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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to do something that highlighted our.

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Speaker 2: Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are

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Speaker 2: a sibling raivalie.

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Speaker 1: No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth, vely,

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Speaker 1: that's good, Oliver. I know how bad you want to

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Speaker 1: sing the song right now, and we need to talk

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Speaker 1: about first. You can't. I can't. We're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: bleep the whole thing because apparently this is like a

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Speaker 1: thing and I don't really understand it.

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Speaker 2: This makes no sense. Our producers have cut us off

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Speaker 2: from singing songs that are not originals.

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Speaker 1: But can't we sing a song and change the lyrics?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, if I'm like that, man's.

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Speaker 1: Got a lot idiot? Wait? But does now? Now?

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Speaker 2: Am I gonna is leanne? Ryan's gonna assume me?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think I what my theory

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Speaker 1: is or my thing. I should know this. I don't.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna call.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say no. I think it's because you have

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Speaker 1: to license music. If we take any advertise advertising dollars,

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Speaker 1: then then any music that we use we need to

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Speaker 1: license to pay because first thing, you need to pay.

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Speaker 1: But that's the thing. You I can sing any song

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Speaker 1: I want. I can sing any song I want. I

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Speaker 1: can cover any song I want. I just have to

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Speaker 1: pay the artist. You can cover, you can, I know,

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Speaker 1: I pay them everything and I get I get the performance.

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Speaker 2: Royal hold on. You can cover any song you want live,

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Speaker 2: even though there's a door charge. You're not going to

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Speaker 2: get ripped up for that.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: So, as long as it's put down on wax, Oh

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Speaker 2: damn it. As long as it's put down on wax.

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Speaker 2: You know what that means. No, you don't know what

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Speaker 2: that means.

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Speaker 1: What does that mean right now? Oh? Oh oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I like you meant, oh yeah, we're putting it down

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Speaker 1: on waxy. Yeah okay, yeah, I know. I know you're

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Speaker 1: talking about if you put it down on what I'm

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Speaker 1: putting my ship down wax.

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Speaker 2: Okay, if you put it down on wax, maybe then.

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Speaker 1: We're going to figure this out and you know what,

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Speaker 1: we'll get to the bottom of it. Let's talk about this.

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Speaker 1: Leanne Rhymes. Yes, she is an only child. We haven't

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Speaker 1: really interviewed that many only children. One, she said, a

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Speaker 1: really fascinating early life. She's basically a child star. And

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Speaker 1: I'm ink to know what that's like doing alone without

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Speaker 1: any siblings, because we've talked about this before with a

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Speaker 1: number of different celebrities who were famous young and they

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Speaker 1: were always like a sibling that was there, had to

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Speaker 1: be dragged along. But she's like going out there alone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Also just her upbringing and how that might have

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Speaker 2: affected her path being only child. Yeah, all right, well

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Speaker 2: let's bring I'm a serenade her as she comes in,

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Speaker 2: and you can't believe it, like under like a background.

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Speaker 1: Nice. Hi, my brother wants so badly to sing to you.

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Speaker 3: I have seen you sing this song.

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Speaker 1: You have it? Oh my god, you're already saying it.

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Speaker 1: Le Anne. Hi, welcome to our podcast.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: We were just saying that we've we really don't have

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Speaker 1: that many only children we've had. We've we've interviewed.

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Speaker 2: I think one, honestly, one.

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Speaker 1: One only child.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 1: I find only children very fascinating because I have so

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Speaker 1: many siblings and yeah.

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Speaker 4: And I find that fascinating because I am an only child.

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Speaker 4: My husband's an only child too, oh wow, which usually

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Speaker 4: doesn't I don't know if that usually works, but he

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Speaker 4: had he has two boys, so I have two step

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Speaker 4: sons yea, and they were two and six when they

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Speaker 3: In my life.

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Speaker 4: So maybe because he had kids already, like the only

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Speaker 4: child syndrome kind of get knocked out of you with children, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, did you work? Did you want siblings growing up?

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Speaker 2: Was that something you yearned for or was it just

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Speaker 4: It took my mom tried to have kids for like

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Speaker 4: twelve years and she was told she couldn't have children,

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Speaker 1: I was it.

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Speaker 4: And I I think because I always I was performing

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Speaker 3: It was always entertaining me.

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Speaker 4: Like, I never really thought about having a sibling, and

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Speaker 4: I think if I did, like my life would have

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Speaker 4: taken a completely different turn. But I do have my

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Speaker 4: mom was best friends. Had a best friend from high

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Speaker 4: school named Sharon, and her two girls are they're four

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Speaker 4: years and eight years older than me, and they were

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Speaker 4: there when I was born and they basically are sisters

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Speaker 4: of both worlds, which is wonderful.

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Speaker 3: So great, Yeah, they are like my siblings.

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Speaker 1: Where did you grow up?

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Speaker 4: I grew up in Well, I was born in Mississippi,

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Speaker 4: but then I grew up in Texas from the time

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Speaker 2: When did that start? Thirteen?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I signed my record deal at eleven, and then

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Speaker 1: Was on the road, like my daughter, How old are

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Speaker 3: I'm forty one?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, because I remember you were so young. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And it was such a huge hit. I mean it

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Speaker 3: It was like zero to sixty?

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Speaker 2: And was the one that was the one I'm singing?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was Blue, was my first Blue?

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Speaker 4: And then it was then I don't even I don't

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Speaker 4: even remember nothing, how Do I Live? And they came

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Speaker 2: How old were you in your road? How do I Live?

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Speaker 3: I didn't write that, actually, Diane warned it got.

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Speaker 2: It when you performed Diane, Please come on, Diane. How

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Speaker 3: I was fourteen?

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Speaker 2: How Do I Live Without You? Interesting? Was there any

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Speaker 2: sort of you know, talk like, well, I mean you're

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Speaker 2: a relationship like how do I Live without You?

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Speaker 3: Yes? I mean, I guess that could have been.

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Speaker 4: I think that song is so universe that it can

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Speaker 4: be like I could have been singing.

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Speaker 1: As parents, yeah you dog, or it could be my dog.

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Speaker 4: It's interesting because I never like music was Music was

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Speaker 3: From the time I was really young.

