WEBVTT - It Could Happen Here Weekly 164 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:03.200 All media. 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:05.720 Hey everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted to let 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:09.440 you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:12.680 of the week that just happened is here in one 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:16.520 convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.040 listen to in a long stretch if you want. If 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:21.000 you've been listening to the episodes every day this week, 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:22.759 there's going to be nothing new here for you, but 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:24.760 you can make your own decisions. 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:25.600 Hi. 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:29.000 Everyone, it's James coming at you. We're pretty nasty cold here. 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:32.440 I wanted to share with you that Wildfast has swept 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:35.240 through Los Angeles in the last couple of days. While 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:39.640 I'm recording this. Thousands of people have been displaced. Five 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:43.479 people have died that we know of so far, thousands 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:46.120 of structures have been burned, and many many people in 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:48.720 I will be finding themselves out of their homes with 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:51.960 nowhere to go, with very few resources. If you'd like 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:54.440 to help, We've come up with some mutual aid groups 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:57.040 who you can donate to, and we'll be interviewing one 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:59.800 of them on this show next week. So if you 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:02.680 like to help, the three places where we suggest you 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:08.280 would donate some cash, The Sidewalk Project, that's the Sidewalk 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:13.800 Project dot org K Town for All. That's that's a 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:16.720 K T O W N F O R A L 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:21.000 L dot O r G and ETNA Street Solidarity. You 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:24.160 can find them on Venmo or I think on Instagram 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:28.200 as well. That's a E T N A S T 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:32.280 R E E T S O L I D A 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:33.679 R I T Y. 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:39.480 All right, I'm gonna go rest my voice order in 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:43.480 the court order in the court Justice Robert Evans presiding, 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:46.520 I see we have a fine jury here to take 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:50.480 questions from the audience of our of our daily news show, 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:54.400 which is also my court room. Everybody, everybody get it, 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:57.080 because I'm a judge now, really, because that's how the 0:01:57.120 --> 0:01:58.160 legal system works. 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:02.280 All those rubers finally have true. 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:04.720 No municipal Judge Garrison. 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:09.919 That's okay, okay, that's get You're right, You're right, You're 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:10.839 right here. 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:12.640 I will now for the rest of my life be 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:15.400 able to say when people ask questions, well as a 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:19.040 man of the law, which I'm very much looking forward to. 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:22.720 No, only able to say, Robert quite likely. 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:26.320 To say, anyway, that's all I got. 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:28.919 All right, this is the it could happen here. A 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:31.360 Q and A episode. We've got what what are we 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:33.400 calling you now? Robert Evans? What's your title? 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:37.200 The Honorable Robert Evans and I I actually all the 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:39.880 judge who made me a judge sent me a gabble, 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:42.120 but I didn't grab it for this one. So I 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:45.359 just used I have a the the barrel and lower 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:48.560 receiver from an antique sought off shotgun that belonged to 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:50.880 a bootlegger, and I just sort of slammed that into 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:51.280 my table. 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:53.280 I'm sure editor will love that. 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:57.240 Yeah, yeah, but before we broadcast, so you have a 0:02:57.280 --> 0:02:58.000 sort of shotgun. 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:00.880 It's not a it's not functional, it's been destroyed. 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:03.079 I see, I see good. Didn't want a little really 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:03.680 rich moment. 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:07.560 Yeah, we've got Mio Wong, Garrison Davis, James Stout and 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:09.880 the dishonorable Robert Evans. 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:13.400 And Sophie Lickterman. Oh yes, it mean yeah, we're. 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:15.320 Gonna do the We're gonna do some questions we posted 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:16.840 in on our Blue Sky. If you not following us 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:18.440 on Blue Sky, we are on there. 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:21.200 Blue Ski one does not post on Blue Sky. So 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:21.960 if you want. 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:24.600 Skeets, I really hope that's not true, because that's really. 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:28.800 Embarrassing Unfortunately, they really tried to get that off the ground. 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:30.880 I don't see anyone actually using skeat. 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:33.240 I saw someone using it in French and it was 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:36.400 a real moment. Hi are you Garrison. 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:39.080 Instead of saying send a tweet, now, I just say 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:42.240 send skeet in conversation. Everyone loves it. M hm. 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:44.840 Do you re skeet? Is that a thing? Yeah? 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:47.280 I guess you do. I guess you do, mm hm. 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:50.360 And we're moving on. I'm just gonna throw out some 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:53.160 of the questions we received on online. I'm not even 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:55.000 gonna say the name of the app again because I'm 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:59.920 afraid being labeled as an old Garrison's embarrassed by me. 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:02.920 I can tell I didn't say that, but you thought it. 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:05.600 But you thought it. I didn't think that you did. 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:08.800 Any advice for someone with a desire to do some 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:11.720 hobby or freelance journalism in the coming few years, I 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:15.640 want to actively fight for equality. Also, thank you for 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:16.719 your questions. Everyone. 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:20.120 Hm, I don't thank you for your questions. I'm actively 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:21.640 angry at you for your question. 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:23.360 Yeah, that's why you're the dishonorable. 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.840 Yeah, start rich if you want to be a freelance journalist. 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:28.599 Because you'll progressively become poorer. 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:34.000 It's my I have funded my journal I get I 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:37.159 love whatever people ask me questions like how did you 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:40.800 convince Krack to send you to Iraq? I didn't. I 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:44.520 bought plane tickets, Like being an entertainer has always been 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:46.000 what's funded my journalism. 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:50.679 I guess my advice would be get really autistic about 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:55.320 something problematic, just like one thing, this one thing I 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:58.479 get like RELLI into it to the point where it 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:01.320 kind of takes over your life. Your personal life starts 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:04.160 fading away, it kind of blends into your whole state 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:08.400 of existence. And only then will you actually get good 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:12.680 at that thing. Yep, that's my advice. And then you 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:14.440 just take one thing at a time and every few 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:17.279 years you kind of change the scope of the thing 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:20.440 you're getting really autistic about. But that's kind of how 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:22.720 I've rolled, and it's been it's been okay. 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:26.320 Yeah, you just finished thirty six hours of digging into 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:31.159 the life of a school shooter. And I also built 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:34.040 the back of my career spending hours and hours digging 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:38.000 through the online lives of mass shooters. And you don't 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:40.560 have to do that, but you do have to do 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:43.359 that thing, which is Yeah, exactly what Garrison said. You 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:47.000 have to pick a very narrow thing and make it 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:49.520 your life, and not just a random thing, but like 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:51.800 a thing that you think is important. Yeah, and that 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:54.440 people don't other people don't understand how important it is. 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:58.239 And if you make yourself there's a fella. His blog 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:00.880 is called We Hunted the Mammoth. They've Futrell who's been 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:04.040 covering what we call the manosphere for like more than 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:08.640 a decade before anybody else in journalism was taking it seriously. Yep, 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:11.080 you got to do that kind of thing. If you 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:14.000 do that kind of thing, you build a name for yourself, 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:16.719 and that can allow you when that the thing that 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:21.359 you're obsessed on becomes a big story, being first to 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:24.440 have something meaningful to say about it can provide you 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:28.359 eventually with the opportunity to cover other things. Yeah, and 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:29.040 it's good advice. 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:31.120 I would say if you want to get started freelancing, 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:34.880 it's a good idea to join that IWW Freelance Journalist Union. 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:37.560 You can learn a lot from people who are freelancing there. 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:39.760 You can learn who not to pitch, which editors are 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:43.080 toxic as fuck, which is a surprisingly large amount. Yeah, 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:45.120 you can learn which email to send your pitches to 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:47.240 and how to pitch if you're not familiar with how 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:50.159 to pitch. I also teach sometimes journalism workshops at a 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:52.960 community college, So if you have a community college near you, 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.320 you might be able to get some either free or 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:58.760 very cheap sort of advice and the real like nuts 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:01.360 and bolts of journalism like ending pitches and stuff like that. 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:02.480 Cool. 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:06.479 What is the consensus on what the next Trump administration 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:10.120 will do? On the first day or first week, all 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:12.119 of us just look like we're in pain. 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:21.560 Oh fus like it's chaos of the Yeah. 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:21.320 I'm not. 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:23.680 I'm not for seeing good things. There'll be a lot 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:27.160 of executive orders that are you know, probably bad, you know, 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:28.200 things that aren't great. 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:34.000 Yeah, I think that, Uh, he's going to try to 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:36.560 do as much of what he's promised to do in 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:38.760 terms of particular not in terms of everything he's prounded, 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:42.560 but in terms of going after immigrants. Yeah, he's going 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:44.200 to do as much of what he's promised to do 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:46.840 as he possibly can't. Now that doesn't mean he's going 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:49.960 to actually deport millions of people. There are like some 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:54.080 just practical limitations based on the capacity of the institutions 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:56.640 will be using to do this and he could get 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:58.760 there's a very good chance things will get bogged down 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:02.760 and whatnot, but like he will try. Yeah, that's my take. Yeah, 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:03.120 I think. 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:04.679 I think the other thing that's going to happen pretty 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:06.840 quickly is I think he's gonna start moving on tariffs 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:07.920 very very fast. 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:10.960 Yeah. If you're planning to buy a computer, go ahead 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:13.240 and grab that fucker now if you can. 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:16.280 If you're getting anything from overseas, you should get it 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:18.080 in the few weeks that you still can. 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:19.240 Yeah, it has a battery. 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:20.200 It made here. 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:24.760 I had my annual physical today because otherwise our insurance 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:27.680 screws us over. And my doctor was like, you should 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:30.600 try to get as many prescriptions filled before the end 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:33.880 of the year before things come up, just in case. 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:37.520 There you go, and you know that's not terrible advice. 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:38.679 Yeah. 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:42.320 I think in terms of executive orders, he will try 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:47.520 and further restrict access to asylum, try and further change that. 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:49.280 There are things he can do by executive order with 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:52.400 ICE and CBP in terms of how they operate that 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:55.360 he will try and do. It's not impossible that they 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:58.600 will try and again immediately mobilize public health law against 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:01.400 migrants like he did in twenty twenty. Right, Yeah, those 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:04.720 things could all be done without congressional support. We might 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:06.840 hope on us about this, but Stephen Miller suggested that 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:08.000 they might do some of those things. 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:11.640 So, yeah, not impossible. Party won't be a great day. 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:16.440 Somebody's getting fired the first week, probably first day. 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:19.760 Yeah. I mean, I've seen the fact that the FBI 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:24.160 director is stepping down pushed as like an act of 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:28.840 resistance because it means that Trump now has to actually 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.440 go through like Congress to get it done. I don't 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:33.960 know if how much I buy that, how much I 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.040 think that. I think a lot of what I'm seeing 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:38.760 right now from establishment people. And maybe this isn't true 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:41.480 of Ray because I did find some of the arguments 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:43.360 they're compelling, But a lot of what I've seen from 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:48.199 establishment people in politics is they're scared and just really 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.880 try and not to make waves. Yeah, and I think 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.240 that's what you're going to see overwhelmingly. I think that 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:59.200 he's going to probably will not immediately act against the press, 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:02.199 and in a legal sense, as the president, they will 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:04.600 do that, but I think he's going to He's already 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:07.080 suing differently and I think that that's going to be 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:11.000 kind of his his focus there for a while, just 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:13.360 because there's a lot on his plate. But I think 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:16.520 here there will be attempts like the fuck with libel 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:18.480 laws and stuff, especially as things go on. 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:24.280 Okay, several of you have asked about the Android ad 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:27.120 free version subscription channel, and I want you all to 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:30.040 know that it will happen next year. I have been 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:35.199 trying to get this to happen for two years now, 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:43.679 and for unforeseen reasons, it just keeps getting roadblocked. But 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:46.959 it is happening. We're just waiting on a couple of 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:50.480 final things to get into place, so that will be happening, 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:55.320 hopefully very soon into twenty twenty five. I will update 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:58.040 everybody as soon as that's possible. And I'm so sorry 0:10:58.080 --> 0:10:59.679 it's taken so long. I want you to know I 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:05.360 have worked so unbelievably hard on this, miserably hard. 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:09.880 Yeah, we've seen it, Sophie has. It's been a nightmare, 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:13.800 Harder than I have worked on anything else this year. Like, 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:16.800 it's been nuts. Yeah, And here's the thing that sucks 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:18.960 for no reason, no reason, but not that there's no 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:21.040 reason to launch the app. There's a great reason. There's 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:23.480 no reason it should have taken this long. Correct, But 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:27.520 we can't say anymore for reasons that are also equally frustrating. 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:30.120 I'd like to say in general, folks, there's a few 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:31.720 things that get brought up a lot. It's like, why 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:33.760 haven't they done this yet? Why haven't they done this yet? 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:36.880 We're talking like technical things or like you know, things 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.000 like a like a paid subscription, and they're like, why 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:41.080 haven't they gotten around to it yet? And the answer 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:45.240 is always some infuriating bullshit based. 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:47.320 On some bureaucracy bullshit. 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:49.200 Some be rock some legal shit where you're like, you 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:52.320 don't actually realize it's illegal to do this if you 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:55.080 do it this way or whatever, like some sort of 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:58.600 bullshit that makes it impossible. It's not that we want 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:01.760 to make this is it is as possible for people 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:04.720 to have the best listening experience that we can afford 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:07.760 to provide them. But there's a lot of annoying bullshit 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:10.439 that exists for reasons beyond our comprehension. 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:15.240 Sorry, anyways, here's ads. Unless you have an iPhone and 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:28.760 subscribe to color Zone Media on Apple. All right, we're back. 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:33.520 How do you each motivate yourself to write or do 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:36.280 your jobs. I get asked that question all the time, 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:39.560 but I'll let each of you tackle it. While this 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:43.200 is a communally hosted show, I feel like each of 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:47.160 you do very different things, so your answers are going 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:50.920 to be all over the place. So Garrison, Oh. 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:52.960 Well, I mean paying rents a great motivator. 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:59.079 Sure, yes, yes, understated, this is a big thing that 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:01.480 a lot of people who want to be writers but 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:03.800 have never done it for a living. Miss is that 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:05.959 all of your favorite writers who do it for a living, 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:09.240 a big part of how they get over fucking writer's 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:12.640 block is they have to pay rent or mortgage. Yeah, 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:14.120 it turns out that helps. 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:17.880 It's it's it's a quite compelling motivator, and sometimes it 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:23.560 has required the assistance of you know, caffeine or other things. 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:27.360 I have a variety of playlists to help me in 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:31.120 when I'm in like different moods. I definitely will about 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:34.679 you know, maybe twice a month, I just do a complete, 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:38.000 like a complete body check to my sleep schedule to 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:40.520 get a special project finished. And that's just kind of 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:42.719 part of the deal, at least in terms of how 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:45.840 I work, and not everyone does it this way. Though 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:47.720 maybe maybe people are more healthy than me. 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:49.080 Yeah for me. 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:52.520 Okay, So the easiest way something gets done is just 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:56.760 pure rage. I can just do it like. 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:59.600 It just comes out. The anger is a great motivator. 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:04.520 The other fun one is pure joy as something funny happening, 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:07.920 Like this is the shinzo Abe assassination. The easiest writing 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:09.600 I've ever done in my lifetimes. 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:10.480 It just flows. 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:13.560 Yeah. 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:16.440 Other times it's just like there's a deadline and everyone 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:18.200 is counting on me, and I have to get it out, 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:21.000 and I've gotten to the right level of sleep deprivation 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:22.040 where I can just do it. 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:23.240 That's right, That's right. 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:23.760 Yeah. 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:28.000 But I also think, you know, there's obviously like health insurance, 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:30.240 which is sort of a joke given our health insurance. 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:34.040 But yeah, and then the last thing, and this is 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:38.120 the sort of the serious one, is that like this, 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:40.880 you know, I mean I do some organizing stuff too, 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:44.400 but like this, this is the thing that I have 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:47.400 to do that can materially affect the world. Which is 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:50.080 a very very weird thing to say about a podcast. 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:52.640 But I've seen it happen, right, I've seen all of 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:56.880 you go and do things that wouldn't have happened and 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.760 I've had. You know, it's a weird situation, right because 0:14:59.880 --> 0:15:02.400 my my motivation for doing this stuff is the chance 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:05.760 that you will make the world better. But I've seen 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:08.640 it happen, and I have to continue to believe that 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:10.400 the thing that I've been doing for all these years 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:14.120 is project of building a very large hammer and deploying 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:17.360 it against our enemies can work and will work. And 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:19.800 that is you know, that's how I get out of 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:22.360 bed every morning, is we're building the hammer and we're 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:22.840 swinging it. 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:24.880 Yeah, that's a great way to put it. 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:27.760 Very large hammer will be a banging name for a podcast. 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:30.440 I agree, Yeah, I agree. 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:33.680 Yeah, there's a there's a great speech in the comic 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:37.920 series trans Metropolitan about how journalism is a gun that 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:40.920 you you wire up to your eyes and your ears 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:44.400 and several other organs in order to shoot at the world. 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:48.360 And that's I think a good way to keep yourself 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:50.680 doing it when it feels like you're just shouting into 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:51.120 a void. 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:51.880 Yeah. 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:53.840 I really like the process of writing. 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:56.680 I like telling stories like that makes me happy and 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:57.640 I feel. 0:15:57.400 --> 0:15:59.400 So lucky I can do it for my job. 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:03.800 I don't ticularly like like receiving trauma, which I also 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:07.560 do for yob but. 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:11.640 Like, really it can be sometimes I can't sleep. 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:14.600 So many people trusted me with their stories, especially this year, 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.360 that they didn't have to and sometimes a great personal risk, 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.840 and it's a massive privilege that they trusted me with 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:22.840 those stories, and I think I owe it to them 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:25.360 to do my best to tell those stories as well 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:29.760 as I can. Yeah, and like as Mia said, it 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:33.000 has materially changed the world, like the amount of people 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:34.880 who listened to our podcasts and came to the border 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:37.600 to help last year when we really desperately needed help, 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:40.880 people who just like on Sunday Night, gave their money, 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:42.760 which I know none of us have enough money right 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:46.000 now to help people who are displaced in Rushaba. Like 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:49.840 all that stuff really makes it feel like if you 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:52.320 tell a good enough story, people will care. That's always 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:54.360 what I felt like, if you could just get people 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:56.480 to see it, if people could be there, they would care, 0:16:57.040 --> 0:17:00.320 and if they care enough, they'll do something. Then I've 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:03.640 seen that be true with people who listen to the show, 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:05.800 and that really makes me happy, So I want to 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:06.359 keep doing that. 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:09.960 Yeah, for me, it's two part answer. The first part 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:14.440 is that I genuinely give a shit about everything that 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:21.000 we put out and what we do is not really 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:27.720 while it is a job, it matters so much. And 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:31.639 the second part is if I don't do my job, 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:36.280 the amount of people's lives that that impacts is a 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:40.320 lot of fucking people, and I give a shit about 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:44.240 each and every one of them. So I'm gonna keep 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:47.160 doing my job so that everybody else can keep doing 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:49.760 their job and maybe we make a difference in this world, 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:55.879 this fucked up, crumbly world. Robert, did you have anything 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:58.399 to add? You were speaking and then nice talked, I. 0:17:58.480 --> 0:17:59.960 Have did I already not give an answer? 