WEBVTT - Part One: Narendra Modi, And India's Weird Nazi Obsession 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:07.720 M what's in quarantine? My GOP legislators. Hello, dear friends. 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:11.320 I made the previous joke about Ted Cruz quarantining and 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:15.680 then being exposed again and immediately re self quarantining, back 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:18.800 in an earlier distant age, when such things were a 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:21.799 little bit more funny seeming. We are not in a 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:24.520 position where that's super funny right now. So I would 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:27.160 like to replace the bit that Sophia and I did 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:30.479 about that with this new bit, which is a joke. 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:33.559 Uh So, there's this pirate and he walks into a 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:36.840 bar and the pirates. The bartender looks at the pirate 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:38.320 and he's got like a steering wheel in his pants, 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:41.000 and the bartenders like, hey, what do you well you 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:43.479 got that steering wheel and your pants for? And the 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:48.720 pirate responds, yard tis driving me nuts. That is the joke. 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:54.720 Please enjoy the rest of this episode. I'm Robert Evans. 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:58.120 This is Behind the Bastards podcast about Terrible People. Here 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:03.600 with me, Sophia Alexandra. Yeah, I'm so excited to be here. 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:07.640 Thanks for having me, Robert, Sophie, thank you. I did 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.720 a musical intro for you, just doing mouth sounds. I 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:13.640 noticed it and it was good, and he didn't like 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:17.960 malfunctioned like a broken robot like you did last time 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:20.840 when you tried to intro. So this is really a 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:23.600 step up. I've I've decided to turn a new leaf 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:26.800 professionally because I think it's important to be professional. So 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:29.399 in the spirit of professionalism, do you want to play 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:31.560 with the switch blade a stranger sent me in the mail? Yes, 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:34.720 please you try. I got a switch blade so every 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:36.399 time I come back to l A, I get new 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:40.840 fan packages and this one was just a switch blade. Um, 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:43.960 so that's pretty fun. We've been carrying it around playing 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:45.679 with it. Didn't know how to close it for a while, 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:47.840 so it was just waving it around. Sophie is trying 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:49.160 to figure out how to close it. Now it's a 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:51.960 good time. Yeah, I'm excited to figure this puzzle out. Yeah, 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:55.800 Chris Goddard like three seconds, Chris immediately, Chris our editor, 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:58.560 immediately figured out how to close it. The rest of 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:01.840 us were in this particular early me shamefully couldn't figure 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:04.080 it out. So I was just I was just waving 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:08.639 an open knife around for a while, like a pinching situation, 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:12.400 and just like we're good with oshow right, Sophie. Okay, 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:17.880 Sophie says, everything I do is fine. So, Sophia, have 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:22.919 you heard about non Dram Moody? No? Oh boy, Well 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:25.480 he's the Prime Minister of India, and you heard about 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:27.720 how like a couple of couple three weeks ago, there 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:32.280 was that umagram in uh New Delhi where like mobs 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:35.800 of angry Hindu extremists were chasing Muslims through the street 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:40.280 and killed dozens of them. Um. Not as familiar as 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:43.080 I should be. Oh boy, Yeah that happened. Um, And 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:45.240 we're going to talk about everything that led up to 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:47.839 that happening. Um. So this is gonna be a fun one. 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:52.480 Fascism come. You know how sometimes countries are like functioning 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:55.119 democracies for a long time and then a fascist gets 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:57.560 in charge and you realize that, like, oh man, everybody 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:00.520 was still way more racist than I gave him credit for. Shit. 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:03.840 You know that happens in some countries. What do you mean? 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:08.000 And where I don't can't relate to that at all. 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:12.280 Yesterday we're talking about something that has only happened in 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:17.320 India and nowhere else, and it's currently not ongoing, yes, 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:22.080 anywhere near or around US. I love talking about things 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:25.320 that every single person listening to this podcast hasn't experienced 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:27.760 in their own country. That's my favorite thing to talk 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:32.680 about on this podcast. Good times. So yeah, hey, just 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:35.120 quick question, how many dead babies in this episode? I 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:37.960 just need to know how much to steal myself for this. 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:40.600 There's like one paragraph we talk about a couple, but 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:44.680 other than that, it's mostly the stution of murdered adults. