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Speaker 2: Danny parkins breakfast Ball and FS one lot to talk about.
Speaker 2: So two things about an hour here, Two things that
Speaker 2: you're you're engaged in but we haven't talked a lot
Speaker 2: about But you're big into gambling and you like politics.
Speaker 2: So I got into this discussion of the air death, thought
Speaker 2: this was fascinating. I'm not going to predict who's going
Speaker 2: to win the election, but I found this fascinating. So
Speaker 2: there's something called the poly market, which is a you know,
Speaker 2: a gambling market for the election, and it leans heavy right.
Speaker 2: So tell me if I'm right on this. I said
Speaker 2: to a person yesterday. I said, I'd be very careful
Speaker 2: about reading too much into this market, and I want
Speaker 2: your I want you to analyze it if you're if
Speaker 2: you're my broker, I said, First of all, seventy two
Speaker 2: percent of bets in America are placed by men. Men
Speaker 2: bet more than women. Big bets is close to eighty
Speaker 2: five percent. We've all known a guy who's made a
Speaker 2: ten thousand dollar bet. I've never once had my wife say,
Speaker 2: my friend Beth just placed twenty five thousand dollars on
Speaker 2: the ranger to beat the caps tonight. So men are betters,
Speaker 2: men are big betters. So the market is influenced by
Speaker 2: that demographic. We know there's a referendum in this election
Speaker 2: that we've never seen before in my lifetime. It's men
Speaker 2: versus women. I mean, that's literally what the election is
Speaker 2: to a large degree. So I told somebody that market
Speaker 2: is going to favor the male candidate. Do not trust
Speaker 2: trust the Mayorst poll. Try whatever the polls are. There's
Speaker 2: a handful. So that was my take is that markets,
Speaker 2: when it becomes a man versus woman bet a market
Speaker 2: will overwhelmingly favor a man because men bet more than
Speaker 2: women and bet large amounts on women. Now, as somebody
Speaker 2: that knows much more about betting than I do, does
Speaker 2: that make any sense?
Speaker 1: Well, I think it makes some sense. But this is
Speaker 1: markets are supposed to be impartial, like the old adage
Speaker 1: of like Vegas wants to get fifty percent of action
Speaker 1: on each side of the game, and just clear the
Speaker 1: vig is not really true, Like Vegas is happy to
Speaker 1: take a position on a game yes, and be fine
Speaker 1: with eighty percent of the money being on one side
Speaker 1: if they have conviction that the public is wrong. Like
Speaker 1: there's this notion that like Vegas sets the line. It's
Speaker 1: not true sharp gamblers set the line. Vegas will open
Speaker 1: at a number, but they'll open at a number at
Speaker 1: maybe a lower limit and then see where the bigger gamblers,
Speaker 1: the good gamblers come in and place their money, and
Speaker 1: then that's where the line gets so sharp. So like
Speaker 1: betting into an NFL Sunday on Sunday morning, you're betting
Speaker 1: into the sharpest market possible. Like I try to place
Speaker 1: NFL bets Sunday night for the next week.
Speaker 2: I'll give you an example. Monday in the herd, I said,
Speaker 2: I am taking the Rams minus five. It'll move to
Speaker 2: seven before the DeVante trade, I said, offensive coach off
Speaker 2: of buy Superior Quarterback. I said, the wise guys, they're
Speaker 2: all betting the Rams here. Now the market's at six
Speaker 2: and a half. So that's an example of I've always
Speaker 2: said the blazing five the biggest weakness. I don't get
Speaker 2: to do it on Monday.
Speaker 1: Correct. Correct my friends. And on the picks that I'm
Speaker 1: on Parkings, picks that I'm making on Friday, and by
Speaker 1: the way, twelve seven and one so far, feeling very good,
Speaker 1: feel like I'm seeing the board very clearly. But they're
Speaker 1: like you, you're not doing totals and you're firing into
Speaker 1: Friday markets. They're like they're putting They're putting you in
Speaker 1: a very, very tough spot to have a winning season.
Speaker 1: But I say all of that to say, like, the
Speaker 1: markets are supposed to be impartial, and you can look
Speaker 1: at offshore markets of the presidential election, and I've talked
Speaker 1: to enough people that know this, Like, if we were
Speaker 1: allowed to bet legally on the presidential election, it would
Speaker 1: be a bigger gambling event than the super Bowl. It
Speaker 1: would be the biggest gambling event that we could possibly have.
Speaker 1: So I do think generally speaking, the gambling markets for
Speaker 1: this stuff are pretty good. I'll be honest. The biggest
Speaker 1: gambling loss of my life is the twenty sixteen election.
Speaker 1: I just didn't believe it. I just didn't believe it.
Speaker 1: And I kept firing on Hillary Clinton night of the election,
Speaker 1: and my buddy like, he like text me, He's like, dude,
Speaker 1: you've got to stop. Like the markets have spoken. I
Speaker 1: don't care what they're saying on CNN. It's like, I
Speaker 1: don't care what the polls are saying. I don't care
Speaker 1: what you're rooting. Interest is here. He's like, like, the
Speaker 1: markets have spoken. And it was a great lesson that
Speaker 1: the markets were ahead of what was being talked about
Speaker 1: on TV. And obviously that was an event that basically
Speaker 1: none of the polls and none of the pundits saw coming.
Speaker 1: So I think your theory holds some water because the
Speaker 1: market in America is not as sharp as it should
Speaker 1: be with this because you can't take it take it legally.
Speaker 1: But this you can get five figures six figures down
Speaker 1: on the election offshore, no problem. I know people that have.
Speaker 1: So I don't believe that it's like terribly influenced by
Speaker 1: a bias of the gambling pool because there is plenty
Speaker 1: of money down on it. I think this is a
Speaker 1: coin flip election. Yeah, right, same, you know, and the
Speaker 1: polls pretty much reflect that. Yeah, the gambling markets absolutely
Speaker 1: reflect For the last few months, I haven't seen it
Speaker 1: be more than like plus one twenty really in either
Speaker 1: direction since it's settled when Kamala entered the race. So
Speaker 1: this this is a coin flip election. So you know, I.
Speaker 2: Said it today, I think, And I had a music
Speaker 2: producer text me today that I know off this comment
Speaker 2: I made. He liked this comment. I think two things
Speaker 2: you see within five to six games of a new
Speaker 2: franchise quarterback clear red flags and excellent traits. So I
Speaker 2: always use the example of the voice or of American
Speaker 2: has talent or American idol. I don't know much about
Speaker 2: music other than I enjoy it. But I can see
Speaker 2: within three to four notes, you know, I mean literally
Speaker 2: twelve seconds hack and great, figuring out lounge singer to
Speaker 2: successful lound singer. Good is hard. Justin Fields could be good,
Speaker 2: but good is very hard to decipher because the difference
Speaker 2: between good and great is consistency. You've got very few
Speaker 2: bad games from Mahomes, whereas Russell Wilson now is at
Speaker 2: the point where ooh that's pretty good. Oh that's awful.