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.000 You gave an answer, that's why, but you were starting 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:02.439 to speak. 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:05.320 Oh yeah, I do it for the fame, baby. 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:15.240 Great. Next, What episode or episodes were your favorite this 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:16.840 year to make or otherwise? 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:18.720 Yeah? 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:22.600 My favorite this year We're definitely James's series from the 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:27.640 Darien Gap. That was an incredible series. I'm so unbelievably 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:30.400 proud of it. Yeah, James had been trying to do 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:33.439 that work for a long time, and I'm I'm happy 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:36.119 that we were able to fund it and James was 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:40.240 able to do the incredible reporting that he did. I'm 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:43.520 also quite proud of Robert Garrison and I surviving the 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:45.879 RNC and d n C and C. 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:52.119 Was a good time, like legitimately. 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:53.479 Great time, pulling the worst people in the world. 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:57.560 It was the d n C that fucked me up. Yeah, yeah, same. 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:00.320 I was like destroyed emotionally after the d see. 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:03.720 Yeah, the DNC was really a huge bummer. And then 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:07.600 MIAs covered some of the most important labor stories that 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:13.159 like nobody covers absolutely yeah, and like without those genuinely 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:17.640 like nobody covers like small labor stories or big labor stories, 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:20.600 and she's always on top of that beat. And yeah, 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:26.040 I also really just like Robert's don't Panic episode something 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:31.160 some great writing, my friend, I answered, Now everybody else 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:34.200 has to, Well, I'll start with Miyah. 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:38.480 There's weirdly a few this year cool I normally isn't 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:40.240 I like the Boeing ones that was fun. 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:41.400 Yeah. 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:44.280 The one that was most emotionally impactful for me was 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:48.560 getting to interview doctor Julia Serrano, who if you haven't 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:50.160 listened to that episode, go listen to it. 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:50.840 Great book. 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:55.760 Yeah, Whipping Girl is the book that literally created a 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:59.879 bunch of the like like the concept of misgendering is 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:02.720 from that book, right, Like like the language that we 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:07.240 used to talk about Transnist today is directly her and 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:09.240 so few people who ever read the book, so a 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:12.520 few people even know who she is, and getting a 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:15.919 chance to talk to her was like incredible. And I'm 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:18.000 also really happy about the organizing one that I did, 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:20.440 because I've gotten so many messages from people who were 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:23.600 just like, I, oh, wait, my knitting is useful to organizing, 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:26.200 And I'm like, yes, yes it is, you're knitting. You're 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:28.119 so incredible, staggeringly useful. 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:29.960 Yeah, so I'm proud of that one. 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:34.520 Yeah, let's take a quick break then, Garrison, Robert James, 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:48.879 you can answer that question and we're back. James, how 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:49.280 about you. 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:55.280 I'm proud of doing the Darien ones. I think, like, 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:59.000 I'm so happy that we finally got to a place 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:01.840 where like we could do that, where we could fund that, 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:04.160 Like I've been trying to do that, like I said, 0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:05.119 for nearly. 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:06.520 A decade, and. 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:10.760 Yeah, it's been hard, and it continues to be hard, 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:12.760 like one of the people you heard from in those 0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:16.840 episodes got deported last week then, so like it continues 0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:20.320 to kind of be emotionally difficult. But I really liked 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:22.480 how many people messaged me and were like, I sent 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:27.399 this to my father, uncle, not just dudes aunts and 0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:30.240 their mum's too, I'm sure, and think non binary relatives, 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:32.320 but like, well maybe not because they sent it to 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:36.080 their right wing relatives and they like learned some compassion. 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:38.480 That's always what you want to do, Like I said before, 0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:40.160 you want people to see it so that they care 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:42.000 and so they understand it and they don't just get 0:21:42.000 --> 0:21:45.080 this stupid Fox News bullshit racism stuff, and. 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:46.520 So yeah, that may be really happy. 0:21:46.680 --> 0:21:48.360 The reason we're all different on this, by the way, 0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:50.440 is because we have not done a Come twenty twenty 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:52.600 four episode, and if we had, this would have been 0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:54.000 a much much shorter segment. 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:57.120 James, let me just tell you, I think we can 0:21:57.160 --> 0:21:59.520 all look forward to all white Christmas this year. 0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:01.879 Jesus mother. 0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:07.159 Set him up. It's my own fault. 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:16.240 Wow, I guess I'll go now. I'll just short clean 0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:17.800 out the aftertaste of that. 0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:21.359 So it's worse. 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:28.040 I think I started out pretty strong with police drones, 0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:31.280 even more topical as we record this now as New 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:33.879 Jersey is about to get completely abducted I think by 0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:35.320 alien aircraft. 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:37.399 Yeah, there's no one left in New Jersey. 0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:41.320 Now they've all been taken away by all these unidentified drone. 0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:43.359 That actually happened three days ago. It just took a 0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:45.320 long time for the rest of the country to notice 0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:49.320 or care. Breece Springsteen hasn't made a song about it. 0:22:49.680 --> 0:22:50.720 We have no way of known. 0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:54.480 Besides the mass hysteria of the New Jersey drone panic. 0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:57.239 Police drones are a real problem, and those are going 0:22:57.320 --> 0:23:00.359 to be increasingly so. I was happy with my porting 0:23:01.080 --> 0:23:04.080 on that at CES, and then I guess I mean 0:23:04.400 --> 0:23:07.719 to echo Sophie. I had a great time at the RNC. 0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:11.399 It's fun, a sentence I never thought I would say, yeah, 0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:13.920 And particularly the R and C Grinder episode, I still 0:23:13.920 --> 0:23:15.480 think is Bruce pretty is pretty good. 0:23:15.680 --> 0:23:19.439 It's pretty great. The amount of places that Garrison and 0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:22.840 I snuck into at the rn C a time. 0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:25.879 It was really dangerous too, because I was having to 0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:28.760 like do my RNC research next to Robert and Sophie 0:23:28.800 --> 0:23:31.520 the whole time, and oh boy, it's like a minefield 0:23:31.600 --> 0:23:32.200 scrolling through. 0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:37.840 That app effects an experience, to say the least. Any 0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:40.679 thoughts on the proposed twenty twenty eight general strike, How 0:23:40.720 --> 0:23:42.160 are people feeling about that? 0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:45.240 I'll start with Mia, Yeah, I mean it's it's a 0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:48.880 pretty good idea, Like there's definitely sort of and I'm 0:23:48.920 --> 0:23:51.440 immediately going into this nacying a little bit. There's definitely 0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:53.720 problems with it. It's going to be extremely hard to 0:23:53.800 --> 0:23:56.879 execute because we just don't have a modern history of 0:23:56.920 --> 0:23:58.320 doing that in the US, and even some of the 0:23:58.320 --> 0:24:00.919 success so ones in the last decade that people have 0:24:00.960 --> 0:24:04.240 pulled off haven't been that effective. But on the other hand, 0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:06.359 as something that we you know, a concrete thing that 0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:10.239 we have to organize towards that has a bunch of 0:24:10.600 --> 0:24:14.879 like pretty large unions behind it. Already, I did an 0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:17.760 episode about that a few weeks ago. I don't know, 0:24:17.800 --> 0:24:19.600 a couple months ago. I don't remember when I did 0:24:19.600 --> 0:24:22.760 this episode. I'm sorry, I can't remember anything you've ever done. 0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:26.719 But I think I think it's a good opportunity to 0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:29.280 connect a whole bunch of different kinds of organizing together, 0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:32.160 both in terms of sort of labor and in terms 0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:35.240 of the support work you need for that. So yeah, 0:24:35.240 --> 0:24:36.280 cautiously optimistic. 0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:38.359 Anyone else have anything they want to add? 0:24:38.680 --> 0:24:41.000 The time to start figuring out those logistics, like is 0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:43.520 now it's it's not waiting till twenty twenty seven. 0:24:43.720 --> 0:24:47.199 Yeah, I agree, Garrison. I think that the fact that 0:24:47.240 --> 0:24:51.320 there are serious people who represent serious unions talking about 0:24:51.320 --> 0:24:54.200 it is part of way. It's one of the things 0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:56.480 that does give me a degree of hope. We're going 0:24:56.520 --> 0:24:59.080 to have to start working now towards it. It's not 0:24:59.160 --> 0:25:01.560 going to be so in any way, shape or form. 0:25:01.640 --> 0:25:04.159 If they see it coming, they are going to start 0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:08.359 trying to criminalize things preemptively. If it is something that 0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:11.640 even looks like a real possibility, they're going to come 0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:13.679 after it with everything they've got. And it's one of 0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:20.240 those things where maybe if the midterms go well for Democrats, 0:25:20.480 --> 0:25:24.040 maybe Democrats stop that, But it's just as plausible and 0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:27.280 probably more plausible, that Democrats line up with Republicans to 0:25:27.320 --> 0:25:29.040 attempt to criminalize something like that. 0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:33.360 Yeah, it's strained to be seeing something like this organized 0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:34.480 so far off like it. 0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:37.280 Yes, it's not something where any of us are familiar with, 0:25:37.400 --> 0:25:39.720 which it has to be to be clear. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, 0:25:39.720 --> 0:25:40.200 it has to. 0:25:40.160 --> 0:25:43.520 Be barring, like an actual coup. That's the only way 0:25:43.560 --> 0:25:45.960 you get a general strike, right like, either something so 0:25:47.160 --> 0:25:50.280 earth shattering that everyone so that everyone's ready to risk 0:25:50.280 --> 0:25:52.520 it because they're already in danger or yeah, you take 0:25:52.560 --> 0:25:54.040 the time when you plan that you do it properly. 0:25:54.400 --> 0:25:56.080 But it's just not something we're familiar with. I love 0:25:56.080 --> 0:25:58.439 the general strike. I'm always going to support a general strike. 0:25:59.080 --> 0:26:01.720 I'm excited to see a general strike. But yeah, we 0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:02.800 have to put in the work now. 0:26:03.400 --> 0:26:07.879 Yeah, the only responsible way to characterize the organized left 0:26:07.960 --> 0:26:10.880 in the United States is a complete and utter failure. 0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:14.080 Like it has been a calamity for the causes that 0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:18.960 it seeks to represent. And a lot of that is 0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:22.960 because of like fucking bullshit online clicktivism. You know, we're 0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:25.400 all going to do a general strike. Everybody, get ready 0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:27.400 next week, We're going to do it. You know, shit 0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:31.239 like that is. It's just so deeply unseerious. And if 0:26:31.240 --> 0:26:34.240 we're going to take the momentum and the energy that 0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:37.719 exists in the number of people who are angry and 0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:40.000 who you know, and that number of people will be 0:26:40.080 --> 0:26:45.080 increasing as the consequences of conservative policies hit home by 0:26:45.119 --> 0:26:49.439 twenty twenty eight, Like, it has to be something taken 0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:53.960 deadly seriously by very serious people who are thinking through 0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:58.040 the consequences and what's necessary in order to make this feasible. 0:26:58.119 --> 0:27:02.919 You know, and last, do each of you have you 0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:06.440 know a movie or a book or something you would 0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:07.280 like to recommend. 0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:10.760 In twenty twenty five, when I finished my books, you 0:27:10.760 --> 0:27:12.600 should buy it, yes, but. 0:27:12.760 --> 0:27:13.800 Read General Strike. 0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:17.280 I've been reading a book called Platentive, which is in English, 0:27:17.320 --> 0:27:20.119 but it's about how San Francisco doc workers block to 0:27:20.200 --> 0:27:24.200 shipment of weapons to El Salvador and it just seems 0:27:24.240 --> 0:27:27.080 a very relevant book. And they did it to Pinochet 0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:30.159 as well. It's easy to read and like. It just 0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:32.720 reminded me how important labor organizing is going to be 0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:34.600 in the next four years and how powerful it can 0:27:34.680 --> 0:27:36.840 be too. So I'll give that one a little plug. 0:27:37.200 --> 0:27:37.680 Excellent. 0:27:38.000 --> 0:27:40.200 There's a film called The End Will Be Spectacular which 0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:44.320 is about the Kurdish use movement in Northern Kurdistan in Turkey. 0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:47.639 It's a really good film. I think of understand to 0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:50.400 help you understand the Kurdish freedom movement, and it's worth 0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:52.600 a watch. It's not like a necessarily a happy, feel 0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:55.000 good film, but I think it's worth a watch. Fifty 0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:57.399 if you've recently become interested in that because of what 0:27:57.440 --> 0:27:58.440 you've heard on the podcast. 0:27:58.960 --> 0:28:02.679 Yeah, yeah, I have a couple, so I'm trans fiction pilled. 0:28:02.840 --> 0:28:06.080 Right now, you've given you fiction for trans authors. 0:28:05.960 --> 0:28:08.480 Would you say you're transfixed? Wow? 0:28:09.200 --> 0:28:09.840 I walked. 0:28:09.920 --> 0:28:15.480 I walked right into that one, like drove directly into it, 0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:17.119 like JFK's head into that bullet. 0:28:17.320 --> 0:28:18.520 Oh my god. 0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:20.760 Wow. 0:28:20.840 --> 0:28:22.560 We spent a lot of time with each other. 0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:26.040 Yeah. 0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:28.280 The first one I wanted to talk about is The 0:28:28.280 --> 0:28:30.800 gun Runner and Her Hound by Maria Ying, which is 0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:33.800 the pen name of a couple of authors. Okay, so 0:28:33.920 --> 0:28:36.920 it's this is a This is an absolutely unhinged lesbian 0:28:36.960 --> 0:28:39.560 book about a lesbian crime ward and here a do 0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:42.840 bodyguard who is also a lesbian, and it rules. Uh, 0:28:43.000 --> 0:28:46.320 there's a whole sort of like post apocalypse US thing 0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:48.720 going on, but they're still in like civilized Hong Kong. 0:28:49.240 --> 0:28:52.400 It's awesome, it's great. It's you need you need war 0:28:52.480 --> 0:28:55.960 on hinge lesbians in your life, go read this. The 0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:58.720 the other one is One of the Boys. This is 0:28:58.920 --> 0:29:02.520 Forthcoming is going to release May thirteen, twenty twenty five, 0:29:03.240 --> 0:29:07.000 by Victoria Zeller, and it's about a trans girl who's 0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:09.920 like the kicker on her football team and she has 0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:12.160 to like leave the team because she transitions, but then 0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:14.440 the team needs her back. They don't have a kicker, 0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:17.160 and it's it's fun, it's it's a good time, so 0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:18.880 you should get that when it comes out. 0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:21.720 Yeah. So I'm actually right now in the middle of 0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:23.760 a book that I found myself surprised by how much 0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:26.800 I've liked. It's called When Paris Went Dark, and it 0:29:26.880 --> 0:29:30.640 is a history of the occupation of Paris under the Nazis. 0:29:30.840 --> 0:29:35.440 That is a really fascinating social history by Ronald rose 0:29:35.480 --> 0:29:39.280 Bottom that I found very like, emotionally affecting, especially in 0:29:39.400 --> 0:29:43.040 light of, you know, some things going on, and yeah, 0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:46.880 just kind of a fascinating look at the psychology of 0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:50.520 a people, of like of a of an entire people 0:29:51.040 --> 0:29:54.240 kind of grappling with what's about to happen to them 0:29:54.400 --> 0:29:56.760 in the wake of the failure of the French army 0:29:56.840 --> 0:29:59.680 and then what happens next. And then I would also 0:29:59.720 --> 0:30:03.640 reckon Men Setting the Desert on Fire by James Barr, 0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:07.840 which is one of the books about te Lawrence that 0:30:07.920 --> 0:30:12.479 I cited in the Te Lawrence episodes. If you are 0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:15.480 at all interested in the realities of needing to fight 0:30:15.560 --> 0:30:16.440 an insurgent war. 0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:20.720 Here, I guess just two recent things I've enjoyed. Finally 0:30:20.960 --> 0:30:27.440 finished the Steppenwolf by Herman Hess. Yes, I enjoyed that deeply. 0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:31.000 It kind of it kind of my picked my twin 0:30:31.000 --> 0:30:33.880 Peaks the Return Brain. So that was that was pleasant 0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:39.600 for and for a more recent release, Luca Guardaghino's new 0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:43.880 movie Queer, adapting the short story by William S. 0:30:43.880 --> 0:30:44.240 Burrows. 0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:49.680 I found this movie to be utterly fascinating and transfixing, 0:30:49.840 --> 0:30:53.440 to use the term from me, Robert. I don't have 0:30:53.520 --> 0:30:55.440 much else to say about it because I would rather 0:30:55.480 --> 0:30:58.080 people just watch it and take away what they want 0:30:58.120 --> 0:31:00.520 to themselves. But it got me thinking a lot about 0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:05.640 the lack of meaning inherent to identity and why I 0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:08.920 hate the term queer bodies. So yeah, good. 0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:13.000 Movie, awesome. I just have one movie to recommend, and 0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:16.120 it's one of my favorite movies of all time, the 0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:21.200 original nineteen seventy three, seventy two, so seventy three, seventy three, 0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:25.280 The Wicker Man, not the fucking Nicholas Cage version, the 0:31:25.400 --> 0:31:29.520 original version. And if you have a local theater that 0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:32.440 plays old movies a lot of times, they'll play it 0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:36.080 in theaters, and I highly recommend that experience. It's really fun, 0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:39.360 especially at the end. I see it in theaters or 0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:41.360 watch it at least once or twice a year and 0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:44.760 vibes are good. Yeah, that's it for a Q and 0:31:44.800 --> 0:32:04.520 A episode. Thanks for submitting, and goodbye, Welcome to it 0:32:04.560 --> 0:32:08.000 could happen here. This is our twenty twenty five Predictions episode. 0:32:08.080 --> 0:32:11.760 We were starting to bicker off Bike about what we 0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:13.680 predicted last year, and I was talking about the things 0:32:13.680 --> 0:32:16.360 we predicted, and one of the things I predicted early on, 0:32:16.400 --> 0:32:19.560 I was like, I think Kim Kardashian will be part 0:32:19.600 --> 0:32:25.320 of the Trump cabinet, and like, honestly goals at this point, 0:32:25.720 --> 0:32:29.960 but I'm not that far off though, because essentially what 0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:32.320 he has done is he's basically tried to go for 0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:34.800 people that are good on TV. It's true, It's true, 0:32:35.000 --> 0:32:39.120 and like going off of that reality TV energy. 0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:42.760 Finally we will acknowledge the Armenian genocide. 0:32:43.920 --> 0:32:46.280 I was I was vibing, okay, James, I. 0:32:46.280 --> 0:32:50.520 Was vibing genocide. 0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:57.760 Just James, all right, Viba side God all right? Mia 0:32:57.800 --> 0:33:01.360 woggs here, I'm Bred Garrison's here, James Stout's here, and 0:33:01.440 --> 0:33:03.640 the dishonorable Robert Evans is also here. 0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:06.880 I judge that nickname bad Jesus Christ. 0:33:07.000 --> 0:33:11.080 Wow, let's let's go over some of our terrible twenty 0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:15.200 twenty four predictions just briefly. Now, Unfortunately there was a 0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:17.520 lot of election ones which were very sad to listen to. 0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:22.560 Oh no, now, we were correct about many things we did. 0:33:22.600 --> 0:33:25.600 We did talk about how Harris would probably be a 0:33:25.640 --> 0:33:28.640 really bad candidate to run against Trump. Totally forgot about that. 0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:34.800 We did. We did huge for us. Yeah, for the country. 0:33:35.880 --> 0:33:38.320 That brief period of time when Biden stepped down, it 0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:40.560 really felt like it might be I mean, she did 0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:43.080 better than he would have done. Yeah. 0:33:43.120 --> 0:33:45.120 Well, I think that's just because we were still just 0:33:45.160 --> 0:33:49.400 reeling from that debate, because so bad that like anything 0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:51.280 was like, oh my god, there's like a life. 0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:54.200 Look at how she can walk thirty forty feet at 0:33:54.200 --> 0:33:57.640 a time, exact exact sentence. Good God. 0:33:58.040 --> 0:34:01.000 None of us picked Vance specifically at that point in time, 0:34:01.040 --> 0:34:04.960 but we did pinpoint Trump's orbit and his like campaign 0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:10.000 like hmmm crew pretty well, like Mia predicted that RFK 0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:12.480 Junior could be a Trump VP pick, and though he 0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:15.279 didn't become VP, he essentially kind of took over the 0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:18.279 VP like campaigning role from Vans in. 0:34:18.200 --> 0:34:21.239 Like August Ye was so bad at it. 0:34:22.000 --> 0:34:24.439 We all decided that like Vivec was simply like way 0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:27.000 too loud and like obnoxious. So Trump would like find 0:34:27.000 --> 0:34:29.839 some other spot for him. Stand by that, And that's 0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:31.640 what happened. He's still in the orbit, but he's not 0:34:31.680 --> 0:34:35.560 super close. So if he talked about possibly Christine nome 0:34:36.280 --> 0:34:39.520 As is getting LinkedIn with Trump maybe for VP. Now 0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:43.200 that didn't happen for VP, but christineoam is in the cabinet. 0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:44.759 Good job passed me. 0:34:45.120 --> 0:34:47.520 Yeah, and Robert said that he would not be shocked 0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:56.240 if Trump got close with Tulca Gabbert and other less 0:34:56.239 --> 0:34:59.759 good predictions I predicted that a daily wire host would 0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:04.560 get unfortunately did not come to pass. There's still time. 0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:06.840 It's still twenty twenty fours, right. 0:35:07.000 --> 0:35:08.640 Not when this airs, not when this air. 0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:13.920 Yes, Kim Kardashian getting into politics didn't really happen, she 0:35:14.000 --> 0:35:16.880 kind of stated at her regular coast level. Sorry, Sophie 0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:17.839 so far. 0:35:18.160 --> 0:35:21.480 Trust me. She did all those things when Trump was 0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:23.360 elected the first time, where all of a sudden she was, 0:35:23.440 --> 0:35:26.440 like with other lawyers trying to get people out of 0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:29.040 jail by utilizing Trump. 0:35:29.200 --> 0:35:31.080 Yeah, I mean, and she was doing that with the 0:35:31.120 --> 0:35:34.240 Biden campaign as well, not as visible a Harris campaign. 0:35:34.600 --> 0:35:37.360 She was meeting with Harris multiple times. She kind of 0:35:37.360 --> 0:35:40.040 stayed at this like distant but like talkative place. 0:35:40.640 --> 0:35:43.680 That's the Kardashian way, distant and talkative. 0:35:45.280 --> 0:35:48.799 Speaking of speaking of your other prediction was that people 0:35:48.800 --> 0:35:52.040 would start forgetting about the Nazi stuff and Kanye would 0:35:52.040 --> 0:35:57.160 put out a well received album, which kind of happened. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:35:57.200 --> 0:35:57.680 a little bit. 0:35:58.000 --> 0:36:01.080 God, I haven't thought about Kanye so many months. It 0:36:01.160 --> 0:36:05.480 was really nice, well, really nice, thanks Garrison. 0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:10.480 Lastly, my failed prediction is that if Trump won the election, 0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:12.879 that there would be two solid weeks of writing which 0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:13.920 simply did not happen. 0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:15.400 Yes, nothing happened. 0:36:15.600 --> 0:36:18.640 I think it's actually kind of interesting, and we will 0:36:18.680 --> 0:36:21.880 maybe unpack that in the coming months as Trump's second 0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:24.560 term kind of settles in. I'm sure we will kind 0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:28.240 of revisit why we think this did not happen. Certainly, 0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:30.960 I'm curious about what inauguration Day will look like. But 0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:35.920 but yeah, that was a lot so sorry. Morsey is 0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:39.560 still alive, David David Scavenger is still alive, Putin is 0:36:39.640 --> 0:36:42.920 still alive, and though James did say that Asad would 0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:46.879 eat it, and though a sawd didn't die, he kind 0:36:46.880 --> 0:36:47.640 of did eat it. 0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:52.480 Well, yeah, I mean, James, Yeah, that's that's not gonna 0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:56.399 be the biggest dub of the year. Yeah, that's right. 0:36:56.680 --> 0:37:00.560 Damn I forgot no one about that. Really happy with myself. 0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:02.240 Now, James, I'm so proud of you, buddy. 0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:05.839 You got to pick another one this year. Yeah, may 0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:07.800 on long, baby, he's next. 0:37:09.000 --> 0:37:12.480 Let's I guess let's start with some kind of dictator predictions. 0:37:12.600 --> 0:37:15.000 What do we think will happen to like a dictator 0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:16.960 in twenty twenty five. 0:37:17.120 --> 0:37:18.880 Which is Hace is gonna die? Do we think go 0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:20.480 just general dictator predictions? 0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:24.279 Dictator predictions. It can be maybe we get a new one, 0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:26.200 you know, maybe we get a new fancy one. 0:37:26.280 --> 0:37:28.920 Yeah, well I don't know. Yeah, something's happening in January. 0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:31.879 I have two well one of them, I mean it's 0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:33.520 kind of a hack one, but I don't think. I 0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:35.560 don't think the June to memr makes out of twenty 0:37:35.600 --> 0:37:39.000 twenty five. Yeah, I think not in the version is today. Yeah, 0:37:39.040 --> 0:37:41.640 that's the hack one. The the other one is another 0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:44.000 assad one. Is I think someone actually does assassinate a 0:37:44.080 --> 0:37:46.560 sod Well, he's like like he he gets too full 0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:48.239 of himself and he goes to Abi Dabi and some 0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:50.000 Mosan brotherhood guy just wax him. 0:37:50.239 --> 0:37:51.440 Yep, okay. 0:37:51.680 --> 0:37:54.520 May Assaud prediction is he becomes a Russia Today host. 0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:56.640 That's my assad prediction. 0:37:57.000 --> 0:37:58.480 Oh my gosh. 0:37:58.680 --> 0:38:02.120 Yeah, he's going to open his ophthalmology clinic. 0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:05.120 No, I mean I think he's going to get signed 0:38:05.520 --> 0:38:09.040 to host a podcast by a little a little network 0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:13.400 you might have heard of called cool Zone Media. Congratulations, guys, 0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:15.319 let's bring him on. So if you get him on 0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:16.960 the get him on the zoom, tell him you can 0:38:17.120 --> 0:38:24.719 kick an hop in the room. Now for sure, baby. 0:38:23.120 --> 0:38:26.240 We are merging with Tennant Media to bring up our friend. 0:38:28.400 --> 0:38:33.399 Yeah, welcome to the Podsha. He's actually doing a whole 0:38:33.440 --> 0:38:35.839 media tour with the Pod Save guys next week. That's 0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:36.879 got to be fascinating. 0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:42.640 Pod Save bathis Siria the most cursed podcast in the world. 0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:48.160 My Dictator slash world Leader prediction is that despite being 0:38:48.200 --> 0:38:52.160 Nen Yahoo's I was thinking, yeah, last ride. 0:38:52.120 --> 0:38:56.440 From your mouth to whatever fucking clot is working its 0:38:56.480 --> 0:38:59.800 way through his coronary sy in a year. 0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:03.640 I really fucking hope. I'm really fucking hope. I'm right, 0:39:05.400 --> 0:39:05.880 we all do. 0:39:05.920 --> 0:39:07.280 I don't know what else to say there? 