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Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. Somebody

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Speaker 1: up there is listening to me. I mean up there

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Speaker 1: in the ranks of the pollsters. We have the first

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Speaker 1: polling not on what I've been begging for, a hypothetical

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Speaker 1: presidential recall vote, but on the next best thing, a

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Speaker 1: presidential revote if the twenty twenty four election were held today.

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Speaker 1: Harris forty seven, Trump forty two among the same voters.

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Speaker 1: The first reliable midterm indicators. Democratic House candidates favored over

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Speaker 1: Republicans by six This is all from Elliott Morris, The

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Speaker 1: Last King of Five p. Thirty eight, for his new

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Speaker 1: site Strength in numbers done by Verisite polling and Trump's

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Speaker 1: interior numbers. Trump is not underwater, He's drowning. He is

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Speaker 1: sixteen points under on net approval, but on strongly approved

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Speaker 1: or disapproval. Strong net approval he's down by two to

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Speaker 1: one forty two percent strongly disapprove. The strongly approved number

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Speaker 1: is twenty one percent. That is half by individual policies.

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Speaker 1: Is the economy better now under Trump's decisions or was

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Speaker 1: it better last year under Biden's decisions? He's net minus

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Speaker 1: thirty four prices and inflation, He's at net minus thirty two,

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Speaker 1: tariffs and trade net minus twenty one, the Doge bullshit

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Speaker 1: minus sixteen, education net minus sixteen, immigration net minus two,

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Speaker 1: border security net plus ten. Until you go into specifics,

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Speaker 1: ask about sending all undocumented immigrants back to their home country,

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Speaker 1: and Trump gets that net plus ten. Then tell them

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Speaker 1: the Kilmar Abrego Garcia story and the other mistakes, or

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Speaker 1: the deliberate seizing of people who are here legally and

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Speaker 1: disappearing them anyway and refusing to bring them back, and

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Speaker 1: Trump's support collapses craters. Trump goes from plus sixteen to

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Speaker 1: minus four. He is underwater on disappearing.

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Speaker 2: Immigrants.

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Speaker 1: Bluntly speaking, were this Obama or Clinton or Carter, the

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Speaker 1: right wing meet would be demanding that the president either

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Speaker 1: fire his entire cabinet or resign his office. And just

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Speaker 1: when you thought you never wanted to hear another poll

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Speaker 1: goddamned number again. Harris by five if the election were

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Speaker 1: held today, Democrats by six. In the House midterms, Trump

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Speaker 1: approval net minus sixteen. Trump economic decisions net minus thirty four.

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Speaker 1: Trump renditions plus sixteen until you tell them the truth,

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Speaker 1: and then it drops twenty points. And yet they keep

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Speaker 1: digging on the kidnapping and the abuse and the erasure

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Speaker 1: of due process. A memo to Christy Nome, the dog

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Speaker 1: murdering sadist, the plasticized witch now serving as Trump's ilsa,

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Speaker 1: the she wolf of the SS. Even as your criminal gang,

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Speaker 1: posing as a government kidnapped Kilmara breg Garcia and renditioned

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Speaker 1: him and pretended he could not be brought back, even

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Speaker 1: after Trump said he could bring him back, Even as

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Speaker 1: your collection of criminal thugs lied about him and slandered

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Speaker 1: him and disseminated fabricated photographs of him. Even then, none

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Speaker 1: of you had the gall to accuse him or charge

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Speaker 1: him with terrorism. And then you know, in the House

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Speaker 1: of Representatives, as Democrat after Democrat tore you to shreds,

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Speaker 1: and Congressman Goldman in some respects avenged your daughter's puppy cricket,

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Speaker 1: you had the nerve to call mister Abrego Garcia a terrorist.

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Speaker 1: The terrorists here are those who disappeared Abrego Garcia, the

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Speaker 1: fiends without souls like Trump and Nome f you, which

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Speaker 1: if your continued advocacy for him were too.

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Speaker 3: I'm not advocating for him, I'm advocating for a court order,

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Speaker 3: Madam Secretary.

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Speaker 1: This the court order.

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Speaker 3: Says that you must take steps to follow the court order.

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Speaker 1: You are here under oath.

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Speaker 3: What steps have you taken to return mister Abrego Garcia

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Speaker 3: pursue it to this court order.

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Speaker 4: It's got to be extremely discouraging to be one of

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Speaker 4: your constituents. To see you fight for a terrorist like

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Speaker 3: I'm fighting for due process, and that's under the Constitution, gentlemen,

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Speaker 3: as you fight to hire process.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Congressman Goldman. So they had to submit a

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Speaker 1: a contempt charge from Judge Zennis. Had to do it

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Speaker 1: by Tuesday at three pm. They filed it under seal,

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Speaker 1: nothing about it that needs to be secret or sealed.

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Speaker 1: Afforded chance after chance to cure their breach of the

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Speaker 1: laws of the basic morality, they have refused. This will matter, Christyme,

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Speaker 1: Tom Holman, Donald Trump, during your trials and the trials

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Speaker 1: of the others four years from now, and in Abrago

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Speaker 1: Garcia's suits against you, each individually for millions of dollars.

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Speaker 1: There's another hearing in this case tomorrow, as Judge Zennis

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Speaker 1: a Trump appointee, Judge Stephanie Haynes of Pennsylvania, while becoming

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Speaker 1: and Trump's unconstitutional misuse of the Alien Enemies Act, even

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Speaker 1: three weeks of due process, three weeks at least. Even

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Speaker 1: a Trump stooge says this. Meanwhile, the Trump four hundred

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Speaker 1: million dollar flying bribe crisis is so bad even Chuck

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Speaker 1: Schumer has noticed. The Trump four hundred million dollar flying

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Speaker 1: bribe crisis is so bad even Politico wrote something almost

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Speaker 1: snarky and pithy about it Guitar Alago in response to

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Speaker 1: Trump taking the guitar bribe. Schumer has actually done one

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Speaker 1: few things McConnell or any of those evil bastards would

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Speaker 1: have done. He's placing holds on all Justice Department political appointees.

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Speaker 1: He should now have every Democratic senator call a hold

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Speaker 1: fast track through the Senate. Slow it all down, freeze them.

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Speaker 1: Politico at least acknowledged that everything else Trump is trying

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Speaker 1: to do in the Middle East has been dwarfed by

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Speaker 1: the four hundred million dollar flying bribe crisis, But as usual,

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Speaker 1: its primary presence its playbook newsletter drop the ball on

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Speaker 1: what those who are suffering from Maga disease have latched

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Speaker 1: onto as the whataboutest headline. By four h five am

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Speaker 1: Local time, Trump had taken to reposting comments comparing the

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Speaker 1: four hundred million dollar freebe luxury jet plane to France's

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Speaker 1: gift of the Statue of Liberty in eighteen eighty four,

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Speaker 1: unquote the end, Well, where's the rest of it? The

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Speaker 1: background on the statute and the enabling legislation, Where's that?

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Speaker 1: Or is Ann Coulter the newest editor of Politico Playbook.

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Speaker 2: Hell?

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Speaker 1: Everybody else in Washington has had a shot at that

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Speaker 1: job in the last six months since Ryan Liza blew

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Speaker 1: out about France's so called gift of the Statue of Liberty,

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Speaker 1: There is a reason that our shared alma mater leaves Anne.

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Speaker 1: That's Ann Coulter, Cornell eighty four off all of its

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Speaker 1: lists of alumni. She did not learn enough at Cornell

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Speaker 1: to even now go and google stuff, or go to

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Speaker 1: Wikipedia or ask a grown up. Unlike Trump's four hundred

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Speaker 1: million dollar Freebee luxury Jet, America only accepted the Statfatue

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Speaker 1: President Ulysses S. Grant signed that legislation. The joint resolution

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Speaker 1: eleven years and a month after the French first offered it.

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Speaker 1: If Trump wants to accept this four hundred million dollar

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Speaker 1: when this small detail that we only accepted the Statue

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Speaker 1: small detail appeared, those with Maga disease turned to the

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Speaker 1: Resolute Desk, the one in the Oval Office, the one

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Speaker 1: Trump thinks is called the Resolute desk because that means

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Speaker 1: that the Resolute Desk could also fly like the Statue

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Speaker 2: I did know.

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Speaker 1: That the ship Resolute was located and towed back to

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Speaker 1: Queen Victoria sent one of the desks to President Hayes.

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Speaker 2: As a thanks.

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Speaker 1: Technically, under naval salvage laws, the Resolute became American property

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Speaker 1: same thing as a four hundred million dollar flying bribe.

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Speaker 1: That's not the real question. The real question is how

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Speaker 1: is Trump's fault, and those with Maga disease have lost

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Speaker 1: enablers Lindsey Graham, Marco Rubio, every establishment Republican who traded

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Speaker 1: in Robert's case, the judicial system, and in Sealzburger's case,

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Speaker 1: it that in this country the rule of law is

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Speaker 1: now quote endangered, and that while he encourages criticism of

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Speaker 1: the Constitution. He has allowed them to trash all of

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Speaker 2: The papal election. The papal election was rigged.

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Speaker 1: Well, we know she can sink. I have mentioned before

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Speaker 1: here that I was dubious about her possible success at

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Speaker 1: MSNBC because she was too much of a saleswoman to doctrinaire,

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Speaker 1: too trained in burying the complex and selling the simple,

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Speaker 1: and right now having been the White House Press Secretary

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Speaker 1: for President Biden is not exactly the coin of the realm. Plus,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how many MSNBC shows I witnessed vanish

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Speaker 1: without a trace, even as we all knew beforehand they would.

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Speaker 1: But I did not think that Jensaki Show would be

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Speaker 1: in a death spiral by the middle of week two.