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:46.200 it's pretty light on that. Okay, do you like me 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:50.119 more or less now that you're only having me? Now 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:53.040 that you're not e me on only dead children episodes? 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:54.920 You know what it is, Sophia. I feel like I 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:56.760 feel like you know when you when you when you 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:59.000 get into a new relationship with somebody, like you stay 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.000 with what's comfortable for a while, And so we stayed 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:02.640 on the dead baby train for a little while because 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:04.560 it made you feel safe. Could make me feel safe. 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:09.360 But now I'm willing to experiment with fascist foreign political leaders. Oh, 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.240 you want to invite a fascist into our relationship? Yes, 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:15.400 I do. There's always a point in every relationship where 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:18.279 you invite a fascist strong man and you freaky, let's 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:22.159 do this. That's why they keep winning, actually, because you 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:25.360 just want to bring him in. You can't keep him 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:27.600 out of your bedroom. You just like to dom and 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:32.920 I appreciate that about you. Oh boy, this is gonna 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:34.960 feel so much less comfortable after we get to all 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:37.800 the murdered people. I mean, that's why I'm really getting 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:40.520 it in right now. So I'm gonna start by talking 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:44.960 a little bit about Nazism in India. As you know, 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:48.880 big fan, big fan of Nazism in India are really 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:55.320 as a June nothing warms in my heart. So Nazism 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:58.039 in India have a long, strange history that's really really 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:01.440 difficult to talk about. As we discussed in our Savitri 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:04.480 Devi episodes, the O G Nazis were obsessed with India 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:07.120 as the homeland of the ancient Arians that they idolized. 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:09.479 Uh and the S S on an Airba, which was 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:13.039 like the s S Archaeological Division, actually sent expeditions into 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:15.320 Tibet and northern India to seek out the origins of 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:18.400 their mythical superman. So like, how heartwarming that they had 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:21.080 enough time to like follow this beautiful they really thread 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:25.400 dial they were like murdering all across Europe. Is just 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:27.960 so sweet that they were like you know what, let's 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:31.000 explore a little bit of some something mystical. Yeah, this 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:32.720 was when they were sending this at was like kind 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:34.760 of the slow murder period where they were like they 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:37.000 hadn't because there weren't that many like Jewish people actually 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:40.320 in Germany proper, so they really hadn't ramped up the 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:42.839 killing yet and it were mostly doing weird ship and 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:48.279 murdering their political opponents and then pre crystall locked. No, 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:53.159 but it's it's pre um invasion of Poland and stuff, 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:55.880 so it's like it's like pre the start of actual hostilities. 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:58.800 So they they're they're definitely killing a lot of people, 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:05.640 but like by Nazis Anderds, they haven't really got into Yeah. Yeah, 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:09.080 let's have a little bit of archaeology with our our 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:12.800 murder appetizers, just like a like a slow ramp up. 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:16.280 Yeah yeah, Like I'm not gonna make an edge in 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:20.400 comment here. Um. So, while the ideological underpinnings of Nazism 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:23.080 did not get really any purchase in the Indian subcontinent 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:25.680 during the nineteen thirties and nineteen forties, many Indians on 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:28.440 Nazi Germany as a potential ally in their battle against 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:31.200 British imperialism. So one of the tough things to understand. 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:34.200 And this is also true a different kind of extent 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:36.960 with like Ukraine is UM, there was a number of 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:39.599 folks in India who supported the Nazis during the period 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:42.080 with the Nazis were in charge not because they cared 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:45.200 about Nazism, but because they hated the British Empire, which 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:50.880 is like, yeah, okay, I mean everybody hates the British Empire. Yeah. 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.440 And if you're like a Hindu nationalist or an Indian 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:57.040 nationalist and like a reasonable person like nineteen thirty, you know, 0:06:57.080 --> 0:06:58.480 you can look at the Nazis be like, well, I'm 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:00.440 sure they've done bad stuff, but like, let's look at 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:02.360 what the British Empire has been doing, right, Like, I 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:05.279 think that's a long history, have been terrible, a lot 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:09.800 more reason to be concerned. Um. So that's part of 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:12.960 the support here, and that aspect of it, the part 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:15.480 where it's like kind of understandable. Support of the Nazis. 