1 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The Street Faden Man addition, as 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: we get to know the Bengals new offensive line coach 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: and former jiu Jitsu world champion Scott Peters, then I'll 5 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: discuss that higher and the bengals other off season priorities 6 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: with Bengals dot Com editor Jeff Butch Hobson. 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Although there's no 25 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: broadcasting booth, if you're interested, just search for Foco Pay 26 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: Corpse Stadium. You'll find them online for as little as 27 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: forty four bucks. Now let's get to my first guest. 28 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: The Bengals announced on Monday that they've hired Scott Peters 29 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: as their new offensive line coach. He had that job 30 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: in New England last season after being Cleveland's assis distant 31 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: line coach for the previous four years under Bill Callahad. 32 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: Scott has a unique background. In addition to playing and 33 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: coaching in the NFL, he's won martial arts World Championships, 34 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: trained MMA fighters, and started a company called Tip of 35 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: the Spear with the mission of reducing concussions and head 36 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: and neck injuries in football. I sat down with Coach 37 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: Peters on Monday. It's got a few days before Christmas. 38 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: The greatest offensive line coach in Bengals history. Jim McNally, 39 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: a line coach on the first two Super Bowl teams, 40 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: tweeted out a picture of the two of you with 41 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: the caption best buds. Ever, how did that friendship begin? 42 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 2: I wow, Yeah, So coach McNally got a chance to 43 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 2: play for Jim when I was playing for the you know, 44 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 2: as a player with the Giants and best coach I've 45 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 2: ever had one season with Jim and really learned a 46 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: ton of a ton of football and unfortunately didn't get 47 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 2: a chance to play two seasons with him as the 48 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: staff moved on, but finished my career and got involved 49 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 2: with mixed martial arts, which is another side story. But 50 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: Jim and I reconnected at the Cool Clinic here in Cincinnati. So, 51 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 2: and that was in twenty ten and just we probably 52 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 2: talked every day since. So coach McNally's the best great 53 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 2: mentor a great, great person, awesome coach. So you know 54 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 2: that's that's as a valuable friendship his family. 55 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: He's the only offensive line coach that Anthony Munio has 56 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: had in the NFL. My broadcast partner Dave Lapham speaks 57 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: clothingly of his coaching. Do you still hear that voice 58 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: in your head as you coach offensive linement. 59 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 2: I hear it in my head and I also hear 60 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 2: it in my text messages and my calls. No, yeah, 61 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 2: so I talked to Jim quite often still and yeah, definitely, 62 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: so great great influence and obviously great coach and still 63 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 2: highly respected by everybody today. 64 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: Let's talk about another offensive line coach. You worked with 65 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: Bill Callahan in Cleveland for four years. Brian's dad, Zach's 66 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: college coach when he was a player at Nebraska, universally 67 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: considered to be one of the greatest offensive line coaches 68 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: of all time. How did you grow as a coach 69 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: from working with Bill Callahan for those four years. 70 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 2: Grew tremendously. And actually I credit coach McNally for making 71 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 2: that connection because he and Bill. You know, uh, I know, 72 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 2: Jim was a mentor to Bill. I got connected with 73 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: Bill through Jim and I did some work with with 74 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 2: Bill as a consultant. So when you know he was 75 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 2: working for the Cowboys and then he went to the 76 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 2: to to Washington, he would bring me around and so 77 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 2: built that relationship. And then when he had that chance 78 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 2: to go to Cleveland, he brought me in and I 79 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: took advantage of that, and I walked in there and 80 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 2: it was a lesson. It was a four year apprenticeship 81 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 2: from the yest. I mean, you put him and Gym 82 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 2: together in a room. I mean, those are the best, 83 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 2: in my mind, the best old line coaches ever ever 84 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 2: to coach the game. So everything from from from soup 85 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 2: to nuts with with Coach Callahan, extremely detailed and and 86 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 2: and the clarity is great. I mean, and just the 87 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 2: process that that he taught me, the way to look 88 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 2: at problems, the way to you know, kind of just 89 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 2: to do with all as a coach was something I 90 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 2: benefited from tremendously with Coach Callahan. 91 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: We're visiting with the Bengals new offensive line coach Scott Peters. 92 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: You had a seven year NFL career, ending with an 93 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: Arizona team that went to the Super Bowl in two 94 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: thousand and eight. How does that help you as an 95 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: assistant coach? 96 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 2: Well, I can relate to the players. I know what 97 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 2: they've been through and I know what they're going through 98 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:27,239 Speaker 2: and you know, having played it, it was always something 99 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: that that frustrated me. Like I said, McNally was the 100 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 2: best coach I played for. And I say best I 101 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 2: played for some great coaches too, not to minimize that, 102 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 2: but he was so clear about what he wanted us 103 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 2: to do. He gave us the tools, you know, the techniques, 104 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 2: the tools, and the way to to kind of go 105 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 2: about your job with real crystal clarity. And that's where 106 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 2: where I think I kind of model after. I want 107 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 2: to make sure the guys are completely clear on what 108 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 2: to do, give them the best instruments and tools that 109 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 2: they can use to be successful. So that's that's probably 110 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 2: the most important aspect. I don't understand where they're coming from. 111 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 2: They don't want to hear vague commentary. They don't want 112 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 2: to hear I need to block that guy. They want 113 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 2: to know how to do it and do it with precisions. 