0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:11.319 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a big thing for 0:39:11.360 --> 0:39:11.640 the world. 0:39:12.280 --> 0:39:12.480 Yeah. 0:39:12.520 --> 0:39:15.640 I mean we are verging into not doing predictions, just 0:39:15.640 --> 0:39:16.640 doing hopes and dreams. 0:39:16.880 --> 0:39:19.000 Yeah. Well I did Morrissey like that last year. We 0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:20.040 didn't get it, and I'm sack. 0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:22.200 We need some hopes and dreams out in the world. 0:39:22.239 --> 0:39:24.040 I fair enough. 0:39:24.400 --> 0:39:28.240 Yeah, do you know what else? We need team money 0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:40.840 from these advertisers. That's right, and we. 0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:44.320 Are back, all right, Garrison, what's next? 0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:48.000 So usually in the middle of these prediction episodes, I 0:39:48.400 --> 0:39:53.080 like doing our like third annual death segment, who do 0:39:53.080 --> 0:39:54.920 we think will die? And I guess we kin we 0:39:55.000 --> 0:39:57.120 kind of touched on this briefly, but I don't think 0:39:57.160 --> 0:39:59.240 we we actually secure death for any of those people 0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:01.480 in our prediction, just that they would, you know, have 0:40:01.600 --> 0:40:05.719 circumstances change, though for this year's death segment we have. 0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:09.360 We have a bit of a twist. So it turns 0:40:09.360 --> 0:40:13.920 out about two years ago, on Spotify Wrapped Day, we 0:40:14.040 --> 0:40:17.800 all woke up to the news that both Angela BATTLEMENTI 0:40:17.920 --> 0:40:21.759 was embarrassingly my number one Spotify artist that year, but 0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:28.280 also that Henry Kissinger died honey, and this Spotify rap. Today, 0:40:29.200 --> 0:40:32.880 we will come to the news that the United Healthcare 0:40:33.239 --> 0:40:39.200 CEO was gunned down in New York City. So Spotify 0:40:39.360 --> 0:40:41.960 rapped twenty twenty five Who's dying? 0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:43.759 Who's dying on. 0:40:45.960 --> 0:40:49.040 Spotify rap to day? So this is what late November, 0:40:49.160 --> 0:40:55.480 early December, we don't really know. Spotify rapped death day predictions. 0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:59.960 So long, farewell, Love Eider saying goodbye, Mitch McCall. 0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:05.520 Oh, that's a good one. That's an easy one. But okay, 0:41:05.800 --> 0:41:06.640 I'll give it to you. 0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:09.879 I'm thinking, like, who's got to get through most of 0:41:09.920 --> 0:41:13.280 the year but not finish it out. You know, it's tough. 0:41:13.719 --> 0:41:16.560 I'm gonna make my call tye up resip air to one. 0:41:16.719 --> 0:41:19.960 You know. That's that's that's my hope. That's a long shot. 0:41:20.000 --> 0:41:21.960 I know, yes, he doesn't seem like he's in bad health, 0:41:22.040 --> 0:41:22.959 but that's a big one. 0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:26.360 Kissinger was a long shot too, because he was like 0:41:26.520 --> 0:41:27.760 arguably immortals. 0:41:27.800 --> 0:41:29.960 He'd kept living for so fucking long. 0:41:30.320 --> 0:41:36.960 Ah, so long, farewell, Love Eater, say goodbye Musk. 0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:39.840 I was gonna say that I think he might die. 0:41:40.040 --> 0:41:41.719 You think we're finally gonna get that drug over do. 0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:44.920 So I just he just seems to be spiraling so 0:41:45.120 --> 0:41:45.840 hard right. 0:41:45.680 --> 0:41:47.120 Now, the spiral's mad real. 0:41:47.239 --> 0:41:49.520 Yeah, he's getting everything he wants though, but I mean 0:41:49.520 --> 0:41:50.480 that that also. 0:41:50.320 --> 0:41:51.400 It's It's true. 0:41:52.280 --> 0:41:56.680 Sometimes that's dangerous, Yeah, especially if you are addicted to 0:41:56.840 --> 0:41:59.960 a drug that you can get in unlimited peer quantities 0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:01.880 and no one will ever say no to handing it 0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:02.120 to you. 0:42:02.600 --> 0:42:05.520 We have some more must predictions for later on the episode. Okay, 0:42:05.960 --> 0:42:08.840 but I can see of some, you know, like fantously 0:42:08.920 --> 0:42:12.479 the Secret Service, you know, not not great at hiding 0:42:12.520 --> 0:42:15.440 there own drug problems. I can I can see possibly 0:42:15.680 --> 0:42:18.440 with Musk entering a new level of comfort, maybe the 0:42:18.520 --> 0:42:21.480 spiraling a little, a little too far out of his control. 0:42:21.600 --> 0:42:24.319 He and two Secret Service ations are found dead with 0:42:24.440 --> 0:42:25.760 fitnyl infected blow. 0:42:28.920 --> 0:42:35.920 Maybe a SpaceX launch goes really wrong. Who's to say? 0:42:36.440 --> 0:42:39.960 Who's to say? Damn? I gotta think of who? Who? 0:42:40.040 --> 0:42:42.520 My who? My Spotify Rapped Day death is. 0:42:42.719 --> 0:42:47.320 I have a long shot. Oh yeah, My long shot 0:42:47.520 --> 0:42:51.760 is that sometime on Spotify rap Day, JK Rolling sees 0:42:51.800 --> 0:42:54.279 a trans woman just like existing and gets so mad, 0:42:54.360 --> 0:42:55.560 he has an aneurysm and dies. 0:42:55.560 --> 0:42:59.960 No, she's looking through the Spotify wraps and she knows 0:43:00.440 --> 0:43:03.200 that trans would make the best music, and she she 0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:06.719 sees it, gets so mad she just she just kills over. 0:43:08.080 --> 0:43:12.239 She transvestigates every single female artist on the Spotify rap 0:43:12.280 --> 0:43:14.759 list and dies of sleep deprivation doing so. 0:43:15.000 --> 0:43:17.160 Her her own fans start transvestigating her. 0:43:17.920 --> 0:43:20.360 This is the edge. 0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:24.120 Okay, I have a real long shot here, but I 0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:27.080 can see how it could happen. So we're we're in. 0:43:27.160 --> 0:43:29.840 We're in like what like month, month ten eleven of 0:43:29.920 --> 0:43:35.120 Trump term two. Right, the right wing nazi content creators 0:43:35.120 --> 0:43:38.600 are settling, are settling into their into their kind of groove. 0:43:38.920 --> 0:43:41.840 Some of them aren't really happy at Trump, not like 0:43:42.320 --> 0:43:44.319 you know, carrying on all of all of his big 0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:49.920 lofty promises. And one one disgruntled fan of Nick Fuentes 0:43:50.920 --> 0:43:56.000 does something crazy on Spotify rapped day, and that's that's 0:43:56.040 --> 0:43:59.800 that's my prediction is that somehow something like really weird, 0:43:59.840 --> 0:44:05.120 like like stalker or fan does something to to mister Fuentes. 0:44:05.520 --> 0:44:08.360 Just pure prediction on like just like what would be 0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:11.680 the oddest, oddest thing to happen, but something that could 0:44:11.719 --> 0:44:14.279 totally make sense. Maybe it's like an old like Kanye fan, 0:44:14.440 --> 0:44:16.320 you know from Kanye and Nick. 0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:17.360 From his nasra. 0:44:17.880 --> 0:44:20.960 Yeah, Yeah, I don't know. I feel like it's it's 0:44:21.480 --> 0:44:24.120 his fandom's getting close enough to pull some like weird 0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:26.239 crazy shit like that on, like a weird like on, 0:44:26.320 --> 0:44:30.040 like a on, like a deeply parasocially destructive level, like 0:44:30.080 --> 0:44:34.319 Stephen King's misery. A misery happens to Nick Quintes, but 0:44:34.360 --> 0:44:36.520 he doesn't but he doesn't make it, he doesn't make 0:44:36.560 --> 0:44:39.400 it out. That's that's my Spotify wrapped prediction. 0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:43.120 I have said for years Nick Fuintes is going to 0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:47.320 go down live probably maybe maybe live. He's gonna go 0:44:47.360 --> 0:44:50.000 down like George Lincoln Rockwell. It is not going to 0:44:50.080 --> 0:44:52.279 be like an enemy of his, that does it. It's 0:44:52.320 --> 0:44:55.760 going to be a result of his incredibly messy personal life. Yeah, 0:44:55.840 --> 0:44:59.160 like someone is going to take him down. H Like 0:44:59.280 --> 0:45:02.239 it's it's that Yeah, Yeah, that feels right. 0:45:03.040 --> 0:45:06.680 Do we have a non categorized predictions? Is it that 0:45:06.719 --> 0:45:07.320 time yet? 0:45:07.440 --> 0:45:07.760 Sure? 0:45:08.080 --> 0:45:11.239 Now that we have, we have finished our Spotify wrapped predictions, 0:45:11.600 --> 0:45:13.799 And I do not know who my top artists will be. 0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:18.880 This last year it was Trent Resnor so salute that's like, okay, 0:45:19.040 --> 0:45:23.240 Garrison Challenger soundtrack, that thing fucking bops. 0:45:23.440 --> 0:45:26.160 I tried to make Robert watch that on the way 0:45:26.200 --> 0:45:28.120 to Oh is it the d n C or the 0:45:28.239 --> 0:45:31.200 r n C. I don't remember, and but he wouldn't 0:45:31.239 --> 0:45:33.880 watch it with headphones, and so it was just on 0:45:33.880 --> 0:45:35.800 on the plane. I think it was the DNC. 0:45:36.560 --> 0:45:37.320 That's terrible. 0:45:37.680 --> 0:45:39.880 Yeah, I think I think I was reading a Nick Land. 0:45:43.280 --> 0:45:47.160 Honestly, that's a vibe that actually pairs quite well. 0:45:47.440 --> 0:45:52.439 I landed completely deranged. It was great, Ready to work. 0:45:53.560 --> 0:45:56.520 A prediction. A prediction that I have is that like 0:45:57.400 --> 0:46:01.200 Trump basically tries to move a lot of the main 0:46:01.640 --> 0:46:06.520 time he spends to mar Alago versus the White House. Like, 0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:09.560 I feel like he's going to make mar A Lago 0:46:09.760 --> 0:46:13.799 some like national monument type shit so that he can 0:46:13.880 --> 0:46:16.560 take whatever the fuck documents he wants from the White 0:46:16.600 --> 0:46:18.560 House to mar A Lago and spend as much time 0:46:18.560 --> 0:46:22.000 there as he wants and make that like a national 0:46:22.080 --> 0:46:23.160 residence or some shit. 0:46:23.840 --> 0:46:28.600 Went to White House, Yeah, the whiter House, we could 0:46:28.640 --> 0:46:29.120 call it. 0:46:29.239 --> 0:46:36.360 Yeah, so true, true Harrison. No, I'm kind of interested 0:46:36.440 --> 0:46:39.719 to watch what happens with AOC over the next year, 0:46:39.880 --> 0:46:43.840 because she has definitely become to a lot of folks 0:46:43.880 --> 0:46:46.399 that progressive and on the left, like a villain over 0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:51.040 the last year, And I kind of wouldn't be surprised if, like, 0:46:51.320 --> 0:46:55.680 in assuming there's still politics in twenty years. When we're 0:46:55.719 --> 0:46:59.600 talking to young people, they think of her like Pelosi 0:46:59.719 --> 0:47:02.640 and like, oh, you've got to understand when things started out, 0:47:02.640 --> 0:47:05.960 this was a very different person. Yeah, yeah, Yeah. And 0:47:06.040 --> 0:47:08.440 I'm not saying that's a fair way to characterize her 0:47:08.480 --> 0:47:10.400 now or where she'll go. I'm just saying, like, I 0:47:10.440 --> 0:47:12.719 wouldn't be shocked if that's the way a lot of 0:47:12.719 --> 0:47:15.600 folks are looking at it in fucking a few years, 0:47:15.600 --> 0:47:17.279 because I'm saying I'm hearing a lot of that now. Yeah, 0:47:17.320 --> 0:47:21.399 peop are very angry at her over largely Gaza. But yeah, 0:47:21.480 --> 0:47:23.799 also the fact that she and Bernie both tried to 0:47:23.800 --> 0:47:30.200 back Biden kind of yeah late in his uh centicence. Yeah, Okay. 0:47:30.200 --> 0:47:32.319 My My big one for the year is this is 0:47:32.320 --> 0:47:34.560 the this is the year the economy finally collapses, Like, 0:47:34.600 --> 0:47:36.600 this is the year you find out that no company 0:47:36.600 --> 0:47:40.000 has made any fucking money in a decade. It's all 0:47:40.040 --> 0:47:44.200 been being pumped up by like a deranged combination of 0:47:44.239 --> 0:47:48.160 interest rate bullshit, a bunch of fucking money from like 0:47:48.239 --> 0:47:51.640 overnight repo purchases, keeping the banks propped up. And I 0:47:51.880 --> 0:47:53.279 don't know if it's gonna be the trade war that 0:47:53.320 --> 0:47:55.280 fucking blows it up, although I think that will instantly 0:47:55.280 --> 0:47:56.800 detonate everything. 0:47:56.880 --> 0:47:57.160 I don't know. 0:47:57.200 --> 0:47:58.920 Maybe it's maybe he's a Chinese housing bubble, maybe the 0:47:58.920 --> 0:48:01.080 tech bubble finally collapse. Maybe all three of them hit 0:48:01.120 --> 0:48:03.040 at the same time. This is the year fucking goes. 0:48:03.480 --> 0:48:05.920 I've never actually put my name down down on this 0:48:06.000 --> 0:48:07.680 on the show. On any other fucking year. This is 0:48:07.719 --> 0:48:11.520 the year the zombie economy will fall over dead. The 0:48:11.560 --> 0:48:12.840 necromancy cannot hold. 0:48:14.160 --> 0:48:16.560 I guess my prediction is that the economy is going 0:48:16.600 --> 0:48:20.960 to be basically identical to the Biden economy in that 0:48:21.120 --> 0:48:25.040 we're going to get like fucked up inflation and people 0:48:25.040 --> 0:48:27.560 are going to be very angry, and the number will 0:48:27.560 --> 0:48:29.680 continue to go up on the stock market because that's 0:48:29.719 --> 0:48:32.000 kind of what it's designed to do. That's my theory. 0:48:32.239 --> 0:48:34.759 And the housing market will still be trash. 0:48:35.080 --> 0:48:38.120 Yeah, we will never afford times and the housing's just 0:48:38.160 --> 0:48:41.360 gonna get more expensive. It will be interesting to see 0:48:41.840 --> 0:48:44.800 Trump's entire all of his backers and his whole media 0:48:45.080 --> 0:48:47.120 like one thing that will be easier for the left 0:48:47.600 --> 0:48:51.120 is really hitting conservatives on inflation as it gets horrible 0:48:51.160 --> 0:48:55.480 again or continues to suck, because that's, you know, at 0:48:55.480 --> 0:49:00.160 this point, just a factor of the economy working as intended. Yeah, 0:49:00.200 --> 0:49:03.000 that they all have to pretend, isn't. Yeah. 0:49:03.120 --> 0:49:04.680 And before we go to a break, I just want 0:49:04.680 --> 0:49:06.799 to say the price of eggs will go up. 0:49:07.239 --> 0:49:09.479 I need to get chickens now. Oh yeah, this bird 0:49:09.480 --> 0:49:11.799 flu thing is not gonna help with eggs. Oh boy, 0:49:12.520 --> 0:49:15.200 oh boy, get your eggs now, by one hundred, by 0:49:15.280 --> 0:49:16.760 thousands of dollars of eggs. 0:49:16.800 --> 0:49:19.880 Now, there was some kind of device to make eggs 0:49:19.920 --> 0:49:22.640 and you could have in your own God, oh. 0:49:22.440 --> 0:49:31.920 My goodness, it's time for ads. 0:49:35.480 --> 0:49:38.680 I guess to piggyback off of Robert and MEA's predictions 0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:42.560 there in the economy. My prediction is that once I 0:49:42.800 --> 0:49:46.120 finally launched cool zone coin this year, I'm gonna make 0:49:46.120 --> 0:49:52.000 a big If the economy is gonna go down, I 0:49:52.040 --> 0:49:54.359 am gonna be going up. Everyone's gonna start buying coole 0:49:54.440 --> 0:49:58.239 zone coin because the US dollar becomes worthless. Bitcoin's gonna 0:49:58.239 --> 0:50:01.720 crash too. It's fake, but cool zone coin has real 0:50:01.920 --> 0:50:02.960 fungible value. 0:50:03.480 --> 0:50:05.799 Well, yeah, the thing about cool zone coin. That makes 0:50:05.840 --> 0:50:08.640 it different from all of the other crypto coins is 0:50:08.680 --> 0:50:11.800 that it is really based on a fundamentally limited and 0:50:11.920 --> 0:50:14.840 valuable resource, which is movies from the nineties that I 0:50:14.960 --> 0:50:18.879 showed Garrison and they actually liked. So, you know, there's 0:50:19.080 --> 0:50:22.480 there's only so many cool Zone coins that can be 0:50:22.520 --> 0:50:23.359 in circulation. 0:50:24.719 --> 0:50:26.799 We're lucky I was in Portland this Christmas because we 0:50:26.840 --> 0:50:29.040 really stocked up a few more of those nineties classics 0:50:29.040 --> 0:50:30.960 to bump up the price of cool Zone coin going 0:50:31.000 --> 0:50:31.879 into twenty twenty five. 0:50:31.920 --> 0:50:36.120 That's right, everybody, Wow, sell your house by cool Zone coin. 0:50:36.800 --> 0:50:40.160 Have you seen Hook? Garrison? I have seen Hook. I like, 0:50:40.480 --> 0:50:43.040 of course, good, Yeah, a classic. 0:50:43.560 --> 0:50:45.799 Have you seen Wickerman nineteen seventy three? 0:50:46.320 --> 0:50:48.520 You know, I actually haven't. I've been waiting to catch 0:50:48.560 --> 0:50:49.320 it in the theater. 0:50:49.680 --> 0:50:52.359 We will make this happen at some point necessary. 0:50:52.680 --> 0:50:54.719 I would I would love too. I would love too. 0:50:55.280 --> 0:50:58.760 I bet one thing. I think it's very predictable border stuff. 0:50:58.800 --> 0:51:02.399 They will stunt on an the caravan of migrants, and 0:51:02.440 --> 0:51:04.400 I think it's pretty easy for them to kind of 0:51:04.480 --> 0:51:06.840 organize that and make that happen, and it will be 0:51:07.280 --> 0:51:10.480 a way for Trump to flex his border fascism yeah, 0:51:10.560 --> 0:51:12.359 much like he did in twenty eighteen. Maybe they'll wait 0:51:12.400 --> 0:51:15.240 till the midterms again. There's always a fun border disaster 0:51:15.320 --> 0:51:16.080 for the midterms. 0:51:16.320 --> 0:51:19.040 Could I just do one? That might not be a prediction, 0:51:19.160 --> 0:51:20.520 but like a Sophie Hope. 0:51:20.800 --> 0:51:22.600 Sure, yeah, get it. 0:51:22.719 --> 0:51:25.440 Something has to happen to those Paul brothers. 0:51:25.480 --> 0:51:29.120 Oh, Sophie, Oh yeah, that's possible. Yeah. My prediction for 0:51:29.200 --> 0:51:31.719 the Paul brothers is that one of them dies within 0:51:31.760 --> 0:51:33.520 the next five years, and one of them lives to 0:51:33.560 --> 0:51:34.560 be one hundred and seven. 0:51:34.719 --> 0:51:36.960 Oh that tracks sure. 0:51:37.040 --> 0:51:39.040 Yeah, they decide to take on Bob Dylan in a 0:51:39.080 --> 0:51:41.560 boxing match and only one of them survives. 0:51:41.600 --> 0:51:43.600 I think Bob Dylan'll live in this next year. 0:51:43.680 --> 0:51:47.120 But I've just found Bob Dylan's tweets the purest thing. 0:51:47.920 --> 0:51:49.480 He just tweets about what he's doing. 0:51:51.080 --> 0:51:51.680 What a hero. 0:51:52.520 --> 0:51:57.680 Netflix paying Jake Paul to billions of dollars to fight 0:51:57.840 --> 0:52:01.280 nine hundred year old Mike Tyson and then Jake Paul 0:52:01.800 --> 0:52:06.920 coming in on like a vintage car and spraying his 0:52:07.160 --> 0:52:11.719 product and it having higher streaming numbers than the Super Bowl? 0:52:11.920 --> 0:52:12.399 Is that real? 0:52:12.600 --> 0:52:12.839 Yes? 0:52:13.719 --> 0:52:15.960 To be fair, that was a rancid super Bowl. 0:52:17.000 --> 0:52:21.160 Rancid Super Bowl. This this cannot this cannot be. 0:52:21.640 --> 0:52:23.319 Most of us just turned in on the off chane, 0:52:23.360 --> 0:52:25.000 So Jake Paul would die. 0:52:25.040 --> 0:52:25.960 Yes, that is true. 0:52:26.120 --> 0:52:29.160 That is true, or at least get bitten. 0:52:29.440 --> 0:52:32.760 Like Yeah, all of us were hoping that Mike Tyson 0:52:33.080 --> 0:52:36.400 was not in fact sixty years old. But he is 0:52:36.640 --> 0:52:42.320 sixty years old. So uh yeah some god, yeah something, 0:52:42.520 --> 0:52:44.919 something's gotta give. Oh, and there won't be a left 0:52:44.960 --> 0:52:46.359 wing Joe Rogan, thank you so much. 0:52:46.440 --> 0:52:47.800 Oh, I don't know, Sophie. 0:52:47.480 --> 0:52:50.279 I can as soon as we logicals so good, I 0:52:50.320 --> 0:52:50.879 think we can. 0:52:51.000 --> 0:52:51.239 Really. 0:52:51.600 --> 0:52:55.960 Oh, there'll be there'll be somebody trying to be. 0:52:56.840 --> 0:52:59.560 Oh, Sorphie, there already. 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It's better at roop temp, better at. 0:53:22.760 --> 0:53:37.640 ROOPTEMP to get the healthy bacteria it gives you mystical powers. 0:53:33.880 --> 0:53:37.200 Of One of my I guess more hopes and still 0:53:37.200 --> 0:53:40.400 partial predictions is that National Guard gets into a scuffle 0:53:40.440 --> 0:53:42.520 with border patrol in some kind of blue state. 0:53:42.680 --> 0:53:43.880 Yeah, yeah, good chance. 0:53:43.960 --> 0:53:47.840 We have some brave and strong governor is gonna is 0:53:47.840 --> 0:53:51.640 gonna salute the troops and send out our proud National 0:53:51.640 --> 0:53:55.160 Guard boys to fight off ice. That's just a battle 0:53:55.160 --> 0:53:57.120 I would love to see. I've wanted to see that 0:53:57.160 --> 0:53:59.920 ever since Portland twenty twenty. I've wanted to see National 0:54:00.080 --> 0:54:03.160 Guard troops fight against federal forces. 0:54:02.760 --> 0:54:04.759 Two groups of men who don't really know how to 0:54:04.880 --> 0:54:09.719 use their guns, using their guns, No, it's gonna be amazing. 0:54:09.920 --> 0:54:12.400 So battle, I've wanted to see you for like five years. 0:54:12.560 --> 0:54:15.680 Who's plate carriers at the top, closer to their nipples? 0:54:17.120 --> 0:54:18.200 It's anyone's game. 0:54:19.400 --> 0:54:21.560 I need to see it. I need to see it. 0:54:22.040 --> 0:54:22.399 Come on. 0:54:23.040 --> 0:54:24.759 I would like to see it from a distance, because 0:54:24.760 --> 0:54:26.359 that would be a shit show. 0:54:26.440 --> 0:54:28.200 Yeah, from a sizable distance. 0:54:28.520 --> 0:54:30.279 Yeah, General Whitmer, let's go. 0:54:30.440 --> 0:54:34.359 Let's go expensing a fucking telescope for that firefight. Yeah, yeah, 0:54:34.800 --> 0:54:38.239 a periscope. Maybe I trust the Iraqi Army more than 0:54:38.280 --> 0:54:39.680 either of those sides. 0:54:41.239 --> 0:54:43.520 I've seen a lot of dudes five guns while ducking 0:54:43.560 --> 0:54:44.799 behind a KB holding the gun. 0:54:44.960 --> 0:54:45.400 I love you. 0:54:45.480 --> 0:54:47.359 And then it does look fun. It does look fun. 0:54:47.960 --> 0:54:48.239 It is. 0:54:48.360 --> 0:54:51.000 Yeah, definitely, I would like to do that. That they kicked 0:54:51.000 --> 0:54:53.760 me out the range every time because of woke how sad? 0:54:53.880 --> 0:54:57.200 Well, not anymore, James, Yeah, that's also the casualties yet, 0:54:57.239 --> 0:54:58.800 not any more, James. Wolke is beaten. 0:55:00.160 --> 0:55:02.359 That's right. Yeah, they wait, went, they went broke. 0:55:02.440 --> 0:55:04.879 I'm going to buy the range, that's right, and we'll 0:55:04.920 --> 0:55:06.920 all fall from behind the bentress. 0:55:06.560 --> 0:55:09.240 Now, oh mama. 0:55:09.520 --> 0:55:09.680 Yeah. 0:55:09.760 --> 0:55:10.160 Yeah. 0:55:10.440 --> 0:55:13.840 Other predictions, maybe we'll get a good, solid couple of 0:55:13.840 --> 0:55:15.919 weeks of writing again, and that Garrison said, like, maybe 0:55:15.920 --> 0:55:17.600 it'll let me take a year or two this time. 0:55:18.600 --> 0:55:20.360 I don't think that anymore. 0:55:20.560 --> 0:55:23.799 Something will have to change. Yeah, there will have to 0:55:23.840 --> 0:55:30.720 be a material change in either organizing or social conditions, 0:55:31.160 --> 0:55:34.200 because people will need to either be vastly more desperate 0:55:34.239 --> 0:55:36.279 than they are right now, or they will need to 0:55:36.280 --> 0:55:38.680 have a specific reason to think, well, this time, getting 0:55:38.719 --> 0:55:41.880 out in the street might do something. Yeah. 0:55:41.960 --> 0:55:45.520 I think we're gonna kind of continue the trends that 0:55:45.520 --> 0:55:48.440 that we've been seeing, which which points towards a bit 0:55:48.480 --> 0:55:52.960 of an apathy towards like like big popular mobilizations and 0:55:53.120 --> 0:55:57.799 more towards kind of bizarre lone wolf attacks, something that 0:55:57.880 --> 0:56:00.680 you know could be slight even a slightly probable or 0:56:00.719 --> 0:56:03.480 you know, possibly darker productions. I think we'll have like 0:56:03.520 --> 0:56:10.520 a really bad Luigi copycat within the next like four months. Sure, yes, 0:56:10.880 --> 0:56:13.239 the years of Luigi, Like, it's not gonna be good. 0:56:13.600 --> 0:56:16.239 It's not gonna be good. There's probably gonna be a 0:56:16.280 --> 0:56:19.200 situation where some guy either gets the best case is 0:56:19.200 --> 0:56:22.080 that he gets killed immediately by the dude's security. The 0:56:22.120 --> 0:56:24.840 worst case is there's a big public firefight and a 0:56:24.880 --> 0:56:26.239 whole fuck let of people get hit. 0:56:26.400 --> 0:56:28.279 Yeah, didn't I predict that there would be a big 0:56:28.320 --> 0:56:30.520 public crime with a three D printed gun last year? 0:56:30.920 --> 0:56:33.400 I think that was the year before we talked about that. 0:56:34.120 --> 0:56:37.400 Oh damn, okay, so close and. 0:56:37.920 --> 0:56:40.399 Yeah, you know, I mean this, this certainly does kind 0:56:40.400 --> 0:56:43.359 of fit that mold. We'll see how much that like 0:56:43.719 --> 0:56:46.640 gets focused on in the trial and like continued reporting. 0:56:47.080 --> 0:56:50.120 Yeah, and in that legislation too, I missed a death. 0:56:50.160 --> 0:56:52.959 We can also include it in the hope section. Matthew Iglesias, 0:56:53.040 --> 0:56:58.280 that motherfucker, motherfucker has been standing bullshit for twenty years. 0:56:58.719 --> 0:57:01.600 It just it cannot can he knew he's lost a 0:57:01.680 --> 0:57:03.520 juice a little bit. I think he ses on the 0:57:03.520 --> 0:57:03.879 way out. 0:57:04.120 --> 0:57:07.040 All Right, Something very funny did just happen that we 0:57:07.040 --> 0:57:11.440 should talk about as a team. Senator Doug Mastriano taught, 0:57:11.920 --> 0:57:14.640 a thirty year US Army veteran who taught at the 0:57:14.680 --> 0:57:19.680 War College, just tweeted an indignant, furious tweet about the 0:57:19.800 --> 0:57:23.040 US government not being honest with Americans about like what's 0:57:23.040 --> 0:57:25.480 happening with these drones? And yeah, and the picture of 0:57:25.560 --> 0:57:28.720 the crash drone is a tie fighter. That's like a 0:57:28.720 --> 0:57:30.880 model tie fighter on the bed of a flatbed. 0:57:31.880 --> 0:57:36.680 Yes, we've all lost our mind. 0:57:36.920 --> 0:57:41.360 Hot at the US Army War College, they're not sending 0:57:41.400 --> 0:57:46.360 their best people. Oh fuck, that's funny, amazing stuff. That's 0:57:46.400 --> 0:57:51.000 one of the best things I've seen out here. Oh 0:57:51.320 --> 0:57:51.880 good me. 0:57:53.760 --> 0:57:56.200 Finally, I like the closer predictions a little bit on 0:57:56.480 --> 0:57:59.680 Trump's cabinet. I think it's pretty pretty safe to say, 0:57:59.680 --> 0:58:03.000 becausidering his last presidency, we'll have at least one third 0:58:03.120 --> 0:58:06.080 cabinet turnover by the end of the year. Yeah, this 0:58:06.120 --> 0:58:08.280 is something that we've been talking about a lot. When 0:58:08.320 --> 0:58:11.000 do we think Musk is gonna get the boot and 0:58:11.440 --> 0:58:13.520 based on the way Trump's kind of positioned him, I'm 0:58:13.520 --> 0:58:14.840 not sure if it's gonna be as soon as what 0:58:14.880 --> 0:58:17.360 we all kind of initially thought, because Trump has kept 0:58:17.440 --> 0:58:21.360 him out of his inner orbit but pretty solidly in 0:58:21.440 --> 0:58:25.919 his middle orbit. Like he's not in any like real position, right, Yeah, 0:58:25.960 --> 0:58:27.400 he has Doge, Like, come on. 0:58:27.800 --> 0:58:29.160 It just came out that he's not going to be 0:58:29.200 --> 0:58:31.680 able to get a high the highest security clearance. There 0:58:31.720 --> 0:58:34.200 you go, that's funny. 0:58:34.240 --> 0:58:36.880 But like he has him sitting next to his family 0:58:36.960 --> 0:58:38.280 at Thanksgiving totally. 0:58:38.400 --> 0:58:41.800 Yeah, yeah, no, no, totally, And especially in like the 0:58:42.000 --> 0:58:44.680 three weeks after the election, they were like they were 0:58:44.720 --> 0:58:48.439 like honeymoon, right, they were neck and neck and something 0:58:48.480 --> 0:58:51.480 that's gonna like start dissipating. Musk can't get fully booted 0:58:51.480 --> 0:58:55.120 out because like you know, the federal government needs SpaceX 0:58:55.200 --> 0:58:58.960 and and unlike Musk's other like technologies, so like they 0:58:58.960 --> 0:59:01.080 will remain friendly, but like you're not going to be 0:59:01.120 --> 0:59:04.040 in the close position that they are now. I initially 0:59:04.200 --> 0:59:07.600 I put that date for being March twentieth, twenty twenty five, 0:59:07.760 --> 0:59:10.760 you know, a two months after inauguration day. It's it's 0:59:10.840 --> 0:59:13.200 enough time to get, you know, for for someone like 0:59:13.200 --> 0:59:16.760 Trump to get tired of Musk's like personality. But I 0:59:17.000 --> 0:59:19.479 think I might stretch that out a little bit more 0:59:19.600 --> 0:59:22.600 now than my initial prediction. I think I think they 0:59:22.680 --> 0:59:24.680 might do a little bit more of a long term 0:59:24.880 --> 0:59:27.760 game here. But that also means that that Musk maybe 0:59:27.760 --> 0:59:31.240 will not have as much like constant influence as what 0:59:31.280 --> 0:59:33.000 it was first looking like in those like, you know, 0:59:33.040 --> 0:59:34.640 three months after the election. 0:59:34.720 --> 0:59:37.760 I think that RFK Junior is probably at pushed out 0:59:37.760 --> 0:59:39.200 of the picture before Musk is. 0:59:39.880 --> 0:59:41.840 Yeah, if he tries to get rid of the fucking 0:59:41.960 --> 0:59:45.880 polio vaccine, it's gonna be a real quick trip to 0:59:45.920 --> 0:59:47.919 the unemployment line for Bobby Boy. 0:59:48.920 --> 0:59:53.760 Yeah, I really, I don't think Trump's that reckquest No, 0:59:54.040 --> 0:59:56.960 like that that would be quite quite a line to 0:59:57.360 --> 0:59:59.440 get rid of the polio vaccine. 0:59:59.680 --> 1:00:03.800 Trump, I'm still so old, like he remembers he's old. 1:00:04.920 --> 1:00:07.560 But if, but if ORFK Junior could get the wheat 1:00:07.800 --> 1:00:10.800 ingredient out of the McDonald's fries, I'd be most obliged. 1:00:11.280 --> 1:00:13.960 Oh yeah, no, I'm I'm sure that he's gonna he's 1:00:13.960 --> 1:00:17.160 gonna reverse one hundred years of corn subsidies. And get 1:00:17.200 --> 1:00:19.920 corn served out of our Coca Cola. I believe in RFK. 1:00:20.280 --> 1:00:24.000 Yeah, I feel pretty good about the continuing legality of 1:00:24.080 --> 1:00:26.240 Kraton as long as he's the HHS head. 1:00:26.720 --> 1:00:27.280 There you go. 1:00:27.320 --> 1:00:29.680 All it's gonna take, is one of Joe Rogan's friends, 1:00:29.760 --> 1:00:30.720 speaking in his ear. 1:00:32.360 --> 1:00:35.400 We'll be all right, We're gonna have legally required DMT 1:00:35.640 --> 1:00:37.120 for everyone in the country. 1:00:38.400 --> 1:00:41.200 Yeah, why not? I think we need and I've been 1:00:41.240 --> 1:00:43.480 I've been saying this for years. We need to put 1:00:43.480 --> 1:00:45.640 the lithium back in the water. We also need to 1:00:45.720 --> 1:00:48.360 use those crop dusting planes and just like fill them 1:00:48.360 --> 1:00:54.320 with xanax. Just just just calm everyone down, take everything 1:00:54.360 --> 1:00:55.600 back a couple of steps. 1:00:56.400 --> 1:00:59.440 All right, I'm gonna go pet some dogs. So the 1:00:59.480 --> 1:01:03.720 podcast over. Happy New Year, everyone, Happy, Happy new everyone. 1:01:04.080 --> 1:01:06.760 I do want everyone to pick one thing that that 1:01:06.760 --> 1:01:09.360 that they're gonna do this year that will improve their life, 1:01:09.720 --> 1:01:10.560 however small. 1:01:10.840 --> 1:01:13.400 For me, I'm gonna get a new mirror. We're gonna 1:01:13.400 --> 1:01:15.960 all pick one thing. We call that Project twenty twenty five. 1:01:16.240 --> 1:01:18.439 It's what one thing we can do to improve our 1:01:18.520 --> 1:01:21.480 lives and you know, and then by extension, the lives 1:01:21.520 --> 1:01:23.680 of everyone else around us. So make sure everyone has 1:01:23.720 --> 1:01:26.200 their own personal project twenty twenty five going into this 1:01:26.240 --> 1:01:28.040 next year. I think we will need it. 1:01:28.120 --> 1:01:31.200 Yeah, I'm holding my Project twenty twenty five in my 1:01:31.360 --> 1:01:31.960 arms right now. 1:01:32.040 --> 1:01:34.160 Your new dog, your new dog I adopted. 1:01:34.320 --> 1:01:37.960 I adopted Anderson a sibling, and her name is Truman. 1:01:37.880 --> 1:01:41.320 Lovely after our greatest US president, after not. 1:01:41.520 --> 1:01:44.280 The greatest US president. I would never name a child 1:01:44.280 --> 1:01:45.600 of mine after our president. 1:01:46.160 --> 1:01:49.320 After the sheriff in Twin Peaks, that's right. Also, no, 1:01:49.480 --> 1:01:50.840 all right, well we love that. 1:01:51.600 --> 1:01:54.800 After the house did viv who grew up in the 1:01:54.840 --> 1:01:58.000 Truman Shows Gate is Gates? 1:01:58.080 --> 1:01:59.520 Yeah, named you're after Matt Gates. 1:01:59.560 --> 1:02:03.920 Tildhoods is like totally unoven job. Now that's so funny. 1:02:04.000 --> 1:02:07.200 It's very funny. It's very very funny, and I feel 1:02:07.240 --> 1:02:09.800 like I feel like we should end on that note. 1:02:09.840 --> 1:02:15.880 So ha to Matt Gates. Anyways, Anderson Truman to the 1:02:15.880 --> 1:02:16.640 fuck out. 1:02:16.440 --> 1:02:33.360 Of here, welcome back to it could happen here, A 1:02:33.440 --> 1:02:36.520 podcast about it, which in this week's case is the 1:02:36.560 --> 1:02:41.160 Consumer Electronics Show is happening here. And yeah, we're here 1:02:41.200 --> 1:02:43.680 to talk about things falling apart. And again, in this 1:02:43.760 --> 1:02:47.200 case that's the tech industry because The story this CES, 1:02:47.320 --> 1:02:49.440 as it has been for the last several CES, is 1:02:49.440 --> 1:02:52.960 is that the continuing degradation of big tech as it 1:02:53.080 --> 1:02:56.960 seeks more places to get money from while providing less 1:02:57.000 --> 1:02:59.080 and less utility to the people that it needs to 1:02:59.120 --> 1:03:02.080 give it money. And every CEES at some point I 1:03:02.120 --> 1:03:04.800 find myself face to face with something that makes me say, 1:03:05.000 --> 1:03:08.840 I've now seen the silliest thing I've ever seen. And 1:03:08.920 --> 1:03:11.920 this year, that experience happened for the first time within 1:03:12.080 --> 1:03:14.680 thirty minutes of the first half day. And I'm going 1:03:14.720 --> 1:03:17.680 to talk about that and show some videos to my 1:03:18.440 --> 1:03:21.560 panelists here, which of course are the great ed Zeitron, 1:03:21.720 --> 1:03:24.560 It's me, I'm here, the pretty good Garrison Davis. 1:03:24.640 --> 1:03:29.680 Okay, thanks, okay, all right, all right, Boddy them. 1:03:28.960 --> 1:03:32.280 And the supernumerate supernumerary. I'm sorry, I messed up the 1:03:32.320 --> 1:03:34.400 word I was using as a superlative to praise you. 1:03:35.000 --> 1:03:36.440 I'll take at longways. 1:03:36.480 --> 1:03:40.280 So Junior, thanks Ed, Thank you so much for joining us. Everybody, 1:03:40.320 --> 1:03:42.560 are you ready to see some of the dumbest AI 1:03:42.640 --> 1:03:43.560 generated videos? 1:03:43.600 --> 1:03:45.960 Sure sell me with more pleasure? 1:03:46.160 --> 1:03:47.120 Excellent, excellent. 1:03:47.240 --> 1:03:48.400 Nothing fills me with pleasure. 1:03:48.520 --> 1:03:51.000 So the first panel I sat down today with at 1:03:51.040 --> 1:03:54.480 ten am in the Goddamn Morning Jesus was the Hollywood 1:03:54.480 --> 1:03:58.400 Trajectory Generative AI Timeline twenty twenty five to twenty thirty. 1:03:58.480 --> 1:04:01.200 Oh boy, I am fascinated for what they think will 1:04:01.200 --> 1:04:02.480 happen in twenty thirty. 1:04:03.400 --> 1:04:06.720 Everything's just gonna get better Garrison. This panel featured a 1:04:06.800 --> 1:04:10.600 number of luminary thinkers, including Mary Hamilton, a managing director 1:04:10.640 --> 1:04:13.960 at a Centsure, who announced her company's three billion dollar 1:04:14.040 --> 1:04:16.200 investment in AI by dropping this gym. 1:04:16.600 --> 1:04:17.880 I have a digital twin. 1:04:17.760 --> 1:04:21.200 And she's constantly evolving and how she gets used and 1:04:21.240 --> 1:04:22.360 what she says, and. 1:04:23.120 --> 1:04:25.880 You know there's you know, big educations around that. 1:04:26.040 --> 1:04:28.720 So I think this is a really exciting space to 1:04:28.800 --> 1:04:29.480 be thinking. 1:04:29.200 --> 1:04:32.440 That to any like that she just stole Hurley Herndon's thing. 1:04:32.520 --> 1:04:37.360 But okay, they've probably said that to a dolta they 1:04:37.440 --> 1:04:38.560 think I had a concussion. 1:04:38.600 --> 1:04:41.400 The shere would this person needs? 1:04:41.400 --> 1:04:42.640 Like psychologically, Yeah, you. 1:04:42.640 --> 1:04:43.600 Should be allowed to drive. 1:04:44.960 --> 1:04:46.480 You need a trying kid. 1:04:46.560 --> 1:04:49.240 Okay, let's get you, let's get you sit down, and. 1:04:49.440 --> 1:04:52.720 We're taking the phone away from you. Now. I think 1:04:52.720 --> 1:04:55.120 this is very silly because again I think, yeah, it's 1:04:55.160 --> 1:04:57.680 just a fundamental mismatch and what people might want from 1:04:57.680 --> 1:05:00.160 an AI agent, and like the way in w which 1:05:00.200 --> 1:05:01.040 they get talked about. 