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:19.240 UM reached its height with the Indish Legion or the 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:22.800 Indian Volunteer Legion of the wathan SS. This was an 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:26.400 all Indian military force aimed formed at the guidance of 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:30.480 Indian nationalist leaders Subhas Chandra Bos. The forces were initially 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:33.560 formed out of Indian POWs captured fighting against the forces 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:35.520 of the British Empire. So like they would beat a 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:38.160 British army and they would capture a bunch of Indian 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:41.080 soldiers that the British had taken in and then they 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:44.080 would be like, you guys want to like invade India 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:46.920 and free it from British domination. And these guys were like, yeah, 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:49.640 of course that sounds good. You guys want to build 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:53.240 us no, yah, yeah, it was a little bit like that. Um. 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:55.360 So the idea was that like these Indian soldiers would 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:58.120 act as pathfinders and like helped lead the German army 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:00.920 into India when it was time to invade the subcontinent 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:04.280 uh and Germany wound up collecting well over ten thousand 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:07.200 Indian soldiers that way, So they were like ten thousand Indian, 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:11.360 Hindu and Muslim Indian soldiers in the s s. Most 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:15.240 people don't know this story. It's so wild, it's really weird. 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:18.440 They were eventually stationed in France just in time for 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:21.040 the Normandy landings, and they never wound up taking part 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:23.040 in much meaningful combat, but a lot of them did 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:26.320 get killed by the French resistance. Like it's this really 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:31.200 weird story. There are not confused. You'd be when like 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:33.360 an S S officer came to take you away and 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:36.360 he was Indian, and you'd be like, well, they didn't 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:39.160 do that really, like they weren't doing normal SS stuff 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:40.800 like they even had in there you have to take 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:45.360 people away. No, they're not really person I don't think 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:47.480 they knew what it was. I think they were like, 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:50.240 you guys hate the English and we hate us some 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:54.559 English again, Like that's a horrible mistake. Yeah, yeah, it's 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:57.559 an it's a real comedy of errors. You could get 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:02.439 a yeah, um, and it's it's weird because like there's 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:07.320 like photos of Irwin Rommel like reviewing parades of these 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:11.840 guys and you can see like fucking Rommel um like 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:14.200 like pinning medals on the chest of guys with turbans, 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:16.520 and like it's just this, it's it's a very strange 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:19.200 chapter of history. Um. But they did have like a 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:21.120 clause in their contract that said they would not be 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:25.079 used for offensive operations anywhere but India, So like they 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:26.920 did kind of have written into their contract we're not 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:30.280 like fully on board with the Nazi thing, so I 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:32.760 wouldn't call I don't know, like it's weird. It's cool 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:36.120 to other have other people have who have joined like 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:40.480 armed things, gotten a chance to be like, you know 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:43.360 what this but not this, I don't like all the 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:45.480 way up to the killing, but not the killing. You 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:47.640 don't get to do that, right, Yeah, this is the 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:49.680 only time I've heard about something like this happening. Yeah, 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:52.880 it seems unusual. It's a weird case from the war. 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:55.320 And you can imagine if that's what soldiering really was. 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:57.920 You sign up, but you get to say no things. 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:01.400 That's actually that's actually how the German army were today. There, 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:03.319 as far as I know, the only one where if 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:06.320 you are a German soldier you have a right written 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:09.000 into like the law of the nation that says that 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:12.600 if you have a moral issue with a deployment or something, 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:15.240 you get to say no. I wonder why that's there, yea, 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:21.439 I wonder why they have that rule. Um. So, after 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:23.600 the war, India gained her independence on the back of 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:26.920 a fundamentally peaceful movement. Mahatma Gandhi, one of the chief 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:30.240 architects of independence, was assassinated though by a member of 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:34.360 the r s S, a Hindu nationalist political party with 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:37.720 ties to Savitri Devi, the birth mother of esoteric Hitlerism, 