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Speaker 4: I don't know where that came from, but my dad

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Speaker 4: used to sit me down and explain songs to me,

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Speaker 4: very vivid imagination. I mean, it's like acting like it's

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Speaker 4: as I got older, living having actual life experience, like

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Speaker 4: it really does. I thought people used to People used

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Speaker 4: to say that to me, like when you get older,

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, lean takus to like, when you were really little,

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Speaker 1: so so your parents couldn't have kids, were you like

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Speaker 3: I was like my mom's miracle child.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, And are your parents still together?

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Speaker 3: No, they got divorced when I was fourteen.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Oh, that's interesting. Okay, we'll get to that. We'll

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Speaker 1: get okay. So you're a little girl, and when you

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Speaker 1: know you're growing up in Mississippi, when did you start singing?

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Speaker 3: I was.

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Speaker 4: My dad has tapes of me singing at eighteen months old.

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Speaker 4: What and like I was, it's so wild. I was

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Speaker 4: on pitch and I was When I sang, you could

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Speaker 4: I was like mumbling. So I kind of learned how

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Speaker 2: I think, Wow, how's your vibrato? At eighteen months old?

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Speaker 3: It was fantastic. It was the best. It's never been better,

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Speaker 1: You know. My son bing has the same thing at

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Speaker 1: like but at like nine months old, not even maybe

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Speaker 1: starlight and he would go no no, no, no, no

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Speaker 1: no no, uh Matt song And we were like what

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Speaker 1: it was? It was? That's so nuts.

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Speaker 3: It's weird.

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Speaker 4: It's like to come in with you from like another

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Speaker 4: yes what I mean, like another lifetime.

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Speaker 1: It has to I say music, that's exactly. Did you

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Speaker 1: ever read Frankie Presto and the Magic Strings? No, I

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Speaker 1: And that's kind of how I see music. It's like

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Speaker 1: it's like something that's born into you.

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Speaker 2: Accounting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, numbers, for sure, for sure, for sure, it's like

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Speaker 1: a beautiful mind.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think there's all kinds of different things, and music

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Speaker 1: is just the most incredible companion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: True.

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Speaker 1: So you're how little you can sing an eighteen months old?

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Speaker 1: When was it really your parents who drove you into

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Speaker 3: No, and my dad had a love for music.

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Speaker 4: My mom and dad both played a lot of music

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Speaker 4: in our household, and like, my mom was really into

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Speaker 4: and then my godmother was way into like Broadway show

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Speaker 4: I danced from the time I was like two, and

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Speaker 4: my my dance teacher heard me sing one day and

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Speaker 4: I told my mom, She's like, you should put her

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Speaker 4: in song and dance competitions, and I that was where

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Speaker 4: I first started, at like five, So I tap dance

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Speaker 1: Like yeah, he did that become your mom's like was

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: My, no, I you know, they my parents were really

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Speaker 3: And it's weird to say.

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Speaker 4: It's crazy, like I got my record do when I

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Speaker 4: was eleven, but I'd been on stations I was five.

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Speaker 4: So by the time I was eleven, I kind of

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Speaker 4: but it's like I've been working towards it and it

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Speaker 4: just kind of, Yeah, everything happened so fast for me.

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Speaker 4: I mean, but at that age, like to be on

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Speaker 2: Of did you ever feel like you missed out? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: For me, that's such a beautiful thing to have.

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Speaker 3: I was on Star?

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's right, Star Star? Yeah, yes, Oh that's so fun.

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Speaker 1: And of course, okay, so you're now was your mom

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Speaker 4: They both were with me for a while and they

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Speaker 4: It was a nightmare, Like I have, parents should be parents.

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Speaker 3: That's all about it.

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Speaker 4: My experience is like when you start when money starts

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Speaker 1: Yeah, unless you're christ Jenner, then you want then you

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Speaker 3: Because she's a yeah.

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Speaker 4: But no, I feel like it just was not It

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Speaker 2: Jesus, I was about to I was about to ask like,

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: She actually she's only four years older than me.

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Speaker 4: I was fifteen at the time, she was nineteen. She

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that sounds like fun. It was the best.

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Speaker 3: Super excited about. Yeah, for like three and a half years.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to go back anywhere.

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Speaker 1: No, I do, because I want to know. I want

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Speaker 4: I signed with Curb Records at the time, so that's

448
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 4: also I went into At the same time I went

449
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 4: to a lawsuit with my dad, I was also in

450
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 4: a lawsuit with my record label. Okay, yeah, because I

451
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 4: have what's known as the worst still in music history.

452
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 4: I was like in the deal till I was like

453
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 4: thirty two years old. So I thought that and ended

454
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 4: up re signing with them. Because it was kind of

455
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,919
Speaker 4: the only way I could get out of it and

456
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 4: make music again into a normal contract. And then I

457
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 4: ended up I think I was twenty and when I

458
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 4: ended up like parting ways with.

459
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 2: Them, Holy shit, that's crazy. I didn't know that. And

460
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 2: was your dad the one who made that deal?

461
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's the thing.

462
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 4: Like, you know, I had an entertainment lawyer at the

463
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 4: time who was also my co manager. It was all

464
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 4: very ancestual and so you know, my dad, my mom. Look,

465
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 4: I have no animosity against my parents, Like they did

466
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 4: the best that they could with what they knew, which

467
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 4: wasn't a lot, you know. And it's when you're coming

468
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 4: from no money and we lived in this little apartment

469
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 4: in Texas and it's like everything's kind of being laid

470
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 4: out there in front of you.

471
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 3: That's your your daughter's dream.

472
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 1: You know, do you do?

473
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 3: You go for it? And so it's taken me a

474
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 3: long time to get to this place.

475
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 4: But I you know, I really like, I just I

476
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 4: know my parents did the best they could they knew.

477
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 1: So music is complicated, like even just understanding who gets

478
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: what and publishing versus the well, there's just there's so

479
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 1: many different there's so many different avenues to make money,

480
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: and when you're signing a deal, I'm not so sure

481
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: that people who are young or who know they probably

482
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 1: nowadays it's a little bit different because so many people

483
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: have been outspoken about it, But I'm not so sure

484
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: that people really understand what goes into it and what

485
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: they're really signing because it's you know.