Speaker 2: Same with Justin Field. So I think good is hard
Speaker 2: to decipher. I think awful and great are pretty easy.
Speaker 2: You can see a draft pick in the NBA, You're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's like James Wiseman. I'm watching with the Warriors. Like
Speaker 2: second year, I'm like, he's never going to be a
Speaker 2: star in this league. It is an ant first year
Speaker 2: All Star break, You're like, yeah, that's gonna work. Jason
Speaker 2: Jason Tatum, even rookie year Jason Tatum, You're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's gonna work. He's gonna get better. So I look
Speaker 2: at Caleb and Jaden Daniels and to a lesser degree
Speaker 2: bo Nicks, and I'm like, yep, those are franchise guys.
Speaker 2: Whereas Justin Fields was one step forward, two back. Caleb
Speaker 2: just keeps getting better. Clearly takes to Jayden Daniels. He's
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson, but better in the pocket. Is a rookie.
Speaker 2: Bo Nicks has a lower ceiling, less of an arm,
Speaker 2: reads the field, more mobile than anybody that didn't watch
Speaker 2: Oregon Duck Games really realizes he's actually really mobile. Bark's
Speaker 2: right back at Sean Payton. Not a follower, total leader, confrontational,
Speaker 2: and I feel very now now Bo has the less talent.
Speaker 2: He's in a division with Harbon Andy Reid like it's
Speaker 2: a tough draw. But my take is Caleb, Jayden Bow,
Speaker 2: these are franchise quarterbacks. I have no fear saying, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is what it looks like.
Speaker 1: So I want to ask you two quick questions before
Speaker 1: I give you my full response to it. One, I
Speaker 1: guess this would be a small ripon. Do you think
Speaker 1: the NBA. I don't think the NBA comparison is fair
Speaker 1: because in the NBA it is so purely a talent sport,
Speaker 1: like talent can over overcome situation, like John Moran goes
Speaker 1: to Memphis, doesn't matter like the franchise, or Anthony Edwards
Speaker 1: minis doesn't matter the franchise like your talent will always
Speaker 1: win out. In the NBA. You might not win big
Speaker 1: if you don't have a good organization, but you can
Speaker 1: be a ten time All Star on a bad franchise
Speaker 1: and make an impact in the NBA. In football, I
Speaker 1: do think situation coaching, offensive line talent around you. It
Speaker 1: is so situational that I find it much easier to
Speaker 1: make a snap judgment in basketball than I do in football.
Speaker 1: And then I guess the quick question I'd give back
Speaker 1: to you is what did you say about RG three?
Speaker 1: Because his rookie year was historic? So that's good my injury, sure,
Speaker 1: But I feel like we have said a lot of
Speaker 1: the things we said about Jaden about RG three.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I said during RG three's rookie year, I
Speaker 2: said Lux the better quarterback. But RG three is more
Speaker 2: fun to watch. And voters are suckers for art artistry.
Speaker 2: NBA voters Westbrook, Westbrook, he can't has bad handles and
Speaker 2: can't shoot. Derek Rose couldn't shoot, spindily ended up getting
Speaker 2: hurt a lot. So I think RG three pleased the eye,
Speaker 2: but I didn't think it was nearly as sustainable. I
Speaker 2: thought Andrew luck was bigger, stronger. I mean, Jesus, the
Speaker 2: kid went to Stanford, he memorized a playbook. According to
Speaker 2: Kobe Fleeener, who also went to Stanford in two days,
Speaker 2: like it's like, yeah, it's so, I never bought into the.
Speaker 1: Crazy but I mean, but RG three was Rookie of
Speaker 1: the year, right, I didn't buy it. You so you
Speaker 1: didn't buy it, and you buy something Jaden that you
Speaker 1: did not buy with RG three.
Speaker 2: Oh I think I think ja you know, I said
Speaker 2: with RG three, I think he's talented, but he would thin.
Speaker 2: I said, Andrew Lucks a better player. So Jaden is
Speaker 2: better in the pocket than RG three. I think they're
Speaker 2: both equally twitchy. But here's was a real cell for
Speaker 2: me on Jayden Daniels. And this almost never happens, almost
Speaker 2: as a rule, when you have a rookie quarterback. The
Speaker 2: coaching staff says, hey, be patient, this is a process, right. Literally,
Speaker 2: Dan Quinn, a defensive coach, was like, I've never seen
Speaker 2: anything like this. I mean, they literally En Camp couldn't.
Speaker 2: Brian Kelly's like the kid's magic. Brian Kelly runs through
Speaker 2: quarterbacks at Notre Dame. I think he had six at
Speaker 2: one point in like five years. So part of it
Speaker 2: was I watched a lot of his games. Second, the
Speaker 2: people I trusted, Cliff Kingsbury, Steve Kim, who hired Hims
Speaker 2: a friend. He was like, no calling this kid, Cliff,
Speaker 2: can't even like. It's Kyler with more maturity, better in
Speaker 2: the pocket. And I like Kyler. So I've had good
Speaker 2: sourcing on Jayden and I totally buy it.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Jaden, to me is incredibly impressive. I was
Speaker 1: not as sold I certainly was not as sourced on
Speaker 1: him as you were. It was hard for me, with
Speaker 1: how slender he was and how much talent was around
Speaker 1: him to say for sure that it would translate. Like
Speaker 1: I loved Drake May coming out of college. I had
Speaker 1: him Actually of Jaden some of the games I watched,
Speaker 1: I was like, this guy's doing more with less, tough
Speaker 1: as hell, crazy athlete. Youngest brother comes from a family
Speaker 1: of athletes like overachieved his situation, and Jaden Daniels has
Speaker 1: blown me away. I think every piece of hype that
Speaker 1: he's gotten has been totally totally valid. I do think
Speaker 1: there is an element of some of his production is
Speaker 1: based on running the football, and that works obviously. Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson's got a couple of MVPs, but it's not the
Speaker 1: type of thing that age is particularly well, Like, we
Speaker 1: haven't seen that quarterback in their thirties. Like it's a
Speaker 1: depreciating asset. At some point, you need to just be
Speaker 1: great from the pocket, and he's been great from the pocket.
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying he can't be that. But if
Speaker 1: his comp is Lamar Jackson and Caleb Williams's comp is
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, if we did a redraft tomorrow, I would
Speaker 1: still take Caleb Williams over Jaden Daniels. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: the skill set is actually more sustainable and allows for
Speaker 1: a higher ceiling.
Speaker 2: Yeah so I so I would too, Absolutely, yes, But
Speaker 2: I don't think that's a majority opinion any Yeah. No,
Speaker 2: I think Caleb. I use this word a lot. People
Speaker 2: think it's weird. Caleb's thicker and trunk here. He's a big,
Speaker 2: thick athlete. If you're standing around him, you're like ass legs, shoulders,
Speaker 2: like he's like he's just big. Jaden is more spindily
Speaker 2: than always worries me. But saying I would take Caleb
Speaker 2: over Jaden is like saying I would take vanilla ice
Speaker 2: cream over chocolate or whatever. Like I like him both,
Speaker 2: and I don't care.
