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Speaker 2: Danny parkins breakfast Ball and FS one lot to talk about.

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Speaker 2: So two things about an hour here, Two things that

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Speaker 2: you're you're engaged in but we haven't talked a lot

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Speaker 2: about But you're big into gambling and you like politics.

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Speaker 2: So I got into this discussion of the air death, thought

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Speaker 2: this was fascinating. I'm not going to predict who's going

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Speaker 2: to win the election, but I found this fascinating. So

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Speaker 2: there's something called the poly market, which is a you know,

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Speaker 2: a gambling market for the election, and it leans heavy right.

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Speaker 2: So tell me if I'm right on this. I said

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Speaker 2: to a person yesterday. I said, I'd be very careful

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Speaker 2: about reading too much into this market, and I want

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Speaker 2: your I want you to analyze it if you're if

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Speaker 2: you're my broker, I said, First of all, seventy two

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Speaker 2: percent of bets in America are placed by men. Men

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Speaker 2: bet more than women. Big bets is close to eighty

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Speaker 2: five percent. We've all known a guy who's made a

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Speaker 2: ten thousand dollar bet. I've never once had my wife say,

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Speaker 2: my friend Beth just placed twenty five thousand dollars on

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Speaker 2: the ranger to beat the caps tonight. So men are betters,

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Speaker 2: men are big betters. So the market is influenced by

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Speaker 2: that demographic. We know there's a referendum in this election

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Speaker 2: that we've never seen before in my lifetime. It's men

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Speaker 2: versus women. I mean, that's literally what the election is

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Speaker 2: to a large degree. So I told somebody that market

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Speaker 2: is going to favor the male candidate. Do not trust

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Speaker 2: trust the Mayorst poll. Try whatever the polls are. There's

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Speaker 2: a handful. So that was my take is that markets,

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Speaker 2: when it becomes a man versus woman bet a market

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Speaker 2: will overwhelmingly favor a man because men bet more than

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Speaker 2: women and bet large amounts on women. Now, as somebody

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Speaker 2: that knows much more about betting than I do, does

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Speaker 2: that make any sense?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think it makes some sense. But this is

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Speaker 1: markets are supposed to be impartial, like the old adage

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Speaker 1: of like Vegas wants to get fifty percent of action

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Speaker 1: vig is not really true, Like Vegas is happy to

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Speaker 1: take a position on a game yes, and be fine

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Speaker 1: with eighty percent of the money being on one side

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Speaker 1: if they have conviction that the public is wrong. Like

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Speaker 1: there's this notion that like Vegas sets the line. It's

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Speaker 1: not true sharp gamblers set the line. Vegas will open

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Speaker 1: then that's where the line gets so sharp. So like

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Speaker 1: into the sharpest market possible. Like I try to place

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Speaker 2: I'll give you an example. Monday in the herd, I said,

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Speaker 2: seven before the DeVante trade, I said, offensive coach off

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Speaker 1: Correct. Correct my friends. And on the picks that I'm

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Speaker 1: But I say all of that to say, like, the

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Speaker 1: at offshore markets of the presidential election, and I've talked

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Speaker 1: to enough people that know this, Like, if we were

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Speaker 1: allowed to bet legally on the presidential election, it would

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Speaker 1: be a bigger gambling event than the super Bowl. It

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Speaker 1: So I do think generally speaking, the gambling markets for

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Speaker 1: I just didn't believe it. I just didn't believe it.

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Speaker 1: And I kept firing on Hillary Clinton night of the election,

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Speaker 1: and my buddy like, he like text me, He's like, dude,

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Speaker 1: you've got to stop. Like the markets have spoken. I

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Speaker 1: markets have spoken. And it was a great lesson that

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Speaker 1: none of the polls and none of the pundits saw coming.

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Speaker 1: So I think your theory holds some water because the

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Speaker 1: So I don't believe that it's like terribly influenced by

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Speaker 1: polls pretty much reflect that. Yeah, the gambling markets absolutely

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Speaker 1: this this is a coin flip election. So you know, I.

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Speaker 2: Said it today, I think, And I had a music

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Speaker 2: I made. He liked this comment. I think two things

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Speaker 2: you see within five to six games of a new

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Speaker 2: always use the example of the voice or of American

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Speaker 2: music other than I enjoy it. But I can see

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Speaker 2: within three to four notes, you know, I mean literally

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Speaker 2: You can see a draft pick in the NBA, You're like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: right back at Sean Payton. Not a follower, total leader, confrontational,

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Speaker 2: and I feel very now now Bo has the less talent.

