a belief 705 00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,000 Speaker 1: that Mr Okawen his followers subscribe to. There's nothing wrong 706 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:38,040 Speaker 1: with having your own personal beliefs, but just like us. St. 707 00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,520 Speaker 1: Gully notices a little bit of a discrepancy between this 708 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:46,200 Speaker 1: very huggy, lovey, inclusive language on the spiritual side of 709 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:51,719 Speaker 1: happy science and then the somewhat more militant geopolitical philosophy. 710 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,359 Speaker 1: I've had a hard time not laughing as we get 711 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,680 Speaker 1: closer to this because I love this excerpt. I love 712 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:04,000 Speaker 1: this quote. I feel like some someone else do the honors. Sure. Um. 713 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,480 Speaker 1: After the break, we were subjected to another tape, Rebirth 714 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,759 Speaker 1: of Your Hopes, a completely overt attack on China and 715 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,520 Speaker 1: North Korea, where Okawa characterized the two countries as quote 716 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:21,720 Speaker 1: responsible for the decay of Asia. Responsible for the decay 717 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,440 Speaker 1: of Asia. Okay Um. There was a part where he 718 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:29,919 Speaker 1: started screaming about the Chinese being quote dumb, lazy, and 719 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:35,359 Speaker 1: full of okay, no hyperbole there, uh, And another part 720 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,880 Speaker 1: where he claimed that the Japanese government was going to 721 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:42,400 Speaker 1: raise taxes because of Oh good Lord, I don't know. 722 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,080 Speaker 1: I just want to say, this is a quote. This 723 00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,240 Speaker 1: man said this. This was reported by by St Cali 724 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,520 Speaker 1: was going to raise taxes because of the quote Chinese 725 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:57,279 Speaker 1: ng of their minds. Yeah, I don't know why that? Uh, 726 00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:03,440 Speaker 1: that insult? Is that just string of insults, calling someone dumb, lazy, 727 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,480 Speaker 1: and YadA YadA. I don't know why that that tickles 728 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,960 Speaker 1: me so, but he is very serious. Uh. You know, 729 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,759 Speaker 1: I want to ask you guys about Chinese ing of 730 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,440 Speaker 1: the mind. Is that meant to? Is that like a 731 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,960 Speaker 1: statement about communism? Maybe it does seem to be referring 732 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:25,840 Speaker 1: to some sort of indoctrination. Uh, communism being the closest, 733 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,759 Speaker 1: lowest hanging fruit, I would argue, which is wild because 734 00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:35,200 Speaker 1: in China's hyper capitalist authoritarian isn't you're right there? Who 735 00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,040 Speaker 1: knows man that? I mean? We talked about him channeling 736 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:42,440 Speaker 1: stuff right in the in there's a similar Vice video 737 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,400 Speaker 1: where you can watch you can watch the founder in 738 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,640 Speaker 1: a like press conference like setting with some supposed reporters 739 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,600 Speaker 1: asking him questions while he's channeling the ghost of Margaret Thatcher, 740 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,279 Speaker 1: the spirit of Margaret Margaret Thatcher, and it is one 741 00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,799 Speaker 1: of the most surreal things you can see. Uh. He 742 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,640 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of it's more like an affect, like 743 00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,120 Speaker 1: a I'm I'm so possessed right now, That's what I 744 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:11,799 Speaker 1: That's what it reads to me. If if he was 745 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,960 Speaker 1: if he was an actor and playing a part, that's 746 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:20,120 Speaker 1: a little. It's a little much, but sorry, I don't 747 00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,440 Speaker 1: want to make fun of him. It's just it. The 748 00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,960 Speaker 1: guide does some in some very strange stuff on camera 749 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,799 Speaker 1: and then purposefully puts it out as uh messaging for 750 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,719 Speaker 1: his organization. The New York Times has written about him 751 00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,640 Speaker 1: as well, fairly recently. Just a few years ago in 752 00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:45,440 Speaker 1: journalists Sam Kestenbaum went into detail about how Happy Science 753 00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:49,759 Speaker 1: was approaching COVID nineteen. Again, you see a lot of 754 00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,640 Speaker 1: these organizations spending a lot of time on their own 755 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:57,959 Speaker 1: interpretations of the pandemic because it was a global event, right. 