114 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 2: So that's something that I take a lot of pride in. 115 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: You made a reference to this. When your career ended, 116 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: you got heavily involved in martial arts. You are a 117 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: world champion and Brazilian jiu jitsu. What was the appeal 118 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: of that for you? 119 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,239 Speaker 2: So when I was playing, I always kind of watched 120 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 2: the UFC and I'm like, Wow, those guys are crazy, 121 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 2: you know, And I watched it. I was entertained by it, 122 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 2: and I saw hoys crazy. He was a jiu jitsu 123 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 2: guy and he going there. And it was kind of 124 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 2: before the UFC really took off. It was when martial 125 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 2: arts were kind of isolated. They called it mixed martial arts. 126 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 2: But you had the the karate guy fight the jiu 127 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,799 Speaker 2: jitsu guy. Well, now it's like everybody has all the skills, 128 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: but the jiu jitsu element was something that was intriguing. 129 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 2: How does a small guy beat a big guy using 130 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 2: these moves? And I had an injury one time, you know, 131 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 2: as a player, where I was kind of on crutches 132 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:57,559 Speaker 2: for a period and I couldn't do anything on my feet. 133 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 2: So I thought, well, maybe I'll join a jiu jitsu 134 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 2: I was playing for the Panthers at the time, and 135 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 2: I go in. I'm about three hundred pounds and I'm strong. 136 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 2: I mean I could bench about five hundred pounds. I 137 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 2: walk into this gym and I get armbard, which is 138 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 2: a submission an armlock by a guy who's twice my age, 139 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 2: half my size. He's a banker. And I'm like, I 140 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 2: don't know how you did that. I couldn't do anything 141 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 2: about it to stop it. I thought it was interested, 142 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 2: like really intriguing and if you can kind of check 143 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 2: your ego and come back the next day, which I did. 144 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 2: I found it to be really kind of a fun trade. 145 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 2: It was fun, fun to train in and something that 146 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 2: kind of helped me add some time to my career 147 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 2: due to injury. And then it benefited me a ton 148 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 2: just from the standpoint of learning leverage, you know, hand 149 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: fighting skills, how to attack someone to you know, operate 150 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 2: from perfect anatomical integrity and attack the integrity of the 151 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: player across from you, so things like that, or the 152 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 2: opponent by breaking them down anatomically. So there's some benefits 153 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: for that. I learned that, you know, and I opened 154 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 2: up an MMA gym, which was a different a different 155 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 2: life after I finished playing and really wanted to immerse 156 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 2: myself in the martial arts because I was not an 157 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 2: expert by any stretch. I was a football player who 158 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 2: had an MMA gym. So what I did was I 159 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 2: brought in experts that I could the best guys I 160 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: could find from around, you know, the world, some guys 161 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 2: from Brazil who I trained with in the gym. As 162 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 2: I learned and I ran the business, and you know, 163 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 2: I thought, you know, the best way for me to 164 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 2: kind of do this is to go compete. So I 165 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 2: started doing tournaments and I beat some pretty top level 166 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: guys and one of the guys was Tommy Rowlands. I 167 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 2: beat him. He was an Ohio state wrestler, so the 168 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 2: winning I think they said, he's the winningest Ohio state 169 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 2: wrestler in history. He was a heavyweight, and I faced 170 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 2: him in a tournament in Las Vegas and I submitted him. 171 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 2: And so after that it was like brock Lesnar's training 172 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 2: camp called and all these different he was fighting. He 173 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 2: was a UFC champ at the time. So started training 174 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 2: with some of the top you know UFC fighters and 175 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 2: kind of got myself to like to a point where okay, 176 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 2: I'm qualified in the business and all that. But really 177 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 2: what happened from there was really had the itch to 178 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 2: get back involved with football, and so I had guys 179 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 2: coming in the gym, you know, with this new knowledge, 180 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 2: I guess it's more of a new approach to way 181 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 2: to look at things. I started putting some some things 182 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 2: together from a biomechanics standpoint, how do we attack someone 183 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 2: in football with football objectives, using maybe concepts that were 184 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 2: applicable in the different martial arts, which is just optimal 185 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 2: integrity of the body, things like that. So the mechanics 186 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 2: of the way guys you know, move and and so 187 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 2: so trying to apply those concepts to football was was 188 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 2: really kind of the method. And then that's where Jim 189 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,719 Speaker 2: and I got back in touch, and you know, I 190 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 2: started doing clinics for them and Bob Wiley and some 191 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 2: other guys. 192 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: So I'm no expert, but it certainly sounds applicable to 193 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: offensive line play. Have the players embraced those martial arts principles? 194 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 2: They do, But I don't talk about martial arts as 195 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 2: much because you know, it's it's it's kind of a 196 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 2: you know, there's guys that talk about martial arts, and 197 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 2: then how do you make that transition? I think I have, 198 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 2: you know, an expertise in both fields, but you know, 199 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 2: I don't. We don't really discuss martial arts. Some of 200 00:09:57,960 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 2: the guys like talking about it because what they watched 201 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 2: the fights, but really it's more so just these are 202 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 2: just kind of things and principles and the way the 203 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 2: body of man mechanics work, and some of the training 204 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 2: methodologies that are applicable. And I'll make those comparisons, but 205 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 2: they do appreciate it. What is the strike system? So 206 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 2: the strike system is something that that I developed, you 207 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 2: know through uh, you know, kind of inspired by martial arts. 208 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 2: You know, when you're working in your focused myths or 209 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 2: mid training with a boxing coach, you know, he'll talk 210 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 2: about throwing a jab. Okay, well jab is a one 211 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,599 Speaker 2: across as a two. So do two different strikes. You 212 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 2: have an uppercut, you have a hook, you have some 213 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 2: different things you'll do there, and and the coach will 214 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 2: call out the strikes with the numbering system we have, 215 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 2: you know, nine strikes or you know that we'll use 216 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 2: and these are just different types of strikes. You're using 217 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 2: different types of forms of contact you'll use. And really, 218 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 2: once you teach those strikes, it's you'll be able to 219 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 2: then kind of use an abbreviation of sorts. So when 220 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 2: I wanted one strike or two strike or three you know, 221 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: whatever the number may be, and then the sequence of strike. 