Speaker 1: I don't care, And I was It's possible people at
Speaker 1: the beginning, people wanted to make this because Caleb had
Speaker 1: a bad couple of games and Shane Waldron had an
Speaker 1: awful adjustment to Chicago. People were immediately running too. It's
Speaker 1: like people have the memory of one day, one minute,
Speaker 1: like it has to be c J. Stroud, Bryce Young.
Speaker 1: I mean, are you guys crazy it Like that is
Speaker 1: so stupid, Like it's very possible that this draft ends
Speaker 1: up being by the way, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberg or
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers. How about this, all three awesome quarterbacks, all
Speaker 1: three franchises and fan bases are thrilled with their.
Speaker 2: Guy, Danny. You don't have to go back that far.
Speaker 2: Herbert Burrow hurt Tua, right, It was just like four
Speaker 2: or five years ago we had an incredible draft.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I think that that is certainly what
Speaker 1: is in play here, because bo Nix and Jaden have
Speaker 1: far exceeded with my expectations were for them coming into
Speaker 1: the draft, and I'll be honest, it was one game
Speaker 1: I thought Drake May was gonna get killed last Sunday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: with six offensive line combinations in six games, no offensive
Speaker 1: weapons to speak of, defensive head coach, they were sitting
Speaker 1: in for a reason. Then it felt like going up
Speaker 1: against Houston's pass rush, which led I mean the Patriots
Speaker 1: led the league in pressures allowed and the Texans led
Speaker 1: the league in pressure percentage generated. I was like, this
Speaker 1: is a terrible matchup. Why are they doing this? And
Speaker 1: he acquitted himself beautifully. I thought in the game one
Speaker 1: of the stories of the season to me is how
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks, rookie quarterbacks are playing so well. But also,
Speaker 1: if you just look at completion percentage in the NFL
Speaker 1: right now, fifteenth in the NFL, fifteenth is Will Levis,
Speaker 1: who's completing sixty six percent of his passage.
Speaker 2: It's not that long.
Speaker 1: Ago that that was top three in the NFL or
Speaker 1: even something that would lead the league. So I think
Speaker 1: what has happened And this is a much better podcast
Speaker 1: topic than TV show topic. I think that analytics and
Speaker 1: the smart people in football have figured out that conservative
Speaker 1: passing is so valuable. Is that an extension of the
Speaker 1: run game, and young quarterbacks can do it, and young
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are cheap quarterbacks, and we know that's where the
Speaker 1: market inefficiency is. So it's never been easier to be
Speaker 1: successful as a young quarterback because the passing game is
Speaker 1: now more left and right than vertical. And in baseball
Speaker 1: and basketball, the analytics revolution has rewarded the high variance plays.
Speaker 1: Go for a home run, shoot a three points. So
Speaker 1: analytics in those sports has actually injected like the more
Speaker 1: difficult skill set, whereas analytics and football don't take risks,
Speaker 1: don't throw the ball down the field, don't force it,
Speaker 1: just matriculate. We'll go forward on fourth down three yards,
Speaker 1: four yards, five yards is fine, and just get the
Speaker 1: ball out quick, don't take hits, execute the easy pass.
Speaker 1: And so you're seeing, I mean, Jaden Daniels is completing
Speaker 1: seventy five percent in his passes. Yeah, that that is
Speaker 1: he deserves credit and he does have some big plays
Speaker 1: to him, so he's not just binking and dunking. But
Speaker 1: that number makes no sense. It seven years ago we
Speaker 1: would have been like, that's not gonna happen. And so
Speaker 1: I just I think that coaches have gotten so much
Speaker 1: smarter at cultivating an offense where young guys can have
Speaker 1: a high floor early. Then it makes it more difficult
Speaker 1: for me to evaluate their ceiling because I think the
Speaker 1: floor has been raised so significantly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what I have said about the Cowboys
Speaker 2: and the Lakers, very insular franchises with a lot of
Speaker 2: buses and friends of buses in the Lakers and a
Speaker 2: lot of Joneses and friends of Jones' inside the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: Is that as the league's gotten sharper, shrewder and more analytical,
Speaker 2: the Lakers and the Cowboys have gotten more of the
Speaker 2: corner grocery store in a supermarket world. Is that football's
Speaker 2: gotten so smart? And you look at the Cowboys right now,
Speaker 2: and they're over paying for a quarterback that's a B
Speaker 2: plus quarterback Like that is the number one mistake in
Speaker 2: the league. Pay for Mahomes or a rookie quarterback. Those
Speaker 2: are the only two. You can have Garoppolo and Goff
Speaker 2: early in their career and get to a super Bowl.
Speaker 2: You can have Garoppolo and get to a super Bowl
Speaker 2: before you pay them big.
Speaker 1: You will get if you get McVeigh, if you get Shanahan, Yes,
Speaker 1: you get if you get one of those guys. And
Speaker 1: obviously those guys don't count against your salary cap, so
Speaker 1: do anything you can to hire one of those guys.
Speaker 2: So people, it's remarkable to me that the Cowboys and
Speaker 2: the market struggles with this. I think Dallas fans have
Speaker 2: finally figured it out. The Athletic did a poll and
Speaker 2: like seventy five percent of Cowboy fans are like, we
Speaker 2: have no chance to win the super Bowl for five years.
Speaker 2: So they get it. Cowboy fans get it. But these
Speaker 2: people that think it's an anti deck conversation, No, it's
Speaker 2: an anti bank paying a B plus quarterback a plus money.
Speaker 2: It is so odd. It's like the most obvious analytics
Speaker 2: some we can argue about in baseball. Some are clear
Speaker 2: that the ground ball is a death penalty, a strikeout's not.
Speaker 2: That's pretty obvious if you don't follow too much analytics
Speaker 2: in football, just don't pay a good quarterback great money
Speaker 2: if you don't know anything else. That's clear. And the
Speaker 2: Cowboy's a billion.
Speaker 1: It's funny. It's I get why teams do it even
Speaker 1: saying that, because in Dallas's situation, let's say they decided
Speaker 1: not to pay Dak and just let him leave for nothing.