486
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 4: And especially now these days, like there's three sixty deals,

487
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 4: so people are taking part of you know, they want

488
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 4: to take part of your touring, they want to marge

489
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 4: and it's like a whole.

490
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 3: They want to take you basically like your first born.

491
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 4: So it's it's way different than back in the day

492
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 4: when it was just about records.

493
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's and and like you said, you

494
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: know your parents at the time, I mean they probably

495
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: had no I mean they could only they only knew

496
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: what they knew exactly.

497
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 2: Well, you're the one who had to do the reconciling.

498
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 2: Did you have these feelings of forgiveness and compassion and

499
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 2: basically say, you know what you did the best that

500
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 2: you could. Fucking love you guys, let's bring it in.

501
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

502
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: This was after she sued her father. It was I mean,

503
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: it's so crazy.

504
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:15,479
Speaker 4: So my first my first marriage, my dad actually ended up.

505
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 4: We had our first we had bothered daughter dance, Like

506
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 4: we reconciled about a week before, so it was like

507
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 4: he was there and it was really awkward. And it's

508
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 4: taken a long time to get to a place where

509
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 4: we can like really talk to each other. But yes,

510
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 4: it's been a lot of therapy and work on my

511
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 4: part to work on myself so.

512
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 3: That no matter where they are with their own stuff

513
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 3: around it, I feel I feel at peace with where

514
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 3: I'm at, you know, so, and it's taken a long time.

515
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 4: I mean, when it's you know, when you're an only

516
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 4: child and it's your poor family, like that really kind

517
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 4: of you end up like the big bomb just comes

518
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 4: in the middle of you and just like you know,

519
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 4: obliterates everything. I mean, the trauma from that that I

520
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 4: obviously didn't know back in back when I was younger,

521
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 4: but as I got older, I was like, oh, there's.

522
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: A lot, there's a lot dumb.

523
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 2: Isn't it crazy though? Isn't it so crazy? How? But

524
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: it's also in the moment, you're not understanding what that

525
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 2: trauma is because we have no life experience and as

526
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 2: you get into relationships and as you sort of discover

527
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 2: who you are, is when you realize how fucking fucked

528
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 2: up you are in the trauma, how it's come to life.

529
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And when you're in relationships, you see the trauma

530
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 4: come right out in the forefront, and you're like, oh,

531
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 4: in order to keep these relationships or in order to

532
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 4: build these friendships that I want to build, I'm going

533
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 4: to have to deal with my shit.

534
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 2: Do you like the work? Do you like the self reflection?

535
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 2: I do so difficult.

536
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 3: I do enjoy it.

537
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 4: I mean definitely, it's been definitely difficult at times, but

538
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 4: I do.

539
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 3: Enjoy it.

540
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 4: And when you start to get that momentum after you

541
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 4: think some things have started to shift, you're like, this

542
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 4: is good, Like what else can I dig it?

543
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 2: Yeah?

544
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, the break go.

545
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 2: No, It's it's so funny because I've been through all

546
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 2: my wellness shit and I've talked about on this podcast

547
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: a thousand times. But you do get in the zone,

548
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 2: the zone of sort of getting better. But then you

549
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 2: get a little bit better, and then the upkeep is

550
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 2: hard for me, meaning I'll do my meditations, I'll write

551
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 2: in my journal because I feel like shit and I've

552
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: got to deal with my anxiety or whatever. And the

553
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 2: minute I'm like, I feel pretty good, and then I

554
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 2: stop meditating and I stop writing in my journal. And

555
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 2: it's the easiest and the hardest thing to do ten

556
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 2: minutes of the day to sit down and just be

557
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 2: with myself. But I reject it and reject it and

558
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: come up with excuses not to. Oh, it's so easy

559
00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 2: to do it.

560
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 4: But the human condition, right, And I think the more

561
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 4: we can accept that, it becomes like, the more we

562
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 4: can because I'm such a perfectionist, or I say I'm

563
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 4: recovering perfectionists, because I would be one of those people

564
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 4: that it's like.

565
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 3: If you're if you take therapy and you take all.

566
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 4: Of these these tools, and ultimately, because you're not doing them,

567
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 4: you're beating yourself up.

568
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 3: I mean, you're kind of defeating the purpose.

569
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 4: And so it's like, the more we can, the more

570
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 4: we can, yes keep ourselves, you know, on on the

571
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 4: right path, but also give ourselves some grace when we

572
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 4: feel a bit like that's the key.

573
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: Oliver is given himself too much grace.

574
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, every night.

575
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: The perfectionist is not the word to describe, okay, A,

576
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: it's more discipline.

577
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: No. But but here's the thing. It's true. I am

578
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: not a perfectionist.

579
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: Wait is that mine?

580
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 4: No?

581
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: Are you sure? Because I have the pants, I.

582
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 2: Have the whole outfit. Okay, yeah, it's it's LaRue or whatever. Okay,

583
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: just relax. You have enough clothes. I need clothes. I

584
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 2: have to buy my clothes. You don't. But so, perfectionism

585
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 2: is funny to bring this up from the outside. It

586
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 2: doesn't look like I'm a perfectionist. But what holds me

587
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 2: back from my creativity and from reaching my potential as

588
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 2: a creative person is fear. Is fear and perfectionism. Because

589
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 2: I will sit down and start to write something and

590
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 2: if it's not fucking perfect, I just stop, rather than

591
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 2: letting my brain go vomiting on a page and then

592
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 2: coming back.

593
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: That's follow through. That's the problem.

594
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: No, I need to be perfect in the beginning instead

595
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 2: of just being like, oh right.

596
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 3: I understand that. Yeah.

597
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 4: I want people to see my process like I was

598
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 4: just I'm recording. I did a chant record in twenty twenty.

599
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 4: I'm recording at my second one right now. And when

600
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,479
Speaker 4: recording chance like we it's very different for me the

601
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 4: process than recording like a regular record because there's a

602
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 4: structure of a song. Normally with a regular record, there's

603
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 4: a first course, first course, and it's all good with chance.