222 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 2: So it gives guys real, you know, definition as to 223 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 2: what we're looking to do based on each objective in 224 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 2: the game. So whether that's a pass or run where 225 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 2: they're based on alignment, based on opponent type things like that, 226 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 2: they'll have the tools kind of built within. So that's 227 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 2: just kind of the way we communicate in our room. 228 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: We're visiting the Scott Peters. What's the first thing on 229 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: your plate in Cincinnati? 230 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 2: First thing on my plate just getting settled in and 231 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 2: getting to work. You know, we're still kind of going through. 232 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 2: It just took a tour, so so just excited to 233 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 2: get in here and then get started. 234 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: You know, coaches here play a significant role in evaluating 235 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: prospects for the draft. Have you done that in your 236 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: previous stops in Cleveland and New England? 237 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 2: Yes, I have so. So in Cleveland, Bill, Bill Callahan 238 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 2: and I we would break down all the players, you know, 239 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 2: the free agents, the veteran players, and then we look at 240 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 2: the draft and Bill, you know, taught me his process 241 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 2: and it was a great process. And that's something I 242 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 2: took with me to New England as well, and but 243 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 2: always had input. But I know here it's it's it's 244 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 2: especially important that the bent so the coaches are a 245 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 2: big consideration, So I'm excited about that. 246 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,599 Speaker 1: Did you evaluate a Marius Mimes last year and if so, 247 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 1: what did you think. 248 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 2: I certainly did. I was very impressed, and I mean 249 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 2: obviously the physical talent. But I got a chance to 250 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 2: meet with meet with a Marius last year in Georgia. 251 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 2: Uh and I just thought with a great kid. So 252 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 2: you know, I'm real fired up again about the chance 253 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 2: to work with them. 254 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: What traits do you look for? 255 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 2: It starts with character and intelligence. I think once you 256 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 2: get past that, I mean, that's like a checkpoint. You 257 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 2: want to make sure you know to play the position 258 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 2: of offensive line. You want guys that have great character, 259 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 2: the good they love football, and then they you know, 260 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 2: they have the intelligence to be able to come in 261 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 2: and apply the teachings from the classroom to the grass. 262 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 2: After that, we look for for for measurables. We look 263 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 2: for things that they can do. And arm length is 264 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 2: one of the biggest traits that we look for in 265 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 2: our tackles here in Cincinnati have long arms and that's 266 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 2: it's great because you want to use use the length 267 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 2: to your advantage, keep the guys on the edge, creet 268 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 2: the width of the pocket kind of like a boxer. 269 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 2: A guy with a long jap can can reach out 270 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 2: and touch you like at a distance. It's it's very helpful, 271 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 2: especially against elite pass rusher. So that's something we do 272 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 2: definitely consider, but it all starts with those those two things, 273 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 2: like I said, character and intelligence. 274 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: Orlando Brown Junior is another guy that has arm length 275 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: and a lot of those measurables. What have you thought 276 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 1: of his NFL career. 277 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 2: I think he's excellent. I think that you know, really 278 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 2: excited again to get get to work with Orlando and 279 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 2: he's got all the traits and tools that you look 280 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 2: for in an elite tackle, So you know, fired up. 281 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 2: To have those two guys here is a real plus 282 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 2: and advantage because there's just not that many guys walking 283 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 2: planet Earth that can do those things, that have that 284 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 2: kind of length and and talent, and uh, it's there. 285 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 2: That's why guys are It's a coveted position, you know 286 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 2: in the NFL, is to have two tackles you can 287 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 2: can play long and can move their feet. 288 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: Is run game coordinator part of the job description for 289 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: you here. 290 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 2: That is not the title, but that's something we're all 291 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 2: going to collectively do as a staff and so looking 292 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 2: forward to collaborating with with the rest of the offensive coaches. 293 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: It's an interesting chant. In Cincinnati, You've got a great 294 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: offense led by Joe Burrow, but it's a pass first 295 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: offense with Joe and Jamar, that's understandable. How does that 296 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: impact coaching the offensive line? 297 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 2: Well, it puts a lot of premium on obviously protection, 298 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 2: so you you have to you know, you have to 299 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 2: come about it in a way where we take a 300 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 2: lot of pride I do personally just in the protection detail, 301 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 2: making sure the guys have the skills, understand the situations. 302 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 2: The scheme is obviously a huge part of that. But 303 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 2: but then the tools to be able to block and 304 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 2: hold up in protection against the elite rushers of the league. 305 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 2: That's that's what you got to do if you want 306 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 2: to win a world title. So huge, huge aspect and consideration. 307 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 2: Something that I think is the strength of mind to 308 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 2: be able to help develop those guys further in their 309 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 2: careers and they're to help us win. 310 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: What did you learn about the AFC North in your 311 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: four years in Cleveland? 