756 00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:03,200 Speaker 1: So kest and Bomb says that the group was claiming 757 00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:10,839 Speaker 1: they could cure infections of COVID nineteen through spiritual vaccines, 758 00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:15,200 Speaker 1: the remote application of spiritual vaccines. So you pay insert 759 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,120 Speaker 1: fee here, and then you have a prayer directed at you, 760 00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:26,279 Speaker 1: the ideas that that prayer will spiritually protect you from 761 00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:31,480 Speaker 1: from contracting this physical ailment. So it's like a laying 762 00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,800 Speaker 1: on of hands, almost like big tent revival kind of mentality. 763 00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,400 Speaker 1: The idea that I could like inoculate you with a 764 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,640 Speaker 1: blessing you know, or or restore your ability to hear 765 00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,680 Speaker 1: or walk or whatever by you know, touching you or 766 00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:50,440 Speaker 1: or doing some sort of sending five base thank you. 767 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,360 Speaker 1: That's a much better way of putting a vibe base. Yeah, 768 00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,839 Speaker 1: and this, you know, I think it's a worthy comparison 769 00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:01,760 Speaker 1: because lest anybody in the st be too quick to judge, 770 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:06,760 Speaker 1: do remember that tent revivals and televangelists of plenty have 771 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:12,640 Speaker 1: have applied similar techniques or similar claims at least uh 772 00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,439 Speaker 1: test and Bomb seems pretty skeptical just to be fair, 773 00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,160 Speaker 1: and says that Happy Science is an enormous and powerful 774 00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,560 Speaker 1: enterprise claiming millions of adherents, tens of thousands of missionary 775 00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,800 Speaker 1: outposts across the world. It's secretive, it's hostile to the media, 776 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,240 Speaker 1: and it's structured around a tiered, paid a progress system 777 00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:38,600 Speaker 1: of membership. They're sometimes called Tokyo's answer to Scientology, which 778 00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,600 Speaker 1: is in comparison I haven't. I haven't thought of, but 779 00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:46,760 Speaker 1: I imagine critics would. I would agree with that, right. Um, Still, 780 00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,600 Speaker 1: it's it's definitely it checks all the boxes for a 781 00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,840 Speaker 1: cultic organization. Yes, it does. Were you guys aware that 782 00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:58,040 Speaker 1: there's a Happy Science branch in our fair city of Atlanta? No, 783 00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,800 Speaker 1: but I'm not surprised there is it has four reviews 784 00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,080 Speaker 1: on Google and it is temporarily closed, but there is 785 00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:08,439 Speaker 1: a phone number associated with it, and you better believe 786 00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,000 Speaker 1: I'm about to call it later. Let's just see what 787 00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,040 Speaker 1: are their hours. Let's just roll up. It's temporarily closed, 788 00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,440 Speaker 1: it says, yeah, all right, we'll find him. But it's 789 00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:22,160 Speaker 1: on Piedmont. It's nice part of town. Actually. Uh so 790 00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,640 Speaker 1: they're doing well really quickly. There's a there's a book 791 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:30,080 Speaker 1: by Nietzsche, uh called The Gay Science, um, and it's 792 00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:35,480 Speaker 1: translated to the the Joyful Science, the joyous science, or 793 00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:39,560 Speaker 1: the joyful Wisdom. Do you see any connection between the 794 00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:43,319 Speaker 1: the the the work of Friedrich Nizicchi and uh and 795 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,080 Speaker 1: this or is it just kind of a parallel thinking coincidence. 796 00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,360 Speaker 1: It may be parallel because it's a very powerful phrase. 797 00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,960 Speaker 1: I think, you know, joyful science, happy science. Uh. But 798 00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:03,080 Speaker 1: I I'm sure that sir Okawa has discussed Nietzsche or 799 00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,000 Speaker 1: Nietzsche in thought at some point, just because he is 800 00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,960 Speaker 1: so prolific. He's like, he reminds me of that guy 801 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:14,320 Speaker 1: we talked about earlier, ad non Altar with a Turkish 802 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:18,919 Speaker 1: sex cult and and attempted coup of Turkey. That guy 803 00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:23,279 Speaker 1: was also very prolific, So I feel like at some 804 00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,880 Speaker 1: point it wouldn't be surprising. Rather if at some point 805 00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:31,360 Speaker 1: in Mr Okawa's writing or lectures we can find comments 806 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,600 Speaker 1: about Nietzsche and what was that the basis for his 807 00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:38,440 Speaker 1: decision to name his movement this that I do not know, 808 00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,600 Speaker 1: but it would be really interesting to find that out. 809 00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,759 Speaker 1: And by the way, one note with Mr Okawa. Yes, 810 00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:50,919 Speaker 1: always people with UM unorthodox or newer spiritual beliefs are 811 00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,239 Speaker 1: gonna be vilified by the status quo in the mainstream. 