Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. Somebody
Speaker 1: up there is listening to me. I mean up there
Speaker 1: in the ranks of the pollsters. We have the first
Speaker 1: polling not on what I've been begging for, a hypothetical
Speaker 1: presidential recall vote, but on the next best thing, a
Speaker 1: presidential revote if the twenty twenty four election were held today.
Speaker 1: Harris forty seven, Trump forty two among the same voters.
Speaker 1: The first reliable midterm indicators. Democratic House candidates favored over
Speaker 1: Republicans by six This is all from Elliott Morris, The
Speaker 1: Last King of Five p. Thirty eight, for his new
Speaker 1: site Strength in numbers done by Verisite polling and Trump's
Speaker 1: interior numbers. Trump is not underwater, He's drowning. He is
Speaker 1: sixteen points under on net approval, but on strongly approved
Speaker 1: or disapproval. Strong net approval he's down by two to
Speaker 1: one forty two percent strongly disapprove. The strongly approved number
Speaker 1: is twenty one percent. That is half by individual policies.
Speaker 1: Is the economy better now under Trump's decisions or was
Speaker 1: it better last year under Biden's decisions? He's net minus
Speaker 1: thirty four prices and inflation, He's at net minus thirty two,
Speaker 1: tariffs and trade net minus twenty one, the Doge bullshit
Speaker 1: and social programs net minus twenty jobs, and the economy
Speaker 1: net minus seventeen, Foreign policy net minus sixteen, healthcare net
Speaker 1: minus sixteen, education net minus sixteen, immigration net minus two,
Speaker 1: border security net plus ten. Until you go into specifics,
Speaker 1: ask about sending all undocumented immigrants back to their home country,
Speaker 1: and Trump gets that net plus ten. Then tell them
Speaker 1: the Kilmar Abrego Garcia story and the other mistakes, or
Speaker 1: the deliberate seizing of people who are here legally and
Speaker 1: disappearing them anyway and refusing to bring them back, and
Speaker 1: Trump's support collapses craters. Trump goes from plus sixteen to
Speaker 1: minus four. He is underwater on disappearing.
Speaker 2: Immigrants.
Speaker 1: Bluntly speaking, were this Obama or Clinton or Carter, the
Speaker 1: right wing meet would be demanding that the president either
Speaker 1: fire his entire cabinet or resign his office. And just
Speaker 1: when you thought you never wanted to hear another poll
Speaker 1: goddamned number again. Harris by five if the election were
Speaker 1: held today, Democrats by six. In the House midterms, Trump
Speaker 1: approval net minus sixteen. Trump economic decisions net minus thirty four.
Speaker 1: Trump renditions plus sixteen until you tell them the truth,
Speaker 1: and then it drops twenty points. And yet they keep
Speaker 1: digging on the kidnapping and the abuse and the erasure
Speaker 1: of due process. A memo to Christy Nome, the dog
Speaker 1: murdering sadist, the plasticized witch now serving as Trump's ilsa,
Speaker 1: the she wolf of the SS. Even as your criminal gang,
Speaker 1: posing as a government kidnapped Kilmara breg Garcia and renditioned
Speaker 1: him and pretended he could not be brought back, even
Speaker 1: after Trump said he could bring him back, Even as
Speaker 1: your collection of criminal thugs lied about him and slandered
Speaker 1: him and disseminated fabricated photographs of him. Even then, none
Speaker 1: of you had the gall to accuse him or charge
Speaker 1: him with terrorism. And then you know, in the House
Speaker 1: of Representatives, as Democrat after Democrat tore you to shreds,
Speaker 1: and Congressman Goldman in some respects avenged your daughter's puppy cricket,
Speaker 1: you had the nerve to call mister Abrego Garcia a terrorist.
Speaker 1: The terrorists here are those who disappeared Abrego Garcia, the
Speaker 1: fiends without souls like Trump and Nome f you, which
Speaker 1: if your continued advocacy for him were too.
Speaker 3: I'm not advocating for him, I'm advocating for a court order,
Speaker 3: Madam Secretary.
Speaker 1: This the court order.
Speaker 3: Says that you must take steps to follow the court order.
Speaker 1: You are here under oath.
Speaker 3: What steps have you taken to return mister Abrego Garcia
Speaker 3: pursue it to this court order.
Speaker 4: It's got to be extremely discouraging to be one of
Speaker 4: your constituents. To see you fight for a terrorist like
Speaker 4: this and not fight for them is extremely alarming to.
Speaker 3: I'm fighting for due process, and that's under the Constitution, gentlemen,
Speaker 3: as you fight to hire process.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Congressman Goldman. So they had to submit a
Speaker 1: privileged log in the Abrego Garcia case or probably face
Speaker 1: a contempt charge from Judge Zennis. Had to do it
Speaker 1: by Tuesday at three pm. They filed it under seal,
Speaker 1: so the public cannot see it because obviously there is
Speaker 1: nothing about it that needs to be secret or sealed.
Speaker 1: Afforded chance after chance to cure their breach of the
Speaker 1: laws of the basic morality, they have refused. This will matter, Christyme,
Speaker 1: Tom Holman, Donald Trump, during your trials and the trials
Speaker 1: of the others four years from now, and in Abrago
Speaker 1: Garcia's suits against you, each individually for millions of dollars.
Speaker 1: There's another hearing in this case tomorrow, as Judge Zennis
Speaker 1: continues to build her file for contempt charges. Can you
Speaker 1: give Christinome a thousand years in jail for contempt? Even
Speaker 1: a Trump appointee, Judge Stephanie Haynes of Pennsylvania, while becoming
Speaker 1: the first to rubber snamp his disappearing of Hispanic people
Speaker 1: and Trump's unconstitutional misuse of the Alien Enemies Act, even
Speaker 1: she says they cannot simply grab people and throw them
Speaker 1: on a plane and give them three hours to try
Speaker 1: to stop it through legal action. They must be given
Speaker 1: three weeks of due process, three weeks at least. Even
Speaker 1: a Trump stooge says this. Meanwhile, the Trump four hundred
Speaker 1: million dollar flying bribe crisis is so bad even Chuck
Speaker 1: Schumer has noticed. The Trump four hundred million dollar flying
Speaker 1: bribe crisis is so bad even Politico wrote something almost
Speaker 1: snarky and pithy about it Guitar Alago in response to
Speaker 1: Trump taking the guitar bribe. Schumer has actually done one
Speaker 1: of the few things he can do one of the
Speaker 1: few things McConnell or any of those evil bastards would
Speaker 1: have done. He's placing holds on all Justice Department political appointees.
Speaker 1: He should now have every Democratic senator call a hold
Speaker 1: on something or somebody that the Republicans are trying to
Speaker 1: fast track through the Senate. Slow it all down, freeze them.
Speaker 1: Politico at least acknowledged that everything else Trump is trying
Speaker 1: to do in the Middle East has been dwarfed by
Speaker 1: the four hundred million dollar flying bribe crisis, But as usual,
Speaker 1: its primary presence its playbook newsletter drop the ball on
Speaker 1: what those who are suffering from Maga disease have latched
Speaker 1: onto as the whataboutest headline. By four h five am
Speaker 1: Local time, Trump had taken to reposting comments comparing the
Speaker 1: four hundred million dollar freebe luxury jet plane to France's
Speaker 1: gift of the Statue of Liberty in eighteen eighty four,
Speaker 1: unquote the end, Well, where's the rest of it? The
Speaker 1: background on the statute and the enabling legislation, Where's that?
Speaker 1: Or is Ann Coulter the newest editor of Politico Playbook.
Speaker 2: Hell?
Speaker 1: Everybody else in Washington has had a shot at that
Speaker 1: job in the last six months since Ryan Liza blew
Speaker 1: himself up. I can't wait for the press to find
Speaker 1: out about France's so called gift of the Statue of Liberty,
Speaker 1: accepted in eighteen eighty six by then President Grover Cleveland.
Speaker 1: There is a reason that our shared alma mater leaves Anne.
Speaker 1: That's Ann Coulter, Cornell eighty four off all of its
Speaker 1: lists of alumni. She did not learn enough at Cornell
Speaker 1: to even now go and google stuff, or go to
Speaker 1: Wikipedia or ask a grown up. Unlike Trump's four hundred
Speaker 1: million dollar Freebee luxury Jet, America only accepted the Statfatue
Speaker 1: of Liberty, which by the way, does not fly. After
Speaker 1: the House and Senate passed a joint resolution, and on
Speaker 1: his last full day in office in March eighteen seventy seven,
Speaker 1: President Ulysses S. Grant signed that legislation. The joint resolution
Speaker 1: was based on finding somewhere to put the statue and
Speaker 1: raising funds private funds to erect it. It was christened
Speaker 1: at the end of October eighteen eighty six, a mere
Speaker 1: eleven years and a month after the French first offered it.