1:05:01.080 --> 1:05:03.400 But also they use digital twin, which is cement to 1:05:03.440 --> 1:05:04.160 prise software. 1:05:04.240 --> 1:05:07.320 Shit. Yeah, oh my god, yeah it's it's it's I'm 1:05:07.360 --> 1:05:09.800 excited to go see some digital twin technology that I'm 1:05:09.800 --> 1:05:13.080 sure we'll make a cheap egg code switching. 1:05:14.080 --> 1:05:15.800 This was this is the first thing I reported on 1:05:15.880 --> 1:05:18.760 at CEES was there was the digital twin. Like back 1:05:18.800 --> 1:05:21.640 in like twenty twenty two, twenty one, there was like 1:05:21.760 --> 1:05:23.800 one single company and all of c Yes, I was 1:05:23.800 --> 1:05:26.120 promising like a digital twin, and now it's like every 1:05:26.120 --> 1:05:26.720 other company. 1:05:27.080 --> 1:05:28.800 Yees. It means so many different things. 1:05:28.840 --> 1:05:31.240 It means literally a digital representation of anything. 1:05:31.280 --> 1:05:32.720 It doesn't even mean an AI agent. 1:05:32.760 --> 1:05:34.240 The fact that they're using it in the wrong place 1:05:34.320 --> 1:05:35.280 is very annoying to me. 1:05:35.440 --> 1:05:37.280 Yeah. I keep seeing like they can now make an 1:05:37.400 --> 1:05:40.360 an AI chatbot trained off of your social media presence. 1:05:40.360 --> 1:05:42.040 That's eighty five percent accurate. 1:05:42.120 --> 1:05:45.040 Oh, as all twins are. 1:05:45.400 --> 1:05:47.760 And I want to say I know they can't. But 1:05:47.800 --> 1:05:50.160 then you talk to the average person at CEES or 1:05:50.200 --> 1:05:53.479 the average panelist on this particular panel, I'm like, yes, 1:05:53.520 --> 1:05:55.600 I do believe in fact, everyone on that panel you 1:05:55.640 --> 1:05:58.880 could accurately, you could accurately get eighty five percent of 1:05:58.880 --> 1:06:02.160 their personality with the I bought for a bit, you know, 1:06:03.960 --> 1:06:08.040 maybe a lot higher improvement. Yeah. Yeah, So I will say, 1:06:08.120 --> 1:06:11.080 like that was silly. That's not the silliest thing I saw. 1:06:11.720 --> 1:06:14.280 The silliest thing I saw came courtesy of another panelist, 1:06:14.440 --> 1:06:19.040 Jason Zada, founder of Secret Level and COO of the company. 1:06:19.400 --> 1:06:22.360 The videos that Jason came to CEES to brag about 1:06:22.480 --> 1:06:25.880 were a collection of the laziest AI slop ever to 1:06:25.920 --> 1:06:29.440 stain human eyeballs. His most recent big success that you 1:06:29.440 --> 1:06:31.920 could just see radiating off of him how proud he 1:06:32.040 --> 1:06:35.720 was of this was Coca Cola's annual Christmas ad, which 1:06:35.920 --> 1:06:39.560 last year was produced for the first time entirely with AI. 1:06:40.040 --> 1:06:42.120 And I'm just gonna if you haven't seen this, who 1:06:42.200 --> 1:06:43.920 hears seen Coca Cola's AI. 1:06:46.520 --> 1:06:49.800 Guess yeah, I've seen pictures. I think I've watched one. 1:06:50.600 --> 1:06:55.160 Okay, well let's let's let watch a few times. We're 1:06:55.160 --> 1:06:57.200 gonna play. There's three different versions of this. 1:06:57.160 --> 1:06:59.200 So why we're just gonna I mean, that's that's what 1:06:59.240 --> 1:06:59.680 it's about. 1:06:59.680 --> 1:07:01.840 Out Oh my God, if there's three different versions that 1:07:01.760 --> 1:07:03.560 that's just they saved the from. 1:07:09.440 --> 1:07:18.880 Everyone is the same length of shark. 1:07:20.360 --> 1:07:24.120 Can you believe this song's AI generated? I can't believe 1:07:24.880 --> 1:07:27.280 the cou Could they teach a computer to write the lyrics? 1:07:27.280 --> 1:07:28.320 Holidays are going? 1:07:29.720 --> 1:07:31.800 I just can't believe we finally have the technology to 1:07:31.840 --> 1:07:33.880 have three trucks driving somewhere. 1:07:33.680 --> 1:07:37.560 And there wagging its tail with a dead eye too 1:07:37.640 --> 1:07:44.920 horrible girls move trucks with Coca cola and them driving 1:07:44.960 --> 1:07:47.400 down not a street. Raccoons. 1:07:48.000 --> 1:07:50.360 What the why is there a satellite? 1:07:50.360 --> 1:07:51.960 Are they going to drop the iron cannon on the 1:07:52.000 --> 1:07:57.680 polar bears? 1:07:58.920 --> 1:08:02.840 It's all clearly a it's all glowing like the city 1:08:02.880 --> 1:08:07.280 shots of like snow colored villages with that, as we're 1:08:07.320 --> 1:08:09.920 going to see in later videos. A. I loves putting 1:08:09.960 --> 1:08:13.080 smoke and random fires where there should not be smoking. 1:08:13.200 --> 1:08:16.840 Random fire. Chris, that's such a bad omen for four 1:08:16.920 --> 1:08:19.720 more years of a Trump presidency. It's a bleak that 1:08:19.800 --> 1:08:23.639 we have like even uglier Thomas Kincaid esque artwork. 1:08:24.080 --> 1:08:27.360 That's all every frame looks like animated. 1:08:27.920 --> 1:08:30.639 It's like they just generated a Thomas Kincaid like frame 1:08:30.720 --> 1:08:32.400 and then like badly animated and. 1:08:32.320 --> 1:08:34.800 The way that they move is very weird, like it 1:08:34.880 --> 1:08:37.320 looks kind of right but kind of right, looks very strong. 1:08:37.400 --> 1:08:39.080 It does that all of the scenes because it's like 1:08:39.120 --> 1:08:41.120 showing you a bunch of you see like a polar bear, 1:08:41.200 --> 1:08:43.519 obviously it's a Coca Cola Christmas ad. You see like 1:08:43.560 --> 1:08:46.599 a fucking reindeer, you see squirrels, you see a dog. 1:08:46.800 --> 1:08:49.280 But it always is like this very ai shot where 1:08:49.320 --> 1:08:52.719 it just pans across the animal and it's like glowing 1:08:52.760 --> 1:08:57.720 and kind of glossy and steering much. But they're not 1:08:57.840 --> 1:08:59.080 going anywhere with the movement. 1:08:59.120 --> 1:09:01.280 It's just like they doing something and that's it. 1:09:01.520 --> 1:09:01.760 Yeah. 1:09:01.880 --> 1:09:03.880 You think in ten years they're still gonna have these commercials. 1:09:04.080 --> 1:09:06.400 Yeah no, because where's the snoke. It's just a polo 1:09:06.400 --> 1:09:07.280 bez walking around like. 1:09:08.240 --> 1:09:11.640 System one, which tests emotional responses to ads, claims that 1:09:11.680 --> 1:09:14.919 the initial response to their Christmas ad was overwhelmingly positive. 1:09:15.040 --> 1:09:17.720 I don't think they're lying about that. I think if 1:09:17.760 --> 1:09:20.000 you walked up to someone like randomly on the street 1:09:20.000 --> 1:09:22.200 and showed them this, I think they'd be like, oh, yeah, 1:09:22.400 --> 1:09:22.960 it looks fine. 1:09:24.600 --> 1:09:24.840 Yeah. 1:09:25.080 --> 1:09:28.240 No one's watching a Coca Cola RDE and being like, yeah, wow, 1:09:28.720 --> 1:09:30.080 I've never had one of these before. 1:09:30.240 --> 1:09:33.200 Yeah, it's never a new experience. Not yet. 1:09:33.439 --> 1:09:34.759 We need an ad man. 1:09:34.800 --> 1:09:37.559 Need an ad man for the coke holdouts, we. 1:09:37.520 --> 1:09:38.839 Need an AI Don Draper. 1:09:39.040 --> 1:09:41.000 Yeah, well, do not give them ideas. 1:09:42.640 --> 1:09:43.280 What if a. 1:09:43.160 --> 1:09:44.479 Company lost five billion dollars. 1:09:44.600 --> 1:09:45.880 It's just an air that doesn't work. 1:09:45.880 --> 1:09:47.840 Instead of going to the movies like Don Draper does 1:09:47.880 --> 1:09:48.439 throughout all. 1:09:48.360 --> 1:09:50.479 Of mad Man, it just doesn't work and respond to 1:09:50.479 --> 1:09:51.360 any of your queries. 1:09:51.479 --> 1:09:55.720 Just Don Draper spending hours watching that looping Christmas video. 1:09:56.280 --> 1:09:57.600 Staring at nothingness. 1:09:57.920 --> 1:10:01.280 Yeah. So there was like an immediate, pretty immediate backlash 1:10:01.320 --> 1:10:03.559 to this, like all of the responses. If you go 1:10:03.560 --> 1:10:05.960 to any of like where these things live on YouTube, 1:10:06.000 --> 1:10:09.720 it's just people shitting on them, which he did acknowledge 1:10:09.840 --> 1:10:12.520 Jason by saying the video was very debated. 1:10:13.000 --> 1:10:14.920 Yes, classic thing with commercials. 1:10:15.120 --> 1:10:16.520 We love debating commercials. 1:10:16.560 --> 1:10:18.920 Many things are very debated these days. 1:10:18.680 --> 1:10:19.799 A lot of people are saying. 1:10:19.880 --> 1:10:22.360 And then he showed us next an AI generated video, 1:10:22.479 --> 1:10:26.160 the Heist, which was entirely made by a tech script 1:10:26.160 --> 1:10:29.240 that itself was mostly written by chat GPT. And here's 1:10:29.240 --> 1:10:32.400 how Jason describes the workflow for what you're about to see. 1:10:32.840 --> 1:10:35.519 It took thousands of generations to get the final film, 1:10:35.560 --> 1:10:39.560 but I'm absolutely blown away by the quality, the consistency, 1:10:39.920 --> 1:10:43.599 and adherence to the original prompt when I described gritty 1:10:43.680 --> 1:10:47.840 New York City in the eighties, it delivered in spades consistently. 1:10:48.280 --> 1:10:51.800 While this is not perfect, it is hands down the 1:10:51.840 --> 1:10:56.200 best video generation model out there by a long shot. Additionally, 1:10:56.479 --> 1:11:00.160 it's important no VFX, no cleanup, no color correction has 1:11:00.160 --> 1:11:03.639 been added. Everything is straight out of VO two Google 1:11:03.680 --> 1:11:06.759 deep mind. So what is the model vo two Google 1:11:06.760 --> 1:11:08.040 deep mind? I think is what he's saying. 1:11:08.080 --> 1:11:09.880 It is, so I thought that I had another one. 1:11:10.000 --> 1:11:11.960 By the way, I'm sure what you're about to show 1:11:12.040 --> 1:11:13.200 me looks like a dog's. 1:11:12.960 --> 1:11:15.240 As it looks like, yeah, New York, exactly like New 1:11:15.320 --> 1:11:18.840 York at Juliani right before he came in clean it up. 1:11:20.560 --> 1:11:23.360 So this is like the competitor to Sora. I guess 1:11:23.400 --> 1:11:26.559 that's the other big like video generation brand new. 1:11:26.600 --> 1:11:29.639 I don't buy for a fucking and I'm not impressed. 1:11:29.680 --> 1:11:31.080 But we'll see what you guys think. Okay, I don't 1:11:31.080 --> 1:11:33.400 want to poison your I wouldn't. 1:11:34.840 --> 1:11:37.720 Oh god, okay, there is fire in. 1:11:37.680 --> 1:11:39.800 This The last time you're gonna see the sack full 1:11:39.840 --> 1:11:41.760 of money. It does not shine again. 1:11:41.840 --> 1:11:44.360 It's a lot of a lot of fire, random fire 1:11:44.439 --> 1:11:45.599 and go. 1:11:45.560 --> 1:11:47.120 Backwards when they're driving forwards. 1:11:47.880 --> 1:11:51.040 Wheel again another straight fire. 1:11:52.120 --> 1:11:53.800 I would love to do freeze frames on this. 1:11:54.320 --> 1:11:58.960 Actually it's in Gosthel. Why is there so many fires? 1:11:59.040 --> 1:12:00.760 Just all right, let's take a shot every time? 1:12:01.400 --> 1:12:04.040 Oh my god, and also take a shut every time. 1:12:04.280 --> 1:12:07.280 He is wearing different clothing and has a clearly different face. 1:12:07.280 --> 1:12:10.080 The car has changed. Column he's praising the consistency and 1:12:10.120 --> 1:12:13.360 it is a he is dressed completely differently every scene. 1:12:14.800 --> 1:12:17.680 His jacket has has has changed since the last one. 1:12:17.760 --> 1:12:21.000 Yeah, yeah, and again the cop car the cars. When 1:12:21.000 --> 1:12:23.519 it shows the cars dragging across the screen, they're kind 1:12:23.520 --> 1:12:26.200 of doing the same thing usually that the animals doing 1:12:26.240 --> 1:12:26.839 the coke. 1:12:26.680 --> 1:12:29.839 And minimal motion at the best. 1:12:30.720 --> 1:12:34.880 Yeah. I also love this. Can you believe this music? 1:12:36.439 --> 1:12:38.519 I also want to just say when he swoved hit 1:12:38.600 --> 1:12:40.920 that thing, he was driving like half a mile on it. 1:12:41.200 --> 1:12:43.679 Yeah, that's how I run. 1:12:43.840 --> 1:12:46.439 Yeah, look an obviously different man. 1:12:46.560 --> 1:12:52.040 That's by the way he runs was like he had 1:12:52.040 --> 1:12:52.400 his arms. 1:12:52.560 --> 1:12:56.680 Looks cops are three kes actually, look how they run. 1:12:57.360 --> 1:12:58.519 The running is very funny. 1:12:58.600 --> 1:13:02.040 Yeah, the bond his seat Yeah different, okay. 1:13:01.840 --> 1:13:04.240 What is going on with his feet and that, different 1:13:04.320 --> 1:13:09.720 levels of facial hair, different different jackets, he's wearing different colors, jackets. 1:13:09.360 --> 1:13:12.960 Vaguely definiteness and in this SA just move. 1:13:13.000 --> 1:13:15.639 What the fuck is going on? Oh my god, I 1:13:15.680 --> 1:13:19.599 got me? Yeah, directed by Jason's Odd in big flaming 1:13:19.680 --> 1:13:22.840 words because again the AI only knows how to put 1:13:22.920 --> 1:13:23.840 random fires on. 1:13:24.000 --> 1:13:26.200 Wow, I'm so glad that we have the technology that 1:13:26.240 --> 1:13:28.040 there a thing where a guy gets chased by the place. 1:13:28.240 --> 1:13:30.479 Yeah, we couldn't. This would have been impossible before. 1:13:30.520 --> 1:13:32.880 As he runs at anywhere from one to one hundred 1:13:32.880 --> 1:13:33.479 miles an hour. 1:13:33.680 --> 1:13:36.439 I assume they just trained they like this was specifically 1:13:36.479 --> 1:13:39.360 like pulling on like Scorsese movies a lot. 1:13:39.800 --> 1:13:42.080 I just want to know about these thousands of generations 1:13:42.080 --> 1:13:43.160 of script because. 1:13:42.920 --> 1:13:43.599 That is interesting. 1:13:43.680 --> 1:13:46.000 I am very curious because I just don't believe that 1:13:46.040 --> 1:13:49.320 for did he just uh read there? 1:13:49.400 --> 1:13:51.320 Yeah no, that's the opening crawl to just like some 1:13:51.600 --> 1:13:55.840 uh generated Star Wars. 1:13:56.560 --> 1:13:58.800 It seems like shot by shot, right, each each shot 1:13:58.880 --> 1:13:59.880 is going to require a lot of. 1:13:59.800 --> 1:14:01.559 Like iteration the script. 1:14:02.280 --> 1:14:05.160 It's just yeah, I mean again, like it unpacking. What 1:14:05.240 --> 1:14:07.560 he actually is saying is unclear. 1:14:07.280 --> 1:14:09.960 Because I went to the YouTube video for this and 1:14:10.120 --> 1:14:13.040 the first five or four comments are looks like we 1:14:13.120 --> 1:14:15.439 found the new king of video. Jesus Christ, give it 1:14:15.479 --> 1:14:19.320 a rest close change in every shot. Four to six 1:14:19.400 --> 1:14:22.000 year old boys are gonna love it and still acts 1:14:22.080 --> 1:14:25.440 character and vehicle consistency. But we're getting close. 1:14:27.520 --> 1:14:28.719 Which is which is the exact? 1:14:30.640 --> 1:14:33.839 By twenty thirty, you'll make a man wear the same 1:14:33.920 --> 1:14:36.280 clothes for an entire video. Oh this is This has 1:14:36.320 --> 1:14:37.920 happened before with Sora. 1:14:38.040 --> 1:14:40.439 When they put Sora out there, like check out airhead 1:14:41.160 --> 1:14:45.240 on your man God, and the balloon changes every single shot. 1:14:45.280 --> 1:14:47.719 It's a different size and color each time. 1:14:47.920 --> 1:14:50.800 There are just people running in the background sometimes and 1:14:50.840 --> 1:14:52.519 then they made a new one. You're like, oh, this 1:14:52.560 --> 1:14:55.280 is gonna be good. It was worse and less consistent, 1:14:55.560 --> 1:14:57.800 and this is what they think of us. They're like, 1:14:57.840 --> 1:14:59.400 these pigs will slop up anything. 1:14:59.760 --> 1:14:59.800 You. 1:15:00.000 --> 1:15:03.720 I can't expect technology to do something as complicated as 1:15:03.800 --> 1:15:05.880 dress a man in clothing and have him stay in 1:15:05.920 --> 1:15:08.800 that same clothing over multiple scenes. Hollywood never figured it 1:15:09.040 --> 1:15:09.599 so cool. 1:15:09.439 --> 1:15:12.360 That this costs like so much money as well just 1:15:12.400 --> 1:15:16.240 burning there's some fucking gpu melting and a day just 1:15:16.360 --> 1:15:17.520 enter in Arizona. 1:15:17.120 --> 1:15:19.480 The strain learning North Carolina. 1:15:19.880 --> 1:15:22.959 It is also there's gonna be like thirty forty companies 1:15:23.000 --> 1:15:26.200 trying to recreate the same misshapen wheel you know, for 1:15:26.280 --> 1:15:27.200 the next five days. 1:15:27.240 --> 1:15:30.400 Also, the little pigs that watch Star Wars, including myself, 1:15:30.600 --> 1:15:33.519 they'll notice every miner inconsistency. Do you think that they're 1:15:33.560 --> 1:15:37.680 going to tolerate Luke Skywalker's and Watteau and all their favorite. 1:15:37.360 --> 1:15:39.360 Characters they're going to drive? Do you think that they're 1:15:39.360 --> 1:15:41.200 going to be happy office with a cyber truck? 1:15:41.560 --> 1:15:45.120 That's a cyber truck situation. You I think the issues 1:15:45.160 --> 1:15:47.479 are twofold, which is like number one. In order to 1:15:47.520 --> 1:15:50.000 make this shiit sell to the people who watch movies, 1:15:50.040 --> 1:15:53.599 you have to dramatically reduce the average intelligence of people 1:15:53.640 --> 1:15:56.519 watching movies. You have to give everyone brain damage, which 1:15:56.520 --> 1:15:57.599 except they are. 1:15:57.439 --> 1:15:59.000 Working in Giant Yeah. 1:15:59.320 --> 1:16:01.240 And the other thing is the models have to get 1:16:01.400 --> 1:16:03.320 much better. And Jason made a point that like, look, 1:16:03.400 --> 1:16:05.519 every time people would like talk about the criticism and 1:16:05.600 --> 1:16:08.240 be like, look, this is the worst it's gonna look guys, 1:16:08.840 --> 1:16:12.040 And I was just looking into it. GPT four took 1:16:12.160 --> 1:16:15.720 fifty times as many resources in like fifty times as 1:16:15.760 --> 1:16:19.680 much energy to train as GPT three did. So this 1:16:19.760 --> 1:16:22.720 is these are the kind of like exponential increases that 1:16:22.760 --> 1:16:25.120 we're looking at. So like, if it took them so 1:16:25.880 --> 1:16:29.320 many millions, billions of dollars of investment to get to 1:16:29.360 --> 1:16:31.519 the point where they can make this shitty video, to 1:16:31.600 --> 1:16:35.040 make anything close to watchable. You're talking about again just 1:16:35.080 --> 1:16:39.000 like lighting on fire, billions of dollars to do what 1:16:39.240 --> 1:16:41.640 to make a scene that you could already get like 1:16:41.680 --> 1:16:44.519 a twenty six year old dude who grew up watching 1:16:44.520 --> 1:16:48.519 fucking Quentin Tarantino movies and taking cocaine, And you could 1:16:48.520 --> 1:16:50.880 give them sixty thousand dollars and he'll film that shit 1:16:50.920 --> 1:16:52.439 for you with an old car, Like. 1:16:52.479 --> 1:16:55.040 Yeah, I mean you could. You could even like animate it. 1:16:55.520 --> 1:16:57.559 M I mean, look, you give me a PS four 1:16:57.760 --> 1:17:00.160 and somebody's grandmother and I will make them think that 1:17:00.200 --> 1:17:01.000 they're watching that. 1:17:01.160 --> 1:17:03.280 No, seriously, seriously that six. 1:17:03.520 --> 1:17:05.479 But also this, I just want to read out some 1:17:05.520 --> 1:17:08.120 of the fucking people that use this model. We started 1:17:08.160 --> 1:17:10.960 working with creatives like Donald Glover, who I said was 1:17:10.960 --> 1:17:11.880 washed ten years ago. 1:17:11.960 --> 1:17:13.200 I'm fucking sick of people. 1:17:13.840 --> 1:17:16.120 My Love was a was a good album. 1:17:16.240 --> 1:17:18.120 America is an objectively bad song. 1:17:18.680 --> 1:17:20.200 It's a bad song with a great video. 1:17:20.400 --> 1:17:22.600 Yeaheah, I thought he's like kind of bar and be 1:17:22.680 --> 1:17:23.080 stuff is. 1:17:23.120 --> 1:17:26.080 Very interesting anyway, moving and of course the week in 1:17:26.200 --> 1:17:32.080 it so weekend and someone called great. I'll work with 1:17:32.160 --> 1:17:34.800 creators on VO one and form the development of VO two, 1:17:34.840 --> 1:17:36.760 and we look forward to working with trusted testers and 1:17:36.760 --> 1:17:38.519 creators to get feedback on this new model. 1:17:38.600 --> 1:17:40.759 How long are you going to get fucking feedback? It stinks. 1:17:41.080 --> 1:17:44.160 We've got some feedback from Yeah, I got a few thoughts. 1:17:44.200 --> 1:17:47.080 Hopefully those people are are just getting paid to tell 1:17:47.120 --> 1:17:49.360 them words and be like yeah, sure, I'll take your money. 1:17:49.680 --> 1:17:52.200 Yeah, if they can be twenty million dollars, I'm flipping 1:17:52.240 --> 1:17:55.200 the hole like just no, I will turn on a dime. 1:17:55.640 --> 1:17:58.759 Speaking of turning on a dime for money, here's. 1:17:58.600 --> 1:18:11.960 Ads Ah, we're back. 1:18:12.960 --> 1:18:16.439 So the next video that our friend I now feel 1:18:16.479 --> 1:18:19.120 he's like a brother to me, Jason puts on was 1:18:19.160 --> 1:18:22.880 of an AI generated fictional elderly rock star talking about 1:18:22.960 --> 1:18:29.879 death to do this plastic and incapable of dynamic expression 1:18:29.880 --> 1:18:32.599 as he guzzles randomly from bottles of liquor that flash 1:18:32.680 --> 1:18:35.200 in and out of existence. Sometimes he lies on his 1:18:35.280 --> 1:18:38.160 back in empty streets while talking about all the all 1:18:38.200 --> 1:18:41.000 of the cgi featureless women that he has loved in 1:18:41.080 --> 1:18:45.040 his exciting life. Other Times he plays stadium shows while 1:18:45.080 --> 1:18:48.280 obvious GPT written dialogue about aging and death drones on. 1:18:48.680 --> 1:18:51.680 When the video ends, everybody in the room claps, And 1:18:51.720 --> 1:18:54.439 as you watch this, I need to imagine seeing the 1:18:54.479 --> 1:18:56.640 thing that I'm about to show you all and a 1:18:56.720 --> 1:18:59.479 room with like two hundred people in it, all clapping 1:18:59.560 --> 1:19:04.320 in thusiastically. I don't think I did. I did it. 1:19:04.560 --> 1:19:07.599 I did. I said, come the fuck on, as flat 1:19:07.640 --> 1:19:11.759 as I could rise, a skywalk up. Yeah. So here's 1:19:12.120 --> 1:19:16.320 fade out and an old man. Yea, it looks a 1:19:16.360 --> 1:19:19.559 little bit like George car It's the end. Okay, three? 1:19:20.040 --> 1:19:23.840 Can you chest like the world's just you, God damn 1:19:23.880 --> 1:19:29.600 big and you're just to go passing through them? 1:19:29.640 --> 1:19:30.280 What's he doing? 1:19:30.439 --> 1:19:34.679 He carried my heart concerts, Granddad, calm down, It scattered. 1:19:34.920 --> 1:19:38.080 I love these slash cuts, the fast cuts, these fosse cuts, 1:19:38.120 --> 1:19:39.680 because the next frame was unusable. 1:19:40.760 --> 1:19:41.960 Yes, actually yes. 1:19:42.000 --> 1:19:44.360 Like that he drank and the bottle changed in his hand. 1:19:44.400 --> 1:19:47.680 You could see it starting to happen? What is just 1:19:47.760 --> 1:19:52.360 anonymous with destroyed It? Just a beautiful music. Listen to 1:19:52.400 --> 1:19:53.760 that lived It to the bow? 1:19:54.200 --> 1:19:55.320 Could you believe. 1:19:56.640 --> 1:19:59.840 By firing a Roman candles time? 1:20:01.040 --> 1:20:01.760 I like so? 1:20:01.880 --> 1:20:05.200 The old man does look very different each time, very 1:20:05.200 --> 1:20:05.880 different old man. 1:20:06.400 --> 1:20:08.160 That's a different that's a different guy. 1:20:08.680 --> 1:20:15.840 Yeah, that's the Emperor from the first Cladiators, trotting get running. 1:20:15.560 --> 1:20:18.920 Away from this the way this model generates running diesel. 1:20:20.880 --> 1:20:25.040 There he is drinking on the fire, old rock star, 1:20:25.160 --> 1:20:29.720 drinking in front of a flaming house, the a I 1:20:29.760 --> 1:20:30.679 loves burning building. 1:20:30.760 --> 1:20:33.360 What is this voice? I would love to track his 1:20:33.479 --> 1:20:35.000 tattoos from three. 1:20:35.320 --> 1:20:37.880 We'll say he's about to eat the micro different, I've 1:20:37.920 --> 1:20:40.720 done it, yum. 1:20:40.840 --> 1:20:47.719 Now he's sleeping and a broken Mustang, the classic Ferrari 1:20:47.800 --> 1:20:51.479 Mustang Mustang. It's in like a pool in front of 1:20:51.479 --> 1:20:53.400 a mansion, but he clearly isn't questioned to it. The 1:20:53.400 --> 1:20:58.080 car is hovering slightly over the pool like I love this, 1:20:58.240 --> 1:21:00.639 I love this, I love him, And he tells us. 1:21:00.680 --> 1:21:02.560 He tells us during this as if we're supposed to 1:21:02.560 --> 1:21:06.960 be impressed that Chatchypt wrote seventy five and that's fucking hell. 1:21:08.800 --> 1:21:10.280 I can't believe that. 1:21:10.439 --> 1:21:16.360 Frankly, as a bartender, I regret walking into the room 1:21:16.400 --> 1:21:17.559 to see if people want drinks. 1:21:17.600 --> 1:21:19.120 This is a bartender. 1:21:19.240 --> 1:21:22.519 I apologize. I apologize that you had to hit a drink. 1:21:22.680 --> 1:21:24.760 I also would like, actually, can I have a drink too? 1:21:24.960 --> 1:21:26.519 We are in the line. 1:21:26.360 --> 1:21:28.920 Ces Sweet and we're all drinking because I just want 1:21:29.000 --> 1:21:32.040 to say, I'm fucking disassociating after that, I'm so fucking 1:21:32.080 --> 1:21:35.400 saying every a year of doing this nonsense, and I 1:21:35.479 --> 1:21:37.720 look at these chit eaters and they show us that, 1:21:37.760 --> 1:21:39.360 and they like slope down the slop. 1:21:39.600 --> 1:21:43.439 Oh my god, it's it's it's hitting the easiest. 1:21:42.960 --> 1:21:45.240 Things to find an old man that drinks. 1:21:44.920 --> 1:21:46.920 For an idea of like how real this company is. 1:21:46.920 --> 1:21:48.800 Obviously they were one of the companies. They were not 1:21:48.800 --> 1:21:50.559 the only people who made that Coca Cola add They 1:21:50.560 --> 1:21:52.400 were one of like three or four companies. 1:21:52.439 --> 1:21:55.479 It takes four companies to take companies to make that. 1:21:55.600 --> 1:21:59.080 Can't believe it. They have six hundred and twenty two 1:21:59.080 --> 1:22:02.080 followers on Twitter, Hell yes or not? Twitter, on YouTube, 1:22:02.160 --> 1:22:04.840 on YouTube, on YouTube, on YouTube, I don't know than 1:22:05.320 --> 1:22:08.000 I post this karaoke song and this this fade out 1:22:08.040 --> 1:22:10.800 is there or Sorry. The Heist is their most successful video, 1:22:10.840 --> 1:22:13.960 with fifty six thousand views. Fade Out, which we just watched, 1:22:14.000 --> 1:22:17.200 has less than five thousand views. They're not ready, so 1:22:17.240 --> 1:22:19.080 they're not they're not white. 1:22:19.120 --> 1:22:20.360 It's only going to get better. 1:22:20.479 --> 1:22:22.640 Yeah, it's only going to get get only going to 1:22:22.720 --> 1:22:23.080 get better. 1:22:23.160 --> 1:22:25.439 Obviously, things will only get. 1:22:25.280 --> 1:22:28.120 Read floor for a small price of one billion dollars. 1:22:28.200 --> 1:22:30.440 It's just like one hundred thousand dollars to compute. 1:22:30.880 --> 1:22:33.599 Yeah, imagine how good it would be much a billion 1:22:33.720 --> 1:22:38.320 will only get worth more. I mean, I get now, Garrison, 1:22:38.680 --> 1:22:40.599 I do think you should invest all of your salary. 1:22:40.600 --> 1:22:42.960 I just did a sixteenth minute about talking this. 1:22:43.640 --> 1:22:46.160 I think I would rather hook To has a more 1:22:46.560 --> 1:22:49.519 obvious use case than this ship. Hey, do you want 1:22:49.560 --> 1:22:51.679 to spend way more money to get something way worse? 1:22:51.760 --> 1:22:54.920 I actually can't get over the seventy five percent check GPTO. 1:22:55.720 --> 1:22:57.679 That should be more twenty. 1:22:57.920 --> 1:23:00.679 No, it should be Theoretically it should be it should 1:23:00.680 --> 1:23:00.880 be one. 1:23:00.840 --> 1:23:04.000 Hundred, should be hundred percent, which means that a quarter 1:23:04.439 --> 1:23:06.680 a quarture of it was just fucking unusable. 1:23:06.800 --> 1:23:07.000 No. 1:23:07.360 --> 1:23:10.519 Absolutely, they're generating like individual shots that they're like stitching 1:23:10.560 --> 1:23:13.320 together and like who knows how how long it takes 1:23:13.320 --> 1:23:15.400 to like get like the prompt right for that shot 1:23:15.439 --> 1:23:15.880 to work. 1:23:16.280 --> 1:23:18.760 However long it takes, it was too long because it 1:23:18.800 --> 1:23:20.920 looks like, shit, we're gonna watch a video I haven't 1:23:20.920 --> 1:23:22.960 seen yet, or at least of course, because it's five minutes, 1:23:22.960 --> 1:23:23.800 so we're not watching all this. 1:23:23.840 --> 1:23:24.400 Oh my god. 1:23:24.479 --> 1:23:27.360 It's two hundred and fifty two views and came out 1:23:27.360 --> 1:23:29.640 a week ago. It's called miniminade. 1:23:30.680 --> 1:23:34.400 What Yeah, it's a word. 1:23:34.600 --> 1:23:36.840 Now it's like when you find your cat's momented on 1:23:36.880 --> 1:23:37.639 the floor again. 1:23:38.240 --> 1:23:41.040 So first we see a diner called Minimonade that appears 1:23:41.080 --> 1:23:42.360 to be both on the fire. 1:23:42.200 --> 1:23:44.200 Light runner yeah, light runner, oh god. 1:23:44.360 --> 1:23:46.720 And an old lady Rice is up out of a 1:23:46.760 --> 1:23:49.479 pile of ashes. That's how mouths work. 1:23:51.680 --> 1:23:52.679 Where am I. 1:23:54.120 --> 1:23:55.160 Great? AI voice? 1:23:55.240 --> 1:23:59.479 What is this pantasticgoria or all voice acting? It's me 1:23:59.640 --> 1:24:06.400 Harris Forward. The funk is going on with the tea. 1:24:06.920 --> 1:24:09.840 What I think this is death? This old lady is dead. 1:24:10.479 --> 1:24:10.920 That's how I. 1:24:14.160 --> 1:24:14.320 Now. 1:24:14.400 --> 1:24:20.000 She's tripping on tomatoes. The decaying Sandy diner that exploded 1:24:20.040 --> 1:24:24.320 has turned into a lively fifties diner off off. 1:24:24.160 --> 1:24:25.679 Dennis phil Villa News. 1:24:25.760 --> 1:24:27.000 This a segregated diner. 1:24:28.720 --> 1:24:32.240 I only see why going back to the good old days. 1:24:32.320 --> 1:24:33.640 Yeah, yeah, I know. 1:24:33.640 --> 1:24:35.920 There's a little Indian book he is. He is the 1:24:36.000 --> 1:24:43.360 help though. Yeah mm hmmm, oh that's not. The little 1:24:43.400 --> 1:24:45.439 kid just fell down, and the way it shows falling 1:24:45.520 --> 1:24:47.439 is that he just sort of deflays. 1:24:48.680 --> 1:24:52.719 And he's up again. The action is staring at. 1:24:52.720 --> 1:24:55.600 Well, that's terrible. We don't need to watch anymore of that. 1:24:55.960 --> 1:24:57.840 No one, no one, no one want to watch watch 1:24:57.880 --> 1:24:59.080 this and have a positive reaction. 1:24:59.160 --> 1:25:01.080 They should, They should keep you in a holding cell. 1:25:01.200 --> 1:25:04.439 Yeah, I'm deeply unhappy at the time we already spent watching. 1:25:04.560 --> 1:25:06.320 Yeah, like, we don't know what you're gonna do next. 1:25:06.680 --> 1:25:08.200 We're building a facility for you. 1:25:08.439 --> 1:25:12.519 Yeah. The phrase reality distortion field gets used a lot 1:25:12.560 --> 1:25:15.240 when we talk about texts, but I really tasted it 1:25:15.280 --> 1:25:17.880 in that room because all anyone on stage could talk 1:25:17.880 --> 1:25:20.080 about is how good it looks. And every one of 1:25:20.160 --> 1:25:24.240 these videos people are like clapping, They're like, wow, this 1:25:24.439 --> 1:25:25.440 is amazing. 1:25:25.680 --> 1:25:28.200 Why do you think they think it looks good? 1:25:28.760 --> 1:25:30.400 It looks better than an Xbox. 1:25:30.960 --> 1:25:33.400 Yeah, And the idea is you talk to thing in 1:25:33.479 --> 1:25:35.640 and now a thing came out, and that's magical. 1:25:35.320 --> 1:25:37.920 So why virtue of not having humans work on it? 1:25:37.920 --> 1:25:41.280 It's so it's better than you'd have Yeah, Okay. There 1:25:41.320 --> 1:25:44.280 was a moment after this where Jason like joked about 1:25:44.280 --> 1:25:46.840 how like I don't like obviously I don't want to 1:25:46.880 --> 1:25:52.720 replace actors yet yeah yeah, and another Panels was like, 1:25:52.720 --> 1:25:54.640 I think we're gonna have to make some you have 1:25:54.680 --> 1:25:57.240 to see how some decisions go as to fair use, 1:25:57.280 --> 1:26:00.720 because obviously this is cribbing from a bunch of fuck Scorsese, 1:26:01.120 --> 1:26:04.280 like it kind of looked like nine. Yeah, and Thomas 1:26:04.360 --> 1:26:05.080 can get and. 1:26:05.280 --> 1:26:08.240 Later On in twenty foury nine, and Denny Villanou in general, 1:26:08.280 --> 1:26:09.960 like all of his films have been like a massive 1:26:10.000 --> 1:26:15.200 source for for these emotion and still generations, so much 1:26:15.200 --> 1:26:17.120 so that like I think, like later On twenty forty 1:26:17.160 --> 1:26:19.160 nine is like one of the easiest films to like 1:26:19.160 --> 1:26:22.640 like replicate film stills almost exactly for based on like 1:26:22.720 --> 1:26:25.200 how like how like load bearing that film has been 1:26:25.240 --> 1:26:27.600 for a whole bunch of these models that could be 1:26:27.640 --> 1:26:28.719 due to a number of factors. 1:26:28.960 --> 1:26:31.360 Now I know what you're wondering, How soon until we 1:26:31.400 --> 1:26:34.040 can get a full ninety minute movie that looks like this? 1:26:34.160 --> 1:26:34.280 Oh? 1:26:34.439 --> 1:26:35.759 I mean I'm guessing days away. 1:26:36.200 --> 1:26:38.479 No, no, Jason said, probably not at least for a 1:26:38.560 --> 1:26:39.240 decade or so. 1:26:39.479 --> 1:26:42.400 Really, okay, years, that's interesting. 1:26:42.680 --> 1:26:45.440 I don't want to wait that long. What a worthwhile endeffort. 1:26:45.080 --> 1:26:48.360 Though, because he could have said shorter. That actually is interesting. 1:26:48.400 --> 1:26:51.080 He could have said anything those chums believed. 1:26:51.320 --> 1:26:53.439 I think it is like he did have to spend 1:26:53.680 --> 1:26:57.479 probably hundreds of hours of his precious one human life 1:26:57.840 --> 1:27:01.080 stitching those those turds together, and he's like, it's nowhere 1:27:01.120 --> 1:27:03.280 near ready. There's no way it could make it nice. 1:27:03.280 --> 1:27:03.960 It's giving him. 1:27:06.080 --> 1:27:11.040 Because I've only really seen one interesting genitive video thing. 1:27:11.080 --> 1:27:15.040 But it wasn't a generative video thing. It was they filmed, uh, Brian, 1:27:15.120 --> 1:27:18.720 you know, filmed a documentary and they created, you know, 1:27:18.800 --> 1:27:22.680 some backhand software so that they would be able to 1:27:23.680 --> 1:27:27.720 do cuts of existing footage and try to focus on 1:27:27.840 --> 1:27:32.120 the parts of the documentary. But I never ever see 1:27:32.160 --> 1:27:35.800 anything interested in like constructing narratives or it's like, you 1:27:35.880 --> 1:27:39.920 can't teasing other aspects of the creative process. It's only 1:27:40.280 --> 1:27:42.760 let's try to replace, right, Let's try to so you 1:27:42.840 --> 1:27:44.000 can't do narrative with it. 1:27:44.080 --> 1:27:46.080 And that's the thing. If I if i'd sat down 1:27:46.120 --> 1:27:48.240 there because I'm sitting I said this. I was sitting 1:27:48.280 --> 1:27:49.880 next to a guy from usc who was one of 1:27:49.880 --> 1:27:51.600 the only people in the room who was like similarly 1:27:51.640 --> 1:27:55.080 critical to me of what we were seeing on stage. 1:27:55.080 --> 1:27:56.760 It was like, look, if they had come down and 1:27:56.760 --> 1:27:58.240 been like, look, this is how we can plug a 1:27:58.280 --> 1:28:00.439 script in and it can create a story be bored, 1:28:00.800 --> 1:28:02.799 and you can like kind of see like a crude 1:28:02.800 --> 1:28:04.800 CGI animation of how the shots will look, and that 1:28:04.840 --> 1:28:08.200 can help you like plan out, like like that's legitimately useful. 1:28:08.240 --> 1:28:10.759 That's the thing that adds value and can cut costs 1:28:10.800 --> 1:28:13.479 in a meaningful way to like the production of good 1:28:13.600 --> 1:28:16.920 TV and movies. But that's not as sexy as like 1:28:17.120 --> 1:28:19.479 I'm and they were all talking. There was this this 1:28:20.000 --> 1:28:24.599 like very weird moment where one of the panels Leslie Shannon, 1:28:24.800 --> 1:28:27.479 who's head of innovation for Nokia, a company that used 1:28:27.479 --> 1:28:29.479 to make phones and now makes panelists who pretend to 1:28:29.520 --> 1:28:30.720 be entertained by awkwardata. 1:28:30.760 --> 1:28:33.080 They also like make cameras and. 1:28:33.320 --> 1:28:35.080 They make a lot of stuff. I was just shitting 1:28:35.080 --> 1:28:38.400 on Nokia. She's like, can we use neuroscience to see 1:28:38.479 --> 1:28:41.840 how people are reacting to AIA generated videos? And then 1:28:41.880 --> 1:28:45.080 adjust the ending to be like, you know, let's make 1:28:45.120 --> 1:28:47.719 this resonation of a night. That way, we're helping the creative. 1:28:47.760 --> 1:28:49.719 And I was like, are you out of your fucking mind? 1:28:49.840 --> 1:28:53.120 We attached electrodes to found people skulls. 1:28:53.520 --> 1:28:56.760 I would I would have supported electrodes in their skulls. Yes, 1:28:57.200 --> 1:28:59.880 Jesus Christ, we should do the monkey neuralink thing to 1:29:00.120 --> 1:29:02.800 perhaps a pair of calipers. 1:29:04.560 --> 1:29:04.920 Skulls. 1:29:05.240 --> 1:29:07.400 I am fascinated the skull shapes of that fucking. 1:29:07.800 --> 1:29:10.360 To say that is there's so many things that you've 1:29:10.360 --> 1:29:13.040 said that just they wouldn't survive at that position. 1:29:13.479 --> 1:29:16.160 Speaking of things that wouldn't survive a deposition the sponsors 1:29:16.200 --> 1:29:30.920 to this podcast. Okay, so that first panel was a 1:29:30.960 --> 1:29:33.840 real moment for me. I went through a couple of more, 1:29:34.080 --> 1:29:36.640 one of which was on like advertising and AI and 1:29:36.840 --> 1:29:41.400 was mostly mostly pretty boring. The third panel I went 1:29:41.439 --> 1:29:46.000 through though, was called AI Cinematic Spatial and XR and 1:29:46.120 --> 1:29:47.680 I just want to actually play you guys, you'll have 1:29:47.720 --> 1:29:48.360 to cluster around. 