312 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 2: Well, I learned that nobody likes the Ravens and nobody 313 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 2: likes the Steelers, you know, so, uh it was uh No, 314 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 2: I learned a ton and honestly, it's my favorite division 315 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 2: in football. It's a great rivalries across the league, across 316 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 2: the division, so familiar with each each side, and you know, 317 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 2: having been in Cleveland for four seasons, you get a feel, 318 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 2: real good feel for the way things work, and there's 319 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 2: been good continuity there across all four teams, So you 320 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 2: have some knowledge going in. 321 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: Did you talk to Zach or anybody else about possible 322 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: changes on the Bengals offensive line going forward for next year? 323 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 2: You know, we have not talked about that yet, but obviously, 324 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 2: like every year, there's always transition, always change, there's always 325 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 2: new people coming and going. So but we'll looking forward 326 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 2: to that discussion as we get get underway. Tell me 327 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 2: a little bit about the Tip of the Spear. Yeah, So, 328 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 2: Tip of the Spear is a company that I started. 329 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 2: It's a it's a coach is really more so for coaches, 330 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 2: a training program that we started after the gym. I 331 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 2: sold the gym and started this football company where we 332 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 2: would clinic coaches. And we did that, you know, again 333 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 2: from the NFL level, a lot of college programs and 334 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 2: then really down to the youth level. So teaching contact, 335 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 2: how do we you know, use the most meaningful tools 336 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 2: you know that don't involve the helmet. So we took 337 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 2: the helmet, try to take the helmet out of contact 338 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 2: the best tools, as we talked about, are not the helmet. 339 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 2: I mean you're not going to move a chair or 340 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 2: a large couch with your head. I mean if you're 341 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 2: moving to some and we move people with our shoulders, 342 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 2: use our hands. So that was a curriculum that we 343 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 2: developed and it's it's ongoing. So Mike Pollock, a former 344 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 2: Bengal player, he runs it now. So Mike's doing a 345 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 2: great job with that. But that was something that really 346 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 2: did help help me kind of and it was started 347 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 2: before I got into coaching, actually, you know, working for 348 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 2: the Browns, but their tools are things that you give 349 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 2: coaches like here's here's a high level progression for contact. 350 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 2: So again it's really the same things. We found that 351 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 2: even the youth players and the and the top NFL players, 352 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: the biomechanics are the same. Positions are maybe different, but 353 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 2: a lot of the objectives and the way we go 354 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 2: about contact or are very much the same. So that's 355 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 2: that's kind of on a high level, what we we 356 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 2: do a tip of the spear and give guys really 357 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 2: just alternative tools and methodologies to be able to train 358 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 2: contact in the off season like baseball, if you want 359 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 2: to get better at baseball in the off season, you 360 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 2: go to the batting cage. You want to play basketball, 361 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 2: you shoot free throws. You know, you can do sports 362 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 2: specific training. But in football, contact is the is an 363 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 2: art form, it's a skill. It's a high level skill 364 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 2: that takes a long time in many cases to develop 365 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 2: because of the lack of opportunity. So finding ways to 366 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 2: get those skills developed in a capacity where contact isn't 367 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 2: allowed with something we also major in. 368 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: There are only thirty two jobs of the fit your 369 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: job description. Why was this one appealing to you? 370 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 2: Well, obviously it appeals to me because you know the 371 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 2: Bengals are have a very good football team, and you 372 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 2: know they're a program that I'm familiar with. It's exciting. 373 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 2: I'm obviously very proud that you know the lineage here 374 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 2: after Jim McNally was coaching here. So there's a lot 375 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 2: that I know about the program and a lot to 376 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 2: be excited about. I think that you know, coming in 377 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 2: and having a chance to help get take the guys 378 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 2: to the next level of something I'm really optimistic about 379 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 2: and excited to be a part of. Welcome to Cincinnati. 380 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: Great to have you part of the Bengals family. 381 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:07,239 Speaker 2: It's great to be here. Thank you. 382 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 1: Coach Peters is bringing an assistant offensive line coach with 383 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: him named Michael McCarthy. He is previous NFL experience of 384 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: the Patriots, Lions, and Browns. The Bengals Booth Podcast is 385 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: brought to you by pay Corps, Proud to be the 386 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: Bengals official HR software provider, by Alta Fiber, future Proof 387 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: Fiber Internet designed elevate your home, business and community to 388 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: a new level, and by Kettering Health the best care 389 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: for the best fans. Kettering Health is the official healthcare 390 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: provider of the Bengals. For more on the hiring of 391 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: Scott Peters and an in depth look at some of 392 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: the bengals other offseason priorities, I caught up with Bengals 393 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: dot com editor Jeff Butch Hobson Butchery. Both had the 394 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: opportunity to visit with new offensive line coach Scott Peters today. 395 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, anybody who gets a thumbs 396 00:18:56,359 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 1: up from Jim mcdally and Bill Callahan sounds good to me. Well, 397 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: what did you think from your interaction with Scott? What 398 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 1: do you think of his background? 399 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was impressive. The number of things 400 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 3: that he's done since he stopped playing. He's he's forty six, 401 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 3: so he's been done playing now for a good sixteen 402 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 3: seventeen years. 