Speaker 1: If Trump wants to accept this four hundred million dollar
Speaker 1: bribe and put it into service as Air Force one
Speaker 1: effective June fifteenth, two thousand thirty six. I'm on board
Speaker 1: when this small detail that we only accepted the Statue
Speaker 1: of Liberty after Congress said it was okay. When this
Speaker 1: small detail appeared, those with Maga disease turned to the
Speaker 1: Resolute Desk, the one in the Oval Office, the one
Speaker 1: Trump thinks is called the Resolute desk because that means
Speaker 1: he's resolute, and he heard the word once and he
Speaker 1: thinks it sounds tough, rather than it being called the
Speaker 1: Resolute desk because it was built from the timbers of
Speaker 1: an Arctic exploration ship called Resolute that was abandoned in
Speaker 1: the Arctic in eighteen fifty four. The claim is the
Speaker 1: desk was given to President Rutherford B. Hayes by Queen Victoria,
Speaker 1: and nobody complained about that, and golly, I didn't know
Speaker 1: that the Resolute Desk could also fly like the Statue
Speaker 1: of Liberty, or that it will be handed over to
Speaker 1: the Trump Presidential Library.
Speaker 2: I did know.
Speaker 1: That the ship Resolute was located and towed back to
Speaker 1: America by an American whaling ship, and we, the Americans,
Speaker 1: repaired it for the British who owned the ship, and
Speaker 1: returned it to them, and they used it in service
Speaker 1: in their navy for twenty years, and when they finally
Speaker 1: decommissioned it, they made four desks out of it, and
Speaker 1: Queen Victoria sent one of the desks to President Hayes.
Speaker 2: As a thanks.
Speaker 1: Technically, under naval salvage laws, the Resolute became American property
Speaker 1: the moment we towed it back, so Victoria actually just
Speaker 1: returned part of it to us. And the real question
Speaker 1: isn't who in the hell thinks a desk is the
Speaker 1: same thing as a four hundred million dollar flying bribe.
Speaker 1: That's not the real question. The real question is how
Speaker 1: come when they broke up an entire four hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty four ton ship they only had enough wood to
Speaker 1: make four desks out of it. Most of our nightmare, course,
Speaker 1: is Trump's fault, and those with Maga disease have lost
Speaker 1: their mind over the woke Marxist Pope because they know,
Speaker 1: if any religion is correct, the woke Marxist Pope will
Speaker 1: help send Trump to hell and his judgment cometh right soon.
Speaker 1: The next level of guilty in all this is Trump's
Speaker 1: enablers Lindsey Graham, Marco Rubio, every establishment Republican who traded
Speaker 1: their souls for power and money, perhaps literally traded their souls.
Speaker 1: But the tertiary tear, still to me the most astonishing
Speaker 1: of them all, consists of the people who will go
Speaker 1: to meet their maker, if any, and be fully surprised
Speaker 1: to find out then and only then, that they made
Speaker 1: Trump possible, mostly because they either did not own a mirror,
Speaker 1: or did not use the mirror they did own, or
Speaker 1: saw in that mirror only their own fingers pointing at others.
Speaker 1: And now foremost among them are the smirking self unaware
Speaker 1: Chief Justice of the United States, John Glover Roberts, Junior,
Speaker 1: and one Arthur greg A g Selzberger, the smirking, self
Speaker 1: unaware publisher of The New York Times, And they have
Speaker 1: now spoken words meant to utterly condemn those who have
Speaker 1: assailed and damaged and surrendered in its entirety to Trump,
Speaker 1: in Robert's case, the judicial system, and in Sealzburger's case,
Speaker 1: the news reportorial system. Roberts has now told an audience
Speaker 1: at Georgetown, at least many of whom had to have
Speaker 1: realized that he was talking about himself without ever realizing
Speaker 1: it that in this country the rule of law is
Speaker 1: now quote endangered, and that while he encourages criticism of
Speaker 1: court decisions quote not ad hominem against the justices, I
Speaker 1: just think that doesn't do any good. While he has
Speaker 1: allowed Alito and Thomas and the others to track the
Speaker 1: liberal justices ad hominem, and for the entirety of those
Speaker 1: with Maga disease to trash judges and others who have
Speaker 1: different religious beliefs, and anybody they don't like, and anybody
Speaker 1: who stands in Trump's way, and anybody who believes in
Speaker 1: the Constitution. He has allowed them to trash all of
Speaker 1: those people at hominem, and he and his little body
Speaker 1: of elves have trashed the Constitution that have made up
Speaker 1: and erased words in it at hominem. Sulzberger has now
Speaker 1: told an audience at Notre Dame, and was so inexplicably
Speaker 1: proud of his brief comments just five thousand, five hundred
Speaker 1: and forty five words, that he made his editors publish
Speaker 1: it in his newspaper. He is now told an audience
Speaker 1: at Notre Dame without ever realizing it, that he is
Speaker 1: just as gullible as Bill Maher and that he even
Speaker 1: though sure Trump is trying to stochastically inspire mobs to
Speaker 1: kill him and the other people who run the Times,
Speaker 1: and to burn the New York Times to the ground,
Speaker 1: and to have his legal whores sue the Times and
Speaker 1: everybody else to end freedom of the press in this country,
Speaker 1: that in person, Sealzburger says, Trump was quote Sybil and
Speaker 1: quote despite his bombastic rhetoric, he's a longtime reader of
Speaker 1: the Times who loved chatting with our reporters and sending
Speaker 1: them signed clippings of articles that caught his eye. Removed
Speaker 1: from the rally stage, he admits to being an admirer
Speaker 1: of what he's called my newspaper and a great great
Speaker 1: American jewel, a world jewel. Sealzburger pulled himself out of
Speaker 1: Trump's ass long enough to add that Joe Biden and
Speaker 1: his aides lashed out at the Times, but quote Trump,
Speaker 1: in contrast, continues to make himself more available to reporters
Speaker 1: than previous presidents.
Speaker 2: Christ Jesus H.
Speaker 1: Christ Salzburger came this close to saying Trump really likes
Speaker 1: wordle where He's a big fan of the Wirecutter Guide
Speaker 1: to the most cost effective wasp and hornet sprays. Of course,
Speaker 1: Trump has made himself more available to reporters. He's using reporters,
Speaker 1: he's exploiting reporters. He's training them. He certainly has trained
Speaker 1: this NEPO baby, Sealzburger. This is why Salzburger told Notre
Speaker 1: Dame or those who were left awake at the end,
Speaker 1: that the best way to resist Trump is to not
Speaker 1: resist at all. He quoted a Hungarian investigative journalist named
Speaker 1: Andras Petho, whom Sealzburger claims warns that nothing makes autocrats
Speaker 1: happier than reporters who portray themselves as crusaders against the
Speaker 1: regime or victims of it. If you act like an advocate,
Speaker 1: you should not be surprised if you become viewed as such.
Speaker 1: If you are in the news business, your greatest possible
Speaker 1: contribution to saving democracies is doing your job and doing
Speaker 1: it well. Mister Selzberger did not note that for whatever
Speaker 1: good mister Pitho has done or tried to do in
Speaker 1: Hungary during his time as a journalist in Hungary, Hungary
Speaker 1: has moved from democracy to dictatorship and is now the
Speaker 1: template for Trump's American dictatorship and the delight of the
Speaker 1: Tucker Carlsons of this world. Mister Patho's words are noble
Speaker 1: and laudatory and completely irrelevant. And oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: his approach failed in Hungary and it is failing in America.
Speaker 1: Don't advocate, Just point and go tisc. Don't advocate when
Speaker 1: those who want capitalist democracy and those who want it
Speaker 1: replaced by fascist kleptocracy have now divided completely into two
Speaker 1: separate political parties. Just report on Trump. That'll show him.
Speaker 1: Just report on Orban. That'll show him. No, actually it won't.
Speaker 1: It'll show mister Peto, or it should have. He had
Speaker 1: to relocate to Harvard as a Nieman Fellow for a year,
Speaker 1: and much of his work now is not published in
Speaker 1: Hungary because you can't. It's published here in places like
Speaker 1: The Times. Because no, don't ever crusade or advocate or
Speaker 1: acknowledge that Orban is trying to kill you. Where that
Speaker 1: Hitler was, where that Trump is quoting Sealzburger again. The
Speaker 1: signs that have troubled me most have come from other
Speaker 1: public and private sector leaders, too worried about the administration
Speaker 1: to stand up for their own rights and principles. Large companies,
Speaker 1: nonprofits and foundations long supportive of journalism now tell us
Speaker 1: they fear retaliation if they openly support news organizations. Mister Sealzburger,
Speaker 1: get thee to a mirror. You are no longer standing
Speaker 1: up for your own rights and principles. The Times was
Speaker 1: founded as the Civil War loomed. Do you really think
Speaker 1: your predecessors told each other not to crusade or advocate for,
Speaker 1: you know, the destruction of slavery rather than the destruction
Speaker 1: of this country. This simpleton, Sealzburger, has been ted bundied,
Speaker 1: just like Mar was Ted Bundy Trump twice in Mars case,
Speaker 1: just like thousands millions before them have been ted Bundy
Speaker 1: by Ted Bundy Trump. I got a fan letter from
Speaker 1: Trump once. My first reaction was what the f is
Speaker 1: wrong with this guy? My reaction rereading that fan letter
Speaker 1: today is what the f is wrong with this guy?