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Speaker 1: One million, two hundred thousand for her debut a week

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Speaker 1: ago Tuesday, good, one hundred and thirty nine thousand in

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Speaker 1: the advertiser's demo twenty five to fifty four good. Not

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Speaker 1: a guarantee of success, but pretty good. Hopeful the next

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Speaker 1: night down to a million viewers and a genuinely shocking

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Speaker 1: loss of fifty three percent of the younger audience down

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Speaker 1: to sixty six thousand of them for comparison, and I

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Speaker 1: know it's little green apples to big red apples. This

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Speaker 1: podcast now usually exceeds a total audience of one hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand per episode. And if your demo audience on TV

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Speaker 1: is smaller than my totalde audience on a podcast which

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Speaker 1: I record here in my suit closet, you're done. It

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Speaker 1: is possible Saki could have a future in a show

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Speaker 1: as one of eight or nine people like that thing

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Speaker 1: that is on against her at nine pm on CNN

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Speaker 1: that nobody watches, as well the Abby. We don't actually

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Speaker 1: put this political pie fight on TV. We just do

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Speaker 1: it to produce viral clips. Philip Hower. And if you'd

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Speaker 1: like even worse political media news, well, of course there's

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Speaker 1: ag Sealzberger in the hot dog suit. But also Semaphore

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Speaker 1: reports that a Democratic donor group called American Bridge held

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Speaker 1: a retreat with a goal of detoxifying the Democratic brand. Now,

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Speaker 1: if the brand really is toxic, it is toxic with

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Speaker 1: Democrats who are tired of their leaders going to retreats

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Speaker 1: rather than going to training camps at which they could

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Speaker 1: learn how to metaphorically break the MAGA disease carriers in

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Speaker 1: the House, in the Senate, on TV, and on the

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Speaker 1: goddamned campaign trail. If the brand really is toxic, why

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Speaker 1: that toxic loser atop the last Democratic toxic emergency toxic

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Speaker 1: ticket the polling just indicated would beat Trump today by

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Speaker 1: five points. Oh it's toxic. Oh we'd win the presidency

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Speaker 1: if the vote were today, Well, still toxic. I don't

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Speaker 1: make any money. If it's not toxic, who needs consultants?

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Speaker 1: If we would win, don't tell anybody about that poll.

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Speaker 1: This is not how democratic leaders see it. The Semaphore

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Speaker 1: report is that the American Bridge people paid some media

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Speaker 1: types to steer the Democrats forward to regain independence, which

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Speaker 1: is shorthand for let's burn the money, to try to

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Speaker 1: find ways to get people who voted for Trump to

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Speaker 1: be sane again. Among the people they paid money, Tim

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Speaker 1: Miller and Bill Crystal of the Bulwark that would be

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Speaker 1: Jeb Bush's communications director and Dan Quayle's chief of staff,

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Speaker 1: clearly lifelong Democrats. They asked Matt Iglesias, who is I

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Speaker 1: believe the current leading candidate to get this year's Chris

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Speaker 1: Solicit chair in both sides ism at the Chuck Todd

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Speaker 1: School of Broadcasting, and best of all, to show Democrats

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Speaker 1: exactly how to move forward and save democracy. American Bridge

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Speaker 1: paid an unnamed sum for a speech from that dedicated, principled, unswerving,

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Speaker 1: never wavering anti Trump warrior, Joe Scarborough. My sources say

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Speaker 1: Joe Scarborough told the group quote, we're all trying to

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Speaker 1: find a guy who did this and give him a spanking.

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Speaker 1: Please tell me, you didn't pay Joe Scarborough more than

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Speaker 1: twenty five dollars. Also of interest, here funniest dog gun

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Speaker 1: thing a White Sox fan. He's elected pope and five

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Speaker 1: days later, shoelessh Joe jackson of a White Sox suddenly

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Speaker 1: becomes eligible for the Baseball Hall of Fame. That's next.

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Speaker 1: This is countdown. This is countdown with Keith Olberman.

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Speaker 6: This is Sports Senate. Wait, check that not anymore. This

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Speaker 6: is countdown with Keith.

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Speaker 1: Olberman still ahead. You know which state has the crowns

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Speaker 1: democratic leaders? Mine does New York. Andrew Cuomo, who had

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Speaker 1: to resign as governor for well, you know, just just

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Speaker 1: pick any item on the menu of Skeezee is running

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Speaker 1: for mayor now, reportedly with the help of a mega

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Speaker 1: super pack. Isn't that special? Ahead in Worse Persons? First

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Speaker 1: from the Sportsball Central Center news desk tonight dateline, Cooperstown,

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Speaker 1: New York, to the seventeen baseball men who on Tuesday

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Speaker 1: suddenly found themselves no longer banned from baseball and no

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Speaker 1: longer banned, thus from the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown.

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Speaker 2: New York.

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Speaker 1: I've got good news and I've got bad news. The

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Speaker 1: good news is you are no longer banned, Pete Rose,

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Speaker 1: you are no longer banned, Shoelash, Joe Jackson, no longer banned,

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Speaker 1: Eddie Seacott and Buck Weaver, and even Benny Kauff. The

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Speaker 1: bad news is you're all still dead. The seventeen guys,

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Speaker 1: including all eight members of the infamous Black Sox White

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Speaker 1: Sox who threw or tried to throw, or took money

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Speaker 1: to throw, or knew about money being offered to throw

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Speaker 1: the nineteen nineteen World Series, and the former Phillies owner

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Speaker 1: who bet on baseball, William Cox, and Benny Kauff, who

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Speaker 1: won the batting championship of the Federal League both years

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Speaker 1: there was a Federal League, and several others become eligible

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Speaker 1: again when Baseball Commissioner Rob Manfred declared that if you're

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Speaker 1: on the permanently ineligible list and you're dead, poof, you're

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Speaker 1: no longer on the permanently ineligible list. He may have

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Speaker 1: done this because Trump told him too, for Pete Rose's sake.

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Speaker 1: I wish I were kidding talk about dead metaphorically or otherwise.

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Speaker 1: I have long had mixed feelings about all of them

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Speaker 1: on that list. Unlike my feelings about Rob Manfred metaphorically,

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of deceased in the brain. I thought

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Speaker 1: there should be echelon's at the Hall of Fame, including

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Speaker 1: an echelon for the guys whose skills were worthy but

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Speaker 1: whose conduct was not like Shoelish, Joe Jackson, Pete Rose,

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Speaker 1: Barry Bonds. Put them in the Hall of Fame, but

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Speaker 1: like you know, in a part that isn't well lit,

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Speaker 1: or they don't clean it every day or something. In

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Speaker 1: any event, I am a believer in mercy, but do

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Speaker 1: not kid yourself. This decision by Baseball ain't got nothing

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Speaker 1: to do with mercy. It has everything to do with

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Speaker 1: merch merchandise because the moment this was announced on Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: the value of all substantial Pete Rose memorabilia and all

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Speaker 1: Joe Jackson's stuff went up because they will probably now

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Speaker 1: go into the Hall of Fame in the next few years,

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Speaker 1: which means also guess what the Hall of Fame and

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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball can now sell with impunity. Yeah, Pete

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Speaker 1: Rose and Joe Jackson's stuff and still ahead on this

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Speaker 1: all new edition of Countdown. The greatest discovery of rare,

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Speaker 1: even unique sports trading cards took place forty years ago,

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Speaker 1: this summer inside the false ceiling of a wreck room

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Speaker 1: in a house in New London, Connecticut, and they called

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Speaker 1: of all people in as the expert me it was

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Speaker 1: like Aladdin cave in there, and I could have purchased

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Speaker 1: all of it, but I had because I was between jobs.

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Speaker 1: Two hundred dollars to my name. I have finally gotten

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Speaker 1: the key, the most intriguing, the most interesting of all

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Speaker 1: those cards, the one with the best imaginable backstory, which

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Speaker 1: I will tell next first, believe it or not, there

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Speaker 1: are still more new idiots to talk about. The roundup

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Speaker 1: of the miscreants, morons and Dunning Krueger effects specimens who

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Speaker 1: constitute the latest other worst persons in the world, the

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Speaker 1: brons worse. The Protein Puck Company of Boise, Idaho. As

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Speaker 1: a vegetarian, I have nothing against the product. It's described

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Speaker 1: as plant based energy, and it has a variety of

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Speaker 1: enticing flavors, and bluntly, it's better than eating something you

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Speaker 1: could probably train to be a loving pet. But that

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Speaker 1: name and that appearance and those sub brands, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's a hockey puck sized and shaped like massive seeds

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Speaker 1: and nuts and stuff. My friend paton Oswalt. We share

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Speaker 1: a birthday. We were in the first episode of BoJack

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Speaker 1: Horseman together. He's been a guest on my show. Patten

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Speaker 1: posted a photo of one the Wanderlust full size protein

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Speaker 1: puck and if you've ever seen the famous Charlton Heston

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Speaker 1: actually overacted more in this movie than he did in

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Speaker 1: the Planet of the Apes movie. The Citizen Kane of

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Speaker 1: over the top dystopian Flick's Soilent Green. You immediately thought

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Speaker 1: of one thing, and one thing only. Soilent Green, a

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Speaker 1: special flavor filled wafer given out just once a week

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Speaker 1: to a starving, overpopulated world of the future. Supposedly it

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Speaker 1: was made out of plankton, but in fact it was

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Speaker 1: made out of people. As Heston says in the movie

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Speaker 1: when he finds out and proves it, ocean's dying, Plankton's dying,

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Speaker 1: it's people.

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Speaker 2: Soil and green is made out of people. They're making

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Speaker 2: our food out of people. Next thing they'll be breeding

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Speaker 2: is like cattle for food.

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Speaker 1: You gotta tell them, you gotta tell them, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean protein bucks. It's goalies. Protein Bucks is made out

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Speaker 2: of hockey goalies.

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Speaker 1: They're making our food out of hockey people. Okay, they're not.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's a joke. It's just what I thought of.