403 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 4: And you know, McNally calls him. 404 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 3: We're talking about former offensive line coach Bengals offensive line 405 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 3: coach and consultant Jim McNally, who's kind of has the 406 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 3: same status as Bill Callahan guru offensive line guru. And 407 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 3: you know, Jim says Peters is the best, the best 408 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 3: of the updated offensive line coaches, meaning you know when 409 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 3: it comes to the current day mechanics and technique in 410 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 3: the game, and you know, you talk to him, you 411 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 3: know he's got that Joe Jetsu Marshall ats background. He's 412 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 3: a hands guy. That's what Bill. Bill brought him to 413 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 3: the Browns. Bill Callahan brought him to the Browns. He 414 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 3: as like his hands guy, but you know, he kind 415 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 3: of had this Niche is kind of a you know, 416 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 3: he was a specialist, you know, but you know, but 417 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 3: he's been working with McNally and Callahan for years and 418 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 3: Jimmy says, you know, he's he knows everything. He's not 419 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 3: only a very technique sound hands guy, but he knows protections, 420 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 3: he knows schemes, and you know he actually Jimmy's very 421 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 3: famous Mushroom Society of offensive line coaches. 422 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 4: Peters went there, you know, right when he was. 423 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 3: Done playing football and not into coaching yet, but he 424 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 3: would go and he would present, you know, he would 425 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 3: present to that group. 426 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 4: So you know, he maybe forty six, but he knows 427 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 4: his stuff. 428 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: What's the challenge for the new offensive line coach in Cincinnati. 429 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 4: I think he hit it on the head. 430 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 3: I think he said development, you know, to develop maybe 431 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 3: not the first round draft picks and a second or 432 00:20:55,840 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 3: maybe not draft picks at all, but you know, practice squad. 433 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 4: Guy, back of the roster guys, you know. 434 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 3: Get them up and playing. There's several examples of them 435 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 3: in Cleveland. And I think that's I think he sees 436 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 3: himself in the in the mold of McNally that way, 437 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 3: you know, the guy he built. Jimmy built one of 438 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 3: the great offensive lines of all time in Cincinnati with 439 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 3: Munos the third pick in the draft as his lynch pin. 440 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 3: But it was made up other than that. It was seventh, eighth, 441 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 3: ninth round draft picks back when they had nine rounds. 442 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 3: So I think Scott sees himself, you know, kind of 443 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 3: in that mold and develop people. And you know, of 444 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 3: course the challenge is to counter those you know, great 445 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 3: defensive lines in the AFC North there always seems to 446 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 3: be three of them, you know, and I think it helps. 447 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 3: That's a big reason. And I take my hat off 448 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 3: to Zach for going after a guy who coached in 449 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 3: the division for four years and uh, you know, I 450 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 3: think that's a kind of a nod to what he 451 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 3: and Callahan did in Cleveland. 452 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: I think it's safe to assume three of the five 453 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: starting spots will be unchanged. Orlando Brown Junior will be 454 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 1: the left tackle, Ted Carris will be the center, and 455 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: A Marius Mims will be the right tackle. Do you 456 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: think one or both guards will be different? 457 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 3: Well, I think, you know, they definitely sent a message 458 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 3: in the month of December. They benched Volson, you know, 459 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 3: at a couple of different points. And although I think 460 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 3: he's a guy, to me, he's a guy. 461 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 4: He's forty years in the game. 462 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 3: You know, you would think he's got a lot left 463 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 3: to you know, to grow. But if that's a that 464 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 3: may be a sign they look elsewhere. 465 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 4: And maybe they're looking. 466 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 3: They don't have to have very fat a look, they 467 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 3: could have their left guard and thirty four that the 468 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 3: guy they replaced Bolson with who had a very fine season, 469 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 3: you know. At right guard, I think Alex camp Cap 470 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 3: has been banged up, you know, so I think they 471 00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 3: have to make a decision there, you know, can he 472 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 3: get healthy and but I think that's something that they 473 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 3: you know that they're definitely going to look at the interior. 474 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 4: I think you're right. 475 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, Mims and Orlando Brown. I think 476 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 3: you know, that's about as good as you could get. 477 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 3: Peters talked about that about how he's got a great 478 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 3: starting spot with those two tackles, you know, because they're 479 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 3: the highest guys to get, you know, so. 480 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 4: You know, I think guides definitely where they're looking at. 481 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 1: Orlando Brown Junior, by the way, in the building working 482 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: out today on Martin Luther King Day. So he's picking 483 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 1: up right where he left off in the off season 484 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: last year, which is a great thing to see. Butch, 485 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: I kid you often about being mister run the ball 486 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: guy in a passing era, but there have been ten 487 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: playoff winners so far this year. They have averaged one 488 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty eight rushing yards so far. So I'm 489 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: coming around to your side. Does some of that has 490 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 1: to do with bad weather? Some of those yards come 491 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: after the games are clinched, and that distorts the stats 492 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 1: a little bad. But I do think that part of 493 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 1: the challenge for Scott Peters and part of the challenge 494 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: for Zach Taylor going forward is to have a more 495 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: dependable running game. And I imagine that's music to your ears. 496 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's great to hear you coming on board. 497 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll give you a leather helmet for that. 498 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 4: But no, you know, it's funny. 499 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 3: I always would say, you know, everybody says it's a 500 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 3: passing league until about December tenth, you know, and I 501 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 3: think it's. 502 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 4: Uh. 503 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 3: Part of the reason, I think is because these pass 504 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 3: rushers and they're getting better and better, and so you 505 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 3: just can't be third and long. You know, you're trying 506 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 3: to get to third and two, you know, And I've 507 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 3: seen a lot of that. You see you seem to 508 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 3: seem see that a lot more in the playoffs, probably 509 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 3: because the teams that there have these great pass rushers, 510 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 3: so you're seeing them the ball run at least one 511 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 3: of two times early in the downs if they don't 512 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 3: run it on first down, they run it on second 513 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 3: down to make sure. You know, like Josh Allen third 514 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 3: and two, you can't stop. You can't stop Josh Allen 515 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 3: on third and two now third night. Yeah, so you know, yeah, 516 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 3: a lot of it's weather and stuff, but I just 517 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 3: think also too, you know, when you're playing a guy, 518 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 3: you know Lami twice a year, and as good as 519 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,719 Speaker 3: Burrow is, you know, you got to keep Jackson off 520 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 3: the field, you know, and uh, these offenses that you play, 521 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 3: I mean, you know you want to keep Burrow on 522 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 3: the field as long as possible. And and you know, 523 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 3: I think if you put him with a run game 524 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 3: and any kind of semilance of play action, I mean, 525 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 3: he'd be absolutely lethal. I mean, you know, he's you know, 526 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 3: his numbers would say he's better than Jackson and Allen. 