Speaker 1: That's also bad team building. Like he finished second in
Speaker 1: the league in MVP last year. He's won twelve games
Speaker 1: three years in a row. They led the league in
Speaker 1: scoring last year. I hate when teams just let stars
Speaker 1: walk for nothing. You have to get something for your asset,
Speaker 1: even if it's sixty cents on the dollar. You have
Speaker 1: to get something. And so Dallas was going to be
Speaker 1: too good to draft Drake may or to draft Bo Knicks,
Speaker 1: or to draft Jada Daniels, and so then they would
Speaker 1: be more they maybe they wouldn't be paying big money
Speaker 1: to go get a good quarterback, but they would be
Speaker 1: trading multiple first round picks to move up and get
Speaker 1: a good quarterback. And do you trust that Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: is going to hire the right coach to develop the
Speaker 1: young quarterback? Because yeah, if you could say, I'd rather
Speaker 1: have Jaden Daniels at his money than Dak Prescott at
Speaker 1: his like of course, obviously, but Atlanta was like, we
Speaker 1: can't have another year of Desmond Ritter, Like we will
Speaker 1: give Kirk Cousins one hundred and eighty million dollars at
Speaker 1: thirty five coming off of an achilles and draft Michael
Speaker 1: Pennix so that we never have to go through a
Speaker 1: season like that again, Like there aren't thirty two good
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the world that can do this job, and
Speaker 1: there's thirty two teams. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I also think something I touched on last week is
Speaker 2: quarterbacks come in more ready to play, but owners are
Speaker 2: more ready to fire them. So you've got this convergence
Speaker 2: of yeah, wealthier, wealthier owners, more impulsive, quarterbacks, more talented,
Speaker 2: we're not giving you two full years. I mean the
Speaker 2: fact that Daniel Jones got an extension and was basically
Speaker 2: a C minus quarterback, it's just that doesn't that doesn't
Speaker 2: happen anymore.
Speaker 1: You know that that that was a terrible one. That
Speaker 1: that that one made made no sense. And the thing
Speaker 1: about these rookies, like I I kept saying when I
Speaker 1: was still doing radio in Chicago, I was like, we
Speaker 1: need to hold Caleb Williams to a really high standard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And people were like, why do you keep saying CJ.
Speaker 1: Stroud that's an outlier? No, it wasn't. The outlier for
Speaker 1: Stroud was that he didn't throw interceptions. He only had
Speaker 1: five interceptions, but Dak had four. Like we have as
Speaker 1: a rookie. We have seen it before the guy had
Speaker 1: twenty three touchdowns. He had a little over four thousand yards.
Speaker 1: It was a very, very, very impressive season because no
Speaker 1: one saw it coming. Houston was terrible. He turned him around.
Speaker 1: He won a playoff game, but I mean he beat
Speaker 1: the Browns. He beat Joe Flacco in a playoff game,
Speaker 1: like and again this is not to knock ce J Stroud,
Speaker 1: but my point is it is easy easier to be
Speaker 1: good as a rookie because back in the day, you'd
Speaker 1: be playing in like the Big twelve in a spread offense,
Speaker 1: and they'd be like, come into the NFL and be
Speaker 1: under center and take seven step drops and throw post routes.
Speaker 1: And now they're like, everything's out of the shotgun. You
Speaker 1: could have a risk band. We're going to call the
Speaker 1: play in on a number, and we're going to give
Speaker 1: you a run pass option, just like you had in college.
Speaker 1: So it's just so much easier to be good early
Speaker 1: that I hope that we get smarter when Shador Sanders
Speaker 1: or whoever comes into the NFL next year, and then
Speaker 1: everyone's like pump the brakes on expectations. No man, like
Speaker 1: build your organization from coaches, from investment in the offensive
Speaker 1: line wide receivers. Build your organization to take advantage of
Speaker 1: the first four years of these guys when they're crazy cheap,
Speaker 1: because that's the easiest time it should ever be for
Speaker 1: you to win a Super Bowl if you have a
Speaker 1: great quarterback. And I do think that Washington and Chicago,
Speaker 1: at least, I'll say it on those guys. You're farther
Speaker 1: ahead on bow next than I am. But those teams
Speaker 1: should be making hyper aggressive moves the next three years
Speaker 1: to win a Super Bowl, because that's what you can
Speaker 1: do if you've got a quarterback who is that good?
Speaker 1: Is that cheap?
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Speaker 2: is better. They're fine. So here's the other one that
Speaker 2: just cracks me up. After a great weekend in college football, man,
Speaker 2: college football is so much better than the NFL. No,
Speaker 2: they're both great, and they're different. The NFL is a
Speaker 2: higher level of coaching and playing. You get guaranteed, like
Speaker 2: five to seven great games a weekend, even though there's
Speaker 2: only thirty two teams. In college football, you have one
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty teams, and you may get four great
Speaker 2: games and a great weekend. I mean, like last weekend
Speaker 2: was great, and we all knew it was great. But
Speaker 2: you'll have weekends going into a college football weekend where
Speaker 2: like there's like one game between ranked teams and you
Speaker 2: can get a nice Kansas State TCU game, But I
Speaker 2: went out with my wife, I'm not watching it. So
Speaker 2: here's how I look at the NFL in college The
Speaker 2: NFL is a successful brother in the family. He always
Speaker 2: has a nice car, he's got a nice fund with
Speaker 2: his broker. A little boring at times and predictable, but
Speaker 2: you kind of know what you get. College football is
Speaker 2: the brother and the family that twice a year you
Speaker 2: have a big part of You invite him over and
Speaker 2: he'll take all his clothes off, go naked, jump into
Speaker 2: a pool, kind of drunk. People laugh, but it's kind
Speaker 2: of inappropriate. You're not happy with him, but you do
Speaker 2: wake up the next morning and say, you know, he
Speaker 2: really gets the most out of life. We have a
Speaker 2: nicer our kids go to better schools, we have a
Speaker 2: nicer life. But you know, Tim, he really has a
Speaker 2: good time in life. And that's how I feel. College
Speaker 2: football is at its best. It's wild, fans are pouring
Speaker 2: on the field. The officiating can be abjectly horrid.
Speaker 1: These are twenty words soccer players who may or may
Speaker 1: not know what they're doing.
Speaker 2: Special teams are a s show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like.
Speaker 2: Tim who got naked and jumped to into a pool,
Speaker 2: there is something memorable and ecstatic about it. And I
Speaker 2: thought Oregon Oregon Ohio State was that it's like Jesus.
Speaker 2: But my point being, if I circle back, is they're
Speaker 2: both great. They're much more unique. One's corporate, one's on
Speaker 2: a campus, and I think that's the beauty of them.
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny, though, I mean, some of your finest work, Colin,
Speaker 1: what are your finest analogies. We gotta work on Tim's name.
Speaker 1: I feel like Tim's name should be like like Madison
Speaker 1: or like Bucky or you've seen like like a college Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: so we get we gotta work on Tim's name, but
Speaker 1: otherwise nine point eight out of ten on the Colin
Speaker 1: Analogy scale. And I was just judging myself because I
Speaker 1: like the NFL so much more than college. And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm the boring, corporate, suburban guy with like the healthy stockportfolio.
Speaker 1: Yeah I know, dude, I'm washed up, Like I got
Speaker 1: a wife and two kids and I just love like
Speaker 1: a sushi dinner and a bottle of red and a
Speaker 1: nice early bedtime. But but yeah, it is. It's it's
Speaker 1: true college at its best. It's just you're like, this
Speaker 1: is crazy. I don't understand what's happening here. This is random.
Speaker 1: A team that's a thirty point underdog can win a game,
Speaker 1: like you know, the NFL. It's like, oh, the biggest
Speaker 1: spread on the board is six and a half, right,
Speaker 1: Like it's parody by design. There's a salary cap, there's
Speaker 1: a salary floor. Free Agents are just as likely to
Speaker 1: choose Dallas as they are Buffalo in Green Bay because
Speaker 1: they just follow the money. Like it's I think the
Speaker 1: NFL is the perfect viewing product. I think it's perfect.