604
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,719
Speaker 4: Like we write, we write a little section and then

605
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 4: we kind of like build out from there. And so

606
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,479
Speaker 4: it's a real process in the studio of like let's vomit,

607
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 4: like you say, let's vomit and see what comes out.

608
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 3: And so I invited some friends in the other day

609
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I don't even know why I did that.

610
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 4: I must love you guys, because I hate people seeing

611
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 4: this process because I feel like it needs to be

612
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 4: like in a pretty box before anybody sees it.

613
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand that.

614
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 4: And I think it was like unconscious of me to

615
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 4: invite people in because I think I'm trying to break

616
00:31:59,000 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 4: that for myself.

617
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good thing to try to break for sure.

618
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: The one thing for me with writing lyrics that was

619
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: the biggest thing for me was having the structure of time.

620
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: When someone said you need to get your lyrics down

621
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: by tuesday. You know, get these done by Tuesday or Wednesday,

622
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: even if they're bad. But we just we just need

623
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: to lay some lay it down and get you know,

624
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: and the best thing for me in that process was

625
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: being okay writing bad lyrics and being like fuck it.

626
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: I decid I'm going to put it down and then

627
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to go sing it and if I hate it,

628
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,959
Speaker 1: I hate it, and I hate it already, but then

629
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hate it and then I'm going to sit

630
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: with it. But at least I have something.

631
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: Sure, you have something to work off of.

632
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: And what I realized was that some of them might changed,

633
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: but so love them actually ended up being what I

634
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: thought was like the perfectionist in me was like, these

635
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: are so shitty. I would say I seeing them, and

636
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: I go, I really like, yeah, you really like.

637
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: So I'm stream of consciousness writing, like a ton of

638
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: stream consciousness writing, and uh, you know, I like to write,

639
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 2: and when I write from my feelings, I'm actually writer.

640
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 2: So I read sometimes I read back my stream of

641
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 2: consciousness writing, which is just pen on paper. I'm sure

642
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 2: you've done it, and I'll read it back and it's

643
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 2: so fucking good. Yeah that's incredible, you know. So I

644
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,719
Speaker 2: mean it does sort of say, it does sort of

645
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: speak to letting go your creativity, just just unleashing it,

646
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 2: and you're bound to find nuggets there, well.

647
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 3: You for sure you are.

648
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 4: I mean like that's kind of with this chat record

649
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 4: where I walk in every day going let's see what

650
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 4: we can and uncover, because it's otherwise when there's too

651
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 4: much structure, then there's I feel like there's so much

652
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 4: you miss because you're trying to fit in this box

653
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 4: that if you don't color outside those lines, like and

654
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 4: see what another picture you can discover. But I think

655
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 4: it takes there. Trust me, I know that fear deeply

656
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 4: as being a good with being a creator, and I

657
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 4: think it's taken me. I think it's taken me enough

658
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 4: times of like getting brave enough to color outside the

659
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 4: lines and discovering something cool to go oh, like it's

660
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 4: like a new neural pathway of like oh, I remember,

661
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 4: it might suck for a moment, but like there's something

662
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 4: out there that I'm going to discovery. So I think

663
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 4: it's doing it enough to start creating that new neural

664
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 4: pathway of like of a new you know, new exploration.

665
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 2: Totally, yeah, totally.

666
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: Can you share with us how you got into what

667
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: the album is called God's Work, the last one you

668
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: just toured, and now explain your religious connection? Are you?

669
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: Are you religious? Are your pual?

670
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 4: I'm I grew up Southern Baptists and had a lot of.

671
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 3: Challenges around the way I was raised. And look, if

672
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 3: organized religion works, are people amazing all for it? I

673
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 3: just find that there's a lot there's a lot of

674
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 3: disc it keeps us disconnected from one another and so on.

675
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 4: When I had a lot of time, like everybody to

676
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 4: sit around and you know, during COVID and question the

677
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 4: big things. One of the biggest questions for myself is,

678
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 4: you know, how do I move out of my own way?

679
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 4: I guess this kind of goes back to what we

680
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 4: were just talking about, how do I move out of

681
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 4: my own way to be more of a conduit for

682
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 4: a more loving as a more loving being and as

683
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 4: a creator?

684
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 3: Like how can I allow things to flow through me.

685
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 4: That are based in love? And so and that really

686
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 4: brought up a lot of a lot of old stuff

687
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 4: around like how I was raised in religion and how

688
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 4: much that keeps us divided. And it's like, you know,

689
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 4: are we if we're trying to create a better world

690
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 4: for each other? Like why are we still why are

691
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 4: we still keeping this division going?

692
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 3: And so it's funny, why.

693
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: Are we fighting over which God.

694
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're all talking about the same thing, right, like

695
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 4: ultimately at the end of the day. So when I

696
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 4: started working on this record, I knew God's Work was

697
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 4: the title because I knew it would be very polarizing,

698
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 4: which I loved because I think people thought they knew

699
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 4: what it was about. Like I remember so many people

700
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 4: when I released it that were like, why did you

701
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 4: release a Christian record?

702
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, you haven't listened to it, Like, it's not.

703
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 4: About that actually, And so I knew it would draw people,

704
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 4: and I knew it would confuse a lot of people,

705
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 4: and I just that's what art is, right, Like I

706
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 4: wanted people to listen to it and take from it

707
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 4: what they what they were going to take from.

708
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 3: It, you know, for themselves.

709
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: And when you do when you're writing the chance your

710
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: chance are is it something that you kind of see

711
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: as a channel like you go.

712
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 4: In, Yeah, absolutely, I'll meditate and usually I'll just start

713
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 4: singing a lot. I look at my chant album is

714
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 4: kind of like Mantra puts musics, right, I mean, we

715
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 4: I write chants all the time because.

716
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 3: I write courses, and courses are pretty much chanced.

717
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 4: So I was like, well, can't I take that and

718
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 4: create more of a chant record and really kind of

719
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 4: put they basically make it a mantra based record. So

720
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 4: I'll sit in my own meditations and start feeling like

721
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 4: what wants to be said? What do I need to hear?

722
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 4: And all of a sudden, I'll just start singing, and

723
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 4: I'll put my phone on and I'll press board, and like,

724
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 4: most of the time, I love it.

725
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 3: Sometimes absolute shit.