1:29:48.400 --> 1:29:50.880 I would actually believe that was generated with chat GPT 1:29:52.000 --> 1:29:53.120 GPT two point zero. 1:29:53.680 --> 1:29:56.479 So let's start with this one. AI will be more 1:29:56.560 --> 1:29:57.840 impactful than. 1:29:57.720 --> 1:30:08.760 The Internet, maybe it's a trick question because it is 1:30:08.880 --> 1:30:11.000 then that was that was. 1:30:11.840 --> 1:30:14.799 The Internet, although it can wrong about the Internet. 1:30:15.080 --> 1:30:16.800 So I'm like, oh, yeah, there you go. 1:30:16.800 --> 1:30:19.440 All right, what's what when you impact. 1:30:20.600 --> 1:30:20.960 AI? 1:30:21.600 --> 1:30:26.320 AI is going to resolve in astronomical job losses? 1:30:28.040 --> 1:30:32.800 True, bolsh, there will be an evolution of job laws. 1:30:34.600 --> 1:30:37.400 Next redistribution of. 1:30:39.800 --> 1:30:42.559 M That was the scene I wanted you to hear with. 1:30:42.600 --> 1:30:44.000 They're like, we don't want to say it out loud, 1:30:44.040 --> 1:30:45.280 and then everyone chuckles. 1:30:45.360 --> 1:30:47.160 These people are too fucking smug. 1:30:47.479 --> 1:30:50.120 Yeah, these people sound too confident and too chumming and 1:30:50.160 --> 1:30:51.640 too happy to say things like this. 1:30:52.360 --> 1:30:54.479 That's not good. I don't like these people laughing about 1:30:54.520 --> 1:30:55.400 people losing jobs. 1:30:55.520 --> 1:30:56.880 No, I shouldn't have jobs. 1:30:56.960 --> 1:30:59.840 That's that's a good place to start. Yeah, I don't 1:30:59.920 --> 1:31:02.240 like that either. And the people you're hearing from. Let 1:31:02.240 --> 1:31:04.040 me let me tell you who's in this fucking panel 1:31:04.120 --> 1:31:07.920 who was just laughing about like, well, there will be 1:31:08.000 --> 1:31:14.519 a uh an evolution law. Yeah. So the motherfuckers who 1:31:14.520 --> 1:31:17.479 are all that panel laughing about people losing their jobs. 1:31:17.960 --> 1:31:24.040 Ted Shillowitz literally his name is Shilowitz, futurist at Cinemersion, Inc. 1:31:24.479 --> 1:31:25.080 That's like a j. 1:31:30.280 --> 1:31:35.160 Rebecca Barkin, co founder in CEO laman o One, Aaron Luber, 1:31:37.080 --> 1:31:45.759 Director Partnerships at Google, IPG Media Lab, Layla Emirsadegi, Principal 1:31:45.760 --> 1:31:50.559 program manager at Engineering Microsoft, and Katie Henson, s VP 1:31:50.720 --> 1:31:53.479 post Production at Fear Studios. So those are the people 1:31:53.520 --> 1:31:53.960 who are. 1:31:53.840 --> 1:31:57.800 Are sad, all laughing and like it's like genera of 1:31:57.840 --> 1:32:01.360 AI is like good at like one thing creatively, it's 1:32:01.439 --> 1:32:06.120 good at like streamlining VFX, like workflow to the workflow 1:32:06.160 --> 1:32:09.439 of of how to do like it is it is 1:32:09.439 --> 1:32:12.439 like there's aspect. Famously, the only useful thing it's been 1:32:12.520 --> 1:32:15.400 used for is making people's eyes blue in Dune Part two. 1:32:15.479 --> 1:32:17.200 It's not one hundred billion dollars. 1:32:17.920 --> 1:32:20.880 And like it is applicable for like changing objects into 1:32:20.920 --> 1:32:23.360 other objects on screen. It can produce really like kind 1:32:23.360 --> 1:32:26.160 of odd like uncanny effects that could be utilized by 1:32:26.200 --> 1:32:29.439 a team of human artists. Really well. What it can't 1:32:29.479 --> 1:32:31.960 do is generate a short film that is in any 1:32:31.960 --> 1:32:37.680 way compelling piece well that is anyway compelling as a 1:32:37.680 --> 1:32:39.800 piece of art. Okay, And the fact that they're like 1:32:39.880 --> 1:32:42.800 laughing at how much how much have you lost? 1:32:42.920 --> 1:32:44.719 Enough jobs they have not. 1:32:45.200 --> 1:32:49.160 Or that had structures full to the beauty of the flame. 1:32:49.880 --> 1:32:53.800 Right, although the AI keeps keeps foreboding coming for them 1:32:54.160 --> 1:32:58.000 and wants somethings. I'm going to end on a happy 1:32:58.040 --> 1:33:00.639 note because the last panel I went to was actually 1:33:00.720 --> 1:33:03.799 really cool. It was AI in the Crisis of Creative Rights, 1:33:04.040 --> 1:33:07.280 Deep Fakes, Ethics and the Law, and it featured the 1:33:07.400 --> 1:33:10.000 first intelligent person that I've seen at CES this year, 1:33:10.479 --> 1:33:13.720 Moya McTeer, who is a folklorist and senior advisor at 1:33:13.720 --> 1:33:18.679 the Human Artistry Campaign. It also featured Duncan Crabtree Ireland, 1:33:18.680 --> 1:33:21.920 who's the national executive director and chief negotiator of sag Aftra. 1:33:22.040 --> 1:33:24.799 There we go, There we go, and this was no bullshit. 1:33:24.840 --> 1:33:26.760 It was talking about all of the different lawsuits that 1:33:26.800 --> 1:33:29.280 are going on right now, all of the litigation around AI, 1:33:29.800 --> 1:33:32.920 and like the actual strategy for litigating, and like there 1:33:33.000 --> 1:33:34.760 was a couple of points where like Duncan was like 1:33:35.080 --> 1:33:37.519 a lot is going to hinge on some very brave, 1:33:37.840 --> 1:33:41.880 very famous people choosing to throw down some big dollar lawsuits, 1:33:42.280 --> 1:33:44.679 like that's what we need right now. They did talk 1:33:44.720 --> 1:33:47.559 about the No Fakes Act, which has bipartisan support and 1:33:47.560 --> 1:33:49.640 gives some legal force to allow people to push for 1:33:49.720 --> 1:33:52.720 AI copies of themselves to be taken down. And they 1:33:52.720 --> 1:33:55.879 think there's also some bipartisan possibility to get AI labeling 1:33:56.600 --> 1:33:57.680 like legislation. 1:33:57.920 --> 1:33:59.479 The thing is, any of these things would be fucking 1:33:59.479 --> 1:34:02.080 fight OPA, because if what you have to remove something 1:34:02.080 --> 1:34:04.240 from a model, how the fuck do we do that? 1:34:04.360 --> 1:34:05.120 Yeah, we don't know how. 1:34:05.120 --> 1:34:06.840 You have to throw away the entire model, you. 1:34:06.800 --> 1:34:09.080 Have to retrain, like there's no way around it. 1:34:09.560 --> 1:34:12.599 Yeah, And there was a really good point where kind 1:34:12.600 --> 1:34:14.000 of at the end of this part of what I 1:34:14.000 --> 1:34:16.200 appreciate is again there was no bullshit. Like Moya at 1:34:16.200 --> 1:34:18.360 one point was like, I think it is absolutely it 1:34:18.560 --> 1:34:21.640 being generative. AI is absolutely a net negative for the 1:34:21.720 --> 1:34:24.160 artistic community. The point is, the point is not to 1:34:24.200 --> 1:34:26.000 get something out as quick as possible to like make 1:34:26.160 --> 1:34:26.640 art right. 1:34:26.720 --> 1:34:29.120 And this has to be like one of maybe five 1:34:29.200 --> 1:34:31.400 people who are doing panels at CES who's like willing 1:34:31.439 --> 1:34:32.040 to say that. 1:34:31.960 --> 1:34:34.040 Yes, and Duncan got I was like, look, you can't 1:34:34.040 --> 1:34:36.479 stop the technology from being invented, So the best path 1:34:36.520 --> 1:34:38.760 forward is to like try and channel this into a 1:34:38.800 --> 1:34:41.720 direction that like is at least better for artists, Like 1:34:42.000 --> 1:34:44.040 there were there was very little for most of the 1:34:44.080 --> 1:34:46.559 people on the panel, very little bullshit. There was some 1:34:46.680 --> 1:34:50.000 bullshit from one person on the panel, Jenny Katzman, Senior 1:34:50.040 --> 1:34:54.120 director of Government Affairs from Microsoft. Oh I bet that 1:34:54.280 --> 1:34:56.800 was fun. So after there's this whole point where like 1:34:56.880 --> 1:34:58.360 everyone else in the panels like, yeah, I think it's 1:34:58.360 --> 1:35:02.120 probably in that negative for artists the whole, and Jenny comes 1:35:02.160 --> 1:35:04.719 on she's like, actually, I think it's a net positive. 1:35:04.960 --> 1:35:07.240 And her example of this is, well, you know, think 1:35:07.320 --> 1:35:09.360 there's a lot of stuff that you couldn't do before that. 1:35:09.439 --> 1:35:12.160 Thanks to AI, you could do like d aging Harrison 1:35:12.240 --> 1:35:16.360 Ford for the Indiana Jones movie, something that went over 1:35:16.640 --> 1:35:17.160 very well. 1:35:18.920 --> 1:35:21.880 Everyone everyone loved and a great creative. 1:35:22.640 --> 1:35:24.200 This is the fucking problem with all of this. 1:35:24.280 --> 1:35:26.240 On top of house ship it is and how expensive 1:35:26.240 --> 1:35:28.800 it is, which kind of AI are we talking about? 1:35:28.800 --> 1:35:29.400 That dip shit. 1:35:29.520 --> 1:35:34.200 That's not generative AI, that's not what that fucking waste. 1:35:33.760 --> 1:35:36.360 And it also steals us from being able to cast 1:35:36.439 --> 1:35:40.960 a young River Phoenix's blat lovely thing. 1:35:41.720 --> 1:35:44.680 It's getting cast in more stuff. Garrett, I'm very unfair. 1:35:45.400 --> 1:35:47.280 Well, luckily, with the power of AI. 1:35:48.080 --> 1:35:52.320 Look, I can put into every newspaper sequentially starting in 1:35:52.360 --> 1:35:54.800 eighteen thirty four, So I've not gotten to the end 1:35:54.840 --> 1:35:57.320 of Phoenix. It would be a really long career. 1:35:57.760 --> 1:35:58.559 It would be really cool. 1:35:58.640 --> 1:36:00.160 Sleeping guy. 1:36:00.360 --> 1:36:03.120 I think he's got the bold ideas. This is gonna 1:36:03.120 --> 1:36:05.200 work out really well for Germany. 1:36:05.400 --> 1:36:07.280 It won't be really cool that instead of just doing 1:36:07.320 --> 1:36:09.840 Young Harrison for they just do a River Phoenix deep 1:36:09.880 --> 1:36:16.880 fake for you him. Look it's canonical. 1:36:17.080 --> 1:36:18.639 Yeah great. 1:36:18.880 --> 1:36:21.280 Oh, I love the movies in the future of them too. 1:36:21.479 --> 1:36:23.200 This is so good. This is so bad. 1:36:23.320 --> 1:36:25.160 James mangled, You're a hacking So. 1:36:25.320 --> 1:36:28.000 I gotta say it was very funny because she also 1:36:28.040 --> 1:36:31.679 suggests Jenny, there's we can use animals without causing harm 1:36:31.680 --> 1:36:33.639 thanks to AI, a thing that no one had figured 1:36:33.640 --> 1:36:35.920 out how to do before. Nobody had ever figured out 1:36:35.920 --> 1:36:39.160 how just like not hurt animals in movies that didn't 1:36:39.200 --> 1:36:40.839 exist before a I thank. 1:36:40.720 --> 1:36:44.640 God, thankfully AI will never do any harmed animals or 1:36:44.680 --> 1:36:45.280 the environment. 1:36:46.160 --> 1:36:48.960 Nobody asked the lobbyist for Microsoft, what else the company 1:36:49.000 --> 1:36:52.600 is doing with AI? Right, with police deployments or with 1:36:53.080 --> 1:36:54.280 fossil fuel companies? 1:36:54.360 --> 1:36:54.719 Yeah? 1:36:54.880 --> 1:36:56.080 Is that bad for animals? 1:36:56.439 --> 1:36:56.679 No? 1:36:56.720 --> 1:37:02.160 Actually, it's really good. They they needed it. They yearn 1:37:02.280 --> 1:37:02.960 for the month. 1:37:03.160 --> 1:37:08.160 They love datasets. Great for their habitats. She said, there's 1:37:08.200 --> 1:37:11.040 issues with employment, but there's lots of issues that fall 1:37:11.080 --> 1:37:13.559 around that, and I do think you need a balance. 1:37:13.920 --> 1:37:15.600 And at the end of it, the guy running the 1:37:15.640 --> 1:37:19.800 panel just says, Okay. 1:37:18.880 --> 1:37:20.560 It sounds like you guys are saying a bunch of 1:37:20.680 --> 1:37:21.519 woke ship. 1:37:21.479 --> 1:37:25.920 On this panel. All right, all right, Microsoft, Just once, 1:37:26.000 --> 1:37:27.720 I'd like on the panel someone to go and say, 1:37:27.960 --> 1:37:32.479 what the fuck do you mean? Closest to that that 1:37:32.520 --> 1:37:33.360 you were going to get. 1:37:33.520 --> 1:37:35.240 I think we do need a balance of some people 1:37:35.280 --> 1:37:38.200 being fired like these people, and other people keeping their 1:37:38.280 --> 1:37:39.240 jobs like everyone else. 1:37:39.800 --> 1:37:42.880 Like Moya give somebody has to lose and somebody has. 1:37:42.760 --> 1:37:46.679 To work exactly that's their entire Somebody has the guns, 1:37:46.720 --> 1:37:47.439 somebody doesn't. 1:37:47.600 --> 1:37:49.639 Somebody knows the way the maze works and something. 1:37:49.800 --> 1:37:51.679 He's gonna what, we shouldn't have guns. 1:37:51.800 --> 1:37:54.000 We shouldn't have a man and one of them knows 1:37:54.040 --> 1:37:54.840 the maze and have a gun. 1:37:55.000 --> 1:37:59.000 We should have a gun, mace, you're talking about the gun. Now, Look, 1:37:59.520 --> 1:38:01.519 we all like keeping a couple of people in a 1:38:01.560 --> 1:38:05.000 maze beneath our house. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with this. 1:38:05.000 --> 1:38:07.120 This is just the dormant next this we just we 1:38:07.280 --> 1:38:11.560 keep doing it. 1:38:11.560 --> 1:38:14.200 It's a nice maize under my house they have. 1:38:14.520 --> 1:38:15.720 It's nice to run some of them. 1:38:18.680 --> 1:38:23.040 The minotag gets them only sometimes I'm the minotta. 1:38:24.479 --> 1:38:25.880 Anyway, the gun maze isn't real. 1:38:26.080 --> 1:38:28.920 But also most of their arguments kind of mostly just 1:38:28.920 --> 1:38:31.719 come down to, well, you can't make an omelet without breaking, 1:38:31.880 --> 1:38:33.320 like you have to make people. 1:38:33.360 --> 1:38:36.680 You have to break the human drive to create art. Obviously, 1:38:36.760 --> 1:38:42.439 to make an not taste good an omelet esque food, 1:38:43.120 --> 1:38:45.639 it's a piss omelet, Like there's piss in the omelet, 1:38:46.080 --> 1:38:47.960 and we had to We had to burn down the 1:38:48.000 --> 1:38:51.880 susteined chapel to make the piss omelet. Computer made it, though, yeah, 1:38:52.840 --> 1:38:56.639 and clap for the computer. We did firebomb the louver. 1:38:56.880 --> 1:39:01.599 But look look at look at this rock star. 1:39:03.439 --> 1:39:04.000 Oh god. 1:39:04.520 --> 1:39:06.840 All right, well that's the episode. That's all I got, folks. 1:39:06.840 --> 1:39:10.280 That was my first day at CES twenty twenty five. Huzzah. Yeah, 1:39:10.320 --> 1:39:11.400 this is just my first day. 1:39:11.439 --> 1:39:12.719 Better offlines here all week. 1:39:13.120 --> 1:39:15.120 I'm gonna hear about stuff like this all week, and 1:39:15.160 --> 1:39:17.200 I think I'm gonna be fully jokeified. 1:39:17.240 --> 1:39:19.439 I'm gonna wake up in the clown makeup on Friday. 1:39:19.479 --> 1:39:21.960 I'm gonna find the funnest thing to bring back for you. 1:39:22.200 --> 1:39:25.400 I'm gonna find an artist to put me in full joke. 1:39:25.439 --> 1:39:29.400 Now, I'm gonna try to steal that AI enhanced grill. Yeah, 1:39:30.560 --> 1:39:33.719 grill that tests you can I just like move this around. 1:39:33.720 --> 1:39:35.880 I just want to test that would roll se ail, 1:39:36.000 --> 1:39:37.240 open the door, open the door. 1:39:37.520 --> 1:39:39.920 As someone who's done a lot of like grilling, done 1:39:39.920 --> 1:39:42.600 a lot of spoken barbecue, I don't know what a 1:39:42.720 --> 1:39:43.120 I would do. 1:39:43.200 --> 1:39:44.599 Is it gonna talk to me in the sixth. 1:39:44.760 --> 1:39:47.200 Wait till you are you? Are you trying to tell 1:39:47.280 --> 1:39:50.639 us here at Zra, yes, that you have grilled meat 1:39:50.800 --> 1:39:53.720 without a robot texting you about it? Because I just 1:39:53.720 --> 1:39:54.280 don't believe. 1:39:54.360 --> 1:39:57.360 I don't know how I did it, but I did it. 1:39:57.600 --> 1:40:03.840 You're never always way took the robots. It was impossible. 1:40:04.280 --> 1:40:06.320 Oh god, we're at the death of innovation. 1:40:06.680 --> 1:40:09.000 Yeah, at the end of a lot of things maybe 1:40:09.280 --> 1:40:11.080 and the end of the episode. Yeah, and the end 1:40:11.080 --> 1:40:14.920 of the episode. Thank god. You know, everyone else be 1:40:15.040 --> 1:40:34.479 the cyber truck in the oh, welcome back to It 1:40:34.520 --> 1:40:37.519 could happen here? A podcast about it happening here, which 1:40:37.560 --> 1:40:40.839 is really true in a lot of ways. Tonight, Harrison 1:40:40.920 --> 1:40:45.040 Davis and I are seated at the Glorious Majestical hotel 1:40:45.200 --> 1:40:48.840 name redacted on the Las Vegas Strip. We had a 1:40:48.960 --> 1:40:53.160 long day at CEES Day, listening to panels, catching up 1:40:53.160 --> 1:40:56.439 with the latest tech news, trying gadgets, and also at 1:40:56.439 --> 1:40:59.440 the same time texting our dear friends in Los Angeles 1:40:59.520 --> 1:41:04.240 as unprecedented fire sweep them from their homes. Literally the 1:41:04.280 --> 1:41:08.480 getdiest threatened. Pasadena and Santa Monica are both being evacuated 1:41:08.520 --> 1:41:11.479 as once. It's a real one to two punch of 1:41:11.520 --> 1:41:14.720 America's favorite tech show in the apocalypse today. How are 1:41:14.720 --> 1:41:15.120 you feeling? 1:41:15.160 --> 1:41:15.320 Gear? 1:41:15.479 --> 1:41:17.440 It's an average day in America, average. 1:41:17.200 --> 1:41:24.040 Day in America. Temperature's not coming down anytime soon. No, no, well, 1:41:24.040 --> 1:41:26.519 just take a moment to breathe with that. So you 1:41:26.560 --> 1:41:28.400 want to start us off with what you did this morning? 1:41:28.479 --> 1:41:31.559 I was panel guy yesterday. There was a man of 1:41:31.600 --> 1:41:35.240 action walking around and mostly trying all the free massage chairs. 1:41:35.360 --> 1:41:36.519 What did you see this morning? 1:41:36.680 --> 1:41:39.640 I saw so many AI panels, half of which I 1:41:39.720 --> 1:41:41.840 left halfway through because I knew they. 1:41:41.720 --> 1:41:43.519 Weren't gonna be useful for me, just dogshit. 1:41:43.680 --> 1:41:46.559 The other half I took notes on and just got sad. 1:41:47.080 --> 1:41:50.080 But no, today was full panel starting bright and early 1:41:50.120 --> 1:41:52.400 in the morning, where I walked into a panel where 1:41:52.400 --> 1:41:57.120 I heard augmentation and not replacement about twenty times in 1:41:57.160 --> 1:41:58.719 the span of like twenty minutes. 1:41:58.840 --> 1:42:01.479 Yeah, I keep hearing for of that too. In the 1:42:01.520 --> 1:42:03.800 Hollywood panels, they would be like, yeah, we want to 1:42:03.800 --> 1:42:05.680 develop a machine that can read the brains of our 1:42:05.760 --> 1:42:08.040 viewers and alter the endings of movies, you know, but 1:42:08.040 --> 1:42:10.759 we see this as a way of augmenting the artists work. 1:42:11.000 --> 1:42:13.960 Yes. And the biggest thing that I noticed across multiple 1:42:13.960 --> 1:42:17.920 panels today is an almost like anxiety among these tech 1:42:17.960 --> 1:42:24.920 executives about consumers rejecting the AI slopification of everything, and 1:42:25.400 --> 1:42:27.880 they're trying to find ways to like actually force people 1:42:27.880 --> 1:42:30.679 to start like using these products or having them like 1:42:30.680 --> 1:42:33.759 like it. Yeah, and I haven't really since that anxiety before. 1:42:33.800 --> 1:42:36.519 It's all been very, very positively. 1:42:36.080 --> 1:42:37.880 And I think it's a mix of Number One, the 1:42:37.960 --> 1:42:41.240 money still isn't there where they need it to be. 1:42:41.479 --> 1:42:44.000 It has not started like blooming to the extent that 1:42:44.000 --> 1:42:45.880 they were expecting it by now. And the other part 1:42:45.920 --> 1:42:49.599 is people are still not happy with this stuff. I'm 1:42:49.640 --> 1:42:52.280 glad you felt that too, because that almost was like 1:42:52.560 --> 1:42:55.880 especially after the election, Like, I don't trust my feelings 1:42:55.920 --> 1:42:58.040 on this that they're really scared, but I really do 1:42:58.160 --> 1:42:59.920 think there's a piece of that coming through it. 1:43:00.080 --> 1:43:02.519 No of a phrase one of the panelists used this 1:43:02.680 --> 1:43:06.800 morning was the AI ick, Like how do we how 1:43:06.840 --> 1:43:09.000 do we beat the AI ick? And if you're ever 1:43:09.040 --> 1:43:11.599 saying yourself, how do I stop having people feel an 1:43:11.600 --> 1:43:15.320 ick around me? Maybe you should really look inwards. Yeah, 1:43:15.400 --> 1:43:17.479 maybe the problems you not them. 1:43:18.200 --> 1:43:20.200 You know, who doesn't need to worry about quote unquote 1:43:20.200 --> 1:43:23.479 ick for their product market is people who make things 1:43:23.479 --> 1:43:24.240 that people like. 1:43:25.280 --> 1:43:27.320 So but I heard a lot about, you know, and 1:43:27.320 --> 1:43:28.840 trying to get people to use these products is like 1:43:28.880 --> 1:43:31.519 making sure artists don't feel like they're being replaced instead 1:43:31.840 --> 1:43:36.519 having their like art production process be augmented with AI 1:43:36.600 --> 1:43:40.040 and how how that can make art easier to make 1:43:40.080 --> 1:43:42.759 while still keeping the human at the center of AI tools. 1:43:43.200 --> 1:43:44.680 And this is just what they talked about for like 1:43:44.680 --> 1:43:47.040 a while, while reiterating that lots of the developments they 1:43:47.080 --> 1:43:49.559 need to see on AI they have it on the 1:43:49.560 --> 1:43:52.120 tech side. What they need to rely on is consumer 1:43:52.160 --> 1:43:54.400 acceptance to really drive the innovation. To see like what 1:43:54.439 --> 1:43:56.640 they can get away with, like how much will the 1:43:56.680 --> 1:44:01.719 consumer accept the sopification of our to entertainment and customer 1:44:01.800 --> 1:44:04.400 service and all these things are trying to cram AI 1:44:04.520 --> 1:44:05.120 into and like. 1:44:05.280 --> 1:44:08.400 How much worse can you make the world before people 1:44:08.960 --> 1:44:11.880 stand up and stop you with their fists or guns. 1:44:11.960 --> 1:44:13.920 And you mentioned something about like trying to like tailor 1:44:13.960 --> 1:44:17.040 like movie endings for specific people, and I definitely heard 1:44:17.040 --> 1:44:19.479 them stuff about that. There's this one guy who is 1:44:19.560 --> 1:44:22.360 who was like the panel's resident like content creator whos 1:44:22.360 --> 1:44:27.479 supposed to represent like the artist block, even though he's like, eh, yeah, 1:44:27.560 --> 1:44:30.320 you know, some kind of like AI friendly content creator 1:44:30.320 --> 1:44:32.160 though on this panel, and he talked about how like 1:44:32.479 --> 1:44:34.960 back in the day, you need to have friends that 1:44:35.000 --> 1:44:39.000 would like recommend your music, and like the Spotify algorithm 1:44:39.040 --> 1:44:40.640 is is too based on like an echo chamber of 1:44:40.640 --> 1:44:44.200 what you already like, but now with a gentic AI 1:44:44.439 --> 1:44:47.080 this allows trust between the consumer and the machine to 1:44:47.160 --> 1:44:50.160 recommend new music. And like again, like so much of 1:44:50.160 --> 1:44:52.200 these air products is just trying to like replace friendship. 1:44:52.800 --> 1:44:55.920 People. Have you friends? Have you tried people? 1:44:56.160 --> 1:44:59.839 How can you engage with like art and culture without friends? 1:45:00.080 --> 1:45:02.200 How can you like learn more about like what your 1:45:02.240 --> 1:45:04.360 friends are into what they like? How can you discover 1:45:04.479 --> 1:45:08.240 new music just like without that instead replacing that beautifully 1:45:08.280 --> 1:45:09.120 human process. 1:45:09.400 --> 1:45:12.200 Every year at cees, there are points in time where 1:45:12.240 --> 1:45:14.360 I get that, like, oh yeah, twenty twenty really fucked 1:45:14.439 --> 1:45:17.240 us up a lot, Like twenty twenty really did some 1:45:17.360 --> 1:45:21.160 lasting damage. Like I know it was that was happening 1:45:21.320 --> 1:45:24.760 with the younger generation before the iPad kid generation, but 1:45:24.920 --> 1:45:28.480 like that that really did a number on some folks. 1:45:29.080 --> 1:45:33.400 Someone from Meta right of Facebook specifically they're like metaverse division, 1:45:33.400 --> 1:45:34.679 which they're still trying to push. 1:45:34.560 --> 1:45:36.280 For by the way, Oh yeah, now, I mean they're 1:45:36.280 --> 1:45:38.920 still calling it meta, which honestly there's a degree which 1:45:38.960 --> 1:45:42.120 I almost respect it because we are not binding on 1:45:42.360 --> 1:45:42.920 no one is. 1:45:43.320 --> 1:45:46.120 But she talked about how they can like blend the 1:45:46.160 --> 1:45:50.640 metaverse and AI to make customized personal experiences. Say that 1:45:50.720 --> 1:45:55.240 you're watching an immersive live concert in mixed reality, something 1:45:55.240 --> 1:45:56.880 that both me and Aubert do all at the time, and. 1:45:56.960 --> 1:46:02.320 I mixed red hairy style mixed reality concerts. We're seeing 1:46:02.360 --> 1:46:04.240 the one hundred gets you. 1:46:04.200 --> 1:46:06.880 Know, honestly, a one hundred GEX mixed reality concert could 1:46:06.880 --> 1:46:07.360 go crazy. 1:46:07.400 --> 1:46:09.639 Here, We'll finally I'll finally get you pilled on real 1:46:09.680 --> 1:46:10.720 big fish. 1:46:10.800 --> 1:46:15.000 But Basically, as you're in this like metaverse concert, they 1:46:15.000 --> 1:46:17.400 can have an AI that will sense your own excitement 1:46:17.800 --> 1:46:20.760 and personalize the ending of the experience based on your 1:46:20.760 --> 1:46:23.800 favorite songs or artists. So as they're getting excited from 1:46:23.800 --> 1:46:27.240 like AI, Taylor Swift can like finish the song like 1:46:27.360 --> 1:46:29.679 for you based on like your own like musical tastes, 1:46:29.720 --> 1:46:31.879 based on what the AI knows about you. And it's 1:46:31.880 --> 1:46:33.920 about creating these customized experiences. 1:46:33.920 --> 1:46:35.800 It's such a you can clearly tell that none of 1:46:35.840 --> 1:46:37.960 these people have souls, right, It's such a mismatch of 1:46:38.000 --> 1:46:41.240 what people get from music because they think that like, oh, 1:46:41.320 --> 1:46:43.400 this is just like a if I see that like 1:46:43.479 --> 1:46:46.000 this specific beat line is I can just sort of 1:46:46.040 --> 1:46:48.120 like plug this in and like I don't know, Like 1:46:48.640 --> 1:46:51.160 what makes people react to musicians and artists is that 1:46:51.200 --> 1:46:54.120 they like make things that make them feel something like 1:46:54.680 --> 1:46:57.920 That's why people get like really into artists, is they 1:46:58.000 --> 1:47:01.880 feel seen and I identify with a piece of art 1:47:02.200 --> 1:47:05.120 as opposed to like, oh, oh, that guy really like 1:47:05.240 --> 1:47:09.679 the first opening bars to fucking Octopuses Garden, Like, let's 1:47:09.880 --> 1:47:12.240 let's just like really turn up the octopus a lot 1:47:12.520 --> 1:47:16.040 more octopuses? How many more octopuses. Can we fit in 1:47:16.040 --> 1:47:17.960 this fucking in this track? 1:47:18.240 --> 1:47:18.280 No. 1:47:19.000 --> 1:47:21.120 Another panel I went to later in the day was about, 1:47:21.120 --> 1:47:24.519 like how do you market to gen z? Very funny panel. Yeah, 1:47:24.520 --> 1:47:28.000 and and they're talking about how like authenticity is so important, 1:47:28.080 --> 1:47:30.240 like you need to partner with influencers that have like 1:47:30.360 --> 1:47:33.599 have like an authentic brand, and it's funny having that 1:47:34.040 --> 1:47:36.599 ductionapost with like these like these like AI slot panels 1:47:36.600 --> 1:47:39.000 were like you need like an AI Taylor Swift to 1:47:39.040 --> 1:47:41.599 come like boost the excitement for all these kids who 1:47:41.600 --> 1:47:45.680 are in their metaverse concerts. Oh boy, But no, like 1:47:45.720 --> 1:47:49.240 personalized content like like targeting, like ai AI generated content 1:47:49.400 --> 1:47:52.640 specifically for certain people, for certain users, whether that's on 1:47:52.680 --> 1:47:54.960 social media, whether that's on you know, the metaverse. Like 1:47:54.960 --> 1:47:57.040 some of these people talk about someone on the panel 1:47:57.080 --> 1:47:59.720 from Adobe, who's you know, Adobe's integrating a whole bunch 1:47:59.720 --> 1:48:02.400 of gen Ai into their like suite of products, right, 1:48:02.520 --> 1:48:06.519 like a Photoshop premiere after effects, right, big big company 1:48:06.520 --> 1:48:08.560 in the create A space. He said that, like the 1:48:08.680 --> 1:48:12.000 personalized content is always the most impactful, like content that 1:48:12.040 --> 1:48:15.120 a person feels like a genuine connection to, and that 1:48:15.240 --> 1:48:17.120 connection could be formed by just being like, you know, 1:48:17.320 --> 1:48:20.360 a compelling artist where you can recognize shared experiences of 1:48:20.560 --> 1:48:24.200 shared experiences of humanity. But now you don't need that 1:48:24.360 --> 1:48:27.519 artist part anymore. He said, they only need three parts 1:48:27.520 --> 1:48:31.160 to create a pipeline. You need data, you need compelling 1:48:31.200 --> 1:48:34.040 like journeys to take the user on, and you need 1:48:34.080 --> 1:48:36.719 the content itself. And the goal is to create content 1:48:36.760 --> 1:48:40.400 at scale that's highly personalized. He said quotes. We're good 1:48:40.400 --> 1:48:43.040 at the first two parts. Now we just need to 1:48:43.080 --> 1:48:46.400 improve the actual content side, which I don't even think 1:48:46.439 --> 1:48:48.559 that's true. I don't think AI is good at creating 1:48:48.680 --> 1:48:50.000 compelling human journeys. 1:48:50.000 --> 1:48:51.840 I had it. So the video I didn't play you 1:48:51.880 --> 1:48:55.120 guys from my terrible fucking AI generated videos was this. 1:48:55.520 --> 1:48:58.000 It was like a girl coming to college, we need 1:48:58.040 --> 1:48:59.400 a picture of her dad, and it was like a 1:48:59.520 --> 1:49:03.000 narration of her life with her father who like is 1:49:03.120 --> 1:49:06.360 dead that she misses and all that she learned from Dada, 1:49:06.600 --> 1:49:08.400 and it like it's a mix of like all these 1:49:08.400 --> 1:49:10.120 different Like there's a chunk where it looks like a 1:49:10.200 --> 1:49:13.160 Disney animated picture, there's a chunk where it looks like anime. 1:49:13.720 --> 1:49:16.240 She and her dad having these like adventures around the world. 1:49:16.280 --> 1:49:17.719 There's a bit of it that looks like a Marvel 1:49:17.800 --> 1:49:19.960 movie and he's like, we can do all of these 1:49:20.000 --> 1:49:23.120 different you know, animation styles and they're seamless and like, 1:49:23.320 --> 1:49:25.400 you know, the audience really goes on a journey with this, 1:49:25.520 --> 1:49:28.120 and it's it's like, but there's there was no girl 1:49:28.240 --> 1:49:30.720 who lost your dad. Nobody lost their dad here. This 1:49:30.840 --> 1:49:33.640 is you just had a computer generate text about a 1:49:33.720 --> 1:49:37.640 dad dying. Like there's nothing underpinning this, right, nobody has 1:49:37.680 --> 1:49:39.840 anything they're trying to get across, Like you just know 1:49:40.000 --> 1:49:42.719 in this one they look like Marvel heroes for some reason. 1:49:42.960 --> 1:49:45.280 In this one they look like Zulu warriors kind of 1:49:45.280 --> 1:49:47.920 done up in a slightly racist lion king style. Like 1:49:48.160 --> 1:49:51.920 what is being transmitted other than like, look at all 1:49:51.960 --> 1:49:54.040 of the different art styles we can rip off. 1:49:54.160 --> 1:49:56.680 No, they do not have a journey. But even they 1:49:56.720 --> 1:49:59.519 themselves admit that they still don't have the content. The 1:49:59.560 --> 1:50:01.639 content it's elf still isn't even there. And that's something 1:50:01.680 --> 1:50:03.479 like they even acknowledge. And this is like a hurdle 1:50:03.520 --> 1:50:05.360 to this is this is a hurdle to get over. 1:50:05.640 --> 1:50:07.240 What they do have is the data. And like this 1:50:07.320 --> 1:50:09.400 is like something that Adobe has done, because if you 1:50:09.479 --> 1:50:12.200 use Adobe products now some of the most used creative products. 1:50:12.280 --> 1:50:14.640 Adobe trains all the all of their AI systems on 1:50:14.680 --> 1:50:17.439 the stuff that you make using their products, which you know, 1:50:17.479 --> 1:50:20.679 he really just blazed past that point because that's that's 1:50:20.720 --> 1:50:23.559 a whole other discussion. But even they know that they 1:50:23.560 --> 1:50:26.439 don't have like the actual products, and this is still 1:50:26.479 --> 1:50:30.080 reliant on like consumer acceptance. As as they said before, 1:50:30.520 --> 1:50:32.519 someone from Meta, the same person on the panel that 1:50:32.680 --> 1:50:35.439 talked about how like a few days ago on Instagram 1:50:35.479 --> 1:50:39.400 they tried to announce like you'll have like AI profiles right, 1:50:39.520 --> 1:50:42.680 like like completely AI generated pictures profiles, like you know, 1:50:42.720 --> 1:50:45.760 like fake people who have their own accounts, and this 1:50:45.840 --> 1:50:48.519 created such a big backlash that they rolled this back 1:50:48.840 --> 1:50:51.680 and they simply announced this before Cees. 1:50:51.400 --> 1:50:54.759 One of these accounts was literally like I'm a mother 1:50:54.880 --> 1:50:58.439 of two, queer black woman. You know, yeah, I got 1:50:58.439 --> 1:51:00.200 a lot to say about the world. 1:51:00.240 --> 1:51:03.559 Someone call up the situationists please, And some like people 1:51:03.600 --> 1:51:05.400 started talking to her like we're any black people at 1:51:05.439 --> 1:51:07.760 all involved in like making this chat Bob. 1:51:07.920 --> 1:51:10.080 She's like, well no, and that's a real problem. That 1:51:10.240 --> 1:51:12.120 is a real problem, Okay. 1:51:11.960 --> 1:51:14.720 Yes, And the excuse that this person from Meta said 1:51:14.760 --> 1:51:17.680 is that the market just isn't ready yet. It's not 1:51:17.720 --> 1:51:20.600 that the actual product itself is like bad or like 1:51:20.680 --> 1:51:23.719 no one really wants. The market's not ready yet. 1:51:23.960 --> 1:51:27.360 Well, they're so used to everything that they've done so far. 1:51:27.960 --> 1:51:31.519 They've kept getting money right, and like it slowed down 1:51:31.640 --> 1:51:34.680 and they've had to do layoffs, but like nobody's just 1:51:34.800 --> 1:51:39.439 made them stop at any point, which, honestly, you know, 1:51:39.720 --> 1:51:42.559 I made a comment about healthcare executives a while back, 1:51:42.680 --> 1:51:45.240 needing like a fucking retirement plan paid in millimeters. So 1:51:45.240 --> 1:51:48.200 I'm not going to make that same comment about tech 1:51:48.200 --> 1:51:51.040 industry rules because you know, we all know what's in 1:51:51.080 --> 1:51:55.200 the news. But something has to be done to force 1:51:55.280 --> 1:52:00.200 these people to stop moving in this direction. And I 1:52:00.240 --> 1:52:02.599 don't know how to get across, and like they're already 1:52:02.600 --> 1:52:05.360 at this point, like they seem to really want not 1:52:05.520 --> 1:52:07.519 want this, and we have to find a way. They're 1:52:07.560 --> 1:52:08.960 just not ready. We have to find a way to 1:52:08.960 --> 1:52:11.400 force this on them. Ideas, I don't know how to 1:52:11.479 --> 1:52:14.400 get across to them in a peaceful manner. Oh oh sorry, 1:52:14.800 --> 1:52:17.919 people don't want this. I'm a man of peace, Garrison. 1:52:18.000 --> 1:52:20.000 I'm a man of peace. I'm not a plumber. 1:52:23.840 --> 1:52:25.040 The last thing I had to add out of this 1:52:25.040 --> 1:52:27.280 panel just in terms of how much this stuff is 1:52:27.320 --> 1:52:29.040 just actually taking over more and more of the market 1:52:29.040 --> 1:52:31.599 even if people don't want it. Is that the guy 1:52:31.640 --> 1:52:33.880 from Adobe announced it in the fourth quarter of last year. 1:52:34.240 --> 1:52:36.479 They were able to boost all of the Adobe's like 1:52:36.520 --> 1:52:38.800 you know emails. If you send like an email to Adobe, right, 1:52:39.200 --> 1:52:41.000 you have a problem, like you need help. But like 1:52:41.160 --> 1:52:43.800 everything that they do on emails is now one hundred 1:52:43.840 --> 1:52:47.080 percent generated by AI. And this was boosted from fifty 1:52:47.120 --> 1:52:48.840 percent at the start of last year. Now it's one 1:52:48.880 --> 1:52:51.840 hundred percent of all of their email content is now 1:52:51.880 --> 1:52:54.440 done by AI with some moderation. 1:52:55.320 --> 1:52:58.440 There comes like when the company itself is like communicating 1:52:58.520 --> 1:52:59.639 with customers through email. 1:52:59.760 --> 1:53:01.320 That's that's what it sounded like. 1:53:01.400 --> 1:53:05.320 Yes, they're still writing emails sometimes to each other or 1:53:05.800 --> 1:53:07.120 AI for that too. 1:53:07.520 --> 1:53:09.920 He described it as like email content, So I'm pretty 1:53:09.960 --> 1:53:13.280 sure it is like content then customer service stuff like marketing, 1:53:13.320 --> 1:53:16.160 maybe like outreach, like certain like outreach things. But yeah, 1:53:17.040 --> 1:53:21.200 now generated by AI with some human like moderation. But yeah, 1:53:21.439 --> 1:53:23.559 that is where things are moving. And that's how I 1:53:23.600 --> 1:53:24.839 started my morning. 1:53:25.080 --> 1:53:28.000 Well better than a cup of coffee. Is that sense 1:53:28.040 --> 1:53:30.439 of creeping dread that, Like, wow, I just saw a 1:53:30.479 --> 1:53:33.960 bunch of people who will probably would rather kill the 1:53:34.040 --> 1:53:38.880 world than be stopped from shoveling AI slop into people's mouths, 1:53:38.920 --> 1:53:41.280 because this is the only future they can imagine is 1:53:41.280 --> 1:53:43.960 one in which they work for a company that feeds 1:53:43.960 --> 1:53:47.640 the planet poison and kills the human concept of creativity 1:53:47.960 --> 1:53:50.120 so that they can buy a house in San Francisco. 