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Speaker 1: So I want to ask you two quick questions before

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Speaker 1: I give you my full response to it. One, I

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Speaker 1: the NBA. I don't think the NBA comparison is fair

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Speaker 1: And then I guess the quick question I'd give back

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I said during RG three's rookie year, I

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Speaker 2: kid went to Stanford, he memorized a playbook. According to

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Speaker 1: Crazy but I mean, but RG three was Rookie of

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Speaker 2: me on Jayden Daniels. And this almost never happens, almost

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Speaker 2: coaching staff says, hey, be patient, this is a process, right. Literally,

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Speaker 2: Brian Kelly's like the kid's magic. Brian Kelly runs through

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Speaker 2: So people, it's remarkable to me that the Cowboys and

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Speaker 2: That's pretty obvious if you don't follow too much analytics

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Speaker 1: It's funny. It's I get why teams do it even

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Speaker 2: in your life. This is a paid advertisement. There are

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Speaker 2: certain things that the media does. They don't irritate me,

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00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 2: but they're so predictable. One of them is early in

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Speaker 2: the season when there are injuries. People are like, I

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Speaker 2: don't think I've ever seen this many NFL injuries. Yes,

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Speaker 2: you have twelve months earlier, and in the end, almost

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Speaker 2: without exception, you get to a Super Bowl and each

447
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Speaker 2: team is missing like one starter, and teams are overwhelmingly healthy.

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Speaker 2: Players get healthier. Players are they hit less in practice,

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Speaker 2: they hit less in games. Doctors are better, fitness, fitness

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Speaker 2: is better. They're fine. So here's the other one that

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Speaker 2: just cracks me up. After a great weekend in college football, man,

452
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Speaker 2: college football is so much better than the NFL. No,

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Speaker 2: they're both great, and they're different. The NFL is a

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Speaker 2: higher level of coaching and playing. You get guaranteed, like

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Speaker 2: five to seven great games a weekend, even though there's

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Speaker 2: only thirty two teams. In college football, you have one

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Speaker 2: hundred and thirty teams, and you may get four great

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Speaker 2: games and a great weekend. I mean, like last weekend

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Speaker 2: was great, and we all knew it was great. But

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Speaker 2: you'll have weekends going into a college football weekend where

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Speaker 2: like there's like one game between ranked teams and you

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Speaker 2: can get a nice Kansas State TCU game, But I

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Speaker 2: went out with my wife, I'm not watching it. So

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Speaker 2: here's how I look at the NFL in college The

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Speaker 2: NFL is a successful brother in the family. He always

466
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Speaker 2: has a nice car, he's got a nice fund with

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Speaker 2: his broker. A little boring at times and predictable, but

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Speaker 2: you kind of know what you get. College football is

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Speaker 2: the brother and the family that twice a year you

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Speaker 2: have a big part of You invite him over and

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Speaker 2: he'll take all his clothes off, go naked, jump into

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Speaker 2: a pool, kind of drunk. People laugh, but it's kind

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Speaker 2: of inappropriate. You're not happy with him, but you do

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Speaker 2: wake up the next morning and say, you know, he

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Speaker 2: really gets the most out of life. We have a

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Speaker 2: nicer our kids go to better schools, we have a

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Speaker 2: nicer life. But you know, Tim, he really has a

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Speaker 2: good time in life. And that's how I feel. College

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Speaker 2: football is at its best. It's wild, fans are pouring

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Speaker 2: on the field. The officiating can be abjectly horrid.

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Speaker 1: These are twenty words soccer players who may or may

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Speaker 1: not know what they're doing.

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Speaker 2: Special teams are a s show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but like.

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Speaker 2: Tim who got naked and jumped to into a pool,

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Speaker 2: there is something memorable and ecstatic about it. And I

487
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Speaker 2: thought Oregon Oregon Ohio State was that it's like Jesus.

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Speaker 2: But my point being, if I circle back, is they're

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Speaker 2: both great. They're much more unique. One's corporate, one's on

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Speaker 2: a campus, and I think that's the beauty of them.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's funny, though, I mean, some of your finest work, Colin,

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Speaker 1: what are your finest analogies. We gotta work on Tim's name.

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Speaker 1: I feel like Tim's name should be like like Madison

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Speaker 1: or like Bucky or you've seen like like a college Yeah, exactly,

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00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: so we get we gotta work on Tim's name, but

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Speaker 1: otherwise nine point eight out of ten on the Colin

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Speaker 1: Analogy scale. And I was just judging myself because I

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Speaker 1: like the NFL so much more than college. And I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm the boring, corporate, suburban guy with like the healthy stockportfolio.

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00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: Yeah I know, dude, I'm washed up, Like I got

501
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Speaker 1: a wife and two kids and I just love like

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Speaker 1: a sushi dinner and a bottle of red and a

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Speaker 1: nice early bedtime. But but yeah, it is. It's it's

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Speaker 1: true college at its best. It's just you're like, this

505
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: is crazy. I don't understand what's happening here. This is random.