Speaker 1: My reaction the day I met him in nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: three was what the f is wrong with this guy?
Speaker 1: Nothing about how civil he is. You are being massaged
Speaker 1: and manipulated, Salzburger, to the point where Trump can stop
Speaker 1: with the compliments and you will just keep on massaging
Speaker 1: and manipulating yourself, like Chief Justice Roberts has, We're developing
Speaker 1: a situation where a whole group of young people is
Speaker 1: growing up having no real sense about how our system
Speaker 1: of justice works developing, mister Roberts. This started with the
Speaker 1: gutting of education under Ronald Reagan. It continues at this
Speaker 1: minute under the president from your party, mister Roberts, the
Speaker 1: president for whom your zeppelin sized corruption machines Alito and
Speaker 1: Thomas stay Aloft. The President just named a secretary of
Speaker 1: education of person instructed to destroy. The secretary of Education,
Speaker 1: a woman so stupid she literally thinks AI is pronounced
Speaker 1: a one. I'm the secretary of stik sauce. And tell me,
Speaker 1: mister Chief Justice, how does our system of justice work today?
Speaker 1: Any school child trying to learn more than Trump wants
Speaker 1: to teach him, would look at the Supreme Court and say,
Speaker 1: they're the ones who made up presidential immunity. It's not
Speaker 1: in the constitution. They erase the fourteenth Amendment. They're now
Speaker 1: looking for ways to erase the twenty second Amendment about
Speaker 1: term limits. And they have been ignored by, and embarrassed by,
Speaker 1: and urinated upon by this belching dictator in what is
Speaker 1: now nearly six weeks of contempt of one of the
Speaker 1: Court's orders in that of Brago Garcia case, and the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court has done nothing about it.
Speaker 2: Nothing.
Speaker 1: Well, the judiciary beneath it rots and withers because judges
Speaker 1: are afraid to do a damn thing about a tyrant
Speaker 1: who self inflates a little bit bigger every goddamn day,
Speaker 1: And the Supreme Court just sits there. But tell me
Speaker 1: more about who's it fault here, Johnny Roberts, for endangering
Speaker 1: the judicial system, and how it certainly is not you.
Speaker 1: And tell me more about who's it fault here, Dash
Speaker 1: Selzburger for endangering freedom of the press, and how it
Speaker 1: certainly is not you. We're all trying to find the
Speaker 1: guy who did this, says the guy in the hot
Speaker 1: dog suit, after somebody drives a hot dog shaped car
Speaker 1: into a store and give him a spanking. Roberts and
Speaker 1: Sealzburger didn't say that, of course, Tim Robinson did in
Speaker 1: his show I Think You Should Leave in the Hot
Speaker 1: Dog Suit and in a billion meme replays since. But
Speaker 1: Robinson could redo that sketch now using a scotismobile while
Speaker 1: wearing the robes of the Chief Justice of the United States,
Speaker 1: or while driving a New York Times delivery van while
Speaker 1: wearing a bright red Times Cooking apron forty two ninety
Speaker 1: five special Delivery available because in a time when the
Speaker 1: minimum we need for America to survive is a chief
Speaker 1: justice who realizes that it is the president who is
Speaker 1: gradually turning the government into his own merchandise outlet store.
Speaker 1: And a publisher of the leading newspaper who realizes that
Speaker 1: the leading newspaper has to advocate for the truth and
Speaker 1: for the continuation of democracy, and for the life of
Speaker 1: the nation, and not for balanced headlines like some say
Speaker 1: Trump should be a dictator, but others suggest he should
Speaker 1: instead destroy representative government. But instead of that, and the
Speaker 1: imagery isn't just good, it's perfect, and it isn't mine.
Speaker 1: It's that of the online satirist Darth. Instead of that,
Speaker 1: the one and only thing John Roberts and A. G.
Speaker 1: Sealzburger are actually doing is fighting over who gets to
Speaker 1: wear Tim Robinson's goddamned hot dog suit. I would suggest
Speaker 1: Sealzburger sells The Times, but he would probably sell it
Speaker 1: to Mark Zuckerberg or Musk I'd suggest Roberts resign as
Speaker 1: Chief Justice, but Trump would then just to point Alena
Speaker 1: Habba and checking in on Maga disease patient zero. Trump's
Speaker 1: brain has continued its ceaseless march towards liquification.
Speaker 5: Friend of mine who's a business man, very very very
Speaker 5: top guy. Most of you would have heard of him,
Speaker 5: a highly neurotic, brilliant businessman, seriously overweight, and he takes
Speaker 5: the fat the fat shot drug. And he called me
Speaker 5: up and he said President. He used to call me Donald.
Speaker 5: Now he calls me president, so that's nice.
Speaker 2: Respect.
Speaker 5: But it's a rough guy, smart guy, very successfully, very rich.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't even know how we would know this, but
Speaker 5: because he's got comments the president, could I ask you
Speaker 5: a question. What I'm in London and I just paid
Speaker 5: for this damn fat drug I take.
Speaker 2: I said, it's not working. He said, he said.
Speaker 1: A friend who takes the quote fat shot takes.
Speaker 2: The fat shot.
Speaker 1: Well, we know Trump's not talking about himself, is he.
Speaker 2: Musk?
Speaker 1: Maybe Trump told that story again later on Air Force one,
Speaker 1: the non briby one he has now, so maybe he
Speaker 1: is talking about himself, which raises the horrifying specter that
Speaker 1: this glutenous mass wearing a tent converted into a suit
Speaker 1: with a red tie, that it's actually Trump after ozempic
Speaker 1: speaking of that, Uh, here we go. Steve the blob
Speaker 1: Bannon isn't taking the quote fat shot either, but he
Speaker 1: does think the election was rigged. Not twenty twenty, not
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, not twenty twenty four, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: The papal election. The papal election was rigged.
Speaker 4: The conclave for the Pope was more rigged than the
Speaker 4: twenty twenty election. Now, why do I say, let me
Speaker 4: back up some facts. On Piers Morgan show. Ten days
Speaker 4: before the conclave started, I called, I said, Prevost is
Speaker 4: the dark horse. He wasn't in any betting pool if
Speaker 4: you look at it, tell TV nowhere.
Speaker 1: The reason is is not only.
Speaker 4: Is the uh he's only been a cardinal less than
Speaker 4: two years. And it only took three ballots, folks, It
Speaker 4: took one day. They had one vote late in the afternoon.
Speaker 4: Next day came back. It is impossible, and he taught
Speaker 4: the Daily Mayor reports. He talked to his brother the
Speaker 4: two days before the conclave and they were talking about
Speaker 4: picking Leo. They wanted he wanted to pick Leo, but
Speaker 4: he thought it might be the thirteenth, and then they
Speaker 4: figured out I was the fourteenth. How would you talk
Speaker 4: to your brother about that? This was totally rigged by
Speaker 4: the Curia to be both anti Trump and and and
Speaker 4: and and and to drive We're going to have a
Speaker 4: schism in the church because the traditional Catholics are not
Speaker 4: going to go along with the continuation of Burtgolio.
Speaker 1: See what he means by rigged is he didn't get
Speaker 1: the result he wanted. If you were one of one
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty five men in a room and one
Speaker 1: of you was certainly going to be chosen pope, of
Speaker 1: course you would have a name in mind in advance.
Speaker 1: If you're in the cardinal priest business, you probably have
Speaker 1: a name years in advance. I'm not even Catholic, and
Speaker 1: I have my name chosen in advance. A Pola. I
Speaker 1: want to be popa Pola. By the way, just to
Speaker 1: ratchet this up, Steve Bannon is Catholic, I assume lapsed,
Speaker 1: but he went to Benedictine College prep. And the reason
Speaker 1: for his insane conspiracy that for once doesn't even have
Speaker 1: any of his usual bullshit, is unless his religion is
Speaker 1: entirely wrong. He is in more trouble than you can
Speaker 1: possibly imagine. As Don moynihan wrote, asks are red, conclaves
Speaker 1: are Oh wait, last time I said, I should you know? Oh, Nancy,
Speaker 1: the cassicks are red, conclaves are dope. Wake up, babe,
Speaker 1: We've got a word Marxist pole. Thank you, Nancy Fast. Look,
Speaker 1: they can't all be number one, but American political journalism
Speaker 1: needs more singing, not by me. I don't suck exactly,
Speaker 1: but I can't carry a tune for more than forty
Speaker 1: five seconds. But the answer to the cable news crisis
Speaker 1: might just be a show with you know, political songs
Speaker 1: in it. Saturday Night Live used to do it. I
Speaker 1: believe there was a musical about Alexander Hamilton or George
Speaker 1: Hamilton or Lewis Hamilton or somebody.