726
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 2: And is it just repetition based?

727
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 3: Repetition based? Yea?

728
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: And is is it lyrics or sounds or both?

729
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's cool, really fun. It's been really Yeah, it's been.

730
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: Do you listen to chanting different sort of spiritual chanting

731
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 2: like the Giotto Monks and all that, Yeah.

732
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:26,479
Speaker 3: I do. I do.

733
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 4: But it's interesting because a lot of chanting isn't very musical.

734
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 4: There's some beautiful chanting, but it's not very musical. So

735
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 4: I think it's kind of for me, it was like

736
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 4: taking the best of both worlds of like this whole

737
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 4: you know, the real spiritual chanting, and then kind of

738
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 4: this idea of this kind of like some pop melodies

739
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 4: but not making the chance sound too much like songs,

740
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 4: but keeping the repetition going.

741
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 3: So people can really follow.

742
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 4: Along, and I just want people to you know, it's

743
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 4: hooky enough that when people walk away, you know, when

744
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 4: they then they press stop, they can walk away with

745
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 4: these really beautiful mantras in their head going around and round.

746
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 3: To lift them up. That's really Ultimately.

747
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna rewind.

748
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 2: No, yes, God damn it. I want to ask one thing,

749
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,959
Speaker 2: go ahead, just from going back to the whole fear

750
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 2: I know, we're just going back to the whole fear

751
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: based thing. You know, when you when you take a

752
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 2: departure sort of from who Leanne Rhymes is and however

753
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: that you're being perceived and now you are doing this

754
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 2: taking a chance with these records, are you is there?

755
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 2: We worry that it's not going to take you know

756
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: that that people have put money into this and it's

757
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 2: not going to sell from the business side of things,

758
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: or do you just not participate mentally into that, You're like,

759
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: I'm going to do my art. Fuck it.

760
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 3: There is a bit yes and no.

761
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 4: I mean I'm very aware of like you know, here

762
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 4: I put my own money into it. People have other

763
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 4: people have put their money into it. Like, ultimately, it's

764
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 4: not about that for me, I hope it does, but.

765
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's more for me.

766
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 4: It's always been more about focused on the art, do

767
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 4: what I love, and if people get it, they get it.

768
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 4: And sometimes people get it like two years later. Like

769
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 4: sometimes it's like it just takes a moment to catch

770
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 4: on because people have this idea of you in their

771
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 4: head and it's you know, after they hear you talk

772
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 4: about it for a year or two.

773
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 3: They're like, oh, we really, like we really dig this,

774
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 3: we could get on board.

775
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 4: So sometimes it just takes a moment. But I really,

776
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 4: for me nowadays, it's like I just kind of go

777
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 4: in the direction of what lights me up to create.

778
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the same. I just I just channel the

779
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: Andre three thousand method and like just be like, you

780
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: know what, I'm making an album and it's going to

781
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: be a flute and.

782
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 3: You're doing that, by the way, it's amazing.

783
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: Oh thanks, Yeah, I love it. I've always I've always

784
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: loved writing music, but like.

785
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 2: I just go for whatever's going to pay.

786
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: Me hundred eighty three thousand. Making a flute album is

787
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: one of the great things of all time.

788
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 2: And it's good.

789
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: And everyone's like he's got a coming on. They're like

790
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 1: it's the flute, and you're like, yeah, and it's awesome.

791
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fine, No, it's it's awesome.

792
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 1: And if we wouldn't get sued, i'd play a little bit.

793
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: But Leanne, you your story is different than a lot

794
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: of pop stars stories, which is that you came in

795
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: hot and then after you had your big like young thing,

796
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: it was hard. I mean I kind of want to

797
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 1: get into that a little bit with you, if you'd

798
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: share it, because I think that when we put pressure

799
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: on kids and you have that kind of fame and

800
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: then there's an expectation after that. Also, I want to

801
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: I want to know how that felt for you, and

802
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: then how would kind of look at that and say,

803
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's not how many

804
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: records you're selling anymore, but it is who you are

805
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,439
Speaker 1: as an artist, because no one's on top for us, No,

806
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: no one is.

807
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 4: And it's interesting Madonna, not even Madonna, I mean, everybody's

808
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 4: you know, like she's had moments where like, you know,

809
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 4: she's kind of you just kind of.

810
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: Go off and it's a roller coaster. It is.

811
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 3: It's such a roller coaster. It's interesting.

812
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: Okay, Yes, for Paul McCartney, Yeah, there you go.

813
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, we definitely my age and my story was so

814
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 4: big at such a young age. And my record label

815
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 4: like had acquired all of these records when I signed,

816
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 4: Like I'd started making albums at like eight, and so

817
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 4: they had acquired all of this music beforehand. So not

818
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 4: only did they put out my first album within I

819
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 4: guess a year, I had like three albums out because

820
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 4: of like all this music had beforehand. So it was

821
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 4: it like they were they were making money, they were

822
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 4: they weren't trying to develop an artist, and so you know,

823
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 4: it was it was a very fast like it was

824
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 4: a very fast burned.

825
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 3: I was in people's faces all the time.

826
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 4: And then then I, you know, I started we started

827
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 4: in country music. Then I had these huge crossover hits,

828
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 4: and people country music wanted to disown me, like because

829
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 4: you're not supposed to cross over dip hop artists, as

830
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 4: you know, and I I fought that battle for a

831
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 4: long time. Like there were where nowadays there's not a

832
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 4: lot of you know, there's not a lot of lines

833
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 4: drawn around like genres of music.

834
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 3: They're much more blurred there were back in the day.

835
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 1: And so yes, and you were so young.

836
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, but then people but that I did.

837
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: And that's so I mean, imagine, how imagine what that

838
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: must feel like to be fourteen, fifteen years old and

839
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 1: to have that kind of pressure at you, that kind

840
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 1: of pole polarizing back and forth about you. You're fifteen,

841
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: You're developing your brain, everything's developing. It's like that's hard.

842
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 4: And you want, like people expect you to do the

843
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 4: same thing for the rest of your life when you

844
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 4: start as a fetus, like that's possible. So I think

845
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 4: at I guess my late twenties, I really started developing

846
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 4: my artistry like that was always there, but I really

847
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 4: started writing my music.