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Speaker 1: But seriously, maybe you want to tweak.

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Speaker 2: The name or the shape or I don't know. I

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Speaker 2: like the idea. I might eat one, but.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Thinking about all those former New York

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Speaker 1: Rangers defense prospects, the runner up worser goalie Sheikh Holslami,

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Speaker 1: the chief executive of Politico. Politico, outside of like Fox News,

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Speaker 1: might be the journalistic outlet which most thinks it's a ten,

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Speaker 1: when it's actually about a two, maybe a one and

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Speaker 1: a half. Politico is in the log rolling business, not

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Speaker 1: the news business. You have something to promote, go there.

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Speaker 1: You have something to leak, you go there. You have

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Speaker 1: something you want your committee to approve.

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Speaker 2: You go there.

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Speaker 1: It's in the spotted business listing which D list reporters attended,

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Speaker 1: which D list parties at the C list events after

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Speaker 1: the C list White House Correspondence dinner. This is where

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Speaker 1: Ryan Lizza worked, where Steven Miller could threaten to suspend

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Speaker 1: Habeas Corpus. But in the first newsletter of the New

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Speaker 1: Business Week, Politico wouldn't mention that fact. But it did

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Speaker 1: find room that day for the list of the birthdays

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Speaker 1: of congressional staffers. They asked Miss Shaikoslami about the new

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Speaker 1: world of high profile independent reporting, newsletters, podcasts, platforms in

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Speaker 1: which former mainstream news stalwarts now act independently like you

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Speaker 1: know here in Paradise. She dismissed the entirety of the field, quote,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say we're in the same business. Politico serves

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Speaker 1: a very specific audience that relies on us, not just

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Speaker 1: for insight, but real time intelligence tools. We have six

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Speaker 1: hundred political and policy journalists worldwide. That's hard to replicate bullshit.

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Speaker 1: Politico is the same place that hired a writer I

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Speaker 1: will not call her a reporter named Dasha Burns. Hired

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Speaker 1: her away from NBC, where the night before a Republican debate,

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Speaker 1: she let two Trump goons buy her and others dinner

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Speaker 1: while they mocked the other candidates at the debate. They

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Speaker 1: made Burns Politico did their White House Bureau chief, and

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Speaker 1: not long after she went out and nominally appeared at

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Speaker 1: Sea Pack you know, Nazi Con. She appeared on stage

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Speaker 1: at Seapack. Not only on stage at Sea Pack, but

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Speaker 1: as the Seapack interviewer of the Ridiculous trumpster Rit Grennell,

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Speaker 1: she's an official component of an outfit that wants to

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Speaker 1: end democracy as we know it. But even if it didn't,

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Speaker 1: even if it were the Democratic Purity Conference where the

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Speaker 1: Keith Olberman fan Club annual dinner dance, how after you

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Speaker 1: appear on stage doing an interview for it as part

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Speaker 1: of it, how are you still a reporter after that?

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Speaker 1: The answer is you're not. The head of Politico is

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Speaker 1: right in a way about all us independence out here.

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Speaker 1: We are independent, independent, We are not compromised. We are

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Speaker 1: not reduced like ms Burns, like Politico, to be stenographers

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Speaker 1: and publicists without any standards. Speaking of which our winner

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Speaker 1: worst and Drew Cuomo, the disgraced, the multiple disgrace award

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Speaker 1: winning former governor of New York COVID women a kind

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Speaker 1: of conspiracy with his brother, the equally disgraced ex newscaster,

641
00:47:31,195 --> 00:47:33,875
Speaker 1: not doing the job well, pretty much the complete set

642
00:47:33,915 --> 00:47:36,995
Speaker 1: of bad. Evidently, mister Cuomo has looked at the New

643
00:47:37,075 --> 00:47:39,155
Speaker 1: York City mayor's race and the list of recent New

644
00:47:39,235 --> 00:47:42,195
Speaker 1: York City mayors and said, Hey, I'm bad enough to

645
00:47:42,195 --> 00:47:46,195
Speaker 1: hold that job. He's running for the office as a

646
00:47:46,235 --> 00:47:49,555
Speaker 1: Democrat in the primary, possibly because He wants to make

647
00:47:49,595 --> 00:47:53,035
Speaker 1: current Mayor Eric Adams, who is a Republican sheep in

648
00:47:53,075 --> 00:47:57,115
Speaker 1: sheep's clothing, and Adam's predecessor, Bill de Blasio, a well

649
00:47:57,155 --> 00:48:01,715
Speaker 1: intentioned but panoramically incompetent administrator. He wants to make the

650
00:48:01,755 --> 00:48:04,835
Speaker 1: both of them look better. Cuomo just hit a kind

651
00:48:04,835 --> 00:48:07,555
Speaker 1: of speed bump though, that not only underscored his own

652
00:48:07,715 --> 00:48:10,475
Speaker 1: lack of standards, but revealed the truth that while he

653
00:48:10,555 --> 00:48:14,155
Speaker 1: may be running as a Democrat, he ain't a Democrat.

654
00:48:14,755 --> 00:48:16,675
Speaker 1: He was supposed to get six hundred and twenty two

655
00:48:16,795 --> 00:48:20,635
Speaker 1: thousand and fifty six dollars in matching funds for his

656
00:48:20,715 --> 00:48:23,755
Speaker 1: mayoralty campaign. That's what we do here, We give out

657
00:48:23,795 --> 00:48:26,995
Speaker 1: matching funds. But his gang apparently screwed up the filing

658
00:48:27,035 --> 00:48:31,235
Speaker 1: instructions about its relationships with other groups trying to funnel

659
00:48:31,235 --> 00:48:34,435
Speaker 1: money into all the campaigns, and the city Elections Board

660
00:48:34,875 --> 00:48:38,275
Speaker 1: docked his campaign that money. He still gets about a

661
00:48:38,275 --> 00:48:40,115
Speaker 1: million and a half, but he was supposed to get

662
00:48:40,155 --> 00:48:43,475
Speaker 1: about two point one million. No, six hundred and twenty

663
00:48:43,475 --> 00:48:46,555
Speaker 1: two thousand and fifty six bucks for you, mister Cuomo,

664
00:48:47,515 --> 00:48:51,115
Speaker 1: and limiting his expenditures by the same amount, all because

665
00:48:51,435 --> 00:48:56,315
Speaker 1: he potentially coordinated with a group called Fix the City NYC,

666
00:48:56,955 --> 00:49:01,555
Speaker 1: which has flooded the internet with demands that Cuomo become

667
00:49:01,595 --> 00:49:06,195
Speaker 1: the next mayor. And who exactly is Fix the City NYC?

668
00:49:06,755 --> 00:49:10,075
Speaker 1: According to New York State Assemblymen Zora and Mamdani, also

669
00:49:10,155 --> 00:49:15,035
Speaker 1: running from mayor, it's a quote Maga funded super pack.

670
00:49:16,115 --> 00:49:19,315
Speaker 1: So Cuomo wants to be elected the Democratic mayor of

671
00:49:19,355 --> 00:49:24,715
Speaker 1: New York with the help of Maga Andrew. If there

672
00:49:24,795 --> 00:49:28,435
Speaker 1: was anything corrupt left to do, he just did it.

673
00:49:28,995 --> 00:49:35,755
Speaker 1: Andrew Maga Cuomo two days other worst worth.

674
00:49:35,715 --> 00:49:38,835
Speaker 6: In the world.

675
00:49:49,635 --> 00:49:51,835
Speaker 1: To the number one story on the countdown, and there

676
00:49:51,915 --> 00:49:55,715
Speaker 1: is an excellent chance you're about to hit stop. That's okay,

677
00:49:56,435 --> 00:49:58,395
Speaker 1: but if you do, you will miss a pretty good

678
00:49:58,435 --> 00:50:01,635
Speaker 1: story of what happens when one of the greatest athletes

679
00:50:01,635 --> 00:50:06,595
Speaker 1: of his generation has undiagnosed bipole hilarity, and what happens

680
00:50:06,595 --> 00:50:09,315
Speaker 1: when you hit that magical moment of which every investor

681
00:50:09,875 --> 00:50:13,715
Speaker 1: or collector dreams. You have found that priceless needle in

682
00:50:13,755 --> 00:50:16,955
Speaker 1: the haystack, and you do not even have the money

683
00:50:16,995 --> 00:50:20,275
Speaker 1: with which to buy a piece of the hey let

684
00:50:20,355 --> 00:50:24,315
Speaker 1: alone the whole haystack. I've had a good run lately

685
00:50:24,755 --> 00:50:28,235
Speaker 1: in my main hobby of my life, finding those pieces

686
00:50:28,235 --> 00:50:31,595
Speaker 1: of sports memorabilia I've been looking for, in some cases,

687
00:50:31,635 --> 00:50:35,475
Speaker 1: looking for for half a century, nineteen ninety Louisville slugger

688
00:50:35,555 --> 00:50:39,555
Speaker 1: glove tag Eric Davis, where he's listed as an outfielder,

689
00:50:39,675 --> 00:50:43,315
Speaker 1: not as outfield. Only a few copies exist. I suddenly

690
00:50:43,315 --> 00:50:46,515
Speaker 1: found three of them. Turns out there are two different versions,

691
00:50:46,955 --> 00:50:51,755
Speaker 1: a variety upon a variety. I just traded around three

692
00:50:51,835 --> 00:50:55,475
Speaker 1: hundred nineteen hundred and seven British soccer cards for one

693
00:50:55,635 --> 00:50:59,755
Speaker 1: really scarce nineteen ten British football card number forty five

694
00:51:00,075 --> 00:51:04,955
Speaker 1: David dy Jones of Mirth might be a unique car card.