Speaker 2: What was that? That was the week?
Speaker 1: That was was Mark Russell Tom Lair, which leads to
Speaker 1: this question. At MSNBC, can Jensaki sing?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Well, we know she can sink. I have mentioned before
Speaker 1: here that I was dubious about her possible success at
Speaker 1: MSNBC because she was too much of a saleswoman to doctrinaire,
Speaker 1: too trained in burying the complex and selling the simple,
Speaker 1: and right now having been the White House Press Secretary
Speaker 1: for President Biden is not exactly the coin of the realm. Plus,
Speaker 1: I don't know how many MSNBC shows I witnessed vanish
Speaker 1: without a trace, even as we all knew beforehand they would.
Speaker 1: But I did not think that Jensaki Show would be
Speaker 1: in a death spiral by the middle of week two.
Speaker 1: One million, two hundred thousand for her debut a week
Speaker 1: ago Tuesday, good, one hundred and thirty nine thousand in
Speaker 1: the advertiser's demo twenty five to fifty four good. Not
Speaker 1: a guarantee of success, but pretty good. Hopeful the next
Speaker 1: night down to a million viewers and a genuinely shocking
Speaker 1: loss of fifty three percent of the younger audience down
Speaker 1: to sixty six thousand of them for comparison, and I
Speaker 1: know it's little green apples to big red apples. This
Speaker 1: podcast now usually exceeds a total audience of one hundred
Speaker 1: thousand per episode. And if your demo audience on TV
Speaker 1: is smaller than my totalde audience on a podcast which
Speaker 1: I record here in my suit closet, you're done. It
Speaker 1: is possible Saki could have a future in a show
Speaker 1: as one of eight or nine people like that thing
Speaker 1: that is on against her at nine pm on CNN
Speaker 1: that nobody watches, as well the Abby. We don't actually
Speaker 1: put this political pie fight on TV. We just do
Speaker 1: it to produce viral clips. Philip Hower. And if you'd
Speaker 1: like even worse political media news, well, of course there's
Speaker 1: ag Sealzberger in the hot dog suit. But also Semaphore
Speaker 1: reports that a Democratic donor group called American Bridge held
Speaker 1: a retreat with a goal of detoxifying the Democratic brand. Now,
Speaker 1: if the brand really is toxic, it is toxic with
Speaker 1: Democrats who are tired of their leaders going to retreats
Speaker 1: rather than going to training camps at which they could
Speaker 1: learn how to metaphorically break the MAGA disease carriers in
Speaker 1: the House, in the Senate, on TV, and on the
Speaker 1: goddamned campaign trail. If the brand really is toxic, why
Speaker 1: that toxic loser atop the last Democratic toxic emergency toxic
Speaker 1: ticket the polling just indicated would beat Trump today by
Speaker 1: five points. Oh it's toxic. Oh we'd win the presidency
Speaker 1: if the vote were today, Well, still toxic. I don't
Speaker 1: make any money. If it's not toxic, who needs consultants?
Speaker 1: If we would win, don't tell anybody about that poll.
Speaker 1: This is not how democratic leaders see it. The Semaphore
Speaker 1: report is that the American Bridge people paid some media
Speaker 1: types to steer the Democrats forward to regain independence, which
Speaker 1: is shorthand for let's burn the money, to try to
Speaker 1: find ways to get people who voted for Trump to
Speaker 1: be sane again. Among the people they paid money, Tim
Speaker 1: Miller and Bill Crystal of the Bulwark that would be
Speaker 1: Jeb Bush's communications director and Dan Quayle's chief of staff,
Speaker 1: clearly lifelong Democrats. They asked Matt Iglesias, who is I
Speaker 1: believe the current leading candidate to get this year's Chris
Speaker 1: Solicit chair in both sides ism at the Chuck Todd
Speaker 1: School of Broadcasting, and best of all, to show Democrats
Speaker 1: exactly how to move forward and save democracy. American Bridge
Speaker 1: paid an unnamed sum for a speech from that dedicated, principled, unswerving,
Speaker 1: never wavering anti Trump warrior, Joe Scarborough. My sources say
Speaker 1: Joe Scarborough told the group quote, we're all trying to
Speaker 1: find a guy who did this and give him a spanking.
Speaker 1: Please tell me, you didn't pay Joe Scarborough more than
Speaker 1: twenty five dollars. Also of interest, here funniest dog gun
Speaker 1: thing a White Sox fan. He's elected pope and five
Speaker 1: days later, shoelessh Joe jackson of a White Sox suddenly
Speaker 1: becomes eligible for the Baseball Hall of Fame. That's next.
Speaker 1: This is countdown. This is countdown with Keith Olberman.
Speaker 6: This is Sports Senate. Wait, check that not anymore. This
Speaker 6: is countdown with Keith.
Speaker 1: Olberman still ahead. You know which state has the crowns
Speaker 1: democratic leaders? Mine does New York. Andrew Cuomo, who had
Speaker 1: to resign as governor for well, you know, just just
Speaker 1: pick any item on the menu of Skeezee is running
Speaker 1: for mayor now, reportedly with the help of a mega
Speaker 1: super pack. Isn't that special? Ahead in Worse Persons? First
Speaker 1: from the Sportsball Central Center news desk tonight dateline, Cooperstown,
Speaker 1: New York, to the seventeen baseball men who on Tuesday
Speaker 1: suddenly found themselves no longer banned from baseball and no
Speaker 1: longer banned, thus from the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown.
Speaker 2: New York.
Speaker 1: I've got good news and I've got bad news. The
Speaker 1: good news is you are no longer banned, Pete Rose,
Speaker 1: you are no longer banned, Shoelash, Joe Jackson, no longer banned,
Speaker 1: Eddie Seacott and Buck Weaver, and even Benny Kauff. The
Speaker 1: bad news is you're all still dead. The seventeen guys,
Speaker 1: including all eight members of the infamous Black Sox White
Speaker 1: Sox who threw or tried to throw, or took money
Speaker 1: to throw, or knew about money being offered to throw
Speaker 1: the nineteen nineteen World Series, and the former Phillies owner
Speaker 1: who bet on baseball, William Cox, and Benny Kauff, who
Speaker 1: won the batting championship of the Federal League both years
Speaker 1: there was a Federal League, and several others become eligible
Speaker 1: again when Baseball Commissioner Rob Manfred declared that if you're
Speaker 1: on the permanently ineligible list and you're dead, poof, you're
Speaker 1: no longer on the permanently ineligible list. He may have
Speaker 1: done this because Trump told him too, for Pete Rose's sake.
Speaker 1: I wish I were kidding talk about dead metaphorically or otherwise.
Speaker 1: I have long had mixed feelings about all of them
Speaker 1: on that list. Unlike my feelings about Rob Manfred metaphorically,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of deceased in the brain. I thought
Speaker 1: there should be echelon's at the Hall of Fame, including
Speaker 1: an echelon for the guys whose skills were worthy but
Speaker 1: whose conduct was not like Shoelish, Joe Jackson, Pete Rose,
Speaker 1: Barry Bonds. Put them in the Hall of Fame, but
Speaker 1: like you know, in a part that isn't well lit,
Speaker 1: or they don't clean it every day or something. In
Speaker 1: any event, I am a believer in mercy, but do
Speaker 1: not kid yourself. This decision by Baseball ain't got nothing
Speaker 1: to do with mercy. It has everything to do with
Speaker 1: merch merchandise because the moment this was announced on Tuesday,
Speaker 1: the value of all substantial Pete Rose memorabilia and all
Speaker 1: Joe Jackson's stuff went up because they will probably now
Speaker 1: go into the Hall of Fame in the next few years,
Speaker 1: which means also guess what the Hall of Fame and
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball can now sell with impunity. Yeah, Pete
Speaker 1: Rose and Joe Jackson's stuff and still ahead on this
Speaker 1: all new edition of Countdown. The greatest discovery of rare,
Speaker 1: even unique sports trading cards took place forty years ago,
Speaker 1: this summer inside the false ceiling of a wreck room
Speaker 1: in a house in New London, Connecticut, and they called
Speaker 1: of all people in as the expert me it was
Speaker 1: like Aladdin cave in there, and I could have purchased
Speaker 1: all of it, but I had because I was between jobs.