848
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 3: And I just like I said earlier, I just like

849
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 3: the music business is insane.

850
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 4: And there's such a game to play, and I don't

851
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 4: I don't want to play the game, Like.

852
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 3: I just I want to make music.

853
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 4: I want to make people feel something like that's what

854
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 4: it's about for me. And I know if I stick

855
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 4: to that at like this rollercoaster that I've been writing forever,

856
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 4: like there will be more ups and I know they'll

857
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 4: be downs, but like the I've been doing this for

858
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 4: thirty years, like I'm one of the few that can

859
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 4: say that that people still listen and still give a shit.

860
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 4: And so I'm lucky, Like I'm lucky that people have

861
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 4: grown into seeing what kind of artists I am and

862
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 4: they support that.

863
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 3: And it's not just about.

864
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 4: Commercial music, because if I could go do that in

865
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 4: a heartbeat, I've done it. I've recorded songs that I

866
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 4: don't sing anymore because I don't like them. They've been hits,

867
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 4: and I'm like, I didn't like it in the first place,

868
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 4: but I did it because I knew it would be

869
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 4: it would be successful, and so that's just soul sucking.

870
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 4: That's really really soul sucking. And so finally one day

871
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 4: in my late twenties, I was like, I can't do

872
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 4: that anymore.

873
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 2: So you have do you ever have like pop hits

874
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 2: running around in your head where you're like, man, I'm

875
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 2: not gonna do that, but that would be huge.

876
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: I think we all want those. I'm not so sure

877
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: you'd be like, no, well maybe someone else. Yeah, No.

878
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 3: I think I think there's a way to have it

879
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 3: all over all.

880
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 4: I think there's a way to have some pop hits

881
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 4: that have some substance.

882
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 3: I would hope, but it's it's rare.

883
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 4: That those breakthrough these days because it doesn't seem like

884
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 4: I don't know, there's a lot of substance anymore.

885
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 3: I feel kind of bad for music in general.

886
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 5: Sometimes, how long have you been with Eddie?

887
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 3: Now we've been married, we'll be married thirteen years in April.

888
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 1: That feels like yesterday. I know that's when, yes, because

889
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: I mean we all remember it, but you know, it

890
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: really does feel like yesterday. That's so crazy. So you're

891
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,439
Speaker 1: raising you're helping raise two boys, And how's that been

892
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: for you? Being an only child? The transition into that,

893
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: you know, was that like discovering I know we hit

894
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: on a little bit, but was it like discovering a

895
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: whole new world?

896
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 3: Yes?

897
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 4: That was especially boys, because they beat the crap out

898
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 4: of each other, like up until like maybe a couple

899
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 4: of years ago, and now they're Mason will be twenty

900
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 4: one soon and Jake's yeah, so yeah, just until a

901
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 4: couple of years ago when Jake got big enough to

902
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 4: actually like kick his brother's ass. And so now they

903
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 4: now have stopped fighting. But yeah, Mason's sixty six, Jake's

904
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 4: like six ' three, and they there are men, they're

905
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 4: like and so when I first was around them, I

906
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 4: would like they would just start fighting in the whole deal,

907
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 4: and I'm like, Eddy.

908
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 3: Is this is this what's supposed to happen? Is normal?

909
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 4: So it was it was such a shocker for me,

910
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 4: but it was so you know, like I've really I

911
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 4: really really enjoyed getting to be around them and to

912
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 4: help raise them.

913
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 2: When do you start to find your voice is like

914
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 2: a step mom.

915
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 4: I was just about to say it took a while

916
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 4: to settle in, like I would say, I would say

917
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 4: it felt like very much an outsider for about three

918
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 4: or four years.

919
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then after that I.

920
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 4: Started to I kind of started to settle into that role.

921
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 4: And it's like you kind of you don't know your place.

922
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 4: You feel like you need to especially when they're younger,

923
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 4: like you really need to show up in your household.

924
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 3: Is like a mother figure.

925
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 4: And then after a while you're kind of like, I'm

926
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 4: just gonna sit back. You guys have a great time

927
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 4: and joy parenting. I'll be over here, you know if

928
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 4: you need help, Like if the boys want to come

929
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 4: to me and ask me a question, I'm here to help.

930
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 4: Like it kind of ended up that way of like

931
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 4: I'm here to love, but like I don't need to

932
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 4: get in anybody's way.

933
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a fine balance instead being a stepparent so

934
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: hard it is, it's a challenging.

935
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of factors.

936
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: There's a lot of fact Yeah, challenging.

937
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right.

938
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: It matters. You know. We we have a great situation

939
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 1: with my ex Matt and riders out of the house,

940
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 1: so he's cooked. But like, but but Being is twelve

941
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: and a really we're basically like we like travel together.

942
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: It's like we vacation together. You know, we are and

943
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 1: and our step mom, i mean Being's step mom and Danny,

944
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: my man and his stepdad. It's like the perfect scenario

945
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: because we're such present parents, me and Matt that everybody

946
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: is involved, like we do our parent teacher conferences together,

947
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,479
Speaker 1: and Being's just got like the.

948
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 2: Best he does pretty good scenarios scenario.

949
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we've gotten to that place where I

950
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 4: mean I've always kind of gone to to all the

951
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,720
Speaker 4: boys school stuff and been involved.

952
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 3: And you know, are their mom, and.

953
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 4: We we have Christmas together and Thanksgiving and that kind

954
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 4: of stuff, and you know it can still be a

955
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 4: little sticky sometimes, but it's just.

956
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:53,720
Speaker 3: Like that's just relation.

957
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's yeah. Well, it's yeah, absolutely, do you do

958
00:49:58,480 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: Are you still in therapy?

959
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 2: I mean are you done?

960
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 3: Oh? No, I mean are we ever done or never done?

961
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 2: I I just haven't been there in a minute, and

962
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, God, I probably should, but his price is

963
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 2: going up.

964
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 4: No, I mean I'll take I'll take breaks, but I

965
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 4: definitely am always doing you know, some some kind of

966
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 4: form of something like a therapy, talk therapy.

967
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 3: I'll do breath.

968
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 4: Work and like things that I feel, you know, kind

969
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 4: of really open me.