Speaker 1: Every game matters. Every team before the season doesn't think
Speaker 1: they can win a Super Bowl. But like worst a
Speaker 1: first tap in every single year, rookie quarterbacks can change
Speaker 1: a franchise on a dime. Like basically every franchise has
Speaker 1: some reason to believe at least within three years, right,
Speaker 1: Like Jacksonville three years ago absolutely thought that it was
Speaker 1: on the board that they had a future Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame quarterback. So I think the NFL is a perfect
Speaker 1: viewing product, and college is just a little tougher for
Speaker 1: me to like follow and be fully invested in week
Speaker 1: in and week out. But college at its best is
Speaker 1: just awesome. And it's because it means like an irrational
Speaker 1: amount to the people in the building. Not that pro
Speaker 1: fans don't fight, and pro fans aren't passionate, they obviously are,
Speaker 1: but it's just like the tribalism of like this is
Speaker 1: the most important thing in the entire state of Alabama. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm a fifth generation Badger, Like there's just something about
Speaker 1: like the college football pageantry that I'll never be able
Speaker 1: to quit. What did you think about what Dan Lanning did?
Speaker 1: Should that penalty putting twelve men on the field intentionally
Speaker 1: at the end of the game be more than five yards?
Speaker 1: That probably it feels like a cheat code to.
Speaker 2: Me, yeah, a little bit. But my account's job is
Speaker 2: to find holes in the tax system, and we're going
Speaker 2: to find them every year. I make it very clear
Speaker 2: to my accountant, my entertainment attorney, we do not cheat,
Speaker 2: but our job is to assist me in paying the
Speaker 2: least amount of taxes I can. In California, that's legal,
Speaker 2: and I think that's really that's what an accountant's job is,
Speaker 2: to find holes and crevices. Yeah, no, so yes, I
Speaker 2: think I look at it like this. There are two rules.
Speaker 2: There's a certain rule that college has better than pro
Speaker 2: pass interference. No penalty should be sixty four yards. It's
Speaker 2: stupid if our feet are tangled and it's a I
Speaker 2: mean that would literally be like imprisonment for jaywalking. Your
Speaker 2: feet get tangled, it's a sixty four yard penalty. It
Speaker 2: shouldn't be. So college has that better overt But conversely,
Speaker 2: neither side can figure out overtime, and both sports have
Speaker 2: made multiple changes. My theory has always been the road
Speaker 2: team gets the ball first, because it's harder to play
Speaker 2: on the road. You get it first, first, score wins.
Speaker 2: Nobody likes that I wrote about it in my first book.
Speaker 2: So the way I look at this is. It is
Speaker 2: a smart coach and a smart staff manipulating the rules.
Speaker 2: It's not up to Oregon to play nice. It's up
Speaker 2: to the NCAA to get their shit together.
Speaker 1: I completely agree with you. I'm not mad at Dan Lanning.
Speaker 1: But when your accountant finds a loophole, that then the
Speaker 1: government finds, oh my god, we're losing a bunch of
Speaker 1: money on this because there's a loophole, I expect them
Speaker 1: to close the loophole. Yeah, and so just like it
Speaker 1: should clearly be a pre snap penalty, like they should.
Speaker 1: They should not let the time run off the clock, like, hey,
Speaker 1: there's twelve guys out here. Ball is snapped, like blow
Speaker 1: the play dead. It's on the defense. So or put
Speaker 1: the time and back on the clock right, like so
Speaker 1: instead of it going from ten seconds to five seconds,
Speaker 1: it just hey, we got to put this pack. We
Speaker 1: know what you're doing. We got to put it back
Speaker 1: to ten seconds. Like make the rule like less than
Speaker 1: three minutes left in a game or something. If you
Speaker 1: do twelve minut on the field on defense, no time
Speaker 1: can come off the clock. Like it's a pretty easy fix.
Speaker 1: Or make it a twenty fifteen yard penalty. It's an
Speaker 1: easy fix, but I was just like, God, damn it.
Speaker 1: By the way, that's that's smart. But you should be
Speaker 1: penalized more because we did catch you.
Speaker 2: But can we both agree? The worst rule in sports
Speaker 2: is the nfls you fumble into the end zone and
Speaker 2: the other team gets the ball.
Speaker 1: Yes, I hate that. I hate that rule, but I
Speaker 1: do think there should be a compromise. It shouldn't be
Speaker 1: that the other team gets the ball. I like the
Speaker 1: reverse touchback. Okay, so the first touchback. I mean it
Speaker 1: doesn't exist anywhere, so I understand why you'd be confused.
Speaker 1: I'm running into the end zone, I'm diving for the
Speaker 1: pilot on I fumble. If the ball goes out of bounds,
Speaker 1: I don't think I should get the ball back just
Speaker 1: because the other team didn't recover back at the one
Speaker 1: yard line. I do think there should be some penalties
Speaker 1: for like or like added emphasis on ball security by
Speaker 1: the end zone. If you fumble and they don't recover
Speaker 1: and it goes out the end zone, you get the
Speaker 1: ball back. You don't lose possession, but you've got to
Speaker 1: go back to the twenty yard balls.
Speaker 2: Yes, totally agree, totally agree.
Speaker 1: I call it a reverse touchback. I don't know if
Speaker 1: there's a better way to call it that. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: it was second if it was second in goal from
Speaker 1: the four and you go out of bounce at the
Speaker 1: one and the ball or the ball and the ball
Speaker 1: goes out the end zone. Now it's third and goal
Speaker 1: from the twenty, Like you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: you got you should have. You should have a severe
Speaker 1: penalty for fumbling the ball by the end zone. So
Speaker 1: it should not be a change of possession unless the
Speaker 1: defense actually recovers the ball. Defense needs to recover the
Speaker 1: ball in order for the defense to get the ball.
Speaker 2: That's rightly. I don't think you should get a possession
Speaker 2: without recovery.
Speaker 1: I got another one for you. We're talking rule we're
Speaker 1: talking rules changes. I did this on the TV show,
Speaker 1: but they're like, you're talking kicking. You can do it
Speaker 1: in one minute. So I had to literally do this
Speaker 1: in one minute. So I'm bringing this to your podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm seeing too many field goal kickers this year. I
Speaker 1: had the dat after five weeks. I'm going to assume
Speaker 1: that it's the same after six, So just roll with me.
Speaker 1: After five weeks, we had seen more fifty yard field
Speaker 1: goal attempts than any time in league history. And I
Speaker 1: had our research or chart it. It is a straight
Speaker 1: line going up. It's like in Nvidia stock like, it
Speaker 1: is just a straight And it went from seventy six
Speaker 1: fifty yard plus field goal attempts through five weeks last
Speaker 1: year to ninety seven this year. So it is exponential growth.
Speaker 1: And my theory is you get five yards extra on
Speaker 1: these touchbacks because the new kickoff rule, and kickers have
Speaker 1: gotten really damn good, like Brandon Aubrey is ridiculous, is amazing.