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:40.200 who we talked about a few weeks ago. India and 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:42.760 Pakistan split apart to in large part to fears by 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.040 Indian Muslims that they would be dominated by Hindus in 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:48.480 any democratic system. This mass migration resulted in what some 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:51.760 have termed a mutual genocide, killing well over a million people, 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:54.480 possibly like as much as three million people. It was 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:57.440 a horrific, horrific like the split of Indian Pakistan, which 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:00.520 is unbelievably violent, and it's one of those things where 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:03.040 like you'd be really hard pressed to like lockdown like 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:05.360 a side that was like mutual. I've never heard again 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:07.920 the term mutual was just in the mutual genocide is 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:10.440 an insane name and also the name of my death 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:12.160 metal band. Yeah, it is a good name for a 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:16.240 metal band. Yeah, And it's this is all a very 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:19.200 complicated history, but there so you can see there's like 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:23.040 this huge tension between so India is simultaneously has more 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:25.360 Muslims than any other country on Earth, but is also 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:28.760 the vast majority of people in it or Hindu um. 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:32.600 And this has been a problem for a while in 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:39.720 terms of like um violent uh differences between the two groups, 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:43.280 in part because like at different points one group or 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:45.800 another has like ruled the nation and the other people, 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:48.440 particularly for a long time the like there was like 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:50.800 a Muslim conquest of India and the Mogal's ruled and 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:53.160 it was like, so this is like there's a lot 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:54.920 of history here that we're not going to get to 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:57.120 cover in enough depth. But the fact that like the 0:11:57.200 --> 0:12:00.440 partitioning of Indian Pakistan goes as violently as it does 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:04.960 um uh says something about the state of affairs at 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:06.600 the time, and it's it's worth noting that like a 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:09.079 lot of that also goes on the British because there 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:11.680 were ways to have handled this that we're smarter and 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:16.280 and more understanding and would have resulted in less death. 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:19.440 But England was just like fuck it, We'll just here. 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:21.439 We drew a map like this seems good to us. 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:25.000 You guys, figure out how to implement it, um, But 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:27.960 we already drew the map. We can't change it just 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:33.160 because people are dying. The map is already drawn. Yeah, 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:36.480 and it's probably worth noting that it's unlikely any of 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:39.160 this would be happening if the British hadn't ruled India 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:44.920 for a couple of hundred years. But Anderson gets angry 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:49.200 when I talked about the British Empire's She's dressed in 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:52.400 a really smart like British tweed right now. She likes 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:55.760 Royals and she does not funk around when she's dressed 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:58.680 to the nines. Is Royals, the show about the British 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:01.760 Royal family. Can I get the word tree? Is that 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:07.239 the one everyone's watching anyway? So um. In the decades 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:11.200 since the partitioning of India, the nation of India lurched 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:14.120 forward to take its place as the planet's largest democracy. 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:16.960 Elections and crises came and went, and India took its 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:19.559 place again as an independent power on the world stage. 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:23.360 Americans grew increasingly obsessed with the subcontinent as a source 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:26.200 of ancient wisdom and as a great vacation destination, and 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:29.200 at the same time Indians grew well, can I tell 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:35.120 you something, nothing has changed? Look at any white girls Instagram. 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:37.240 It's pretty cool. One of the neat things about going 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:40.960 to India, particularly to New Delhi, is how many uh, 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:44.240 like young American like nineteen and twenty year olds you 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:48.040 meet there having like massive existential crises because New Delhi 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:50.680 is a hard fucking city to land in, like it is, 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:53.320 it is a shock. There's so many more people than 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:56.840 you'd expect, it moves so fast, it is so polluted, 0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:00.960 um and so like like like people just have massive 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:03.360 panic attacks and there's like this whole industry based on 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:06.400 Like you see some rich, panicking kid who like didn't 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:08.080 realize what it was really going to be like to 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:09.959 be in a city like that, and you like come 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:11.440 up to him and be like, you want to get 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:13.439 out of Delhi, right, you want to visit like one 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:15.280 of these vacations spots And he's like yeah, and they're 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:17.040 like all of the trains are shut down, there's no 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:18.840 busses leaving the town. But I got a bus that 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:20.880 you can sharter And then like they've paid three thousand 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:23.160 dollars to rent a bus for a week. Oh my god, 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:27.280 what a sweet fucking hustle. It's it's pretty fun to watch. 