695
00:51:05,595 --> 00:51:07,675
Speaker 1: And while I'm still looking for the nineteen sixty seven

696
00:51:07,715 --> 00:51:11,115
Speaker 1: Tops baseball proof card of number four eighty seven Tommy

697
00:51:11,155 --> 00:51:15,635
Speaker 1: Reynolds with his name spelled wrong Tommy, which I could

698
00:51:15,635 --> 00:51:17,995
Speaker 1: have bought at an auction in nineteen eighty nine, but

699
00:51:18,035 --> 00:51:21,635
Speaker 1: I got scared when it got up to one thousand dollars.

700
00:51:22,435 --> 00:51:25,355
Speaker 1: If you have one, let me know. I finally have

701
00:51:25,515 --> 00:51:31,035
Speaker 1: landed the infamous Tops hockey card of Marcel Piee that

702
00:51:31,075 --> 00:51:34,475
Speaker 1: they fixed because it doesn't show Marcel Piee, it shows

703
00:51:34,795 --> 00:51:40,035
Speaker 1: Frank Pace. That's the story right there, and what it

704
00:51:40,155 --> 00:51:42,995
Speaker 1: leads to is this. I'm pretty sure that there are

705
00:51:43,195 --> 00:51:48,235
Speaker 1: three unissued error cards that the TOPS company printed then

706
00:51:48,315 --> 00:51:51,715
Speaker 1: withdrew from its nineteen sixty two to sixty three hockey set.

707
00:51:52,235 --> 00:51:55,755
Speaker 1: Whether any of them, like the Piee Pacee got job,

708
00:51:56,075 --> 00:51:58,355
Speaker 1: ever got into the packs of hockey cards so the

709
00:51:58,435 --> 00:52:00,835
Speaker 1: kids could buy them, I can't say, but based on

710
00:52:00,955 --> 00:52:04,075
Speaker 1: the TOPS production methods, I'm pretty sure they could have

711
00:52:04,075 --> 00:52:07,115
Speaker 1: gotten into the packs. They might have been issued, they

712
00:52:07,155 --> 00:52:11,275
Speaker 1: might have been withdrawn. The scarcest of all varieties in

713
00:52:11,355 --> 00:52:15,195
Speaker 1: sports cards, there's number three Bruce cam Gamble, which has

714
00:52:15,195 --> 00:52:18,235
Speaker 1: a photo of Doug Mons, and number six Doug Moans,

715
00:52:18,275 --> 00:52:21,795
Speaker 1: which has a photo of Bruce Gamble, and especially number

716
00:52:21,835 --> 00:52:26,195
Speaker 1: sixty one Marcel Piee with Piee's name and position on

717
00:52:26,235 --> 00:52:28,795
Speaker 1: the front and Piee's biography on the back. But the

718
00:52:28,795 --> 00:52:32,035
Speaker 1: photo is not pie but rather the trainer of the

719
00:52:32,075 --> 00:52:35,515
Speaker 1: New York Rangers, Frank pace the guy with all the

720
00:52:35,635 --> 00:52:40,435
Speaker 1: tape who gives you the rubdowns. These have been categorized

721
00:52:40,515 --> 00:52:44,435
Speaker 1: dismissed even as proof cards, preliminary cards that were corrected

722
00:52:44,435 --> 00:52:47,275
Speaker 1: before the set was printed, cards that were never supposed

723
00:52:47,275 --> 00:52:51,315
Speaker 1: to leave the office. I don't think so, and why

724
00:52:51,435 --> 00:52:55,195
Speaker 1: I don't think so requires a lot of backstory. I

725
00:52:55,315 --> 00:52:58,955
Speaker 1: first bumped into this small scale mystery as an unknown

726
00:52:59,035 --> 00:53:02,355
Speaker 1: but curious ten year old kid after my folks bought

727
00:53:02,355 --> 00:53:04,955
Speaker 1: me the nineteen sixty two sixty three hockey set as

728
00:53:04,995 --> 00:53:09,355
Speaker 1: a Christmas present. That's what Christmas was like for my folks.

729
00:53:10,355 --> 00:53:13,755
Speaker 1: That era's TOPS hockey cards showed only players from the

730
00:53:13,795 --> 00:53:16,795
Speaker 1: Boston Bruins, Chicago Blackhawks, and the New York Rangers. The

731
00:53:16,835 --> 00:53:20,955
Speaker 1: three Canadian teams and Detroit belonged to another company, Parkhurst.

732
00:53:21,595 --> 00:53:23,795
Speaker 1: It quickly struck me, even at age ten, that there

733
00:53:23,835 --> 00:53:27,955
Speaker 1: was something wrong with the personnel selections Tops made for

734
00:53:28,035 --> 00:53:31,195
Speaker 1: the New York Rangers. In that set, the cards were

735
00:53:31,275 --> 00:53:35,115
Speaker 1: numbered ordered by team, and within each team by position.

736
00:53:35,595 --> 00:53:38,875
Speaker 1: The Boston Bruins are numbers one through twenty two, the

737
00:53:39,035 --> 00:53:41,955
Speaker 1: Blackhawks or number twenty three through forty four, and each

738
00:53:42,115 --> 00:53:46,675
Speaker 1: started with the coach, then two goalies, then the defenseman,

739
00:53:47,075 --> 00:53:49,875
Speaker 1: then the forwards, then the picture of the team. But

740
00:53:49,955 --> 00:53:53,115
Speaker 1: the New York Rangers cards number forty five through sixty five,

741
00:53:54,075 --> 00:53:56,795
Speaker 1: there was no card of the coach. There was only

742
00:53:56,875 --> 00:54:02,035
Speaker 1: one goalie, not two, and incongruously, Frank Pace the team's

743
00:54:02,155 --> 00:54:05,315
Speaker 1: trainer when the cards originally came out in nineteen two.

744
00:54:05,795 --> 00:54:08,515
Speaker 1: Still the trainer when I obtained my set in nineteen

745
00:54:08,595 --> 00:54:11,595
Speaker 1: sixty nine. Still the trainer when I came home from

746
00:54:11,875 --> 00:54:15,755
Speaker 1: Easter break as a sophomore in college. Frank Pace is

747
00:54:15,755 --> 00:54:20,435
Speaker 1: in that set. Pick any of those junctures I just mentioned,

748
00:54:20,715 --> 00:54:24,475
Speaker 1: and it never made any sense. No card of the coach,

749
00:54:25,355 --> 00:54:28,475
Speaker 1: one goalie, not two, A card of the trainer. Who

750
00:54:28,515 --> 00:54:32,795
Speaker 1: the hell wants a card of a trainer? My focus

751
00:54:32,835 --> 00:54:34,915
Speaker 1: as a kid was trying to figure out why there

752
00:54:34,995 --> 00:54:38,515
Speaker 1: was no coach card. Future Hall of Famer Doug Harvey

753
00:54:38,795 --> 00:54:41,475
Speaker 1: had come in from the Montreal Canadians to become the

754
00:54:41,595 --> 00:54:45,395
Speaker 1: Rangers player coach, the NHL's last player coach to make

755
00:54:45,435 --> 00:54:47,555
Speaker 1: it through a full season, by the way, and frankly,

756
00:54:47,835 --> 00:54:50,595
Speaker 1: in the nineteen sixty one sixty two season he killed it.

757
00:54:50,955 --> 00:54:53,275
Speaker 1: He led the Rangers to the playoffs for the first

758
00:54:53,315 --> 00:54:56,875
Speaker 1: time in four years. He was named first team All Star.

759
00:54:57,195 --> 00:54:59,915
Speaker 1: He won the Norris Trophy as the top defenseman in

760
00:54:59,955 --> 00:55:03,035
Speaker 1: the league. If there had been an award for top coach,

761
00:55:03,075 --> 00:55:05,355
Speaker 1: he would have won that two He had a three

762
00:55:05,435 --> 00:55:09,235
Speaker 1: year deal at twenty five thousand dollars a year to

763
00:55:09,395 --> 00:55:11,955
Speaker 1: play and coach for the team, and observers figured that

764
00:55:11,995 --> 00:55:14,955
Speaker 1: by succeeding so well in his first year, he had

765
00:55:14,995 --> 00:55:19,155
Speaker 1: cleared the highest hurdle with flying Colors. If anything was

766
00:55:19,195 --> 00:55:21,795
Speaker 1: going to change for the nineteen sixty two sixty three season,

767
00:55:21,955 --> 00:55:25,235
Speaker 1: it was assumed, and Harvey even hinted that, approaching his

768
00:55:25,435 --> 00:55:28,635
Speaker 1: thirty eighth birthday, Harvey would retire as a player and

769
00:55:28,715 --> 00:55:32,275
Speaker 1: just coach the team. Some of Harvey's old teammates with

770
00:55:32,315 --> 00:55:35,235
Speaker 1: the Montreal Canadians thought Harvey might even wind up as

771
00:55:35,315 --> 00:55:42,275
Speaker 1: coach and general manager and player instead. On June fourth,

772
00:55:42,355 --> 00:55:46,355
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two, about two months after the Rangers lost

773
00:55:46,395 --> 00:55:52,275
Speaker 1: their playoff series, Doug Harvey quit as coach. Days later,

774
00:55:52,595 --> 00:55:54,675
Speaker 1: he said he also would not return to the Rangers

775
00:55:54,715 --> 00:55:58,195
Speaker 1: as just a player, and he was in fact retiring

776
00:55:58,235 --> 00:56:02,235
Speaker 1: from hockey. The Rangers kept both their coaching job and

777
00:56:02,355 --> 00:56:05,875
Speaker 1: Harvey's spot on their roster open ontil August twenty second,

778
00:56:05,915 --> 00:56:08,795
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two, when they talked him back as a

779
00:56:08,835 --> 00:56:12,595
Speaker 1: player only for what was then a record salary of

780
00:56:12,675 --> 00:56:16,355
Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars a year, maybe thirty five thousand dollars.