527 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 3: So put him with a put him with any kind 528 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 3: of a play action, and you know, you know, what 529 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 3: are you looking at. You're looking at a monster. I 530 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 3: mean he's already monstrous. I mean, he's already he's already 531 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 3: thrown as you As I go back and listen to 532 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 3: my Horde calls, I mean some of these touchdowns you're describing, 533 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 3: you know, it's like something out of the circus, you know. 534 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 4: I mean, so you give Joe Burrow a running game? 535 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 5: My god, Well, I think he's got a good running 536 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 5: and I think he's got a good running game too. 537 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 5: I mean, I don't want to just I think he's 538 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 5: you know, I think Zach did a good ball trying 539 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 5: to you know, with Eric Allen and stuff. 540 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 4: I mean with Eric Hall. 541 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 3: I think Zach had saw what he I thought Zach 542 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 3: did a great job recognizing what he had in Eric 543 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 3: Hall and Chase Brown and Zach Moss because I thought 544 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,360 Speaker 3: before Eric Hall all get hurt, he did a great 545 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 3: job with formations and stuff. 546 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Chase Brown would have topped one thousand yards 547 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: if he wasn't injured in the regular season finale. So 548 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: it wasn't like they didn't run it at all. It 549 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 1: wasn't like the running game didn't have some good moments. 550 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: But I would like to see a little bit more 551 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: of a commitment to it. Cut down on the number 552 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: of hits that Joe takes, and help your offensive line 553 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 1: a little bit more if they can. 554 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think you know, when you judge 555 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 3: the Bengals offensive line, I don't think you can you know, 556 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 3: you have to understand that they're playing they're playing against 557 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 3: teams that know that Burrow is their guy. And you know, 558 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 3: Zach has said it's a past first offense. So I 559 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 3: think that, you know, you've got to give your offensive line. 560 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 3: I think it does. You know, teams aren't playing the run. 561 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 3: You know, those edge guys, those edge guys aren't playing 562 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 3: the run. 563 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 4: I mean they're they are. 564 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 3: You know, as they like to say, what pin their 565 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 3: ears back, that's a good lap, that's that's that's a 566 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 3: good lap thing. 567 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 4: You know, lap Lapp will say that when it's third and. 568 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 3: Eight or they're down ten, you know, but these guys, 569 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 3: you know, I think they're always been in their ears 570 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 3: back most of the time. So I think the offensive 571 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 3: line really, I mean, you know, yeah, they got to 572 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 3: you know, they got to improve. But I mean I think, uh, 573 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 3: for a team that pass protects as much as they do, 574 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 3: you tip your head off of the tackles and. 575 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 4: The way Pitcher and Zach do the protections, you know, 576 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 4: I think they do. I think they do a good job. 577 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think if you look at you know, pressure 578 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: percentage and sacks for a pass attempt, it was more 579 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: middle of the pack. So If you just look at 580 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: the raw numbers of sacks allowed and quarterback kids, it 581 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: doesn't look great. Then when you consider how often they 582 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: threw it, you realize that the offensive line did a 583 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: reasonably good job. 584 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 3: You know, listen, Zach put together the most prolific, uh, 585 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 3: the most prolific offense in franchise history. So I think, 586 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 3: you know, I think he's got to you know, I 587 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 3: think he's on the right. 588 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 4: You know, I think he's you know, whatever he's doing 589 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 4: is pretty good. 590 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 3: So I think here, I think that's why I think 591 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 3: I tip my hat to him when he goes with 592 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 3: a guy like Peters, who I think, you know, Peters 593 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 3: has had an unconventional rise in the game. But I 594 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:59,719 Speaker 3: think Zach recognizes his pedigree and the things, the strength 595 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 3: he's in Cleveland he wants to bring here, which I 596 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 3: think is great because the Cleveland offensive line when Callahan 597 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 3: and Scott were there. 598 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 4: Gave the Bengals fits best in the league. Yeah, that's right, 599 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 4: no question. 600 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 2: All right. 601 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: There are three big contract issues that every Bengals fan 602 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: is talking about and thinking about. Jamar and Chase t 603 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: Higgins and Trey Hendrickson. Do any of those deals get 604 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: done before the combine. Do you think that's. 605 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 3: What people are saying, that that is a you know, 606 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 3: I've heard that bandied about that the timeline is a 607 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 3: little bit accelerated. You know, usually we sealed, we see 608 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 3: deals like that in training camp, you know, later in 609 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 3: the calendar. But because they do have some, you know, 610 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 3: you got to you know, since they do it, two 611 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 3: of the two great receivers are both up at the 612 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 3: same time. Do they have to get that resolved? I 613 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 3: mean that's interesting. You know, do you get Chase done? 614 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 3: Do you franchise Tea? I mean, these are all things 615 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 3: you hear about. I would say, I don't know it 616 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 3: has to get done before the combine, but I think 617 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 3: there'll be a glory of activity we probably haven't seen. 618 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 3: I think I think the date we're looking for is 619 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 3: before free agency, right, what's that open match the IDEs 620 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 3: of match match fifteen. I think that's probably maybe the 621 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 3: date to keep an eye on where probably they'll be. 622 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 3: You know, there might be a little bit more activity 623 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 3: than usual with with with with with guys on their roster. 