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:31.960 I'm learning so much. Yeah. So at the same time 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:34.720 as all of this happened, uh, Indian or a number 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.160 of people in India grew increasingly obsessed with the theories 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:40.680 and iconography of Adolf Hitler and his Nazi movement, and 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:43.720 the reason behind this was complex and confusing. It ranges 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.440 widely from more or less harmless stuff, like the term 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:49.200 Hitler has become a common Bollywood insult for characters who 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:52.880 act badly, like you know, you're yeah, like like like 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:56.520 just sort of being a total Hitler right now. Yeah, 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:59.120 that's so awesome. We should do this, we should do 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:02.480 that one more. Um But it it kind of hints 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:05.600 at something, which is that like Hitler and the legacy 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.080 of the Nazis isn't really seen kind of the same 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:09.680 way over there as it is here because it's way 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:13.640 more distant, right, Like all of that those politics are 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:15.760 more distant to people there. So it's kind of like 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:19.880 you get some weird examples of um, like, every couple 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:21.480 of years, there'll be a story of just like some 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:23.880 shop opening up in Delhi or some other city in 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.360 India that's like at a huge swastika on the front 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:29.400 or like a picture of Hitler, and it's like usually 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:32.200 when you read articles interviewing the shop owner, he's like, well, 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:34.200 I didn't really know anything about him. I just thought 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:38.160 like the imagery was cool. It's like it's very strange. 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:43.320 Um so uh crossword and Indian bookseller sold twenty five 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:46.800 copies of mind comp in three years. Jaco, another Indian 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:49.320 book merchant, sold a hundred thousand copies in seven years. 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:55.800 Hitler's Manifesto was translated into Gujarati Hindi Uh malayal Malay 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:59.320 Alan Malay all Um jesus, I'm so sorry to all 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:03.040 of the people of Southeast um Asia that I'm gonna 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:06.360 be butchering words from um Bengali and to mill And 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:08.600 it's sold solidly across the subcontinents. So you have to 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:12.440 way hear about da Vinci code man we had in 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:16.840 the nights templar. We don't want that going over there. Um. Yeah. 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:18.520 So you have this weird thing where like there's this 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:22.600 mix of the history of nazism't being less immediate in 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.880 India and so like people you know, like adopt the 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:28.240 term Hitler as a general insult. And but also this 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:32.520 weird phenomenon of like Hitler's actual words selling very well 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:35.320 in chunks of India. And what makes this unsettling is 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:37.080 that the book is not being sold there as a 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:41.120 historic text instead. Mine comp has achieved popularity in India 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:43.360 is a sort of self help book, a guide to 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:49.560 success for Hindu businessman. It's not great. What the fuck? Yeah? 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:53.280 A guide to success. Yeah, he's like they're Tim Ferris, 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:56.280 you know, not they're Tim Fair, but like a subculture 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:59.200 within like the the Hindu business community. He's like a 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:04.960 Tim Ferris tie figure, like a great product productivity. Uh, Guru, 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:08.840 like set a timer for thirty minutes and then when 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:13.680 it goes off, you kill all the Jews. I found 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:17.359 a CBS news article that interviewed to Ruin Sinkhole, a 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:20.080 management student at New Delhi's Institute of Technology, was like, 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:22.520 without the final solution, I would have never passed my 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:26.320 marketing laws. We need a final solution to get in 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:30.800 these products off the shelves. I'll tell you what. Uh. 