Speaker 1: Two hundred dollars to my name. I have finally gotten
Speaker 1: the key, the most intriguing, the most interesting of all
Speaker 1: those cards, the one with the best imaginable backstory, which
Speaker 1: I will tell next first, believe it or not, there
Speaker 1: are still more new idiots to talk about. The roundup
Speaker 1: of the miscreants, morons and Dunning Krueger effects specimens who
Speaker 1: constitute the latest other worst persons in the world, the
Speaker 1: brons worse. The Protein Puck Company of Boise, Idaho. As
Speaker 1: a vegetarian, I have nothing against the product. It's described
Speaker 1: as plant based energy, and it has a variety of
Speaker 1: enticing flavors, and bluntly, it's better than eating something you
Speaker 1: could probably train to be a loving pet. But that
Speaker 1: name and that appearance and those sub brands, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a hockey puck sized and shaped like massive seeds
Speaker 1: and nuts and stuff. My friend paton Oswalt. We share
Speaker 1: a birthday. We were in the first episode of BoJack
Speaker 1: Horseman together. He's been a guest on my show. Patten
Speaker 1: posted a photo of one the Wanderlust full size protein
Speaker 1: puck and if you've ever seen the famous Charlton Heston
Speaker 1: actually overacted more in this movie than he did in
Speaker 1: the Planet of the Apes movie. The Citizen Kane of
Speaker 1: over the top dystopian Flick's Soilent Green. You immediately thought
Speaker 1: of one thing, and one thing only. Soilent Green, a
Speaker 1: special flavor filled wafer given out just once a week
Speaker 1: to a starving, overpopulated world of the future. Supposedly it
Speaker 1: was made out of plankton, but in fact it was
Speaker 1: made out of people. As Heston says in the movie
Speaker 1: when he finds out and proves it, ocean's dying, Plankton's dying,
Speaker 1: it's people.
Speaker 2: Soil and green is made out of people. They're making
Speaker 2: our food out of people. Next thing they'll be breeding
Speaker 2: is like cattle for food.
Speaker 1: You gotta tell them, you gotta tell them, I.
Speaker 2: Mean protein bucks. It's goalies. Protein Bucks is made out
Speaker 2: of hockey goalies.
Speaker 1: They're making our food out of hockey people. Okay, they're not.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's a joke. It's just what I thought of.
Speaker 1: But seriously, maybe you want to tweak.
Speaker 2: The name or the shape or I don't know. I
Speaker 2: like the idea. I might eat one, but.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Thinking about all those former New York
Speaker 1: Rangers defense prospects, the runner up worser goalie Sheikh Holslami,
Speaker 1: the chief executive of Politico. Politico, outside of like Fox News,
Speaker 1: might be the journalistic outlet which most thinks it's a ten,
Speaker 1: when it's actually about a two, maybe a one and
Speaker 1: a half. Politico is in the log rolling business, not
Speaker 1: the news business. You have something to promote, go there.
Speaker 1: You have something to leak, you go there. You have
Speaker 1: something you want your committee to approve.
Speaker 2: You go there.
Speaker 1: It's in the spotted business listing which D list reporters attended,
Speaker 1: which D list parties at the C list events after
Speaker 1: the C list White House Correspondence dinner. This is where
Speaker 1: Ryan Lizza worked, where Steven Miller could threaten to suspend
Speaker 1: Habeas Corpus. But in the first newsletter of the New
Speaker 1: Business Week, Politico wouldn't mention that fact. But it did
Speaker 1: find room that day for the list of the birthdays
Speaker 1: of congressional staffers. They asked Miss Shaikoslami about the new
Speaker 1: world of high profile independent reporting, newsletters, podcasts, platforms in
Speaker 1: which former mainstream news stalwarts now act independently like you
Speaker 1: know here in Paradise. She dismissed the entirety of the field, quote,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say we're in the same business. Politico serves
Speaker 1: a very specific audience that relies on us, not just
Speaker 1: for insight, but real time intelligence tools. We have six
Speaker 1: hundred political and policy journalists worldwide. That's hard to replicate bullshit.
Speaker 1: Politico is the same place that hired a writer I
Speaker 1: will not call her a reporter named Dasha Burns. Hired
Speaker 1: her away from NBC, where the night before a Republican debate,
Speaker 1: she let two Trump goons buy her and others dinner
Speaker 1: while they mocked the other candidates at the debate. They
Speaker 1: made Burns Politico did their White House Bureau chief, and
Speaker 1: not long after she went out and nominally appeared at
Speaker 1: Sea Pack you know, Nazi Con. She appeared on stage
Speaker 1: at Seapack. Not only on stage at Sea Pack, but
Speaker 1: as the Seapack interviewer of the Ridiculous trumpster Rit Grennell,
Speaker 1: she's an official component of an outfit that wants to
Speaker 1: end democracy as we know it. But even if it didn't,
Speaker 1: even if it were the Democratic Purity Conference where the
Speaker 1: Keith Olberman fan Club annual dinner dance, how after you
Speaker 1: appear on stage doing an interview for it as part
Speaker 1: of it, how are you still a reporter after that?
Speaker 1: The answer is you're not. The head of Politico is
Speaker 1: right in a way about all us independence out here.
Speaker 1: We are independent, independent, We are not compromised. We are
Speaker 1: not reduced like ms Burns, like Politico, to be stenographers
Speaker 1: and publicists without any standards. Speaking of which our winner
Speaker 1: worst and Drew Cuomo, the disgraced, the multiple disgrace award
Speaker 1: winning former governor of New York COVID women a kind
Speaker 1: of conspiracy with his brother, the equally disgraced ex newscaster,
Speaker 1: not doing the job well, pretty much the complete set
Speaker 1: of bad. Evidently, mister Cuomo has looked at the New
Speaker 1: York City mayor's race and the list of recent New
Speaker 1: York City mayors and said, Hey, I'm bad enough to
Speaker 1: hold that job. He's running for the office as a
Speaker 1: Democrat in the primary, possibly because He wants to make
Speaker 1: current Mayor Eric Adams, who is a Republican sheep in
Speaker 1: sheep's clothing, and Adam's predecessor, Bill de Blasio, a well
Speaker 1: intentioned but panoramically incompetent administrator. He wants to make the
Speaker 1: both of them look better. Cuomo just hit a kind
Speaker 1: of speed bump though, that not only underscored his own
Speaker 1: lack of standards, but revealed the truth that while he
Speaker 1: may be running as a Democrat, he ain't a Democrat.
Speaker 1: He was supposed to get six hundred and twenty two
Speaker 1: thousand and fifty six dollars in matching funds for his
Speaker 1: mayoralty campaign. That's what we do here, We give out
Speaker 1: matching funds. But his gang apparently screwed up the filing
Speaker 1: instructions about its relationships with other groups trying to funnel
Speaker 1: money into all the campaigns, and the city Elections Board
Speaker 1: docked his campaign that money. He still gets about a
Speaker 1: million and a half, but he was supposed to get
Speaker 1: about two point one million. No, six hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: two thousand and fifty six bucks for you, mister Cuomo,
Speaker 1: and limiting his expenditures by the same amount, all because
Speaker 1: he potentially coordinated with a group called Fix the City NYC,
Speaker 1: which has flooded the internet with demands that Cuomo become
Speaker 1: the next mayor. And who exactly is Fix the City NYC?
Speaker 1: According to New York State Assemblymen Zora and Mamdani, also
Speaker 1: running from mayor, it's a quote Maga funded super pack.
Speaker 1: So Cuomo wants to be elected the Democratic mayor of
Speaker 1: New York with the help of Maga Andrew. If there
Speaker 1: was anything corrupt left to do, he just did it.
Speaker 1: Andrew Maga Cuomo two days other worst worth.
Speaker 6: In the world.
Speaker 1: To the number one story on the countdown, and there
Speaker 1: is an excellent chance you're about to hit stop. That's okay,
Speaker 1: but if you do, you will miss a pretty good
Speaker 1: story of what happens when one of the greatest athletes
Speaker 1: of his generation has undiagnosed bipole hilarity, and what happens
Speaker 1: when you hit that magical moment of which every investor
Speaker 1: or collector dreams. You have found that priceless needle in
Speaker 1: the haystack, and you do not even have the money
Speaker 1: with which to buy a piece of the hey let
Speaker 1: alone the whole haystack. I've had a good run lately
Speaker 1: in my main hobby of my life, finding those pieces
Speaker 1: of sports memorabilia I've been looking for, in some cases,
Speaker 1: looking for for half a century, nineteen ninety Louisville slugger
Speaker 1: glove tag Eric Davis, where he's listed as an outfielder,
Speaker 1: not as outfield. Only a few copies exist. I suddenly
Speaker 1: found three of them. Turns out there are two different versions,
Speaker 1: a variety upon a variety. I just traded around three
Speaker 1: hundred nineteen hundred and seven British soccer cards for one
Speaker 1: really scarce nineteen ten British football card number forty five
Speaker 1: David dy Jones of Mirth might be a unique car card.