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Speaker 1: A team that's a thirty point underdog can win a game,

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Speaker 1: like you know, the NFL. It's like, oh, the biggest

508
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: spread on the board is six and a half, right,

509
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: Like it's parody by design. There's a salary cap, there's

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Speaker 1: a salary floor. Free Agents are just as likely to

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Speaker 1: choose Dallas as they are Buffalo in Green Bay because

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Speaker 1: they just follow the money. Like it's I think the

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Speaker 1: NFL is the perfect viewing product. I think it's perfect.

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Speaker 1: Every game matters. Every team before the season doesn't think

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Speaker 1: they can win a Super Bowl. But like worst a

516
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Speaker 1: first tap in every single year, rookie quarterbacks can change

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Speaker 1: a franchise on a dime. Like basically every franchise has

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Speaker 1: some reason to believe at least within three years, right,

519
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: Like Jacksonville three years ago absolutely thought that it was

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Speaker 1: on the board that they had a future Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame quarterback. So I think the NFL is a perfect

522
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Speaker 1: viewing product, and college is just a little tougher for

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Speaker 1: me to like follow and be fully invested in week

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Speaker 1: in and week out. But college at its best is

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Speaker 1: just awesome. And it's because it means like an irrational

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Speaker 1: amount to the people in the building. Not that pro

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Speaker 1: fans don't fight, and pro fans aren't passionate, they obviously are,

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Speaker 1: but it's just like the tribalism of like this is

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Speaker 1: the most important thing in the entire state of Alabama. Right,

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Speaker 1: I'm a fifth generation Badger, Like there's just something about

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Speaker 1: like the college football pageantry that I'll never be able

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Speaker 1: to quit. What did you think about what Dan Lanning did?

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Speaker 1: Should that penalty putting twelve men on the field intentionally

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Speaker 1: at the end of the game be more than five yards?

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Speaker 1: That probably it feels like a cheat code to.

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Speaker 2: Me, yeah, a little bit. But my account's job is

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Speaker 2: to find holes in the tax system, and we're going

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Speaker 2: to find them every year. I make it very clear

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Speaker 2: to my accountant, my entertainment attorney, we do not cheat,

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Speaker 2: but our job is to assist me in paying the

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Speaker 2: least amount of taxes I can. In California, that's legal,

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Speaker 2: and I think that's really that's what an accountant's job is,

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00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 2: to find holes and crevices. Yeah, no, so yes, I

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Speaker 2: think I look at it like this. There are two rules.

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Speaker 2: There's a certain rule that college has better than pro

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Speaker 2: pass interference. No penalty should be sixty four yards. It's

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Speaker 2: stupid if our feet are tangled and it's a I

548
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: mean that would literally be like imprisonment for jaywalking. Your

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00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: feet get tangled, it's a sixty four yard penalty. It

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00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: shouldn't be. So college has that better overt But conversely,

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00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 2: neither side can figure out overtime, and both sports have

552
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 2: made multiple changes. My theory has always been the road

553
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 2: team gets the ball first, because it's harder to play

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Speaker 2: on the road. You get it first, first, score wins.

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Speaker 2: Nobody likes that I wrote about it in my first book.

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Speaker 2: So the way I look at this is. It is

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Speaker 2: a smart coach and a smart staff manipulating the rules.

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Speaker 2: It's not up to Oregon to play nice. It's up

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Speaker 2: to the NCAA to get their shit together.

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Speaker 1: I completely agree with you. I'm not mad at Dan Lanning.

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Speaker 1: But when your accountant finds a loophole, that then the

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Speaker 1: government finds, oh my god, we're losing a bunch of

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Speaker 1: money on this because there's a loophole, I expect them

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Speaker 1: to close the loophole. Yeah, and so just like it

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Speaker 1: should clearly be a pre snap penalty, like they should.

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Speaker 1: They should not let the time run off the clock, like, hey,

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Speaker 1: there's twelve guys out here. Ball is snapped, like blow

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Speaker 1: the play dead. It's on the defense. So or put

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Speaker 1: the time and back on the clock right, like so

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Speaker 1: instead of it going from ten seconds to five seconds,

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Speaker 1: it just hey, we got to put this pack. We

572
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Speaker 1: know what you're doing. We got to put it back

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Speaker 1: to ten seconds. Like make the rule like less than

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Speaker 1: three minutes left in a game or something. If you

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Speaker 1: do twelve minut on the field on defense, no time

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Speaker 1: can come off the clock. Like it's a pretty easy fix.

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Speaker 1: Or make it a twenty fifteen yard penalty. It's an

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Speaker 1: easy fix, but I was just like, God, damn it.

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Speaker 1: By the way, that's that's smart. But you should be

580
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Speaker 1: penalized more because we did catch you.