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:32.840 He read Mind so this guy to run red mind 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.439 comp as an undergraduate, and he found it inspiring and 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:38.040 he told CBS quote, it serves as a reminder that 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:44.080 nothing is unachievable. He said, it doesn't matter how many 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:46.520 millions of people you dream of killing from, how many 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:50.280 different kinds of groups you got this. You want to 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:52.159 kill three, you want to kill six? You want to 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:59.800 kill eleven? You got this after that point. This does 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:02.119 them back to my frequent refrain on this show that like, 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:04.760 people should not, as often as they are, be encouraged 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:08.280 to follow their dreams. Some people's dreams are garbage. Yeah, 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:13.080 people's dreams not good. So yeah, he said, it serves 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:15.760 as a reminder that nothing is unachievable, and he added 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:18.320 that He added that he was able to separate that 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:23.800 message of empowerment from the book's pervasive anti Semitic ideology. 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:26.479 So you gotta cut out all the jew hatred. But 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:29.919 there's some good stuff. The old I read Playboy for 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:35.359 the articles defends I read Hitler for the management advice exactly. Yeah, 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:38.040 what are you talking about, mind com Yeah, I mean, sure, 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:40.600 there's some juice stuff in there, but mostly what I 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:43.879 thought about was efficiency. Mostly it taught me how to 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:47.840 really set up an organization. Yeah, it taught me management skills, 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:50.800 how to talk to people before you killed them, obviously, 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:53.840 but you know it was very helpful, and you know, 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:57.160 in luring people to their deaths, it really helped. It's 0:18:57.160 --> 0:18:59.320 wild because, like, if you actually look into how the 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:02.359 Third Reich was managed, it was a complete ship show 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:04.919 and Hitler was terrible at it and the only reason 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:07.240 they had as much military success as they did is 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:11.480 decades of primarily Prussian military ingenuity. That like, but it 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:15.040 like he wasn't good as a manager. Is this is 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:17.840 the core of the point. But I guess people miss that. 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:22.400 Um So. In two thousand ten, Bollywood director Nolan Sing 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:26.160 announced his plan to produce a movie titled Dear Friend Hitler, 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:30.840 um which was shall we say, a different take at all? 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:35.520 I mean, I guess I don't need to register my 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:39.680 script with a w G anymore. That's clearly someone's taken 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:44.000 my idea. That's a bummer Hitler colin not so bad, 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:48.000 I do. That was also another version of I mean 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:50.960 that was a musical, But I have an idea for 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:52.800 a script that I yeah, you want to just throw 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:55.520 it out here, nobody steal this. It's called Reverse Hitler, 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:57.760 the Hitler with a Heart of Gold, and it's about 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:01.240 a clone of Hitler, that's his opposite, whose goal is 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:03.280 to and it can either be I actually think this 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:05.919 might work best as like a Netflix mini series. His 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:10.240 goal is to get six million Jewish couples pregnant. Oh 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:15.280 my god, how about anti Hitler Anti Hitler. We can 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:17.600 workshop the title. Yeah, and you know what else, we 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:20.600 can stay on board with this. Let's make this happen. 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:23.560 I don't I don't want this to slip away. Okay, no, 0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:26.040 we can make some bank off of this, dude, anti 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:29.119 Hitler Hunters is popular and that ship is trash. It is. 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:33.199 It's bad. It's really terrible, so bad. It's like, what horrible. 0:20:33.240 --> 0:20:35.560 It's like written by people who I think had heard 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:37.520 of Jewish people but aren't. And I know the guy 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:39.800 involved as Jewish and the guys starring in it as Jewish, 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:42.040 but I don't understand it. Why are they calling the 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:47.000 grandparents soft? That's a that's a Hebrew word. That would 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:49.840 never be the thing. It would be Yiddish. It just 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:52.719 doesn't make any sense. It's like, just have one fucking 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:56.440 real jew look it over, just one, just one. It's 0:20:56.480 --> 0:21:02.720 so bad, horrible, What about the fucking accent on the grandma? Sorry, no, no, 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:06.000 it's good, it's good. This is a terrible show. But 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:09.120 you know what's not terrible and also haunts Nazis? These 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:21.760 exactly exactly, every single one of them nailed it. We're back. 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:26.200 We're back, and we're talking about Nazism in India. So 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:29.720 into this inten this Bollywood director Nolan Saying announces that 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:32.320 he's going to make Dear Friend Hitler, and CBS News 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:36.520 reports that he was quote genuinely shocked that this created controversy, 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:41.879 genuinely shocked, the media express disdain, Jewish groups were horrified, 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:44.000