Speaker 1: But I don't want to watch kickoff touchback two or
Speaker 1: three first downs field goal. I think that that makes
Speaker 1: you less likely to go forward on fourth down. And
Speaker 1: field goal attempts are not interesting. They're interesting at the
Speaker 1: end of the game when something serious is like a
Speaker 1: game winning field goal is a suspenseful play. A forty
Speaker 1: four yard field goal is not interesting because I let
Speaker 1: not only are field goal attempts up, the make percentage
Speaker 1: is up. Seventy six percent of field goals fifty yards
Speaker 1: or more are makes now, So to me, the kickers
Speaker 1: have gotten too good. It's too big of a part
Speaker 1: of the game. Narrow your uprights. Jason Kelsey said on
Speaker 1: his podcast too, I agree with it. Field goals, the
Speaker 1: uprights are eighteen yards wide. In the Arena League it
Speaker 1: was nine yards wide. Let's narrow the goalposts to bring
Speaker 1: down these numbers. I don't want to see six field
Speaker 1: goal attempts a game. It's four, okay.
Speaker 2: So people years ago, thirty forty years ago suggested because
Speaker 2: Kareem in the seventies, Wilt dunking was so easy, we
Speaker 2: should raise we should raise the rims to eleven. And
Speaker 2: my take is there are changes in all sports, but
Speaker 2: not everything has to be hard. In golf, long putts
Speaker 2: are hard. Driving the fairway for a pro isn't really hard.
Speaker 2: That Yes, pats are easier and kicks are easier, but
Speaker 2: that's okay because when you miss one, it's shocking. So
Speaker 2: you do get the drama when they do miss one
Speaker 2: out of four. That is, sports aren't just about making
Speaker 2: things difficult. Great for Michael Jordan in a zone, the
Speaker 2: mid range sixteen footer was just money. Even in the playoffs,
Speaker 2: he was like sixty percent, And that's okay. People pay
Speaker 2: to see athletes succeed, not fail. So I like my kick.
Speaker 2: I mean, these guys get death threats on college campuses.
Speaker 2: I liked my kickers making most of their kicks because
Speaker 2: if kicking, if kicking was harder and they missed more
Speaker 2: of their kicks, it'd be more bad quarterbacks going forward
Speaker 2: on fourth down, more good teams getting the ball in
Speaker 2: prime field position, and the and margins would grow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I mean reasonable counterpoint. I personally would rather
Speaker 1: watch a fourth down attempt than a field goal attempt,
Speaker 1: like i'd rather see Dak Have you ever.
Speaker 2: Watched Zach Wilson play?
Speaker 1: No, we were just talking about how it's gotten easier
Speaker 1: to play quarterback. But I'd rather watch Dak Prescott throw
Speaker 1: the ball to Ceedee Lamb than Brandon Aubrey kick a
Speaker 1: field goal. Your point on everything in sports doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be difficult and maximum difficulty is true, But I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, there is something to the US
Speaker 1: Open being the most fun golf tournament to watch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: watching the pros struggle. You go to an NBA game
Speaker 1: like they're too good at shooting. I'm sorry. I love
Speaker 1: the NBA. I love it so much. Like I'm going
Speaker 1: to follow Lonzo Ball's preseason debut tonight for the Bulls
Speaker 1: to see how his knee holds up. Like, I love
Speaker 1: the NBA, but they're too damn good at shooting. So
Speaker 1: I'm interested in figuring out a way to make it
Speaker 1: so that the the six ' ten power forward who
Speaker 1: gets fourteen rebounds a game is also not a thirty
Speaker 1: eight percent three point shooter, because then the math says
Speaker 1: that he should shoot threes over go bang down by
Speaker 1: the rim. So I do look for ways to make
Speaker 1: it a little bit more difficult on some of these
Speaker 1: guys because they have gotten so good. They're so good
Speaker 1: at these games.
Speaker 2: It's interesting I was watching. I think I've told you
Speaker 2: this before. Is when I built my show and my business,
Speaker 2: I've always built them on a basic premise. I'll talk
Speaker 2: about things that are urgent and stars. So you have
Speaker 2: to have one of those two things. College football, Pro football,
Speaker 2: scarcity of games, urgency, NBA stars, UFC have e Connor
Speaker 2: McGregor fights Tiger and his prime stars only one masters
Speaker 2: a year. I think it's always been the downside to
Speaker 2: baseball where they don't promote their stars and they's zero scarcity.
Speaker 2: But I will say where I think the Dodgers are
Speaker 2: really smart, They basically just I think it's really brilliant
Speaker 2: and it doesn't get as much play now a lot
Speaker 2: of their stars are hurt. I mean, even though Tahani
Speaker 2: can't pitch. Now, they have an entire pitching staff, a
Speaker 2: strong top five starting pitching staff on the shelf. The
Speaker 2: fact that they're in the NLCS with like five great
Speaker 2: pitchers unavailable is remarkable. But basically what they did they said,
Speaker 2: in a changing landscape where baseball is hurting in attendance,
Speaker 2: we're going to buy an all star team and we're
Speaker 2: going to push most of the big salaries down the road.
Speaker 2: And baseball is like, wait a minute, your payrolls. Fifth,
Speaker 2: you spend a billion dollars in the off season. Second
Speaker 2: was the San Francisco Giants at three hundred and thirty
Speaker 2: million dollars. And I do think there is something to
Speaker 2: be said in sports socialism works, salary caps or socialism
Speaker 2: baseball basically just go spend a billion dollars and then
Speaker 2: you can make it work by pushing down the salaries
Speaker 2: and what so the idea is socialism works. But I
Speaker 2: would argue a Yankees Dodgers World Series is validating my belief,
Speaker 2: which is big brands win. Baseball never wins. If the
Speaker 2: Guardians are in the World Series, or the Tampa Bay
Speaker 2: Rays of the Orioles, and so in the end, because
Speaker 2: of the slow pace of baseball in a frenetic, caffeinated world,
Speaker 2: that allowing the big markets to just have all star teams.
Speaker 2: It's not socialism, it's total capitalism. It's not fair, it's
Speaker 2: not remotely even. And it's the only way for baseball
Speaker 2: to grow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's me listen, maybe gross. It's gross, and it's gross.
Speaker 1: And the our boss's boss, right, like at the top
Speaker 1: of the they're thrilled, like get the Yankees in there,
Speaker 1: and Dodgers are Mets. They'll be fine with either, right,
Speaker 1: It's much better business than Rangers dbacs. I do think that, See,
Speaker 1: I don't agree that baseball doesn't market it stars. I
Speaker 1: think that people just don't care like out out like
Speaker 1: they market them. They have commercials, they have endorsement deals.
Speaker 1: It's just that if I watch the Cubs, and I
Speaker 1: care about the Cubs, there is not enough time for
Speaker 1: me to watch the Dodgers. It's impossible. There's one hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty two games like and I will always be
Speaker 1: in more interested in Cubs, Cubs, Reds than Yankees. Dodgers.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter to me about Otani and Aaron Judge
Speaker 1: because I care about the Cubs and like, so baseball
Speaker 1: makes a Baseball makes one hundred dollars with fives and singles.