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Speaker 2: But can we both agree? The worst rule in sports

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Speaker 2: is the nfls you fumble into the end zone and

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Speaker 2: the other team gets the ball.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I hate that. I hate that rule, but I

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Speaker 1: do think there should be a compromise. It shouldn't be

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Speaker 1: that the other team gets the ball. I like the

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Speaker 1: reverse touchback. Okay, so the first touchback. I mean it

588
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Speaker 1: doesn't exist anywhere, so I understand why you'd be confused.

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Speaker 1: I'm running into the end zone, I'm diving for the

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Speaker 1: pilot on I fumble. If the ball goes out of bounds,

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Speaker 1: I don't think I should get the ball back just

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Speaker 1: because the other team didn't recover back at the one

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Speaker 1: yard line. I do think there should be some penalties

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Speaker 1: for like or like added emphasis on ball security by

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Speaker 1: the end zone. If you fumble and they don't recover

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Speaker 1: and it goes out the end zone, you get the

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Speaker 1: ball back. You don't lose possession, but you've got to

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Speaker 1: go back to the twenty yard balls.

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Speaker 2: Yes, totally agree, totally agree.

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Speaker 1: I call it a reverse touchback. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: there's a better way to call it that. Yeah, like

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Speaker 1: it was second if it was second in goal from

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Speaker 1: the four and you go out of bounce at the

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Speaker 1: one and the ball or the ball and the ball

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Speaker 1: goes out the end zone. Now it's third and goal

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Speaker 1: from the twenty, Like you know what I mean? Like

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00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: you got you should have. You should have a severe

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Speaker 1: penalty for fumbling the ball by the end zone. So

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Speaker 1: it should not be a change of possession unless the

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Speaker 1: defense actually recovers the ball. Defense needs to recover the

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Speaker 1: ball in order for the defense to get the ball.

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Speaker 2: That's rightly. I don't think you should get a possession

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Speaker 2: without recovery.

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Speaker 1: I got another one for you. We're talking rule we're

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Speaker 1: talking rules changes. I did this on the TV show,

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Speaker 1: but they're like, you're talking kicking. You can do it

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Speaker 1: in one minute. So I had to literally do this

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Speaker 1: in one minute. So I'm bringing this to your podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing too many field goal kickers this year. I

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Speaker 1: had the dat after five weeks. I'm going to assume

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Speaker 1: that it's the same after six, So just roll with me.

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Speaker 1: After five weeks, we had seen more fifty yard field

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Speaker 1: goal attempts than any time in league history. And I

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00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: had our research or chart it. It is a straight

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00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: line going up. It's like in Nvidia stock like, it

626
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,240
Speaker 1: is just a straight And it went from seventy six

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Speaker 1: fifty yard plus field goal attempts through five weeks last

628
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Speaker 1: year to ninety seven this year. So it is exponential growth.

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Speaker 1: And my theory is you get five yards extra on

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Speaker 1: these touchbacks because the new kickoff rule, and kickers have

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Speaker 1: gotten really damn good, like Brandon Aubrey is ridiculous, is amazing.

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Speaker 1: But I don't want to watch kickoff touchback two or

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Speaker 1: three first downs field goal. I think that that makes

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00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: you less likely to go forward on fourth down. And

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Speaker 1: field goal attempts are not interesting. They're interesting at the

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Speaker 1: end of the game when something serious is like a

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00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: game winning field goal is a suspenseful play. A forty

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00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: four yard field goal is not interesting because I let

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00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: not only are field goal attempts up, the make percentage

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00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: is up. Seventy six percent of field goals fifty yards

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00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 1: or more are makes now, So to me, the kickers

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Speaker 1: have gotten too good. It's too big of a part

643
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Speaker 1: of the game. Narrow your uprights. Jason Kelsey said on

644
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: his podcast too, I agree with it. Field goals, the

645
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: uprights are eighteen yards wide. In the Arena League it

646
00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: was nine yards wide. Let's narrow the goalposts to bring

647
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: down these numbers. I don't want to see six field

648
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: goal attempts a game. It's four, okay.

649
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: So people years ago, thirty forty years ago suggested because

650
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 2: Kareem in the seventies, Wilt dunking was so easy, we

651
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: should raise we should raise the rims to eleven. And

652
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 2: my take is there are changes in all sports, but

653
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 2: not everything has to be hard. In golf, long putts

654
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: are hard. Driving the fairway for a pro isn't really hard.

655
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 2: That Yes, pats are easier and kicks are easier, but

656
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: that's okay because when you miss one, it's shocking. So

657
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 2: you do get the drama when they do miss one

658
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Speaker 2: out of four. That is, sports aren't just about making

659
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Speaker 2: things difficult. Great for Michael Jordan in a zone, the

660
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 2: mid range sixteen footer was just money. Even in the playoffs,

661
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: he was like sixty percent, And that's okay. People pay

662
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 2: to see athletes succeed, not fail. So I like my kick.