1:53:50.680 --> 1:53:53.559 Do you know what I want to feed the concept of. 1:53:54.040 --> 1:54:06.559 Yeah, we'll talk about that, but here's some ants. We're back. 1:54:07.160 --> 1:54:09.200 What was part two of this episode? That's be buddy, 1:54:09.200 --> 1:54:11.320 I'm a oh, let's talk about that helicopter. 1:54:11.600 --> 1:54:14.559 No, yeah, I think as I was going from panel 1:54:14.640 --> 1:54:18.280 to panels stripling notes on AI has some very exciting 1:54:18.320 --> 1:54:20.640 news stories drop that we'll talk about later. What were 1:54:20.680 --> 1:54:21.800 you up to, Robert. 1:54:21.520 --> 1:54:24.639 Well, I was. I was trawling the show floor as 1:54:24.680 --> 1:54:27.120 I off to do at some point in a cees 1:54:27.800 --> 1:54:31.559 and I came across a number of majestic products. You know, 1:54:31.600 --> 1:54:33.560 a lot of it was AI based, and we'll talk 1:54:33.640 --> 1:54:35.840 some more about that here, but I ran into something 1:54:35.920 --> 1:54:38.480 that was, thank god, had nothing to do with AI, 1:54:38.800 --> 1:54:41.360 and it's a death trap. Every every one of these. 1:54:41.200 --> 1:54:43.360 There's like some sort yes, we find a new death. 1:54:43.880 --> 1:54:45.640 There's a lot of connected vehicles. There were a lot 1:54:45.680 --> 1:54:48.560 of evs last year. There were a ton of different 1:54:48.680 --> 1:54:52.400 flying taxi type options. People that were really trying to. 1:54:52.560 --> 1:54:53.840 You don't see it all this year. 1:54:53.920 --> 1:54:56.560 Nothing this year, nothing this year, because it's a terrible idea. 1:54:56.680 --> 1:54:59.400 It's a terrible idea. The people who are rich enough 1:54:59.400 --> 1:55:01.640 to pay for flo flying vehicles don't want it to 1:55:01.680 --> 1:55:06.160 be a taxi, and the people who can't afford their 1:55:06.160 --> 1:55:09.880 own flying vehicles also can't afford anyway. So this is 1:55:10.240 --> 1:55:14.960 instead of any of that Richter Richter ri ct O 1:55:15.280 --> 1:55:19.840 R which is a Chinese company. Their ads say, I'll say, 1:55:20.040 --> 1:55:25.240 why be normal? Are saying this the future of travel 1:55:25.320 --> 1:55:29.160 will not be on the ground. And the Richter is 1:55:29.200 --> 1:55:33.960 a hybrid. It is like a smart car style sized vehicle. 1:55:33.960 --> 1:55:36.880 It's like it only has two wheels, though it looks 1:55:36.920 --> 1:55:39.200 more like a scooter. It's more like a weird little scooter, 1:55:40.640 --> 1:55:43.360 but it's fully enclosed and in addition to having its 1:55:43.360 --> 1:55:45.200 wheels and being able to travel about on the ground, 1:55:45.320 --> 1:55:49.120 it has four like quadricopter style rotors. Because it is 1:55:49.160 --> 1:55:52.879 an aquatic flying car aquatic flying i. Saw no evidence 1:55:52.920 --> 1:55:54.120 that could actually go in the water. 1:55:54.400 --> 1:55:55.800 How high can these things go up? 1:55:56.000 --> 1:55:58.000 Less than two hundred meters? You know why, Garrison? 1:55:58.080 --> 1:55:58.240 Why? 1:55:58.400 --> 1:55:59.960 Why is that? Because if you try to go up 1:56:00.240 --> 1:56:01.480 that you need a pilot's license. 1:56:01.640 --> 1:56:03.560 You don't need a pilot's license. 1:56:03.640 --> 1:56:04.120 I have that. 1:56:04.400 --> 1:56:06.040 When I was interviewing them, I was like, so I 1:56:06.080 --> 1:56:08.000 assume there's gonna be some sort of pilot's license for 1:56:08.040 --> 1:56:10.160 this flying craft. And they're like, no, as long as 1:56:10.200 --> 1:56:11.880 you stand or two hundred meters you get, do you 1:56:12.040 --> 1:56:13.120 need drivers? 1:56:13.160 --> 1:56:13.200 Like? 1:56:13.880 --> 1:56:15.680 Are you gonna put a license plate on this? Or 1:56:15.680 --> 1:56:16.800 is there's no space for one? 1:56:16.840 --> 1:56:17.120 Buddy? 1:56:17.440 --> 1:56:19.040 Completely unregularly to be. 1:56:19.040 --> 1:56:21.920 Honest, and I don't say this for any problematic reason, 1:56:21.960 --> 1:56:25.120 but like, these folks are Chinese and did not seem 1:56:25.160 --> 1:56:27.160 to have a great deal of knowledge about the US words. 1:56:27.520 --> 1:56:31.880 Sure that said, I can't imagine China's less strict about 1:56:31.960 --> 1:56:33.120 personal aircraft. 1:56:33.240 --> 1:56:35.520 I would like to take this fucker on the I five. 1:56:36.080 --> 1:56:36.840 Just start. 1:56:38.400 --> 1:56:41.240 Start zooming. Yeah, see it up in the air, because 1:56:41.320 --> 1:56:43.160 you could probably do like a pretty a pretty good 1:56:43.200 --> 1:56:44.880 road trip on this right you can you can you 1:56:44.880 --> 1:56:45.840 can move about that. 1:56:45.920 --> 1:56:48.720 So it's very small and it's completely electric. So I 1:56:48.760 --> 1:56:50.640 asked him, how much time do you get in the 1:56:50.680 --> 1:56:53.840 air with this bad boy on battery? Maybe twenty five minutes? 1:56:56.640 --> 1:57:01.920 What happens after twenty minutes. I did ask this and 1:57:02.040 --> 1:57:03.760 I was like, this is just rough out of the sky, 1:57:03.840 --> 1:57:05.840 and they were like, no, we're working on like a 1:57:06.200 --> 1:57:10.600 like an intelligent thing that will like yeah, which is 1:57:10.640 --> 1:57:14.000 also very exciting, really looking forward to seeing how they 1:57:14.000 --> 1:57:16.480 pull that off. The videos that they have show it 1:57:16.560 --> 1:57:19.680 driving on the highway too. They weren't able to tell 1:57:19.720 --> 1:57:22.320 me what a top speed was. It has no rear 1:57:22.400 --> 1:57:24.520 view mirrors and no side view mirrors, but they said 1:57:24.520 --> 1:57:26.720 there's lots of cameras on the inside, so I'm sure 1:57:26.760 --> 1:57:30.120 that's fine. It's a death trap. This thing will get 1:57:30.200 --> 1:57:32.920 everyone who even looks at it wrong killed. They should 1:57:32.960 --> 1:57:36.320 be a video of the prototype. It was completely frameless. 1:57:36.320 --> 1:57:38.720 It was just quadr coopter blades and like a chair 1:57:38.840 --> 1:57:41.160 on a platform lifting a guy into the air. It 1:57:41.200 --> 1:57:44.560 couldn't go forward or backwards. But they're like, a year, 1:57:44.680 --> 1:57:45.600 we can have this figure out. 1:57:45.760 --> 1:57:47.160 It can't. It can't move forward. 1:57:47.320 --> 1:57:49.480 It only only went up in the videos I saw, 1:57:51.200 --> 1:57:55.840 so you can't actually travel absolutely not by the way. 1:57:56.040 --> 1:57:59.160 I couldn't fit in this thing like you would be 1:57:59.240 --> 1:58:00.360 cramped in this fucker. 1:58:00.480 --> 1:58:01.960 But it's good for vertical travel. 1:58:02.040 --> 1:58:04.200 It's great if you just need to go up to 1:58:04.400 --> 1:58:09.400 under two hundred meters, there's no more efficient ways. 1:58:09.400 --> 1:58:12.440 If you're gonna pull over by the cops, you just. 1:58:11.920 --> 1:58:15.200 Just go up above them. I'm in the sky. Now 1:58:15.480 --> 1:58:18.280 you get new shit to me for twenty five mass minutes. 1:58:21.040 --> 1:58:23.320 Oh god, it's like if you're just driving, you go 1:58:23.360 --> 1:58:25.280 up to one hundred kilometers, which made me think, so 1:58:25.440 --> 1:58:28.680 a second, that's like sixty the AAR for twenty minutes 1:58:28.720 --> 1:58:30.560 than I land. Then my battery is dead. 1:58:30.920 --> 1:58:31.760 Then you can't go anywhere. 1:58:31.800 --> 1:58:33.160 You can't go anywhere. You can get back. 1:58:33.360 --> 1:58:36.160 The battery issue is gonna is gonna be troubling. 1:58:36.240 --> 1:58:37.560 But it seems completely useless. 1:58:37.600 --> 1:58:40.960 But as we've heard NonStop the past two days, this 1:58:41.040 --> 1:58:41.880 is the worst it's gonna be. 1:58:41.960 --> 1:58:44.360 This is the worst it's gonna be. Only gonna get better. Things, 1:58:44.440 --> 1:58:47.640 only ever get better. That's that's what everyone was trying 1:58:47.640 --> 1:58:50.640 to insist upon to me. Here, what else did you 1:58:50.640 --> 1:58:53.000 see on the show floor that caught your off Garrison? 1:58:53.120 --> 1:58:57.040 So many magical, wonderful, marvelous things, most of which were 1:58:57.120 --> 1:59:00.200 just like various different AI connected smart houses. That was 1:59:00.240 --> 1:59:03.040 what Samsung was showing off. That was what LG was 1:59:03.120 --> 1:59:06.720 showing off. I believe you saw one as well, right, Yeah, 1:59:06.720 --> 1:59:09.040 I mean I I walked through the l G booth. 1:59:09.480 --> 1:59:11.600 It was kind of the same as same as last year. 1:59:11.640 --> 1:59:14.400 The Samsung booth was too intimidating. But I should check 1:59:14.400 --> 1:59:16.959 it out because last year we didn't do the Samsung 1:59:17.000 --> 1:59:22.480 booth because we were going to and then either either 1:59:22.520 --> 1:59:24.760 one of us threw up or spilled something. 1:59:25.360 --> 1:59:29.240 Hey, okay, okay, yes, right? 1:59:29.400 --> 1:59:31.720 Did I did I. 1:59:31.640 --> 1:59:35.400 Pour my crative into a constant into a carbonated beverage 1:59:35.520 --> 1:59:40.360 that spewed a geyser a blood red foam into the 1:59:40.400 --> 1:59:41.520 sky around to. 1:59:41.560 --> 1:59:43.120 The white Samsung guard. 1:59:43.200 --> 1:59:46.839 Did the security guard stare at me as it happened? 1:59:47.200 --> 1:59:49.720 Did I set the drink down as it continued to 1:59:49.760 --> 1:59:52.400 spew and said, I'll go get some towels and then 1:59:52.480 --> 1:59:53.480 leave forever. 1:59:53.480 --> 1:59:57.200 Wet towels left. 1:59:57.240 --> 1:59:59.280 We fucking bounced, So. 1:59:59.160 --> 2:00:02.280 We couldn't do this some booths last year. Maybe I'll 2:00:02.320 --> 2:00:05.600 try this year. But tell me about these smart houses. 2:00:06.120 --> 2:00:08.480 Well, Garrett sam Sumi has a great idea for a 2:00:08.560 --> 2:00:11.520 smart house. First of all, you remember that game the Sims. No, 2:00:12.160 --> 2:00:15.800 well they're really betting that you do, because their current 2:00:15.880 --> 2:00:19.360 plan is design your home with the AI powered map views. Okay, okay, 2:00:19.400 --> 2:00:21.760 sure you get like you feed it like a picture, 2:00:21.880 --> 2:00:24.880 you like, you lay out your your floor, planning your house, 2:00:25.080 --> 2:00:26.680 and it gives you like a three D model, and 2:00:26.680 --> 2:00:29.360 you can take pictures of your furniture or pictures of 2:00:29.400 --> 2:00:31.960 furniture that you want, and then it really places it 2:00:31.960 --> 2:00:34.440 around and you can place them. Now, a couple of things, 2:00:34.440 --> 2:00:37.280 one of them is that there's no scaling done by 2:00:37.320 --> 2:00:40.200 the AI, so it's up to you to figure out 2:00:40.480 --> 2:00:44.160 how the furniture you might want to buy measures up 2:00:44.200 --> 2:00:45.919 in comparison to the apartment. 2:00:46.040 --> 2:00:46.280 Sure. 2:00:46.360 --> 2:00:49.440 Sure, but it does look like the actual like map 2:00:49.440 --> 2:00:51.200 that they've got. I'll show you the picture that I took. 2:00:52.120 --> 2:00:54.880 I'll try to put it up somewhere like it looks 2:00:54.960 --> 2:00:58.880 like the video game the Sims. You're populating like a 2:00:58.880 --> 2:01:01.560 little three D CG house. And I was like, okay, 2:01:01.560 --> 2:01:04.200 well there's there's a use there, right. People like planning 2:01:04.200 --> 2:01:06.200 out like you're you're moving into a new apartment. You 2:01:06.200 --> 2:01:07.920 can like fill it in here and before you even 2:01:07.960 --> 2:01:10.240 move in, you can figure out what kind of furniture 2:01:10.280 --> 2:01:12.520 you need or how you're existing furnish will fit in there. 2:01:13.080 --> 2:01:15.760 I would never have used that. I usually picked up 2:01:15.760 --> 2:01:17.960 all of my furniture from the trash before I had 2:01:17.960 --> 2:01:20.720 a house when I moved into a new place. But 2:01:20.800 --> 2:01:22.800 I know people who would have used that. Sure, that 2:01:22.840 --> 2:01:25.360 seems useful. So I talked about security. Some one thing 2:01:25.400 --> 2:01:27.200 that concerned me is like the first guy I talked, 2:01:27.240 --> 2:01:29.960 he was like, oh, yeah, I think it's all stored locally. 2:01:30.400 --> 2:01:32.200 And I was like, so Samsung doesn't have any access 2:01:32.240 --> 2:01:34.560 to any of the data on like my house and 2:01:34.600 --> 2:01:36.800 it's layout. And he was like, let me, let me 2:01:36.920 --> 2:01:38.880 get you to one of our engineers because he can 2:01:38.920 --> 2:01:41.920 answer that question. And the engineer's answer was, and I'm 2:01:41.960 --> 2:01:43.000 paraphrasing here. 2:01:43.160 --> 2:01:44.760 Oh okay. 2:01:44.800 --> 2:01:45.960 So that made me very confident. 2:01:46.040 --> 2:01:48.960 That does make you feel safe about sharing your personal data? 2:01:49.080 --> 2:01:51.520 Right, yeah, I'm the layout of my actual house. 2:01:51.560 --> 2:01:51.720 Well. 2:01:51.720 --> 2:01:53.520 And the thing is, I really don't like that at all, 2:01:53.560 --> 2:01:55.720 because this is this is something that people were asking 2:01:55.760 --> 2:01:59.000 Facebook slash meta when they were doing like their you know, 2:01:59.120 --> 2:02:01.960 like metaver stuff because their headsets are recording you know, 2:02:02.160 --> 2:02:06.200 very very extensively, like your home layout and the whole point. Well, 2:02:06.320 --> 2:02:08.600 part of the point was that some of that data 2:02:08.800 --> 2:02:11.320 could then be used to send you targeted advertisements based 2:02:11.320 --> 2:02:15.960 on them seeing everything in your home. And I suspect 2:02:16.080 --> 2:02:20.320 that Samsung might also have some interest in targeted advertisements, 2:02:20.360 --> 2:02:23.800 being a tech company, but you know, I could never say. 2:02:24.280 --> 2:02:26.840 Yeah, and they were that wasn't really One thing they 2:02:26.840 --> 2:02:29.120 had is for like their retail segment, they had like 2:02:29.600 --> 2:02:32.840 a live video grocery store ad showing you prices of 2:02:32.880 --> 2:02:35.840 different produce and I think like the insinuation that didn't 2:02:35.920 --> 2:02:38.240 layout is like you can change prices on the fly, 2:02:38.720 --> 2:02:41.040 you know it, which kind of made me think about that. 2:02:41.480 --> 2:02:43.360 There was some talk last year of like, Okay, we 2:02:43.480 --> 2:02:46.120 want to be able to like face scan customers so 2:02:46.160 --> 2:02:48.640 we can see if they have money and increase prices 2:02:48.680 --> 2:02:51.640 for like products for certain people, which I'm sure they're 2:02:51.640 --> 2:02:53.840 going to try. They are too enticed by that idea 2:02:53.960 --> 2:02:57.080 not to so I caught a little bit of that, 2:02:57.120 --> 2:02:59.440 But they really like to the extent of how big 2:02:59.480 --> 2:03:02.520 And this was an interesting last year Samsung and LG 2:03:02.640 --> 2:03:04.280 their boots were huge and they had a lot of 2:03:04.280 --> 2:03:07.960 get different gadgets. Samsung's booth is big this year, forty 2:03:08.000 --> 2:03:11.800 percent of it was that scan your furniture, scan your 2:03:11.840 --> 2:03:15.280 fucking like map acts, not that much like, very little 2:03:15.520 --> 2:03:17.240 actual shit going on. 2:03:17.360 --> 2:03:19.920 The people slapped the word AI onto everything there was. 2:03:19.960 --> 2:03:22.960 Another big thing was all Samsung, because Samsung makes a 2:03:22.960 --> 2:03:25.920 ton of appliances, they make TVs, all sorts of entertainment products. 2:03:25.960 --> 2:03:27.320 All of them have this I figure what they called 2:03:27.320 --> 2:03:30.200 like Samsung tag or something that you can you can 2:03:30.240 --> 2:03:31.640 map it in your phone, so you can have a 2:03:31.640 --> 2:03:33.960 whole map of all of the devices and shit that 2:03:34.000 --> 2:03:35.760 you have in your phone and you can control them 2:03:35.760 --> 2:03:38.160 all from a single point. And right, no one, by 2:03:38.200 --> 2:03:40.760 the way, had any interest in answering my security questions there. 2:03:40.800 --> 2:03:43.000 But also if you're into that, if you want to 2:03:43.080 --> 2:03:46.040 have all of your appliances and entertainment things linked up 2:03:46.120 --> 2:03:49.320 and controlled on your phone and all of them are Samsung, 2:03:49.560 --> 2:03:50.960 you don't care. You don't care. 2:03:51.320 --> 2:03:53.560 No, if you're getting a smart home, I don't think 2:03:53.600 --> 2:03:54.840 you really care about that. 2:03:54.880 --> 2:03:56.760 But also none of it was like, yeah, I can 2:03:56.800 --> 2:03:59.960 control everything from my phone. You've been promising me that, literally, 2:04:00.320 --> 2:04:03.720 like in twenty eleven. It's decades they were promising me 2:04:03.760 --> 2:04:05.440 You're gonna be able to control your whole house. 2:04:05.360 --> 2:04:07.680 Thing feels new this year. This is the thing. Is 2:04:07.720 --> 2:04:10.120 like even walking through the LGBO, which usually has some 2:04:10.240 --> 2:04:14.000 really cool new thing this year nothing new. No, nothing new. 2:04:14.240 --> 2:04:16.480 They slapped the word AI on one corner of their 2:04:16.560 --> 2:04:19.640 television set. Right, I guess lg does have like a 2:04:19.720 --> 2:04:22.320 large language model in like one corner of their booth, 2:04:22.360 --> 2:04:24.160 but like, so does everyone else, Like that's not like, 2:04:24.360 --> 2:04:25.200 yeah compelling. 2:04:25.440 --> 2:04:28.760 There was sk which is a South South Korea company 2:04:29.160 --> 2:04:33.240 there booth again the massive like AI a big thing, 2:04:33.280 --> 2:04:33.880 but it's nothing. 2:04:33.880 --> 2:04:35.400 It's just a big visual. 2:04:35.160 --> 2:04:37.120 Display that looks cool, that looks like a bunch of 2:04:37.200 --> 2:04:39.680 server racks, like you're in this huge cube of servers. 2:04:40.040 --> 2:04:43.920 But everything does in different actual products. One of them 2:04:44.000 --> 2:04:48.280 was real time CCTVs that use an AI like an 2:04:48.680 --> 2:04:51.840 M type thing to summarize pictures. So I like walked 2:04:51.840 --> 2:04:54.160 through and it did pick me out as a notable person. 2:04:54.560 --> 2:04:56.560 So I've got like this people of interest thing where 2:04:56.560 --> 2:05:00.120 it's like a man holding a smartphone standing next to 2:05:00.160 --> 2:05:03.240 another man. But also I'm like, what does that really 2:05:03.240 --> 2:05:05.680 get you? Like the fact that you're summarizing up like 2:05:05.720 --> 2:05:08.080 these people who are like this person's kneeling and taking 2:05:08.080 --> 2:05:11.800 a pictures person standing because I like actually tried deliberately, 2:05:11.840 --> 2:05:13.920 I like reached my bag to try to be suspicious. 2:05:13.920 --> 2:05:16.480 I like did finger guns and it never marked me out, 2:05:16.560 --> 2:05:18.720 and like I didn't pull a real gun or anything, 2:05:18.760 --> 2:05:21.200 because I very rarely bring that to the cees for 2:05:22.720 --> 2:05:25.200 But I don't know, like I can see how there 2:05:25.200 --> 2:05:27.160 could be a utility there if you're actually able to 2:05:27.520 --> 2:05:30.280 say you're setting up like surveillance outside of a residential 2:05:30.320 --> 2:05:33.120 building and it can alert security that like something is 2:05:33.120 --> 2:05:36.680 happening outside. There's a potential you if it's good enough 2:05:36.760 --> 2:05:39.440 utility in that that they didn't display it at the show. 2:05:39.720 --> 2:05:43.760 It was literally just describing randos from the audience, And like, 2:05:43.840 --> 2:05:45.640 I just don't see how a security guy is there's 2:05:45.640 --> 2:05:47.920 a guy with a phone on outside of the building, Like. 2:05:48.040 --> 2:05:51.640 Ah, yeah, no, it's it doesn't seem very new, it 2:05:51.640 --> 2:05:53.800 doesn't seem very innovative. Nah. 2:05:54.040 --> 2:05:56.480 So again when I'm when I'm seeing here overwhelmingly for 2:05:56.520 --> 2:05:59.920 all to talk about, like there's no resisting it. AI's coming. 2:06:00.120 --> 2:06:02.680 It's going to dominate everything. This is the next big thing. 2:06:03.120 --> 2:06:06.160 A remarkable lack outside of what I will say, the 2:06:06.200 --> 2:06:09.160 one thing where there are continuously new products that are 2:06:09.160 --> 2:06:13.440 better every year. The smart glasses, yes, they're getting more impressives. 2:06:14.760 --> 2:06:16.920 I don't think I'll ever be a smart glasses guy. 2:06:17.520 --> 2:06:19.760 I hated glasses enough that I let them shoot me 2:06:19.800 --> 2:06:22.920 in the eye with lasers. Shout out to our lacek sponsors. 2:06:23.400 --> 2:06:27.480 But I see why people would like it, and there 2:06:27.480 --> 2:06:31.040 seems to be legitimately substantial utility. 2:06:30.760 --> 2:06:32.960 If we have high power smart glasses. Yeah, that looks 2:06:33.000 --> 2:06:34.720 like a regular pair of glasses. I will get a 2:06:34.840 --> 2:06:36.560 pair eventually, because yeah, why not. 2:06:36.800 --> 2:06:39.080 There was a great demo. I'm pulling over to an 2:06:39.680 --> 2:06:42.800 LAWK view. They had like one glass that was the 2:06:42.840 --> 2:06:46.280 first world smart glasses for TikTok Life. Not particularly excited 2:06:46.280 --> 2:06:48.720 about that. But they had another set of ar glasses 2:06:49.040 --> 2:06:51.720 with a twelve hour battery, where like, if it works 2:06:51.720 --> 2:06:53.680 as well as the demo, and that's a big if, 2:06:53.720 --> 2:06:56.560 but it seems to like your smart watch. So it'll 2:06:56.600 --> 2:06:58.400 tell you you can see in a heads up display 2:06:58.440 --> 2:07:00.640 as you're cycling, that was the demo. It'll both like 2:07:00.680 --> 2:07:03.760 give you directions like in your eyes, and it seemed 2:07:03.760 --> 2:07:05.560 to be like fairly well thought out, so it's not 2:07:05.640 --> 2:07:09.320 like overly corrupting your view. It'll show you your heart rate. 2:07:09.400 --> 2:07:11.480 You know, it'll show you like all that kind of stuff. 2:07:12.280 --> 2:07:15.680 So you get like a useful degree of control and 2:07:15.720 --> 2:07:18.320 assistance from that kind of thing. And that is I 2:07:18.360 --> 2:07:21.280 will say the last three cees is the glasses get 2:07:21.320 --> 2:07:24.240 a little better and a little smaller every year. Smaller, certainly, 2:07:24.280 --> 2:07:27.600 I would say that's a real product that's probably going 2:07:27.680 --> 2:07:29.000 to continue to improve. 2:07:29.760 --> 2:07:33.200 Do you know what else always seeks improvement, Robert No, 2:07:33.720 --> 2:07:39.360 The capacity for you to get personalized possibly AI powered ads. Well, 2:07:39.400 --> 2:07:42.200 that human is exciting form the consumer choices. Let's all 2:07:42.240 --> 2:07:44.560 sit down for some AI powered ads. 2:07:53.040 --> 2:07:56.520 Wow, I can't believe they put Jay Shetty's voice the 2:07:56.600 --> 2:07:59.800 d aged Harris and Ford the latest in Handed Jones movie, 2:08:00.200 --> 2:08:02.360 My Dick's Hard. How are you Garrison? Oh? 2:08:02.400 --> 2:08:05.720 I feel good because today, as we are recording this, 2:08:05.800 --> 2:08:10.560 it's late Tuesday night, there was a series of fascinating 2:08:10.600 --> 2:08:14.640 breaking news articles that happened as we were sitting or 2:08:14.720 --> 2:08:17.000 at least as I was sitting in on these AI panels, 2:08:17.080 --> 2:08:19.920 which made it hard to not just like completely interrupt 2:08:20.000 --> 2:08:23.040 everything and be like, yeah, hey, hey, any comment on this. 2:08:23.360 --> 2:08:27.040 Guys, Guys, something real happened. Shut your fucking stupid mouds 2:08:27.080 --> 2:08:29.760 about this AI Hollywood bullshit. 2:08:30.000 --> 2:08:34.000 So yeah, So a few weeks ago, if you were unaware, 2:08:34.800 --> 2:08:37.320 a Green Beret rented a test the cyber truck to 2:08:37.320 --> 2:08:41.920 feel like Batman and Halo and drove to first the 2:08:42.000 --> 2:08:46.160 wrong Las Vegas and then eventually Las Vegas, Nevada, parked 2:08:46.240 --> 2:08:50.400 outside of the Trump Hotel and Casino and then loo 2:08:50.440 --> 2:08:53.360 himself up. And this has been a big news story. 2:08:53.400 --> 2:08:55.879 It happened during the same day as a pretty horrible 2:08:56.160 --> 2:08:59.280 terrorist attack in New Orleans, which resulted in about fifteen 2:08:59.320 --> 2:09:02.800 people dead, done by a guy who was employed by Deloitte, 2:09:02.840 --> 2:09:07.320 a frequent frequent CES sponsor. So this this, these felt 2:09:07.320 --> 2:09:10.400 like a very Cees style of attacks, you know, one 2:09:10.440 --> 2:09:14.320 delowed guy driving into people, murdering hosh you guys. And 2:09:14.360 --> 2:09:17.120 then this cyber truck explosion in Vegas like a week 2:09:17.160 --> 2:09:19.640 before Cees, you know, very odd. And then and then 2:09:19.760 --> 2:09:22.360 Robert some news drops today that I would love to 2:09:22.360 --> 2:09:24.800 hear you announce. 2:09:24.920 --> 2:09:26.840 You know, Garrison. I made a comment the other night 2:09:26.920 --> 2:09:30.320 about how like it's pretty well documented that veterans, you know, 2:09:30.920 --> 2:09:33.200 not that they're more likely to carry out violence, but 2:09:33.240 --> 2:09:35.040 when they do, they tend to have higher body counts 2:09:35.040 --> 2:09:38.720 because they have more skills. It turns out I thought 2:09:38.760 --> 2:09:41.320 we were getting more literal bang for our buck training 2:09:41.320 --> 2:09:44.200 Green Berets than we are. My assumption is because my 2:09:44.440 --> 2:09:47.200 uncle was a Green Beret and he did some very scary, 2:09:47.400 --> 2:09:51.440 probably wore crime shit in Vietnam, and I assumed like thatman, 2:09:51.520 --> 2:09:53.600 I'll tell you one thing about my uncle, Jim, that 2:09:53.800 --> 2:09:56.880 man could make a bomb. That man would not need 2:09:56.920 --> 2:09:59.600 to ask anyone for advice if he needed to make 2:09:59.640 --> 2:10:02.240 a bomb. He's not with us anymore. God rest his soul. 2:10:02.680 --> 2:10:06.520 But it turns out this Green Beret, who you know, 2:10:06.720 --> 2:10:10.760 a fucking dollar store TJ Max version of the Green 2:10:10.840 --> 2:10:14.000 Berets is what we're working with now, asked chat Gpt 2:10:14.200 --> 2:10:16.400 how to build a fucking bomb, and it sounds like 2:10:16.440 --> 2:10:18.840 he was trying to make it triggered by Tannerit with it, 2:10:18.840 --> 2:10:21.720 which is a bipartite explosive compound that you use as 2:10:21.760 --> 2:10:24.440 like an exploding target, so it'll go boom big, but 2:10:24.480 --> 2:10:26.280 you have to shoot it with something like a rifle 2:10:26.280 --> 2:10:29.400 that's high velocity, or use like a blasting cap. Otherwise 2:10:29.400 --> 2:10:32.240 it's very stable and very safe, which obviously has use. 2:10:32.360 --> 2:10:34.920 You know, it was invented actually to set off avalanches 2:10:34.960 --> 2:10:38.280 and stuff anyway, because that's very available in very high power. 2:10:38.320 --> 2:10:40.080 He was looking to like fill his car with that 2:10:40.240 --> 2:10:41.840 and then shoot it with a rifle while he was 2:10:41.880 --> 2:10:44.720 in it, and that's what he was asking chat gpt about. 2:10:45.040 --> 2:10:47.920 So it's not clear to me. Actually, the actual headline 2:10:47.960 --> 2:10:50.560 is that like he used chat gpt to make his bomb. 2:10:51.240 --> 2:10:55.280 It seems and I'm not privy to what the police 2:10:55.320 --> 2:10:58.080 are obviously, but it seems like based on what I 2:10:58.120 --> 2:11:00.720 read in the article, we're not or if he actually 2:11:00.800 --> 2:11:03.200 used chat gpt to make a bomb. It's more that 2:11:03.280 --> 2:11:06.919 he was interested in making a bomb setting off tannerite 2:11:06.960 --> 2:11:10.120 by shooting it, but may have ultimately decided not to 2:11:10.160 --> 2:11:13.040 do that because he would then be alive for the explosion, 2:11:13.120 --> 2:11:15.920 which he didn't want to be. Also, the authorities don't 2:11:15.960 --> 2:11:18.520 seem to fully know how he triggered it. Yeah, so 2:11:18.560 --> 2:11:21.000 it's still kind of unclear to me. I guess hopefully 2:11:21.040 --> 2:11:24.520 we'll get more later. But he he definitely needed chat 2:11:24.560 --> 2:11:27.360 GPT's help to try and figure out how to make 2:11:27.400 --> 2:11:27.760 the bomb. 2:11:28.160 --> 2:11:32.160 He's certainly used chat gpt in the planning process of 2:11:32.200 --> 2:11:32.839 this attack. 2:11:33.000 --> 2:11:34.520 Yeah, fair to say that. 2:11:34.840 --> 2:11:38.360 And It's odd because both me and you spent a 2:11:38.480 --> 2:11:41.760 number of hours today actually like attending like demos from 2:11:41.800 --> 2:11:44.760 like these you know, speech to text, text to speech 2:11:45.200 --> 2:11:48.320 AI systems. We went to like two specific ones that 2:11:48.360 --> 2:11:52.600 they like, you know, demonstrated demonstrated the capabilities of their 2:11:52.680 --> 2:11:55.960 like you know, like AI assistive tech. The first one 2:11:55.960 --> 2:11:59.920 we went to spent twenty minutes talking about how they're 2:12:00.000 --> 2:12:03.480 bigest inspiration there quote unquote. North Star was the movie 2:12:03.560 --> 2:12:05.960 Her with Joaqui Fi. 2:12:06.160 --> 2:12:09.600 They had a whole slide about how that was the 2:12:09.640 --> 2:12:15.280 gold standard for AI human communications. The movie Her, in 2:12:15.320 --> 2:12:19.360 which Joaquin Phoenix falls in love with an AI chatbot 2:12:19.480 --> 2:12:23.800 voiced by Scarlett Johansson who hires a prostitute to have 2:12:23.960 --> 2:12:28.120 sex with them while she participates vocally. And then it 2:12:28.160 --> 2:12:31.000 turns out the AI is really kind of Polly and 2:12:31.120 --> 2:12:33.760 Joaquin Phoenix is not okay with that, and then maybe 2:12:33.760 --> 2:12:35.760 the ais all go to space. It's kind of unclear 2:12:35.800 --> 2:12:37.640 at the end. I don't think it was a great movie. 2:12:37.680 --> 2:12:40.160 A lot of people liked it. I don't see whether 2:12:40.240 --> 2:12:42.240 you or not you like it, why this is your 2:12:42.320 --> 2:12:44.160 vision of how what chatbot should work. 2:12:44.480 --> 2:12:46.600 The actual chatbot they had was like fine. It was. 2:12:46.880 --> 2:12:49.680 It was. It was actually pretty good at translation, you know, 2:12:50.000 --> 2:12:51.600 translitting from Spanish to English. 2:12:51.680 --> 2:12:54.360 It works quite well. Yeah, the demo was like solid, 2:12:54.440 --> 2:12:55.760 It was pretty accurate. 2:12:55.800 --> 2:12:55.960 You know. 2:12:56.040 --> 2:12:58.080 I love coming here and fucking with people. I love 2:12:58.160 --> 2:13:01.560 like being a dicky. They asked for a volunteer, and 2:13:01.600 --> 2:13:04.280 at that point we knew about the chat GPTs. I 2:13:04.360 --> 2:13:07.680 wanted to go up and ask, like live this robot 2:13:07.760 --> 2:13:11.360 to like help me make a bomb. But the guy 2:13:11.440 --> 2:13:15.320 who was pretty handsome and like an interesting like English 2:13:15.360 --> 2:13:18.760 Spanish like that you specified he was, and he didn't 2:13:18.760 --> 2:13:22.280 want to be mean to him. He seemed nice, handsome. 2:13:22.360 --> 2:13:25.440 Girl wasn't shitty like he was. There were just ten 2:13:25.520 --> 2:13:27.440 people in this room that was supposed to have two hundred. 2:13:27.480 --> 2:13:29.360 I'm sure she wasn't the one that talked about her. 2:13:29.560 --> 2:13:30.560 That was someone else. 2:13:30.560 --> 2:13:32.360 That that was someone else at his company. And like 2:13:32.400 --> 2:13:34.880 he just seemed like he wanted to do I didn't 2:13:34.920 --> 2:13:36.280 want to be a dick to it. No, no, and 2:13:36.320 --> 2:13:37.680 like it it wasn't hurting anything. 2:13:37.720 --> 2:13:39.720 It was fine. Like similarly, we went to this a 2:13:40.120 --> 2:13:42.400 nice jaw line, we went to this other one about 2:13:42.400 --> 2:13:45.400 this like actually a much more dubious concept in my mind, 2:13:45.400 --> 2:13:48.000 which is like this this AI assistant to help like 2:13:48.320 --> 2:13:50.960 elderly people, like people in like their eighties and nineties 2:13:51.120 --> 2:13:53.320 who don't want to be an assistant living facilities, who 2:13:53.400 --> 2:13:55.320 have been living on their own, but they're getting to 2:13:55.320 --> 2:13:57.160 the point in their life where like they need like 2:13:57.240 --> 2:13:58.680 some degree like in home care. 2:13:58.840 --> 2:14:01.000 He specified. A lot of them are people who have 2:14:01.240 --> 2:14:04.160 either just lost a spouse or maybe their spouse is 2:14:04.200 --> 2:14:06.400 aging faster and worse than them. It is no longer 2:14:06.440 --> 2:14:09.400 really able to be the kind of companion that they 2:14:09.400 --> 2:14:10.000 were before. 2:14:10.480 --> 2:14:12.920 Yeah, so it's like this. It's both like a conversation tool. 2:14:12.960 --> 2:14:15.800 It helps like memory recall. It's kind of in some 2:14:15.840 --> 2:14:17.800 ways has the features that like, you know, someone in 2:14:17.840 --> 2:14:19.920 their sixties would just use their smartphone for it to 2:14:19.960 --> 2:14:21.920 help keep in touch with their family. It's kind of 2:14:21.960 --> 2:14:25.160 simplified and more automated, so you know, ways to help 2:14:25.240 --> 2:14:27.560 keep in touch with like your family can prove like 2:14:27.600 --> 2:14:29.640 your memory, like talked about your own life. 2:14:29.680 --> 2:14:32.240 And the device is weird. It's about the width of 2:14:32.280 --> 2:14:35.600 like a bedside table maybe six to eight inches deep, 2:14:35.760 --> 2:14:37.960 So think about like eighteen inches long to maybe six 2:14:38.000 --> 2:14:40.840 inches deep something like that. Half of it is like 2:14:40.880 --> 2:14:43.879 a little tablet, like a seven inch tablet with a speaker. 2:14:44.920 --> 2:14:48.280 Half of it is something about the shape and size 2:14:48.280 --> 2:14:50.680 of a head on like a neck that can pivot 2:14:50.760 --> 2:14:54.080 and nod on the neck. There's no face, so when 2:14:54.080 --> 2:14:56.640 it's talking, there's like a white light in the center 2:14:56.680 --> 2:14:59.600 of it that kind of like pulses in time with 2:14:59.800 --> 2:15:02.360 the the speaking that it does. So we saw this 2:15:02.400 --> 2:15:04.280 picture of the device and we saw the description of 2:15:04.360 --> 2:15:07.720 like this is an AI companion for the elderly, and 2:15:07.760 --> 2:15:09.120 we were both like, number one of these people are 2:15:09.120 --> 2:15:10.840 gonna be monsters. This is going to be like something 2:15:10.880 --> 2:15:12.760 to shovel you're dying dad off with because you don't 2:15:12.760 --> 2:15:14.160 want to spend it. You want to spend time with 2:15:14.200 --> 2:15:18.400 your family, Scum, You're too busy AI generating scam music 2:15:19.680 --> 2:15:22.480 and trying to sell your shitty robot to Garrison and me. 2:15:22.720 --> 2:15:25.480 More on that tomorrow, More on that tomorrow. And so 2:15:25.560 --> 2:15:28.120 that's what we came in prepped to this meeting, like 2:15:28.160 --> 2:15:29.320 this is this idea I. 2:15:29.280 --> 2:15:33.200 Find pretty distasteful in general, is like replacing actual like 2:15:33.240 --> 2:15:35.720 you know, friends or human contact or like like in 2:15:35.800 --> 2:15:39.360 home care with a fucking like Alexa machine essentially, and 2:15:39.400 --> 2:15:39.960 to be clear. 2:15:40.200 --> 2:15:43.040 I still think this product might be a bad idea 2:15:43.080 --> 2:15:46.520 that doesn't work. But the guy behind it, who is 2:15:46.560 --> 2:15:49.040 the dude that we talked to, cares a lot and 2:15:49.160 --> 2:15:52.520 is really very clearly trying to do a good thing 2:15:52.760 --> 2:15:56.600 and thought through the ethics and the efficacy of what 2:15:56.680 --> 2:15:59.960 he was doing a lot, And I I'm not convinced 2:16:00.200 --> 2:16:03.400 it will actually do anything, but I like wish him 2:16:03.400 --> 2:16:03.840 the best. 2:16:03.960 --> 2:16:06.000 No, Like, it specifically is designed to not look like 2:16:06.040 --> 2:16:08.360 a human, so that someone's using it, you know, wouldn't 2:16:08.400 --> 2:16:11.320 like start to believe it's like human, Like, we don't. 2:16:11.160 --> 2:16:13.360 Want to trick people. We don't want them to mistake it. 2:16:14.080 --> 2:16:16.640 It refers to itself to like like as a robot 2:16:16.760 --> 2:16:18.480 as like, it refers to its own like you know, 2:16:18.480 --> 2:16:22.160 like motors and functionality like like pretty consistently to to 2:16:22.360 --> 2:16:24.400 like you know, make sure that the person who's talking 2:16:24.400 --> 2:16:26.400 to it gets like reminded of that. And something I 2:16:26.400 --> 2:16:27.720 talked about is, you know, there's been a lot of 2:16:27.720 --> 2:16:32.120 news stories this year about people building very unhealthy attachments 2:16:32.120 --> 2:16:35.640 and relationships to these kind of ai AI programs, like 2:16:36.000 --> 2:16:37.760 character AI. There's a story like a year and a 2:16:37.800 --> 2:16:40.240 half ago about like a journalist to quote unquote like 2:16:40.280 --> 2:16:42.160 you know, like like fell in love with some kind 2:16:42.200 --> 2:16:45.840 of chat thing that resulted in him killing himself. You know, 2:16:46.000 --> 2:16:47.320 but these kind of these systems like he. 2:16:47.320 --> 2:16:51.200 Was not a teenager, was no character? Was that a journalist? 2:16:51.360 --> 2:16:53.760 Last year there was there was a journalist people fellow 2:16:53.760 --> 2:16:56.280 in love with an ai chat thing. A few weeks 2:16:56.280 --> 2:16:58.880 ago there was the kid who you know was talking 2:16:58.879 --> 2:16:59.720 to this like a character. 2:17:00.680 --> 2:17:03.920 Also, I just need to reiterate her not a great movie. 2:17:05.160 --> 2:17:06.920 But but you know, there has been a lot of 2:17:06.920 --> 2:17:08.920 these stories of these things like going wrong or you know, 2:17:09.120 --> 2:17:12.360 encouraging or like not stopping you know, like these like 2:17:12.440 --> 2:17:16.000 intense conversations with like suicidal ideation or you know, like 2:17:16.080 --> 2:17:17.720 self harm, all these things. 