781
00:56:17,075 --> 00:56:20,555
Speaker 1: On August thirty, they announced that general manager muzz Patrick,

782
00:56:20,675 --> 00:56:22,915
Speaker 1: who had just given Harvey at least a five thousand

783
00:56:22,995 --> 00:56:26,795
Speaker 1: dollars rais to do a lot less work. Muz would

784
00:56:26,795 --> 00:56:29,675
Speaker 1: coach the team with the assistance of former Rangers goalie

785
00:56:29,715 --> 00:56:33,635
Speaker 1: Amiel Francis. The smart money was on Patrick spending an

786
00:56:33,755 --> 00:56:37,075
Speaker 1: undetermined period of the season ahead trying to talk Harvey

787
00:56:37,115 --> 00:56:40,435
Speaker 1: into becoming coach again, and if he decided he had

788
00:56:40,475 --> 00:56:44,235
Speaker 1: failed to officially resign and make Amael Francis the full

789
00:56:44,275 --> 00:56:47,875
Speaker 1: time coach. And on December twenty eighth, nineteen sixty two,

790
00:56:47,995 --> 00:56:51,555
Speaker 1: muzz Patrick gave up his pursuit of Harvey. He resigned

791
00:56:51,595 --> 00:56:56,555
Speaker 1: his coach and named as his own successor George Red Sullivan.

792
00:56:58,195 --> 00:56:58,515
Speaker 2: Well.

793
00:56:58,595 --> 00:57:02,595
Speaker 1: Needless to say, this completely screwed up the hockey card

794
00:57:02,635 --> 00:57:06,835
Speaker 1: preparations at the TOPS company. The deadline to finalize the

795
00:57:06,875 --> 00:57:09,915
Speaker 1: set looks to have been around mid September nineteen sixty two.

796
00:57:10,155 --> 00:57:12,635
Speaker 1: We can conclude this by the fact that Tops did

797
00:57:12,675 --> 00:57:15,795
Speaker 1: not touch Harvey with a ten foot pole. It did

798
00:57:15,835 --> 00:57:18,475
Speaker 1: not make any card of any kind of Doug Harvey,

799
00:57:18,675 --> 00:57:21,155
Speaker 1: but it did make a card of a veteran player

800
00:57:21,235 --> 00:57:24,075
Speaker 1: named Bert Olmsted, who had been obtained by the New

801
00:57:24,155 --> 00:57:28,755
Speaker 1: York Rangers in the summer draft. Olmsted retired from hockey

802
00:57:28,995 --> 00:57:32,275
Speaker 1: during training camp on September twentieth, but he's still in

803
00:57:32,355 --> 00:57:37,035
Speaker 1: the set, so that means they published them before September twentieth.

804
00:57:37,075 --> 00:57:38,835
Speaker 1: Otherwise they would have gotten rid of him. Hell, they

805
00:57:38,835 --> 00:57:41,755
Speaker 1: got rid of Doug Harvey. Tops didn't know if Harvey

806
00:57:41,755 --> 00:57:44,715
Speaker 1: would be player coach or just coach or just player

807
00:57:44,915 --> 00:57:47,235
Speaker 1: or none of the above, so they left him out

808
00:57:47,995 --> 00:57:51,275
Speaker 1: as if more uncertainty were needed. Doug Harvey broke a

809
00:57:51,355 --> 00:57:55,915
Speaker 1: knuckle in early September diagramming a football play on a blackboard.

810
00:57:56,675 --> 00:57:59,235
Speaker 1: It looked like he would be in the Rangers opening

811
00:57:59,315 --> 00:58:03,795
Speaker 1: night roster, but given his reputation for being erratic, somebody

812
00:58:04,475 --> 00:58:09,355
Speaker 1: made new for sure, but probably nobody did, probably not

813
00:58:09,395 --> 00:58:13,755
Speaker 1: even Doug Harvey. Later his reputation turned out to be

814
00:58:13,835 --> 00:58:19,075
Speaker 1: one part bipolarity and one part self medicating his bipolarity

815
00:58:19,115 --> 00:58:23,675
Speaker 1: with alcohol. Anyway, it looked like Muzz Patrick was the coach,

816
00:58:23,715 --> 00:58:25,515
Speaker 1: but would that still be the case when the cards

817
00:58:25,555 --> 00:58:28,115
Speaker 1: came out. It looked like Emil Francis would eventually be

818
00:58:28,195 --> 00:58:31,475
Speaker 1: the coach, but when turned out, he became the coach

819
00:58:31,515 --> 00:58:35,595
Speaker 1: after Sullivan washed out in nineteen sixty six, four years later,

820
00:58:36,315 --> 00:58:40,275
Speaker 1: but the Defcon one level confusion still would not explain

821
00:58:40,515 --> 00:58:43,715
Speaker 1: why TOPS had decided to make a card of the

822
00:58:43,795 --> 00:58:49,035
Speaker 1: trainer instead of a coach, any coach. Yet there he

823
00:58:49,195 --> 00:58:57,235
Speaker 1: was number sixty one Frank Pace Trainer, New York Rangers. Well,

824
00:58:57,275 --> 00:58:59,195
Speaker 1: from the time I first saw this card, it only

825
00:58:59,195 --> 00:59:05,155
Speaker 1: bothered me for the next fifteen years. To that point,

826
00:59:05,435 --> 00:59:07,555
Speaker 1: in early nineteen eighty five, I wrote a couple of

827
00:59:07,595 --> 00:59:11,795
Speaker 1: pieces about TOPS proof cards. Those, as I mentioned before,

828
00:59:11,915 --> 00:59:15,115
Speaker 1: the original drafts of the cards that were published, just

829
00:59:15,115 --> 00:59:17,595
Speaker 1: to see if the colors were right, the names were right,

830
00:59:17,755 --> 00:59:20,555
Speaker 1: or the photos were right or wrong and were never

831
00:59:20,595 --> 00:59:23,555
Speaker 1: supposed to leave the TOPS office. I published this for

832
00:59:23,875 --> 00:59:27,675
Speaker 1: Baseball Cards Magazine, mostly to pass the time as I

833
00:59:27,715 --> 00:59:30,275
Speaker 1: waited to move from New York to Los Angeles to

834
00:59:30,355 --> 00:59:33,115
Speaker 1: take up a job as the sports director and sportscaster

835
00:59:33,475 --> 00:59:36,835
Speaker 1: on Channel five there. I was kind of a player

836
00:59:36,915 --> 00:59:40,795
Speaker 1: coach too, anyway. Just weeks before my move, at the

837
00:59:40,875 --> 00:59:43,555
Speaker 1: end of August, I was contacted by a man in

838
00:59:43,595 --> 00:59:46,315
Speaker 1: New London, Connecticut, who said he and his friend had

839
00:59:46,315 --> 00:59:49,555
Speaker 1: been remodeling the friend's wreck room there and in the

840
00:59:49,595 --> 00:59:53,875
Speaker 1: ceiling they had discovered a lot, a lot, as in

841
00:59:53,995 --> 00:59:58,915
Speaker 1: hundreds of what he believed were TOPS proof sheets, and

842
00:59:59,035 --> 01:00:01,835
Speaker 1: the same day one of them saw the magazine with

843
01:00:01,915 --> 01:00:05,715
Speaker 1: my article about TOPS proofs at a new stand somewhere.

844
01:00:06,115 --> 01:00:09,035
Speaker 1: Could I come up to New London and evaluate things

845
01:00:09,115 --> 01:00:12,675
Speaker 1: for them, they'd reimburse me, Which is how I happened

846
01:00:12,715 --> 01:00:16,715
Speaker 1: upon the greatest find of proof sheets ever, not counting

847
01:00:17,075 --> 01:00:21,755
Speaker 1: the auction Tops ran emptying its warehouse four years later.

848
01:00:22,675 --> 01:00:26,555
Speaker 1: And of course I happened upon this, this gold mine,

849
01:00:27,115 --> 01:00:30,075
Speaker 1: when I had not worked in literally ten months, was

850
01:00:30,115 --> 01:00:32,475
Speaker 1: taking care of my family. I was going to have

851
01:00:32,515 --> 01:00:35,475
Speaker 1: to borrow the money from my kid's sister to get

852
01:00:35,515 --> 01:00:38,755
Speaker 1: on the bus to go to JFK Airport to get

853
01:00:38,755 --> 01:00:40,035
Speaker 1: to LA for.

854
01:00:40,115 --> 01:00:40,915
Speaker 2: My new job.

855
01:00:42,075 --> 01:00:46,435
Speaker 1: Thanks Jen, What these men had up there in New London,

856
01:00:46,475 --> 01:00:51,715
Speaker 1: Connecticut was simply all but approximately one of all the

857
01:00:51,835 --> 01:00:55,755
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two TOPS Baseball, Tops Football and Tops hockey

858
01:00:55,875 --> 01:00:59,355
Speaker 1: uncut sheets and the aluminum plates from which they were

859
01:00:59,355 --> 01:01:02,635
Speaker 1: printed that you have ever seen or that have ever

860
01:01:02,675 --> 01:01:07,395
Speaker 1: been for sale in the last forty years. They literally

861
01:01:07,795 --> 01:01:13,075
Speaker 1: fell out of this guy's ceiling. The Tops National Football

862
01:01:13,155 --> 01:01:16,315
Speaker 1: League proofs with the wrong player's photo on card after card.

863
01:01:16,675 --> 01:01:19,915
Speaker 1: They were in there. The Baseball All Star cards where

864
01:01:19,955 --> 01:01:23,355
Speaker 1: there was no positions printed, including the Mickey Mantle didn't

865
01:01:23,355 --> 01:01:27,235
Speaker 1: say outfield. They were in there. The photos from the

866
01:01:27,275 --> 01:01:29,835
Speaker 1: second series of the nineteen fifty nine set, including of

867
01:01:29,915 --> 01:01:33,835
Speaker 1: Sandy Kofax, printed for some reason without borders or names

868
01:01:33,915 --> 01:01:37,355
Speaker 1: or anything. They were in there. The nineteen sixty two

869
01:01:37,355 --> 01:01:40,035
Speaker 1: tops card of Don Zimmer listing him with the Mets,

870
01:01:40,035 --> 01:01:43,115
Speaker 1: not the Reds. They were in there, all of them.