663
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Speaker 2: I mean, these guys get death threats on college campuses.

664
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Speaker 2: I liked my kickers making most of their kicks because

665
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Speaker 2: if kicking, if kicking was harder and they missed more

666
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Speaker 2: of their kicks, it'd be more bad quarterbacks going forward

667
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 2: on fourth down, more good teams getting the ball in

668
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 2: prime field position, and the and margins would grow.

669
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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I mean reasonable counterpoint. I personally would rather

670
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Speaker 1: watch a fourth down attempt than a field goal attempt,

671
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: like i'd rather see Dak Have you ever.

672
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Speaker 2: Watched Zach Wilson play?

673
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Speaker 1: No, we were just talking about how it's gotten easier

674
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: to play quarterback. But I'd rather watch Dak Prescott throw

675
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: the ball to Ceedee Lamb than Brandon Aubrey kick a

676
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: field goal. Your point on everything in sports doesn't have

677
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: to be difficult and maximum difficulty is true, But I mean,

678
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Speaker 1: I don't know, man, there is something to the US

679
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: Open being the most fun golf tournament to watch. Yeah,

680
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: watching the pros struggle. You go to an NBA game

681
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: like they're too good at shooting. I'm sorry. I love

682
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: the NBA. I love it so much. Like I'm going

683
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: to follow Lonzo Ball's preseason debut tonight for the Bulls

684
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: to see how his knee holds up. Like, I love

685
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: the NBA, but they're too damn good at shooting. So

686
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Speaker 1: I'm interested in figuring out a way to make it

687
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Speaker 1: so that the the six ' ten power forward who

688
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: gets fourteen rebounds a game is also not a thirty

689
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: eight percent three point shooter, because then the math says

690
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: that he should shoot threes over go bang down by

691
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: the rim. So I do look for ways to make

692
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: it a little bit more difficult on some of these

693
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Speaker 1: guys because they have gotten so good. They're so good

694
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Speaker 1: at these games.

695
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Speaker 2: It's interesting I was watching. I think I've told you

696
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: this before. Is when I built my show and my business,

697
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: I've always built them on a basic premise. I'll talk

698
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 2: about things that are urgent and stars. So you have

699
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: to have one of those two things. College football, Pro football,

700
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: scarcity of games, urgency, NBA stars, UFC have e Connor

701
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 2: McGregor fights Tiger and his prime stars only one masters

702
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 2: a year. I think it's always been the downside to

703
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 2: baseball where they don't promote their stars and they's zero scarcity.

704
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 2: But I will say where I think the Dodgers are

705
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: really smart, They basically just I think it's really brilliant

706
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: and it doesn't get as much play now a lot

707
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 2: of their stars are hurt. I mean, even though Tahani

708
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 2: can't pitch. Now, they have an entire pitching staff, a

709
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 2: strong top five starting pitching staff on the shelf. The

710
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 2: fact that they're in the NLCS with like five great

711
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: pitchers unavailable is remarkable. But basically what they did they said,

712
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 2: in a changing landscape where baseball is hurting in attendance,

713
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Speaker 2: we're going to buy an all star team and we're

714
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: going to push most of the big salaries down the road.

715
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 2: And baseball is like, wait a minute, your payrolls. Fifth,

716
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 2: you spend a billion dollars in the off season. Second

717
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 2: was the San Francisco Giants at three hundred and thirty

718
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: million dollars. And I do think there is something to

719
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 2: be said in sports socialism works, salary caps or socialism

720
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Speaker 2: baseball basically just go spend a billion dollars and then

721
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 2: you can make it work by pushing down the salaries

722
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 2: and what so the idea is socialism works. But I

723
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Speaker 2: would argue a Yankees Dodgers World Series is validating my belief,

724
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 2: which is big brands win. Baseball never wins. If the

725
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 2: Guardians are in the World Series, or the Tampa Bay

726
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 2: Rays of the Orioles, and so in the end, because

727
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: of the slow pace of baseball in a frenetic, caffeinated world,

728
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 2: that allowing the big markets to just have all star teams.

729
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 2: It's not socialism, it's total capitalism. It's not fair, it's

730
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 2: not remotely even. And it's the only way for baseball

731
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Speaker 2: to grow.

732
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's me listen, maybe gross. It's gross, and it's gross.

733
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Speaker 1: And the our boss's boss, right, like at the top

734
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: of the they're thrilled, like get the Yankees in there,

735
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: and Dodgers are Mets. They'll be fine with either, right,

736
00:42:52,000 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: It's much better business than Rangers dbacs. I do think that, See,

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00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: I don't agree that baseball doesn't market it stars. I

738
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: think that people just don't care like out out like

739
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: they market them. They have commercials, they have endorsement deals.