812 00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,400 Speaker 1: So he's got a lot of outside critics, but it 813 00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,640 Speaker 1: might surprise you to know that one of his number 814 00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,279 Speaker 1: one critics is another their Japanese cult. It's the one 815 00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,759 Speaker 1: most Westerners think about when they think about Japanese cults, 816 00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,400 Speaker 1: om Shinriko, which we covered in a previous episode. Uh, 817 00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,719 Speaker 1: they had a very intense rivalry. I guess they're competing 818 00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,520 Speaker 1: for followers maybe, or maybe it's just the thing where 819 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:21,839 Speaker 1: someone saying, no, I'm the main character, You're incorrect, I'm 820 00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,719 Speaker 1: the real Jesus or what have you. Anyway, before they 821 00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:30,520 Speaker 1: made that horrific attack on the Tokyo subway, UM also 822 00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:36,400 Speaker 1: tried unsuccessfully to assassinate Mr Okawa uh Like, like you 823 00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,279 Speaker 1: were saying that Happy Sciences around today. You can go 824 00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:43,919 Speaker 1: visit their website for firsthand information. And while you may 825 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,000 Speaker 1: not have heard of this group, make a mistake, they're 826 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:51,719 Speaker 1: making some big waves around the world. This is gonna 827 00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,160 Speaker 1: end up being a two parter for us. Oh yeah, 828 00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:55,920 Speaker 1: where it is gonna be two part We're gonna have 829 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,919 Speaker 1: to end very shortly here. I just want to point 830 00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:02,000 Speaker 1: out another commonality that I'm seeing with this group in particular, 831 00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:03,600 Speaker 1: and some of the ones we're gonna talk about the 832 00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:08,680 Speaker 1: next episode, the deification of that leader. Like if you 833 00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:13,319 Speaker 1: go to Happy Happy Sciences website, there are numerous videos 834 00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:18,759 Speaker 1: and full books written about Okawa's uh like birth to 835 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,680 Speaker 1: the story of how he was so intelligent, he had 836 00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:25,520 Speaker 1: an i Q of two hundred, he was twelve years old, 837 00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,440 Speaker 1: but he you know, it's like he was twenty, and 838 00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,920 Speaker 1: how he went to this prestigious university and then went 839 00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,040 Speaker 1: to this other one, and it's just really you can 840 00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,800 Speaker 1: watch these videos with this very emotional, moving, triumphant music 841 00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,760 Speaker 1: over top of it, you know, and just talking about 842 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,879 Speaker 1: this this person. I think that's a commonality we see 843 00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:49,000 Speaker 1: in a lot of cultic groups that put their leader 844 00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,719 Speaker 1: in that space, right, who is now Jesus or God 845 00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,200 Speaker 1: or the next coming or whatever. Yeah, and I I 846 00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,759 Speaker 1: personally don't like deifying anybody, so I don't know if 847 00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:02,120 Speaker 1: I'm in the demographic, but but yeah, you're right again. 848 00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:06,560 Speaker 1: It is the tactics that define what we would consider cultic, 849 00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,360 Speaker 1: not the content of what they're saying. And we have 850 00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,240 Speaker 1: there's so much more that we want to dive into. 851 00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:17,560 Speaker 1: Join us for part two, our episode on up and 852 00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:21,359 Speaker 1: coming cults culture may have never heard of yet. We're 853 00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:26,280 Speaker 1: going to go into some more strange territory. But whenever 854 00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:32,680 Speaker 1: we talk about stuff like this, we feel morally bound 855 00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,080 Speaker 1: to end our episode with a little bit of a 856 00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,239 Speaker 1: p s A. This is just scratching the surface, is 857 00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:43,400 Speaker 1: one thing. For sure. There are many, many, many organizations 858 00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,640 Speaker 