871
01:01:43,675 --> 01:01:47,755
Speaker 1: Full color sheets, one color sheets, two color sheets, three

872
01:01:47,835 --> 01:01:53,395
Speaker 1: color sheets, front sheets, back sheets. How how how I

873
01:01:53,435 --> 01:01:57,035
Speaker 1: remember now? The guy I bought the house from, he

874
01:01:57,115 --> 01:01:59,395
Speaker 1: used to work at the printers in town. He told

875
01:01:59,395 --> 01:02:04,755
Speaker 1: me this room had extra insulation. They were using the

876
01:02:04,835 --> 01:02:08,995
Speaker 1: card sheets that the company the guy worked for throw away.

877
01:02:09,475 --> 01:02:17,195
Speaker 1: They were using them as insulation insulation, even though a

878
01:02:17,195 --> 01:02:20,195
Speaker 1: lot of the aluminum printing plates had rusted and in

879
01:02:20,195 --> 01:02:23,395
Speaker 1: some cases that had stained some of the sheets. I

880
01:02:23,555 --> 01:02:27,235
Speaker 1: estimated what they had was worth at least six figures

881
01:02:27,755 --> 01:02:32,875
Speaker 1: maybe seven forty years ago. They thanked me by letting

882
01:02:32,915 --> 01:02:36,795
Speaker 1: me buy one sheet of my choice at way below value.

883
01:02:37,235 --> 01:02:39,995
Speaker 1: I took the baseball sheet with the most variations on

884
01:02:40,035 --> 01:02:42,995
Speaker 1: it from the issued cards those all stars without positions,

885
01:02:42,995 --> 01:02:45,795
Speaker 1: including Mantle and the Zimmer with the Mets and a

886
01:02:45,795 --> 01:02:49,875
Speaker 1: few others, And they only took my last two hundred dollars.

887
01:02:51,155 --> 01:02:52,835
Speaker 1: They gave me the money to go home on the

888
01:02:52,875 --> 01:02:57,275
Speaker 1: train extra. Even with that, I had to cut that

889
01:02:57,435 --> 01:03:01,235
Speaker 1: sheet up to split the cost with a fellow proof

890
01:03:01,315 --> 01:03:06,755
Speaker 1: collector who had a similarly microscopic bank account. My second

891
01:03:06,875 --> 01:03:09,995
Speaker 1: choice out of all these sheets, and there were literally

892
01:03:10,075 --> 01:03:13,595
Speaker 1: hundreds of them, happened to be the sheet on which

893
01:03:13,675 --> 01:03:17,435
Speaker 1: was printed the nineteen sixty two sixty three tops Hockey set.

894
01:03:17,515 --> 01:03:21,155
Speaker 1: The proof sheet, and the proof sheet had just explained

895
01:03:21,155 --> 01:03:25,275
Speaker 1: this whole thing about Doug Harvey, besides the quaint switch

896
01:03:25,315 --> 01:03:28,955
Speaker 1: of the photos of Bruins players gamble and moans. There

897
01:03:29,555 --> 01:03:32,995
Speaker 1: he was top row, third from the right, the Rangers

898
01:03:33,275 --> 01:03:37,355
Speaker 1: hand out photo of their trainer Frank Pace, faintly smiling

899
01:03:37,435 --> 01:03:41,235
Speaker 1: up at me from the sheet, Except that card did

900
01:03:41,275 --> 01:03:45,635
Speaker 1: not identify him as Frank Pace. It called him Marcel Payee,

901
01:03:46,515 --> 01:03:48,915
Speaker 1: and it labeled him not as a trainer but as

902
01:03:48,955 --> 01:03:49,635
Speaker 1: a goalie.

903
01:03:50,955 --> 01:03:51,715
Speaker 2: And of an.

904
01:03:51,635 --> 01:03:55,555
Speaker 1: Instant it sort of made sense they hadn't chosen to

905
01:03:55,595 --> 01:03:58,875
Speaker 1: skip the coach card and put in a trainer instead.

906
01:03:58,995 --> 01:04:01,635
Speaker 1: They had simply added a card of a second Ranger's

907
01:04:01,675 --> 01:04:05,355
Speaker 1: goalie Payee. It might even have been the case that

908
01:04:05,395 --> 01:04:07,795
Speaker 1: there was some original idea to make that number sixty

909
01:04:07,835 --> 01:04:10,755
Speaker 1: one card a cardiff Doug Harvey, because although that run

910
01:04:10,755 --> 01:04:14,395
Speaker 1: of numbers is otherwise occupied by forwards, number sixty one

911
01:04:14,515 --> 01:04:18,195
Speaker 1: does fit into this alphabetical sequence. Fifty nine is Rod

912
01:04:18,275 --> 01:04:22,515
Speaker 1: s Gilbert, sixty is Vic Hadfield, sixty one is Pie,

913
01:04:23,035 --> 01:04:25,915
Speaker 1: but sixty two is Camille Henry. Number sixty three is

914
01:04:26,275 --> 01:04:29,675
Speaker 1: Bronco Horvath, number sixty four is Pat Hannigan, So it's

915
01:04:29,675 --> 01:04:33,515
Speaker 1: a G and H. Payee, then three more hs in

916
01:04:33,555 --> 01:04:36,875
Speaker 1: a row. Maybe number sixty one was originally supposed to

917
01:04:36,915 --> 01:04:42,355
Speaker 1: be Wayne Hall or Brian Hextall, junior Rangers rookies who

918
01:04:42,355 --> 01:04:44,435
Speaker 1: did not make the Rangers out of their training camp.

919
01:04:44,515 --> 01:04:46,595
Speaker 1: Maybe it was supposed to be that Hannigan guy, and

920
01:04:46,675 --> 01:04:49,995
Speaker 1: somebody at Tops was really bad at alphabetizing. Or maybe

921
01:04:50,115 --> 01:04:52,835
Speaker 1: number sixty one was supposed to be Doug Harvey and

922
01:04:52,915 --> 01:04:56,515
Speaker 1: they pulled him out when the final decision was made

923
01:04:56,515 --> 01:04:59,955
Speaker 1: at Top sometime in September nineteen sixty just before they

924
01:04:59,995 --> 01:05:03,715
Speaker 1: said September nineteen sixty two, just before they said roll

925
01:05:03,755 --> 01:05:09,355
Speaker 1: the presses number sixty one became Marcel pie complete with

926
01:05:09,435 --> 01:05:13,475
Speaker 1: the easiest to explain possible mistake, especially in an alphabet

927
01:05:13,595 --> 01:05:17,395
Speaker 1: challenged office where preparing the Canadian hockey card set was

928
01:05:17,435 --> 01:05:21,155
Speaker 1: probably not high on the priority job list. It was

929
01:05:21,235 --> 01:05:29,635
Speaker 1: Frank Pace's mislabeled picture Pace pai Ce instead of Pie

930
01:05:29,875 --> 01:05:36,795
Speaker 1: Pai llle of note back in New London in the

931
01:05:36,795 --> 01:05:39,955
Speaker 1: summer of nineteen eighty five. The pie Proof front with

932
01:05:40,115 --> 01:05:44,595
Speaker 1: Pace's photo was blank backed, and the pie Proof back

933
01:05:44,755 --> 01:05:50,875
Speaker 1: complete with Pie's biography was blank fronted. For years, forty

934
01:05:50,915 --> 01:05:53,235
Speaker 1: of them. I kept an I out for a nineteen

935
01:05:53,275 --> 01:05:57,515
Speaker 1: sixty two sixty three Tops Marcel Piee card in any form.

936
01:05:58,155 --> 01:06:00,475
Speaker 1: Finally I was rewarded a few years ago and one

937
01:06:00,515 --> 01:06:03,595
Speaker 1: of the aluminum printing plate versions I couldn't have afforded

938
01:06:03,675 --> 01:06:06,795
Speaker 1: to buy in the previous century turned up. It was

939
01:06:06,835 --> 01:06:11,955
Speaker 1: the back with the Paie bio. Then a full aluminum

940
01:06:12,035 --> 01:06:14,275
Speaker 1: sheet turned up. I got that too, and finally, a

941
01:06:14,275 --> 01:06:17,395
Speaker 1: couple months ago, a full nineteen sixty two sixty three

942
01:06:17,435 --> 01:06:20,875
Speaker 1: Tops Hockey blank backed proof sheet appeared in another auction,

943
01:06:21,435 --> 01:06:24,115
Speaker 1: complete with a little aluminum debris on the back. It

944
01:06:24,275 --> 01:06:28,275
Speaker 1: is undoubtedly the same one I had gently padded goodbye,

945
01:06:28,795 --> 01:06:32,955
Speaker 1: presumably forever, as I was escorted away by the finders

946
01:06:33,235 --> 01:06:36,595
Speaker 1: and off to the New London train station on the

947
01:06:36,635 --> 01:06:39,595
Speaker 1: early evening of some night in August nineteen eighty five,

948
01:06:39,635 --> 01:06:41,195
Speaker 1: when I was the tender age.

949
01:06:40,955 --> 01:06:41,675
Speaker 2: Of twenty six.

950
01:06:43,795 --> 01:06:47,635
Speaker 1: It was all revealed at some point late in the

951
01:06:47,675 --> 01:06:50,355
Speaker 1: summer of sixty two, Tops gave up waiting for Doug

952
01:06:50,395 --> 01:06:52,955
Speaker 1: Harvey to make up his damn mind. They pulled him

953
01:06:52,995 --> 01:06:55,675
Speaker 1: out of the set. They put the backup goalie Paiee in.