Speaker 1: And while I'm still looking for the nineteen sixty seven
Speaker 1: Tops baseball proof card of number four eighty seven Tommy
Speaker 1: Reynolds with his name spelled wrong Tommy, which I could
Speaker 1: have bought at an auction in nineteen eighty nine, but
Speaker 1: I got scared when it got up to one thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: If you have one, let me know. I finally have
Speaker 1: landed the infamous Tops hockey card of Marcel Piee that
Speaker 1: they fixed because it doesn't show Marcel Piee, it shows
Speaker 1: Frank Pace. That's the story right there, and what it
Speaker 1: leads to is this. I'm pretty sure that there are
Speaker 1: three unissued error cards that the TOPS company printed then
Speaker 1: withdrew from its nineteen sixty two to sixty three hockey set.
Speaker 1: Whether any of them, like the Piee Pacee got job,
Speaker 1: ever got into the packs of hockey cards so the
Speaker 1: kids could buy them, I can't say, but based on
Speaker 1: the TOPS production methods, I'm pretty sure they could have
Speaker 1: gotten into the packs. They might have been issued, they
Speaker 1: might have been withdrawn. The scarcest of all varieties in
Speaker 1: sports cards, there's number three Bruce cam Gamble, which has
Speaker 1: a photo of Doug Mons, and number six Doug Moans,
Speaker 1: which has a photo of Bruce Gamble, and especially number
Speaker 1: sixty one Marcel Piee with Piee's name and position on
Speaker 1: the front and Piee's biography on the back. But the
Speaker 1: photo is not pie but rather the trainer of the
Speaker 1: New York Rangers, Frank pace the guy with all the
Speaker 1: tape who gives you the rubdowns. These have been categorized
Speaker 1: dismissed even as proof cards, preliminary cards that were corrected
Speaker 1: before the set was printed, cards that were never supposed
Speaker 1: to leave the office. I don't think so, and why
Speaker 1: I don't think so requires a lot of backstory. I
Speaker 1: first bumped into this small scale mystery as an unknown
Speaker 1: but curious ten year old kid after my folks bought
Speaker 1: me the nineteen sixty two sixty three hockey set as
Speaker 1: a Christmas present. That's what Christmas was like for my folks.
Speaker 1: That era's TOPS hockey cards showed only players from the
Speaker 1: Boston Bruins, Chicago Blackhawks, and the New York Rangers. The
Speaker 1: three Canadian teams and Detroit belonged to another company, Parkhurst.
Speaker 1: It quickly struck me, even at age ten, that there
Speaker 1: was something wrong with the personnel selections Tops made for
Speaker 1: the New York Rangers. In that set, the cards were
Speaker 1: numbered ordered by team, and within each team by position.
Speaker 1: The Boston Bruins are numbers one through twenty two, the
Speaker 1: Blackhawks or number twenty three through forty four, and each
Speaker 1: started with the coach, then two goalies, then the defenseman,
Speaker 1: then the forwards, then the picture of the team. But
Speaker 1: the New York Rangers cards number forty five through sixty five,
Speaker 1: there was no card of the coach. There was only
Speaker 1: one goalie, not two, and incongruously, Frank Pace the team's
Speaker 1: trainer when the cards originally came out in nineteen two.
Speaker 1: Still the trainer when I obtained my set in nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty nine. Still the trainer when I came home from
Speaker 1: Easter break as a sophomore in college. Frank Pace is
Speaker 1: in that set. Pick any of those junctures I just mentioned,
Speaker 1: and it never made any sense. No card of the coach,
Speaker 1: one goalie, not two, A card of the trainer. Who
Speaker 1: the hell wants a card of a trainer? My focus
Speaker 1: as a kid was trying to figure out why there
Speaker 1: was no coach card. Future Hall of Famer Doug Harvey
Speaker 1: had come in from the Montreal Canadians to become the
Speaker 1: Rangers player coach, the NHL's last player coach to make
Speaker 1: it through a full season, by the way, and frankly,
Speaker 1: in the nineteen sixty one sixty two season he killed it.
Speaker 1: He led the Rangers to the playoffs for the first
Speaker 1: time in four years. He was named first team All Star.
Speaker 1: He won the Norris Trophy as the top defenseman in
Speaker 1: the league. If there had been an award for top coach,
Speaker 1: he would have won that two He had a three
Speaker 1: year deal at twenty five thousand dollars a year to
Speaker 1: play and coach for the team, and observers figured that
Speaker 1: by succeeding so well in his first year, he had
Speaker 1: cleared the highest hurdle with flying Colors. If anything was
Speaker 1: going to change for the nineteen sixty two sixty three season,
Speaker 1: it was assumed, and Harvey even hinted that, approaching his
Speaker 1: thirty eighth birthday, Harvey would retire as a player and
Speaker 1: just coach the team. Some of Harvey's old teammates with
Speaker 1: the Montreal Canadians thought Harvey might even wind up as
Speaker 1: coach and general manager and player instead. On June fourth,
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two, about two months after the Rangers lost
Speaker 1: their playoff series, Doug Harvey quit as coach. Days later,
Speaker 1: he said he also would not return to the Rangers
Speaker 1: as just a player, and he was in fact retiring
Speaker 1: from hockey. The Rangers kept both their coaching job and
Speaker 1: Harvey's spot on their roster open ontil August twenty second,
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two, when they talked him back as a
Speaker 1: player only for what was then a record salary of
Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars a year, maybe thirty five thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: On August thirty, they announced that general manager muzz Patrick,
Speaker 1: who had just given Harvey at least a five thousand
Speaker 1: dollars rais to do a lot less work. Muz would
Speaker 1: coach the team with the assistance of former Rangers goalie
Speaker 1: Amiel Francis. The smart money was on Patrick spending an
Speaker 1: undetermined period of the season ahead trying to talk Harvey
Speaker 1: into becoming coach again, and if he decided he had
Speaker 1: failed to officially resign and make Amael Francis the full
Speaker 1: time coach. And on December twenty eighth, nineteen sixty two,
Speaker 1: muzz Patrick gave up his pursuit of Harvey. He resigned
Speaker 1: his coach and named as his own successor George Red Sullivan.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: Needless to say, this completely screwed up the hockey card
Speaker 1: preparations at the TOPS company. The deadline to finalize the
Speaker 1: set looks to have been around mid September nineteen sixty two.
Speaker 1: We can conclude this by the fact that Tops did
Speaker 1: not touch Harvey with a ten foot pole. It did
Speaker 1: not make any card of any kind of Doug Harvey,
Speaker 1: but it did make a card of a veteran player
Speaker 1: named Bert Olmsted, who had been obtained by the New
Speaker 1: York Rangers in the summer draft. Olmsted retired from hockey
Speaker 1: during training camp on September twentieth, but he's still in
Speaker 1: the set, so that means they published them before September twentieth.
Speaker 1: Otherwise they would have gotten rid of him. Hell, they
Speaker 1: got rid of Doug Harvey. Tops didn't know if Harvey
Speaker 1: would be player coach or just coach or just player
Speaker 1: or none of the above, so they left him out
Speaker 1: as if more uncertainty were needed. Doug Harvey broke a
Speaker 1: knuckle in early September diagramming a football play on a blackboard.
Speaker 1: It looked like he would be in the Rangers opening
Speaker 1: night roster, but given his reputation for being erratic, somebody
Speaker 1: made new for sure, but probably nobody did, probably not
Speaker 1: even Doug Harvey. Later his reputation turned out to be
Speaker 1: one part bipolarity and one part self medicating his bipolarity
Speaker 1: with alcohol. Anyway, it looked like Muzz Patrick was the coach,
Speaker 1: but would that still be the case when the cards
Speaker 1: came out. It looked like Emil Francis would eventually be
Speaker 1: the coach, but when turned out, he became the coach
Speaker 1: after Sullivan washed out in nineteen sixty six, four years later,
Speaker 1: but the Defcon one level confusion still would not explain
Speaker 1: why TOPS had decided to make a card of the
Speaker 1: trainer instead of a coach, any coach. Yet there he
Speaker 1: was number sixty one Frank Pace Trainer, New York Rangers. Well,
Speaker 1: from the time I first saw this card, it only
Speaker 1: bothered me for the next fifteen years. To that point,
Speaker 1: in early nineteen eighty five, I wrote a couple of
Speaker 1: pieces about TOPS proof cards. Those, as I mentioned before,
Speaker 1: the original drafts of the cards that were published, just
Speaker 1: to see if the colors were right, the names were right,
Speaker 1: or the photos were right or wrong and were never
Speaker 1: supposed to leave the TOPS office. I published this for
Speaker 1: Baseball Cards Magazine, mostly to pass the time as I
Speaker 1: waited to move from New York to Los Angeles to
Speaker 1: take up a job as the sports director and sportscaster
Speaker 1: on Channel five there. I was kind of a player
Speaker 1: coach too, anyway. Just weeks before my move, at the
Speaker 1: end of August, I was contacted by a man in
Speaker 1: New London, Connecticut, who said he and his friend had
Speaker 1: been remodeling the friend's wreck room there and in the
Speaker 1: ceiling they had discovered a lot, a lot, as in
Speaker 1: hundreds of what he believed were TOPS proof sheets, and
Speaker 1: the same day one of them saw the magazine with
Speaker 1: my article about TOPS proofs at a new stand somewhere.