970
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 3: Up and keep me connected. So it is never.

971
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 2: Ending, but it is, but it's it's actually.

972
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 4: I've actually calmed down on it like I used to.

973
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 4: I used to try to do everything to try to

974
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 4: make myself better, right, and now I've really kind of

975
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 4: like settled into myself and so there's a lot more being,

976
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 4: you know, being this instead of like constantly an acceptance

977
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 4: of where I'm at now, instead of trying to like

978
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 4: get out of the place that I'm at. And maybe

979
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 4: that's because I've done so much work that I'm now

980
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 4: kind of in this place.

981
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 2: Of Yeah, if you had to pull one thing out

982
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 2: of yourself to heal it more, you know what I mean,

983
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:11,959
Speaker 2: And we're able to put it up on the wall

984
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,919
Speaker 2: and look at it. What would that thing be?

985
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 3: Oh?

986
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 4: Wow, you know, I mean I think everything boils down

987
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 4: for me to abandonment issues. So I think, you know,

988
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 4: to really feel secure, and I think I think I've

989
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 4: gotten I've gotten to a place where I feel so

990
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 4: I feel very secure in myself, knowing that I can

991
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 4: take care of me no matter what, what, what are

992
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,240
Speaker 4: who comes and goes. Yeah, but that took a while

993
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 4: because I was, you know, I was so dependent on

994
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 4: my parents and for everything, not just parenting but then

995
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 4: for business. And so when that broke up, I think

996
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 4: that was such a big, a big trauma.

997
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, the abandonment thing is good, but see abandon I

998
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 2: can relate to that. And if I was to break

999
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 2: mind down, it would be the root would be abandonment,

1000
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 2: but then pulling from that, getting more specific, would be

1001
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 2: sort of lack of self love, self worth, which is

1002
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: which is which is what I would work on probably

1003
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 2: the most. When I did this situation, I went to

1004
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 2: a place called the Hoffmansstitute. Kate shut up. I left

1005
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 2: there as the uh as what I knew I could

1006
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 2: be my potential, my full potential as a human being,

1007
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 2: you know, it's a hunter's a honeymoon phase, and then

1008
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 2: you sort of slip back into the real world and

1009
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 2: shit starts to pile on a little bit. You have

1010
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 2: a tool, more tools in your school box, but you

1011
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 2: leave that fucking place like, oh my god, like, this

1012
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 2: is who I this is my potential now and it

1013
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 2: all stems from that true belief in who you are,

1014
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 2: that true love for who you are against all odds

1015
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 2: and no matter what anyone says or does to you,

1016
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 2: I love who I am, which is not an easy

1017
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 2: place to get to, by the way, it's.

1018
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 3: Not I've done a lot of have you done our

1019
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 3: work at all?

1020
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 4: It's really interesting. I've done to me MDR work over

1021
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 4: the past year. Yes, yes, so I've done that over

1022
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 4: the past year and that's really been helpful. But the

1023
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 4: one thing I've learned in that therapy is my one

1024
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 4: of my deepest beliefs. Maybe you can relate to this

1025
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 4: is I'm bad. And it's really simple and fundamental and

1026
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 4: probably started when I was an infant.

1027
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:31,959
Speaker 3: Of I'm bad.

1028
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 4: And you know, like as kids, we internalize everything because

1029
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 4: we're so dependent on our parents, Like anything that happens

1030
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 4: is is it's my fault. Like, you know, we think

1031
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 4: it's all the world with robs around us. So I

1032
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 4: internalized from very early on is I'm bad, and like

1033
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,879
Speaker 4: what comes out of that, like is just wild how

1034
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 4: it has manifested itself. So I relate because I think

1035
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 4: I really had a lot of self worth issues for

1036
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 4: so long, and I think E. M. D R has

1037
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 4: probably been one of one of the most helpful things

1038
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 4: in in softening.

1039
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 3: I guess those beliefs.

1040
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: That's amazing.

1041
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 2: I've heard a lot about it.

1042
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: Allie sent me this great like real on Instagram.

1043
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 2: It was high music.

1044
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: No, Allie sends me high and I sent sends me

1045
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: like weird music. And sometimes I'm like, wow, that was

1046
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: some good some great ones. And then sometimes I'm like,

1047
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: this is so like old Alie. Like Allie's just old

1048
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: E d M music.

1049
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 2: It's good.

1050
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:44,240
Speaker 1: It's like M meets like R and B weird touching.

1051
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: It's like what he's just way to But now I

1052
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,240
Speaker 1: forgot it was Oh it was this great reel about

1053
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: uh this this gentleman talking about how you speak to

1054
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: your kids that you are you are what becomes their

1055
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 1: inner voice. So and you're yelling at them in the

1056
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,439
Speaker 1: morning or you're telling them before they go to bed

1057
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: and you get get your you know, criticizing them or

1058
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: judging them, that these are the things that are creating

1059
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: that inner voice. And and it was so powerful to

1060
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:33,280
Speaker 1: me because Cowboy and oh that's who that was, okay,

1061
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: and but it was so beautiful. It was really a

1062
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 1: must because and he said, I didn't have that, So

1063
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: I didn't have someone who gave me the opportunity to

1064
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: have an inner voice that was nurturing or safe. I mean,

1065
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: I'm now speaking for him, but calm or you know,

1066
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: warm and and we don't realize how impactful how we

1067
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: each our children, but we do it all the time. Yeah,

1068
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh wait, stop, you know what I mean.

1069
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: It's not nice. It doesn't feel good.

1070
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 2: And you know, when they're being like total assholes, like

1071
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 2: they deserve it some of it, like they need some

1072
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 2: of it. There has to be some tough.

1073
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, you know, how was your tour? Did you

1074
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: enjoy it? I did?

1075
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 3: I always I love touring. I do. I am.

1076
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 4: Actually the end of last year, no, the end of

1077
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 4: twenty twenty two, I was supposed to do a Christmas

1078
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 4: tour and I burst a blood vessel on my vocal

1079
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 4: cord from coughing, which was awful, and I.

1080
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 3: Was on voice rest for like completely for like four weeks.