740
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Speaker 1: It's just that if I watch the Cubs, and I

741
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: care about the Cubs, there is not enough time for

742
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: me to watch the Dodgers. It's impossible. There's one hundred

743
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 1: and sixty two games like and I will always be

744
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: in more interested in Cubs, Cubs, Reds than Yankees. Dodgers.

745
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter to me about Otani and Aaron Judge

746
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: because I care about the Cubs and like, so baseball

747
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: makes a Baseball makes one hundred dollars with fives and singles.

748
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: The NFL makes one hundred dollars with one hundred dollars

749
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: bill and with gold bricks. Like it's just a different way.

750
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: They're both good businesses, they're both growth businesses. So the

751
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,959
Speaker 1: players in baseball will never accept the salary cap. It's

752
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,919
Speaker 1: just like their bedrock principle. But I'm telling you man,

753
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: baseball's economic model. We've talked about this with the with

754
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: the regional sports networks, Like they make their money not

755
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: from the NASH TV deals. Obviously they make some, they

756
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: make time, but they make their money from two things,

757
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: really attendance because there's so much inventory, and local media rights.

758
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: Because again there's so much inventory. The Marquee Sports network

759
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: that airs Cubs games, they get one hundred and fifty

760
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: Cubs games a year. That's a lot of television. That's

761
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: a lot of commercials, that's a lot of advertisements to sell.

762
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: So the RSN model is collapsing.

763
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Speaker 2: Hurting the small market teams much more correct well.

764
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: Correct but like that is going to create a situation

765
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: where players are going to come up for free agency

766
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: and it's like, Okay, the Dodgers, they can't afford them,

767
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: but do they need them? But do they if they

768
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: already have freemen and bats and otan, Like, they're not

769
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: gonna just there's gonna be gone, Like this offseason, Aaron

770
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 1: Orwan Sota will get paid, Corbyn Burns will get paid,

771
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: and I don't think there will be another nine figure

772
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: free agent this offseason. Like the have and have nots

773
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: is going to grow so much and so many teams

774
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: are going to be making relatively nothing from their local

775
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: TV deals. And then that also will hurt attendance because

776
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to feel an exciting competitive team.

777
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 1: You'll be eliminated by May. By the time kids are

778
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: out of school and you want to go to games,

779
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: the team is going to be fifteen games out of

780
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:43,919
Speaker 1: first that you don't have to have socialism, but I'm

781
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: not sure you can have completely unchecked capitalism either. Like

782
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: it will make it will make TV executives happy at

783
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: the end to have the Yankees and the Dodgers in it,

784
00:45:54,480 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: But the health of baseball is June, July August Companion

785
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: Sport barbecues Fourth of July, trying to pack stadiums for

786
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: eighty one home games a year in thirty different cities.

787
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: Why would you go to a game in Pittsburgh in

788
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 1: June if you have no shot? Or I mean, Milwaukee

789
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 1: does a nice job as an organization. Tannas will run

790
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: do a nice job. But it's just I don't know.

791
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: I think that the economic model of baseball is at

792
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 1: a real teetering point that either the players are gonna

793
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: have to break and accept a salary floor and a

794
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: salary cap, or there's going to be need to be

795
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: more drastic like revenue sharing, like the Dodgers should will

796
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,720
Speaker 1: not be able to keep all of their local TV

797
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: rights because I think some of these teams are just

798
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: never going to be able to compete again on the

799
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: money side.

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00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think you're necessarily wrong. So last time

801
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 2: we talked, we talked about your sort of indoctrination into

802
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 2: New York and New York's post Yeah so, and the

803
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 2: city itself. I tend to prefer I'm a London, Chicago

804
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 2: guy more than a New York guy or a Boston guy.

805
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 2: Nothing against him. I like the people of New York.

806
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 2: I like the food and the people. I don't like

807
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 2: the smell and the congestion, but whatever. I don't like

808
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 2: Rome as much as people do. I don't like New

809
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 2: York as much as people do. I love London. In Chicago,

810
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 2: I think it's easier to get around town. Is there

811
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: something in New York for our audience that's surprisingly good?

812
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 2: Something about New York that you said to yourself, Wow,

813
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 2: it's even better than the city I grew up that

814
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: I love Chicago.

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Speaker 1: It's tough for me to give better. Well, I will,

816
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: I'll say, I mean, I'll say this Central Park is

817
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: not overrated. Central Park is amazing, Yes, but it is.

818
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: It is amazing how big it is and how peaceful

819
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: it is because everything If you find green space in

820
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: this concrete jungle, you're like off to a flame. You're like,

821
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: oh my god, green space. But a lot of the

822
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: like little small parks, they're so busy, and so it's

823
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: like can I like you stand up from your chair

824
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: and like someone's like, oh you're are you getting up?