Speaker 1: Could I come up to New London and evaluate things
Speaker 1: for them, they'd reimburse me, Which is how I happened
Speaker 1: upon the greatest find of proof sheets ever, not counting
Speaker 1: the auction Tops ran emptying its warehouse four years later.
Speaker 1: And of course I happened upon this, this gold mine,
Speaker 1: when I had not worked in literally ten months, was
Speaker 1: taking care of my family. I was going to have
Speaker 1: to borrow the money from my kid's sister to get
Speaker 1: on the bus to go to JFK Airport to get
Speaker 1: to LA for.
Speaker 2: My new job.
Speaker 1: Thanks Jen, What these men had up there in New London,
Speaker 1: Connecticut was simply all but approximately one of all the
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two TOPS Baseball, Tops Football and Tops hockey
Speaker 1: uncut sheets and the aluminum plates from which they were
Speaker 1: printed that you have ever seen or that have ever
Speaker 1: been for sale in the last forty years. They literally
Speaker 1: fell out of this guy's ceiling. The Tops National Football
Speaker 1: League proofs with the wrong player's photo on card after card.
Speaker 1: They were in there. The Baseball All Star cards where
Speaker 1: there was no positions printed, including the Mickey Mantle didn't
Speaker 1: say outfield. They were in there. The photos from the
Speaker 1: second series of the nineteen fifty nine set, including of
Speaker 1: Sandy Kofax, printed for some reason without borders or names
Speaker 1: or anything. They were in there. The nineteen sixty two
Speaker 1: tops card of Don Zimmer listing him with the Mets,
Speaker 1: not the Reds. They were in there, all of them.
Speaker 1: Full color sheets, one color sheets, two color sheets, three
Speaker 1: color sheets, front sheets, back sheets. How how how I
Speaker 1: remember now? The guy I bought the house from, he
Speaker 1: used to work at the printers in town. He told
Speaker 1: me this room had extra insulation. They were using the
Speaker 1: card sheets that the company the guy worked for throw away.
Speaker 1: They were using them as insulation insulation, even though a
Speaker 1: lot of the aluminum printing plates had rusted and in
Speaker 1: some cases that had stained some of the sheets. I
Speaker 1: estimated what they had was worth at least six figures
Speaker 1: maybe seven forty years ago. They thanked me by letting
Speaker 1: me buy one sheet of my choice at way below value.
Speaker 1: I took the baseball sheet with the most variations on
Speaker 1: it from the issued cards those all stars without positions,
Speaker 1: including Mantle and the Zimmer with the Mets and a
Speaker 1: few others, And they only took my last two hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: They gave me the money to go home on the
Speaker 1: train extra. Even with that, I had to cut that
Speaker 1: sheet up to split the cost with a fellow proof
Speaker 1: collector who had a similarly microscopic bank account. My second
Speaker 1: choice out of all these sheets, and there were literally
Speaker 1: hundreds of them, happened to be the sheet on which
Speaker 1: was printed the nineteen sixty two sixty three tops Hockey set.
Speaker 1: The proof sheet, and the proof sheet had just explained
Speaker 1: this whole thing about Doug Harvey, besides the quaint switch
Speaker 1: of the photos of Bruins players gamble and moans. There
Speaker 1: he was top row, third from the right, the Rangers
Speaker 1: hand out photo of their trainer Frank Pace, faintly smiling
Speaker 1: up at me from the sheet, Except that card did
Speaker 1: not identify him as Frank Pace. It called him Marcel Payee,
Speaker 1: and it labeled him not as a trainer but as
Speaker 1: a goalie.
Speaker 2: And of an.
Speaker 1: Instant it sort of made sense they hadn't chosen to
Speaker 1: skip the coach card and put in a trainer instead.
Speaker 1: They had simply added a card of a second Ranger's
Speaker 1: goalie Payee. It might even have been the case that
Speaker 1: there was some original idea to make that number sixty
Speaker 1: one card a cardiff Doug Harvey, because although that run
Speaker 1: of numbers is otherwise occupied by forwards, number sixty one
Speaker 1: does fit into this alphabetical sequence. Fifty nine is Rod
Speaker 1: s Gilbert, sixty is Vic Hadfield, sixty one is Pie,
Speaker 1: but sixty two is Camille Henry. Number sixty three is
Speaker 1: Bronco Horvath, number sixty four is Pat Hannigan, So it's
Speaker 1: a G and H. Payee, then three more hs in
Speaker 1: a row. Maybe number sixty one was originally supposed to
Speaker 1: be Wayne Hall or Brian Hextall, junior Rangers rookies who
Speaker 1: did not make the Rangers out of their training camp.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was supposed to be that Hannigan guy, and
Speaker 1: somebody at Tops was really bad at alphabetizing. Or maybe
Speaker 1: number sixty one was supposed to be Doug Harvey and
Speaker 1: they pulled him out when the final decision was made
Speaker 1: at Top sometime in September nineteen sixty just before they
Speaker 1: said September nineteen sixty two, just before they said roll
Speaker 1: the presses number sixty one became Marcel pie complete with
Speaker 1: the easiest to explain possible mistake, especially in an alphabet
Speaker 1: challenged office where preparing the Canadian hockey card set was
Speaker 1: probably not high on the priority job list. It was
Speaker 1: Frank Pace's mislabeled picture Pace pai Ce instead of Pie
Speaker 1: Pai llle of note back in New London in the
Speaker 1: summer of nineteen eighty five. The pie Proof front with
Speaker 1: Pace's photo was blank backed, and the pie Proof back
Speaker 1: complete with Pie's biography was blank fronted. For years, forty
Speaker 1: of them. I kept an I out for a nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty two sixty three Tops Marcel Piee card in any form.
Speaker 1: Finally I was rewarded a few years ago and one
Speaker 1: of the aluminum printing plate versions I couldn't have afforded
Speaker 1: to buy in the previous century turned up. It was
Speaker 1: the back with the Paie bio. Then a full aluminum
Speaker 1: sheet turned up. I got that too, and finally, a
Speaker 1: couple months ago, a full nineteen sixty two sixty three
Speaker 1: Tops Hockey blank backed proof sheet appeared in another auction,
Speaker 1: complete with a little aluminum debris on the back. It
Speaker 1: is undoubtedly the same one I had gently padded goodbye,
Speaker 1: presumably forever, as I was escorted away by the finders
Speaker 1: and off to the New London train station on the
Speaker 1: early evening of some night in August nineteen eighty five,
Speaker 1: when I was the tender age.
Speaker 2: Of twenty six.
Speaker 1: It was all revealed at some point late in the
Speaker 1: summer of sixty two, Tops gave up waiting for Doug
Speaker 1: Harvey to make up his damn mind. They pulled him
Speaker 1: out of the set. They put the backup goalie Paiee in.
Speaker 1: They grabbed the photo of the wrong guy whose name
Speaker 1: started Pai, and they caught the mistake so late in
Speaker 1: the publishing process that it was just easier and cheaper
Speaker 1: to rewrite the name Pie on the front to the
Speaker 1: name pace and redo the back altogether. It was easier
Speaker 1: and cheaper to do that than it was to swap
Speaker 1: out photos and put in a real photo of Marcel Pie,
Speaker 1: if they even had one. But that's when the TOPS
Speaker 1: vault file binder, page four, It's nineteen sixty two sixty
Speaker 1: three hockey set cards number sixty one to sixty three
Speaker 1: turned up. You're probably unfamiliar with the TOPS file binders.
Speaker 1: They were a kind of a counting record of everything.
Speaker 1: Tops issued two copies of each card in each set,
Speaker 1: from hockey cards to Mars attacks, would be glued onto
Speaker 1: thick construction paper and then kept in three ring binders forever.
Speaker 1: One of them would be glued in face up glue
Speaker 1: on the back, next to it back up face on
Speaker 1: the front on the glue side. Now with only three
Speaker 1: cards shown per page, Needless to say, there were a
Speaker 1: lot of TOPS filebinders sort of proof of publication archive.