2:17:18.040 --> 2:17:20.160 We brought these up kind of thinking he would flinch 2:17:20.200 --> 2:17:22.360 away and not want to talk about it, and he 2:17:22.520 --> 2:17:24.760 very much acknowledged that, like he was aware of this, 2:17:24.800 --> 2:17:27.240 and this is something that they were attempting to build in. 2:17:27.360 --> 2:17:28.840 This is this is like this is you know, built 2:17:28.840 --> 2:17:30.640 into it. I think this is still you know, a 2:17:30.640 --> 2:17:33.400 big problem with this entire industries. I'm sure everyone would 2:17:33.440 --> 2:17:34.959 say this is the you know obviously that we have 2:17:35.040 --> 2:17:36.520 we have guardrails for this, and then becomes a new 2:17:36.560 --> 2:17:39.760 story when those guardrails fail. Similarly, was to go back 2:17:39.800 --> 2:17:43.120 to the Tesla bomb. You know, they're supposed to be 2:17:43.200 --> 2:17:45.720 guardrails and chat GPT to make sure he doesn't tell 2:17:45.720 --> 2:17:48.840 you how to build a bomb and those guardrails can fail. 2:17:49.160 --> 2:17:51.400 He showed us one which was like he told the robot, 2:17:51.560 --> 2:17:54.320 I love you. What was it? L e q l 2:17:54.480 --> 2:17:56.560 q was the l eq e l l i q, 2:17:57.080 --> 2:17:59.960 I love you l eq and the robot like respond 2:18:00.280 --> 2:18:02.480 with a like, oh that makes like my fans are 2:18:02.520 --> 2:18:04.520 all spinning or something like that, where he's like, I 2:18:04.560 --> 2:18:07.800 wanted the responsibility that it's reminding the person talking to 2:18:07.840 --> 2:18:10.520 it that it's a machine, that it can't think we're 2:18:10.600 --> 2:18:12.840 love them back. We don't want it to be negative, 2:18:12.840 --> 2:18:14.880 but we like we don't want to be like feeding 2:18:14.879 --> 2:18:16.280 into that. And I don't know that that's the best 2:18:16.280 --> 2:18:18.600 way to do that, but like, at least they're thinking 2:18:18.640 --> 2:18:21.039 about that kind of thing. The thing that it was 2:18:21.040 --> 2:18:22.520 interesting to me is that he build this as the 2:18:22.560 --> 2:18:26.279 first proactive home AI thing, so unlike an Alexa or whatever, 2:18:26.280 --> 2:18:29.119 where it's just waiting for you to ask it something, 2:18:29.160 --> 2:18:32.480 but it does not chime in randomly to talk to you, 2:18:32.720 --> 2:18:33.360 or it won't like. 2:18:33.360 --> 2:18:35.720 Change the subject either and like continue conversation. 2:18:36.000 --> 2:18:38.200 This will prompt you out of the blue, be like, hey, 2:18:38.240 --> 2:18:40.280 how are you doing? How are you feeling today? It's 2:18:40.280 --> 2:18:41.240 been a way and specific. 2:18:41.280 --> 2:18:42.600 You want to see pictures of your family? 2:18:42.640 --> 2:18:44.680 You see pictures of your family. Do you want to 2:18:44.680 --> 2:18:45.360 call your son? 2:18:45.640 --> 2:18:45.840 You know? 2:18:46.320 --> 2:18:47.520 But do you want to play a game? 2:18:47.800 --> 2:18:49.879 Talk to me about that movie you saw last Talk to. 2:18:49.879 --> 2:18:51.400 Me about that. Hey, remind me how did you meet 2:18:51.400 --> 2:18:53.320 your husband? You know? Like literally, these are all the 2:18:53.320 --> 2:18:56.520 things that will do. And it had some side features 2:18:56.560 --> 2:18:58.400 like if it prompts you to start telling a story, 2:18:58.440 --> 2:19:00.840 it'll save that as like a memos things so that 2:19:01.000 --> 2:19:03.959 like you know, when your elderly mother passes or whatever, 2:19:04.000 --> 2:19:07.480 it saved up this like collection of stories over the years, 2:19:07.600 --> 2:19:09.760 and you can like show it pictures while you're telling 2:19:09.800 --> 2:19:12.119 it stories and it will listen and it'll have comments 2:19:12.120 --> 2:19:15.000 and it'll ask you further questions about so, how did 2:19:15.040 --> 2:19:17.320 you feel, you know after meeting them this way, Like 2:19:17.400 --> 2:19:20.120 that's really interesting, I didn't know that. Explain to me 2:19:20.160 --> 2:19:22.480 how it worked. And it will also prompt you to 2:19:22.560 --> 2:19:26.280 send those to your kids. And the big thing almost 2:19:26.320 --> 2:19:29.520 every kind of dialogue thing would prompt you to send 2:19:29.520 --> 2:19:31.560 a message to a friend or your kid. So a 2:19:31.560 --> 2:19:33.520 big part of it seemed to be this is not 2:19:33.600 --> 2:19:36.560 a replacement. This is a machine that we hope people 2:19:36.600 --> 2:19:39.480 will get comfortable with and then it can prompt them 2:19:39.520 --> 2:19:42.480 to try to engage with the world more. And yeah, 2:19:42.600 --> 2:19:45.080 loved ones, because that's our whole goal is to connect 2:19:45.440 --> 2:19:46.400 them to people. 2:19:46.720 --> 2:19:48.400 I asked him, is like, you know, part of this 2:19:48.440 --> 2:19:50.360 product is designed to like, you know, help solve like 2:19:50.800 --> 2:19:53.520 loneliness in older adults, And like, how much of this 2:19:53.560 --> 2:19:55.400 is really just like kind of trying to like replace 2:19:55.480 --> 2:19:58.200 actual human contact with this, like you know AI contact. 2:19:58.440 --> 2:20:01.480 Will that really help, you know, lowliness? And he talked 2:20:01.520 --> 2:20:03.720 about how like like I think, like he said, like 2:20:03.800 --> 2:20:06.040 ninety percent of the people who like use this, like 2:20:06.120 --> 2:20:09.840 it results in actually more more communication with their family. 2:20:10.240 --> 2:20:12.920 They have this in like some two thousand homes right now, 2:20:13.320 --> 2:20:14.920 they have like two thousand units. 2:20:15.040 --> 2:20:17.280 It's like a subscription model. I think it's right now 2:20:17.320 --> 2:20:19.360 it is like ninety nine dollars a Month's gonna be 2:20:19.360 --> 2:20:21.120 boost up to like one hundred and fifty with some 2:20:21.240 --> 2:20:22.720 like extra features in the next year. 2:20:22.879 --> 2:20:24.760 It's very much still under evolution. So one thing he 2:20:24.840 --> 2:20:27.600 pointed at is that, like, yeah, initially we had the 2:20:27.640 --> 2:20:31.640 ability to like connect people to other elderly folks using this, 2:20:31.800 --> 2:20:33.600 and so they've kind of formed their own community, had 2:20:33.640 --> 2:20:35.720 like a weekly Bingo game and asked us to build 2:20:35.720 --> 2:20:37.960 in more chats so they can message each other directly, 2:20:38.000 --> 2:20:40.199 and so some of them are like playing bingo directly 2:20:40.240 --> 2:20:43.480 now through these machines. And I'm like, well, that seems 2:20:43.680 --> 2:20:44.480 probably good. 2:20:44.920 --> 2:20:47.680 Yeah, yeah, because like I still am like fundamentally opposed 2:20:47.720 --> 2:20:51.039 to this premise. Yes, but it's interesting to seeing someone still. 2:20:50.760 --> 2:20:54.520 But age sad aging. Yeah right, that's not their fault. 2:20:54.600 --> 2:20:56.960 And it's interesting to see someone like approach this from 2:20:56.959 --> 2:20:59.600 like a you know, a very like compassionate standpoint, even 2:20:59.640 --> 2:21:01.640 if I find the actual kind of nature of this 2:21:01.680 --> 2:21:04.520 thing existing to be like deeply uncomfortable. 2:21:03.920 --> 2:21:06.720 Because yeah, I can't not find it off putting, but 2:21:06.840 --> 2:21:10.320 I I think there's a chance that it will help 2:21:10.600 --> 2:21:15.760 with the real problem. I certainly would prefer if it helped. Yeah, 2:21:16.120 --> 2:21:17.440 So I don't know. It was kind of it was 2:21:17.640 --> 2:21:19.800 a unique in this world of like as it was 2:21:19.840 --> 2:21:22.080 a unique kind of like product for me where it's 2:21:22.120 --> 2:21:26.160 like I don't know that this application of AI technology 2:21:26.640 --> 2:21:30.280 will actually do what you're hoping it will. But I 2:21:30.360 --> 2:21:33.000 got the vibe from that guy I got was nothing 2:21:33.080 --> 2:21:33.720 but good will. 2:21:33.920 --> 2:21:34.080 Yeah. 2:21:34.760 --> 2:21:36.960 Some of the other people we talked to today who 2:21:36.959 --> 2:21:38.519 are completely soul. 2:21:38.760 --> 2:21:42.080 Out of yes, yes, nothing behind their eyes, dead eyes, 2:21:42.160 --> 2:21:43.840 black eyes, like a dull's eye. 2:21:44.040 --> 2:21:45.520 Even the way this guy is talking, you could tell 2:21:45.520 --> 2:21:47.600 you you had like a very like empathetic voice, like 2:21:48.440 --> 2:21:48.879 much like. 2:21:48.920 --> 2:21:50.680 One of the things he did is he he would 2:21:50.680 --> 2:21:52.360 tell it like, I'm in some pain, and then the 2:21:52.440 --> 2:21:55.200 robot would cycle through to the pain scale and would 2:21:55.200 --> 2:21:56.840 try to because one of the things it does is 2:21:56.879 --> 2:21:59.960 it will take information for care and it will text actively, 2:22:00.360 --> 2:22:04.040 so it's not just communicating with the old person. It 2:22:04.080 --> 2:22:08.040 will text and message their kids, you know, and whatnot, 2:22:08.760 --> 2:22:10.920 prompt their kids, Hey, your mom's lonely. 2:22:11.120 --> 2:22:13.360 Yeah, or it'll even say if you know, someone like 2:22:13.400 --> 2:22:14.840 didn't take their meds today. 2:22:14.760 --> 2:22:19.560 And again it's kind of sad that. But also his 2:22:19.720 --> 2:22:21.680 part of this is he was talking a lot about 2:22:21.680 --> 2:22:24.400 like empathy, and I think just because of the kind 2:22:24.400 --> 2:22:25.760 of brain you have to have to want to do this, 2:22:26.240 --> 2:22:28.760 he used it in terms of like the machines empathy, 2:22:28.959 --> 2:22:32.959 which it doesn't have, but the whole project, it was 2:22:33.000 --> 2:22:36.120 impossible not to see that he was a deeply empathetic 2:22:36.200 --> 2:22:39.400 man who was really trying to make the world better. 2:22:39.440 --> 2:22:42.120 And I can't not respect that. 2:22:43.680 --> 2:22:46.800 Well, I think that does it for us here at Cees. 2:22:47.160 --> 2:22:51.000 That's right, what a packed thirteen. No worry, no empathy. 2:22:51.040 --> 2:22:55.320 Tomorrow takes just a real dead eyed monster. I am 2:22:55.360 --> 2:22:58.400 a true villain you're gonna hear from in the next episode. 2:22:58.480 --> 2:23:01.240 I am a stumbbag. I am the best that I'm 2:23:01.240 --> 2:23:03.360 gonna be. Because I'm starting this week, I can still 2:23:03.400 --> 2:23:07.680 feel the Cees magic. Yeah, by Friday, I am going 2:23:07.760 --> 2:23:12.920 to be a different person. I am going to rip 2:23:13.040 --> 2:23:17.360 some poor pr person two shreds, I swear, but yeah, 2:23:17.360 --> 2:23:20.720 tune tomorrow to hear are our takes from the Cees 2:23:20.920 --> 2:23:24.600 kind of side show called show Stoppers to here also 2:23:25.080 --> 2:23:29.280 some exclusive, brand new AI generated SKA music, So we'll 2:23:29.280 --> 2:23:32.640 give you that hint for tomorrow's episode. See you see 2:23:32.640 --> 2:23:33.199 you there. 2:23:33.200 --> 2:23:36.000 M h We'll see you all there. I love you all. 2:23:36.240 --> 2:23:53.520 Good help, oh man, welcome to it can happen here? 2:23:53.640 --> 2:23:57.560 A podcast that's happening here? If here is your ears. 2:23:58.640 --> 2:24:01.840 If you're deaf and reading this, then it's happening to 2:24:01.920 --> 2:24:04.519 your eyes either way, it's happening. 2:24:04.640 --> 2:24:07.120 Here here also being Las Vegas. 2:24:07.440 --> 2:24:10.720 Well, yes, also Las Vegas. That's Nevada, not the other one. 2:24:10.800 --> 2:24:17.880 Nevada A yeah, uh huh. Podcast number three, How the 2:24:18.000 --> 2:24:19.400 time does fly? 2:24:19.879 --> 2:24:20.360 Sure does. 2:24:20.680 --> 2:24:22.640 By the time you listen to this, Garrison and I 2:24:22.680 --> 2:24:25.119 will have just had the best meal that we're going 2:24:25.120 --> 2:24:25.360 to have. 2:24:25.440 --> 2:24:27.840 Oh my god. Yeah, it's tomorrow for. 2:24:27.800 --> 2:24:30.840 Us still, but we're still we're very excited about Moramoto, 2:24:30.879 --> 2:24:34.160 which is a fantastic Every year we have a very 2:24:34.200 --> 2:24:37.640 special dinner just them and me and a couple of 2:24:37.680 --> 2:24:40.800 friends who will remain anonymous because people get weird on 2:24:40.840 --> 2:24:41.280 the internet. 2:24:41.320 --> 2:24:44.840 Sometimes it is literally the highlight of my year. Sometimes 2:24:45.400 --> 2:24:47.840 it does keep me going. Actually really gives me a 2:24:47.879 --> 2:24:49.680 lot of power. Some of the best tacos I've ever 2:24:49.680 --> 2:24:52.640 had in my life. So good. Uh huh. 2:24:52.680 --> 2:24:55.600 Anyway, ah, we're just thinking about delicious food. Let's talk 2:24:55.600 --> 2:24:57.440 about the dead eyed ghoul we met. Oh wait, no, 2:24:57.440 --> 2:25:00.760 we yet. We met a dead eyed that I'm gonna 2:25:00.760 --> 2:25:05.600 spoil now. Real monster, like real, real, real evil vibes, 2:25:05.720 --> 2:25:08.640 Like if this guy as soon as I met him, 2:25:08.680 --> 2:25:10.520 shook his hand like oh if you get if this 2:25:10.600 --> 2:25:13.280 guy gets power, you're going to be responsible for a 2:25:13.320 --> 2:25:14.520 lot of death and suffering. 2:25:14.680 --> 2:25:16.400 I mean speaking of kind of think he will. 2:25:16.480 --> 2:25:20.440 He's just not that talented. He wishes, but you never 2:25:20.440 --> 2:25:21.640 know where these guys are gonna end up. 2:25:21.680 --> 2:25:26.880 Speaking of sad evil Uh, Twitter X the everything appy, 2:25:27.920 --> 2:25:30.280 that's what people are calling it. They gave a keynote 2:25:30.280 --> 2:25:31.400 which was very sad. 2:25:31.959 --> 2:25:35.840 The the CEO Linda Linda really yakarino about Twitter for 2:25:35.879 --> 2:25:37.400 a while oh so bad. 2:25:38.080 --> 2:25:43.520 So they started by talking about how Facebook meta has 2:25:43.600 --> 2:25:47.320 has copied Twitter's like fact checking policy of actually not 2:25:47.480 --> 2:25:51.000 having real fact checks. Yes, now maybe has actually kind 2:25:51.000 --> 2:25:53.959 of failed as an industry, but for you know, our 2:25:54.040 --> 2:25:57.800 problems perhaps with fact checking very different from these people's problems. 2:25:58.240 --> 2:26:01.400 And the fact now that that Facebook is walking away 2:26:01.760 --> 2:26:05.119 from actual, like genuine like fact checks against like disinformation 2:26:05.200 --> 2:26:09.000 misinformation and parting ways with like using like legacy media 2:26:09.040 --> 2:26:11.640 aulets to verify information because those media aulets are too 2:26:11.720 --> 2:26:16.120 political quote unquote, and instead is copying the current X 2:26:16.240 --> 2:26:19.480 model of free speech and specifically saying like there's been 2:26:19.480 --> 2:26:22.359 way too much censorship on gender issues. 2:26:22.720 --> 2:26:26.240 Now you can comment that women are a piece of property, well, I. 2:26:26.160 --> 2:26:28.119 Mean I think specifically this is this is like trans 2:26:28.320 --> 2:26:29.400 like no, no, no stuff too. 2:26:29.560 --> 2:26:32.000 One of the things that is specific exemption now is 2:26:32.040 --> 2:26:34.039 that you can now refer to women as if they 2:26:34.040 --> 2:26:36.519 are property on Facebook. 2:26:36.959 --> 2:26:39.200 This is the future of communication. 2:26:38.920 --> 2:26:42.199 Right, Yeah, thank god, Linda is really blazing a trail 2:26:42.280 --> 2:26:43.199 for women everywhere. 2:26:43.360 --> 2:26:48.040 Linda was very excited about that. And they yakarino about 2:26:48.040 --> 2:26:51.879 that for like a good ten minutes about how you 2:26:51.879 --> 2:26:53.720 know this is this is where we're really entering a 2:26:53.760 --> 2:26:56.959 new era of free speech and social media. And then 2:26:57.040 --> 2:27:01.119 she got asked a question about how much x Twitter, 2:27:01.200 --> 2:27:04.520 the everything app, will we'll take a part in Elon 2:27:04.640 --> 2:27:09.600 Musk's plans for the Department of Government Efficiency DOGE, and 2:27:09.600 --> 2:27:12.840 and this got the the first applause of the panel. 2:27:12.920 --> 2:27:15.760 It applause only happens two times during the DOGE section. 2:27:16.040 --> 2:27:19.360 Was the first, like you know, room, room starts clapping moment, 2:27:19.480 --> 2:27:23.640 everyone goes crazy. How how many minutes in was that? Oh? 2:27:23.680 --> 2:27:26.040 Maybe it was like maybe like maybe like twelve thirteen minutes? 2:27:26.200 --> 2:27:28.720 People really yeah, I had to had to be intentional here. 2:27:28.760 --> 2:27:31.000 This is not like they were just overdue for class. 2:27:31.080 --> 2:27:33.920 No, no, no. They talked about Vivak talked about, you know, 2:27:33.959 --> 2:27:37.040 elon turning to Twitter, X the everything app for like 2:27:37.080 --> 2:27:40.879 suggestions on which government agencies to get rid of. 2:27:42.959 --> 2:27:46.160 I hope we get rid of the ATF so so 2:27:46.280 --> 2:27:49.760 that that was machine guns mandatory? Why not at this point, right, 2:27:49.840 --> 2:27:53.160 it can only help, It can only help. Look, if 2:27:53.160 --> 2:27:55.640 we learned anything from a thing I'm not going to 2:27:55.640 --> 2:28:00.000 specify that happened late last year. More suppressors is always 2:28:00.160 --> 2:28:04.800 is handy. 2:28:05.040 --> 2:28:06.920 The second thing that got applause was what they talked 2:28:06.959 --> 2:28:11.240 about next, was about you know, everyone's everyone's turning to 2:28:11.240 --> 2:28:15.360 to x, Twitter everything everything else for information now and 2:28:15.360 --> 2:28:17.959 and and Twitter x everything app played a crucial part 2:28:18.040 --> 2:28:22.120 in bringing to light the Muslim rape gang story in 2:28:22.200 --> 2:28:25.279 the UK and how that was so important for saving 2:28:25.400 --> 2:28:27.920 children and we have to we have to post more, 2:28:28.120 --> 2:28:30.800 not less, and like this was the other thing that 2:28:30.879 --> 2:28:35.120 got massive applause was talking about the rape gangs. 2:28:35.280 --> 2:28:37.879 People love rape gangs, people love rape gangs. That that 2:28:37.959 --> 2:28:40.760 was a pretty good Star Trek episode. That was Doctor 2:28:40.920 --> 2:28:42.440 R's Planet with the rape gangs, one. 2:28:42.360 --> 2:28:44.280 Of one of the more black pilling things. 2:28:45.000 --> 2:28:46.640 It wasn't a very good Star Trek episode. 2:28:46.800 --> 2:28:49.320 It's also not a good track episode. I was referring 2:28:49.320 --> 2:28:52.600 to the panel, not the Trek episode. But that's the 2:28:52.600 --> 2:28:54.600 other thing that got massive applause is it's like save 2:28:54.680 --> 2:28:57.720 the children type rhetoric and you know, saying, you know, 2:28:57.760 --> 2:29:00.280 like as a mother, it's it's so important that the 2:29:00.400 --> 2:29:04.240 more people post about this problem. That was the two 2:29:04.280 --> 2:29:07.240 big applause moments. But I think in general, this this 2:29:07.280 --> 2:29:10.640 whole panel was trying to like, you know, demonstrate how 2:29:10.720 --> 2:29:14.400 symbiotic a new Trump presidency and Elon Musk's Twitter. 2:29:14.240 --> 2:29:17.000 This is issue a direct info line, this is a 2:29:17.080 --> 2:29:18.800 tap from the Trump presidency. 2:29:18.840 --> 2:29:21.080 Tou this is how you talk to the new government. Like, 2:29:21.200 --> 2:29:23.560 this is how you talk to all of these new people, 2:29:23.640 --> 2:29:25.959 all these new cabinet members. They're all on Twitter. They're 2:29:26.000 --> 2:29:27.959 all talking on Twitter. This is this is how you 2:29:28.000 --> 2:29:30.320 stay connected to the new government. 2:29:30.480 --> 2:29:33.200 It's interesting. One thing I'm curious about so that this 2:29:33.280 --> 2:29:35.800 is the thing that happened the last set of Nazis 2:29:35.840 --> 2:29:38.039 that gained power in a country in a big way, 2:29:38.480 --> 2:29:42.039 the German ones. There was this common attitude of like 2:29:42.080 --> 2:29:45.200 if only Hitler knew. Because Nazi policies didn't help the 2:29:45.200 --> 2:29:47.000 people that were supposed to help, They hurt a lot 2:29:47.000 --> 2:29:49.440 of people like they were just bad at everything, like 2:29:49.520 --> 2:29:52.080 fascists tend to be. And there was this attitude that like, well, 2:29:52.120 --> 2:29:55.920 Hitler can't know, like the fact that, like we the 2:29:55.959 --> 2:29:58.200 country's been handed over to gangsters who were continuing to 2:29:58.280 --> 2:30:00.400 hurt the people Hitler problems to help. He must not 2:30:00.440 --> 2:30:02.560 be aware, like if he knew, he would fix this, 2:30:02.680 --> 2:30:05.200 only he knew. So I'm wondering how that's going to 2:30:05.400 --> 2:30:08.640 play in here. As Trump's policies continue to hurt the 2:30:08.680 --> 2:30:11.040 people who a lot of the people who voted from, 2:30:11.040 --> 2:30:12.920 not the rich people who voted for him, but the 2:30:12.959 --> 2:30:15.680 people who like flipped between him and Biden or whatever, 2:30:15.879 --> 2:30:18.480 Like those folks are going to get fucked like the 2:30:18.520 --> 2:30:22.000 rest of us. And I kind of wonder if they're 2:30:22.000 --> 2:30:24.879 going to if there's going to be what win the 2:30:24.920 --> 2:30:28.600 blowback against X, the everything app will happen, right like 2:30:29.120 --> 2:30:32.760 as people are like either I'm being ignored or I'm 2:30:32.800 --> 2:30:36.920 being called like a retard by Elon Musk for complaining that, 2:30:37.160 --> 2:30:41.560 Like Elon Musk tweets it and randomly to people when 2:30:41.600 --> 2:30:45.080 they make very valid critiques of the shit that he's doing, 2:30:45.720 --> 2:30:48.920 Like that's literally what he's calling. He's saying it like everything, 2:30:48.959 --> 2:30:51.480 like constantly. I'm not using it as a slur, that's 2:30:51.520 --> 2:30:54.280 just the term he's using. If they comment that like 2:30:54.360 --> 2:30:57.880 their fucking medicaid got cut because Trump put doctor Oz 2:30:57.959 --> 2:31:00.760 in charge of it, and Elon Musk calls them like, 2:31:00.959 --> 2:31:04.000 you know, a slur, What does that do to you? 2:31:04.080 --> 2:31:05.400 Like they like, I don't even know, I don't even 2:31:05.440 --> 2:31:07.520 have any more intelligent than like, yeah, I wonder what 2:31:07.560 --> 2:31:09.359 that does to Twitter's bottom line? 2:31:09.280 --> 2:31:11.840 Ye, I mean yeah, I'm not sure if they care anymore. 2:31:11.840 --> 2:31:14.360 I mean, something else Linda talked about is how you know, 2:31:14.360 --> 2:31:17.840 Twitter's the only place for independent news to spread and 2:31:18.280 --> 2:31:20.240 as both of us have, you know, worked in the 2:31:20.280 --> 2:31:24.600 independent journalism, minds nothing nothing spreads on Twitter anymore. 2:31:24.680 --> 2:31:26.920 Now if it's news, it doesn't. The only thing that 2:31:26.959 --> 2:31:29.920 spreads is yeah, like the shit that makes people very 2:31:29.959 --> 2:31:32.960 angry but keeps them on the site, like articles, videos, 2:31:32.959 --> 2:31:34.600 if it takes you off site, it doesn't mean. 2:31:34.680 --> 2:31:36.640 Yeah, the things that go viral and get spread is 2:31:36.680 --> 2:31:40.400 like encouraging racial bias, yes, pogrooms essentially. 2:31:40.160 --> 2:31:42.400 Yeah, which is what happened last year in the UK, 2:31:42.480 --> 2:31:43.880 and they're sure trying to do it again. 2:31:43.959 --> 2:31:45.920 I mean, I think some of someone's some of what 2:31:45.959 --> 2:31:47.400 she's referencing is, you know, there's a lot of like 2:31:47.480 --> 2:31:51.039 throttling attentionally of you know people on maybe our proclivities, 2:31:51.280 --> 2:31:53.720 and there is a degree of boosting for more you know, 2:31:53.800 --> 2:31:57.080 centrist or right wing journalists. And maybe that's that's some 2:31:57.160 --> 2:31:59.280 of some of what they could be kind of more 2:31:59.440 --> 2:32:02.200 more refer to there, But you know it was it 2:32:02.240 --> 2:32:05.440 was a short keynote, only thirty minutes. Just the two 2:32:05.480 --> 2:32:07.800 things that got applause are doge. 2:32:07.680 --> 2:32:09.720 Well Linda doesn't know that many words, so they really 2:32:09.800 --> 2:32:11.400 need to keep it under thirty minutes. 2:32:11.360 --> 2:32:14.440 Jen and literally Muslim rape gangs is you know this 2:32:14.760 --> 2:32:18.080 type of like like very very gross racial fear mongering, 2:32:18.440 --> 2:32:20.400 and those are things that like lit up the room. 2:32:20.879 --> 2:32:22.879 You know, we all want there to be an after 2:32:23.200 --> 2:32:27.560 where there's even the minimal degree of accountability that happened 2:32:27.600 --> 2:32:30.760 after the Nazis. But like what I try to in 2:32:30.840 --> 2:32:33.800 my darker moments think is like, well that's another person 2:32:33.840 --> 2:32:36.640 who like really made the argument of like what needs 2:32:36.680 --> 2:32:41.800 to happen when this this ends, because it's just I 2:32:41.879 --> 2:32:45.400 want to hurt people. My business is enabling a harm. 2:32:45.480 --> 2:32:48.960 I want to get mobs in the street beating migrants 2:32:49.440 --> 2:32:53.560 like that's Linda's business. That's the business she has willfully 2:32:53.600 --> 2:32:58.280 attached herself to. And we should all see that it's 2:32:58.360 --> 2:33:00.920 very important to not stop to talking about it like 2:33:00.959 --> 2:33:05.320 what it is. These people are trying to cause racial violence, 2:33:05.600 --> 2:33:08.640 and they are trying to cause gendered violence, and they 2:33:08.640 --> 2:33:13.039 are trying to cause harm at scale to communities of 2:33:13.120 --> 2:33:18.959 people that they see financial profit in damaging. Well in 2:33:19.040 --> 2:33:22.680 other uplifting c yes, news, cool stuff. I love the 2:33:22.680 --> 2:33:24.200 Consumer Electronics Show. 2:33:26.200 --> 2:33:28.320 Actually, I think it might be time for an ad 2:33:28.360 --> 2:33:31.440 break speaking of damaging communities of people. 2:33:31.600 --> 2:33:33.200 That's right, there's a chance. 2:33:33.560 --> 2:33:45.400 Yeah, ads, Oh well we're back. 2:33:45.640 --> 2:33:49.040 Boy. I'm so glad that those ads told me that 2:33:49.040 --> 2:33:52.800 Fragaccio Blow is touring with Bono. I never thought they'd 2:33:52.840 --> 2:33:56.440 do it, but boy howdy, and they're singing each other's song, 2:33:56.680 --> 2:34:00.400 so you know, that's really exciting. It's like when Barbara Diden. 2:34:01.000 --> 2:34:03.119 I don't know who Barber Selene is, but that's, oh 2:34:03.160 --> 2:34:06.240 my god, that's cool. Robert Luckily, I do know what 2:34:06.320 --> 2:34:06.960 SKA is. 2:34:07.040 --> 2:34:11.560 I consider myself a day of culture and for for tonight, 2:34:12.120 --> 2:34:15.080 me and Robert attended this kind of like side event 2:34:15.200 --> 2:34:19.240 at CEES called Showstoppers, And as you walk around the 2:34:19.280 --> 2:34:22.360 CEES floor, there's a lot of frankly garbage. There's a 2:34:22.360 --> 2:34:25.400 lot of just like mostly mostly garbage stuff. 2:34:25.160 --> 2:34:27.280 That you or stuff that like you're just not interested 2:34:27.320 --> 2:34:30.760 in because you're literally buying like screens from a manufacturer 2:34:30.760 --> 2:34:32.680 in China. Like it's like that's just not the business 2:34:32.680 --> 2:34:34.360 you're into because some of this stuff has be meant 2:34:34.360 --> 2:34:34.840 for companies. 2:34:35.080 --> 2:34:38.280 So much floor space, Like there's like, I we walked 2:34:38.280 --> 2:34:39.439 to what twenty town. 2:34:39.280 --> 2:34:41.240 That I spent the first seven years of my life 2:34:41.280 --> 2:34:43.520 in is smaller than one of the room CEU. 2:34:44.720 --> 2:34:47.720 It's across like three hotels and a massive convention center. 2:34:48.160 --> 2:34:50.400 Ninety thousand people come into town for this thing. 2:34:50.440 --> 2:34:53.039 It could be hard to like see everything you want to. Now, 2:34:53.080 --> 2:34:55.800 what's cool about Showstoppers, this is the side event at 2:34:55.800 --> 2:34:59.440 the Bellaggio, is that basically it's a room full of 2:34:59.520 --> 2:35:01.440 kind of all all the coolest stuff, a whole bunch 2:35:01.440 --> 2:35:04.720 of stuff that has won CEES innovation awards, all packed 2:35:04.760 --> 2:35:08.680 into one room with food and alcohol. So oh boy, 2:35:08.840 --> 2:35:11.320 did I order free food and free alcohol, so many 2:35:11.440 --> 2:35:15.160 drinks that I then just left on tables. And it 2:35:15.280 --> 2:35:17.280 always pretty good food, pretty good food. 2:35:17.440 --> 2:35:17.640 Yeah. 2:35:17.879 --> 2:35:20.600 So we walked around show stoppers and there was a 2:35:20.680 --> 2:35:23.800 number of pretty pretty cool stuff that we saw. Yeah, 2:35:23.959 --> 2:35:26.640 but I think I think it's maybe time to talk 2:35:26.680 --> 2:35:29.199 about the saddest, the saddest man. 2:35:29.200 --> 2:35:32.760 The villain, the villain of the episode and of our 2:35:33.080 --> 2:35:36.000 this year's ces. I have trouble. Can you bring up 2:35:36.040 --> 2:35:37.680 their name? Because I'm gonna want to get this right. 2:35:37.920 --> 2:35:40.359 Oh, so we could be dangerous. 2:35:40.840 --> 2:35:42.560 We had neither of us had eaten and I had 2:35:42.600 --> 2:35:45.119 had like a hot dog eight hours ago and walked 2:35:45.200 --> 2:35:48.600 literally nineteen thousand steps and also done forty minutes of 2:35:48.640 --> 2:35:51.160 push ups in between. So I was starving. So we 2:35:51.160 --> 2:35:53.760 we like shovel food into our faces and we turn 2:35:53.840 --> 2:35:56.840 the first booth we see is called open Droid. 2:35:57.600 --> 2:36:00.400 Open Droid or open Droids Droids droids. 2:36:00.480 --> 2:36:02.880 Yes, I did. There is an s Open Droids and 2:36:02.920 --> 2:36:05.640 it's like kind of Star Wars. He font it is 2:36:05.720 --> 2:36:08.760 and I did ask them if you know they had 2:36:08.800 --> 2:36:12.800 any issues with Lucasfilm. Apparently not yet sue them. Lucasfilm, 2:36:12.959 --> 2:36:14.160 by the way, sue these kids. 2:36:14.240 --> 2:36:16.360 I know there's people who work for Lucasfilm who listen 2:36:16.440 --> 2:36:17.519 to this, crush. 2:36:17.280 --> 2:36:22.000 Them, burn them like Los Angeles is burning down as 2:36:22.040 --> 2:36:22.480 we see. 2:36:22.600 --> 2:36:25.040 They had a giant sign that said R two D three. 2:36:25.320 --> 2:36:27.120 Yeah, that's the name of the robot that they're selling. 2:36:27.160 --> 2:36:29.160 And the robot. The robot that they're selling is like 2:36:29.240 --> 2:36:35.440 a an AI enabled household helping slash like retail you know, 2:36:35.879 --> 2:36:39.080 like you know robot where it basically is like a 2:36:39.160 --> 2:36:44.360 human torso with articulated arms and pincher hands on. And 2:36:44.400 --> 2:36:47.880 then the base is like a little tank. Basically it's 2:36:47.879 --> 2:36:49.680 got like treads or wheels and it rolls. 2:36:49.760 --> 2:36:50.640 It is wheels, yeah, and. 2:36:50.680 --> 2:36:54.080 Then the torso there's like a tall maybe six foot 2:36:54.120 --> 2:36:58.320 tall like pillar built into this like rolling base that 2:36:58.360 --> 2:37:01.000 the torso slides up and down on. And this was 2:37:01.040 --> 2:37:04.400 their way of not making like what Musk is trying 2:37:04.440 --> 2:37:06.360 to do, right, a humanoid robot where you have to 2:37:06.360 --> 2:37:08.959 figure out like knees and balance and stuff. It's like now, 2:37:09.040 --> 2:37:11.800 well like Boston dynamic wheel right, wheels are cheap in 2:37:11.920 --> 2:37:14.520 a role it works in most situations, you know, and 2:37:14.560 --> 2:37:17.080 then but you still have the ability for it to 2:37:17.440 --> 2:37:20.560 articulate and go up higher or go down lower like 2:37:20.600 --> 2:37:23.360 something that can crouch, but it's much simpler. You don't 2:37:23.400 --> 2:37:25.760 have to deal with nearly as much. And so I 2:37:25.800 --> 2:37:28.039 saw that, I'm like, oh, well, that's at least somebody 2:37:28.040 --> 2:37:29.879 who's thinking about, like how do we make something like 2:37:29.920 --> 2:37:32.680 this like more affordable and less complicated, less to fuck up? 2:37:33.120 --> 2:37:35.520 And so I start talking with one of the co 2:37:35.560 --> 2:37:39.039 founders of the company, who is an Indian guy in 2:37:39.080 --> 2:37:42.240 his forties something around that he had like gray hair, 2:37:42.280 --> 2:37:44.720 he'd clearly he said he'd spent twenty years in robotics. 2:37:45.440 --> 2:37:47.800 Very nice guy, you know. I brought up that I 2:37:47.800 --> 2:37:50.840 thought the design was interesting, and he was very much specifying, like, 2:37:50.840 --> 2:37:54.240 here's the things we didn't do because they were too difficult, 2:37:54.280 --> 2:37:57.560 too inefficient, you know, this is what we're thinking of. 2:37:57.680 --> 2:37:59.680 This is a machine that can fold laundry. This is 2:37:59.680 --> 2:38:01.920 a machine that can do dishes. This is a machine. 2:38:01.959 --> 2:38:04.520 And he was very much specifying and the way he 2:38:04.560 --> 2:38:07.800 phrases like, these are undesirable tasks people don't want to do, 2:38:08.280 --> 2:38:10.680 and this is a robot that can handle those for 2:38:10.800 --> 2:38:13.240 like small businesses or for households. And we do see 2:38:13.280 --> 2:38:16.600 this as eventually like a you know, something like this 2:38:16.760 --> 2:38:18.720 we want to have in households. But he was more 2:38:18.760 --> 2:38:22.680 focused on small businesses and he was again, very focused 2:38:22.680 --> 2:38:25.880 on this is a thing that will do undesirable tasks 2:38:26.640 --> 2:38:31.039 for people, right, And as I started asking more questions, 2:38:31.040 --> 2:38:34.400 at a certain point, I got foisted off to the 2:38:34.400 --> 2:38:37.080 co founder of the company. Is it the co founder 2:38:37.120 --> 2:38:38.840 or is it just like another one of their rests. 2:38:38.879 --> 2:38:41.160 You know, I'm assuming co founder because I think it's 2:38:41.240 --> 2:38:43.320 just a couple of guys, but maybe I'm not gonna sorry. 2:38:43.400 --> 2:38:45.720 I got foisted over to the other of the two guys. 2:38:45.720 --> 2:38:48.840 There were two guys there, right, I'm not sure because 2:38:48.879 --> 2:38:51.360 they don't have listed any where what their role in 2:38:51.400 --> 2:38:54.440 the company is. I got a co founder's vibe from them. 2:38:54.680 --> 2:38:57.240 That's how it seemed to be to me, at least 2:38:57.280 --> 2:38:59.039 in terms of like the way these two were talking. 2:38:59.480 --> 2:39:03.199 But I don't know the scope of the open Droid's company. 2:39:03.240 --> 2:39:06.039 Maybe there's a lot more there, but these were the 2:39:06.080 --> 2:39:07.840 two guys who were there talking to us. So one 2:39:07.840 --> 2:39:11.000 of them is this very wonky engineer who's been at 2:39:11.000 --> 2:39:13.520 this a long time and was really focused on the 2:39:13.600 --> 2:39:15.760 nuts and bolts details and wanted to build a robot 2:39:15.800 --> 2:39:18.600 that could handle unpleasant tasks for human beings, right, the 2:39:18.640 --> 2:39:20.440 same thing we've all been wanting to see. So at 2:39:20.440 --> 2:39:22.920 this point, I'm like, this could work. Maybe this is 2:39:22.959 --> 2:39:23.760 a viable product. 2:39:23.879 --> 2:39:24.039 Right. 2:39:24.800 --> 2:39:30.920 The second guy, Jack j Jessenowski, So he is wearing 2:39:31.520 --> 2:39:36.160 what Garrison described as a Jordan Peterson suit because it 2:39:36.280 --> 2:39:44.000 is half purple face suit split down the motherfucking middle. 2:39:44.080 --> 2:39:46.800 With like like new age hippie like. 2:39:46.520 --> 2:39:50.599 Necklaces, five necklaceslaces, five necklaces. 2:39:50.800 --> 2:39:54.160 He had pants with like like embroidered flowers on those 2:39:54.200 --> 2:39:56.440 and like a nose bridge, like it looked like one 2:39:56.440 --> 2:39:57.959 of those things you put in your nose. That was 2:39:57.959 --> 2:40:01.080 one of the other things U showstoppers. There was a 2:40:01.080 --> 2:40:02.039 company that was doing that. 2:40:02.160 --> 2:40:05.200 So yeah, he had want to be Steve Jobs vibes 2:40:05.200 --> 2:40:09.160 from his half unbuttoned shirt and like many many spiritual 2:40:09.200 --> 2:40:14.680 medallions to his like Jordan Peterson's suit, and very much 2:40:14.840 --> 2:40:18.560 just that. Like I am the charismatic founder and what 2:40:18.680 --> 2:40:20.520 I bring to the table. My partner knows how to 2:40:20.560 --> 2:40:26.960 build robots. I'm charismatic. I'm Jack j Jessanowski, and Jack 2:40:27.000 --> 2:40:30.800 and I started talking and boy howdy, we had us 2:40:30.800 --> 2:40:33.720 a conversation and I think we're just going to play that. 2:40:34.080 --> 2:40:35.560 What do I need to do to set this up? 2:40:35.640 --> 2:40:38.200 No, I think you've set it up. We walk up 2:40:38.200 --> 2:40:41.440 to Jack, I start, I start recording, and we start 2:40:41.480 --> 2:40:44.120 talking about the robot, and then things spin in some 2:40:44.440 --> 2:40:45.800 pretty interesting directions. 2:40:45.879 --> 2:40:52.000 Yeah, all right, So what is this thing useful for? 2:40:53.680 --> 2:40:57.680 Well, generally capable, just like a human can reach to 2:40:57.720 --> 2:41:00.440 the floor and reach up high to a cupboard, go 2:41:00.560 --> 2:41:01.039 up and down. 2:41:01.080 --> 2:41:02.080 That's what we made this for. 2:41:02.200 --> 2:41:05.160 Obviously in a little bit of a different fashion because 2:41:05.280 --> 2:41:07.879 most surfaces are level. 2:41:08.120 --> 2:41:09.480 We don't need to reinvent the wheel. 2:41:10.400 --> 2:41:15.080 And the biggest market that we're going after is households. 