825
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: And like they're coming in to like immediately fill your chair.

826
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: Like it's it's tough to find a quiet moment doors

827
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: in this city. But then you go to the most

828
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: famous one, Central Park, and there could be thousands and

829
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: thousands of people, and there's rickshaws and people drawing caricatures

830
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: of people, and you know, hustle and bustle and Nathan's

831
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: hot dog stands and like there's commerce and everything. You

832
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: can find a patch of green, sit down and have

833
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: a cocktail or listen to a podcast and fall asleep

834
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: in the grass yep, and not be bothered, like it

835
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: is an amazing Like I Chicago has a beautiful lakefront

836
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: and Millennium Park is great, but it's it's not as

837
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: like private like it's it's like you can go into

838
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: places in Central Park and not see buildings.

839
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 2: Yeah that's insane.

840
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: So you just like because then as soon as you

841
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: step a second outside of it, you're like, oh, right,

842
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: I'm in New York, so I think that everyone knows

843
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: about it. So like, oh, Central Park is great, Like

844
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: sweet Danny, thanks for the breaking news. It really is great.

845
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: And then I just want to shout this out your podcast.

846
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: We talked about stand up comedy last time, and two

847
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: different comedians reached out to me on Instagram after hearing

848
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: about it and one of them is Jared Freed, who's

849
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: an awesome comedian New York regular, And I was going

850
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: back and forth on Instagram and he was like, Yeah,

851
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: if you want to ever come to the Cellar, let

852
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: me know. And I went to the Cellar last night,

853
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: just table for one at the Comedy Seller and asked

854
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: a producer on the show for a recommendation for a

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Speaker 1: spot by there. She gave our social media lady Gianna

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Speaker 1: gave me a great spot. Had steak. Freetz went to

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Speaker 1: the Cellar by myself fourteen dollars cover, no big like

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Speaker 1: cheap entertainment. Louis c k dropped in Jesus, the guy

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Speaker 1: sells out arenas he place goes. So there's there's a

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Speaker 1: there's a Tuesday, you know what I mean. It was

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Speaker 1: just there's something too Anything can happen here at any time.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: That is such a cliche about New York. But it's

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Speaker 1: just true, man, it's just true.

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Speaker 2: Well I can remember it very well. Buddy of mine,

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Speaker 2: I was at ESPN. A buddy of mine, Brian from Portland,

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Speaker 2: was in New York and he said, Hey, you want

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Speaker 2: to go to a comedy club tonight? And I went

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Speaker 2: to I think Carolines. I think it was Caroline's, and

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Speaker 2: so I said, yeah, I'll meet you Carolines. And we

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Speaker 2: went and I think we had a steak dinner. Could

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Speaker 2: have been Del Frisco if I recall, I went to Carolines.

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Speaker 2: And one of my favorite I've been saying this for

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Speaker 2: twenty years, one of my favorite people in the world

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Speaker 2: is Colin Quinn. I think he's so funny.

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Speaker 1: I saw him do an Hour at the Cellar three

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Speaker 1: weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: It was amazing, and he was working on an act

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Speaker 2: and in fact, his cousin, who wasn't nearly as funny,

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Speaker 2: opened cool, that's funny. And then Colin went an hour

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Speaker 2: and he was wearing like sweatpants and a pizza stained

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Speaker 2: shirt and he went up there and I remember telling

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Speaker 2: my buddy, and this was like twenty years ago. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: that's the funniest guy in the country that hasn't become

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Speaker 2: Now he's become a megastar now doing stuff on Broadway,

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Speaker 2: but at the time he was doing shows and I

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Speaker 2: we walked out of there and I'm like, that's a

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Speaker 2: like usually a guy gets funny really quick, like John

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Speaker 2: mulaney within a year and a half, You're like, Wow, star,

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Speaker 2: And I remember thinking Colin Quinn is literally brilliant and

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Speaker 2: funny and so likable and relatable, and it just pleases

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Speaker 2: me that he's had all of his success. I mean

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Speaker 2: his Twitter account. He's literally set on Twitter. If you

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Speaker 2: watch it, it's all sarcasm. He plays. He literally plays

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Speaker 2: a character. Hey, gang, have you heard about the super

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Speaker 2: Bowl today? I'm having a private party. Like his whole

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Speaker 2: persona on Twitter. I think is outrageously funny. And I'm

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Speaker 2: so that's just a classic New York straight. I just

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Speaker 2: walk into Carolines with a buddy and we sat there

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Speaker 2: for an hour in our stomach's hurt.

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Speaker 1: It was. It was amazing because so there was I'm

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Speaker 1: sat at a table for five, and I'm a solo

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Speaker 1: and i love going and doing things by myself, so

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Speaker 1: I've have no problem. But it's four, you know, people

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Speaker 1: in their fifties who have never been to the Comedy

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Speaker 1: Cellar before. But they were like pretty decent comedy fans.