Speaker 1: There were so many TOPS filebinders they had their own
Speaker 1: room at the old TOPS headquarters on Whitehall Street in
Speaker 1: New York. I was admitted to this room once. I
Speaker 1: was greatly covetous. Also, the room was so big that
Speaker 1: it echoed. I don't know how I missed it when
Speaker 1: they actually sold the piee pace page in the first place,
Speaker 1: But there it was again in a recent auction. Slabbed
Speaker 1: inside one of those holders, they put coins or valuable
Speaker 1: baseball cards in and complete with the historical evidence of
Speaker 1: the day they realized the mistake. Payee's name is crossed
Speaker 1: off the front facing card and frank pace trainer written
Speaker 1: in in grease pencil on a piece of Scotch tape
Speaker 1: near his head. In block letters, the backfacing card fared
Speaker 1: more poorly, still at the hand of the arkibist. The
Speaker 1: name has been crossed off and over the English bio
Speaker 1: is the word in red wrong, and over the French
Speaker 1: bio is the word player. Between these two copies of
Speaker 1: the same card in ordinary pencil, written vertically is the
Speaker 1: correct identification Frank Pace Trainer. The same vehement corrections had
Speaker 1: been made on the slabbed pages showing the gamble Moan's
Speaker 1: photo switch. So Pai Pace is just a proof card.
Speaker 1: That's the end of it. It never saw the light
Speaker 1: of day. It's curious, but in terms of the history
Speaker 1: of hockey cards, it doesn't mean all that much. Well, no,
Speaker 1: not really. As I said, I was in the filebinder room.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many different binders I was shown
Speaker 1: from how many different sports, from how many different sets.
Speaker 1: But I can tell you this with certainty. They did
Speaker 1: not use proof cards in the filebinders that I inspected.
Speaker 1: They used issued cards. That was the point. These were
Speaker 1: not records of cards they intended to sell but didn't.
Speaker 1: These were the official eternal files of all the cards
Speaker 1: they actually let loose into an unsuspecting world in case
Speaker 1: they had to prove it in court. Besides which, to
Speaker 1: make a filebinder out of proof cards, you would have
Speaker 1: had to take a proof sheet of the fronts and
Speaker 1: a proof sheet of the back and cut them up,
Speaker 1: probably by hand. This would take a long time. Trust me,
Speaker 1: I've done it as I mentioned earlier, and all the
Speaker 1: cards on those hockey binder sheets inside the slabs are
Speaker 1: meticulously and precisely cut, like they had been cut on
Speaker 1: a professional automated machine, not by hand by some TOPS employee.
Speaker 1: There's also nothing of what we call the glow oh
Speaker 1: that ether has always accompanied printers proofs, especially TOPS sports
Speaker 1: cards proofs. The proofs are shinier and clearer. They are
Speaker 1: first generation printings. They're not the later, fuzzier, flatter reproductions
Speaker 1: that appear on the cards in the packs. But the
Speaker 1: cards in the file binder page slabs look exactly like
Speaker 1: the issued nineteen sixty two sixty three TOPS hockey cards.
Speaker 1: They don't glow light proofs. They look a little fuzzy,
Speaker 1: a little flatter. Moreover, if you hold those slabbed sheets
Speaker 1: up to strong light, you get the barest hint of
Speaker 1: what is on the glued down side of each card,
Speaker 1: faintly visible on the other sides of the back facing
Speaker 1: cards like the one with Piez biography and the frantic
Speaker 1: wrong player correction, is a thin blue rectangle. That's all
Speaker 1: you can see looking through the back, A thin blue
Speaker 1: rectangle along the top and the side edges that matches
Speaker 1: the design of the front of the cards. I tested
Speaker 1: the opacity of the file binder page and the slab
Speaker 1: using all kinds of other cards, including some of the
Speaker 1: bright glowing orange backs of nineteen eighty eight TOPS Baseball.
Speaker 1: I rested those cards atop the slab, held everything up
Speaker 1: to a strong light, and you can't see anything except
Speaker 1: the shadow of the shape of the cards, but you
Speaker 1: could see the little blue suggesting that the card that
Speaker 1: had the back visible had the front glued, meaning these
Speaker 1: were issued cards. Now I would have to break the
Speaker 1: slab apart and peel these cards off their construction paper home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm still thinking about it. I'm conflicted.
Speaker 1: I'd have to do that to be certain, But I
Speaker 1: think those are issued cards glued on there, and I
Speaker 1: think TOPS caught its mistakes in time to pull all
Speaker 1: or nearly all copies of number sixty one. Marcel Payee oops,
Speaker 1: it's frank pace plus the gamble and the moans mistakes
Speaker 1: before they went into the packs, or maybe after they
Speaker 1: went into the packs. Maybe these cards were withdrawn, or
Speaker 1: maybe they were proof sheets used for the nineteen sixty
Speaker 1: two hockey binders that weren't blank backed. Tops did print
Speaker 1: complete proof sheets fronts, backs, bios, card numbers, cartoons in
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty nine and nineteen sixty But remember the thing
Speaker 1: in New London. All those sixty two sheets found in
Speaker 1: Connecticut were one sided, only hundreds and hundreds of fronts
Speaker 1: or backs, not both, And that would mean for the
Speaker 1: cards in the binders to have been proof sheets with
Speaker 1: backs on them. That would require TOPS to have printed
Speaker 1: only one sided nineteen sixty two baseball proof sheets and
Speaker 1: only one sided nineteen sixty two football proof sheets, and
Speaker 1: then one sided nineteen sixty two hockey proof sheets, and
Speaker 1: then for some reason also to print some two sided
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two hockey proof sheets.
Speaker 2: Just cause.
Speaker 1: I could easily be wrong. The fate rectangles I see
Speaker 1: could be big glue stains on blank backed or blank
Speaker 1: fronted proof cards. It makes no sense at all, but
Speaker 1: TOPS certainly could have printed two different kinds of proof
Speaker 1: sheets just that one time. This could just be my
Speaker 1: now ancient eyes playing tricks on me. This could be
Speaker 1: my nineteen eighty five brain cells and memory and wallet
Speaker 1: crying out for vengeance. It could all be wish fulfillment.
Speaker 1: Or they are unissued error cards that TOPS printed and destroyed,
Speaker 1: and a couple of them might be out there in
Speaker 1: somebody's collection because they might not have destroyed all of them.
Speaker 1: For now, I can only offer these postscripts. The next year,
Speaker 1: TOPS did not make the same mistake with the Hockey Immortal,
Speaker 1: who had inadvertently set this row of dominoes falling in
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two. They proudly made a nineteen sixty three
Speaker 1: sixty four card of Doug Harvey, whereupon Doug Harvey skipped
Speaker 1: the Rangers training camp and was sent down to the Miners.
Speaker 1: The card came out he wasn't on the Rangers. The
Speaker 1: year before he was on the Rangers, there was no card.
Speaker 1: Doug Harvey returned to New York for fourteen listless games,
Speaker 1: and then they said enough and they banished him to
Speaker 1: Quebec of the American Hockey League. He did not return
Speaker 1: to the National Hockey League until nineteen sixty six. Then,
Speaker 1: at the age of forty three, he exploded back into
Speaker 1: stardom as the ace defenseman of the first Saint Louis
Speaker 1: Blues team as it advanced to the nineteen sixty eight
Speaker 1: Stanley Cup Final against his old team, the Canadians. Opeachee,
Speaker 1: the TOPS affiliate in Canada, even made him card number
Speaker 1: one in its nineteen sixty eight sixty nine set, and
Speaker 1: just to add a little twist here, they used an
Speaker 1: image that is probably just a horizontally flipped version of
Speaker 1: the same photo that they used on his nineteen sixty
Speaker 1: three sixty four Rangers card. As to the other guy,
Speaker 1: Marcel Piee, he would finally get a real card of
Speaker 1: his own when TOPS got the rights to all six
Speaker 1: NHL teams in nineteen sixty four and celebrated with the
Speaker 1: beloved Tall Boys set cards that are basically twice as
Speaker 1: large as the ordinary sports card. Marcel Piee is number
Speaker 1: ninety two in the nineteen sixty four sixty five set.
Speaker 1: He is what we would call today a super short
Speaker 1: print an SSP, or maybe a super super super short
Speaker 1: print an SSSP. Especially to try to find it in
Speaker 1: good condition, It's a very valuable card for someone who
Speaker 1: was not, frankly a very valuable goalie. On the other hand,
Speaker 1: I have checked, I have double checked, I have triple checked.
Speaker 1: The guy shown on the nineteen sixty four to sixty
Speaker 1: five tops card of Marcel Paiee is actually surprisingly enough,
Speaker 1: Marcel Piee. I've done all the damage I can do here.
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Speaker 1: his name again, Pope Kamiski. The first everything else was,
Speaker 1: as ever my fault. That's countdown for today, Day one
Speaker 1: hundred and sixteen of America held hostage just three hundred
Speaker 1: and forty seven days until the scheduled end of his
Speaker 1: lane duck and lame brained term, unless Musk removes him sooner,
Speaker 1: or the actuarial tapes due, or we do. The next
Speaker 1: scheduled countdown is Monday. As always, bulletins as the news warrants,
Speaker 1: especially if they're about Marcel Payee or Frank Pace or
Speaker 1: Doug freaking Harvey. Remember Trump is laying the groundwork now
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