954
01:06:56,035 --> 01:06:59,235
Speaker 1: They grabbed the photo of the wrong guy whose name

955
01:06:59,315 --> 01:07:02,595
Speaker 1: started Pai, and they caught the mistake so late in

956
01:07:02,635 --> 01:07:05,155
Speaker 1: the publishing process that it was just easier and cheaper

957
01:07:05,435 --> 01:07:09,875
Speaker 1: to rewrite the name Pie on the front to the

958
01:07:09,955 --> 01:07:14,635
Speaker 1: name pace and redo the back altogether. It was easier

959
01:07:14,675 --> 01:07:16,755
Speaker 1: and cheaper to do that than it was to swap

960
01:07:16,795 --> 01:07:19,995
Speaker 1: out photos and put in a real photo of Marcel Pie,

961
01:07:20,715 --> 01:07:24,835
Speaker 1: if they even had one. But that's when the TOPS

962
01:07:25,155 --> 01:07:29,635
Speaker 1: vault file binder, page four, It's nineteen sixty two sixty

963
01:07:29,675 --> 01:07:32,675
Speaker 1: three hockey set cards number sixty one to sixty three

964
01:07:32,795 --> 01:07:37,155
Speaker 1: turned up. You're probably unfamiliar with the TOPS file binders.

965
01:07:37,515 --> 01:07:39,715
Speaker 1: They were a kind of a counting record of everything.

966
01:07:39,795 --> 01:07:44,315
Speaker 1: Tops issued two copies of each card in each set,

967
01:07:44,755 --> 01:07:49,995
Speaker 1: from hockey cards to Mars attacks, would be glued onto

968
01:07:50,075 --> 01:07:54,635
Speaker 1: thick construction paper and then kept in three ring binders forever.

969
01:07:55,435 --> 01:07:59,115
Speaker 1: One of them would be glued in face up glue

970
01:07:59,115 --> 01:08:02,875
Speaker 1: on the back, next to it back up face on

971
01:08:02,915 --> 01:08:06,515
Speaker 1: the front on the glue side. Now with only three

972
01:08:06,635 --> 01:08:10,275
Speaker 1: cards shown per page, Needless to say, there were a

973
01:08:10,315 --> 01:08:14,235
Speaker 1: lot of TOPS filebinders sort of proof of publication archive.

974
01:08:14,435 --> 01:08:17,515
Speaker 1: There were so many TOPS filebinders they had their own

975
01:08:17,755 --> 01:08:21,075
Speaker 1: room at the old TOPS headquarters on Whitehall Street in

976
01:08:21,155 --> 01:08:23,955
Speaker 1: New York. I was admitted to this room once. I

977
01:08:24,115 --> 01:08:28,595
Speaker 1: was greatly covetous. Also, the room was so big that

978
01:08:28,715 --> 01:08:34,075
Speaker 1: it echoed. I don't know how I missed it when

979
01:08:34,115 --> 01:08:38,675
Speaker 1: they actually sold the piee pace page in the first place,

980
01:08:39,235 --> 01:08:43,115
Speaker 1: But there it was again in a recent auction. Slabbed

981
01:08:43,355 --> 01:08:46,515
Speaker 1: inside one of those holders, they put coins or valuable

982
01:08:46,515 --> 01:08:50,395
Speaker 1: baseball cards in and complete with the historical evidence of

983
01:08:50,435 --> 01:08:55,635
Speaker 1: the day they realized the mistake. Payee's name is crossed

984
01:08:55,715 --> 01:09:00,355
Speaker 1: off the front facing card and frank pace trainer written

985
01:09:00,395 --> 01:09:02,995
Speaker 1: in in grease pencil on a piece of Scotch tape

986
01:09:03,115 --> 01:09:07,875
Speaker 1: near his head. In block letters, the backfacing card fared

987
01:09:07,915 --> 01:09:10,875
Speaker 1: more poorly, still at the hand of the arkibist. The

988
01:09:10,955 --> 01:09:13,955
Speaker 1: name has been crossed off and over the English bio

989
01:09:14,155 --> 01:09:17,035
Speaker 1: is the word in red wrong, and over the French

990
01:09:17,075 --> 01:09:21,835
Speaker 1: bio is the word player. Between these two copies of

991
01:09:21,875 --> 01:09:25,435
Speaker 1: the same card in ordinary pencil, written vertically is the

992
01:09:25,475 --> 01:09:31,475
Speaker 1: correct identification Frank Pace Trainer. The same vehement corrections had

993
01:09:31,555 --> 01:09:34,995
Speaker 1: been made on the slabbed pages showing the gamble Moan's

994
01:09:35,155 --> 01:09:40,875
Speaker 1: photo switch. So Pai Pace is just a proof card.

995
01:09:41,315 --> 01:09:43,475
Speaker 1: That's the end of it. It never saw the light

996
01:09:43,515 --> 01:09:46,115
Speaker 1: of day. It's curious, but in terms of the history

997
01:09:46,115 --> 01:09:50,035
Speaker 1: of hockey cards, it doesn't mean all that much. Well, no,

998
01:09:50,075 --> 01:09:55,035
Speaker 1: not really. As I said, I was in the filebinder room.

999
01:09:55,395 --> 01:09:57,955
Speaker 1: I don't know how many different binders I was shown

1000
01:09:58,115 --> 01:10:00,675
Speaker 1: from how many different sports, from how many different sets.

1001
01:10:00,755 --> 01:10:02,875
Speaker 1: But I can tell you this with certainty. They did

1002
01:10:02,915 --> 01:10:07,795
Speaker 1: not use proof cards in the filebinders that I inspected.

1003
01:10:07,955 --> 01:10:12,235
Speaker 1: They used issued cards. That was the point. These were

1004
01:10:12,275 --> 01:10:15,275
Speaker 1: not records of cards they intended to sell but didn't.

1005
01:10:15,635 --> 01:10:19,795
Speaker 1: These were the official eternal files of all the cards

1006
01:10:19,915 --> 01:10:23,955
Speaker 1: they actually let loose into an unsuspecting world in case

1007
01:10:23,995 --> 01:10:28,195
Speaker 1: they had to prove it in court. Besides which, to

1008
01:10:28,395 --> 01:10:32,395
Speaker 1: make a filebinder out of proof cards, you would have

1009
01:10:32,435 --> 01:10:34,995
Speaker 1: had to take a proof sheet of the fronts and

1010
01:10:35,075 --> 01:10:37,955
Speaker 1: a proof sheet of the back and cut them up,

1011
01:10:38,475 --> 01:10:42,875
Speaker 1: probably by hand. This would take a long time. Trust me,

1012
01:10:42,995 --> 01:10:46,555
Speaker 1: I've done it as I mentioned earlier, and all the

1013
01:10:46,675 --> 01:10:53,635
Speaker 1: cards on those hockey binder sheets inside the slabs are

1014
01:10:53,675 --> 01:10:57,035
Speaker 1: meticulously and precisely cut, like they had been cut on

1015
01:10:57,115 --> 01:11:01,835
Speaker 1: a professional automated machine, not by hand by some TOPS employee.

1016
01:11:02,155 --> 01:11:05,115
Speaker 1: There's also nothing of what we call the glow oh

1017
01:11:05,315 --> 01:11:10,155
Speaker 1: that ether has always accompanied printers proofs, especially TOPS sports

1018
01:11:10,155 --> 01:11:13,955
Speaker 1: cards proofs. The proofs are shinier and clearer. They are

1019
01:11:14,035 --> 01:11:18,795
Speaker 1: first generation printings. They're not the later, fuzzier, flatter reproductions

1020
01:11:19,195 --> 01:11:22,835
Speaker 1: that appear on the cards in the packs. But the

1021
01:11:22,875 --> 01:11:27,955
Speaker 1: cards in the file binder page slabs look exactly like

1022
01:11:28,075 --> 01:11:31,515
Speaker 1: the issued nineteen sixty two sixty three TOPS hockey cards.

1023
01:11:31,595 --> 01:11:34,635
Speaker 1: They don't glow light proofs. They look a little fuzzy,

1024
01:11:34,755 --> 01:11:40,195
Speaker 1: a little flatter. Moreover, if you hold those slabbed sheets

1025
01:11:40,275 --> 01:11:43,075
Speaker 1: up to strong light, you get the barest hint of

1026
01:11:43,115 --> 01:11:46,035
Speaker 1: what is on the glued down side of each card,

1027
01:11:46,355 --> 01:11:49,195
Speaker 1: faintly visible on the other sides of the back facing

1028
01:11:49,315 --> 01:11:52,195
Speaker 1: cards like the one with Piez biography and the frantic

1029
01:11:52,195 --> 01:11:56,835
Speaker 1: wrong player correction, is a thin blue rectangle. That's all

1030
01:11:56,875 --> 01:11:59,755
Speaker 1: you can see looking through the back, A thin blue

1031
01:11:59,795 --> 01:12:03,915
Speaker 1: rectangle along the top and the side edges that matches

1032
01:12:04,275 --> 01:12:09,715
Speaker 1: the design of the front of the cards. I tested

1033
01:12:09,715 --> 01:12:13,595
Speaker 1: the opacity of the file binder page and the slab

1034
01:12:13,675 --> 01:12:15,995
Speaker 1: using all kinds of other cards, including some of the

1035
01:12:16,035 --> 01:12:19,835
Speaker 1: bright glowing orange backs of nineteen eighty eight TOPS Baseball.

1036
01:12:20,035 --> 01:12:23,035
Speaker 1: I rested those cards atop the slab, held everything up

1037
01:12:23,115 --> 01:12:26,035
Speaker 1: to a strong light, and you can't see anything except

1038
01:12:26,035 --> 01:12:30,395
Speaker 1: the shadow of the shape of the cards, but you

1039
01:12:30,395 --> 01:12:35,235
Speaker 1: could see the little blue suggesting that the card that

1040
01:12:35,355 --> 01:12:42,275
Speaker 1: had the back visible had the front glued, meaning these

1041
01:12:42,275 --> 01:12:46,635
Speaker 1: were issued cards. Now I would have to break the

1042
01:12:46,675 --> 01:12:51,035
Speaker 1: slab apart and peel these cards off their construction paper home.