624 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: As you've watched playoff games, hasn't added to your belief 625 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: that the Bengals would have had a chance for a 626 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: long postseason run had they made it. 627 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean just the way, just the 628 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 3: way Joe is playing. 629 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 4: I mean, I I think. 630 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 3: You know, you know, you particularly look at the at 631 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 3: the teams that have won. You know, this is the 632 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 3: Buffalo team that they'd be pretty handily on a Monday 633 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 3: night just a year ago, you know, and I don't 634 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 3: think they're as good. I don't think their defense is 635 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,239 Speaker 3: as good. Don't think Buffalo's defense is as good as 636 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 3: the one that Burrow picked. 637 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 4: A pat that night. And you know that was a 638 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 4: good Buffalo defense in Cincinnati in twenty twenty three. So 639 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 4: I just look at that. 640 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 3: I think they would have you know, I think they 641 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 3: could have had their way in Buffalo, you know, certainly, 642 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 3: I think, uh, you know, I mean another shot at Baltimore. 643 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 4: I mean, geez, they I mean, you know, I. 644 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 3: Mean, it just makes you think how closely you know, 645 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 3: they had Kansas City beat, and Kansas City really hasn't. 646 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 3: I thought Kansas City looked rusty for the first forty 647 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 3: five minutes. You know, if the Bengals had gotten them 648 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 3: in that in that game, if they had gone him 649 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 3: in a divisional you know, against the rusty Kansas City 650 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 3: team and them being so hot. Yeah, I just you know, 651 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 3: I guess, I guess the more I watched, the sicker 652 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 3: I guess I get. I guess I can only imagine. 653 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 3: I can only imagine how the Bengals and the coaches feel, 654 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 3: you know. I mean, I think it was, uh, you know, 655 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 3: they're they're you know, they're clearly good enough. 656 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: When Joe Burrow came out after the Dallas game and 657 00:31:55,520 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: expressed confidence that the Bengals could keep t Higgins, change 658 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: your opinion of the likelihood that that could happen. 659 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I don't know. 660 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 3: It's still a numbers game, Hordy, But I think, you know, 661 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 3: Borrow's got a lot to say in the organization, so 662 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 3: obviously that. 663 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 4: That, uh, that made me listen, you know. 664 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 3: And I think that it's always been the hope of 665 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 3: the team to keep them both, you know, And I 666 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 3: think you know, they're they're trying, they're trying to make 667 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 3: it work, and I it's just not an easy it 668 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 3: is not an easy mathematical problem. 669 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 4: And you know, I think they're gonna try. 670 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 3: I mean, I think I think they were gonna try 671 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 3: even before Joe said anything. But obviously, you know, when 672 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 3: Joe says something, people listen, and I, you know, I 673 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 3: think there's urgency. There's urgency to get both those deals done. 674 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 3: And I I think Joe. I think Joe sends the urgency. 675 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 3: I mean, and I think you know, I think it's 676 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 3: a two way street. I think everybody knows the urgency. 677 00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,040 Speaker 3: I think Joe is just kind of expressing it. But 678 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 3: you know, they still have to figure out. You know, 679 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 3: they're gonna have to stop teams too. You know they're 680 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 3: gonna have to They're gonna have to stop teams too. 681 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 3: So I don't know, man, this is a classic. What's 682 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 3: the answer and how do you do it? I don't know, man, 683 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 3: you gotta be a I don't know if we had 684 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 3: any I don't know if we had any double majors 685 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 3: at Syracuse of philosophy, Uh, philosophy and math. 686 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, economics, advanced economics. 687 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and and and philosophy and and uh. But 688 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 3: I guess you know, yeah, I guess that's called sports 689 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 3: management nowadays. We didn't we didn't have sports management back 690 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 3: in our day. 691 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 4: Maybe that is a sports management class now. 692 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: When t changed agents and aligned himself with Jamar's agent, 693 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: did you take that to be a hopeful sign. 694 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I think the whole. I 695 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 4: think the whole. 696 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 3: You know, when Joe said what he did and t 697 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 3: changed agents, I mean, it just reaffirmed to me that 698 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 3: every but He's. Top thing to happen is both these 699 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 3: guys sticking together. I mean that that's the that's the hope. 700 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 3: And I think, uh, you know, can't you wish it 701 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 3: into reality? I mean that's the thing. I mean, it's 702 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,839 Speaker 3: it's just not a question of you know, if you're 703 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 3: looking at this thing down the road with a you know, 704 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 3: with a defense and special teams, how does it all fit? 705 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 3: And I just think it's uh, you know, I mean 706 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 3: another thing is you got to get the salary cap 707 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 3: numbers too, before anything really happens. I mean, you to 708 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 3: really get a feel for this thing. What's the number 709 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 3: going to be? You know, And I I you know, 710 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 3: you don't typically know what the combine. You know, you 711 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 3: have to kind of you know, that's more of a 712 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 3: free agency question. 713 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 4: So but yeah, I think you know, Te's he's terrific. 