Speaker 1: The NFL makes one hundred dollars with one hundred dollars
Speaker 1: bill and with gold bricks. Like it's just a different way.
Speaker 1: They're both good businesses, they're both growth businesses. So the
Speaker 1: players in baseball will never accept the salary cap. It's
Speaker 1: just like their bedrock principle. But I'm telling you man,
Speaker 1: baseball's economic model. We've talked about this with the with
Speaker 1: the regional sports networks, Like they make their money not
Speaker 1: from the NASH TV deals. Obviously they make some, they
Speaker 1: make time, but they make their money from two things,
Speaker 1: really attendance because there's so much inventory, and local media rights.
Speaker 1: Because again there's so much inventory. The Marquee Sports network
Speaker 1: that airs Cubs games, they get one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: Cubs games a year. That's a lot of television. That's
Speaker 1: a lot of commercials, that's a lot of advertisements to sell.
Speaker 1: So the RSN model is collapsing.
Speaker 2: Hurting the small market teams much more correct well.
Speaker 1: Correct but like that is going to create a situation
Speaker 1: where players are going to come up for free agency
Speaker 1: and it's like, Okay, the Dodgers, they can't afford them,
Speaker 1: but do they need them? But do they if they
Speaker 1: already have freemen and bats and otan, Like, they're not
Speaker 1: gonna just there's gonna be gone, Like this offseason, Aaron
Speaker 1: Orwan Sota will get paid, Corbyn Burns will get paid,
Speaker 1: and I don't think there will be another nine figure
Speaker 1: free agent this offseason. Like the have and have nots
Speaker 1: is going to grow so much and so many teams
Speaker 1: are going to be making relatively nothing from their local
Speaker 1: TV deals. And then that also will hurt attendance because
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to feel an exciting competitive team.
Speaker 1: You'll be eliminated by May. By the time kids are
Speaker 1: out of school and you want to go to games,
Speaker 1: the team is going to be fifteen games out of
Speaker 1: first that you don't have to have socialism, but I'm
Speaker 1: not sure you can have completely unchecked capitalism either. Like
Speaker 1: it will make it will make TV executives happy at
Speaker 1: the end to have the Yankees and the Dodgers in it,
Speaker 1: But the health of baseball is June, July August Companion
Speaker 1: Sport barbecues Fourth of July, trying to pack stadiums for
Speaker 1: eighty one home games a year in thirty different cities.
Speaker 1: Why would you go to a game in Pittsburgh in
Speaker 1: June if you have no shot? Or I mean, Milwaukee
Speaker 1: does a nice job as an organization. Tannas will run
Speaker 1: do a nice job. But it's just I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think that the economic model of baseball is at
Speaker 1: a real teetering point that either the players are gonna
Speaker 1: have to break and accept a salary floor and a
Speaker 1: salary cap, or there's going to be need to be
Speaker 1: more drastic like revenue sharing, like the Dodgers should will
Speaker 1: not be able to keep all of their local TV
Speaker 1: rights because I think some of these teams are just
Speaker 1: never going to be able to compete again on the
Speaker 1: money side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think you're necessarily wrong. So last time
Speaker 2: we talked, we talked about your sort of indoctrination into
Speaker 2: New York and New York's post Yeah so, and the
Speaker 2: city itself. I tend to prefer I'm a London, Chicago
Speaker 2: guy more than a New York guy or a Boston guy.
Speaker 2: Nothing against him. I like the people of New York.
Speaker 2: I like the food and the people. I don't like
Speaker 2: the smell and the congestion, but whatever. I don't like
Speaker 2: Rome as much as people do. I don't like New
Speaker 2: York as much as people do. I love London. In Chicago,
Speaker 2: I think it's easier to get around town. Is there
Speaker 2: something in New York for our audience that's surprisingly good?
Speaker 2: Something about New York that you said to yourself, Wow,
Speaker 2: it's even better than the city I grew up that
Speaker 2: I love Chicago.
Speaker 1: It's tough for me to give better. Well, I will,
Speaker 1: I'll say, I mean, I'll say this Central Park is
Speaker 1: not overrated. Central Park is amazing, Yes, but it is.
Speaker 1: It is amazing how big it is and how peaceful
Speaker 1: it is because everything If you find green space in
Speaker 1: this concrete jungle, you're like off to a flame. You're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, green space. But a lot of the
Speaker 1: like little small parks, they're so busy, and so it's
Speaker 1: like can I like you stand up from your chair
Speaker 1: and like someone's like, oh you're are you getting up?
Speaker 1: And like they're coming in to like immediately fill your chair.
Speaker 1: Like it's it's tough to find a quiet moment doors
Speaker 1: in this city. But then you go to the most
Speaker 1: famous one, Central Park, and there could be thousands and
Speaker 1: thousands of people, and there's rickshaws and people drawing caricatures
Speaker 1: of people, and you know, hustle and bustle and Nathan's
Speaker 1: hot dog stands and like there's commerce and everything. You
Speaker 1: can find a patch of green, sit down and have
Speaker 1: a cocktail or listen to a podcast and fall asleep
Speaker 1: in the grass yep, and not be bothered, like it
Speaker 1: is an amazing Like I Chicago has a beautiful lakefront
Speaker 1: and Millennium Park is great, but it's it's not as
Speaker 1: like private like it's it's like you can go into
Speaker 1: places in Central Park and not see buildings.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's insane.
Speaker 1: So you just like because then as soon as you
Speaker 1: step a second outside of it, you're like, oh, right,
Speaker 1: I'm in New York, so I think that everyone knows
Speaker 1: about it. So like, oh, Central Park is great, Like
Speaker 1: sweet Danny, thanks for the breaking news. It really is great.
Speaker 1: And then I just want to shout this out your podcast.
Speaker 1: We talked about stand up comedy last time, and two
Speaker 1: different comedians reached out to me on Instagram after hearing
Speaker 1: about it and one of them is Jared Freed, who's
Speaker 1: an awesome comedian New York regular, And I was going
Speaker 1: back and forth on Instagram and he was like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you want to ever come to the Cellar, let
Speaker 1: me know. And I went to the Cellar last night,
Speaker 1: just table for one at the Comedy Seller and asked
Speaker 1: a producer on the show for a recommendation for a
Speaker 1: spot by there. She gave our social media lady Gianna
Speaker 1: gave me a great spot. Had steak. Freetz went to
Speaker 1: the Cellar by myself fourteen dollars cover, no big like
Speaker 1: cheap entertainment. Louis c k dropped in Jesus, the guy
Speaker 1: sells out arenas he place goes. So there's there's a
Speaker 1: there's a Tuesday, you know what I mean. It was
Speaker 1: just there's something too Anything can happen here at any time.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: That is such a cliche about New York. But it's
Speaker 1: just true, man, it's just true.