1043
01:12:52,235 --> 01:12:55,395
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm still thinking about it. I'm conflicted.

1044
01:12:55,955 --> 01:12:58,675
Speaker 1: I'd have to do that to be certain, But I

1045
01:12:58,715 --> 01:13:01,875
Speaker 1: think those are issued cards glued on there, and I

1046
01:13:01,915 --> 01:13:06,555
Speaker 1: think TOPS caught its mistakes in time to pull all

1047
01:13:06,675 --> 01:13:10,075
Speaker 1: or nearly all copies of number sixty one. Marcel Payee oops,

1048
01:13:10,075 --> 01:13:13,675
Speaker 1: it's frank pace plus the gamble and the moans mistakes

1049
01:13:14,555 --> 01:13:18,115
Speaker 1: before they went into the packs, or maybe after they

1050
01:13:18,195 --> 01:13:24,715
Speaker 1: went into the packs. Maybe these cards were withdrawn, or

1051
01:13:24,755 --> 01:13:28,995
Speaker 1: maybe they were proof sheets used for the nineteen sixty

1052
01:13:28,995 --> 01:13:33,835
Speaker 1: two hockey binders that weren't blank backed. Tops did print

1053
01:13:33,915 --> 01:13:38,355
Speaker 1: complete proof sheets fronts, backs, bios, card numbers, cartoons in

1054
01:13:38,435 --> 01:13:41,675
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty nine and nineteen sixty But remember the thing

1055
01:13:41,675 --> 01:13:44,635
Speaker 1: in New London. All those sixty two sheets found in

1056
01:13:44,675 --> 01:13:49,475
Speaker 1: Connecticut were one sided, only hundreds and hundreds of fronts

1057
01:13:49,635 --> 01:13:54,355
Speaker 1: or backs, not both, And that would mean for the

1058
01:13:54,475 --> 01:13:58,195
Speaker 1: cards in the binders to have been proof sheets with

1059
01:13:58,435 --> 01:14:01,715
Speaker 1: backs on them. That would require TOPS to have printed

1060
01:14:02,195 --> 01:14:05,755
Speaker 1: only one sided nineteen sixty two baseball proof sheets and

1061
01:14:05,915 --> 01:14:09,235
Speaker 1: only one sided nineteen sixty two football proof sheets, and

1062
01:14:09,275 --> 01:14:12,675
Speaker 1: then one sided nineteen sixty two hockey proof sheets, and

1063
01:14:12,755 --> 01:14:16,395
Speaker 1: then for some reason also to print some two sided

1064
01:14:16,635 --> 01:14:18,955
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two hockey proof sheets.

1065
01:14:19,555 --> 01:14:21,915
Speaker 2: Just cause.

1066
01:14:24,355 --> 01:14:27,475
Speaker 1: I could easily be wrong. The fate rectangles I see

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01:14:27,555 --> 01:14:30,795
Speaker 1: could be big glue stains on blank backed or blank

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01:14:30,795 --> 01:14:34,075
Speaker 1: fronted proof cards. It makes no sense at all, but

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01:14:34,155 --> 01:14:36,675
Speaker 1: TOPS certainly could have printed two different kinds of proof

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01:14:36,675 --> 01:14:40,795
Speaker 1: sheets just that one time. This could just be my

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01:14:40,915 --> 01:14:43,675
Speaker 1: now ancient eyes playing tricks on me. This could be

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01:14:43,715 --> 01:14:47,555
Speaker 1: my nineteen eighty five brain cells and memory and wallet

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01:14:47,635 --> 01:14:51,755
Speaker 1: crying out for vengeance. It could all be wish fulfillment.

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Speaker 1: Or they are unissued error cards that TOPS printed and destroyed,

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01:15:00,915 --> 01:15:02,915
Speaker 1: and a couple of them might be out there in

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Speaker 1: somebody's collection because they might not have destroyed all of them.

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Speaker 1: For now, I can only offer these postscripts. The next year,

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Speaker 1: TOPS did not make the same mistake with the Hockey Immortal,

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Speaker 1: who had inadvertently set this row of dominoes falling in

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01:15:20,755 --> 01:15:23,675
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two. They proudly made a nineteen sixty three

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Speaker 1: sixty four card of Doug Harvey, whereupon Doug Harvey skipped

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01:15:27,355 --> 01:15:30,115
Speaker 1: the Rangers training camp and was sent down to the Miners.

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01:15:31,595 --> 01:15:34,315
Speaker 1: The card came out he wasn't on the Rangers. The

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01:15:34,435 --> 01:15:36,875
Speaker 1: year before he was on the Rangers, there was no card.

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01:15:38,275 --> 01:15:41,715
Speaker 1: Doug Harvey returned to New York for fourteen listless games,

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01:15:42,035 --> 01:15:45,075
Speaker 1: and then they said enough and they banished him to

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01:15:45,235 --> 01:15:48,955
Speaker 1: Quebec of the American Hockey League. He did not return

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01:15:48,995 --> 01:15:52,195
Speaker 1: to the National Hockey League until nineteen sixty six. Then,

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Speaker 1: at the age of forty three, he exploded back into

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01:15:55,035 --> 01:15:58,835
Speaker 1: stardom as the ace defenseman of the first Saint Louis

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01:15:58,875 --> 01:16:01,515
Speaker 1: Blues team as it advanced to the nineteen sixty eight

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Speaker 1: Stanley Cup Final against his old team, the Canadians. Opeachee,

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01:16:06,395 --> 01:16:09,795
Speaker 1: the TOPS affiliate in Canada, even made him card number

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01:16:09,835 --> 01:16:12,675
Speaker 1: one in its nineteen sixty eight sixty nine set, and

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01:16:12,835 --> 01:16:15,475
Speaker 1: just to add a little twist here, they used an

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01:16:15,515 --> 01:16:20,075
Speaker 1: image that is probably just a horizontally flipped version of

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01:16:20,115 --> 01:16:23,555
Speaker 1: the same photo that they used on his nineteen sixty

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01:16:23,595 --> 01:16:27,795
Speaker 1: three sixty four Rangers card. As to the other guy,

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01:16:27,875 --> 01:16:31,075
Speaker 1: Marcel Piee, he would finally get a real card of

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01:16:31,075 --> 01:16:33,835
Speaker 1: his own when TOPS got the rights to all six

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01:16:33,995 --> 01:16:37,715
Speaker 1: NHL teams in nineteen sixty four and celebrated with the

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01:16:37,755 --> 01:16:41,635
Speaker 1: beloved Tall Boys set cards that are basically twice as

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01:16:41,715 --> 01:16:45,955
Speaker 1: large as the ordinary sports card. Marcel Piee is number

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01:16:46,035 --> 01:16:48,635
Speaker 1: ninety two in the nineteen sixty four sixty five set.

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01:16:49,395 --> 01:16:52,315
Speaker 1: He is what we would call today a super short

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01:16:52,315 --> 01:16:56,515
Speaker 1: print an SSP, or maybe a super super super short

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01:16:56,515 --> 01:17:00,275
Speaker 1: print an SSSP. Especially to try to find it in

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01:17:00,355 --> 01:17:03,875
Speaker 1: good condition, It's a very valuable card for someone who

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01:17:03,915 --> 01:17:08,195
Speaker 1: was not, frankly a very valuable goalie. On the other hand,

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Speaker 1: I have checked, I have double checked, I have triple checked.

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01:17:13,275 --> 01:17:17,155
Speaker 1: The guy shown on the nineteen sixty four to sixty

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01:17:17,155 --> 01:17:21,875
Speaker 1: five tops card of Marcel Paiee is actually surprisingly enough,

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01:17:24,435 --> 01:17:37,515
Speaker 1: Marcel Piee. I've done all the damage I can do here.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. Brian Ray and John Phillip Shaneil

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Speaker 1: the musical directors have Countdown, have arranged, produced and performed

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Speaker 1: most of our music. Mister Chanelle handled orchestration and keyboards.

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Speaker 1: Mister Ray was on the guitars, bass and drums. It

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Speaker 1: was produced by Tko Brothers. Our satirical and pithy musical

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Speaker 1: comments are by the best baseball stadium organist ever, Nancy Faust,

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Speaker 1: now back doing cameos with the White Sox Vatican City's team.

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Speaker 1: The sports music is the Olderman theme from ESPN two,

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Speaker 1: written by Mitch Warren Davis for to see a ESPN inc.

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Speaker 1: Other music arranged and performed by the group No Horns Allowed,

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Speaker 1: and my announcer today was also Nancy Faust. Also, I

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Speaker 1: guess like Shulish, Joe Jackson and the other seven men

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Speaker 1: out who are now back in also resurrected by what's

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Speaker 1: his name again, Pope Kamiski. The first everything else was,

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Speaker 1: as ever my fault. That's countdown for today, Day one

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Speaker 1: hundred and sixteen of America held hostage just three hundred

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Speaker 1: and forty seven days until the scheduled end of his

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01:18:41,835 --> 01:18:45,715
Speaker 1: lane duck and lame brained term, unless Musk removes him sooner,

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Speaker 1: or the actuarial tapes due, or we do. The next

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Speaker 1: scheduled countdown is Monday. As always, bulletins as the news warrants,

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Speaker 1: especially if they're about Marcel Payee or Frank Pace or

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Speaker 1: Doug freaking Harvey. Remember Trump is laying the groundwork now

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Speaker 1: to not leave office later, and he must be stopped

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Speaker 1: until next time. I'm Keith Olderman. Good morning, good afternoon,

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