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Speaker 1: Like they were like thrown out names that it wasn't

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Speaker 1: just Dave Chappelle and Chris Rock, Like they knew who

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Speaker 1: Sam Morrel was, they knew who David Tell were like

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Speaker 1: they were they at least had like some knowledge of comedy.

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Speaker 1: And I was telling him about the seller and I

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Speaker 1: was like, listen, you're not going to know every name here,

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Speaker 1: but like, like I looked at the lineup ahead of time,

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Speaker 1: like Greer Barnes, no one knows who Greer Barnes Isn't

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Speaker 1: I don't mean to say that disrespectfully, but he's not

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Speaker 1: like a huge tour in comic but he's a killer.

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Speaker 1: He's so funny. He is just like a New York

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Speaker 1: pro and he murders the room. Like everyone who gets

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Speaker 1: up at the cellar that's a paid regular. They're like

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Speaker 1: they are absolute killers. They kill in New York. They

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Speaker 1: can tour. Uh maybe they're an opening act, maybe they're

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Speaker 1: a middle act, but like they absolutely can make money

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Speaker 1: on the road. They'll work on like The Tonight Show

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Speaker 1: or Seth Meyers or Colebert. Like it's just such a

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Speaker 1: cool scene that that's just as a thing you can't

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Speaker 1: get in Chicago because all those comedians come to Chicago,

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Speaker 1: but they come on their tour, So I can't see

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Speaker 1: Louis c k drop in on a Tuesday in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: It just it's just not something that can happen two

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Speaker 1: places la New York, only two places where that can

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Speaker 1: happen in that scene. And so I just I mean,

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Speaker 1: Stevie Wonder did like a pop up show at Madison

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Speaker 1: Square Garden last week. It was like an unannounced show

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Speaker 1: at Madison Square Garden. I didn't go. I didn't know

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Speaker 1: about it. I'm not cool enough to know about it.

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Speaker 1: But I was like, wait, what like an unadvertised show

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Speaker 1: from Stevie Wonder at the garden? Like how does and

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Speaker 1: it doesn't even go? How did she sell tickets? Who

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Speaker 1: knew about it? So I don't. I'm still trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out my way into the New York scene. But

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Speaker 1: it's it's a pretty amazing place. I'll never say it's

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Speaker 1: better than Chicago because cost of living, my home, my

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Speaker 1: people Midwest like it's I'm just I'll never be able

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Speaker 1: to get over that bias. But it's a pretty amazing place.

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Speaker 1: It really is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I it's you know, the late Larry King used

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Speaker 2: to have a line about how New Yorkers are smart,

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Speaker 2: they're savvy. He used to have a line, but he

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Speaker 2: said a homeless guy in New York could own a

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Speaker 2: grocery chain in Iowa.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's also the thing about New Yorkers, where

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Speaker 1: there's this arrogance of like I went to Yankees Royals

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Speaker 1: the Division series with Nick and his family. There was

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Speaker 1: a shocking number of people who were wearing jackets on

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Speaker 1: the back there's like a Yankees emblem on the chest

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Speaker 1: and the slogan on the back was like New York

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Speaker 1: or nowhere, Like there really are like like like one

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Speaker 1: out of fifteen people, like we're wearing this jacket that

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Speaker 1: is like it's so small. Like they absolutely believe that

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Speaker 1: if you're like, no, Chicago's about as good as New York,

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Speaker 1: Like when you factor everything, they're like, no, that's ridiculous,

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Speaker 1: Like like they absolutely think like Paris, London, Chicago, you know,

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Speaker 1: Florence kind of Florrence. Get the hell out of here

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Speaker 1: with your Florence Italy. Like like there's like a smugness

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Speaker 1: to the New York superiority that I actually respect because

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Speaker 1: they're just so convinced that there's nowhere else in the

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Speaker 1: world that even comes close to comparing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, I know some New Yorkers who

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Speaker 2: have never been west of the Hudson, and that's okay.

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Speaker 1: Exactly they and you would say, like, maybe you should

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Speaker 1: check it out. The Grand Canyon's beautiful, and they're like, hey,

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Speaker 1: we got holds in our concrete here. What do I

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Speaker 1: need to see that hole for? Like, it's just crazy,

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Speaker 1: but it's I do. I do respect it like it's

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Speaker 1: at They're like, oh the subway, yeah, it smells like

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Speaker 1: urine and there's rats and you'll see a naked person

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Speaker 1: on it every three trips. But how else would you

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Speaker 1: prefer to get around? I'm like, I don't know any

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Speaker 1: other way, but it's New York.

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Speaker 2: Danny Parkins, as always, Buddy, great stuff.

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Speaker 1: Loved it anytime, Buddy, let's do it the volume.

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