714 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 3: You know, he wants to stay. You know, he played high, 715 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 3: he played through injuries. Everybody loves the guy. He wants 716 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 3: to be here, he said it many times, and the 717 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 3: Joe wants him back. But like I said, Kim, the Kim, 718 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:10,800 Speaker 3: the numbers match Kim, the numbers match match the the wish. 719 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: Jamar's under contract, Trey's under contract t could be franchise 720 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: tagged partly to you know, extend the negotiating process and 721 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: try to get a long term deal done. But there 722 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 1: are other guys on this team that we are very 723 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 1: fond of that are truly free agents right now. Mike Hilton, 724 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: Mike KASICKI, BJ Hill, Team Davis Gaither. Any strong feeling 725 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: about any of those guys and trying to retain them, Yeah. 726 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 3: I think, I think, I think, I think Cody Ford, 727 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 3: I think I think is another guy you gotta consider, 728 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 3: you know, because as as one coach told me, what 729 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 3: would have happened if we didn't have Cody Ford this year? 730 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 3: I mean, the guys started at four different spots, and 731 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 3: he really stepped up in the summer when they you know, 732 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 3: when they needed him the most. So, yeah, Cody Ford's 733 00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 3: a guy. Uh Gistecki, I think is a I mean 734 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 3: what better? I mean, just he walked in here and 735 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 3: has sixty two catches and he looked like I mean, 736 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 3: he looked like he'd been playing. 737 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 4: With Borrow for six years, you know. 738 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 3: I mean, those are two guys that off the top 739 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 3: of my head, Off the top of the head, you know, 740 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 3: Davis Gather has been a key guy. He was a 741 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 3: key guy from Scrimmage when they lost Logan Wilson. He 742 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:23,839 Speaker 3: would seem to be a guy you have to keep, 743 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 3: you know, particularly you know, as a core special teams guy. 744 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 3: I mean Hilton, I mean, you know, they they weren't 745 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 3: playing him on third down. Where does that? Where does 746 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 3: that change? You know, you're gonna have a change of 747 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 3: defensive coordinator. So obviously he would have a say on 748 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 3: the Mike Hiltons of the world. But I mean, you know, 749 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 3: if Mike Hilton doesn't take another snap as a Bengal 750 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 3: well in a legacy, he would leave. So you really, 751 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 3: you know, it's it's tough to see a guy like 752 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,720 Speaker 3: that walk out of walk out of the building. 753 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:55,840 Speaker 4: I think that's a question for the next DC. 754 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,800 Speaker 3: But you know, I thought the one thing, and Hilton 755 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 3: was big reason that I thought the Young Corners. I 756 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 3: thought the Young Corners really progressed, you know, And I 757 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 3: thought a reason was Mike was was Mike's leadership in 758 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 3: that in that room. But really, if you're looking for 759 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,800 Speaker 3: something to hang your hat on for this defense, and 760 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,880 Speaker 3: that's a that's starting to be a deep, you know, 761 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 3: a deep room. Cam Taylor Brick played better. I've talked 762 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 3: to some people think Dax Hill. You know, Dax Hills 763 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 3: is one of the top defensive players on this team. 764 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 3: You know, it was the best corner before he got hurt, 765 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,760 Speaker 3: and when DJ Turner got hurt, he was probably playing 766 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 3: their best corner. So Josh Newton played well as a rookie, 767 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:39,360 Speaker 3: So you know, where does Mike fit into that? 768 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:39,839 Speaker 1: Right? 769 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 3: You know that's a I think that's all stuff that 770 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 3: the next DC has to work out. 771 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 1: What's next in the Hall of Fame process. 772 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 3: We've been kind of sworn to secrecy on this one, 773 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 3: so I can't even really set all all. I can 774 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,359 Speaker 3: really tell you Willie's in the final fifteen. So at 775 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 3: some point there has to be a there has to 776 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,319 Speaker 3: be a meeting, there has to be a I have 777 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 3: to make a presentation, there has to be a vote, 778 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 3: and then the thing will be announced on February sixth, 779 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 3: on the night of NFL Awards. But Willie's one of 780 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,319 Speaker 3: the fifteen, you know, god willing, he's uh, he's got 781 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 3: a shot to be on the same stage that maybe 782 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 3: maybe Joe Burrow gets named Comeback Player of the Year. 783 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 4: I wish you would be named MVP, but he's our MVP. 784 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 3: But you know, I would think Comeback Player of the 785 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 3: Year would be nice to see a couple of. 786 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,279 Speaker 4: Bengals up there on the stage joining Burrow on. 787 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 3: You know, that's a glodsy night, that's a glitsy night 788 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 3: in the NFL, that awards night. But that's kind of 789 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,720 Speaker 3: where we are when in a Hall of Fame progress. 790 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 3: We're a little bit of purgatory right now. 791 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,799 Speaker 1: Well, I know you're doing everything in your power to 792 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 1: make Willie's case. You helped him get to this point 793 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 1: on a few straight occasions now, so hopefully this is 794 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 1: the year that we see him up on that stage. 795 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 3: Well, you're kind to say that forty. I think he's 796 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 3: got a powerful argument. We all know the argument. You know, 797 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 3: hasn't been a modern era right tackle elected since Matthew 798 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 3: Slater in two thousand and one, since since Jackie Slater 799 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,880 Speaker 3: in two thousand and one, And we may be voting 800 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 3: on Matthew Slater here pretty soon. So that tells you 801 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 3: it's been a long time for a right tackle. So 802 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 3: but you know, like Willie says himself, everybody on. 803 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,399 Speaker 4: That list is worthy to be in the hall. 804 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 3: You know, it's really it's really just the stunning, you know, 805 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,160 Speaker 3: when you're when you're looking at a you know, so 806 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 3: many great players are really such a smart guy, you know, 807 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,279 Speaker 3: I think he knows, he knows how hard it is. 808 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,279 Speaker 3: I think he also knows it's just an honor to 809 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:51,839 Speaker 3: be I mean, forty years in a row, he's been 810 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 3: one of the fifteen. 811 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 4: That's quite an honor, no doubt. 812 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 1: All right, butch appreciate your time as always, great stuff. 813 00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,439 Speaker 1: Looking forward to seeing you soon. 814 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 4: Ord, You're the best. 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