Speaker 2: Well I can remember it very well. Buddy of mine,
Speaker 2: I was at ESPN. A buddy of mine, Brian from Portland,
Speaker 2: was in New York and he said, Hey, you want
Speaker 2: to go to a comedy club tonight? And I went
Speaker 2: to I think Carolines. I think it was Caroline's, and
Speaker 2: so I said, yeah, I'll meet you Carolines. And we
Speaker 2: went and I think we had a steak dinner. Could
Speaker 2: have been Del Frisco if I recall, I went to Carolines.
Speaker 2: And one of my favorite I've been saying this for
Speaker 2: twenty years, one of my favorite people in the world
Speaker 2: is Colin Quinn. I think he's so funny.
Speaker 1: I saw him do an Hour at the Cellar three
Speaker 1: weeks ago.
Speaker 2: It was amazing, and he was working on an act
Speaker 2: and in fact, his cousin, who wasn't nearly as funny,
Speaker 2: opened cool, that's funny. And then Colin went an hour
Speaker 2: and he was wearing like sweatpants and a pizza stained
Speaker 2: shirt and he went up there and I remember telling
Speaker 2: my buddy, and this was like twenty years ago. I'm like,
Speaker 2: that's the funniest guy in the country that hasn't become
Speaker 2: Now he's become a megastar now doing stuff on Broadway,
Speaker 2: but at the time he was doing shows and I
Speaker 2: we walked out of there and I'm like, that's a
Speaker 2: like usually a guy gets funny really quick, like John
Speaker 2: mulaney within a year and a half, You're like, Wow, star,
Speaker 2: And I remember thinking Colin Quinn is literally brilliant and
Speaker 2: funny and so likable and relatable, and it just pleases
Speaker 2: me that he's had all of his success. I mean
Speaker 2: his Twitter account. He's literally set on Twitter. If you
Speaker 2: watch it, it's all sarcasm. He plays. He literally plays
Speaker 2: a character. Hey, gang, have you heard about the super
Speaker 2: Bowl today? I'm having a private party. Like his whole
Speaker 2: persona on Twitter. I think is outrageously funny. And I'm
Speaker 2: so that's just a classic New York straight. I just
Speaker 2: walk into Carolines with a buddy and we sat there
Speaker 2: for an hour in our stomach's hurt.
Speaker 1: It was. It was amazing because so there was I'm
Speaker 1: sat at a table for five, and I'm a solo
Speaker 1: and i love going and doing things by myself, so
Speaker 1: I've have no problem. But it's four, you know, people
Speaker 1: in their fifties who have never been to the Comedy
Speaker 1: Cellar before. But they were like pretty decent comedy fans.
Speaker 1: Like they were like thrown out names that it wasn't
Speaker 1: just Dave Chappelle and Chris Rock, Like they knew who
Speaker 1: Sam Morrel was, they knew who David Tell were like
Speaker 1: they were they at least had like some knowledge of comedy.
Speaker 1: And I was telling him about the seller and I
Speaker 1: was like, listen, you're not going to know every name here,
Speaker 1: but like, like I looked at the lineup ahead of time,
Speaker 1: like Greer Barnes, no one knows who Greer Barnes Isn't
Speaker 1: I don't mean to say that disrespectfully, but he's not
Speaker 1: like a huge tour in comic but he's a killer.
Speaker 1: He's so funny. He is just like a New York
Speaker 1: pro and he murders the room. Like everyone who gets
Speaker 1: up at the cellar that's a paid regular. They're like
Speaker 1: they are absolute killers. They kill in New York. They
Speaker 1: can tour. Uh maybe they're an opening act, maybe they're
Speaker 1: a middle act, but like they absolutely can make money
Speaker 1: on the road. They'll work on like The Tonight Show
Speaker 1: or Seth Meyers or Colebert. Like it's just such a
Speaker 1: cool scene that that's just as a thing you can't
Speaker 1: get in Chicago because all those comedians come to Chicago,
Speaker 1: but they come on their tour, So I can't see
Speaker 1: Louis c k drop in on a Tuesday in Chicago.
Speaker 1: It just it's just not something that can happen two
Speaker 1: places la New York, only two places where that can
Speaker 1: happen in that scene. And so I just I mean,
Speaker 1: Stevie Wonder did like a pop up show at Madison
Speaker 1: Square Garden last week. It was like an unannounced show
Speaker 1: at Madison Square Garden. I didn't go. I didn't know
Speaker 1: about it. I'm not cool enough to know about it.
Speaker 1: But I was like, wait, what like an unadvertised show
Speaker 1: from Stevie Wonder at the garden? Like how does and
Speaker 1: it doesn't even go? How did she sell tickets? Who
Speaker 1: knew about it? So I don't. I'm still trying to
Speaker 1: figure out my way into the New York scene. But
Speaker 1: it's it's a pretty amazing place. I'll never say it's
Speaker 1: better than Chicago because cost of living, my home, my
Speaker 1: people Midwest like it's I'm just I'll never be able
Speaker 1: to get over that bias. But it's a pretty amazing place.
Speaker 1: It really is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I it's you know, the late Larry King used
Speaker 2: to have a line about how New Yorkers are smart,
Speaker 2: they're savvy. He used to have a line, but he
Speaker 2: said a homeless guy in New York could own a
Speaker 2: grocery chain in Iowa.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's also the thing about New Yorkers, where
Speaker 1: there's this arrogance of like I went to Yankees Royals
Speaker 1: the Division series with Nick and his family. There was
Speaker 1: a shocking number of people who were wearing jackets on
Speaker 1: the back there's like a Yankees emblem on the chest
Speaker 1: and the slogan on the back was like New York
Speaker 1: or nowhere, Like there really are like like like one
Speaker 1: out of fifteen people, like we're wearing this jacket that
Speaker 1: is like it's so small. Like they absolutely believe that
Speaker 1: if you're like, no, Chicago's about as good as New York,
Speaker 1: Like when you factor everything, they're like, no, that's ridiculous,
Speaker 1: Like like they absolutely think like Paris, London, Chicago, you know,
Speaker 1: Florence kind of Florrence. Get the hell out of here
Speaker 1: with your Florence Italy. Like like there's like a smugness
Speaker 1: to the New York superiority that I actually respect because
Speaker 1: they're just so convinced that there's nowhere else in the
Speaker 1: world that even comes close to comparing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, I know some New Yorkers who
Speaker 2: have never been west of the Hudson, and that's okay.
Speaker 1: Exactly they and you would say, like, maybe you should
Speaker 1: check it out. The Grand Canyon's beautiful, and they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: we got holds in our concrete here. What do I
Speaker 1: need to see that hole for? Like, it's just crazy,
Speaker 1: but it's I do. I do respect it like it's
Speaker 1: at They're like, oh the subway, yeah, it smells like
Speaker 1: urine and there's rats and you'll see a naked person
Speaker 1: on it every three trips. But how else would you
Speaker 1: prefer to get around? I'm like, I don't know any
Speaker 1: other way, but it's New York.
Speaker 2: Danny Parkins, as always, Buddy, great stuff.
Speaker 1: Loved it anytime, Buddy, let's do it the volume.
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