1: that might not call themselves cults, but sure do a 859 00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,960 Speaker 1: lot of things that occult would do. And if you 860 00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,239 Speaker 1: or anyone you know has been taken in by an 861 00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:57,960 Speaker 1: organization that is emotionally or physically unsafe, please do not 862 00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:03,439 Speaker 1: hesitate to reach out to any multiple resources online, over 863 00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,440 Speaker 1: the phone. There are forms of plenty. They can provide 864 00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:11,600 Speaker 1: free counseling and assistance. Um, it's worth it, and that's 865 00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,360 Speaker 1: we're into today. What do you think do you have 866 00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,760 Speaker 1: any experience with a cultic organization. I'm sure some of 867 00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:20,760 Speaker 1: our fellow listeners do. People often told me that they 868 00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,160 Speaker 1: didn't understand what they were in until they left and 869 00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,080 Speaker 1: they looked back and they had that lightbulb moment and 870 00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,760 Speaker 1: they said, that was a cult. I thought I was 871 00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:34,000 Speaker 1: just selling popcorn on commission, but I was in a cult, 872 00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,800 Speaker 1: no wonder. There was a giant golden idol of this 873 00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:43,000 Speaker 1: El Kantari guy behind him at all times. So yeah, 874 00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,120 Speaker 1: I mean, we're putting levity on it. But yeah, these 875 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,840 Speaker 1: things can be serious. So we would love to hear 876 00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:51,400 Speaker 1: your stories. We can't wait to read them, to listen 877 00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,200 Speaker 1: to them, to experience them. Please do not try to 878 00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:58,040 Speaker 1: convert us if you are a cult leader. Otherwise, we're 879 00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,360 Speaker 1: easy to find online. That's right. You can find us 880 00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:04,000 Speaker 1: on Twitter, on YouTube, and on Facebook, where we have 881 00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,760 Speaker 1: a Facebook group. Here's where it gets crazy, joined that thing. 882 00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,560 Speaker 1: We exist on these platforms under the handle conspiracy Stuff. 883 00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,520 Speaker 1: On Instagram you'll find this a conspiracy Stuff show. Check 884 00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:18,400 Speaker 1: out link to dot e slash std w y t 885 00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,560 Speaker 1: K if you want to look at that's our link tree. 886 00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,200 Speaker 1: I'm being silly. Um. If you want to find how 887 00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,160 Speaker 1: to pre order our book, or come and check us 888 00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:30,480 Speaker 1: out on the book tour coming to you in October. Hey, 889 00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,040 Speaker 1: we also have a phone number right. Oh, snap, you're right, 890 00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,680 Speaker 1: these allegations are indeed true. Just give us a ring 891 00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,600 Speaker 1: a ding ding banana phone. Where we are one eight 892 00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:44,960 Speaker 1: three three st d w y t K. You'll you'll 893 00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,240 Speaker 1: hear a brief message, tell you you're in the right place. 894 00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,000 Speaker 1: You'll hear a beep like so beep, and then you 895 00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,880 Speaker 1: will have three minutes. Those three minutes they belong to you. 896 00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,480 Speaker 1: Go nuts, get wild with it, go harden the paint. 897 00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,840 Speaker 1: And while you're doing that, please let us know what 898 00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:00,840 Speaker 1: you would like to be called old We love a 899 00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,960 Speaker 1: good nickname or moniker. Uh, tell us what's on your mind. 900 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,640 Speaker 1: Second most important thing, let us know if we can 901 00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,200 Speaker 1: use your name and or voice on the air. Most 902 00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:12,600 Speaker 1: important thing. If you need more than three minutes, don't 903 00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,959 Speaker 1: censor yourself, don't edit yourself. Write us an email, send 904 00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,240 Speaker 1: us those links. Take us to the rabbit hole. We 905 00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,600 Speaker 1: will dive in. We read every single email we get. 906 00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:43,880 Speaker 1: Where we are conspiracy at iHeart radio dot com. Stuff 907 00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:45,800 Speaker 1: they Don't Want You to Know is a production of 908 00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,800 Speaker 1: I heart Radio. For more podcasts from my heart Radio, 909 00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,960 Speaker 1: visit the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 910 00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:53,200 Speaker 1: listen to your favorite shows.