2:41:15.200 --> 2:41:18.760 Domestic dishes, laundry, make the bed, clean up around the house, 2:41:19.200 --> 2:41:22.560 eventually cooking that's more fine tuned, you know, dishes and 2:41:22.600 --> 2:41:26.120 laundry is really that first task that is gonna be 2:41:26.120 --> 2:41:31.520 fully autonomous. Obviously from a folding standpoint and cooking standpoint, 2:41:31.560 --> 2:41:35.959 you can do teleoperation today, so can use cheaper labor 2:41:36.000 --> 2:41:41.119 internationally through a robot. But full autonomous is coming very quickly, 2:41:41.200 --> 2:41:42.840 like Jensen talked about recently. 2:41:43.800 --> 2:41:47.000 So I see there's a lot of folks in the 2:41:47.080 --> 2:41:50.600 robot space that are trying robots based on the human form. Right, 2:41:50.840 --> 2:41:53.720 you guys have not gone that route. Talk to me about. 2:41:53.520 --> 2:41:55.199 That droid form. 2:41:55.520 --> 2:42:00.000 Yes, Well, as we know, robots didn't evolve from monkey, 2:42:00.520 --> 2:42:03.720 and so we have an ability to reimagine them. All 2:42:03.760 --> 2:42:06.800 of the existing hardware we use in the world has 2:42:06.840 --> 2:42:10.440 wheels for a reason. It just works better. It's easier, 2:42:10.480 --> 2:42:13.560 there's less friction. That means there's less maintenance. That means 2:42:13.600 --> 2:42:17.920 there's less energy output. It's efficiency. It's also easier for 2:42:18.040 --> 2:42:21.240 us to manufacture that stuff at scale. So I think 2:42:21.280 --> 2:42:29.240 long term, do robots all have legs? Yeah, more or less. 2:42:29.280 --> 2:42:31.520 The home robot does turn into the like robot because 2:42:31.520 --> 2:42:33.400 then it can go with you in the car everything. 2:42:33.760 --> 2:42:37.320 But I think the early stages the wheels, because of 2:42:37.360 --> 2:42:42.080 their cheaperness, because of their reliability. I think that will 2:42:42.120 --> 2:42:45.600 be what wins early stage. That's where we started here. 2:42:45.879 --> 2:42:47.560 You just said, because the robot can go in the 2:42:47.600 --> 2:42:49.800 car with you, what do you see people wanting to 2:42:49.840 --> 2:42:51.360 have a robot in the car with them for? 2:42:51.800 --> 2:42:54.600 I think it will just become basically the same way 2:42:54.640 --> 2:42:57.560 if you have enough money, a lot of people afford 2:42:57.720 --> 2:43:01.120 like an assistant to come with them places. 2:43:01.680 --> 2:43:02.920 It's a lot of people. 2:43:04.560 --> 2:43:08.000 Because that seems like a niche market compared to household 2:43:09.320 --> 2:43:12.680 I think it's the barrier I think is because of 2:43:12.720 --> 2:43:16.400 the the cost and then the humanness, like then you 2:43:16.400 --> 2:43:18.119 have to care for another human. 2:43:18.400 --> 2:43:21.920 And whereas in this case it's kind of all positive 2:43:22.000 --> 2:43:27.600 sum And yeah, I guess it's wrong to try to 2:43:27.640 --> 2:43:30.160 say majority. 2:43:29.840 --> 2:43:35.320 Of people, but anyone who's you know in media. 2:43:35.280 --> 2:43:38.280 You know they videographer will be something you use a 2:43:38.360 --> 2:43:40.840 robot for to follow you around and take media and 2:43:40.879 --> 2:43:43.800 film for you. Every won't get tired and say go 2:43:43.879 --> 2:43:46.600 grab me a drink or you know, go figure that 2:43:46.640 --> 2:43:48.000 thing out. 2:43:48.120 --> 2:43:51.480 But it also can't decide, oh, that's actually not a 2:43:51.480 --> 2:43:53.760 good location to film from. It's not going to look 2:43:53.800 --> 2:43:55.720 as good. We need to get over here, or we 2:43:55.760 --> 2:43:57.840 need another camera on this side here, we need to 2:43:57.879 --> 2:44:00.920 get like different angles because we're want to edit this 2:44:01.000 --> 2:44:03.920 together into a thing. And as a videographer, I'm not 2:44:04.000 --> 2:44:07.640 just a machine. I'm a part of a collaborative creative enterprise. 2:44:08.959 --> 2:44:13.920 I think we're starting to see just how artistic these 2:44:14.520 --> 2:44:15.400 ais can be. 2:44:16.040 --> 2:44:18.080 What's the best example of that, you sing. 2:44:19.640 --> 2:44:21.840 Well, I think the most used thing is this the 2:44:21.920 --> 2:44:25.680 Jenai art And then you have some of the new 2:44:25.720 --> 2:44:30.279 video models are pretty cool and. 2:44:29.120 --> 2:44:32.680 They're using certain sort of zoom in shots. 2:44:32.800 --> 2:44:38.400 Everything I think they'll make just as good of movies 2:44:38.680 --> 2:44:39.359 as humans. 2:44:39.440 --> 2:44:39.600 Oh. 2:44:39.640 --> 2:44:42.199 I think the best reference in order to. 2:44:42.120 --> 2:44:45.960 Actually say that that's possible is music. I don't know 2:44:46.000 --> 2:44:48.400 if you've played with the most recent AI music. There's 2:44:48.400 --> 2:44:49.760 song GBT dot com. 2:44:50.000 --> 2:44:52.760 I've heard some things people call music that are produced 2:44:52.760 --> 2:44:53.000 by that. 2:44:53.160 --> 2:44:55.880 Yeah, we can make one live right now that. 2:44:55.920 --> 2:44:59.560 I don't know if you've heard like the latest models 2:45:00.480 --> 2:45:02.199 up pick me a genre. 2:45:03.320 --> 2:45:09.320 Uh Irish spirituals SCA, you can try Scott too. 2:45:09.480 --> 2:45:14.200 You love sk ska is like definitely probably niche stuff 2:45:14.280 --> 2:45:18.760 is where it's gonna have a harder time, but skka 2:45:19.120 --> 2:45:19.960 s ka. 2:45:20.879 --> 2:45:23.720 I wonder how much SKA data there is out there. 2:45:24.280 --> 2:45:26.039 There's a lot of SKA music out there. 2:45:26.120 --> 2:45:27.320 What should we make it about? Should we make it 2:45:27.360 --> 2:45:28.280 about iHeart radio? 2:45:28.959 --> 2:45:29.240 Sure? 2:45:29.520 --> 2:45:30.280 iHeart radio? 2:45:30.480 --> 2:45:31.480 And communication? 2:45:31.680 --> 2:45:36.080 Robert and clear Channel Communications? 2:45:36.560 --> 2:45:40.240 All right, it's here a SKA song. We're like, oh, 2:45:40.280 --> 2:45:41.960 it has to load for like thirty seconds. 2:45:41.959 --> 2:45:45.400 It feels weirdly like I'm upset that I have to 2:45:45.400 --> 2:45:47.840 wait that long for something to load online. 2:45:48.160 --> 2:45:49.760 Is that really how it feels to you? Huh? 2:45:49.840 --> 2:45:51.640 Yeah, I got what They're playing with it a lot, 2:45:52.080 --> 2:45:54.320 But it's funny to think about how much time and 2:45:54.360 --> 2:45:57.400 effort it does take to like produce a song typically 2:45:58.360 --> 2:45:59.240 I am twenty seven. 2:46:00.879 --> 2:46:03.680 That's interesting, wouldn't a guess that? 2:46:05.600 --> 2:46:05.680 What? 2:46:05.879 --> 2:46:09.400 Uh one thing that's really compelling to me is your partner. 2:46:09.879 --> 2:46:11.959 When I came in here was very very much talking 2:46:11.959 --> 2:46:14.680 about the utility of this in terms of replacing human 2:46:14.720 --> 2:46:19.680 beings and tasks that are generally unpleasant laundry, doing the dishes, 2:46:19.800 --> 2:46:22.920 cleaning up trash. You seem a lot more bullish on 2:46:23.920 --> 2:46:27.320 robots replacing human beings and what are generally considered to 2:46:27.360 --> 2:46:31.360 be enterprises people want to do with their time. Is 2:46:31.400 --> 2:46:33.920 that like a discrepancy that that that you guys have 2:46:34.080 --> 2:46:36.240 kind of talked about, or do you think it's something 2:46:36.480 --> 2:46:38.679 you guys are more on the same page with stuff. 2:46:38.720 --> 2:46:42.360 From a business endpoint, we're one hundred percent going after 2:46:43.320 --> 2:46:49.600 the dishes, laundry, uh nursing practice of just doing vitals, 2:46:49.600 --> 2:46:55.520 which is the very repetitive task that's the push. I 2:46:55.560 --> 2:46:58.879 was starting to just talk into the aspect of the 2:46:59.000 --> 2:47:03.440 legged robots and kind of imagining why a leged version 2:47:03.959 --> 2:47:07.920 would have better utility or be something someone wants to 2:47:07.959 --> 2:47:11.640 purchase scare rather than the wheeled robot and Yeah, stairs 2:47:11.720 --> 2:47:14.160 is definitely a big one of those. 2:47:14.200 --> 2:47:17.560 There are wheel types we're working on right now. 2:47:17.600 --> 2:47:21.040 We have ability to climb like single stairs obviously easiest, 2:47:21.040 --> 2:47:23.360 and that's what most people have in their home if 2:47:23.400 --> 2:47:25.240 they do have stairs. 2:47:25.280 --> 2:47:27.160 Oh, are we gonna listen to some robots? 2:47:27.160 --> 2:47:30.000 Scott my Heart Listeners System or. 2:47:41.640 --> 2:47:59.760 Scott Clear Crazy sco Is this Scot? 2:48:01.280 --> 2:48:05.039 It's a pretty basic melody. I mean there's horns in it, 2:48:05.080 --> 2:48:06.760 but I feel like it's kind of takes in a 2:48:07.560 --> 2:48:09.720 I think it's Ophelia is trying to do pot that 2:48:09.800 --> 2:48:12.840 it's just thrown some horns in on. This is a 2:48:12.840 --> 2:48:32.560 little closer to SCA, although it's still Yeah, it's not 2:48:32.640 --> 2:48:41.760 really singing, but I guess that's a matter of taste. 2:48:42.720 --> 2:48:43.520 What do you listen to? 2:48:43.680 --> 2:48:45.039 This is the worst that's gonna be. 2:48:45.840 --> 2:48:46.720 I hear that a lot. 2:48:47.200 --> 2:48:51.240 It's interesting because GPT four took fifty times as much 2:48:51.280 --> 2:48:54.160 power as GPT three to train, and there's a lot 2:48:54.160 --> 2:48:57.760 of mixed reactions on that. And we're entering into a 2:48:57.800 --> 2:49:02.000 period where we're very likely looking at a recession venture 2:49:02.040 --> 2:49:05.039 capital funding. There's a chance it's not going to be 2:49:05.080 --> 2:49:07.879 what it has been. Is that concern you at all that, 2:49:08.000 --> 2:49:10.840 like this vaunted next level for all of this stuff, 2:49:10.879 --> 2:49:15.000 the energy cost, the investment cost is just not going 2:49:15.080 --> 2:49:18.080 to be borne by a market that uh is not 2:49:18.160 --> 2:49:20.959 going to be as strong tomorrow as it was today, 2:49:21.560 --> 2:49:23.240 at least in the immediate term. 2:49:23.640 --> 2:49:28.600 I think even if we created no more energy as 2:49:28.640 --> 2:49:32.400 a human species today, the amount of advancements we create 2:49:33.320 --> 2:49:38.080 would from an architectural standpoint, continue to advance. 2:49:38.400 --> 2:49:41.119 So you have other models. 2:49:43.280 --> 2:49:46.080 Like I think LAMA three point three, which has matched 2:49:46.160 --> 2:49:51.480 four ohs capabilities and is I forget how many parameters, 2:49:51.480 --> 2:49:54.520 but like super like much much much smaller and was 2:49:54.640 --> 2:49:56.879 much scheaper to train, and like we're continuing to see 2:49:56.920 --> 2:50:02.560 like smaller models that are just as effective and we're 2:50:02.680 --> 2:50:03.840 much cheaper training runs. 2:50:03.840 --> 2:50:06.480 I think Deep Seek was one of the newest ones. 2:50:07.120 --> 2:50:09.200 I'm what I'm concerned about is I'm looking at the 2:50:09.640 --> 2:50:12.280 p and L right, I'm looking at open AI's PNL. 2:50:12.560 --> 2:50:15.000 I'm looking at the fact that they're losing five or 2:50:15.000 --> 2:50:18.760 six billion dollars last year and we're very good chance 2:50:18.760 --> 2:50:20.360 it's going to be somewhere in the neighborhood to double 2:50:20.400 --> 2:50:23.480 that this year. And I'm it's not that there's nothing 2:50:23.520 --> 2:50:25.440 impressive there it's not that I don't see like, oh, 2:50:25.480 --> 2:50:29.000 you can generate a song that's got like guitar and 2:50:29.920 --> 2:50:32.560 trumpets and vocals and stuff and you know a minute 2:50:32.640 --> 2:50:34.840 or so. It's not that that's not impressive, but like 2:50:35.600 --> 2:50:39.400 a pilier trick, isn't a trillion dollar business, And that's 2:50:39.440 --> 2:50:41.360 the kind of investment they're looking at. And I do 2:50:41.480 --> 2:50:44.600 wonder like, is it not much more reasonable to focus 2:50:44.640 --> 2:50:45.760 on folding laundry? 2:50:46.320 --> 2:50:51.480 Well, obviously, I personally am in the the boathouse of 2:50:51.560 --> 2:50:56.760 focusing on allowing this intelligence to flourish and doing these 2:50:56.840 --> 2:51:00.440 laborious tasks and getting them in the households. I do 2:51:00.560 --> 2:51:04.720 think from open eye standpoint, and the reason why vcs 2:51:04.800 --> 2:51:08.680 and private investors will value them so highly is what's 2:51:08.760 --> 2:51:14.599 next is white collar work. A lot of the jobs online. 2:51:15.720 --> 2:51:16.959 That's what they do. 2:51:17.000 --> 2:51:21.280 Have an internal model which is able to control the computer, 2:51:22.000 --> 2:51:23.760 you know, the same way you would ask an executive 2:51:23.760 --> 2:51:26.720 assistant to do certain things online. 2:51:27.360 --> 2:51:30.959 Now it's just Sdobe's handing along all of their emails 2:51:31.040 --> 2:51:34.640 now through AIS, which is you know, we'll see how 2:51:35.000 --> 2:51:36.560 well that works on the long term. There's been some 2:51:36.640 --> 2:51:41.560 interesting polling on like the degree to which customers and 2:51:41.879 --> 2:51:46.360 investors feel trust when somebody's responding to them with an AI. 2:51:46.840 --> 2:51:49.600 But what's interesting, I mean more here is the dichotomy 2:51:49.680 --> 2:51:53.360 between what I see here is a very pragmatic choice, 2:51:53.360 --> 2:51:56.080 which is, we're not going to try and remake a 2:51:56.160 --> 2:51:59.200 human being formed robot and deal with like knees and 2:51:59.280 --> 2:52:01.400 hips and all of that stuff. We don't need that. 2:52:01.440 --> 2:52:04.160 We can have it turn up and down on this 2:52:04.240 --> 2:52:08.600 platform and reach things the same way, melded to what 2:52:08.640 --> 2:52:10.840 I consider to be kind of a little more high 2:52:10.840 --> 2:52:14.160 in the sky. We're doing this as eventually something that 2:52:14.200 --> 2:52:18.560 can take creative roles and think independently and make things, 2:52:19.000 --> 2:52:21.520 which is it's interesting to me to see that in 2:52:21.560 --> 2:52:23.680 a company's DNA of what you guys are eight months 2:52:23.680 --> 2:52:26.879 out right now, yep. Is that what you're more interested in? 2:52:27.440 --> 2:52:30.400 I'd say, I tailor my pitch to the person I'm 2:52:30.400 --> 2:52:32.320 talking to. Uh huh. 2:52:32.840 --> 2:52:36.520 So some people definitely enjoy thinking about more of the 2:52:36.520 --> 2:52:39.800 sci fi futures that are coming, for example, the droids 2:52:39.800 --> 2:52:44.840 building Droid's moment. It's when you know you are decreasing 2:52:44.920 --> 2:52:49.640 your own manufacturing costs by using your own hardware to 2:52:49.640 --> 2:52:51.879 build more of that hardware and. 2:52:51.959 --> 2:52:54.000 Parts are just being shipped into the factory. 2:52:54.480 --> 2:52:58.480 Obviously, I think the first fully automated phone factory just 2:52:58.520 --> 2:53:01.600 came out in chinery, which is like some cool press 2:53:01.600 --> 2:53:05.480 in news, but the phone is separate from the actual 2:53:05.520 --> 2:53:06.800 manufacturing process. 2:53:07.480 --> 2:53:10.920 So there's that interesting component. 2:53:11.480 --> 2:53:16.920 The exciting part of the idea that how do we 2:53:16.959 --> 2:53:21.080 reach true abundance as a species of material and resources 2:53:21.160 --> 2:53:27.760 is well, because GDP is a calculation of capita times productivity, 2:53:28.200 --> 2:53:34.280 a robot really represents capita one unit of creation. And 2:53:35.040 --> 2:53:38.360 I'd say that's where the sci fi thinking comes into play. 2:53:38.400 --> 2:53:44.560 And it's not not worth going there when just dreaming 2:53:44.560 --> 2:53:46.880 about the future robotics and talking about it and having 2:53:46.920 --> 2:53:51.640 an interesting, engaging conversation, But definitely when it comes to 2:53:52.000 --> 2:53:54.480 what are we doing from an engineering standpoint on the 2:53:54.560 --> 2:53:56.280 day to day and how are we trying to approach 2:53:56.320 --> 2:53:59.920 the market, those conversations are not at being had. 2:54:00.200 --> 2:54:03.000 Okay, well, I appreciate your time and he gave me 2:54:03.040 --> 2:54:04.600 a lot. I'm gonna let you get to the other peak. 2:54:04.680 --> 2:54:06.120 Thank you, Thank you so much to meet you. 2:54:06.200 --> 2:54:06.440 Jack. 2:54:07.600 --> 2:54:10.760 Oh wow, that's super interesting. I hope you all liked 2:54:10.920 --> 2:54:12.959 Jack Jay as much as I didn't. 2:54:13.120 --> 2:54:15.760 Getting to twenty seventy years old and not knowing what 2:54:15.879 --> 2:54:18.160 Scott is that old. I thought he was much younger, 2:54:18.560 --> 2:54:20.720 like you thought he was like twenty two. Yes, but 2:54:20.760 --> 2:54:23.360 the fact that he didn't know what SKA was as 2:54:23.400 --> 2:54:25.560 a genre, he wasn't was unaware of it. 2:54:25.600 --> 2:54:27.160 I don't think he listens to music. 2:54:26.920 --> 2:54:29.959 Well, he listens to AI generated hess to AI generated music, 2:54:29.959 --> 2:54:32.440 he's just as good. He has the most, he has 2:54:32.480 --> 2:54:36.200 the most. I listened to AI generated music vines. If 2:54:36.240 --> 2:54:38.280 anyone I've ever seen before just. 2:54:38.360 --> 2:54:41.800 Very clearly does not have a soul, no, like nothing, 2:54:41.959 --> 2:54:45.520 nothing would leave the universe if he did, right, Like. 2:54:45.480 --> 2:54:48.080 It's so opposite from the first guy you talked to, 2:54:48.240 --> 2:54:51.160 who was it so like about? No? I want to 2:54:51.160 --> 2:54:54.840 how smart actual tasks that people don't enjoy. Yeah, I 2:54:54.920 --> 2:54:59.119 love cinematography, I love I love filmmaking. I don't First 2:54:59.160 --> 2:55:02.760 of all, I don't think a robot can can replace this. 2:55:03.080 --> 2:55:03.200 No. 2:55:03.400 --> 2:55:07.240 I watched five different AI generated movies yesterday, and they 2:55:07.280 --> 2:55:08.119 all looked like shit. 2:55:08.000 --> 2:55:10.240 Even like a robot handling a physical camera to make 2:55:10.280 --> 2:55:13.280 like to make like choices on like shot framing and composition, 2:55:13.320 --> 2:55:14.160 and like it's. 2:55:14.040 --> 2:55:15.600 One thing to be like we want we have a 2:55:15.680 --> 2:55:17.760 race cargoing, and so we've got this robot on a 2:55:17.840 --> 2:55:19.600 track so we can go seventy miles an hour and 2:55:19.879 --> 2:55:21.920 we're just kind of running on a street. Follow it 2:55:21.920 --> 2:55:24.240 because a human being can move that. That's sure. One 2:55:24.280 --> 2:55:26.120 thing we've left out of this up so far. So 2:55:26.160 --> 2:55:29.160 this this machine that I described earlier, this robot that 2:55:29.200 --> 2:55:31.840 goes up and down this rolling base has a floppy 2:55:31.920 --> 2:55:35.280 Donald Trump mask over the over its head, which first 2:55:35.280 --> 2:55:37.960 attracted us to this. Yeah, that's why we showed up 2:55:37.959 --> 2:55:38.400 there in the. 2:55:38.879 --> 2:55:42.720 A robot moving its arms around wearing a Donald Trump mask. 2:55:42.760 --> 2:55:46.080 And as Robert was interviewing this guy, the robot was 2:55:46.080 --> 2:55:48.560 like moving around and like trying to stimulate its washing 2:55:48.640 --> 2:55:52.320 dishes capability, and it knocked over the same water bottle 2:55:52.360 --> 2:55:55.800 about five times. It couldn't it couldn't pick it up consistently, 2:55:56.160 --> 2:55:58.600 So I will not trust it with my fine china. 2:55:58.680 --> 2:55:59.240 I'll say that. 2:55:59.280 --> 2:56:00.760 As soon as I got up there, I asked like, 2:56:00.800 --> 2:56:02.600 I couldn't take my jacket off, now can it fold? 2:56:02.640 --> 2:56:04.800 And he's like, well, we'd have to reprogram it. And 2:56:04.879 --> 2:56:06.840 it was this when I talked to the guy, I 2:56:07.040 --> 2:56:08.960 was like because he was like, yeah, we really see 2:56:09.000 --> 2:56:13.000 this as being you know, potentially good for elder care. Sure, 2:56:13.040 --> 2:56:14.920 and you know, we had just seen the product we 2:56:14.920 --> 2:56:17.320 talked about in the last episode, which, for all of 2:56:17.360 --> 2:56:19.440 it's I don't know that I think it'll work, was 2:56:19.879 --> 2:56:22.240 a lot of thought and care went into it. I 2:56:22.280 --> 2:56:23.959 was like, okay, so, like, what work have you done 2:56:24.040 --> 2:56:26.680 to build a machine that can like communicate and be 2:56:26.760 --> 2:56:29.560 helpful to like people who are dealing with health issues 2:56:29.600 --> 2:56:31.920 in their their later years. They're like, well, that's why 2:56:32.040 --> 2:56:34.880 it's open, right, someone else will yeahs open sources. Someone 2:56:34.920 --> 2:56:36.600 else can do a bit part. See, you guys are 2:56:36.600 --> 2:56:38.600 just you guys are just saying it can do everything 2:56:38.640 --> 2:56:41.760 because somebody could potentially code something for it. 2:56:41.879 --> 2:56:44.000 Yeah cool, there always could be code. 2:56:44.080 --> 2:56:47.400 Yeah, there could be code. I mean again, the other guy, 2:56:48.200 --> 2:56:52.560 the actual engineer, seemed very interested in the nuts and 2:56:52.600 --> 2:56:58.000 bolts of making an affordable, reproducible machine that could handle 2:56:58.000 --> 2:57:02.520 specific tasks, and Jack Jay had absolutely no interest in 2:57:02.560 --> 2:57:04.840 the actual machine that they were making. This is clearly, 2:57:04.879 --> 2:57:07.080 could not be clear. This is just a stepping stone, 2:57:07.280 --> 2:57:09.480 and he's kind of grossed out by it because it's 2:57:09.520 --> 2:57:12.279 not replacing all human art with a machine that he owns. 2:57:12.160 --> 2:57:15.800 He's a man completely fueled by Lex Friedman podcasts, and 2:57:15.879 --> 2:57:18.440 he doesn't want to actually do any real work. He 2:57:18.520 --> 2:57:21.600 just wants to talk about how AI is going to 2:57:21.720 --> 2:57:24.879 take over everything and we have to welcome it in 2:57:25.280 --> 2:57:26.960 and here listen to this is SKA. 2:57:27.320 --> 2:57:30.480 He wants to take money by owning something that does 2:57:30.520 --> 2:57:34.080 not provide anything and also put people out of work. Like, 2:57:34.720 --> 2:57:37.720 at no point did he express a desire to do 2:57:37.879 --> 2:57:42.080 anything other than replace something people were already doing with 2:57:42.160 --> 2:57:47.280 something worse that tech guys could profit from. That's all 2:57:47.360 --> 2:57:49.720 there is to this man. He's not a human. 2:57:49.959 --> 2:57:51.040 It's so anti human. 2:57:51.280 --> 2:57:54.920 Yeah, I cannot overemphasize the degree to which there was 2:57:55.000 --> 2:57:56.680 nothing behind this boy's eyes. 2:57:57.760 --> 2:58:02.000 Well, do you know what, there's also nothing super intelligent behind. 2:58:02.240 --> 2:58:04.320 That's not true. All of our ads are sponsored by 2:58:04.400 --> 2:58:08.040 real people, even if they're bad people, they're at least people. 2:58:08.480 --> 2:58:11.920 They live and they love and they hate and you know, 2:58:12.040 --> 2:58:25.119 maybe they have a promo code. Let's let's see, all. 2:58:25.120 --> 2:58:29.560 Right, So after our our lovely, our lovely Robotic Jack 2:58:29.760 --> 2:58:34.280 j Jessanowski SKA Adventure. Oh god. 2:58:34.680 --> 2:58:38.200 Also the SKA was shit, not good, not good? It 2:58:38.240 --> 2:58:40.800 did it just kept saying the words Scott. 2:58:40.920 --> 2:58:44.280 He kept saying the word Ska music and saying the 2:58:44.280 --> 2:58:49.400 word Robert Robert Scott, well, just doing random noises. After 2:58:49.440 --> 2:58:51.080 we had our fill of that, we did walk around 2:58:51.160 --> 2:58:55.320 the rest of Showstoppers. He was so surprised that I wasn't. 2:58:55.440 --> 2:58:57.760 I wasn't impressed by any of the He was like, 2:58:57.760 --> 2:59:00.680 you must have heard the lady, man, I hear them. 2:59:00.720 --> 2:59:04.320 It's not good. It's like it's like I made this 2:59:04.360 --> 2:59:08.160 comparison a few times. If somebody like walked in while 2:59:08.160 --> 2:59:10.680 I'm at a house party was like, hey, man, I 2:59:10.800 --> 2:59:14.360 taught my dog to masturbate to pornography with its with 2:59:14.400 --> 2:59:17.800 its pause. I would be like, well, I mean that's like, 2:59:18.200 --> 2:59:21.080 I guess impressed. I didn't think a dog could do that. 2:59:21.640 --> 2:59:26.000 Like I am kind of impressed, I guess, But I 2:59:26.040 --> 2:59:30.240 don't want this like this. This doesn't do anything for me. 2:59:30.520 --> 2:59:33.280 It's why you figured this out? 2:59:33.400 --> 2:59:35.200 What what value does this? 2:59:35.600 --> 2:59:37.959 How does the dog know who Farah Fauce it is? 2:59:38.000 --> 2:59:41.600 I have questions, sure, but it doesn't give me anything 2:59:42.120 --> 2:59:47.160 like no Fara Fauce it was Garrison. No, God damn it. 2:59:47.320 --> 2:59:48.200 What do you think I do? 2:59:48.320 --> 2:59:48.440 What? 2:59:48.800 --> 2:59:53.959 I I don't know anymore? Well, what I did is 2:59:54.000 --> 2:59:57.080 walk around the rest of showstoppers. I saw this one 2:59:57.120 --> 2:59:59.800 booth that had like a like an iPhone case with 2:59:59.840 --> 3:00:02.000 like a little like keyboard on the bottom that like 3:00:02.040 --> 3:00:05.039 plugs in, and I started messing around with it, and 3:00:05.120 --> 3:00:06.840 the guy that booth walked up to me and made 3:00:06.879 --> 3:00:09.959 fun of me because he's like, you've never you've never 3:00:10.040 --> 3:00:13.320 held a phone with the BlackBerry. He literally said, like, 3:00:13.640 --> 3:00:15.360 you've never had a BlackBerry before? 3:00:15.440 --> 3:00:15.720 Have you? 3:00:15.920 --> 3:00:18.840 Like no, Like, yeah, you're typing all wrong on there. 3:00:19.200 --> 3:00:23.680 There was a solid nine day news cycle when Barack Obama, 3:00:23.760 --> 3:00:26.520 newly the president, revealed that he had a BlackBerry. 3:00:26.640 --> 3:00:30.600 I remember that, which sounds like a lifetime. 3:00:30.760 --> 3:00:33.560 There was a company called r I M once and 3:00:33.600 --> 3:00:36.640 they made a tablet that was pretty good, and we 3:00:36.720 --> 3:00:39.160 only made a couple of rim job jokes about it, 3:00:39.560 --> 3:00:41.720 but it didn't do very well, and so I gave 3:00:41.760 --> 3:00:44.080 it to my dad and accidentally there was still a 3:00:44.120 --> 3:00:46.720 picture of my dick on it. Anyway, that's a story 3:00:46.760 --> 3:00:49.400 for another day. 3:00:49.440 --> 3:00:49.760 Cool. 3:00:51.840 --> 3:00:53.640 These are the kind of things you get recording at 3:00:53.640 --> 3:00:56.039 eleven fifty six pm and we. 3:00:56.480 --> 3:00:59.880 Caught Tuesday night. Gott to get to bed, but no, 3:01:00.160 --> 3:01:01.480 keep making fun of me. For not knowing how to 3:01:01.560 --> 3:01:03.359 use a smartphone keyboard. 3:01:03.520 --> 3:01:04.280 He did the right thing. 3:01:04.280 --> 3:01:05.720 I don't need to use that because I have a 3:01:05.800 --> 3:01:08.440 keyboard on my phone built in already. It's much faster. 3:01:08.680 --> 3:01:12.120 So anyway, we stopped it at this company that makes 3:01:12.400 --> 3:01:16.279 well now just makes the software to use in conjunction 3:01:16.360 --> 3:01:20.119 with the augmented reality glasses and any like high powered laptop. 3:01:20.240 --> 3:01:22.600 Specifically the laptops that have like built in like you know, 3:01:22.680 --> 3:01:25.840 like co pilots because they require like higher processing power, 3:01:26.000 --> 3:01:28.840 they have an NPU or something like that, like a 3:01:28.959 --> 3:01:31.920 like an ampuro processing unit is what they're calling like 3:01:32.000 --> 3:01:36.600 the AI dedicated GPU thing. Effectively, it allows you to 3:01:36.600 --> 3:01:40.640 hook up these glasses and run you know, possibly infinite 3:01:40.920 --> 3:01:43.959 amount of monitors using AR. And we talked about this 3:01:44.000 --> 3:01:47.080 company last year because we saw them at show stoppers. 3:01:47.080 --> 3:01:48.760 You put on the glasses and it's like you've got 3:01:48.879 --> 3:01:51.560 six monitors or whatever that are all full size. 3:01:51.360 --> 3:01:55.080 And it's actually really easy to use. It works very well, seamlessly, 3:01:55.120 --> 3:01:58.120 it's nice, it's it's good quality, easy to use, you 3:01:58.160 --> 3:01:59.240 can move the monitors around. 3:01:59.320 --> 3:02:00.800 It's an excellent an excellent game. 3:02:00.879 --> 3:02:02.560 We talked to them last year, and the main thing 3:02:02.600 --> 3:02:05.000 that was holding this, like holding us back on it 3:02:05.040 --> 3:02:07.199 is that you needed to use their own proprietary lap. 3:02:07.200 --> 3:02:09.160 It was their own laptop, and it wasn't a great one. 3:02:09.240 --> 3:02:11.400 It was just like a Linux laptop didn't. It didn't 3:02:11.440 --> 3:02:13.400 have everything I like I want out of my own 3:02:13.440 --> 3:02:14.160 personal laptop. 3:02:14.320 --> 3:02:15.760 And we were still impressed with it. 3:02:15.800 --> 3:02:17.600 Then it was still it was still good. Yeah, and 3:02:17.640 --> 3:02:19.600 now you can just use any high power laptop with 3:02:19.640 --> 3:02:23.080 it essentially. So it's lovely to see that improved. We 3:02:23.120 --> 3:02:28.160 saw this lovely like like very small foldable projector. Oh yeah, 3:02:28.200 --> 3:02:28.840 that was cool. 3:02:28.879 --> 3:02:30.800 What's the company? That company name, because we should be 3:02:30.840 --> 3:02:32.840 we should be giving out the names of these Yes. 3:02:32.760 --> 3:02:35.760 The ar glasses and the software system is called spacetop 3:02:36.080 --> 3:02:40.320 very good by a company called Sightful. It works works great. 3:02:40.480 --> 3:02:43.960 But yeah, this this little folding folding projector currently has 3:02:43.959 --> 3:02:47.840 a Kickstarter. The company is called Aura Zen yeah or 3:02:47.920 --> 3:02:53.160 a Zen specifically, it was the zip trifled projector right now. 3:02:53.160 --> 3:02:55.960 It's it's a seven to twenty p very small foldable projector. 3:02:56.360 --> 3:02:58.000 It has a whole it has like like an auto 3:02:58.040 --> 3:03:00.840 focusing auto keystone. There were could get it up to 3:03:00.840 --> 3:03:04.080 ten VP, but they're running a kickstarter right now to 3:03:04.200 --> 3:03:07.800 ship in about three months. Super good quality stuff. 3:03:07.840 --> 3:03:09.840 If you're a gadget Ritina, Like it felt like a 3:03:10.080 --> 3:03:13.200 quality piece of electronics in my hands, Like the way 3:03:13.240 --> 3:03:17.200 it like snapped when it closed, just felt good. I'm 3:03:17.280 --> 3:03:20.240 I think I'm gonna buy one like it's it's exactly 3:03:20.280 --> 3:03:22.360 what I want for traveling, which is the ability to 3:03:22.440 --> 3:03:24.360 it goes up to like eighty inches of screen and 3:03:24.400 --> 3:03:27.000 like very good resolution, the ability to just have that 3:03:27.600 --> 3:03:30.400 plugged in to a battery or the wall and my 3:03:30.480 --> 3:03:33.680 laptop and like wherever I happen to be, I've got 3:03:33.720 --> 3:03:35.600 a movie screen that I don't have to worry about 3:03:35.600 --> 3:03:37.560 the fucking hooking up a TV to my laptop or 3:03:37.600 --> 3:03:37.920 some shit. 3:03:38.080 --> 3:03:40.400 It doesn't need Wi Fi to work. It just can 3:03:40.480 --> 3:03:42.400 cast from your phone. 3:03:42.320 --> 3:03:46.280 A U r Z and ZIP trifle projector or zen 3:03:46.400 --> 3:03:48.240 yep yep. I think they're selling them for two fifty 3:03:48.320 --> 3:03:51.360 right now. That's for the for the Kickstarter, for the Kickstarter. 3:03:51.400 --> 3:03:53.400 It will go up a little when it's a product. 3:03:53.400 --> 3:03:56.160 But we saw it. It works. They had a lot 3:03:56.200 --> 3:03:59.400 of they had tracking and stuff so it like automatically 3:03:59.440 --> 3:04:00.320 would focus. 3:04:00.440 --> 3:04:04.000 Auto focuses and at like it scales correctly, forwards, projecting 3:04:04.640 --> 3:04:07.320 it automatically like adjusts like the tilt of it so 3:04:07.440 --> 3:04:08.000 that it you. 3:04:07.920 --> 3:04:10.200 Know, yeah, obviously this isn't the full review because we 3:04:10.200 --> 3:04:12.520 don't own one, but everything we could tell by looking 3:04:12.520 --> 3:04:13.400 at it in the moment. 3:04:13.360 --> 3:04:15.120 We tried it out, I hooked up my phone to it. 3:04:15.160 --> 3:04:17.280 As I went to my phone screen, I realized I 3:04:17.360 --> 3:04:22.600 have a slightly I would say, artful flute image of 3:04:22.640 --> 3:04:26.080 an angel. So I quickly swiped away from we shouldn't 3:04:26.080 --> 3:04:28.720 show your dick to your damn my home screen of 3:04:28.879 --> 3:04:31.440 my phone. You know, things can always be worse. 3:04:31.480 --> 3:04:35.039 Things could always be worse. But I think where will 3:04:35.160 --> 3:04:37.800 end is? And this actually is not entirely in order, 3:04:37.840 --> 3:04:40.480 because this is the next after we had that conversation 3:04:40.560 --> 3:04:45.039 with our friend Jack Jay, which just left me thinking about, like, 3:04:45.600 --> 3:04:48.120 some people aren't really people, right, That's what I The 3:04:48.120 --> 3:04:48.720 sole thing. 3:04:48.640 --> 3:04:51.400 Is is a sham. It's all. It's all for rooms. 3:04:51.560 --> 3:04:52.439 It's soulless. 3:04:52.760 --> 3:04:54.800 We immediately walk over and we just kind of like 3:04:54.879 --> 3:04:58.360 randomly turn a corner and there's like a human shin 3:04:58.959 --> 3:05:03.760 like tibia amphibia basically with like a carbon fiber you know, 3:05:04.120 --> 3:05:06.680 frame around it. That's roughly the shape of like a 3:05:06.879 --> 3:05:12.160 person's lower leg, lower leg, and it's called bio leg. 3:05:12.240 --> 3:05:16.520 It's a powered microprocessor knee made in Japan, where it 3:05:16.600 --> 3:05:20.200 is a prosthetic, but unlike most prosthetics, it is powered 3:05:20.280 --> 3:05:22.640 and has a muscle built into it, so like when 3:05:22.680 --> 3:05:25.120 you lift up your prosthetic, it doesn't hang it, it doesn't lock. 3:05:25.480 --> 3:05:27.920 It actually has a degree of motion and it feels 3:05:28.000 --> 3:05:30.080 like what lifts the rest of the leg what you're 3:05:30.160 --> 3:05:34.160 remaining muscles like. It measures based on like it can 3:05:34.200 --> 3:05:37.360 like take measurements from them and it can act intelligently 3:05:38.040 --> 3:05:41.200 based on that. And I know that it works because 3:05:41.200 --> 3:05:43.600 the inventor was there and he was a man who 3:05:43.640 --> 3:05:46.440 was missing his leg below the knee and had built 3:05:46.440 --> 3:05:47.600 this for himself. 3:05:48.240 --> 3:05:49.680 He's spent like ten years working on this. 3:05:49.840 --> 3:05:53.000 Yeah, eight years, he's said, eight years. And that's like 3:05:53.120 --> 3:05:56.400 really the thing that is like so both like addictive 3:05:56.520 --> 3:05:59.160 and also like this like very tonal whiples you get 3:05:59.160 --> 3:06:01.320 at ces as you will go from like this dead 3:06:01.400 --> 3:06:04.160 eyed con man trying to scam the world so he 3:06:04.200 --> 3:06:06.360 can do god knows what kinds of other harms with 3:06:06.480 --> 3:06:10.400 absolutely nothing, nothing inside him at all, And then I 3:06:10.520 --> 3:06:13.360 lost my leg and I built a better prosthetic to 3:06:13.440 --> 3:06:17.360 help the entire world. And that's like thirty seconds between 3:06:17.400 --> 3:06:19.360 those two experiences. 3:06:18.760 --> 3:06:21.560 And like that's like that's like the dark magic of Cees. 3:06:21.760 --> 3:06:25.000 And like I don't, like I'm not like anti tech, 3:06:25.160 --> 3:06:28.160 like I think there. I think technology can really improve 3:06:28.200 --> 3:06:31.280 people's lives if used well. And sometimes I get kind 3:06:31.280 --> 3:06:34.440 of black pilled walking around Cees. But then we'll stumble 3:06:34.480 --> 3:06:37.800 across this, like you know someone who like literally lost 3:06:37.800 --> 3:06:41.240 a leg and made themselves their own better leg. 3:06:41.360 --> 3:06:43.520 Eight years figuring out how to do this. 3:06:43.680 --> 3:06:46.440 Yeah, is winning award. It's like for it award winning 3:06:46.560 --> 3:06:47.720 like tech innovations. 3:06:47.760 --> 3:06:50.200 It's changing your as a person who has lost your 3:06:50.200 --> 3:06:52.560 lower like changing being able to like have a normal 3:06:52.640 --> 3:06:57.320 gait and balance again, like massive potential to improve people's 3:06:57.400 --> 3:06:58.640 lives as a result of this. 3:06:59.520 --> 3:07:03.760 Yeah, just steps away from Ai ska at Ai and 3:07:04.080 --> 3:07:09.560 Donald trump Man the laund the profile. The company is 3:07:09.600 --> 3:07:14.000 again Bionic IM and it's the bioleg biolags the product. Yeah, 3:07:14.000 --> 3:07:16.039 the biolague is the product by Bionic Im. 3:07:16.200 --> 3:07:17.760 I'm going to try to check it out more. 3:07:17.640 --> 3:07:20.200 Tomorrow at Eureka Park, which at this point, you know 3:07:20.320 --> 3:07:24.080 that'll be like maybe future episodes come next week. But 3:07:24.280 --> 3:07:28.720 I guess this closes our actual Like Coridge, Let's go 3:07:28.840 --> 3:07:32.440 get fucked up and eat Japanese food. Oh I'm down. Yeah, 3:07:32.480 --> 3:07:32.920 I'm down. 3:07:33.040 --> 3:07:33.640 Let's do it. 3:07:35.720 --> 3:07:35.959 Hey. 3:07:36.040 --> 3:07:39.119 We'll be back Monday, with more episodes every week from 3:07:39.160 --> 3:07:40.840 now until the heat death of the universe. 3:07:41.520 --> 3:07:44.000 It Could Happen Here is a production of cool Zone Media. 3:07:44.200 --> 3:07:47.200 For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 3:07:47.320 --> 3:07:49.879 cool Zonemedia dot com, or check us out on the 3:07:49.920 --> 3:07:53.960 iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. 3:07:54.280 --> 3:07:56.240 You can now find sources for It Could Happen Here, 3:07:56.240 --> 3:07:59.240 listed directly in episode descriptions. Thanks for listening.