1081
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,720
Speaker 4: I had to cancel my Christmas tour, and so getting

1082
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 4: back into touring this year was the first like six

1083
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 4: months was like I've been I'd rehabbed it, and it

1084
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 4: was like slowly I was performing, but it was like

1085
00:56:55,520 --> 00:57:00,439
Speaker 4: complete rehab honestly for like six months. And so yeah,

1086
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,280
Speaker 4: it was I loved playing this music. I loved playing

1087
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 4: this record.

1088
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: It's how to perform chant music.

1089
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 3: So we just did I loved this.

1090
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 4: We just did this performance here at this beautiful Presbyterian

1091
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 4: church in August.

1092
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 7: And it was we did we We did it with

1093
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 7: them the candle the candlelight people who like set up

1094
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 7: like three thousand candles in this incredible church.

1095
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 4: And there was piano and percussion and strings and it

1096
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 4: was literally I took people through some meditations and we

1097
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,439
Speaker 4: literally sat and I performed like a bunch of chant

1098
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 4: chant music, and it was It's the first time I've

1099
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 4: ever done that. Talk about doing something different that I'm like,

1100
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 4: this is.

1101
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 3: Either gonna suck, I have no idea what I'm doing.

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00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 4: And it was so incredible that I'm like, I fell

1103
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 4: in love with that kind of performance. Like I literally

1104
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 4: sat there on my little like yoga cushion and just

1105
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 4: sang to everybody and it was so beautiful. So I'm

1106
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 4: going to do more of that when the next chant

1107
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 4: record comes out.

1108
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's exciting.

1109
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 3: Love it.

1110
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 2: All right. I think we're you know what I want

1111
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 2: to go back to and finish to set the book end. Yes,

1112
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 2: you said something in the very beginning that if you

1113
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 2: had a sibling, you think your life might have been different. Yeah,

1114
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 2: how do you think that? Where do you? How do

1115
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 2: you why?

1116
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 8: I feel like I was I needed a lot of

1117
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 8: energy for my parents, Like I feel like my my

1118
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 8: gift and what I you know, my my voice and

1119
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 8: singing like it took up so much time. I I

1120
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 8: think it would I think it would have been hard

1121
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 8: on my sibling.

1122
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 3: To have that kind of energy going toward one child.

1123
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 4: In my mind, it would have taken away a lot

1124
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 4: of a lot of love and nurturing and energy from them.

1125
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 4: So I think I think it would have just been

1126
00:58:58,600 --> 00:58:59,479
Speaker 4: really hard on my parents.

1127
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 3: And I don't know of I don't know if.

1128
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 4: I would have had, you know, the dedication from them completely,

1129
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 4: like the time and energy from them to be able

1130
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 4: to do what I know, how it would have turned out.

1131
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I know. Imagine if it was just me,

1132
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 2: I know.

1133
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 3: Imagine how many siblings, how many siblings.

1134
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 2: Are could have been great, could have been great. We

1135
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 2: have we're blood.

1136
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: If you didn't have siblings, you'd be a nightmare.

1137
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 2: I probably did. We're blood. And then we have a

1138
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 2: half Wyatt and a step Boston. And then we have

1139
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 2: two halfs from Dad, Emily and Zach, who we are

1140
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 2: currently like super connected to now and it's been amazing

1141
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 2: and Case made that all happen, and it's been really

1142
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 2: really fun to get to go to the Hudson side

1143
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 2: of the family, like pretty special. And then we have

1144
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 2: another half brother who's an older gentleman who we just

1145
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 2: found out about five or six years.

1146
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: Ago and longer than that. And then we have a

1147
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: younger and.

1148
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 2: We have a and then we have a younger who's.

1149
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: Younger than my son. Right, she's younger, so his aunt

1150
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: is two years younger.

1151
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 2: Than Yeah, there's a lot of like there's so many

1152
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 2: of you, with a lot of different people.

1153
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: The Italian.

1154
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 2: And then according to Tony, potentially another one.

1155
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: It all tracks and DNA is strong, right, but we're

1156
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: the only blood yeah, blood of like all oh and

1157
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: Zach and Emily and.

1158
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 2: Zach and Emily.

1159
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, very cool.

1160
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 3: I ever need a sibling, I'm just.

1161
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: Just killing one.

1162
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 2: Ranked them. Thank you so much.

1163
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 3: To talk to you.

1164
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear the new chant album.

1165
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 3: Thank you very much.

1166
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 4: Yes, when it's done, I'll send it, send it over.

1167
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 4: Thanks guys, Okay.

1168
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 1: Bye, awesome, get under no come well, they're definitely not

1169
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: gonna that. You won't get sued for that because.

1170
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 2: I mean, let's just take a risk. The worst thing

1171
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:23,479
Speaker 2: they can do is you got to take it out,

1172
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, we gotta live on this.

1173
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 2: We're gonna live on the edge.

1174
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: That's true.

1175
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 3: Living only.

1176
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 1: Wrote that song, That's true. But can we you know

1177
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: he'd have to sue us? Love her great, fantastic. But

1178
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 1: you know I love about this show. What other than you?

1179
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: I love the most unexpected people that we've interviewed. I

1180
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 1: just where is the best time?

1181
01:01:58,280 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 2: I know?

1182
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: People are fucking great. People are great, and we you know,

1183
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 1: there's so much judgment. Remember when we interviewed Nickelback. Yeah,

1184
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 1: I mean, think about how much judgment went into Nickelback

1185
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: and how fun, how great they were now and nice

1186
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: and you know, fun to talk to. I just I mean,

1187
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: not that it's a you know, I'm just saying.

1188
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 2: That I wasn't that's not cool.

1189
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 1: That's not what I was saying. I was just saying

1190
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: that that when I don't have an expectation of how

1191
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to go into something, how people surprise you.

1192
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 2: I say ninety eight percent of the time we are

1193
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 2: surprised by the people who we don't quite know that well,

1194
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 2: you know, And then there's another two that's just fall flat.

1195
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 2: That's true, like Glenn Powell.

1196
01:02:50,800 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: We're definitely keeping running. We love you, Lannie of course,

1197
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: all right, that was awesome. Oh that was so great.

1198
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 1: Thank you, Leanne Rhymes. Bye bye,